Should the electoral college go rogue? One Harvard professor thinks so

[Don Baldwin]

Harvard professor calls for Electoral College to vote for Clinton - The Boston Globe (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/11/25/harvard-professor-calls-for-electoral-college-vote-for-clinton/ndmVyeeN4eAKURI5NCsyCJ/story.html)

"The votes may have all been cast in the presidential election, but the electoral college isn’t set to vote until mid-December. And a Harvard professor is arguing that rather than vote for Donald Trump, the clear electoral vote winner, electors should instead buck tradition and tap Hillary Clinton as our nation’s next president."

It COULD happen...if Trump is REALLY a rogue, he won't be elected. The "system" WILL go on.

[graciegirl]

Harvard professor calls for Electoral College to vote for Clinton - The Boston Globe (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/11/25/harvard-professor-calls-for-electoral-college-vote-for-clinton/ndmVyeeN4eAKURI5NCsyCJ/story.html)

"The votes may have all been cast in the presidential election, but the electoral college isn’t set to vote until mid-December. And a Harvard professor is arguing that rather than vote for Donald Trump, the clear electoral vote winner, electors should instead buck tradition and tap Hillary Clinton as our nation’s next president."

It COULD happen...if Trump is REALLY a rogue, he won't be elected. The "system" WILL go on.

ANYWAY to win is making a lot of Democrats appear to be CHEATING, now that they have established they are sore losers. Have y'all no grace at all?

[Taltarzac725]

No. That would set a bad precedent for the future elections. I am no fan of Donald Trump and his hateful rhetoric but he should be given a chance to see what he can do with the Office he won from the tallied votes for Electors.

He might also be a much better prospect for my massive 224 613 Project as it does have a lot of anti-Establishment aspects. It is arming citizens with the best resources for information through libraries. Hillary Clinton is a player in that Establishment and probably would have used all kinds of tricks to make sure that the Project really did not flourish. I will have to see if Donald Trump is all talk or if he really believes about draining the swamp.

[billethkid]

BS thread not worthy of response and wasting keystrokes.

[Polar Bear]

...hillary clinton is a player in that establishment and probably would have used all kinds of tricks to make sure that the project really did not flourish...
Bwaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!!!!

[Don Baldwin]

No. That would set a bad precedent for the future elections. I am no fan of Donald Trump and his hateful rhetoric but he should be given a chance to see what he can do with the Office he won from the tallied votes for Electors.

He might also be a much better prospect for my massive 224 613 Project as it does have a lot of anti-Establishment aspects. It is arming citizens with the best resources for information through libraries. Hillary Clinton is a player in that Establishment and probably would have used all kinds of tricks to make sure that the Project really did not flourish. I will have to see if Donald Trump is all talk or if he really believes about draining the swamp.

Trump is part of the system, he won't be "elected" by the EC if he isn't. They're not going to just give up their power. It was reality TV, the whole "rogue" thing. The R party played us. Trump will borrow and spend a LOT more than Obama. Hopefully they'll do infrastructure, we can use it. Hopefully he'll do a lot of things, but I'm not holding me breath.

[Abby10]

No. That would set a bad precedent for the future elections. I am no fan of Donald Trump and his hateful rhetoric but he should be given a chance to see what he can do with the Office he won from the tallied votes for Electors.

He might also be a much better prospect for my massive 224 613 Project as it does have a lot of anti-Establishment aspects. It is arming citizens with the best resources for information through libraries. Hillary Clinton is a player in that Establishment and probably would have used all kinds of tricks to make sure that the Project really did not flourish. I will have to see if Donald Trump is all talk or if he really believes about draining the swamp.

I don't get it. If this is your life's work and it means so much to you, why did you support Hillary? Just wondering.......

[Taltarzac725]

I don't get it. If this is your life's work and it means so much to you, why did you support Hillary? Just wondering.......

My 224 613 Project involves hundreds of thousands of people. I do not speak for them but have tried to get them involved with advocating certain ideas. Mainly about creating a dialog among many different professionals -- not just law librarians and lawyers-- about the practical needs of information for survivors/victims of crimes connected to libraries and the Internet. I vote for whomever I feel would follow my personal beliefs about politics. I am a life long Democrat. If a life long Republican wants to get involved with the 224 613 Project-- and many are-- that's fine with me. Many Republicans have helped me over the almost 26 years I have been doing this work. I have no idea what Donald Trump is going to do about much of anything. We will see what he does in January 2017. He seems to also dialog with a lot of people before making serious decisions which is a good thing. But my vote is MY vote and not the vote of others in the 224 613 Project. I am for a woman's right to chose, against actions that will hurt the environment and many other tenets of the Democrats.

Part of this Project also is fighting against some very dirty tricks played on me by the two-party Establishment. I am very interested in just what Donald Trump has to say about "draining the swamp" and what he actually does in that regard.

Also my Project involves whom I have worked for and when and where and the kind of inter-actions I had with these people while fighting for the practical needs of information for survivors/victims of crimes. It is a very complicated story but quite well documented as I was trained to do while a student and then Student Director for Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners at the University of Minnesota Law School. Some of the law professors there liked what I was doing; the majority did not. Arming people with access to very practical information does threaten lawyers' control of the dialog as you would have more people asking intelligent and well-informed questions in the legal process and not being so easily manipulated.

There seems to be more and more people though interested in mitigating the ability of lawyers to control the conversation. Better informed jury members for instance BEFORE they even go into the court room is one aspect of this. I am not arguing for chaos in the courtroom that would harm the pursuit of justice in the jurors trying to get at the truth in a certain case or at least as that is humanly possibly given the limitations of any particular situation.

[Abby10]

My 224 613 Project involves hundreds of thousands of people. I do not speak for them but have tried to get them involved with advocating certain ideas. Mainly about creating a dialog among many different professionals -- not just law librarians and lawyers-- about the practical needs of information for survivors/victims of crimes connected to libraries and the Internet. I vote for whomever I feel would follow my personal beliefs about politics. I am a life long Democrat. If a life long Republican wants to get involved with the 224 613 Project-- and many are-- that's fine with me. Many Republicans have helped me over the almost 26 years I have been doing this work. I have no idea what Donald Trump is going to do about much of anything. We will see what he does in January 2017. He seems to also dialog with a lot of people before making serious decisions which is a good thing. But my vote is MY vote and not the vote of others in the 224 613 Project. I am for a woman's right to chose, against actions that will hurt the environment and many other tenets of the Democrats.

Part of this Project also is fighting against some very dirty tricks played on me by the two-party Establishment. I am very interested in just what Donald Trump has to say about "draining the swamp" and what he actually does in that regard.

Also my Project involves whom I have worked for and when and where and the kind of inter-actions I had with these people while fighting for the practical needs of information for survivors/victims of crimes. It is a very complicated story but quite well documented as I was trained to do while a student and then Student Director for Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners at the University of Minnesota Law School. Some of the law professors there liked what I was doing; the majority did not. Arming people with access to very practical information does threaten lawyers' control of the dialog as you would have more people asking intelligent and well-informed questions in the legal process and no being so easily manipulated.

Still confused, but that's ok, no need to pursue this. I'm thinking that our ideas regarding being passionate about something might be different, but probably not an appropriate conversation to have on this forum. Have a good day!

[Taltarzac725]

Trump is part of the system, he won't be "elected" by the EC if he isn't. They're not going to just give up their power. It was reality TV, the whole "rogue" thing. The R party played us. Trump will borrow and spend a LOT more than Obama. Hopefully they'll do infrastructure, we can use it. Hopefully he'll do a lot of things, but I'm not holding me breath.

He does not seem to be part of the system. It seems mostly about this man's ego and his desire to be loved by many people.

Clinton would be more of the same government with tweeks here-and-there.

Whether or not Trump can change Washington though is the $1,000,000,000 question. Many have gone in saying they would and instead they change to accommodate the reality of the beltway which has little to do with the actual reality outside of it.

[Taltarzac725]

Still confused, but that's ok, no need to pursue this. I'm thinking that our ideas regarding being passionate about something might be different, but probably not an appropriate conversation to have on this forum. Have a good day!

It is very easy to find some of the documents I have put up on the Internet. And I have had some help over the years with whom to get involved in this. I have been doing this work in MN, IL, CA, and FL but with many contacts in TX, NY, DC, KY, HI, AK and various other states especially NV and CO.

I started out with this Project by writing 4000 or so victim/witness assistance centers all over the United States about what they would like to see in law libraries for victims/survivors of crimes. I do not just accept what law librarians or lawyers tell me are these needs. You ask the people you are trying to help directly and not count on what some academic says are their needs. This took me a few years though. I then used their responses to try to change the hearts and minds of these academics and law librarians and also tried to get Hollywood and the media involved. They can be very creative with how they solve problems like this. Mainly through telling human interest stories.

[MDLNB]

Oh well, IF the electorals decided to go the other way, they country would be in an uproar and we would have a civil war. Fine with me. Time to drain the swamp. Might was well literally drain it of liberals that do not support the Constitution. WE have plenty of immigrants to take their places. By the way, ammo appears to be on sale.

[MDLNB]

It is very easy to find some of the documents I have put up on the Internet. And I have had some help over the years with whom to get involved in this. I have been doing this work in MN, IL, CA, and FL but with many contacts in TX, NY, DC, KY, HI, AK and various other states especially NV and CO.

I started out with this Project by writing 4000 or so victim/witness assistance centers all over the United States about what they would like to see in law libraries for victims/survivors of crimes. I do not just accept what law librarians or lawyers tell me are these needs. You ask the people you are trying to help directly and not count on what some academic says are their needs. This took me a few years though. I then used their responses to try to change the hearts and minds of these academics and law librarians and also tried to get Hollywood and the media involved. They can be very creative with how they solve problems like this. Mainly through telling human interest stories.

Best way to help those victims is to issue them weapons and give them instruction on how to use them proficiently. How many CCW victims do you know?

[rubicon]

Should the electoral college go rogue? The immediate response to the question depends on whose ox is being gored.

A deeper response would consider the primary reason as to why the founders established the electoral college.

Clearly for better than 200 hundreds the electoral college has served us well and that the relinquishing of power from one party to the next has been peaceful and orderly. This civil relinquishment is one of our greatest gifts from the founders and the envy of the world

So given the invaluable value of the electoral college to preserve this Republic one might ask why and who are making a demand for the dissolution of the electoral college?

Jill Stein's demand for a recount in my view serves her threefold. first she gathers campaign money for future campaigns. Secondly she gains more face recognition. Third I have a gut feeling that she is working in the background with Clinton people, environmentalist, feminist and globalist to damage Trump's reputation.

The alphabet/liberal news outlets CNN< NBC< ABC and their affiliatates are spreading misinformation here and abroad in an attempt to discredit Trump.

We are all witnessing just how unhinged many progressives really are . Jill Stein is a radical nazi feminist unshaven armpits and all.

Its one thing to protest but these are radical that are committing crimes and bent on tearing down this nation

Personal Best Regards:

[Taltarzac725]

Best way to help those victims is to issue them weapons and give them instruction on how to use them proficiently. How many CCW victims do you know?

Quite a number actually. In domestic violence situations the abused could fight back and still end up in prison. A weapon should be the last resort not the first. There are cases in which police shoot the wrong person when acting hastily or just plain abuse their position and kill someone for their own agenda. There are corrupt cops, politicians, and many many others in every walk of life.

The 2nd Amendment is important but it should not be the main focus of dialog. Education about how to get along with people and civics should be a lot more important and maybe more instruction about the Golden Rule. I do not necessarily mean Christianity as many religions share the idea of doing onto others as you would have done undo you.

[billethkid]

So he is a Harvard professor....big deal.

Merely proves wackos and loose cannons are not excluded.

And who ever said academia was an authentication for anything of substance?

[MDLNB]

Quite a number actually. In domestic violence situations the abused could fight back and still end up in prison. A weapon should be the last resort not the first. There are cases in which police shoot the wrong person when acting hastily or just plain abuse their position and kill someone for their own agenda. There are corrupt cops, politicians, and many many others in every walk of life.

The 2nd Amendment is important but it should not be the main focus of dialog. Education about how to get along with people and civics should be a lot more important and maybe more instruction about the Golden Rule. I do not necessarily mean Christianity as many religions share the idea of doing onto others as you would have done undo you.

Your ONLY focus in any forum, any subject is your oblivious project that no one will even read. Not to be harsh or demeaning, but have you thought of just staying NEAR the subject? If your ego is that damaged that you need reassurance, then you need more than a forum to fix you.

If you really need vindication, then get with CNM and she will show you have to "get into their heads" to get her attention.

If you are a victim of spousal abuse, then get a lawyer. There are lots of lawyers on here that are full of advice. :)

[Taltarzac725]

Your ONLY focus in any forum, any subject is your oblivious project that no one will even read. Not to be harsh or demeaning, but have you thought of just staying NEAR the subject? If your ego is that damaged that you need reassurance, then you need more than a forum to fix you.

If you really need vindication, then get with CNM and she will show you have to "get into their heads" to get her attention.

If you are a victim of spousal abuse, then get a lawyer. There are lots of lawyers on here that are full of advice. :)

How was my post about education rather than more guns about my 224 613 Project?

I know people who carry concealed weapons for a variety of reasons-- retired law enforcement, someone with a stalker who got violent, etc. Guns have a use but they are tools that is all. The means in some cases, never the end which the NRA and its followers often make their love of guns as.

And I hate to tell you this but my Photobucket Array now has 20,351 views or thereabouts. I had 250 in one day last week. These are about my almost 26 year 224 613 Project.

CNM actually seems like a nice thoughtful person. And it may be a man. They are some people who come on here just to be mean, nasty, brutish and short tempered. To paraphrase Thomas Hobbes.

[MDLNB]

What does your project have to do with the subject, Electoral votes? Is there a victim involved?

[Polar Bear]

What does your project have to do with the subject, Electoral votes?...

Come on, MDLNB. You know the project is related to ALL topics, as well as being THE most important item on everybody's mind. You should know that by now!!!

[MDLNB]

Come on, MDLNB. You know the project is related to ALL topics, as well as being THE most important item on everybody's mind. You should know that by know!!!

My bad, I stand corrected.............:ho:

[Taltarzac725]

What does your project have to do with the subject, Electoral votes? Is there a victim involved?

Clinton -- the male one-- did supply me with some documents in my Photobucket Array for this Project. The Clintons were in the White House already eight years during which I was doing this Project. Not too much real effect though except for all the letters that date from when the Clintons were in the White House.

A President does set the tone for many subjects. We do not know what a President Trump will do because 1) he lied his way to the White House for the most part) 2) and is now even changing those lies to some new positions, yet again.

If I were in the Electoral College, I would be quite worried about just Donald Trump will do about any important topic-- abortion, climate change, victims/rights and the rule of law, gun control, and many other topics. All of this touch victims of some kind or another. Murders by guns, birth defects due to poisons in the environment, victims of rapes and their getting an abortion, etc.

[Don Baldwin]

Best way to help those victims is to issue them weapons and give them instruction on how to use them proficiently. How many CCW victims do you know?

CCW holders are usually proactive and therefore usually not victims. Passive people are more often victims.

Quite a number actually. In domestic violence situations the abused could fight back and still end up in prison. A weapon should be the last resort not the first. There are cases in which police shoot the wrong person when acting hastily or just plain abuse their position and kill someone for their own agenda. There are corrupt cops, politicians, and many many others in every walk of life.

The 2nd Amendment is important but it should not be the main focus of dialog. Education about how to get along with people and civics should be a lot more important and maybe more instruction about the Golden Rule. I do not necessarily mean Christianity as many religions share the idea of doing onto others as you would have done undo you.

What world is that? The one with no minorities? Ain't gonna happen with black/brown people.

So he is a Harvard professor....big deal.

Merely proves wackos and loose cannons are not excluded.

And who ever said academia was an authentication for anything of substance?

Academia is propaganda.

[Taltarzac725]

CCW holders are usually proactive and therefore usually not victims. Passive people are more often victims.



What world is that? The one with no minorities? Ain't gonna happen with black/brown people.



Academia is propaganda.


There are good professors and bad ones in my experience.

And angry white men are becoming a minority in many areas of the country.

[Topspinmo]

Clinton -- the male one-- did supply me with some documents in my Photobucket Array for this Project. The Clintons were in the White House already eight years during which I was doing this Project. Not too much real effect though except for all the letters that date from when the Clintons were in the White House.

A President does set the tone for many subjects. We do not know what a President Trump will do because 1) he lied his way to the White House for the most part) 2) and is now even changing those lies to some new positions, yet again.

If I were in the Electoral College, I would be quite worried about just Donald Trump will do about any important topic-- abortion, climate change, victims/rights and the rule of law, gun control, and many other topics. All of this touch victims of some kind or another. Murders by guns, birth defects due to poisons in the environment, victims of rapes and their getting an abortion, etc.


he lied his way to the White House for the most part) 2) and is now even changing those lies to some new positions, yet again.


Are you that blind? like Clinton never Lied! I find it hard for her to say anything with any truth in it. She flip flops all the time, but that's ok in your mind isn't it.

Harvard Professor just want some more Free welfare money from the government studies/Grants (Like how high Grasshopper can jump study for 5 years and millions of dollars) and he knows his liberal democrats will supply it if he keeps the indoctrination going for votes.

[Taltarzac725]

he lied his way to the White House for the most part) 2) and is now even changing those lies to some new positions, yet again.


Are you that blind? like Clinton never Lied! I find it hard for her to say anything with any truth in it. She flip flops all the time, but that's ok in your mind isn't it.

Harvard Professor just want some more Free welfare money from the government studies/Grants (Like how high Grasshopper can jump study for 5 years and millions of dollars) and he knows his liberal democrats will supply it if he keeps the indoctrination going for votes.

Just research the Fact-Checkers. Trump is one of the biggest liars elected to be President of the United States.

Hillary Clinton is a politician and a very smart one at that as well as a savvy lawyer. She certainly leaves stuff out and twists stuff in her favor but Donald Trump just flat out lies to people's faces.

[billethkid]

There are good professors and bad ones in my experience.

And angry white men are becoming a minority in many areas of the country.

Isn't that to be expected as America continues to have folks of color outnumbering us all in the not so distant future.

And other than the statement itself, was there a point to it?

[Taltarzac725]

Isn't that to be expected as America continues to have folks of color outnumbering us all in the not so distant future.

And other than the statement itself, was there a point to it?

Academia is not propaganda. I have had professors who did not seem very objective about much of anything but they were a rarity. Hard to get subjective about mathematics, science, accounting, teaching language skills and the like. History, art, philosophy, using a language are more objective but their peers often act as checks-and-balances.

[Abby10]

Academia is not propaganda. I have had professors who did not seem very objective about much of anything but they were a rarity. Hard to get subjective about mathematics, science, accounting, teaching language skills and the like. History, art, philosophy, using a language are more objective but their peers often act as checks-and-balances.

How long has it been since you were in school? A lot has changed over the years. Having had a child graduate from college not all that long ago, I can tell you that it is a lot of propaganda. The graduation itself was so politicized we did not even attend....thankfully our son was not interested in going either. What a shame how things have changed since I went to college, although even then there was a lot of the same going on, just not so blatant as today. Do you wonder why our kids are not the best and the brightest with all the money thrown at academia?

[Don Baldwin]

There are good professors and bad ones in my experience.

And angry white men are becoming a minority in many areas of the country.

50 years ago maybe...not now. It's a feminized and liberalized place now. "Equality" no matter how low the "standards" have to get is priority...EVERYONE must feel good. Women run academia now. Feminine values anyway.

Whites are being bred out, we'll be the minority in our own country very soon.

Isn't that to be expected as America continues to have folks of color outnumbering us all in the not so distant future.

And other than the statement itself, was there a point to it?

They breed like rabbits. 30 years or less and America is gone. We'll be Mexico II.

There's never a point other than we're racists for pointing out facts.

Academia is not propaganda. I have had professors who did not seem very objective about much of anything but they were a rarity. Hard to get subjective about mathematics, science, accounting, teaching language skills and the like. History, art, philosophy, using a language are more objective but their peers often act as checks-and-balances.

Who takes STEM courses? The Asian kids...some white kids. Minorities/women don't HARD courses. They take the feel good, SUBJECTIVE courses.

How long has it been since you were in school? A lot has changed over the years. Having had a child graduate from college not all that long ago, I can tell you that it is a lot of propaganda. The graduation itself was so politicized we did not even attend....thankfully our son was not interested in going either. What a shame how things have changed since I went to college, although even then there was a lot of the same going on, just not so blatant as today. Do you wonder why our kids are not the best and the brightest with all the money thrown at academia?

Are you surprised they even graduated? The kids now know a LOT about nothing and nothing about a lot. I'm shocked how little they know and are graduating.

It's a politically correct, feminized, indoctrination zone where you're taught to sit down, shut up, and obey.