Wikileaks

[jimbo2012]

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[jimbo2012]

WikiLeaks - The Podesta Emails (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26755#efmACqAF8)

[Rockyrd]

Asante is not the issue and never was.

The source of his info is the only issue.

Not political....it is a matter of national security this time.

[jimbo2012]

interesting and you support the HRC with a private server right?

[Rockyrd]

interesting and you support the HRC with a private server right?

Please explain the relationship between Asante and Clinton

[billethkid]

Please explain the relationship between Asante and Clinton

She does/has done the deed and the wrongs.

He reports and exposes it.

The media and the democrat "loyalists" support the no matter who no matter what candidate (as long as the are a democrat).

[Rockyrd]

She does/has done the deed and the wrongs.

He reports and exposes it.

The media and the democrat "loyalists" support the no matter who no matter what candidate (as long as the are a democrat).

I suppose you do understand that the current Wikileaks being used by Trump in his campaigning was a hack if the DNC, not Clinton.

Listen I am the polar opposite of a Clinton supporter, but you folks who totally ignore the corruption and absolute lies on the right, and ignore issues and simply lay everything on going after Clinton personally better get your facts straight on this.

How about some time a Trump supporter come on here and discuss his economic plans and taxes. Those are open for discussion, but then you would hear about the total and complete disavowing of those plans by virtually every economist in the country.

Or, you could discuss his foreign affair plans which indicate a plan to simply shut down our allies, dissolve our pacts (unless they pay) etc and of course the total and complete lack of support for those.

Or, you could discuss his plans for destroying ISIS and terrorism. Oops..he has none of those.

Or, you could discuss the trade throughout the world where he wants to renegotiate...of course before you start understand he alone cannot do that and his proposals will send prices and inflation through the roof.

Or, you could discuss how he brings the nation together, except for those he has insulted personally. Or work with congress who he single handily is handing to Dem control.

Or his immigration plans, where he falsely blames all the problems on immigrants.

Or you could discuss how he pays our debt which his proposals would simply send into orbit.

Lots of stuff, but keep in mind he will be busy in court...has that rape of a 13 year old coming up...those Trump U suits coming up and of course his suits against the 11(thus far) women claiming physical abuse.

Or, as it appears from reading on here, the ONLY issue he has is hate for Clinton..

Lots of choices...check Breitbart and see what Steve wants discussed but he ONLY discusses birth certicates and the like

[Rockyrd]

Or...and not sure how to couch this....Trump has blamed everyone he can for anything bad...even our current fight in Iraq against ISIS he says was inspired to protect Clinton....and SNL is also, as he says is in on the rigging thing.

Maybe a thread either to determine the last time he ever made an error or who is left he hasn't blamed everything on.

[billethkid]

I suppose you do understand that the current Wikileaks being used by Trump in his campaigning was a hack if the DNC, not Clinton.

Listen I am the polar opposite of a Clinton supporter, but you folks who totally ignore the corruption and absolute lies on the right, and ignore issues and simply lay everything on going after Clinton personally better get your facts straight on this.

How about some time a Trump supporter come on here and discuss his economic plans and taxes. Those are open for discussion, but then you would hear about the total and complete disavowing of those plans by virtually every economist in the country.

Or, you could discuss his foreign affair plans which indicate a plan to simply shut down our allies, dissolve our pacts (unless they pay) etc and of course the total and complete lack of support for those.

Or, you could discuss his plans for destroying ISIS and terrorism. Oops..he has none of those.

Or, you could discuss the trade throughout the world where he wants to renegotiate...of course before you start understand he alone cannot do that and his proposals will send prices and inflation through the roof.

Or, you could discuss how he brings the nation together, except for those he has insulted personally. Or work with congress who he single handily is handing to Dem control.

Or his immigration plans, where he falsely blames all the problems on immigrants.

Or you could discuss how he pays our debt which his proposals would simply send into orbit.

Lots of stuff, but keep in mind he will be busy in court...has that rape of a 13 year old coming up...those Trump U suits coming up and of course his suits against the 11(thus far) women claiming physical abuse.

Or, as it appears from reading on here, the ONLY issue he has is hate for Clinton..

Lots of choices...check Breitbart and see what Steve wants discussed but he ONLY discusses birth certicates and the like

Please be sure to supply like responses for Clinton's positions on all the above for a good comparison.

I think when posters demand going after Trump for whatever and completely ignoring Clinton's position or lack of one is some what degrading/ignoring of real perspectives. As well as tainting credibility.

[Mehlberg]

Are you serious. You must be listening Tony he propaganda media if you think Trump has not discussed these at a policy level which any leader knows is where you start. Don't recall any discussion on the left about ther ideas. As far as economics most economists are Dems. Here is what most non political types believe because the down economy has hit them directly. Top Economist Reveals THIS About Donald Trump's Plan, People Deserve to Know (http://www.angrypatriotmovement.com/top-economist-reveals/)

[joec3]

If it's on the Internet it must be true. If it is on wikileaks it must be gospel

[jimbo2012]

yes when not denied

[Rockyrd]

Are you serious. You must be listening Tony he propaganda media if you think Trump has not discussed these at a policy level which any leader knows is where you start. Don't recall any discussion on the left about ther ideas. As far as economics most economists are Dems. Here is what most non political types believe because the down economy has hit them directly. Top Economist Reveals THIS About Donald Trump's Plan, People Deserve to Know (http://www.angrypatriotmovement.com/top-economist-reveals/)

OK....let me begin by saying linking me to ANGRYPATRIOTMOVEMENT.COM sort of tells me a lot and validates my point made a few times about the use of extremist websites, but anyway......I did read it because I have enough respect for anyone to listen to their point of view.

He is first linked to your site from BRIETBART...which speaks volumes and speaks of Obamacare and continues the carping on Clinton continuing Obama policies. It does NOT detail or discuss any specific policies proposed by either candidate. Thus, I am not sure what you got from it but ...

So.....I choose a few economist sites that I KNOW are conservative.

The first comes from FISCAL TIMES...certainly conservative. They begin the linked article by citing two folks who like the plan a little, not a lot but a little and they offer their grade based on many "maybes" then they go on...

"As it turns out, the effects of Trump’s trade policies are expected to do most of the heavy lifting, adding an estimated $1.74 trillion in additional tax revenue to the US Treasury over the space of 10 years.

The problem is that when economists and international trade experts not affiliated with the Trump campaign started reading it, they were not impressed. “Nonsense,” an economist from the Tax Foundation called it. Another from the CATO Institute tweeted out the hashtag #WeAreAllDoomed. A conservative Canadian financial columnist warned a colleague not even to try reading it, saying, “you will poke your eyes out with hot spikes.”

Commentators took special exception to Navarro’s and Ross’s discussion of the nature of the country’s Gross Domestic Product and its relationship with the trade deficit.


They make this comment on his constant harping on trade....

"While Trump might have the authority to pull the US out of the WTO, he could not unilaterally change the country’s existing tariff laws. However, said Lincicome, US withdrawal “would permit every other trading partner in the world to unilaterally block US exports, unilaterally infringe on US intellectual property.”

You can read it yourself but its headline says it all...

"Conservative Economists Mock Trump Campaign’s Trade Proposals"

Conservative Economists Mock Trump Campaign’s Trade Proposals | The Fiscal Times (http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/09/26/Conservative-Economists-Mock-Trump-Campaign-s-Trade-Proposals)

Then on to the Wall St Journal...conservative for sure

"A new analysis concludes Donald Trump’s economic proposals, taken at face value, could produce a prolonged recession and heavy job losses that would fall hardest on low- and middle-income workers."

That is how it starts and downhill from there....

U.S. Economy Would Be ‘Diminished’ Under Trump’s Economic Plan, New Analysis Says - Real Time Economics - WSJ (http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/06/20/u-s-economy-would-be-diminished-under-trumps-economic-plan-new-analysis-says/)

The ECONOMIST....

"Donald Trump’s sums do not add up"

What plan?: Donald Trump’s sums do not add up | The Economist (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/08/what-plan)

THUS please do not try and ridicule me on what I read. I read a lot and every day. Trumps plans do change almost daily so you need to stay up on them.

He is speaking in nothing but platitudes to you and his followers.

I choke, as a W Penna guy when I hear how he will save the coal mines and bring back steel production. And none of you question him how in the world he can possible even get close to making something like that happen...IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

[Rockyrd]

Please be sure to supply like responses for Clinton's positions on all the above for a good comparison.

I think when posters demand going after Trump for whatever and completely ignoring Clinton's position or lack of one is some what degrading/ignoring of real perspectives. As well as tainting credibility.

I, in fact do those comparisons....a few for you...

"WASHINGTON — The stark choice that Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump pose for voters goes as well for their revised tax plans: Mr. Trump would simplify the tax code but cut taxes mainly for the rich and add trillions of dollars to the federal debt, while Mrs. Clinton would do the opposite, an independent analysis released Tuesday concluded.

The review by the Tax Policy Center, a joint research arm of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, is the first to examine the plans since Mr. Trump significantly rewrote his proposal after criticisms of its costs and inequities and Mrs. Clinton on Monday proposed to double the existing tax break for parents with young children.

“They really couldn’t be more different,” Len Burman, director of the center and a professor at Syracuse University, said in a conference call with reporters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

FORTUNE MAGAZINE did this comparison and said...

"Donald Trump's Tax Plan Could Cost the U.S. 11 Million Jobs"

So this might get you started. Both do in depth comparison of what they propose

[Rockyrd]

Please be sure to supply like responses for Clinton's positions on all the above for a good comparison.

I think when posters demand going after Trump for whatever and completely ignoring Clinton's position or lack of one is some what degrading/ignoring of real perspectives. As well as tainting credibility.

I do not ignore. I read and have read.

I have posted on both of them and each time simply get snarky anever really discuss the actual issue.

Believe me, I have done my due diligence on both, and think Trump is insane and agree with his ghost writer...

"If Trump is elected President, he warned, “the millions of people who voted for him and believe that he represents their interests will learn what anyone who deals closely with him already knows—that he couldn’t care less about them.” ♦

[tomwed]

I do not ignore. I read and have read.

I have posted on both of them and each time simply get snarky anever really discuss the actual issue.

Believe me, I have done my due diligence on both, and think Trump is insane and agree with his ghost writer...

"If Trump is elected President, he warned, “the millions of people who voted for him and believe that he represents their interests will learn what anyone who deals closely with him already knows—that he couldn’t care less about them.” ♦Consider his friends over the years. You can google it. It's not people like you or me. I see him looking down his nose on us.

[Rockyrd]

Consider his friends over the years. You can google it. It's not people like you or me. I see him looking down his nose on us.

When this whole story started, I really gave this guy the benefit. I did not like him but that is certainly not a prevrequisite.

I watched in horror as he waltzed through the primary season, using his great talent with the media, and taking advantage of what he was doing but using the media (same one he now wants to shut down).

I read everything I could about him...I read all about his business, his associations and without details, although anyone who wants to discuss I will be glad to supply detailed links.

Suffice to say you are correct, he has very few friends.

He is simply stated a punk liar. This episode in history has me more alarmed than any I recal.

If a person with ZERO values or principles, who does not even understand the country and how it has worked for over 200 years can become a candidate by yelling platitudes at angry scared people, what that means is terrifying.

He now has Steve Bannin the master of conspiracy theories and partial distorted facts supplying him the hate language.

This is truely a scary scary man, and I do in fact feel sorry for his followers. He is concerned, and always has been ONLY with Donald Trump.

Just read here. NOBODY is FOR Trump. They are anti Clinton, and he is feeding such tripe and impossible things, I truely worry what the future holds because of him.

If he wins, our country is toast.

If he loses, millions will be left abandoned by him and more angry and frustrated than before. Whatever chance of this country pulling together is gone.

You can blame Obama all you want, as I have, but we now have a "pied piper" for hate, unfettered labeling of all of us and empathy for nobody.

[Rockyrd]

He is so good at the con.

NOTHING IS his fault.

Everything not favorable to HIM is rigged

Everything favorable is because of HIM (not limited recently to our fight with ISIS)

Anything or anyone is labeled. You are a race designation, a heritage label, stupid or whatever HE decides.

He has during this campaign mocked disabled, a POW BECAUSE he was captured, a gold star family, and so many others.

He has cut off the press and tries to intimidate them with threats and then USES his followers to attack them.

He never makes a mistake. Called to his attention makes you a liar.

His "plans" are absurd and mocked by those who understand.

His followers are buying what he tells them about what he can do, and THEY are the nes who will suffer.

[Rockyrd]

Part of his game.....

This news broke at approx 7:14 PM



Iraqi forces have raised the national flag over a church in a town near Mosul retaken from the Islamic State group.

IS militants had sprayed graffiti on the walls of the church, and the floors were littered with dirt and garbage. The extremists had also marked several homes along the main road of Bartella with the first Arabic letter in a derogatory word for Christians, their way of marking Christian property. Under IS rule, Christians are forced to convert to Islam or pay a special tax.

Iraqi special forces pushed into the traditionally Christian town of Bartella, around 15 kilometers (nine miles) from Mosul, on Thursday. The assault is part of a wide-scale offensive to retake Mosul, Iraq's second largest city, which fell to IS in 2014.

Iraqi soldiers rang the church bell in Bartella on Friday and congratulated Christians.

Lt. Gen. Talib Shaghati said "Bartella was liberated yesterday, and today we are inside its church. I bring the good news to our Christian brothers that the church is liberated."

The Latest: Iraqis Raise Flag Over Church in Town Near Mosul - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-militants-attack-police-iraqs-kirkuk-42958715)

Trump tweet at 7:40 PM


"The attack on Mosul is turning out to be a total disaster. We gave them months of notice. U.S. is looking so dumb. VOTE TRUMP and WIN AGAIN!"

[Rockyrd]

Just wondering if any of the Trump supporters are ready to discuss the Trump financial proposals ?

As you like to say...he is a great business man and will get the coal mining back....the steel workers back to work, etc.

I am trying to discuss issues instead of simply character assassination (although so much on Trump)...I think the issues are the most important.

We have the comparison of proposals and such here and if you wish we can talk about any other issue facing our country.

[Rockyrd]

Is this an issue we can talk about or must we endure the extremist links and little cute cartoons...

"Donald Trump on Sunday evening made a bold accusation: That the effort to retake Mosul from the Islamic State is actually an effort to influence the 2016 election -- to help Hillary Clinton.

Trump said something similar at Wednesday night's debate in Las Vegas, though it was overshadowed:

Over at WorldViews, Ishaan Tharoor dissected the practical problems with this argument -- including the fact that the Mosul offensive has been in the works for more than a year, long before Clinton won the Democratic nomination. And then there's the fact that Trump is making an audacious argument about the use of military force for cynical, political purposes while offering no evidence to back it up.

Trump’s brazen claim about Obama using Mosul to help Hillary Clinton makes no sense - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/24/trumps-brazen-claim-about-obama-using-mosul-to-help-hillary-clinton-makes-no-sense/?tid=sm_tw)

[MDLNB]

Is this an issue we can talk about or must we endure the extremist links and little cute cartoons...

"Donald Trump on Sunday evening made a bold accusation: That the effort to retake Mosul from the Islamic State is actually an effort to influence the 2016 election -- to help Hillary Clinton.

Trump said something similar at Wednesday night's debate in Las Vegas, though it was overshadowed:

Over at WorldViews, Ishaan Tharoor dissected the practical problems with this argument -- including the fact that the Mosul offensive has been in the works for more than a year, long before Clinton won the Democratic nomination. And then there's the fact that Trump is making an audacious argument about the use of military force for cynical, political purposes while offering no evidence to back it up.

Trump’s brazen claim about Obama using Mosul to help Hillary Clinton makes no sense - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/24/trumps-brazen-claim-about-obama-using-mosul-to-help-hillary-clinton-makes-no-sense/?tid=sm_tw)

Let's see, Washington Post???? Okkkk, why not quote from Huffington Post? Both are well balanced.........NOT!

Trump made a statement. I gave the idea a thought well before he suggested it. Liberals are in denial and need a liberal news source to back them up. Who would have figured?

[Rockyrd]

Let's see, Washington Post???? Okkkk, why not quote from Huffington Post? Both are well balanced.........NOT!

Trump made a statement. I gave the idea a thought well before he suggested it. Liberals are in denial and need a liberal news source to back them up. Who would have figured?

Quite an accusation.....we send troops into harms way to help a candidate win an election.

And to make that publicaly with ZERO to be said to back it up is simply IRRESPONSIBLE and reckless.

If you accept that I am betting you are a daily reader of the Breitbart site

[Rockyrd]

Let's see, Washington Post???? Okkkk, why not quote from Huffington Post? Both are well balanced.........NOT!

Trump made a statement. I gave the idea a thought well before he suggested it. Liberals are in denial and need a liberal news source to back them up. Who would have figured?

I am curious what news site you use to get information ????

Serious question

[MDLNB]

Quite an accusation.....we send troops into harms way to help a candidate win an election.

And to make that publicaly with ZERO to be said to back it up is simply IRRESPONSIBLE and reckless.

If you accept that I am betting you are a daily reader of the Breitbart site

Never been to the Breitbart site. I probably should, but it seems a bit radical to me, from what I have heard of it. I may be wrong. I have perused the Huffington site before, mostly by accident, or linked to it. Didn't care for it.

[Rockyrd]

Never been to the Breitbart site. I probably should, but it seems a bit radical to me, from what I have heard of it. I may be wrong. I have perused the Huffington site before, mostly by accident, or linked to it. Didn't care for it.

I simply commented that your accusation, or support of one, accusing our country of fighting terrorists simply to aid one candidacy was alarming.

I also simply asked what website you use for news because it is, or was front page on Breitbart. If I offended you I am sorry, but was startled that any thinking American could support that accusation.

[MDLNB]

I am curious what news site you use to get information ????

Serious question

In the morning, I start out with ABC, NBC, CW and CBS. After all that, I usually go to FOX for a while, sometimes Headline News and sometimes CNN. On the Internet, I get mostly liberal news feeds. By email, I get Newsmax, Rasmussen, the other Villages source that they censured on here, Guns and Ammo, Cheaper than Dirt, Conservative Daily and the Independent Journal Review. I get a lot of other junk email that also keeps me up to date with a lot of political garbage. Probably, a hundred times more than liberals bother to consider, because it is obvious that their level of being informed is not overly generous.

A little side note: When I was in Baghdad, I usually streamed live CNN so I could watch outside Sadaam's palace as we got shelled almost daily. That was back in 2003. It was nice having a different perspective on our situation. Sorry, I digressed.

[MDLNB]

I simply commented that your accusation, or support of one, accusing our country of fighting terrorists simply to aid one candidacy was alarming.

I also simply asked what website you use for news because it is, or was front page on Breitbart. If I offended you I am sorry, but was startled that any thinking American could support that accusation.

Not offended at all. Political discussions get heated. I take that for granted and do not take it personal.

Believe me when I say that I do not put anything past a politician, including pushing war if it helps the furtherance of their party. I have been around the gov, military and intelligence communities enough to know that some devious stuff goes on. I am sure you have heard of how those above do body counts. And I am sure you have heard how the pentagon pads their White House briefings. It really does go on, and I have seen it. So, I would not put it past a convenient military push to make this administration look better to the gov. After all, Hillary and Obama were involved in illegal arms sales that eventually went to ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood. And that was against the UN arms sales ban.

[Rockyrd]

Not offended at all. Political discussions get heated. I take that for granted and do not take it personal.

Believe me when I say that I do not put anything past a politician, including pushing war if it helps the furtherance of their party. I have been around the gov, military and intelligence communities enough to know that some devious stuff goes on. I am sure you have heard of how those above do body counts. And I am sure you have heard how the pentagon pads their White House briefings. It really does go on, and I have seen it. So, I would not put it past a convenient military push to make this administration look better to the gov. After all, Hillary and Obama were involved in illegal arms sales that eventually went to ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood. And that was against the UN arms sales ban.

Only thing I can say is WOW....You actually believe this stuff and how we coerced all these countries to join us in planning fighting terrorism a year ago, before we even knew candidates to insure votes and then have one make that charge about his OWN country with absolutely no credence given.

Then in the same remarks tell the world how we are losing less than one hour after our allies were announcing taking back villages and freeing christians.

Just the type of character we need in the WH.

Whose side is he on ??

[Rockyrd]

well they endorsed him strongly, ISIS did so no surprise


"Donald Trump, who’s never met a conspiracy theory he didn’t like, suggested in Wednesday night’s presidential debate that the US-backed Iraqi military offensive to take back the city of Mosul from ISIS, which officially launched on Monday, was strategically timed by President Barack Obama to help Hillary Clinton win the presidential election.

"The only reason they did it is because she's running for office of president and they want to look tough," Trump said. "They want to look good. He violated the red line in the sand, and he made so many mistakes. He made all mistakes. That's why we have the great migration, but she wanted to look good for the election."

ISIS apparently agrees with Trump — or at least agrees that this a useful conspiracy theory to promote. Charlie Winter, a senior researcher at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence reports that the groups claims in a new editorial in its weekly Arabic-language newspaper, Naba, that the Mosul operation was “prompted by ‘necessities of presidential election in US’ and ‘economic problems’ faced by [the governments in] Baghdad/Erbil [the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan].”

Indeed, even the slightest suggestion that the US might be trying to call the shots on when to launch operations has caused major friction between the Americans and Iraqis. As my colleague Yochi Dreazen and I have previously written, an unnamed officer from US Central Command, which oversees the war against ISIS, told reporters back in February 2015 that the offensive to retake Mosul would begin that April or May and include up to 25,000 Iraqi and Kurdish security forces.

When Iraqi officials found out, they were livid. Iraqi Defense Minister Khaled al-Obeidi said at the time that Baghdad, not Washington, would decide when the assault began. "A military official should not reveal the timing of the offensive," Obeidi said.

Donald Trump and ISIS are pushing the same weird conspiracy theory - Vox (http://www.vox.com/world/2016/10/20/13347692/donald-trump-isis-conspiracy-theory-mosul-iraq)

[graciegirl]

I am curious what news site you use to get information ????

Serious question

THAT is very difficult to answer. Sometimes you get fairness from USA Today. Sometimes. AND sometimes you get fairness from The New York Times, sometimes. But NBC and CNN get to be further and further biased toward the left and Fox News is very near center, which is just fine with me.

[Rockyrd]

THAT is very difficult to answer. Sometimes you get fairness from USA Today. Sometimes. AND sometimes you get fairness from The New York Times, sometimes. But NBC and CNN get to be further and further biased toward the left and Fox News is very near center, which is just fine with me.

Your post confuses me.

How does a newspaper like The NY Times in reporting facts be unfait.

It's funny that the complaints about the HE media we hear each day, NOBODY contests mis reporting of facts that evervsaw IN THE PRINT MEDIA.

Cable news has a bias for sure because THEY DO NOT REPORT NEWS PER SE. Certain show may, but the are not set up to report in the traditional sense. If you go to a cable channel for your NEWS, you will not find it.

Your comment on Fox caused me to spit my coffee out. That shows that you are clueless about news, and simply like how Hannity etc lead you, but news...no way.

[MDLNB]

Your post confuses me.

How does a newspaper like The NY Times in reporting facts be unfait.

It's funny that the complaints about the HE media we hear each day, NOBODY contests mis reporting of facts that evervsaw IN THE PRINT MEDIA.

Cable news has a bias for sure because THEY DO NOT REPORT NEWS PER SE. Certain show may, but the are not set up to report in the traditional sense. If you go to a cable channel for your NEWS, you will not find it.

Your comment on Fox caused me to spit my coffee out. That shows that you are clueless about news, and simply like how Hannity etc lead you, but news...no way.

You don't watch FOX, obviously.

[jimbo2012]

obviously..........for sure

rather stay in the dark like a mushroom

[Chi-Town]

You don't watch FOX, obviously.
The statement that Fox Is near center made me laugh.


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[MDLNB]

The statement that Fox Is near center made me laugh.


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During this election cycle, I would have to agree that they are near center.

The NEWS portion is fairly neutral.

The commentary has shown about half or more against Trump, which suggests either middle or left. A couple of commentators such as Hannity are pro-Trump. Eric Bolling is more Anti-Hillary than pro-Trump. Generally, the commentary staff leans conservative. Add up all the differences, it makes FOX middle to middle right.

But, their NEWs comes mostly from the AP so it's not right or left.

[rubicon]

Overall our political system is corrupt. Journalist are in name only lacking integrity, honesty and frankly good investigative skills. They do not report the news they create it and they have allowed their biases to cloud their judgment. This is akin to the Supreme Court. All of this is a failing and it has created chaos lack of civility and sound judgment. And I am also disenchanted by both parties

So what is a voter suppose to do. In my view separate as best you can fact from fiction. For instance it is common knowledge among professionals that a person needing emergency room care is more likely to tell the entire story/truth. It is also likely that the same reported behaviors said about someone by different people over an extended period of time is also likely . The Wikileaks reports seem very likely because you have people communicating with one another under the impression that they are communicating privately...but they are not. Its like the people who gossip sotto voce behind cubicles believing the walls of the cubicle shield their voices . Both examples point to truth telling.

then we usually assign value to what is being reported/said about someone.

In my view given a comparison between presidential candidates Trump is the better choice of two bad picks. Trump will indeed shake Washington up and the corrupt Establishment needs to be outed. Its going to be a bit painful but America cannot continue with the status quo because American voters/taxpayers are being ignored and taken for granted . I would have preferred a Romney run again but this is how voters chose in the primary

Its clear a Hillary presidency will continue to internationalize and socialize this nation meaning we will end up looking like the European Union with its open borders extremely high taxes weak military populist Supreme Court that will marginalize our Constitution . The progressive agenda is very damaging and costly Obama Administration has given us a good preview and nowhere by any measure did he succeed. Hillary is as corruptas Dilma Rousleff, ex-president of Brazil. So to present to the world such a corrupt president is immoral and telling the world America's best days are behind them

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

Overall our political system is corrupt. Journalist are in name only lacking integrity, honesty and frankly good investigative skills. They do not report the news they create it and they have allowed their biases to cloud their judgment. This is akin to the Supreme Court. All of this is a failing and it has created chaos lack of civility and sound judgment. And I am also disenchanted by both parties

So what is a voter suppose to do. In my view separate as best you can fact from fiction. For instance it is common knowledge among professionals that a person needing emergency room care is more likely to tell the entire story/truth. It is also likely that the same reported behaviors said about someone by different people over an extended period of time is also likely . The Wikileaks reports seem very likely because you have people communicating with one another under the impression that they are communicating privately...but they are not. Its like the people who gossip sotto voce behind cubicles believing the walls of the cubicle shield their voices . Both examples point to truth telling.

then we usually assign value to what is being reported/said about someone.

In my view given a comparison between presidential candidates Trump is the better choice of two bad picks. Trump will indeed shake Washington up and the corrupt Establishment needs to be outed. Its going to be a bit painful but America cannot continue with the status quo because American voters/taxpayers are being ignored and taken for granted . I would have preferred a Romney run again but this is how voters chose in the primary

Its clear a Hillary presidency will continue to internationalize and socialize this nation meaning we will end up looking like the European Union with its open borders extremely high taxes weak military populist Supreme Court that will marginalize our Constitution . The progressive agenda is very damaging and costly Obama Administration has given us a good preview and nowhere by any measure did he succeed. Hillary is as corruptas Dilma Rousleff, ex-president of Brazil. So to present to the world such a corrupt president is immoral and telling the world America's best days are behind them

Personal Best Regards:

The judgement you pass is interesting.

Wonder what he conversation might be if there was a hack of Trumps communication. Would you not love to hear Steve Bannon, etal come up with theories, excuses for not giving taxes and such.

I, for my ne, would love to know if the multitude of lies and mistruths were made up in Trump Towers or are they actually that stupid.

You are right...a Trump presidency would be something. Listening to our President call any and every ally names and insulting openly our foes. Remember the day when a hot mic picking up our President saying something negative about another country. Hell, now we can hear various name calling publicly.

Interesting, or embarrassing and frightful.

Internally, listening to members of congress tell the WH that they can't do that...how long before our President says...constitution, what damn constitution

And that corrupt and rigged media will have their credentials pulled as they try to report what is happening., especially when the stories about who and why Wikileaks actually occurred.

Clinton is corrupt, no doubt. But as I envision a Trump Presidency, I shudder. Hell, when I think oh him losing, I see serious problems.

So proud to be an American.

Those of you who say we are a third world country pegged it.

We are a country of bigotry, hate, and in your premise one with no allies and a ton of enemies.

[Allegiance]

The wikileaks reveal crimes and corruption much greater than Watergate.


Now please close your eyes and truly imagine, if these found emails reveal so much...

- what are in the emails not found or bleachbit?

- some of the wiki emails ended in a recommendation to continue the discussion in a phone call, imagine what corruption took place in the phone calls?

- imagine the crimes planned with a whisper?

- imagine the corruption and crimes started with a wink and a nod...!


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[jimbo2012]

Wikileaks said he's going to release something very close to the election.

Wherein Clinton won't have time to defend it.

The plot thickens,

polls (if you can believe them) are getting tighter.

For the past two weeks the emails show the corruption was staggering, can't understand why anyone ant an even more corrupt WH :pray:

For now ObamaCare is giving Trump a lot leverage and he's using it.


Drain the Swamp

[maureenod]

Wikileaks said he's going to release something very close to the election.

Wherein Clinton won't have time to defend it.

The plot thickens,

polls (if you can believe them) are getting tighter.

For the past two weeks the emails show the corruption was staggering, can't understand why anyone ant an even more corrupt WH :pray:

For now ObamaCare is giving Trump a lot leverage and he's using it.


Drain the Swamp

Wonder why Kellyann Conways email are not being hacked? Also, what is Trumps health plan? I'm sure it will be called Trumpcare for sure. He is the swamp!

[ufnumber1]

Yeah, no body cares about wikileaks except Republicans who are fearful of Trump losing

[Rockyrd]

Wikileaks said he's going to release something very close to the election.

Wherein Clinton won't have time to defend it.

The plot thickens,

polls (if you can believe them) are getting tighter.

For the past two weeks the emails show the corruption was staggering, can't understand why anyone ant an even more corrupt WH :pray:

For now ObamaCare is giving Trump a lot leverage and he's using it.


Drain the Swamp

The Steve Bannon/Donald Trump conspiracy group. Based on nothing but playing on fear

No matter the results, I have changed my registration from Republican to Independent.

It is quite embarassing to be a Republican today, and actually even an American.

[Rockyrd]

Wonder why Kellyann Conways email are not being hacked? Also, what is Trumps health plan? I'm sure it will be called Trumpcare for sure. He is the swamp!

Trumps has NO alternate plan, except to erase those lines as he said..

No plan and he does not care nor do his supporters

[MDLNB]

Yeah, no body cares about wikileaks except Republicans who are fearful of Trump losing

You have it all wrong. We are afraid of Hillary winning. Or, should I say SOROS winning? WE have enough corruption in the gov now, without adding more criminals to the pot. And the Clintons are way up on the criminal food chain.

[MDLNB]

Trumps has NO alternate plan, except to erase those lines as he said..

No plan and he does not care nor do his supporters

Wow, are you naive. Perhaps if you watched or listened to something other than Soros owned liberal media, you would know Trump's plans. He has been laying them out for even people as brain dead as you to understand. You libtards brag about your education, but you sure can't prove you have any brains.

[MDLNB]

The Steve Bannon/Donald Trump conspiracy group. Based on nothing but playing on fear

No matter the results, I have changed my registration from Republican to Independent.

It is quite embarassing to be a Republican today, and actually even an American.

Don't worry, no one will mistake you for an AMERICAN.

[Rockyrd]

Wow, are you naive. Perhaps if you watched or listened to something other than Soros owned liberal media, you would know Trump's plans. He has been laying them out for even people as brain dead as you to understand. You libtards brag about your education, but you sure can't prove you have any brains.

Actually he has laid out THREE VERY DIFFERNET plans in the last 12 months, so you are correct he has been laying out plans.

He began a year ago with a government run single payer plan, THEN he change it to support Obama's individual mandate, and now he is supporting a market based reform

So, the question is which plan that has supported in the last 12 months is it?

I read somewhere that he is now,over 100 position changes in the last year. Not sure of that number, but he changes position with the wind and the latest conspiracy theory

[Rockyrd]

Don't worry, no one will mistake you for an AMERICAN.

A couple different ways to respond to your wisea$$ remark.

Could tell you a bit of my blood has been spilled on two different continents FOR America, but you don't care.

Could reply with a wisea$$ crack back, but that is not something I enjoy. Like or respect.

Thus will simply reply in how I feel. Donald Trump has no morals. I know that means nothing to you at all, but a man with a total lack of morals will not EVER do the right thing. Rather than easily make my point with a history lesson of actual real events that make that point, will simply say you really should get your candidate.

Speaking of vetting. There are a number of reasons why he would not allow his own staff to vet him, and why he will not allow his tax returns be released. Trump is the single biggest mystery ever on the ballot.

I certainly can understand being anti Clinton.

There is NO WAY and NO REASON at all to support Trump.

If you read anything and know anything, you are well aware that what he proposes economically on jobs etc. is a fantasy. Every economist just about in our country has said exactly that, IF YOU READ rather than simply listen to his jabber.

You accused me of being non American. Of course I resent that but have learned a lot on this forum this election cycle from folks like you.

I used to think our country was made up of reasonable, intelligent folks. I have learned from listening to Trump that we are actually a bunch of lazy, excuse heavy people. We judge by skin, ethnicity, nationality and religion.....all the opposite of what MY America was based on. His campaign and his followers depend on one thing...HATE. In whatever form it might take.

Again, I do understand, and from your post much better than you do or ever will, being anti Clinton. But supporting a man who has shown his entire life to be totally lacking in morals or even sane judgement to me is very un American.

Being conflicted or speaking of how we need measures to insure someone who ACTUALLY HAS SHOWN HIS INSANNESS can never have any kind of power is understandable. But to actually support such a person is well beyond my comprehension. To support someone whose entire campaign is hate and insinuation of violence tears at my soul frankly.

I voted and skipped the Presidential race and voted only the few down ballot items.

I am a good American fellow poster. Your quick judgement of me based on my non support of this person tells me all I need to know about you.

My fear of Bannon and his ilk is justified and perhaps you just need to have this thing backfire in your face to get it.

The Trump and Bannon history is there....you just have to read it

[Rockyrd]

This, if true, is done by a true American ?


"A senior adviser to Donald Trump's presidential campaign says the GOP nominee's operation has three "voter suppression" drives intended to lower the vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton and provide a path to victory for Trump.

The three efforts are mentioned by the senior adviser in an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek."

Trump aide reveals 'three major voter suppression operations' | TheHill (https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303034-trump-aide-we-have-three-major-voter-suppression)

[MDLNB]

A couple different ways to respond to your wisea$$ remark.

Could tell you a bit of my blood has been spilled on two different continents FOR America, but you don't care.

Could reply with a wisea$$ crack back, but that is not something I enjoy. Like or respect.

Thus will simply reply in how I feel. Donald Trump has no morals. I know that means nothing to you at all, but a man with a total lack of morals will not EVER do the right thing. Rather than easily make my point with a history lesson of actual real events that make that point, will simply say you really should get your candidate.

Speaking of vetting. There are a number of reasons why he would not allow his own staff to vet him, and why he will not allow his tax returns be released. Trump is the single biggest mystery ever on the ballot.

I certainly can understand being anti Clinton.

There is NO WAY and NO REASON at all to support Trump.

If you read anything and know anything, you are well aware that what he proposes economically on jobs etc. is a fantasy. Every economist just about in our country has said exactly that, IF YOU READ rather than simply listen to his jabber.

You accused me of being non American. Of course I resent that but have learned a lot on this forum this election cycle from folks like you.

I used to think our country was made up of reasonable, intelligent folks. I have learned from listening to Trump that we are actually a bunch of lazy, excuse heavy people. We judge by skin, ethnicity, nationality and religion.....all the opposite of what MY America was based on. His campaign and his followers depend on one thing...HATE. In whatever form it might take.

Again, I do understand, and from your post much better than you do or ever will, being anti Clinton. But supporting a man who has shown his entire life to be totally lacking in morals or even sane judgement to me is very un American.

Being conflicted or speaking of how we need measures to insure someone who ACTUALLY HAS SHOWN HIS INSANNESS can never have any kind of power is understandable. But to actually support such a person is well beyond my comprehension. To support someone whose entire campaign is hate and insinuation of violence tears at my soul frankly.

I voted and skipped the Presidential race and voted only the few down ballot items.

I am a good American fellow poster. Your quick judgement of me based on my non support of this person tells me all I need to know about you.

My fear of Bannon and his ilk is justified and perhaps you just need to have this thing backfire in your face to get it.

The Trump and Bannon history is there....you just have to read it

Well jackleg, it was you that said you were embarrassed to be an American. You own that comment. And really? Do you really think you are the ONLY American that has lost blood for his country?

Tell me who you think you are going to vote for if NOT Trump? The traitor, Hillary? The criminal, Hillary? The pathological liar, Hillary?

Let me know when you find the perfect presidential candidate. That also has to be one that can get elected.

When you say you are embarrassed to be an American, one of MY fellow Americans, then be prepared to defend your comment. I am not going to apologize for setting you straight. From one Vet to another.

[Rockyrd]

Trump will be busy as the months wear on....

"A woman’s lawsuit alleging Donald Trump raped her when she was 13 will soon get a hearing before a judge — but not until after the presidential election.

Manhattan Federal Judge Ronnie Abrams has scheduled a hearing for Dec. 16."


Lawsuit accusing Trump of raping girl, 13, gets December hearing - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lawsuit-accusing-trump-raping-girl-13-december-hearing-article-1.2828413)

"We may need a new definition of “chutzpah.”

Donald Trump targeted federal Judge Gonzalo P. Curiel in an an extended series of bigoted rants this summer, asserting that Curiel couldn’t rule fairly in cases alleging fraud by Trump University because of the judge’s Mexican heritage. “I’m building a wall,” Trump explained at one point to CNN’s Jake Tapper.

Now that the case is heading toward trial, Trump is asking the same judge to exclude those comments from evidence in the case. In a motion filed Thursday in San Diego federal court, his attorneys maintain that his own comments are “extraneous” and would be “irrelevant, and prejudicial.” Remarkably, they say that the plaintiffs in the case, who include students claiming they were ripped off by the so-called university, will use those statements “in an attempt to inflame and prejudice the jury.” Judge Curiel has set a hearing on the motion for Nov. 10, two days after election day. Trial is set to begin Nov. 28."

Trump asks to exclude his comments about the Trump University judge from the Trump University trial - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-university-20161021-snap-story.html)


IN ADDITION, he will be suing the 11 additional women who made accusations thus far against him, and they will be interesting because it will give those gals a day in court with him.

[jimbo2012]

Vote Clinton, Obama care is the best thing since sliced bread,

Love it when rates go up 25-120 percent.

Stick you head in sand if you're afraid of real changes and like corruption. World War III

Broaden your choices of news networks

[jimbo2012]

Trump will be busy as the months wear on....

"A woman’s lawsuit alleging Donald Trump raped her when she was 13 will soon get a hearing before a judge — but not until after the presidential election.

Manhattan Federal Judge Ronnie Abrams has scheduled a hearing for Dec. 16."


Lawsuit accusing Trump of raping girl, 13, gets December hearing - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lawsuit-accusing-trump-raping-girl-13-december-hearing-article-1.2828413)

"We may need a new definition of “chutzpah.”

Donald Trump targeted federal Judge Gonzalo P. Curiel in an an extended series of bigoted rants this summer, asserting that Curiel couldn’t rule fairly in cases alleging fraud by Trump University because of the judge’s Mexican heritage. “I’m building a wall,” Trump explained at one point to CNN’s Jake Tapper.

Now that the case is heading toward trial, Trump is asking the same judge to exclude those comments from evidence in the case. In a motion filed Thursday in San Diego federal court, his attorneys maintain that his own comments are “extraneous” and would be “irrelevant, and prejudicial.” Remarkably, they say that the plaintiffs in the case, who include students claiming they were ripped off by the so-called university, will use those statements “in an attempt to inflame and prejudice the jury.” Judge Curiel has set a hearing on the motion for Nov. 10, two days after election day. Trial is set to begin Nov. 28."

Trump asks to exclude his comments about the Trump University judge from the Trump University trial - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-university-20161021-snap-story.html)


IN ADDITION, he will be suing the 11 additional women who made accusations thus far against him, and they will be interesting because it will give those gals a day in court with him.

old news, no one cares about that now.

Lets talk about wikileaks

[Rockyrd]

Well jackleg, it was you that said you were embarrassed to be an American. You own that comment. And really? Do you really think you are the ONLY American that has lost blood for his country?

Tell me who you think you are going to vote for if NOT Trump? The traitor, Hillary? The criminal, Hillary? The pathological liar, Hillary?

Let me know when you find the perfect presidential candidate. That also has to be one that can get elected.

When you say you are embarrassed to be an American, one of MY fellow Americans, then be prepared to defend your comment. I am not going to apologize for setting you straight. From one Vet to another.

Not sure I know or want to know what a "jackleg" is but I owe you zippo and I take ownership for sure....I am very embarassed

I told you why and also included how I voted. You selective read the post and I suppose that is to be expected. I had a disclosure on that ref Clinton but the hate message that you are delivering I suppose takes precedence over reading.

I am extremely embarassed at the choices we have, and we are th laughing stock of the world not for the reasons that you jump on but because this can happen.

You set me straight on nothing whatsoever.

They are correct in the thread on the main board. This place is a cesspool of hate

[MDLNB]

Not sure I know or want to know what a "jackleg" is but I owe you zippo and I take ownership for sure....I am very embarassed

I told you why and also included how I voted. You selective read the post and I suppose that is to be expected. I had a disclosure on that ref Clinton but the hate message that you are delivering I suppose takes precedence over reading.

I am extremely embarassed at the choices we have, and we are th laughing stock of the world not for the reasons that you jump on but because this can happen.

You set me straight on nothing whatsoever.

They are correct in the thread on the main board. This place is a cesspool of hate

Jackleg is a term of affection.. :)

As for the "hate" thing you liberals enjoy throwing about, the only hate is what you spew. I have no hate whatsoever. And if you are crying about the comments on here that do not make you all warm and fuzzy, try to remember that you are in a political forum. Civil discourse is not mandatory or warranted.

The only folks on here the weep over their perceived "hate" speak is the liberals that can dish it out but cry foul when it is returned to them.

If you are embarrassed about your own country, then try being a solution rather than the affliction. I'm proud of my country, but I can be very disenchanted with the soft, slack @ss, needy losers that want what others have without working for it. SO, be proud to be an American, but get mad at the losers that wish to take advantage of American freedom.