legal is better.

[tcxr750]

We focus on the cost, Wall not included, of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Legal is better.
Stop in at the local social security office in North East Ohio and look and listen. Always a few elderly people from the former Soviet Union. They arrived in a taxpayer subsidized van and are accompanied by a taxpayer subsidized translator. Once they get that first check they get priority occupancy at a subsidized apartment . Next is free medical.
While waiting in the Doctors office you see something amazing. If the doctor sees them 15 minutes later than scheduled they go into a tirade translated by the taxpayer subsidized translator who arrived in the subsidized van.
It bothers me that someone who contributed nothing to the system gets all the benefits and still has the temerity to show no respect for the system that supports them. IMO

[rubicon]

We focus on the cost, Wall not included, of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Legal is better.
Stop in at the local social security office in North East Ohio and look and listen. Always a few elderly people from the former Soviet Union. They arrived in a taxpayer subsidized van and are accompanied by a taxpayer subsidized translator. Once they get that first check they get priority occupancy at a subsidized apartment . Next is free medical.
While waiting in the Doctors office you see something amazing. If the doctor sees them 15 minutes later than scheduled they go into a tirade translated by the taxpayer subsidized translator who arrived in the subsidized van.
It bothers me that someone who contributed nothing to the system gets all the benefits and still has the temerity to show no respect for the system that supports them. IMO

You have defined a good portion of the problem in a very succinct and clear matter. Add to that the improper vetting and we are now dealing with a security problem. Add to that the reluctance to assimilate and you can see the adverse effects to our society both to costs and to unity.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

We focus on the cost, Wall not included, of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Legal is better.
Stop in at the local social security office in North East Ohio and look and listen. Always a few elderly people from the former Soviet Union. They arrived in a taxpayer subsidized van and are accompanied by a taxpayer subsidized translator. Once they get that first check they get priority occupancy at a subsidized apartment . Next is free medical.
While waiting in the Doctors office you see something amazing. If the doctor sees them 15 minutes later than scheduled they go into a tirade translated by the taxpayer subsidized translator who arrived in the subsidized van.
It bothers me that someone who contributed nothing to the system gets all the benefits and still has the temerity to show no respect for the system that supports them. IMO

Little stories are nice but can you validate any thing you said in this post ?

Anecdotes do not make a good begining for any discussion assuming that is your goal.

By the way, I support immigration reform and feel that congress had that going until the election and now it will take on a new twist. There was much in the way of immigration reform on the table for discussion.

I also acknowledge that with ANY regulations there will be abusers.....THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS UNIVERSAL and requires more than a uncredited story.

I posted on here about 5 years ago a story about my own personal experience with the OCCUPY WALL ST group in Tampa and was met with outage from BOTH the left and right about sharing only a personal story.

[Rockyrd]

You have defined a good portion of the problem in a very succinct and clear matter. Add to that the improper vetting and we are now dealing with a security problem. Add to that the reluctance to assimilate and you can see the adverse effects to our society both to costs and to unity.

Personal Best Regards:

Could you go into some detail with the vetting because...

"Trump’s order did not spell out specifically what additional steps he wants to see the Homeland Security and State departments to add to the country’s vetting system for refugees. Instead he directed officials to the review the refugee application and approval process to find any other security measures that can be added to prevent people who pose a threat from using the refugee program."

Two new Trump executive actions: extreme vetting, rebuilding military - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-military-extreme-vetting-executive-actions/)

So what vetting is Trump going to add ? What vetting do you want to see ?

[Rockyrd]

"A little over a year ago, then-Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States," until the country's leadership could "figure out what is going on."
Along the campaign trail, he modified this blanket ban to a suspension of “immigration from terror-prone regions, where vetting cannot safely occur,” which he promised to enact during his first 100 days in office.
And now, a week into Trump's presidency, he has tried to make good on that promise—or, at least, partly so. A draft proposal of an executive order obtained by Bloomberg News reportedly shows that Trump is poised to suspend all entry to the U.S. from seven Muslim-majority countries.
Notably missing from the blacklist, however, are several Muslim-majority countries where Trump has business dealings, according to Bloomberg.
The news organization has put together a map of the proposed suspensions, with the Muslim-majority countries where Trump has business interests—Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Azerbaijan

Trump'''s Immigration Ban Doesn'''t Include Countries with Business Links | Fortune.com (http://fortune.com/2017/01/27/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-ban-conflict/)

From TURKEY

"A primary school in Istanbul’s Umraniye neighborhood has recently prepared a “corner” remembering those who lost their lives during the abortive coup on July 15. A model of Sergeant Omer Halisdemir (who died that day), photos of armed soldiers describing the coup night, as well as models of tanks and people standing in front of tanks were put in the corner, with a caption that reads:

Whatever you do, you will not stop the rise of the Turkish nation. Whatever you do, the victory will be of Islam.
Journalists with the Turkish newspaper Evrensel called the principal of the Istanbul Chamber of Commerce Primary School (Istanbul Ticaret Odasý Ilkokulu) to ask about the banner. The principal hung up the phone after saying they “do not give information to journalists.”

Support for Radical Islam Spreads Across Turkey (https://pjmedia.com/blog/turkeys-radical-islamization-process-accelerating/)

Istanbul Attack: Turkey's Brutal Year in Terrorism - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/06/turkeys-brutal-year/489383/)

Can anyone suggest why Turkey is not on this "extreme vetting" list ???

[Rockyrd]

Trump business in Turkey....NOT ON THE EXTREME VET LIST

"Turkey
Trump has a licensing deal to use his name on two luxury towers in Istanbul, one commercial and the other residential. By his own admission, the project, for which he earned up to $5 million in 2015, presents complications for the incoming President. “I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump told his future White House strategist Steve Bannon in December 2015, during an interview on Bannon’s radio show. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.” Trump also has a licensing deal with Dorya International, a Turkish design company, to manufacture Trump branded furniture. These substantial holdings may already be shaping Trump’s stance toward Turkey, a key geopolitical ally and vital player in the fight against the Islamic State. Trump’s call for a ban on Muslims entering the U.S. drew sharp criticism from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan; soon after, Trump defended the Turkish strongman, saying he had a right to crack down on dissidents after a failed coup attempt. When Erdoğan called Trump after his election, according to media reports, Trump used the occasion to praise his Turkish business partners, whose corporate shares leaped after Election night. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Trump's incoming national security advisor, wrote an op-ed on Election Day that cast Fethullah Gülen, a cleric based in the U.S. whom Erdoğan publicly accused of orchestrating the failed coup, as a “radical.” As President, Trump will have the power to extradite Gülen.

Donald Trump'''s Many, Many Business Dealings in 1 Map | Time.com (http://time.com/4629308/donald-trump-business-deals-world-map/)

[hypocritehunter]

You have defined a good portion of the problem in a very succinct and clear matter. Add to that the improper vetting and we are now dealing with a security problem. Add to that the reluctance to assimilate and you can see the adverse effects to our society both to costs and to unity.

Personal Best Regards:

Improper vetting you say? Where did you learn that? Fox News?:a20:

[ColdNoMore]

Little stories are nice but can you validate any thing you said in this post ?

Anecdotes do not make a good begining for any discussion assuming that is your goal.

By the way, I support immigration reform and feel that congress had that going until the election and now it will take on a new twist. There was much in the way of immigration reform on the table for discussion.

I also acknowledge that with ANY regulations there will be abusers.....THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS UNIVERSAL and requires more than a uncredited story.

I posted on here about 5 years ago a story about my own personal experience with the OCCUPY WALL ST group in Tampa and was met with outage from BOTH the left and right about sharing only a personal story.

I too support immigration reform...as it's long overdue.

Although I don't see the right supporting amnesty like they did with Reagan...there has to be a path for citizenship.

My only issue is that it not be based on religion (or even lack thereof), ethnicity or color of skin.

Obviously, for a lot of Chump supporters that is unacceptable and the above criteria...must to be part of the equation. :mad:

In fact, Chump has already made his bigotry & discrimination...evident in his latest decree.

Trump suspends admission of refugees, increases vetting of Muslims; vows priority for Christians - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-refugee-order-20170127-story,amp.html)

President Donald Trump signed an order Friday to suspend admission of all refugees for 120 days while a new system is put in place to tighten vetting for those from predominantly Muslim countries and give preference to religious minorities.

Trump said that the goal is to screen out "radical Islamic terrorists" and that priority for admission would be given to Christians.


Someone remind me again, who was that other overseas despot back in the 30's who whipped up a public frenzy of anger and hatred...and thought he had a 'Final Solution?' :ohdear:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Trump business in Turkey....NOT ON THE EXTREME VET LIST

"Turkey
Trump has a licensing deal to use his name on two luxury towers in Istanbul, one commercial and the other residential. By his own admission, the project, for which he earned up to $5 million in 2015, presents complications for the incoming President. “I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump told his future White House strategist Steve Bannon in December 2015, during an interview on Bannon’s radio show. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.” Trump also has a licensing deal with Dorya International, a Turkish design company, to manufacture Trump branded furniture. These substantial holdings may already be shaping Trump’s stance toward Turkey, a key geopolitical ally and vital player in the fight against the Islamic State. Trump’s call for a ban on Muslims entering the U.S. drew sharp criticism from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan; soon after, Trump defended the Turkish strongman, saying he had a right to crack down on dissidents after a failed coup attempt. When Erdoğan called Trump after his election, according to media reports, Trump used the occasion to praise his Turkish business partners, whose corporate shares leaped after Election night. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Trump's incoming national security advisor, wrote an op-ed on Election Day that cast Fethullah Gülen, a cleric based in the U.S. whom Erdoğan publicly accused of orchestrating the failed coup, as a “radical.” As President, Trump will have the power to extradite Gülen.

Donald Trump'''s Many, Many Business Dealings in 1 Map | Time.com (http://time.com/4629308/donald-trump-business-deals-world-map/)

Is Turkey a breeding ground for Extreme Islamic Terrorists? The countries on the list are just that. It's a bit of a coincidence that none of the countries where he does business are on the list, but maybe it's because he doesn't do business in countries that are breeding extreme Islamic terrorists. Who does business in those countries?

Honestly, you people really need to find something else to complain about. Or how about just enjoying your retirement in this wonderful community.

[dirtbanker]

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My only issue is that it not be based on religion (or even lack thereof), ethnicity or color of skin.

WTF? I assume you would prefer it was based on their ability to speak English...

[Paper1]

We focus on the cost, Wall not included, of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Legal is better.
Stop in at the local social security office in North East Ohio and look and listen. Always a few elderly people from the former Soviet Union. They arrived in a taxpayer subsidized van and are accompanied by a taxpayer subsidized translator. Once they get that first check they get priority occupancy at a subsidized apartment . Next is free medical.
While waiting in the Doctors office you see something amazing. If the doctor sees them 15 minutes later than scheduled they go into a tirade translated by the taxpayer subsidized translator who arrived in the subsidized van.
It bothers me that someone who contributed nothing to the system gets all the benefits and still has the temerity to show no respect for the system that supports them. IMO

When almost half the voting population doesn't pay Federal income taxes and deficiet spending hardly raises an eyebrow this spiral to bottom will continue. I've been a supporter of a balanced budget amendment for some time now but think that possibility has long passed. Yes we have Republicans in all branches but the trouble is they like spending as well as Dems.

[dirtbanker]

Improper vetting you say? Where did you learn that? Fox News?:a20:

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.[1] The hijackers were organized into four teams, each led by a pilot-trained hijacker with three or four "muscle hijackers" who were trained to help subdue the pilots, passengers, and crew.
The first hijackers to arrive in the United States were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who settled in San Diego County, California in January 2000. They were followed by three hijacker-pilots, Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah in mid-2000 to undertake flight training in south Florida. The fourth hijacker-pilot, Hani Hanjour, arrived in San Diego in December 2000. The rest of the "muscle hijackers" arrived in early and mid-2001.

[Villagesperson]

When almost half the voting population doesn't pay Federal income taxes and deficiet spending hardly raises an eyebrow this spiral to bottom will continue. I've been a supporter of a balanced budget amendment for some time now but think that possibility has long passed. Yes we have Republicans in all branches but the trouble is they like spending as well as Dems.

I also am concerned about our deficit.

Thus far, there has been very little attention paid to that, except for a few comments by Ryan.

It becomes more real when we hear about commitment to using American steel and making that a legislative mandate..that will increase the cost of the pipeline into another strosphere. Our continuing bickering with Mexico and threatened tariffs will also be passed on to us.

Unless they do something soon, I see inflation and increase in country's debt, and a big one.

There is still time and there has been no dupiscussion, so hold out hope once we might hear specifics. Add to your premise, tax cuts and I sure hope the current actions do not suggest an increase in terrorism. It will, just naturally, give groups like ISIS a recruiting tool, and if we incur more costs to protect ourselves....

The philosophy behind Trump's words are nice to hear, and I sure hope he can pull some of it off.

Once he can get past the election, we may hear news on our budget.

[Rockyrd]

"Turkey hosts an entire sect of Islamists that recruit locals for fighting with ISIS in Syria to overthrow the Syrian government. But the many cases of young people joining ISIS from around the world via Turkey also illustrate Turkey’s central role in supporting global terror.


ISIS Recruitment: Turkey Breeding Ground for ISIS Terrorists in Syria | Word Matters! (http://www.ernestdempsey.com/isis-recruitment-turkey-breeding-ground-for-isis-terrorists-in-syria/)

"Turkey has witnessed the biggest increase in suspected people smugglers during the current refugee and migrant crisis engulfing Europe, according to Europol."

People smuggling: Turkey biggest breeding ground for traffickers | The Week UK (http://www.theweek.co.uk/76605/people-smuggling-turkey-biggest-breeding-ground-for-traffickers)

My reply to your advice is this. I CARE about what is happening. We have a President who is indebted, as he like to say on things "big league", to people in this area (due his poor record with bankruptcies he is unable to get credit in this country). He also said we will see his taxes to allow our citizens to have some idea where and to whom our President is indebted (his son has said and is on record saying BILLIONS in Russia) and he promised to divest himself of his business which he has not done.

I just wonder why Turkey is not on the list, and unbelievably neither is Afghanistan. He said, he will watch them closely and will strongly vet, to date not defined.

So the easy answer to your question is yes, they are terrorist friendly.

Not appreciative of you talking down to me as if I am stupid. Obviously I am aware and care to research....you obviously have not.

[Rockyrd]

From a few years ago...2 years


"As many as 1,000 Turks have joined ISIS, according to Turkish news media reports and government officials here. Recruits cite the group’s ideological appeal to disaffected youths as well as the money it pays fighters from its flush coffers. The C.I.A. estimated last week that the group had from 20,000 to 31,500 fighters in Iraq and Syria."

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/world/europe/turkey-is-a-steady-source-of-isis-recruits.html?_r=0

[ColdNoMore]

WTF? I assume you would prefer it was based on their ability to speak English...

LOL, you're even dumber than I thought. :1rotfl:

Not only is your reading comprehension/understanding almost non-existent...but you're really reaching now. :oops:

Let me type slower for you. ;)

Immigration reform should not try to restrict people from immigrating here, or pick/choose who can become American citizens...BASED ON religion/ethnicity/color of skin. :ho:

If that's too complicated for you...not my fault. :D





I'm betting that I didn't type slow enough even now though...LOL

[rubicon]

Dear Guests:

One cannot help but notice that with every fix President Trump makes progressive clamor with the same naysaying mantras and its all useless and non-contributing noise.

Rational people understand that life is complicated but solutions simple if you apply decisions directed to the benefit of this nation.

Take for instance the clamoring on these pages about vetting immigrants. Hmm seems to me the United States had a blueprint a 150 years ago when European immigrants had to stop at Ellis island

Obviously the manner in which we have been dealing with immigration has been a travesty and it needs to be reviewed and revised. and like fixing a leaky faucet you have to first turn off the flow of water.

Personal Best Regards:

[Don Baldwin]

It's WAY too late...they're already 1/3 the population...they're ALREADY the MAJORITY below age 7.

You GAVE them the country.

[Rockyrd]

Dear Guests:

One cannot help but notice that with every fix President Trump makes progressive clamor with the same naysaying mantras and its all useless and non-contributing noise.

Rational people understand that life is complicated but solutions simple if you apply decisions directed to the benefit of this nation.

Take for instance the clamoring on these pages about vetting immigrants. Hmm seems to me the United States had a blueprint a 150 years ago when European immigrants had to stop at Ellis island

Obviously the manner in which we have been dealing with immigration has been a travesty and it needs to be reviewed and revised. and like fixing a leaky faucet you have to first turn off the flow of water.

Personal Best Regards:

You truely have no clue. Without any real investigation at all, I would guess that you generalize people and posters, label them and then mock.

Do you really believe only liberals question this order ?

Nobody is clamoring about anything. Questions are being asked and real adults are talking.

Do you really want all Americans to be like you, i.e. Walking lockstep, believing only what the president says and if a question arise just keep quiet.

I am pro strong vetting. However, I am for doing homework first...how do we very now...what changes can we make, and if you are going to make this about only Muslim countries..how I'd you pick the ? Will these pass the legal test ? And as is being discussed, why not countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan or Turkey ?

You shallow thinking of "follow the leader" is sad...it really is

As always you present zero reasons for your thoughts other than your obvious total commitment to what you are told, which is nothing.

Do you ever get embarrassed by your lack of information and reading skills ?

[Don Baldwin]

When almost half the voting population doesn't pay Federal income taxes and deficiet spending hardly raises an eyebrow this spiral to bottom will continue. I've been a supporter of a balanced budget amendment for some time now but think that possibility has long passed. Yes we have Republicans in all branches but the trouble is they like spending as well as Dems.

NOW you're getting it...BOTH sides borrow and give to their friends through contracts. Each side just has different friends. Some corporations and the wealthy hedge their bets, support both sides, and win either way.

[dirtbanker]

You truely have no clue...BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....and if a question arise just keep quiet.

I am pro strong vetting. However, I am for doing homework first...how do we very now...what changes can we make, and if you are going to make this about only Muslim countries..how I'd you pick the ? Will these pass the legal test ? And as is being discussed, why not countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan or Turkey ?

You shallow thinking.. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...which is nothing.

Do you ever get embarrassed by your lack of information and reading skills ?

Rockface - Has anyone pointed out that your posts are a boring read? A lot of hypocrisy and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Your wife must fall asleep listening to your drivel, and it is not due to her old age. You don't need to type a paragraph just to insult someone, get to the point old man!

Your in favor of extreme vetting (the rest of your paragraph reads like something DimWitDave would type and I have no idea what your trying to say). So HOW WOULD YOU DO THE EXTREME VETTING?
Go ahead maybe your idea is better than Trump's, but lets hear it...Instead of a rant BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

Now please do not come back without telling us how you would do the vetting, just to insult someone with a paragraph of jiberish.

[Don Baldwin]

When almost half the voting population doesn't pay Federal income taxes and deficiet spending hardly raises an eyebrow this spiral to bottom will continue. I've been a supporter of a balanced budget amendment for some time now but think that possibility has long passed. Yes we have Republicans in all branches but the trouble is they like spending as well as Dems.

When MORE than half the population are Hispanic/black...the spiral to the bottom will intensify. We need to actively round up and kick out about 50 million, preferably more...Hispanics that SHOULDN'T be here. The illegals AND their anchor babies MUST go, or the country is lost.

LOL, you're even dumber than I thought. :1rotfl:

Not only is your reading comprehension/understanding almost non-existent...but you're really reaching now. :oops:

Let me type slower for you. ;)

Immigration reform should not try to restrict people from immigrating here, or pick/choose who can become American citizens...BASED ON religion/ethnicity/color of skin. :ho:

If that's too complicated for you...not my fault. :D





I'm betting that I didn't type slow enough even now though...LOL

Why not? ALL the evidence over the past almost 60 years has shown that white/asian immigrants are successful and IMPROVE the country as a whole. They "melt in", contribute, aren't a net drain. While "brown" immigrants are needy and destroy everywhere they go.

Prove me wrong. Show me I'm wrong. Why is it "racist" to point out verifiable characteristics of different species? We can talk about the difference between cats and dogs, it's not "offensive", so why can't we talk about the differences between Homo sapiens sapiens, homo sapiens africanus, and homo sapiens americanus?

The physical appearance is VERY different, the bone structure is different, musculature is different, physiological processes are different, mental processes are different, we suffer different diseases...WE'RE NOT THE SAME.

Dear Guests:

One cannot help but notice that with every fix President Trump makes progressive clamor with the same naysaying mantras and its all useless and non-contributing noise.

Rational people understand that life is complicated but solutions simple if you apply decisions directed to the benefit of this nation.

Take for instance the clamoring on these pages about vetting immigrants. Hmm seems to me the United States had a blueprint a 150 years ago when European immigrants had to stop at Ellis island

Obviously the manner in which we have been dealing with immigration has been a travesty and it needs to be reviewed and revised. and like fixing a leaky faucet you have to first turn off the flow of water.

Personal Best Regards:

How do you vet the uncivilized? How do you vet someone from a 3rd world ghetto? We couldn't vet the average gang banger in the inner city slums of America. They're part of the anonymous poor.

You could vet the white people coming from Europe because they came from 1st world civilized countries. They had organized records.

These immigrants we're getting now...could be anyone. They show up and say..."Hi, I'm Mohammad and I want to live in America" and we let them in.

Too late...it's been a gusher for too long. Now the illegals anchor babies have had their own kids and they're having kids too...they're the MAJORITY below age 7...the MAJORITY...that means America is lost within 30 years.

[dirtbanker]

Immigration reform should not try to restrict people from immigrating here, or pick/choose who can become American citizens...BASED ON religion/ethnicity/color of skin.

If that's too complicated for you...not my fault. :D

You trying to say something, or just typing words to waste time??

If immigration reform would not be restricting who or how many can immigrate here, what would it's purpose be?

The executive order addresses people entering the US from 7 countries. The executive order said nothing about "religion/ethnicity/color of skin". Those are your words in an attempt to bring those subjects to the discussion.

There is a desire to improve the screening of people coming to the US from areas of the world that are prone to violence against people that share the values that our citizens have (democracy, freedom of religion, etc). There have been terrorist acts committed around the globe, and in the US, by people that do not share our values. I support efforts to reduce the chance of these acts on our people.

You behave like a (unt; a mean and disagreeing woman, insulting, always inflammatory, and seldom provide anything other than coarse opinion of others...you accuse others of racism and then make comments in posts "people that do not speak English are undocumented immigrants"... You lie about contributing $100 to a charity, most would be too embarrassed for that...To date there have been 3 threads with your behavior as the subject matter, but you are unable to "change a leopards spots"...

[tcxr750]

If you want validation of my statements go to the social security office in Beachwood Ohio. Then sit a doctors office at the Hillcrest Medical Center. Note the disabled vans with signage in Russian used to transport elderly. The housing priority statement is based on conversation with a friend whose mother sought occupancy in a nearby apartment complex.
The point of my post. It is a fact of life that there are legal immigrants who still carry there attitude from the old country with them.
Life in Russia still has the persecuted seeking refuge in the US.

[ColdNoMore]

You trying to say something, or just typing words to waste time??

If immigration reform would not be restricting who or how many can immigrate here, what would it's purpose be?

The executive order addresses people entering the US from 7 countries. The executive order said nothing about "religion/ethnicity/color of skin". Those are your words in an attempt to bring those subjects to the discussion.

There is a desire to improve the screening of people coming to the US from areas of the world that are prone to violence against people that share the values that our citizens have (democracy, freedom of religion, etc). There have been terrorist acts committed around the globe, and in the US, by people that do not share our values. I support efforts to reduce the chance of these acts on our people.
You really are stupid.

The executive order makes an exception for 'religious minorities'... in those countries that are predominately Muslim.

Are you really too dumb to understand...that the intent is to make exceptions for Christians? :ohdear:

So of course...it is aimed solely at Muslims.

And the reason that is unacceptable, is because that is NOT what this country stands for, nor will true Americans allow putrid, xenophobic, racist jerks like Chump and you...change it. :wave:

So now tell us why the predominately Muslim countries that have actually had citizens attack on American soil...ARE NOT included?

Trump's Immigration Freeze Omits Those Linked To Deadly Attacks In U.S. : Parallels : NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/01/27/511861645/trumps-immigration-freeze-omits-those-linked-to-deadly-attacks-in-u-s)

President Trump's freeze on immigration from seven mostly Muslim countries cites the potential threat of terrorism.

But here's the twist — it doesn't include any countries from which radicalized Muslims have actually killed Americans in the U.S. since Sept. 11, 2001.

Similarly, the Boston Marathon bombing was carried out by two brothers, Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who were born and raised in southern Russia, another country not on the White House list.

And you think it is just coincidence, that those countries excluded... are ones where Chump has business interests?

What flaming ignorance and hypocrisy. :oops:



You behave like a (unt; a mean and disagreeing woman, insulting, always inflammatory, and seldom provide anything other than coarse opinion of others...you accuse others of racism and then make comments in posts "people that do not speak English are undocumented immigrants"... You lie about contributing $100 to a charity, most would be too embarrassed for that...To date there have been 3 threads with your behavior as the subject matter, but you are unable to "change a leopards spots"...

LOL

Three or four misogynist, racist, bigoted, lying, hypocritical, xenophobic, homophobic and general gutter scum... whining about me telling the truth? :D

Like I fvcking care. :1rotfl:

:wave:

[dirtbanker]

The executive order makes an exception for 'religious minorities'... in those countries that are predominately Muslim.

...to make exceptions for Christians?

So of course...it is aimed solely at Muslims.

And the reason that is unacceptable, is because that is NOT what this country stands for, nor will true Americans allow putrid, xenophobic, racist jerks like Chump and you...change it.

Interesting point. If we follow your logic and examine Obamma's action of preventing the minority Christians from entering the country = Obamma was a putrid, xenophobic, racist jerk and you never said a word about it, you are just as guilty as he is!


So now tell us why the predominately Muslim countries that have actually had citizens attack on American soil...ARE NOT included?

Trump's Immigration Freeze Omits Those Linked To Deadly Attacks In U.S. : Parallels : NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/01/27/511861645/trumps-immigration-freeze-omits-those-linked-to-deadly-attacks-in-u-s)



And you think it is just coincidence, that those countries excluded... are ones where Chump has business interests?

That has to be it...or is it for another reason?? Maybe they speak better English. Neither of us knows, do we? You just want to make $hit up! I know we recently sent 221 million to Palestine, but not sure who was doing business there - do you???

whining about me telling the truth? :D

Like I fvcking care.

Yeah, you mean like the $100 you donated to charity, that kind of TRUTH??