Gun Bill

[Guest]

Has anyone heard of this House Resolution?

HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009

[Guest]

Has anyone heard of this House Resolution?

HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009

Typical go-nowhere bill sponsored by an inner-city politician trying to look law-and-order and protector of the neighborhood.

Voting for it would be the kiss-of-death for any rural or semi-rural politician - Democrat or Republican.

[Guest]

Has anyone heard of this House Resolution?

HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009

I agree with SteveZ

The people want guns. The people are buying guns at a record pace.

Guns are the right of the American people. Our founders were very wise.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

[Guest]

I agree with SteveZ

The people want guns. The people are buying guns at a record pace.

Guns are the right of the American people. Our founders were very wise.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

Then why are we confiscating guns in Iraq and Afghanistan? I think they need the NRA's help. If someone invaded your country I'm sure you wouldn't give up your gun!

[Guest]

Then why are we confiscating guns in Iraq and Afghanistan? I think they need the NRA's help. If someone invaded your country I'm sure you wouldn't give up your gun!

Was that a serious question? I hope not.

Yoda

[Guest]

Was that a serious question? I hope not.

Yoda

As someone who had a concealed weapon pulled on them....I have a slightly different view.

I clearly will never understand why you need to take a concealed weapon into church or a bar.....

[Guest]

If it is concealed you would not know it so why do you care.

[Guest]

If it is concealed you would not know it so why do you care.

That's a childish answer. chilout

[Guest]

If it is concealed you would not know it so why do you care.

You really should read the post before you respond. It was concealed until:

HE PULLED IT AND POINTED IT AT ME

I really cared when he did that.

[Guest]

Was that a serious question? I hope not.

Yoda

Dead serious, to quote you, "The people want guns. The people are buying guns at a record pace.
Guns are the right of the American people. Our founders were very wise."

So please explain why law-abiding Iraqis and the Afghans don't have the same rights as Americans to bear arms. I bet you wouldn't turn your guns in if we were invaded by foreigners.

[Guest]

Dead serious, to quote you, "The people want guns. The people are buying guns at a record pace.
Guns are the right of the American people. Our founders were very wise."

So please explain why law-abiding Iraqis and the Afghans don't have the same rights as Americans to bear arms. I bet you wouldn't turn your guns in if we were invaded by foreigners.

Do they have the same rights as Americans? If so and confiscation is not within the law. I guess I would be on their side. However, the last that I heard was that each Iraqi household was allowed to keep one AK-47 for home defense. In a war zone that does not seem that unreasonable.

Yoda

[Guest]

As someone who had a concealed weapon pulled on them....I have a slightly different view.

I clearly will never understand why you need to take a concealed weapon into church or a bar.....

I do not know what you did to cause a lawful ccw carrier to point a gun at you. If he had no cause then that is assault, bring charges. If he was not lawful then your whole argument seems like a ploy to advance a liberal agenda.

Cologal, what's the rest of the story?

Yoda

[Guest]

citizen.....and member of several shooting organizations, world wide....I am aware of their almost impeccable record for safety.
I also understand there are abnormal incidents in any statistical universe...in this case those with CCW permits.

I would understand not wanting to discuss details of such a personal incident....but since it was offered for discourse it would be extremely helpful to understand how such an anomaly occurred.

btk

[Guest]

I do not know what you did to cause a lawful ccw carrier to point a gun at you. If he had no cause then that is assault, bring charges. If he was not lawful then your whole argument seems like a ploy to advance a liberal agenda.

Cologal, what's the rest of the story?

Yoda

I will say this in a general way and not pointed at Yoda....

If you look at the post I have to be in the wrong either I did something wrong to provoke the gun owner into pulling a gun or if he didn't have a license then it doesn't matter that he pulled the gun and I am just a liberal blowing smoke.

The point is HE DID HAVE A GUN IN HIS FANNY PACK AND HE PULLED IT OUT If he had shot and killed me would I be any less dead because he didn't have a license?

To answer the question what did I do?

I saw the man throwing rocks at a dog as I was driving by. I rolled down my window and told him to stop. I won't repeat what he replied. Nonplussed I pulled over, got out of my gun and got between him and the dog. Again told him to stop....when I turned around to return to my car he pulled the gun, in a true cowardly fashion. When I turned back I was looking at a BIG silver gun.

The rest of the story is I followed him home...then went to the police station reported the issue and ultimately he spent the weekend in jail because he couldn't make bail. So I did bring charges....even came home to testify but they gave him a plea deal....don't know what it was cause no one called me to let me know.

I will say again...On a liberal scale I am center left. Socially liberal and financially conservative.

[Guest]

I will say this in a general way and not pointed at Yoda....

If you look at the post I have to be in the wrong either I did something wrong to provoke the gun owner into pulling a gun or if he didn't have a license then it doesn't matter that he pulled the gun and I am just a liberal blowing smoke.

The point is HE DID HAVE A GUN IN HIS FANNY PACK AND HE PULLED IT OUT If he had shot and killed me would I be any less dead because he didn't have a license?

To answer the question what did I do?

I saw the man throwing rocks at a dog as I was driving by. I rolled down my window and told him to stop. I won't repeat what he replied. Nonplussed I pulled over, got out of my gun and got between him and the dog. Again told him to stop....when I turned around to return to my car he pulled the gun, in a true cowardly fashion. When I turned back I was looking at a BIG silver gun.

The rest of the story is I followed him home...then went to the police station reported the issue and ultimately he spent the weekend in jail because he couldn't make bail. So I did bring charges....even came home to testify but they gave him a plea deal....don't know what it was cause no one called me to let me know.

I will say again...On a liberal scale I am center left. Socially liberal and financially conservative.

I presume that you got out of youi car, not out of your gun. It sounds like you did nothing wrong. You took a chance. Azzholes are everywhere. There are people who should not carry guns, legal or otherwise. I have carried a gun since I was 21. I shot my first person when I was 21. I shot my last person when I was 21. Same guy. He tried to split my head with a crow bar. I was in uniform. I have protected or saved several people over the years with a gun . I would rather have a gun to defend myself from an azz with a gun than than try to outlaw guns. That would be like outlawing sex to protect against aids. It just won't work.

Yoda

[Guest]

I presume that you got out of your car, not out of your gun. It sounds like you did nothing wrong. You took a chance. Azzholes are everywhere. There are people who should not carry guns, legal or otherwise. I have carried a gun since I was 21. I shot my first person when I was 21. I shot my last person when I was 21. Same guy. He tried to split my head with a crow bar. I was in uniform. I have protected or saved several people over the years with a gun . I would rather have a gun to defend myself from an azz with a gun than than try to outlaw guns. That would be like outlawing sex to protect against aids. It just won't work.

Yoda

You are right "I got out of my car" and I was just trying to protect an animal, I love dogs just ask my neighbors. (I keep treats in my garage to feed the dogs when they pass by...all the dogs know my house.)

But it did change my prospective...before this incident twice I have stood up to men hitting women in a public place. Both times in a parking lot...now I can't take the chance...because I can't be sure if the guy has a gun. That is a sad thing because often these women can't or won't stand up for themselves.

[Guest]

It seems to me that any man who would throw rocks at a dog or beat up a woman, just might not care if it was legal to carry a gun or not. Gun laws will only affect law abiding citizens.

[Guest]

I am intrigued by the change of events....from being in a position to be held at gun point, then resolved to being able to follow the the person who did so.

Anyway the circumstance has nothing to do with legal gun ownership, by the majority who we would all be thankful they are armed. Guns are not the issue....the people who have them illegally are.
The gun is no more responsible for the violence than the eraser on a pencil is responsible for misspelled words.

btk

[Guest]

I am intrigued by the change of events....from being in a position to be held at gun point, then resolved to being able to follow the the person who did so.

Anyway the circumstance has nothing to do with legal gun ownership, by the majority who we would all be thankful they are armed. Guns are not the issue....the people who have them illegally are.
The gun is no more responsible for the violence than the eraser on a pencil is responsible for misspelled words.

btk

To fill in the blanks...he pulled it when my back was turned heading back to my car. So I got back into my car and waited until he passed by, he still had the gun out. As I followed him, in my car, lucky for me he passed several people and he talked to them...with the gun out. At the police station he tried to say I had attempted to run him over with my car. (I wouldn't have hurt my Beamer) But that claim was refuted by the witnesses.... Then he actually admitted to pulling the gun. No license for the gun and no carry permit = weekend in jail. No bail money either. You also should know this occured in Manitou Springs, CO a sleepy little town of 7,000. We hadn't had a murder in years. This guy was a loner who was afraid of the world and felt he needed to have a gun when he walked around town.

On some of this I can agree...but access to guns can be an issue. Like the shooter at Virgina Tech....he had a history of mental illness no way should he have been able to buy a gun. If a man or women has a history of domestic violence they should NOT have access to a gun. Just look at the number of children killed this year by their father. I think just 2 weeks ago a family of 5 was wiped out.

This would just be common sense.