Perhaps it is just me but all this discussion of rich versus poor that is done OUTSIDE the context of fixing the budget and possible tax changes bother me.

It seems there is an attempt to start friction for friction sake.

Now ACORN who is receiving millions and millions from the stimulus plan and who is under investigation for voter fraud, AND who has been selected by this administration to "help" with the census, and has openly called for liberal views and has admitted to being a grassroots organization of the current administration.......

Is conducting bus tours of AIG employee homes....a quote from one of the tour participants...

"Because the American taxpayer now owns 80 percent of AIG, they should have full access to anything and everything they own, including their country club memberships, their recreation facilities, their built-in swimming pools, but we'll do it on a schedule," he said.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/40...ml?source=mypi

And then will add this...a quote from Saul Alinsky in Rules for Radicals...

"Change means movement. Movement means friction. Only in the frictionless vacuum of a nonexistent abstract world can movement or change occur without that abrasive friction of conflict."

Thanks for posting, Bucco. Unfortunately, the news keeps getting worse and we aren't even at 100 days.

What a pathetic bunch. Give me give me give me. Well, I guess BO is their man.

This from the PEOPLES WEEKLY WORLD, the newspaper of the Communist Party of the USA....

"Pass the budget! Grassroots coalition demands action"


"Robert Borosage, co-chair of the Campaign for America’s Future and William McNary, president of USAction announced a grassroots campaign to pressure Blue Dog Democrats to vote for Obama’s budget. Eight of these Democrats joined with Republicans in opposing efforts to win passage of a Budget Resolution that included the $684 billion health care fund and tens of billions more for Obama’s green energy program. It requires only a simple majority of 51 senators to pass a Budget Resolution so it is not subject to a Republican filibuster that requires 60 senators’ votes to end.

Borosage accused Blue Dog Democrats led by Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) and Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) of “giving away the store.”

“If they feel a little heat at home they may see the light in Washington,” he said.

McNary said 50,000 members of USAction will mobilize in the Blue Dogs’ districts.

“The people voted for change last November,” he said. “We cannot allow senators to get cold feet or become unwitting accomplices of those who don’t want change.”

http://www.pww.org/article/view/14997

Originally Posted by Bucco

Perhaps it is just me but all this discussion of rich versus poor that is done OUTSIDE the context of fixing the budget and possible tax changes bother me.

It seems there is an attempt to start friction for friction sake.

Now ACORN who is receiving millions and millions from the stimulus plan and who is under investigation for voter fraud, AND who has been selected by this administration to "help" with the census, and has openly called for liberal views and has admitted to being a grassroots organization of the current administration.......

Is conducting bus tours of AIG employee homes....a quote from one of the tour participants...

"Because the American taxpayer now owns 80 percent of AIG, they should have full access to anything and everything they own, including their country club memberships, their recreation facilities, their built-in swimming pools, but we'll do it on a schedule," he said.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/40...ml?source=mypi

And then will add this...a quote from Saul Alinsky in Rules for Radicals...

"Change means movement. Movement means friction. Only in the frictionless vacuum of a nonexistent abstract world can movement or change occur without that abrasive friction of conflict."

Give it a rest....AIG shouldn't have given out the bonus money....and you are complaining about ACORN.

Will wonders never cease.

Originally Posted by cologal

Give it a rest....AIG shouldn't have given out the bonus money....and you are complaining about ACORN.

Will wonders never cease.

But, they did give out the bonus money and they had to. They had contracts and nobody absolved AIG from its contractual obligation.

Don't you believe we should uphold the law?

Don't you believe In the US Constitution?

It's ok to hate the rich but be careful. You may someday be considered rich by some people.


Yoda

Originally Posted by Yoda

But, they did give out the bonus money and they had to. They had contracts and nobody absolved AIG from its contractual obligation.

Don't you believe we should uphold the law?

Don't you believe In the US Constitution?

It's ok to hate the rich but be careful. You may someday be considered rich by some people.


Yoda

At least at my company the bonus payouts are tied to company performance. If the company doesn't make the performance gates then the bonus is reduced or canceled. Did AIG make the gates....Make me laugh!

They gave themselves a 100% bonus based on the previous year. The automakers have contracts with the autoworkers...did these blue collar workers have to give back pay and benefits? You bet! Seems to me, a lowly blue collar worker, a double standard is a foot. Why should the AIG contracts be honored but the UAW contracts. I await your answer.

Originally Posted by cologal

At least at my company the bonus payouts are tied to company performance. If the company doesn't make the performance gates then the bonus is reduced or canceled. Did AIG make the gates....Make me laugh!

They gave themselves a 100% bonus based on the previous year. The automakers have contracts with the autoworkers...did these blue collar workers have to give back pay and benefits? You bet! Seems to me, a lowly blue collar worker, a double standard is a foot. Why should the AIG contracts be honored but the UAW contracts. I await your answer.

First of all, these bonuses were retention bonuses. Many were working for $1. Put yourself in there place. Forget who the company or the amount of money for a moment. You work for a company that is in trouble. You naturally want to find another job. You are a valued employee and your leaving at this time would make it harder to recover but you have to think of your family. The company comes to you and asks, "Please work for 1 more year. We cannot pay you per week but if you stay for the year, we will pay you X." Would you expect to be paid if you agreed to stay and did stay the required time?

I have been in that position. I worked for a company that was acquiring other companies. In my opinion, I was a blue collar worker. I was a software developer, not management, not a wheel. My job was not guaranteed but they offered me a retention contract to get me to stay through the transition period. It was no way near the amount in question but it was in line with my wage. Should I have expected to get paid? To get paid regardless of any other agreements that the company entered it to after? The only way out of the contract would have been bankruptcy.

If AIG went into bankruptcy they may have gotten out of the contract but, they did not.

Do you want your contracts honored or not?

Originally Posted by cologal

Give it a rest....AIG shouldn't have given out the bonus money....and you are complaining about ACORN.

Will wonders never cease.

I am not quite sure how you took this thread as a defense of the AIG bonus's, however my assumption then must be that you are ok with the organized bus trips bythis organization who has a known agenda and the attitude about sharing.

In addition, as my thread says, I assume that you are just fine with the open and blantant irritating of the RICH VERSUS THE POOR attitude. Or creating friction as Alinsky put it !!

Oh and yes I am complaining about ACORN....receiving millions maybe billions of dollars from the US government, assisting in the census, arranging "field trips" to mock rich folks while under investigation in many states for voter fraud.

YES I am complaining about ACORN !

What disturbs me the most is that CBS, ABC and NBC aren't delving into what is going on. There heads are in the sand, they are looking the other way, they are still captured on the fabulous reteric that Obama does have. When they do mention these quirky ideas they 'skim' over a fact and move on. When in the world will the mainstream media get this and begin to speak up. It is hard for me to believe that ALL of the newscasters and reporters truly believe in their hearts what they are reporting. Everything that has been done the past 60+ days is extremely frigtening to me.

The mainstream media print/TV/etc all have so much vested in the new administration they CAN"T let it fail or get scarred.

Also Cologal......the payment of the AIG bonuses, was put into the Porkulous Bill that Congress only had 6 hours to reah 1000+ pages. It was inserted by Sen. Dodd (D-CN) at the request from.....because guess who was one of the biggest Donors for the past election??? Hmmmmmmm, do I actually have to tell you.........

Another tidbit you will not hear on the major mainstream outlets.

Army Guy

Originally Posted by Army Guy

The mainstream media print/TV/etc all have so much vested in the new administration they CAN"T let it fail or get scarred.

Also Cologal......the payment of the AIG bonuses, was put into the Porkulous Bill that Congress only had 6 hours to reah 1000+ pages. It was inserted by Sen. Dodd (D-CN) at the request from.....because guess who was one of the biggest Donors for the past election??? Hmmmmmmm, do I actually have to tell you.........

Another tidbit you will not hear on the major mainstream outlets.

Army Guy

I guess you won't hear it from the "main street media" outlets unless you actually listen to some of them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7110145&page=1

bimmer, yes you showed an article from the mainstream media addressing the donations, BUT where are the articles telling WHY it was put in the Bill by Congress?? The link has been left out...........

Army Guy

Originally Posted by Army Guy

The mainstream media print/TV/etc all have so much vested in the new administration they CAN"T let it fail or get scarred.

Also Cologal......the payment of the AIG bonuses, was put into the Porkulous Bill that Congress only had 6 hours to reah 1000+ pages. It was inserted by Sen. Dodd (D-CN) at the request from.....because guess who was one of the biggest Donors for the past election??? Hmmmmmmm, do I actually have to tell you.........

Another tidbit you will not hear on the major mainstream outlets.

Army Guy

Boy you are right on with this one. I also am against AIG getting the bonuses in the first place. It makes it even worse to tax them at 90% .
I would like to see Dodd and all the other fools investigated rather than AIG.
Yes I remember we have to pass the Porkulus bill ASAP before anyone gets a chance to read it.

Yoda officially registers his complaint of ACORN and its thug tactics. They will now doubt become the recruiters for the presidents Green Shirts.

Yoda

Am I paranoid? Yes.

Do I have good cause? Yes.

Yoda