Pre Existing Conditions

[Warren Kiefer]

It is my under standing that even though Trump and his supporters continue to tell America that we will have health coverage for pre existing conditions, this is not actually true.. The latest Trumpcare proposal containing the MacArthur amendment will give each individual State the choice of what will be covered. If a particular chooses to not cover diabetes, heart failure, cancer or any other pre existing health problem, IT WILL NOT BE COVERED.

[Don Baldwin]

It is my under standing that even though Trump and his supporters continue to tell America that we will have health coverage for pre existing conditions, this is not actually true.. The latest Trumpcare proposal containing the MacArthur amendment will give each individual State the choice of what will be covered. If a particular chooses to not cover diabetes, heart failure, cancer or any other pre existing health problem, IT WILL NOT BE COVERED.

If it's due to lifestyle choices then it shouldn't be covered.

Lung cancer from a smoker no...diabetes from too much sugar no...heart disease in someone who does no exercise no...anything from obesity no. You get the drift...

We also CAN'T afford to keep people alive who need multiple $ thousands a month in healthcare. People/family needs to be realistic.

[cologal]

If it's due to lifestyle choices then it shouldn't be covered.

Lung cancer from a smoker no...diabetes from too much sugar no...heart disease in someone who does no exercise no...anything from obesity no. You get the drift...

We also CAN'T afford to keep people alive who need multiple $ thousands a month in healthcare. People/family needs to be realistic.

Your example for lung cancer is valid however, many people get lung cancer who have never smoked. How you are way off base on the others. Ever heard of juvenile disease? Heart disease can be hereditary?

Its the same old Republican BS......

[Don Baldwin]

Your example for lung cancer is valid however, many people get lung cancer who have never smoked. How you are way off base on the others. Ever heard of juvenile disease? Heart disease can be hereditary?

Its the same old Republican BS......

No...the same old LIBERAL BS...we can't afford to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. We already borrow over a $ trillion a year...a stack of $1 bills 67,000 miles tall...or almost 3X circling the planet.

[RickeyD]

No...the same old LIBERAL BS...we can't afford to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. We already borrow over a $ trillion a year...a stack of $1 bills 67,000 miles tall...or almost 3X circling the planet.



Nice try Don, worked for Ray Gun, won't work for you [emoji3]

[MDLNB]

Nice try Don, worked for Ray Gun, won't work for you [emoji3]

The truth certainly bursts your fantasy socialist utopia bubble, doesn't it? Tell us how you care so much for children while you bankrupt their country for them.

[Don Baldwin]

The truth certainly bursts your fantasy socialist utopia bubble, doesn't it? Tell us how you care so much for children while you bankrupt their country for them.

Or WHY they're allowing it to become Mexico II?

I guess they've never been to a border town like El Paso.

http://pics.city-data.com/craces2/24640.jpg

Ever been there? It sucks...

[rubicon]

The pre-exiting condition was an underwriting rule required to keep health insurance premiums reasonable. It was removed under Obamacare and once removed will never be reinforced ( ie the genie's out of the bottle) So how do we deal with this reality?

Better health lifestyles help. Preventive health care helps. A better understanding of DNA studies to detect inherited disease is also a factor. better technology.

As to insurance a subsidy of some sort is a reality.

The truth of the matter is that Obamacare in the long run ended up with the same number of people without insurance.

Obamacare was a solution waiting for a problem.

Better that the government looked at those who did not have coverage and provided some sort of subsidized catastrophic insurance and let the health and insurance in tact

But Obama was really after control of healthcare with a single payer plan owing to his socialist ideology and desire to control.

Human nature dictates that despite its dismal results of Obamacare people will demand a continuation in some form.

Personal Best Regards:

[Paper1]

It is my under standing that even though Trump and his supporters continue to tell America that we will have health coverage for pre existing conditions, this is not actually true.. The latest Trumpcare proposal containing the MacArthur amendment will give each individual State the choice of what will be covered. If a particular chooses to not cover diabetes, heart failure, cancer or any other pre existing health problem, IT WILL NOT BE COVERED.

Another post that tries to generate some intelligent dialog about a very serious problem killed by the wing nut contingent. Thanks for trying.

[cologal]

No...the same old LIBERAL BS...we can't afford to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. We already borrow over a $ trillion a year...a stack of $1 bills 67,000 miles tall...or almost 3X circling the planet.

How will you personally be taking care of them if they are buying healthcare insurance?

[Sandtrap328]

So, your grandchild is born with a serious heart defect, you would have the parents foot the entire medical bills with no insurance?

They would soon be wiped out.

Or just say the kid was unlucky in being born unhealthy and let him die?

[cologal]

The pre-exiting condition was an underwriting rule required to keep health insurance premiums reasonable. It was removed under Obamacare and once removed will never be reinforced ( ie the genie's out of the bottle) So how do we deal with this reality?

Better health lifestyles help. Preventive health care helps. A better understanding of DNA studies to detect inherited disease is also a factor. better technology.

As to insurance a subsidy of some sort is a reality.

The truth of the matter is that Obamacare in the long run ended up with the same number of people without insurance.

Obamacare was a solution waiting for a problem.

Better that the government looked at those who did not have coverage and provided some sort of subsidized catastrophic insurance and let the health and insurance in tact

But Obama was really after control of healthcare with a single payer plan owing to his socialist ideology and desire to control.

Human nature dictates that despite its dismal results of Obamacare people will demand a continuation in some form.

Personal Best Regards:

That may have been true at the beginning, however all pretense of that went out the window went out the window when the insurance company refused to cover a newborn baby with a heart defect!

I agree with the preexisting condition clause in the new Healthcare Bill if the states were not able to opt out. If the reporting is correct this preexisting condition cause is time limited.

[Don Baldwin]

How will you personally be taking care of them if they are buying healthcare insurance?

Really Colorado? Really? Those receiving welfare don't pay a dime for healthcare, they have medicaid which is BETTER coverage than medicare because there are NO deductibles.

Those on "Obamacare" pay the $1,000 maximum tax for 12X that value in coverage.

The AVERAGE person uses about $1 million in healthcare costs in a lifetime. They'd HAVE to have made 960, 80 years worth of $1,000 a month payments to break even in the costs they incurred.

We spend as a country a $ trillion a year providing healthcare...the cost keep going up...it's unsustainable.

The poor can't expect the rest of us to provide for them from cradle to grave. They can't expect us to keep them healthy so we can pay their support longer. It's going to be tough...there's going to be a lot of screaming and wailing...but it must happen. The WORST part is...80% of the poor are black/Hispanic.

[Don Baldwin]

So, your grandchild is born with a serious heart defect, you would have the parents foot the entire medical bills with no insurance?

They would soon be wiped out.

Or just say the kid was unlucky in being born unhealthy and let him die?

Yes...if the family can't/won't foot the bill. It's not MY job to pay to heroically do whatever it takes to save a life. If they're not healthy enough to survive on their own...maybe nature/God wanted it that way.

The 4 month early preemies that are being saved only to have costly problems their entire, short, troubled lives SHOULD be allowed to die. ESPECIALLY if the family is poor and on welfare. If you don't like those breaks...you ARE free to make yourself wealthier. Maybe it's ability? Then DO we want those genes passed along?

[Sandtrap328]

Yes...if the family can't/won't foot the bill. It's not MY job to pay to heroically do whatever it takes to save a life. If they're not healthy enough to survive on their own...maybe nature/God wanted it that way.

The 4 month early preemies that are being saved only to have costly problems their entire, short, troubled lives SHOULD be allowed to die. ESPECIALLY if the family is poor and on welfare. If you don't like those breaks...you ARE free to make yourself wealthier. Maybe it's ability? Then DO we want those genes passed along?

Would you be saying the same thing if it was your grandchild?

Now, I know that is only a hypothetical question since you would not have ever had a woman drunk enough to procreate. Thank goodness!

[wjboyer1]

Really Colorado? Really? Those receiving welfare don't pay a dime for healthcare, they have medicaid which is BETTER coverage than medicare because there are NO deductibles.

Those on "Obamacare" pay the $1,000 maximum tax for 12X that value in coverage.

The AVERAGE person uses about $1 million in healthcare costs in a lifetime. They'd HAVE to have made 960, 80 years worth of $1,000 a month payments to break even in the costs they incurred.

We spend as a country a $ trillion a year providing healthcare...the cost keep going up...it's unsustainable.

The poor can't expect the rest of us to provide for them from cradle to grave. They can't expect us to keep them healthy so we can pay their support longer. It's going to be tough...there's going to be a lot of screaming and wailing...but it must happen. The WORST part is...80% of the poor are black/Hispanic.

Hmmm.....looks like you dabble in Actuarial Sciences, but of course you only see what you want to see. Actuarially, your premise is false, your analysis is false, therefore your conclusion is false. You seem to reiterate these numbers in a great number of other posts, but you cannot support them with verifiable facts. You don't seem to think that an opinion that is not supported by factual information is the same as lying, but it really is. So, to all who actually think that this opinion is as good as fact, you might want to creep back into your mid-50's bomb shelter and keep eating the foodstuffs you hoarded.

[dirtbanker]

It is my under standing that even though Trump and his supporters continue to tell America that we will have health coverage for pre existing conditions, this is not actually true.. The latest Trumpcare proposal containing the MacArthur amendment will give each individual State the choice of what will be covered. If a particular chooses to not cover diabetes, heart failure, cancer or any other pre existing health problem, IT WILL NOT BE COVERED.
What are you saying...you don't feel your state elected officials can be trusted??
Do you even vote???


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[cologal]

Really Colorado? Really? Those receiving welfare don't pay a dime for healthcare, they have medicaid which is BETTER coverage than medicare because there are NO deductibles.

Those on "Obamacare" pay the $1,000 maximum tax for 12X that value in coverage.

The AVERAGE person uses about $1 million in healthcare costs in a lifetime. They'd HAVE to have made 960, 80 years worth of $1,000 a month payments to break even in the costs they incurred.

We spend as a country a $ trillion a year providing healthcare...the cost keep going up...it's unsustainable.

The poor can't expect the rest of us to provide for them from cradle to grave. They can't expect us to keep them healthy so we can pay their support longer. It's going to be tough...there's going to be a lot of screaming and wailing...but it must happen. The WORST part is...80% of the poor are black/Hispanic.

In this case I thought we were talking about the replacement of Obamacare. Medicaid and I would suggest Medical Disability are open for discussion.

BTW I am on Medicare but I pay only premiums, no deductible or copays. AARP United Healthcare Plan F.

[dillywho]

Your example for lung cancer is valid however, many people get lung cancer who have never smoked. How you are way off base on the others. Ever heard of juvenile disease? Heart disease can be hereditary?

Its the same old Republican BS......

Trust me, it is not same old Republican BS....I totally disagree with this person, who seems to think that he/she NEVER sinned in this life or participated in ANYTHING that just might be detrimental to health, is the only one worthy of being on this planet.

[MDLNB]

So, your grandchild is born with a serious heart defect, you would have the parents foot the entire medical bills with no insurance?

They would soon be wiped out.

Or just say the kid was unlucky in being born unhealthy and let him die?

Hey, you know the old saying "sh*t happens, right?" Sorry, but I don't mind helping someone when I have a choice, but I don't like being forced to pay for someone else. We are still not a Socialist country, and I hope we never are. My family comes first.

[dillywho]

Hey, you know the old saying "sh*t happens, right?" Sorry, but I don't mind helping someone when I have a choice, but I don't like being forced to pay for someone else. We are still not a Socialist country, and I hope we never are. My family comes first.

And your family is the only one in America that is important. Newsflash for you: Everyone else's family is just as important to them as yours is to you. And that is NOT advocating for Socialism..it is a simple fact of being part of or having a family. With any and all insurance, you are paying for someone else and most especially so if you never file a claim on it. That is how they operate. They are betting that you will never need it and they can use what you pay in for those who do, along with what they and others just like you do. Life insurance is a bet, too....they bet you will live long enough to pay in more than the value of the policy and you bet that you won't when you buy it. Nature of the Beast.

[cmj1210]

Your example for lung cancer is valid however, many people get lung cancer who have never smoked. How you are way off base on the others. Ever heard of juvenile disease? Heart disease can be hereditary?



Its the same old Republican BS......



Yes & I was one of those. Lifetime non smoker. Luckily they caught it at stage 1. This was no fault of my own & I have a pre existing condition because of this.


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[cmj1210]

Yes...if the family can't/won't foot the bill. It's not MY job to pay to heroically do whatever it takes to save a life. If they're not healthy enough to survive on their own...maybe nature/God wanted it that way.



The 4 month early preemies that are being saved only to have costly problems their entire, short, troubled lives SHOULD be allowed to die. ESPECIALLY if the family is poor and on welfare. If you don't like those breaks...you ARE free to make yourself wealthier. Maybe it's ability? Then DO we want those genes passed along?



You say that now until the reality knocks on your door. Talk to us when God forbid one of your children or grandchildren have to go through this & let us know how you feel then.


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[Cedwards38]

Jimmy Kimmel spoke for the average American citizen last night. Will Congress and the President listen?

Jimmy Kimmel Opens Up About His Newborn Son's Heart Surgery And Praises Obamacare : The Two-Way : NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/02/526538071/jimmy-kimmel-opens-up-about-his-newborn-sons-heart-surgery-and-praises-obamacare)

[MDLNB]

And your family is the only one in America that is important. Newsflash for you: Everyone else's family is just as important to them as yours is to you. And that is NOT advocating for Socialism..it is a simple fact of being part of or having a family. With any and all insurance, you are paying for someone else and most especially so if you never file a claim on it. That is how they operate. They are betting that you will never need it and they can use what you pay in for those who do, along with what they and others just like you do. Life insurance is a bet, too....they bet you will live long enough to pay in more than the value of the policy and you bet that you won't when you buy it. Nature of the Beast.

Sorry, but my family is the only one that matters to me.

[dirtbanker]

Jimmy Kimmel spoke for the average American citizen last night. Will Congress and the President listen?

Jimmy Kimmel Opens Up About His Newborn Son's Heart Surgery And Praises Obamacare : The Two-Way : NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/02/526538071/jimmy-kimmel-opens-up-about-his-newborn-sons-heart-surgery-and-praises-obamacare)
Yeah, Jimmy is probably worried about losing his Obammacare.

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[Don Baldwin]

Hmmm.....looks like you dabble in Actuarial Sciences, but of course you only see what you want to see. Actuarially, your premise is false, your analysis is false, therefore your conclusion is false. You seem to reiterate these numbers in a great number of other posts, but you cannot support them with verifiable facts. You don't seem to think that an opinion that is not supported by factual information is the same as lying, but it really is. So, to all who actually think that this opinion is as good as fact, you might want to creep back into your mid-50's bomb shelter and keep eating the foodstuffs you hoarded.

I've posted the numbers and links too many times...use google yourself. You people keep telling me I'm wrong yet never prove it with raw numbers...or the black wonderland/paradise. Lets visit MLK Blvd together Saturday night...we'll go talk to your peers.

And your family is the only one in America that is important. Newsflash for you: Everyone else's family is just as important to them as yours is to you. And that is NOT advocating for Socialism..it is a simple fact of being part of or having a family. With any and all insurance, you are paying for someone else and most especially so if you never file a claim on it. That is how they operate. They are betting that you will never need it and they can use what you pay in for those who do, along with what they and others just like you do. Life insurance is a bet, too....they bet you will live long enough to pay in more than the value of the policy and you bet that you won't when you buy it. Nature of the Beast.

NO...I'm NOT...I'm paying for MYSELF...and EVERYONE else is paying for themselves...based on their RISK. Less risky, pay less...more risky pay more. THAT is how insurance works. What Obamacare does is NOT insurance...it's government subsidizing the insurance industry...because government mandates coverage now.

[Nucky]

Sorry, but my family is the only one that matters to me.

I think it is human nature to care for your own first so that would be normal but for your own family to be the only one you care about then why do you mix it up on this forum constantly. Seems you would prefer to be isolated with your family in a remote location away from people because you don't need them or care what they think. I'm just guessing and since I've dabbled on this forum even my formation of a sentence has been questioned but I would take a wild guess that in your best interest if you really feel like you stated and you raised the family that you care about exclusively I wouldn't give them power of attorney if you lose consciousness and they follow your way of thinking your a gonner. They will be thinking about themselves first as per the mom or dad's example dependending on whether you are a man or a women. What a great example for a family. No wonder the world is in such fine shape. Sleep well.

[Warren Kiefer]

Would you be saying the same thing if it was your grandchild?

Now, I know that is only a hypothetical question since you would not have ever had a woman drunk enough to procreate. Thank goodness!

Yes...if the family can't/won't foot the bill. It's not MY job to pay to heroically do whatever it takes to save a life. If they're not healthy enough to survive on their own...maybe nature/God wanted it that way.

The 4 month early preemies that are being saved only to have costly problems their entire, short, troubled lives SHOULD be allowed to die. ESPECIALLY if the family is poor and on welfare. If you don't like those breaks...you ARE free to make yourself wealthier. Maybe it's ability? Then DO we want those genes passed along?

You are a fool. Since you include God in your comment, I feel free to say the following. Jesus's earthly mission clearly told Christians to take care of the children, the sick and the poor !!

[Warren Kiefer]

Hey, you know the old saying "sh*t happens, right?" Sorry, but I don't mind helping someone when I have a choice, but I don't like being forced to pay for someone else. We are still not a Socialist country, and I hope we never are. My family comes first.

Of course we are a socialist country !!!Taxes are a socialist program, Medicare is a socialist program. all insurances are socialist programs, We have thousands of programs where most of us pay into a common cause and the government doles out the funds from that pool. I am not sure you have a basic understanding of how our system works.

[MDLNB]

I think it is human nature to care for your own first so that would be normal but for your own family to be the only one you care about then why do you mix it up on this forum constantly. Seems you would prefer to be isolated with your family in a remote location away from people because you don't need them or care what they think. I'm just guessing and since I've dabbled on this forum even my formation of a sentence has been questioned but I would take a wild guess that in your best interest if you really feel like you stated and you raised the family that you care about exclusively I wouldn't give them power of attorney if you lose consciousness and they follow your way of thinking your a gonner. They will be thinking about themselves first as per the mom or dad's example dependending on whether you are a man or a women. What a great example for a family. No wonder the world is in such fine shape. Sleep well.

Do you think much, or do you just babble incoherently in public all the time?

''Life's tough, pilgrim, and it's even
tougher if you're stupid.''-- John Wayne

[Don Baldwin]

You are a fool. Since you include God in your comment, I feel free to say the following. Jesus's earthly mission clearly told Christians to take care of the children, the sick and the poor !!

I included it only because many people believe...you will notice I also included nature. Stop being disingenuous and show me some facts if you disagree.

Of course we are a socialist country !!!Taxes are a socialist program, Medicare is a socialist program. all insurances are socialist programs, We have thousands of programs where most of us pay into a common cause and the government doles out the funds from that pool. I am not sure you have a basic understanding of how our system works.

We're actually a corporatocracy...the corporations ultimately profit and those who own the corporations profit too. The corporations use socialism to drum up business...

[RickeyD]

I think it is human nature to care for your own first so that would be normal but for your own family to be the only one you care about then why do you mix it up on this forum constantly. Seems you would prefer to be isolated with your family in a remote location away from people because you don't need them or care what they think. I'm just guessing and since I've dabbled on this forum even my formation of a sentence has been questioned but I would take a wild guess that in your best interest if you really feel like you stated and you raised the family that you care about exclusively I wouldn't give them power of attorney if you lose consciousness and they follow your way of thinking your a gonner. They will be thinking about themselves first as per the mom or dad's example dependending on whether you are a man or a women. What a great example for a family. No wonder the world is in such fine shape. Sleep well.



[emoji847]

[wjboyer1]

no...the same old liberal bs...we can't afford to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. We already borrow over a $ trillion a year...a stack of $1 bills 67,000 miles tall...or almost 3x circling the planet.

68430

[Don Baldwin]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-political-talk-88/68430d1494178253-pre-existing-conditions-babymoochers-jpg

The REAL world is the exact opposite isn't it boyer?

The brown ones get a free ride...cradle to grave...healthcare too to go with the housing, food, cell phone, and all the rest.

It's the white ones who work to pay for it.

[wjboyer1]

the pre-exiting condition was an underwriting rule required to keep health insurance premiums reasonable. It was removed under obamacare and once removed will never be reinforced ( ie the genie's out of the bottle) so how do we deal with this reality?

Better health lifestyles help. Preventive health care helps. A better understanding of dna studies to detect inherited disease is also a factor. Better technology.

As to insurance a subsidy of some sort is a reality.

The truth of the matter is that obamacare in the long run ended up with the same number of people without insurance.

Obamacare was a solution waiting for a problem.

Better that the government looked at those who did not have coverage and provided some sort of subsidized catastrophic insurance and let the health and insurance in tact

but obama was really after control of healthcare with a single payer plan owing to his socialist ideology and desire to control.

Human nature dictates that despite its dismal results of obamacare people will demand a continuation in some form.

Personal best regards:

68431

[Chi-Town]

Do you think much, or do you just babble incoherently in public all the time?

''Life's tough, pilgrim, and it's even
tougher if you're stupid.''-- John Wayne
Now now. It's not like he called you a selfish prick. You're safe in that dark room in the back of your house.

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[MDLNB]

68431

And then:

[MDLNB]

Now now. It's not like he called you a selfish prick. You're safe in that dark room in the back of your house.

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You're absolutely right. It's not like I am sitting in my little pool in my birdcage behind my Lantana, tapping away on my little phone. Tappitalk, tappitalk, burn up those little keys....:a20:

Have a great day.

[Chi-Town]

You're absolutely right. It's not like I am sitting in my little pool in my birdcage behind my Lantana, tapping away on my little phone. Tappitalk, tappitalk, burn up those little keys....:a20:

Have a great day.
Well, that sounds like a nice picture. It sure would beat staring at walls out of each room. But what the heck, get outside one day. It'll do you good.


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[MDLNB]

Well, that sounds like a nice picture. It sure would beat staring at walls out of each room. But what the heck, get outside one day. It'll do you good.


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It is great outside. But, watching the golf course from my birdcage suggests that we could definitely use some rain, a lot of rain. Not much water in the ponds. The marvels of of wifi, being able to use the laptop outside, huh? Those little phones are too cumbersome for those with larger hands.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

How will you personally be taking care of them if they are buying healthcare insurance?

Premiums of healthy people will be higher in order to subsidize people with pre-existing conditions.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

You are a fool. Since you include God in your comment, I feel free to say the following. Jesus's earthly mission clearly told Christians to take care of the children, the sick and the poor !!

You are absolutely correct and Christian churches and other charities had been doing that for years until the government began taking this job away from them.

There is a section of the new congressman's handbook that explains what to do if services are being provided by another agency such as a church or charity. It explains how to start providing those services to your state or district, giving the government more control over the people.

Jesus never said that the government should take care of the children, the sick and the poor. He was talking to his followers.

What has happened is the members of congress have been running as constituency services scam for the past seventy years or so when they found out that they could get more votes in their re-election by doing favors for people as opposed to doing their job of legislating.

I'd suggest that you read a book called The Ruling Class: Inside The Imperial Congress.

Yes, it's published by a conservative group. but it is written by someone that has been on the inside and the information provided is impossible to dispute.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The problem today is that we really don't have what can be considered insurance by any definition.

Insurance is a wager between the insured and the insurer. They are betting that your house won't burn down, you won't have a car accident, you won't get robbed or that you won 't get sick and you are betting that these things will happen.

It's ridiculous to force insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. That's like totaling your car in an accident and then buying insurance, after the accident, to replace your car.

What we have today is some sort of pooled health care payment system. As much as I think it will fail, if we're going to do this, we might as well go to a single payer system and let the government take care of us cradle to grave.

I'm against a government run system because pretty much everything that the government does costs more and is or lesser quality. I also see the systems in other countries failing financially.

Some people in England say they love the National Health, but it, like the system in France is in serious financial trouble and taxes will be raised to continue it. Gasoline is $5.00 a gallon in Canada to partially fund their health care costs, High income and VAT covers the rest. Even with that, The Canada Health Act does not cover prescription drugs, home care or long-term care, prescription glasses or dental care, which means most Canadians pay out-of-pocket for these services or rely on private insurance. The Canadian government routinely denies services and many Canadians cross the border to the US to get health care that they need.

So of all of you who think that a national health care, single payer system would be good, I'd ask, would you be in favor of raising the price of gasoline by $3.00 per gallon, raising your income tax and adding a national sales tax to pay for less services, no prescription drug coverage the a government bureaucrat deciding whether or not you'd get the care that you and your doctor say that you need.

I had a friend from the UK who was in her late 70s when she was told that she needed a hip replacement. The National Health denied it because of her age. She has to either pay $30,000 dollars out of her own pocket for the procedure or live in pain for the rest of her life. She doesn't have $30,000 so she has been sentenced to a life of excruciating pain. The government also limits the amount of pain medication that they will provide for her.

National health care, single payer system is not the panacea that many think it is. It's great as long as you don't get seriously ill. And as I said, these systems are constantly in a state of financial trouble.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Did anyone read this? Does it matter that pre-existing conditions are not covered under the republican plan is a myth? Are you going to keep spreading that myth?

Layer One: Insurers are required to sell plans to all comers, including those with pre-existing conditions. This is known as "guaranteed issue," and it's mandated in the AHCA. No exceptions, no waivers. I spoke with an informed conservative news consumer earlier who was stunned to learn that this was the case, having been subjected to 24 hours of unhinged rhetoric from the Left.

Layer Two: Anyone with a pre-existing condition and who lives in a state that does not seek an optional waiver from the AHCA's (and Obamacare's) "community rating" regulation cannot be charged more than other people for a new plan when they seek to purchase one -- which, as established above, insurers are also required to sell them.

Layer Three: Anyone who is insured and remains continuously insured cannot be dropped from their plan due to a pre-existing condition, and cannot be charged more after developing one. So if you've been covered, then you change jobs or want to switch plans, carriers must sell you the plan of your choice at the same price point as everyone else. Regardless of your health status. This is true of people in non-waiver and waiver states alike.

Layer Four: If you are uninsured and have a pre-existing condition and live in a state that pursued (and obtained after jumping through hoops) a "community rating" waiver, your state is required to give you access to a "high risk pool" fund to help you pay for higher premiums. The AHCA earmarks nearly $130 billion for these sorts of patient stability funds over ten years.

[dirtbanker]

I doubt that is good enough for the liberals. I bet they believe it would be better if they could provide everyone with free health care and eliminate all taxes...oops, I mean just tax the hard working people!

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[autumnspring]

If it's due to lifestyle choices then it shouldn't be covered.

Lung cancer from a smoker no...diabetes from too much sugar no...heart disease in someone who does no exercise no...anything from obesity no. You get the drift...

We also CAN'T afford to keep people alive who need multiple $ thousands a month in healthcare. People/family needs to be realistic..

RE: Can't AFFORD to keep people alive.
1. I find it interesting how people like YOU change their tune when it effects someone they care about.
2. From your second paragraph your medical knowledge is NON-EXISTENT. With a study of your genes, it can be determined your life expectancy and what will kill you.
The accuracy is within a year or two unless you get hit by a car sort pf thing that cannot be anticipated by your genes
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A TRUE STORY
You may recall that Hillary spoke about government healthcare when Billy was president. At the time my dad-not at all a fool-was rah rah the Clintons. I said until they say how they will pay for it-IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
I had a friend and a customer who had family in Germany which already had nationalized healthcare. I asked him how it worked. His reply was that people who could afford it bought private healthcare insurance and received much better care. Under OBAMACARE, we give the same care to all no matter who pays for it or how much they pay.
At the time they had discovered drugs that could keep a patient with aids alive for years and the cost was like 150,000 a year. I asked him how they handle this in Germany. Is there a cap. His reply was that I know German history. They will not euthanize anyone. According to him there are wards of people in Germany that are brain dead and they are kept alive as long as possible AT GOVERNMENT EXPENSE.

In my view there is nothing as precious as life. WE HAVE GIVEN THE POWER OF OUR LIFE TO OUR GOVERNMENT.
Euthanasia is not legal except for a pet you call it humane
for a parent a spouse etc IT IS NOT LEGAL. The reason is while we SAY, separation of church and state the belief is you are damned if you take your own life.

A DNR again it is YOUR LIFE. You do not belong to the state. YET, if you sign a DNR anyone in your family can go against your WRITTEN REQUEST.

[ColdNoMore]

Premiums of healthy people will be higher in order to subsidize people with pre-existing conditions.



I doubt that is good enough for the liberals. I bet they believe it would be better if they could provide everyone with free health care and eliminate all taxes...oops, I mean just tax the hard working people!


My heartfelt thanks to both of you, for proving me correct...AGAIN. :thumbup:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1395858-post18.html



As I have stated many times and has been born out consistently by posts here on the subject...it really boils down to two very different philosophies.

1. Those who believe that like every other developed nation on this rock, the health of its citizens...should be a a prime concern/responsibility of a country's government.

2. Those who believe that..."I have mine, tough $hit for you."

I'm looking forward to the inevitable plethora of posts...that continually prove me correct. :popcorn:

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[dirtbanker]

My heartfelt thanks to both of you, for proving me correct...AGAIN.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1395858-post18.html

So dumbfvck, which one of those groups do you believe my posts fall in.

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[ColdNoMore]

So dumbfvck, which one of those groups do you believe my posts fall in.


:1rotfl:

Like anyone, of even average intelligence...can't tell by your posts? :oops:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[ColdNoMore]

This says it all. :ohdear:

[Sandtrap328]

Just put yourselves in the place of parents whose child has a chronic condition at birth. The child will live but at a cost of $100,000 per year. The parents cannot get health insurance to cover the illness. In one year, they have no money, no assets, and still have a sick child.

Let's say it is your grandchild. Do you pay the $100,000 per year? You will be broke in a few years, too.

Or after 6 months of the child's life and realizing the potential cost, do you say to your children, "Tell the doctor to let him die, you can try for a healthy one."

Or would you rather have wished the Republican health care covered pre-existing conditions?

Let's have some honest answers here and not things from the simpleton.

[Don Baldwin]

Just put yourselves in the place of parents whose child has a chronic condition at birth. The child will live but at a cost of $100,000 per year. The parents cannot get health insurance to cover the illness. In one year, they have no money, no assets, and still have a sick child.

Let's say it is your grandchild. Do you pay the $100,000 per year? You will be broke in a few years, too.

Or after 6 months of the child's life and realizing the potential cost, do you say to your children, "Tell the doctor to let him die, you can try for a healthy one."

Or would you rather have wished the Republican health care covered pre-existing conditions?

Let's have some honest answers here and not things from the simpleton.

If it's that severe...should have been let go at birth. Many that we save...shouldn't be.

To be HONEST that cartoon should have had a preemie with tubes and wires stuck in it and all kinds of machines all around...keeping it alive.

[dirtbanker]

Just put yourselves in the place of parents whose child has a chronic condition at birth. The child will live but at a cost of $100,000 per year. The parents cannot get health insurance to cover the illness. In one year, they have no money, no assets, and still have a sick child.

Let's say it is your grandchild. Do you pay the $100,000 per year? You will be broke in a few years, too.

Or after 6 months of the child's life and realizing the potential cost, do you say to your children, "Tell the doctor to let him die, you can try for a healthy one."

Let's have some honest answers here and not things from the simpleton.

Well Sandy, That would be terrible...but if they are as you said "broke in one year", then they can count on MEDICAID!!

Your example makes me wonder why a couple would not have healthcare before they decided to start a family? I have had healthcare since age 18. I never worked anywhere that provided healthcare, so I paid for it myself.





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[wjboyer1]

Well Sandy, That would be terrible...but if they are as you said "broke in one year", then they can count on MEDICAID!!

Your example makes me wonder why a couple would not have healthcare before they decided to start a family? I have had healthcare since age 18. I never worked anywhere that provided healthcare, so I paid for it myself.





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Evidently you don't understand how one can qualify for Medicaid. First, you have to demonstrate that you are destitute, so if you earn more than $12,000 per year, you will NOT qualify. If you do qualify, you have to spend all of your assets to no more value than $2,000. Now, if you qualify you are put on a waiting list that could last up to 9 months. So, your safety net is really hard to use.

Not all couples have health insurance, even though the AHA has made it more available than ever before. Pregnancies are also not always planned (of course you know that but your remarks show a certain ignorance of reality) and last of all, the remark was targeted at the Trumpcare proposal that would preclude most pre existing medical conditions from being covered.

You really come across as being a quite heartless person

[dirtbanker]

Evidently you don't understand how one can qualify for Medicaid. First, you have to demonstrate that you are destitute, so if you earn more than $12,000 per year, you will NOT qualify. If you do qualify, you have to spend all of your assets to no more value than $2,000. Now, if you qualify you are put on a waiting list that could last up to 9 months. So, your safety net is really hard to use.

Not all couples have health insurance, even though the AHA has made it more available than ever before. Pregnancies are also not always planned (of course you know that but your remarks show a certain ignorance of reality) and last of all, the remark was targeted at the Trumpcare proposal that would preclude most pre existing medical conditions from being covered.

You really come across as being a quite heartless person

Well you seem to know a lot about Medicaid process...speaking from the heart as they say?

Sandy claimed they were broke. I would consider that only possible if they had spent (or lost) all their assets and no source of income (is your definition of broke something less?). Of course at that point it would not be difficult to demonstrate they are destitute.

I agree that not all couples have healthcare. Some would rather spend that money on entertainment, vehicles, cigarettes, booze, drugs, or maybe a fancy apartment on the miracle mile...But I do not agree that that the Obammacare has made it more available, as it was always available, just some chose to spend their money on something else. Medicaid has always been their for those who could not truly afford it.

No, pregnancies are not always planned, but that is not the same as "pregnancies should not be planned".

I know my wife and I decided when we would start a family, and it was not until we could afford one (we got together when I was 18 and she was 16, we moved in together when I was 19 and she was 17, lived together for 3 years (she was in senior year of high school), we got married, we had our first child 7 years after the honeymoon, we have been married for 32 years, our youngest graduates this Friday from UM !) Truth was; we were still nervous then, because you never know if you are going to get a child with special needs...but we had health insurance the whole time and we paid for it out of our wages.

Pre existing conditions are COVERED by Trumpcare. The states would have to opt out. Stop whining about Trump, and start looking at your state legislators if you don't think they can be trusted!

I am a business MAN. I don't think my wife, kids, or friends (many I have had for over 40 years and still get together often) would consider me as heartless.

[Don Baldwin]

Evidently you don't understand how one can qualify for Medicaid. First, you have to demonstrate that you are destitute, so if you earn more than $12,000 per year, you will NOT qualify. If you do qualify, you have to spend all of your assets to no more value than $2,000. Now, if you qualify you are put on a waiting list that could last up to 9 months. So, your safety net is really hard to use.

Not all couples have health insurance, even though the AHA has made it more available than ever before. Pregnancies are also not always planned (of course you know that but your remarks show a certain ignorance of reality) and last of all, the remark was targeted at the Trumpcare proposal that would preclude most pre existing medical conditions from being covered.

You really come across as being a quite heartless person

Neither do you...

"Eligibility

Medicaid is a joint federal and state program that, together with the Children’s Health Insurance Program, provides health coverage to over 72.5 million Americans, including children, pregnant women, parents, seniors and individuals with disabilities. Medicaid is the single largest source of health coverage in the United States.

In order to participate in Medicaid, federal law requires states to cover certain groups of individuals. Low income families, qualified pregnant women and children, and individuals receiving Supplemental Security Income (SSI) are examples of mandatory eligibility groups. States have additional options for coverage and may choose to cover other groups, such as individuals receiving home and community based services and children in foster care who are not otherwise eligible."

"Effective Date of Coverage

Once an individual is determined eligible for Medicaid, coverage is effective either on the date of application or the first day of the month of application. Benefits may also be covered retroactively for up to 3 months prior to the month of application, if the individual would have been eligible during that period had he or she applied. Coverage generally stops at the end of the month in which a person no longer meets the requirements for eligibility."

"Spousal Impoverishment: Protects the spouse of a Medicaid applicant or beneficiary who needs coverage for long-term services and supports (LTSS), in either an institution or a home or other community-based setting, from becoming impoverished in order for the spouse in need of LTSS to attain Medicaid coverage for such services."

Almost 1/3 the countries population is on Medicaid! MOSTLY minorities. Tell me again how beneficial they are...

[MDLNB]

The myth about the loss of pre-existing conditions was perpetrated by the leftist party, as well as fake news. If you are a Democrat or liberal Independent, you should contact your representative that is passing on lies about it. All they are doing is desperately trying to get you to come back to their losing base and vote for them again. Looks that losers, singing in congress and shouting about people dying. If that is not enough to have you turn your back on them, then you are just as bad. A loser. Try reading the bill, before running amok with lies.