We focus on the cost, Wall not included, of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Legal is better.
Stop in at the local social security office in North East Ohio and look and listen. Always a few elderly people from the former Soviet Union. They arrived in a taxpayer subsidized van and are accompanied by a taxpayer subsidized translator. Once they get that first check they get priority occupancy at a subsidized apartment . Next is free medical.
While waiting in the Doctors office you see something amazing. If the doctor sees them 15 minutes later than scheduled they go into a tirade translated by the taxpayer subsidized translator who arrived in the subsidized van.
It bothers me that someone who contributed nothing to the system gets all the benefits and still has the temerity to show no respect for the system that supports them. IMO

Originally Posted by Guest

We focus on the cost, Wall not included, of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Legal is better.
Stop in at the local social security office in North East Ohio and look and listen. Always a few elderly people from the former Soviet Union. They arrived in a taxpayer subsidized van and are accompanied by a taxpayer subsidized translator. Once they get that first check they get priority occupancy at a subsidized apartment . Next is free medical.
While waiting in the Doctors office you see something amazing. If the doctor sees them 15 minutes later than scheduled they go into a tirade translated by the taxpayer subsidized translator who arrived in the subsidized van.
It bothers me that someone who contributed nothing to the system gets all the benefits and still has the temerity to show no respect for the system that supports them. IMO

You have defined a good portion of the problem in a very succinct and clear matter. Add to that the improper vetting and we are now dealing with a security problem. Add to that the reluctance to assimilate and you can see the adverse effects to our society both to costs and to unity.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

We focus on the cost, Wall not included, of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Legal is better.
Stop in at the local social security office in North East Ohio and look and listen. Always a few elderly people from the former Soviet Union. They arrived in a taxpayer subsidized van and are accompanied by a taxpayer subsidized translator. Once they get that first check they get priority occupancy at a subsidized apartment . Next is free medical.
While waiting in the Doctors office you see something amazing. If the doctor sees them 15 minutes later than scheduled they go into a tirade translated by the taxpayer subsidized translator who arrived in the subsidized van.
It bothers me that someone who contributed nothing to the system gets all the benefits and still has the temerity to show no respect for the system that supports them. IMO

Little stories are nice but can you validate any thing you said in this post ?

Anecdotes do not make a good begining for any discussion assuming that is your goal.

By the way, I support immigration reform and feel that congress had that going until the election and now it will take on a new twist. There was much in the way of immigration reform on the table for discussion.

I also acknowledge that with ANY regulations there will be abusers.....THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS UNIVERSAL and requires more than a uncredited story.

I posted on here about 5 years ago a story about my own personal experience with the OCCUPY WALL ST group in Tampa and was met with outage from BOTH the left and right about sharing only a personal story.

Originally Posted by Guest

You have defined a good portion of the problem in a very succinct and clear matter. Add to that the improper vetting and we are now dealing with a security problem. Add to that the reluctance to assimilate and you can see the adverse effects to our society both to costs and to unity.

Personal Best Regards:

Could you go into some detail with the vetting because...

"Trump’s order did not spell out specifically what additional steps he wants to see the Homeland Security and State departments to add to the country’s vetting system for refugees. Instead he directed officials to the review the refugee application and approval process to find any other security measures that can be added to prevent people who pose a threat from using the refugee program."

Two new Trump executive actions: extreme vetting, rebuilding military - CBS News

So what vetting is Trump going to add ? What vetting do you want to see ?

"A little over a year ago, then-Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States," until the country's leadership could "figure out what is going on."
Along the campaign trail, he modified this blanket ban to a suspension of “immigration from terror-prone regions, where vetting cannot safely occur,” which he promised to enact during his first 100 days in office.
And now, a week into Trump's presidency, he has tried to make good on that promise—or, at least, partly so. A draft proposal of an executive order obtained by Bloomberg News reportedly shows that Trump is poised to suspend all entry to the U.S. from seven Muslim-majority countries.
Notably missing from the blacklist, however, are several Muslim-majority countries where Trump has business dealings, according to Bloomberg.
The news organization has put together a map of the proposed suspensions, with the Muslim-majority countries where Trump has business interests—Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Azerbaijan

Trump'''s Immigration Ban Doesn'''t Include Countries with Business Links | Fortune.com

From TURKEY

"A primary school in Istanbul’s Umraniye neighborhood has recently prepared a “corner” remembering those who lost their lives during the abortive coup on July 15. A model of Sergeant Omer Halisdemir (who died that day), photos of armed soldiers describing the coup night, as well as models of tanks and people standing in front of tanks were put in the corner, with a caption that reads:

Whatever you do, you will not stop the rise of the Turkish nation. Whatever you do, the victory will be of Islam.
Journalists with the Turkish newspaper Evrensel called the principal of the Istanbul Chamber of Commerce Primary School (Istanbul Ticaret Odasý Ilkokulu) to ask about the banner. The principal hung up the phone after saying they “do not give information to journalists.”

Support for Radical Islam Spreads Across Turkey

Istanbul Attack: Turkey's Brutal Year in Terrorism - The Atlantic

Can anyone suggest why Turkey is not on this "extreme vetting" list ???

Trump business in Turkey....NOT ON THE EXTREME VET LIST

"Turkey
Trump has a licensing deal to use his name on two luxury towers in Istanbul, one commercial and the other residential. By his own admission, the project, for which he earned up to $5 million in 2015, presents complications for the incoming President. “I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump told his future White House strategist Steve Bannon in December 2015, during an interview on Bannon’s radio show. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.” Trump also has a licensing deal with Dorya International, a Turkish design company, to manufacture Trump branded furniture. These substantial holdings may already be shaping Trump’s stance toward Turkey, a key geopolitical ally and vital player in the fight against the Islamic State. Trump’s call for a ban on Muslims entering the U.S. drew sharp criticism from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan; soon after, Trump defended the Turkish strongman, saying he had a right to crack down on dissidents after a failed coup attempt. When Erdoğan called Trump after his election, according to media reports, Trump used the occasion to praise his Turkish business partners, whose corporate shares leaped after Election night. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Trump's incoming national security advisor, wrote an op-ed on Election Day that cast Fethullah Gülen, a cleric based in the U.S. whom Erdoğan publicly accused of orchestrating the failed coup, as a “radical.” As President, Trump will have the power to extradite Gülen.

Donald Trump'''s Many, Many Business Dealings in 1 Map | Time.com

Originally Posted by Guest

You have defined a good portion of the problem in a very succinct and clear matter. Add to that the improper vetting and we are now dealing with a security problem. Add to that the reluctance to assimilate and you can see the adverse effects to our society both to costs and to unity.

Personal Best Regards:

Improper vetting you say? Where did you learn that? Fox News?

Originally Posted by Guest

Little stories are nice but can you validate any thing you said in this post ?

Anecdotes do not make a good begining for any discussion assuming that is your goal.

By the way, I support immigration reform and feel that congress had that going until the election and now it will take on a new twist. There was much in the way of immigration reform on the table for discussion.

I also acknowledge that with ANY regulations there will be abusers.....THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS UNIVERSAL and requires more than a uncredited story.

I posted on here about 5 years ago a story about my own personal experience with the OCCUPY WALL ST group in Tampa and was met with outage from BOTH the left and right about sharing only a personal story.

I too support immigration reform...as it's long overdue.

Although I don't see the right supporting amnesty like they did with Reagan...there has to be a path for citizenship.

My only issue is that it not be based on religion (or even lack thereof), ethnicity or color of skin.

Obviously, for a lot of Chump supporters that is unacceptable and the above criteria...must to be part of the equation.

In fact, Chump has already made his bigotry & discrimination...evident in his latest decree.

Trump suspends admission of refugees, increases vetting of Muslims; vows priority for Christians - Chicago Tribune

President Donald Trump signed an order Friday to suspend admission of all refugees for 120 days while a new system is put in place to tighten vetting for those from predominantly Muslim countries and give preference to religious minorities.

Trump said that the goal is to screen out "radical Islamic terrorists" and that priority for admission would be given to Christians.

Someone remind me again, who was that other overseas despot back in the 30's who whipped up a public frenzy of anger and hatred...and thought he had a 'Final Solution?'

Originally Posted by Guest

Trump business in Turkey....NOT ON THE EXTREME VET LIST

"Turkey
Trump has a licensing deal to use his name on two luxury towers in Istanbul, one commercial and the other residential. By his own admission, the project, for which he earned up to $5 million in 2015, presents complications for the incoming President. “I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump told his future White House strategist Steve Bannon in December 2015, during an interview on Bannon’s radio show. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.” Trump also has a licensing deal with Dorya International, a Turkish design company, to manufacture Trump branded furniture. These substantial holdings may already be shaping Trump’s stance toward Turkey, a key geopolitical ally and vital player in the fight against the Islamic State. Trump’s call for a ban on Muslims entering the U.S. drew sharp criticism from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan; soon after, Trump defended the Turkish strongman, saying he had a right to crack down on dissidents after a failed coup attempt. When Erdoğan called Trump after his election, according to media reports, Trump used the occasion to praise his Turkish business partners, whose corporate shares leaped after Election night. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Trump's incoming national security advisor, wrote an op-ed on Election Day that cast Fethullah Gülen, a cleric based in the U.S. whom Erdoğan publicly accused of orchestrating the failed coup, as a “radical.” As President, Trump will have the power to extradite Gülen.

Donald Trump'''s Many, Many Business Dealings in 1 Map | Time.com

Is Turkey a breeding ground for Extreme Islamic Terrorists? The countries on the list are just that. It's a bit of a coincidence that none of the countries where he does business are on the list, but maybe it's because he doesn't do business in countries that are breeding extreme Islamic terrorists. Who does business in those countries?

Honestly, you people really need to find something else to complain about. Or how about just enjoying your retirement in this wonderful community.

Originally Posted by Racist(unt

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My only issue is that it not be based on religion (or even lack thereof), ethnicity or color of skin.

WTF? I assume you would prefer it was based on their ability to speak English...

Originally Posted by Guest

We focus on the cost, Wall not included, of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Legal is better.
Stop in at the local social security office in North East Ohio and look and listen. Always a few elderly people from the former Soviet Union. They arrived in a taxpayer subsidized van and are accompanied by a taxpayer subsidized translator. Once they get that first check they get priority occupancy at a subsidized apartment . Next is free medical.
While waiting in the Doctors office you see something amazing. If the doctor sees them 15 minutes later than scheduled they go into a tirade translated by the taxpayer subsidized translator who arrived in the subsidized van.
It bothers me that someone who contributed nothing to the system gets all the benefits and still has the temerity to show no respect for the system that supports them. IMO

When almost half the voting population doesn't pay Federal income taxes and deficiet spending hardly raises an eyebrow this spiral to bottom will continue. I've been a supporter of a balanced budget amendment for some time now but think that possibility has long passed. Yes we have Republicans in all branches but the trouble is they like spending as well as Dems.

Originally Posted by Guest

Improper vetting you say? Where did you learn that? Fox News?

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.[1] The hijackers were organized into four teams, each led by a pilot-trained hijacker with three or four "muscle hijackers" who were trained to help subdue the pilots, passengers, and crew.
The first hijackers to arrive in the United States were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who settled in San Diego County, California in January 2000. They were followed by three hijacker-pilots, Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah in mid-2000 to undertake flight training in south Florida. The fourth hijacker-pilot, Hani Hanjour, arrived in San Diego in December 2000. The rest of the "muscle hijackers" arrived in early and mid-2001.

Originally Posted by Guest

When almost half the voting population doesn't pay Federal income taxes and deficiet spending hardly raises an eyebrow this spiral to bottom will continue. I've been a supporter of a balanced budget amendment for some time now but think that possibility has long passed. Yes we have Republicans in all branches but the trouble is they like spending as well as Dems.

I also am concerned about our deficit.

Thus far, there has been very little attention paid to that, except for a few comments by Ryan.

It becomes more real when we hear about commitment to using American steel and making that a legislative mandate..that will increase the cost of the pipeline into another strosphere. Our continuing bickering with Mexico and threatened tariffs will also be passed on to us.

Unless they do something soon, I see inflation and increase in country's debt, and a big one.

There is still time and there has been no dupiscussion, so hold out hope once we might hear specifics. Add to your premise, tax cuts and I sure hope the current actions do not suggest an increase in terrorism. It will, just naturally, give groups like ISIS a recruiting tool, and if we incur more costs to protect ourselves....

The philosophy behind Trump's words are nice to hear, and I sure hope he can pull some of it off.

Once he can get past the election, we may hear news on our budget.

"Turkey hosts an entire sect of Islamists that recruit locals for fighting with ISIS in Syria to overthrow the Syrian government. But the many cases of young people joining ISIS from around the world via Turkey also illustrate Turkey’s central role in supporting global terror.


ISIS Recruitment: Turkey Breeding Ground for ISIS Terrorists in Syria | Word Matters!

"Turkey has witnessed the biggest increase in suspected people smugglers during the current refugee and migrant crisis engulfing Europe, according to Europol."

People smuggling: Turkey biggest breeding ground for traffickers | The Week UK

My reply to your advice is this. I CARE about what is happening. We have a President who is indebted, as he like to say on things "big league", to people in this area (due his poor record with bankruptcies he is unable to get credit in this country). He also said we will see his taxes to allow our citizens to have some idea where and to whom our President is indebted (his son has said and is on record saying BILLIONS in Russia) and he promised to divest himself of his business which he has not done.

I just wonder why Turkey is not on the list, and unbelievably neither is Afghanistan. He said, he will watch them closely and will strongly vet, to date not defined.

So the easy answer to your question is yes, they are terrorist friendly.

Not appreciative of you talking down to me as if I am stupid. Obviously I am aware and care to research....you obviously have not.

From a few years ago...2 years


"As many as 1,000 Turks have joined ISIS, according to Turkish news media reports and government officials here. Recruits cite the group’s ideological appeal to disaffected youths as well as the money it pays fighters from its flush coffers. The C.I.A. estimated last week that the group had from 20,000 to 31,500 fighters in Iraq and Syria."

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/w...uits.html?_r=0