It is my under standing that even though Trump and his supporters continue to tell America that we will have health coverage for pre existing conditions, this is not actually true.. The latest Trumpcare proposal containing the MacArthur amendment will give each individual State the choice of what will be covered. If a particular chooses to not cover diabetes, heart failure, cancer or any other pre existing health problem, IT WILL NOT BE COVERED.

Originally Posted by Guest

It is my under standing that even though Trump and his supporters continue to tell America that we will have health coverage for pre existing conditions, this is not actually true.. The latest Trumpcare proposal containing the MacArthur amendment will give each individual State the choice of what will be covered. If a particular chooses to not cover diabetes, heart failure, cancer or any other pre existing health problem, IT WILL NOT BE COVERED.

If it's due to lifestyle choices then it shouldn't be covered.

Lung cancer from a smoker no...diabetes from too much sugar no...heart disease in someone who does no exercise no...anything from obesity no. You get the drift...

We also CAN'T afford to keep people alive who need multiple $ thousands a month in healthcare. People/family needs to be realistic.

Originally Posted by Guest

If it's due to lifestyle choices then it shouldn't be covered.

Lung cancer from a smoker no...diabetes from too much sugar no...heart disease in someone who does no exercise no...anything from obesity no. You get the drift...

We also CAN'T afford to keep people alive who need multiple $ thousands a month in healthcare. People/family needs to be realistic.

Your example for lung cancer is valid however, many people get lung cancer who have never smoked. How you are way off base on the others. Ever heard of juvenile disease? Heart disease can be hereditary?

Its the same old Republican BS......

Originally Posted by Guest

Your example for lung cancer is valid however, many people get lung cancer who have never smoked. How you are way off base on the others. Ever heard of juvenile disease? Heart disease can be hereditary?

Its the same old Republican BS......

No...the same old LIBERAL BS...we can't afford to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. We already borrow over a $ trillion a year...a stack of $1 bills 67,000 miles tall...or almost 3X circling the planet.

Originally Posted by Don Baldwin

No...the same old LIBERAL BS...we can't afford to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. We already borrow over a $ trillion a year...a stack of $1 bills 67,000 miles tall...or almost 3X circling the planet.

Nice try Don, worked for Ray Gun, won't work for you [emoji3]

Originally Posted by Guest

Nice try Don, worked for Ray Gun, won't work for you [emoji3]

The truth certainly bursts your fantasy socialist utopia bubble, doesn't it? Tell us how you care so much for children while you bankrupt their country for them.

Originally Posted by Guest

The truth certainly bursts your fantasy socialist utopia bubble, doesn't it? Tell us how you care so much for children while you bankrupt their country for them.

Or WHY they're allowing it to become Mexico II?

I guess they've never been to a border town like El Paso.



Ever been there? It sucks...

The pre-exiting condition was an underwriting rule required to keep health insurance premiums reasonable. It was removed under Obamacare and once removed will never be reinforced ( ie the genie's out of the bottle) So how do we deal with this reality?

Better health lifestyles help. Preventive health care helps. A better understanding of DNA studies to detect inherited disease is also a factor. better technology.

As to insurance a subsidy of some sort is a reality.

The truth of the matter is that Obamacare in the long run ended up with the same number of people without insurance.

Obamacare was a solution waiting for a problem.

Better that the government looked at those who did not have coverage and provided some sort of subsidized catastrophic insurance and let the health and insurance in tact

But Obama was really after control of healthcare with a single payer plan owing to his socialist ideology and desire to control.

Human nature dictates that despite its dismal results of Obamacare people will demand a continuation in some form.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

It is my under standing that even though Trump and his supporters continue to tell America that we will have health coverage for pre existing conditions, this is not actually true.. The latest Trumpcare proposal containing the MacArthur amendment will give each individual State the choice of what will be covered. If a particular chooses to not cover diabetes, heart failure, cancer or any other pre existing health problem, IT WILL NOT BE COVERED.

Another post that tries to generate some intelligent dialog about a very serious problem killed by the wing nut contingent. Thanks for trying.

Originally Posted by Guest

No...the same old LIBERAL BS...we can't afford to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. We already borrow over a $ trillion a year...a stack of $1 bills 67,000 miles tall...or almost 3X circling the planet.

How will you personally be taking care of them if they are buying healthcare insurance?

So, your grandchild is born with a serious heart defect, you would have the parents foot the entire medical bills with no insurance?

They would soon be wiped out.

Or just say the kid was unlucky in being born unhealthy and let him die?

Originally Posted by Guest

The pre-exiting condition was an underwriting rule required to keep health insurance premiums reasonable. It was removed under Obamacare and once removed will never be reinforced ( ie the genie's out of the bottle) So how do we deal with this reality?

Better health lifestyles help. Preventive health care helps. A better understanding of DNA studies to detect inherited disease is also a factor. better technology.

As to insurance a subsidy of some sort is a reality.

The truth of the matter is that Obamacare in the long run ended up with the same number of people without insurance.

Obamacare was a solution waiting for a problem.

Better that the government looked at those who did not have coverage and provided some sort of subsidized catastrophic insurance and let the health and insurance in tact

But Obama was really after control of healthcare with a single payer plan owing to his socialist ideology and desire to control.

Human nature dictates that despite its dismal results of Obamacare people will demand a continuation in some form.

Personal Best Regards:

That may have been true at the beginning, however all pretense of that went out the window went out the window when the insurance company refused to cover a newborn baby with a heart defect!

I agree with the preexisting condition clause in the new Healthcare Bill if the states were not able to opt out. If the reporting is correct this preexisting condition cause is time limited.

Originally Posted by Guest

How will you personally be taking care of them if they are buying healthcare insurance?

Really Colorado? Really? Those receiving welfare don't pay a dime for healthcare, they have medicaid which is BETTER coverage than medicare because there are NO deductibles.

Those on "Obamacare" pay the $1,000 maximum tax for 12X that value in coverage.

The AVERAGE person uses about $1 million in healthcare costs in a lifetime. They'd HAVE to have made 960, 80 years worth of $1,000 a month payments to break even in the costs they incurred.

We spend as a country a $ trillion a year providing healthcare...the cost keep going up...it's unsustainable.

The poor can't expect the rest of us to provide for them from cradle to grave. They can't expect us to keep them healthy so we can pay their support longer. It's going to be tough...there's going to be a lot of screaming and wailing...but it must happen. The WORST part is...80% of the poor are black/Hispanic.

Originally Posted by Guest

So, your grandchild is born with a serious heart defect, you would have the parents foot the entire medical bills with no insurance?

They would soon be wiped out.

Or just say the kid was unlucky in being born unhealthy and let him die?

Yes...if the family can't/won't foot the bill. It's not MY job to pay to heroically do whatever it takes to save a life. If they're not healthy enough to survive on their own...maybe nature/God wanted it that way.

The 4 month early preemies that are being saved only to have costly problems their entire, short, troubled lives SHOULD be allowed to die. ESPECIALLY if the family is poor and on welfare. If you don't like those breaks...you ARE free to make yourself wealthier. Maybe it's ability? Then DO we want those genes passed along?

Originally Posted by Guest

Yes...if the family can't/won't foot the bill. It's not MY job to pay to heroically do whatever it takes to save a life. If they're not healthy enough to survive on their own...maybe nature/God wanted it that way.

The 4 month early preemies that are being saved only to have costly problems their entire, short, troubled lives SHOULD be allowed to die. ESPECIALLY if the family is poor and on welfare. If you don't like those breaks...you ARE free to make yourself wealthier. Maybe it's ability? Then DO we want those genes passed along?

Would you be saying the same thing if it was your grandchild?

Now, I know that is only a hypothetical question since you would not have ever had a woman drunk enough to procreate. Thank goodness!