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Cedwards38
01-26-2017, 07:16 PM
A man walks into a bar in The Villages.
"Bartender, I'll have a Corona," he says and flips a 5 dollar bill on the bar.
Bartender says, "The price has gone up from $5.00 to $6.00 to cover Trump's Mexican import tax."
Man puts another dollar on the bar and drinks his beer.

Remind me who's going to pay for that wall.

Rockyrd
01-26-2017, 07:44 PM
A man walks into a bar in The Villages.
"Bartender, I'll have a Corona," he says and flips a 5 dollar bill on the bar.
Bartender says, "The price has gone up from $5.00 to $6.00 to cover Trump's Mexican import tax."
Man puts another dollar on the bar and drinks his beer.

Remind me who's going to pay for that wall.

Well oresented. Was thinking of this earlier.

I honestly wish our new President succes, but find it a bit wacky as he embraces Russia, wants to lift sanctions on them, while fighting with Mexico who has not even said a bad word about us.

And lastly, listening to his talk in Philly where he speaks of using American processed steel for the pipeline, I wondered how much that will increase the cost.

By the way, on Fox, while he spoke, the scroll across the bottom said that our unemployment is so low that it has reached the number where economists call it no unemployment.

Same scroll said statistics show that illegal immigration has descended each year for the last few and is now at an almost all time low, although I might dispute that without more research because just prior to the election, seems there was a surge.

Again, taxes, trade, health care etc all need work, but just ignoring the blather and looking at facts, I am wondering a lot, especially about debt. Great to hear Ryan, at least mention the debt.

But you nailed who will pay for that wall, which if you read the wording could be a big fence instead.

How Low Can the Unemployment Rate Go? - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-low-can-the-unemployment-rate-go-1483645308)

"One key question for the U.S. labor market this year: How low can the unemployment rate actually go?"

Don Baldwin
01-26-2017, 09:08 PM
A man walks into a bar in The Villages.
"Bartender, I'll have a Corona," he says and flips a 5 dollar bill on the bar.
Bartender says, "The price has gone up from $5.00 to $6.00 to cover Trump's Mexican import tax."
Man puts another dollar on the bar and drinks his beer.

Remind me who's going to pay for that wall.

He's just telling you that story to get another buck from you...he's knows you're an idiot...you ordered a corona.

larbud
01-26-2017, 09:21 PM
He's just telling you that story to get another buck from you...he's knows you're an idiot...you ordered a corona.

šŸ˜Ž

ColdNoMore
01-26-2017, 09:27 PM
A man walks into a bar in The Villages.
"Bartender, I'll have a Corona," he says and flips a 5 dollar bill on the bar.
Bartender says, "The price has gone up from $5.00 to $6.00 to cover Trump's Mexican import tax."
Man puts another dollar on the bar and drinks his beer.

Remind me who's going to pay for that wall.

Yep. :oops:

Chump will Tweet a lie that he made Mexico pay for it and there will be a certain number of his ignorant cultists...that will actually frigging believe him. :ohdear:

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
01-26-2017, 09:49 PM
A man walks into a bar in The Villages.
"Bartender, I'll have a Corona," he says and flips a 5 dollar bill on the bar.
Bartender says, "The price has gone up from $5.00 to $6.00 to cover Trump's Mexican import tax."
Man puts another dollar on the bar and drinks his beer.

Remind me who's going to pay for that wall.

Hopefully what will happen is that the man will change his beer preference to Yuengling or Sam Adams creating more of a demand for American products and more jobs so those companies can keep up with that higher demand.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
01-26-2017, 09:54 PM
Well oresented. Was thinking of this earlier.

I honestly wish our new President succes, but find it a bit wacky as he embraces Russia, wants to lift sanctions on them, while fighting with Mexico who has not even said a bad word about us.

And lastly, listening to his talk in Philly where he speaks of using American processed steel for the pipeline, I wondered how much that will increase the cost.

By the way, on Fox, while he spoke, the scroll across the bottom said that our unemployment is so low that it has reached the number where economists call it no unemployment.

Same scroll said statistics show that illegal immigration has descended each year for the last few and is now at an almost all time low, although I might dispute that without more research because just prior to the election, seems there was a surge.

Again, taxes, trade, health care etc all need work, but just ignoring the blather and looking at facts, I am wondering a lot, especially about debt. Great to hear Ryan, at least mention the debt.

But you nailed who will pay for that wall, which if you read the wording could be a big fence instead.

How Low Can the Unemployment Rate Go? - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-low-can-the-unemployment-rate-go-1483645308)

"One key question for the U.S. labor market this year: How low can the unemployment rate actually go?"

If you are in favor or higher wages, the one thing that can drive up wages is a glut of available workers.

The unemployment rate is a phony number anyway. It only counts the number of people on the unemployment compensation rolls. It doesn't count people whose benefits have expired and have stopped looking for work. Nor does it count people who were laid of and took jobs for less money than they were making before.

The actual number of unemployed is much greater, (some sources say two or three times) than the "official" number.

ColdNoMore
01-26-2017, 10:04 PM
The only way to ever stop the problem, is to start prosecuting those who hire undocumented workers...and put them in jail! :mad:


So, I wonder which Morse family members will...'take one for the team?' :1rotfl:

Maxamillion
01-26-2017, 10:10 PM
Well oresented. Was thinking of this earlier.

I honestly wish our new President succes, but find it a bit wacky as he embraces Russia, wants to lift sanctions on them, while fighting with Mexico who has not even said a bad word about us.

And lastly, listening to his talk in Philly where he speaks of using American processed steel for the pipeline, I wondered how much that will increase the cost.

By the way, on Fox, while he spoke, the scroll across the bottom said that our unemployment is so low that it has reached the number where economists call it no unemployment.

Same scroll said statistics show that illegal immigration has descended each year for the last few and is now at an almost all time low, although I might dispute that without more research because just prior to the election, seems there was a surge.

Again, taxes, trade, health care etc all need work, but just ignoring the blather and looking at facts, I am wondering a lot, especially about debt. Great to hear Ryan, at least mention the debt.

But you nailed who will pay for that wall, which if you read the wording could be a big fence instead.

How Low Can the Unemployment Rate Go? - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-low-can-the-unemployment-rate-go-1483645308)

"One key question for the U.S. labor market this year: How low can the unemployment rate actually go?" Full employment according to economists is 5.5% Unemployment
I t does very a little but not usually more the point 5%

MDLNB
01-27-2017, 04:07 AM
Hopefully what will happen is that the man will change his beer preference to Yuengling or Sam Adams creating more of a demand for American products and more jobs so those companies can keep up with that higher demand.

:thumbup:

MDLNB
01-27-2017, 04:16 AM
SO, liberals are in favor of low waged illegal aliens in the work force. But, they also want to make them legal. So, once they make them legal, they decide they now want union wages and then take America jobs. The price of goods and services go up, but the illegals are no longer illegal. Americans lose their well paying jobs to the now legal, illegals. Then there is no one to do the low paying farm jobs because they want union jobs, since they are now legal.

Mexico gets taxed higher and the Democrats decide that Americans will suffer higher prices to make up for it. And yet, they do not feel that raising the minimum wage scale will cause the prices to go up to compensate. WHY?

Liberals say they do not want to lower the corporate tax rate or give tax breaks to rich big business because it's not fair. They want to raise the tax rate for the wealthy, but for some reason do not feel that the wealthy or big business will compensate by higher prices for goods and services. WHY?

Liberals seem to be blatantly avoiding common sense and logic.

MDLNB
01-27-2017, 04:20 AM
The only way to ever stop the problem, is to start prosecuting those who hire undocumented workers...and put them in jail! :mad:


So, I wonder which Morse family members will...'take one for the team?' :1rotfl:

If you are so uptight about the Morse family, why do you live here? You do know that they subcontract, don't you? So, why do you assume that the Morse family hires illegals? Do you have proof, or do you just enjoy slandering them? Or, is your wealth envy so great that you miserably have a need to slur those that are better than you?

larbud
01-27-2017, 05:40 AM
If you are so uptight about the Morse family, why do you live here? You do know that they subcontract, don't you? So, why do you assume that the Morse family hires illegals? Do you have proof, or do you just enjoy slandering them? Or, is your wealth envy so great that you miserably have a need to slur those that are better than you?


Better than or richer than?? What does mdlnb stand for?

MDLNB
01-27-2017, 05:46 AM
Better than or richer than?? What does mdlnb stand for?

MDLNB stands for all the right things. Why?

larbud
01-27-2017, 06:09 AM
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Don Baldwin
01-27-2017, 06:20 AM
SO, liberals are in favor of low waged illegal aliens in the work force. But, they also want to make them legal. So, once they make them legal, they decide they now want union wages and then take America jobs. The price of goods and services go up, but the illegals are no longer illegal. Americans lose their well paying jobs to the now legal, illegals. Then there is no one to do the low paying farm jobs because they want union jobs, since they are now legal.

Mexico gets taxed higher and the Democrats decide that Americans will suffer higher prices to make up for it. And yet, they do not feel that raising the minimum wage scale will cause the prices to go up to compensate. WHY?

Liberals say they do not want to lower the corporate tax rate or give tax breaks to rich big business because it's not fair. They want to raise the tax rate for the wealthy, but for some reason do not feel that the wealthy or big business will compensate by higher prices for goods and services. WHY?

Liberals seem to be blatantly avoiding common sense and logic.

Avoiding common sense and logic? NO...INCAPABLE of common sense and logic.

Since they've been involved...equal...things have steadily gone down hill.

rubicon
01-27-2017, 06:25 AM
The problem with we Americans is that we want instant everything. it is going to take the Trump Administration sometime just to get this government working properly. The founders deliberately made it difficult to accomplish desired legislation as they did not want elected officials to legislate in HASTE and REPENT in leisure.

Obama's use of pen and phone and regulations that gave legislative power to agency such as the EPA circumvented the balance of power
While certain executive orders are required Obama's use from a qualitative standpoint were unconstitutional .

As a sidebar I find it disconcerting to read that the State Department ordered stress management seminars for its employees to deal with Hillary's loss. these are the very people who are suppose to be dealing with stressful national problems.

I also wonder of what value the EPA employees are when a number of them have been showing up for working literally crying.
People that emotional simply can't make rational decisions

Personal Best Regards:

Cedwards38
01-27-2017, 07:37 AM
Avoiding common sense and logic? NO...INCAPABLE of common sense and logic.

Since they've been involved...equal...things have steadily gone down hill.

Typically it's more effective to use facts, logic, and rational thought to make a point rather than resorting to name calling and unsubstantiated accusations. You must have forgotten to put any facts in your attempt to persuade. Pathetic, playground, finger pointing only makes me laugh.

dave harris
01-27-2017, 07:48 AM
If you are in favor or higher wages, the one thing that can drive up wages is a glut of available workers.

The unemployment rate is a phony number anyway. It only counts the number of people on the unemployment compensation rolls. It doesn't count people whose benefits have expired and have stopped looking for work. Nor does it count people who were laid of and took jobs for less money than they were making before.

The actual number of unemployed is much greater, (some sources say two or three times) than the "official" number.

" It only counts the number of people on the unemployment compensation rolls. It doesn't count people whose benefits have expired and have stopped looking for work." How do those people put food on the table, if they are on welfare they are counted.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
01-27-2017, 07:56 AM
Full employment according to economists is 5.5% Unemployment
I t does very a little but not usually more the point 5%

Full employment is 5.5% of the work force is unemployed? Does this sound like a conflict in terms? More ridiculous political speak.

Full employment is when every able bodied American that wants to work has a job that is commensurate with their skills and abilities. An engineer working as a greeter in Wal-Mart should not be counted as fully employed.

Once every American that wants to work and is able to work is working at a job at their skill and ability level, we can begin bringing in foreign workers to fill the jobs that are needed.

When there are too many workers and not enough jobs, wages will increase. This is basic supply and demand from Economic 101. Wages won't need to be raised by some phony government number. Everyone will be earning what they deserve.

Cedwards38
01-27-2017, 08:03 AM
He's just telling you that story to get another buck from you...he's knows you're an idiot...you ordered a corona.

You're right. :) I should have ordered a Corona with lime. Or it could have been a shot of Tequila, or a Margarita, or avocados, or any of the things listed in the article linked below:

Here's what else we import from Mexico, Mr. Trump - Sep. 16, 2016 (http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/16/news/economy/mexico-imports-trump/)

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
01-27-2017, 08:12 AM
Full employment according to economists is 5.5% Unemployment
I t does very a little but not usually more the point 5%

Full employment is 5.5% of the work force is unemployed? Does this sound like a conflict in terms? More ridiculous political speak.

Full employment is when every able bodied American that wants to work has a job that is commensurate with their skills and abilities. An engineer working as a greeter in Wal-Mart should not be counted as fully employed.

Once every American that wants to work and is able to work is working at a job at their skill and ability level, we can begin bringing in foreign workers to fill the jobs that are needed.

When there are too many workers and not enough jobs, wages will increase. This is basic supply and demand from Economic 101. Wages won't need to be raised by some phony government number. Everyone will be earning what they deserve.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
01-27-2017, 08:13 AM
You're right. :) I should have ordered a Corona with lime. Or it could have been a shot of Tequila, or a Margarita, or avocados, or any of the things listed in the article linked below:

Here's what else we import from Mexico, Mr. Trump - Sep. 16, 2016 (http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/16/news/economy/mexico-imports-trump/)

And we can't produce any of those items here?

Don Baldwin
01-27-2017, 08:24 AM
The problem with we Americans is that we want instant everything. it is going to take the Trump Administration sometime just to get this government working properly. The founders deliberately made it difficult to accomplish desired legislation as they did not want elected officials to legislate in HASTE and REPENT in leisure.

Obama's use of pen and phone and regulations that gave legislative power to agency such as the EPA circumvented the balance of power
While certain executive orders are required Obama's use from a qualitative standpoint were unconstitutional .

As a sidebar I find it disconcerting to read that the State Department ordered stress management seminars for its employees to deal with Hillary's loss. these are the very people who are suppose to be dealing with stressful national problems.

I also wonder of what value the EPA employees are when a number of them have been showing up for working literally crying.
People that emotional simply can't make rational decisions

Personal Best Regards:

Women and minorities...there weren't many white men doing that. WHEN will you learn! They're too emotional and too ignorant to have a say.

Women know about PEOPLE...they don't know about "things". Minorities...well they don't know anything and without quotas would be left out in the cold...where they belong. NO MORE QUOTAS for the unqualified.

" It only counts the number of people on the unemployment compensation rolls. It doesn't count people whose benefits have expired and have stopped looking for work." How do those people put food on the table, if they are on welfare they are counted.

Huh Dave? WTF are you talking about? You need to do some checking...unemployment is determined by calling 60,000 households...using a formula...and asking them. People receiving benefits is a separate number. Half the country is receiving some government benefit. THAT many are either unemployed or underemployed.

Full employment is 5.5% of the work force is unemployed? Does this sound like a conflict in terms? More ridiculous political speak.

Full employment is when every able bodied American that wants to work has a job that is commensurate with their skills and abilities. An engineer working as a greeter in Wal-Mart should not be counted as fully employed.

Once every American that wants to work and is able to work is working at a job at their skill and ability level, we can begin bringing in foreign workers to fill the jobs that are needed.

When there are too many workers and not enough jobs, wages will increase. This is basic supply and demand from Economic 101. Wages won't need to be raised by some phony government number. Everyone will be earning what they deserve.

"Economists" determined that 5.5% is full...it's based on "temporary" unemployment as people move from job to job. People "between" jobs.

Wages decrease...you knew that...just pointing out the typo for others readers.

The reality is...we're probably living in the era of "peak jobs" as automation and robotics takes over. Somewhere in Asia they have a fast food restaurant completely "staffed" by machines.

Many countries are beginning to talk of a minimum monthly income paid to all citizens. The age of Star Trek is coming...IF we get that far. Don;t forget, white people are being bred out, we're the minority below age 7. Within 30 years, we'll be Mexico II. Is there much cutting edge technology coming out of Mexico? Didn't think so...

You're right. :) I should have ordered a Corona with lime. Or it could have been a shot of Tequila, or a Margarita, or avocados, or any of the things listed in the article linked below:

Here's what else we import from Mexico, Mr. Trump - Sep. 16, 2016 (http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/16/news/economy/mexico-imports-trump/)

STOP believing their bullsh!t stories! Did we all die from the last scare story...what was it? Zika? It was supposed to make all the newborns heads small. They spent $ billions on it.

It's all CRAP so they and their friends can make money looting the treasury.

ColdNoMore
01-27-2017, 10:00 AM
If you are so uptight about the Morse family, why do you live here? You do know that they subcontract, don't you? So, why do you assume that the Morse family hires illegals? Do you have proof, or do you just enjoy slandering them? Or, is your wealth envy so great that you miserably have a need to slur those that are better than you?

LOL :1rotfl:

You would have to be an idiot, not to know that since a large % of the people working on the common areas around here can't even speak English...that a significant number must be 'undocumented.' :oops:

You would have to be an even bigger idiot...not to know that The Developer knows this.

As I said, they should be prosecuted for breaking the law.

And your pathetic attempt to make excuses for the Morse's because they 'subcontract'... simply exhibits your continuing flaming hypocrisy. ;)

I personally have no problem with my amenities fee doubling by hiring Americans...but not everyone who is so outspoken against immigration shares my position.

SOOOO, they are 'flaming hypocrites' also.' :thumbup:

You're welcome. :wave:

ColdNoMore
01-27-2017, 10:02 AM
You're right. :) I should have ordered a Corona with lime. Or it could have been a shot of Tequila, or a Margarita, or avocados, or any of the things listed in the article linked below:

Here's what else we import from Mexico, Mr. Trump - Sep. 16, 2016 (http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/16/news/economy/mexico-imports-trump/)

The reason undocumented workers are hired, is so that businesses can take advantage of them...and keep the prices of their products/services low.

Which, in essence, is why Americans (and yes, even/especially those on the right)...encourage businesses to hire undocumented workers.

Consequently, I can't wait to hear the whining and crying from those ignorant people that don't understand this...who will start screeching when prices rise significantly. :D

dirtbanker
01-27-2017, 10:10 AM
A man walks into a bar in The Villages.
"Bartender, I'll have a Corona," he says and flips a 5 dollar bill on the bar.
Bartender says, "The price has gone up from $5.00 to $6.00 to cover Trump's Mexican import tax."
Man puts another dollar on the bar and drinks his beer.

Remind me who's going to pay for that wall.

Not me, I don't drink watered down pi$$.

dirtbanker
01-27-2017, 10:31 AM
LOL :1rotfl:

You would have to be an idiot, not to know that since a large % of the people working on the common areas around here can't even speak English...that a significant number must be 'undocumented.' :oops:

You would have to be an even bigger idiot...not to know that The Developer knows this.

As I said, they should be prosecuted for breaking the law.

And your pathetic attempt to make excuses for the Morse's because they 'subcontract'... simply exhibits your continuing flaming hypocrisy. ;)

I personally have no problem with my amenities fee doubling by hiring Americans...but not everyone who is so outspoken against immigration shares my position.

SOOOO, they are 'flaming hypocrites' also.' :thumbup:

You're welcome. :wave:

There you go again spouting out opinion like it is fact and calling people names...in your quest to stop bullying...

So you don't feel it is racist for you to assume someone that does not speak English is an illegal immigrant...Nice!

As for the developer (or the subcontractor) and the rule of law, he is only required to ask for identification of all employees and to keep a copy of the provided identification in the employees file. He is not required to be an identification expert, nor is he required to investigate any identification provided.

You have no proof that the employees are not already "American" (unless you only consider Caucasian Americans as American), you are just making more unfounded accusations...

You probably don't live in the Villages, of course you have no problem with your amenity fees doubling...2 x $0 is $0

You are a racist and a lying (unt, as proven in the cockroach thread...I believe Ol Don still has his boot on your neck and you have nothing to say about it!

MDLNB
01-27-2017, 10:38 AM
LOL :1rotfl:

You would have to be an idiot, not to know that since a large % of the people working on the common areas around here can't even speak English...that a significant number must be 'undocumented.' :oops:

You would have to be an even bigger idiot...not to know that The Developer knows this.

As I said, they should be prosecuted for breaking the law.

And your pathetic attempt to make excuses for the Morse's because they 'subcontract'... simply exhibits your continuing flaming hypocrisy. ;)

I personally have no problem with my amenities fee doubling by hiring Americans...but not everyone who is so outspoken against immigration shares my position.

SOOOO, they are 'flaming hypocrites' also.' :thumbup:

You're welcome. :wave:

I'm going to be civil, because I realize what I am replying to.

Those Latinos working in the common areas are NOT working for the Morses. They may very well have some working for them, but you seem to think that anyone working in The Villages is owned by Morse, which shows exactly how lacking in common sense and logic you are.

You still did not answer the question. Why do you live here if you hate it so much? I have yet to hear you say anything good about it. Are you stuck here? Is your mortgage under water? Or, is the answer being that you would be a miserable person anywhere you live? And then again, you may just be doing your best to be a TROLL and the point of that is to agitate everyone into an argument.

Don Baldwin
01-27-2017, 11:01 AM
LOL :1rotfl:

You would have to be an idiot, not to know that since a large % of the people working on the common areas around here can't even speak English...that a significant number must be 'undocumented.' :oops:

You would have to be an even bigger idiot...not to know that The Developer knows this.

As I said, they should be prosecuted for breaking the law.

And your pathetic attempt to make excuses for the Morse's because they 'subcontract'... simply exhibits your continuing flaming hypocrisy. ;)

I personally have no problem with my amenities fee doubling by hiring Americans...but not everyone who is so outspoken against immigration shares my position.

SOOOO, they are 'flaming hypocrites' also.' :thumbup:

You're welcome. :wave:

Hell must be as cold as it is here today...we agree...

Except with the cost...illegals are not much of a discount any more...they're demanding $10+ an hour.

We have 50 million on government assistance...there are your people to fill those job vacancies.

I'm going to be civil, because I realize what I am replying to.

Those Latinos working in the common areas are NOT working for the Morses. They may very well have some working for them, but you seem to think that anyone working in The Villages is owned by Morse, which shows exactly how lacking in common sense and logic you are.

You still did not answer the question. Why do you live here if you hate it so much? I have yet to hear you say anything good about it. Are you stuck here? Is your mortgage under water? Or, is the answer being that you would be a miserable person anywhere you live? And then again, you may just be doing your best to be a TROLL and the point of that is to agitate everyone into an argument.

Put in a simple clause: All contractors, subcontractors, and their respective employees will meet all current immigrant/citizenship documentation laws.

billethkid
01-27-2017, 11:11 AM
The real unemployment is still not being addressed.
It is still being measured as it has been for the past 8 plus years.

It does not take into account all that are in fact unemployed.....which would include those who have given up.

The smoke and mirrors presentation of unemployment is just that.....a political feel good measure....has little to do with reality.

Cedwards38
01-27-2017, 01:09 PM
If you are in favor or higher wages, the one thing that can drive up wages is a glut of available workers.

The unemployment rate is a phony number anyway. It only counts the number of people on the unemployment compensation rolls. It doesn't count people whose benefits have expired and have stopped looking for work. Nor does it count people who were laid of and took jobs for less money than they were making before.

The actual number of unemployed is much greater, (some sources say two or three times) than the "official" number.

But the good news is that the unemployment rate is calculated the same way for both Republican and Democrat administrations, and has been for decades. So, apples to apples............

Cedwards38
01-27-2017, 01:11 PM
The real unemployment is still not being addressed.
It is still being measured as it has been for the past 8 plus years.

It does not take into account all that are in fact unemployed.....which would include those who have given up.

The smoke and mirrors presentation of unemployment is just that.....a political feel good measure....has little to do with reality.

It's been calculated the same way for decades, over both Republican and Democrat administrations. Has to be in order to compare apples to apples.

Cedwards38
01-27-2017, 01:15 PM
And we can't produce any of those items here?

We can't produce Corona Beer. And the other things.......not for the same cost. And by the way, you know Mexico, and China, and any other country on which we slap a border tax is going to do the same thing to us.

Cedwards38
01-27-2017, 01:25 PM
Not me, I don't drink watered down pi$$.

:1rotfl:

You must have misread. I wasn't talking about Miller Lite. And apparently Americans like Corona pretty well. It's the #5 top selling beer in the country.

The 20 Most Popular Beers Indicate That, Deep Down, Americans Are Frat Boys | The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/popular-beers-in-america-_n_6787494.html)

MDLNB
01-27-2017, 02:42 PM
:1rotfl:

You must have misread. I wasn't talking about Miller Lite. And apparently Americans like Corona pretty well. It's the #5 top selling beer in the country.

The 20 Most Popular Beers Indicate That, Deep Down, Americans Are Frat Boys | The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/popular-beers-in-america-_n_6787494.html)

Huffington? One of George Soro's many properties? Should have figured. A yuppie beer for women and girly boys.

MDLNB
01-27-2017, 03:03 PM
Ooo, don't make Mexicans mad at us, or we may have to pay more for crap. Ooo, don't make the terrorists mad at us or they might attack us at home. OOo, don't make China mad at us or they might not loan us any more bail out money.

Well, we hold ALL the cards and it is about time that the rest of the world is made aware of that fact. If you can't afford the product, then you shouldn't be buying it. Time for liberals to realize that not everyone deserves to have what others have. If they don't work for it, or motivated enough to reach out for it, they don't deserve it. It is not in the Constitution that everyone gets a plush lifestyle. Americans too coddled and do not know what it is like to have nothing and have no food stamps and welfare available for them. They are spoiled and weak. Instead of taking three jobs to support their family, they leave their family. Instead of taking a low level job until they can do better, they demand that the gov give them a middle class lifestyle. My oh my, you won't be able to get your cheap @ss Mexican watered down pi$$ beer. Too bad. If you want to pay more for crap, then make more money. American beer is better anyway. If you want cheap, then take a trip to Mexico and enjoy their nasty culture along the border. Or, go to Mexico city and be kidnapped and taken to an ATM and robbed. Of course, you can always get the same environment by driving down to Miami. Just don't stop at the lights.

We pay for our National Security. Don't turn around and leave the door to your home open if you just had an alarm system installed.

Why should I worry about a low income person being able to afford an increased price of a Mexican beer or avocado? Live within your income and tell the gov to do the same thing.

rubicon
01-27-2017, 03:13 PM
Full employment is 5.5% of the work force is unemployed? Does this sound like a conflict in terms? More ridiculous political speak.

Full employment is when every able bodied American that wants to work has a job that is commensurate with their skills and abilities. An engineer working as a greeter in Wal-Mart should not be counted as fully employed.

Once every American that wants to work and is able to work is working at a job at their skill and ability level, we can begin bringing in foreign workers to fill the jobs that are needed.

When there are too many workers and not enough jobs, wages will increase. This is basic supply and demand from Economic 101. Wages won't need to be raised by some phony government number. Everyone will be earning what they deserve.

Dear Guest:

Actually the more revealing number is the % of people participating in the job market vis a vis unemployed. Last I recall it was about 62% or so.

However, you are correct in pointing out that the quantitative amount be it 5.5% or 62% is only one measure. Experts also have to review the qualitative aspect and that relates to the under-employed either because they are part time or because their work skills are not being used. The unspoken tragedy is that many professionals and trade skilled workers are out of their market so long that they are never re-employable to these positions

personal Best Regards:

hypocritehunter
01-27-2017, 03:47 PM
The only way to ever stop the problem, is to start prosecuting those who hire undocumented workers...and put them in jail! :mad:


So, I wonder which Morse family members will...'take one for the team?' :1rotfl:

:bigbow:

MDLNB
01-27-2017, 04:33 PM
:bigbow:

Don't get so close to his crack and you won't need to wave the stink away. :1rotfl:

autumnspring
01-27-2017, 05:10 PM
A man walks into a bar in The Villages.
"Bartender, I'll have a Corona," he says and flips a 5 dollar bill on the bar.
Bartender says, "The price has gone up from $5.00 to $6.00 to cover Trump's Mexican import tax."
Man puts another dollar on the bar and drinks his beer.

Remind me who's going to pay for that wall.

When, bought by the keg a beer costs about twenty five cents.
If, you bar is charging you $5.00 he might decide to eat the extra TARIFF cost. Or, you might decide to switch to a domestic brand.

I own a Chevy Malibu. While it is listed as a domestic car, what is more domestic than a Chevy? The car is only 60% made in the US. The transmission is made in Mexico.

We hear the threat of trade wars and we might see some.
I'm sure Mexico is exploring how they could retaliate. Stop selling us oil? Their shipping cost will go up dramatically. We would increase domestic production and perhaps buy more from Canada.

As TRUMP has clearly said he will negotiate deals that are GOOD FOR THE USA. If, you are worried about good for Mexico why do you live here?????

Rockyrd
01-27-2017, 05:19 PM
Ooo, don't make Mexicans mad at us, or we may have to pay more for crap. Ooo, don't make the terrorists mad at us or they might attack us at home. OOo, don't make China mad at us or they might not loan us any more bail out money.

Well, we hold ALL the cards and it is about time that the rest of the world is made aware of that fact. If you can't afford the product, then you shouldn't be buying it. Time for liberals to realize that not everyone deserves to have what others have. If they don't work for it, or motivated enough to reach out for it, they don't deserve it. It is not in the Constitution that everyone gets a plush lifestyle. Americans too coddled and do not know what it is like to have nothing and have no food stamps and welfare available for them. They are spoiled and weak. Instead of taking three jobs to support their family, they leave their family. Instead of taking a low level job until they can do better, they demand that the gov give them a middle class lifestyle. My oh my, you won't be able to get your cheap @ss Mexican watered down pi$$ beer. Too bad. If you want to pay more for crap, then make more money. American beer is better anyway. If you want cheap, then take a trip to Mexico and enjoy their nasty culture along the border. Or, go to Mexico city and be kidnapped and taken to an ATM and robbed. Of course, you can always get the same environment by driving down to Miami. Just don't stop at the lights.

We pay for our National Security. Don't turn around and leave the door to your home open if you just had an alarm system installed.

Why should I worry about a low income person being able to afford an increased price of a Mexican beer or avocado? Live within your income and tell the gov to do the same thing.

Sorry....a bit curious..

On what premise should a sovereign country pay for a wall we want to build on US land ?

Why should they pay ?

Never understood that.

autumnspring
01-27-2017, 05:23 PM
Well oresented. Was thinking of this earlier.

I honestly wish our new President succes, but find it a bit wacky as he embraces Russia, wants to lift sanctions on them, while fighting with Mexico who has not even said a bad word about us.

And lastly, listening to his talk in Philly where he speaks of using American processed steel for the pipeline, I wondered how much that will increase the cost.

By the way, on Fox, while he spoke, the scroll across the bottom said that our unemployment is so low that it has reached the number where economists call it no unemployment.

Same scroll said statistics show that illegal immigration has descended each year for the last few and is now at an almost all time low, although I might dispute that without more research because just prior to the election, seems there was a surge.

Again, taxes, trade, health care etc all need work, but just ignoring the blather and looking at facts, I am wondering a lot, especially about debt. Great to hear Ryan, at least mention the debt.

But you nailed who will pay for that wall, which if you read the wording could be a big fence instead.

How Low Can the Unemployment Rate Go? - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-low-can-the-unemployment-rate-go-1483645308)

"One key question for the U.S. labor market this year: How low can the unemployment rate actually go?"

In history, several times the US has found hidden labor.
In WWII we had Rossie the Riveter-at a time when far fewer women worked, compared to today and a woman who understood how a car works let a lone knew how to repair one was an eccentric, they had women making airplanes, ships, ammo, bombs etc. Today, with a disproportionate part of the population retired, they could find new labor by eliminating the oppressive penalty for earning good money while collecting social security. They could also adjust welfare benefits lower, forcing, if you prefer, encouraging people to get off the dole.

autumnspring
01-27-2017, 05:40 PM
Sorry....a bit curious..

On what premise should a sovereign country pay for a wall we want to build on US land ?

Why should they pay ?

Never understood that.

Of course Mexico does not WANT to pay for the wall.
You after tooooooo many progressive, LIBERAL years do not understand. Trump has said YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PAY FOR THE WALL. kUMBAYAH-clearly does not work. ASIDE_do the campfire girls even still exist???

Of course, some people will be hurt on both sides. Our EXPENSE of medical care, education, crime will go down or at least not grow. We have been told that unemployment of black youths is over 50%. If, there were jobs, IF THEY WERE FORCED TO WORK by cuts of welfare and lack of accepting the crime, they would discover if not pride the necessity of working for what you need and working for what you want.

Rockyrd
01-27-2017, 05:48 PM
Of course Mexico does not WANT to pay for the wall.
You after tooooooo many progressive, LIBERAL years do not understand. Trump has said YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PAY FOR THE WALL. kUMBAYAH-clearly does not work. ASIDE_do the campfire girls even still exist???

Of course, some people will be hurt on both sides. Our EXPENSE of medical care, education, crime will go down or at least not grow. We have been told that unemployment of black youths is over 50%. If, there were jobs, IF THEY WERE FORCED TO WORK by cuts of welfare and lack of accepting the crime, they would discover if not pride the necessity of working for what you need and working for what you want.

My question is...

ON WHAT AUTHORITY CAN OUR PRESIDENT DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY PAY FOR ANYTHING BUILT ON US LAND ?

dirtbanker
01-27-2017, 05:56 PM
My question is...

ON WHAT AUTHORITY CAN OUR PRESIDENT DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY PAY FOR ANYTHING BUILT ON US LAND ?
He can place a tariff on items coming from Mexico. If they don't want to pay the tariff, they can keep the product. If they pass the cost of the tariff to the customer, they are inviting more competition.

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Rockyrd
01-27-2017, 05:58 PM
He can place a tariff on items coming from Mexico. If they don't want to pay the tariff, they can keep the product. If they pass the cost of the tariff to the customer, they are inviting more competition.

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Again my question......

WHAT RIGHT DOES THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY HAVE TO DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTY PAY FOR ANYTHING IN THE USA ?

Fredster
01-27-2017, 06:11 PM
Again my question......

WHAT RIGHT DOES THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY HAVE TO DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTY PAY FOR ANYTHING IN THE USA ?

Seems like a fair request, since we have been paying for years,
healthcare, education, social service costs of
Mexican citizens who have entered our country,
and reside here illegally!
They are Mexican citizens, and I hope we are still a Sovereign country!

MDLNB
01-27-2017, 06:31 PM
Again my question......

WHAT RIGHT DOES THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY HAVE TO DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTY PAY FOR ANYTHING IN THE USA ?

Where does it say that he can't? Get over yourself.

They owe us Trillions for the cost of their invasion and occupying our country. Trump is only demanding that they pay back a few billion to pay for a way to keep their @sses out. Sneak into their country and see what happens when you get caught.

He can charge them a fee at the border and they WILL pay for the wall. Too bad that they didn't patrol their borders better.

THey are taking American jobs
They are jumping the line of proper immigration applicants
They are bringing diseases into our country.
They are smuggling drugs into our country.
They are committing crimes in our country
They are costing America billions every year.
They are bumping Americans out of college seats
They are stealing identities
Many of them are not paying taxes
They are causing Americans that hire them to commit crimes by hiring illegals.

Time to clean up the border and protect our fellow Americans.

dirtbanker
01-27-2017, 06:32 PM
Again my question......

WHAT RIGHT DOES THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY HAVE TO DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTY PAY FOR ANYTHING IN THE USA ?
Evidently you are not getting the response you were looking for. Why don't you explain why he can't place a tariff on Mexico products to cover the cost of the wall...



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Cedwards38
01-27-2017, 07:19 PM
When, bought by the keg a beer costs about twenty five cents.
If, you bar is charging you $5.00 he might decide to eat the extra TARIFF cost. Or, you might decide to switch to a domestic brand.

I own a Chevy Malibu. While it is listed as a domestic car, what is more domestic than a Chevy? The car is only 60% made in the US. The transmission is made in Mexico.

We hear the threat of trade wars and we might see some.
I'm sure Mexico is exploring how they could retaliate. Stop selling us oil? Their shipping cost will go up dramatically. We would increase domestic production and perhaps buy more from Canada.

As TRUMP has clearly said he will negotiate deals that are GOOD FOR THE USA. If, you are worried about good for Mexico why do you live here?????

I live here because the USA is my country just as much as yours and has been for all my life. Disagreeing with a conservative position does not mean that one is not patriotic or doesn't love America. On the contrary, I think America can be a better place just as you did during the Obama administration. Sorry neighbor, but "love it or leave it" is just a lame and meaningless argument. Don't forget that the majority of Americans voted for someone other than Trump, and much to your frustration, we aren't going away.

Secondly, in response to your last question (with five question marks) I've reread my post several times and I don't see any reference or verbiage that suggests that I am worried about what is good for Mexico. The post is about how the Trump Wall will be funded, and we all know that the American taxpayer and the American consumer will pay.

Rockyrd
01-27-2017, 07:29 PM
I live here because the USA is my country just as much as yours and has been for all my life. Disagreeing with a conservative position does not mean that one is not patriotic or love America. On the contrary, I think America can be a better place just as you did during the Obama administration. Sorry neighbor, but "love it or leave it" is just a lame and meaningless argument. Don't forget that the majority of Americans voted for someone other than Trump, and much to your frustration, we aren't going away.

Secondly, I've reread my post several times and I don't see any reference or verbiage that suggests that I am worried about what is good for Mexico. The post is about how the Trump Wall will be funded, and we all know that the American taxpayer and the American consumer will pay.

Just a note to support you on this.

These folks, should you in anyway question Mr Trump, will come at you, SANS FACTS, but with great vigor

Your OPINION must be shared by Trump, and be prepared...you are evidently, a libtard, Obama or Clinton lover, black or whatever the attack mode if the day is.

I support you because discussion should be welcomed on here. You will be lectured and ridiculed believe me...been there.

dirtbanker
01-27-2017, 07:59 PM
Cedwierds38 - You suspecting is not the same as you knowing.

We had no wall and supported the lazy the last 8 years...Trump wants the wall and Trump does not want to support the lazy for the next 8 years.

That sounds fine to me and if we paid for the wall...that is cheaper that supporting the lazy.
Maybe the wackadoodles can lay the brick to pay us back for all the money we have given them over the last 8 years.

I hope you old Obamma fans can handle change, because that is going to happen, weather you whine on here or not.

Don Baldwin
01-27-2017, 08:09 PM
:1rotfl:

You must have misread. I wasn't talking about Miller Lite. And apparently Americans like Corona pretty well. It's the #5 top selling beer in the country.

The 20 Most Popular Beers Indicate That, Deep Down, Americans Are Frat Boys | The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/popular-beers-in-america-_n_6787494.html)

Just because it's "popular", doesn't mean it's any good. Look at the sh!t on TV, it's popular...but it's also garbage. Popularity is more marketing than anything else.


Dear Guest:

Actually the more revealing number is the % of people participating in the job market vis a vis unemployed. Last I recall it was about 62% or so.

However, you are correct in pointing out that the quantitative amount be it 5.5% or 62% is only one measure. Experts also have to review the qualitative aspect and that relates to the under-employed either because they are part time or because their work skills are not being used. The unspoken tragedy is that many professionals and trade skilled workers are out of their market so long that they are never re-employable to these positions

personal Best Regards:

The bigger tragedy is all the minorities who were convinced to go to school, get a degree, and you'll get a job. Sorry...100,000 graduates and only 25,000 jobs means y'all wasted your (our) money. You're not getting hired, except by quota.

In history, several times the US has found hidden labor.
In WWII we had Rossie the Riveter-at a time when far fewer women worked, compared to today and a woman who understood how a car works let a lone knew how to repair one was an eccentric, they had women making airplanes, ships, ammo, bombs etc. Today, with a disproportionate part of the population retired, they could find new labor by eliminating the oppressive penalty for earning good money while collecting social security. They could also adjust welfare benefits lower, forcing, if you prefer, encouraging people to get off the dole.

Rosie the riveter is mostly propaganda. MEN supervised EVERYTHING, the women did the more unskilled work. It didn't say...Rosie the engineer or Rosie the rigger...it was riveter...ANYONE can rivet with 5 minutes training. Don't believe the propaganda.

Get rid of the Mexicans AND their anchor babies, get the welfare blacks (half the black population) off welfare and into those vacated jobs.

I live here because the USA is my country just as much as yours and has been for all my life. Disagreeing with a conservative position does not mean that one is not patriotic or love America. On the contrary, I think America can be a better place just as you did during the Obama administration. Sorry neighbor, but "love it or leave it" is just a lame and meaningless argument. Don't forget that the majority of Americans voted for someone other than Trump, and much to your frustration, we aren't going away.

Secondly, in response to your last question (with five question marks) I've reread my post several times and I don't see any reference or verbiage that suggests that I am worried about what is good for Mexico. The post is about how the Trump Wall will be funded, and we all know that the American taxpayer and the American consumer will pay.

They'll just "borrow" the money...it's what they do.

dirtbanker
01-27-2017, 08:20 PM
:1rotfl:

You must have misread. I wasn't talking about Miller Lite. And apparently Americans like Corona pretty well. It's the #5 top selling beer in the country.

You must have forgotten your racist claim earlier? Maybe it is all those undocumented workers that do not speak good English drinking that watered down pi$$??

dirtbanker
01-28-2017, 09:02 AM
LOL :1rotfl:

You would have to be an idiot, not to know that since a large % of the people working on the common areas around here can't even speak English...that a significant number must be 'undocumented.' :oops:

You would have to be an even bigger idiot...not to know that The Developer knows this.

As I said, they should be prosecuted for breaking the law.

And your pathetic attempt to make excuses for the Morse's because they 'subcontract'... simply exhibits your continuing flaming hypocrisy. ;)

I personally have no problem with my amenities fee doubling by hiring Americans...but not everyone who is so outspoken against immigration shares my position.

SOOOO, they are 'flaming hypocrites' also.' :thumbup:

You're welcome. :wave:

Thanks for that! :wave: