Orlando Shootings Press Conference...PC gone wild.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Good grief. I was just watching govt and law enforcement officials giving a press conference regarding this morning's Orlando shootings.

The Orange County Fire and Rescue chief describing the triage efforts, said several people had "injuries incompatible with life."
I will translate...they were dead.

The Sheriff stated that the shooter was "deceased by his own means".
Translation...he killed himself.

[rivaridger1]

It is the result of all the PC talking heads which masquerade as the news media today. The new rule of thumb is to use six or seven words when two would suffice. I do not know what they are teaching in journalism school these days but it is not conducive to brevity.

[graciegirl]

I thought it was going to be another terrorist situation. Turned out it was someone who was mad about being fired and probably had other mental issues.

I don't know which is worse. We can't seem to stop either kind of horrible violence. Please don't say anything about guns. Bad people will always be able to get them. I don't have one, but I don't think we need to change the laws about citizens carrying guns. Maybe if someone had one at that office it might have ended differently.

[DeanFL]

It is the result of all the PC talking heads which masquerade as the news media today. The new rule of thumb is to use six or seven words when two would suffice. I do not know what they are teaching in journalism school these days but it is not conducive to brevity.


Agree.

As I communicate utilizing the lower digits from my personal extremities transcribing my cerebral thoughts through the mechanical means onto my electronic device to the community viewing this messaging forum.

translation = I typed this message.

ps - condolences to the families affected by this tragedy today.

[graciegirl]

Good grief. I was just watching govt and law enforcement officials giving a press conference regarding this morning's Orlando shootings.

The Orange County Fire and Rescue chief describing the triage efforts, said several people had "injuries incompatible with life."
I will translate...they were dead.

The Sheriff stated that the shooter was "deceased by his own means".
Translation...he killed himself.

I like the more direct words of Orlando Chief John Mina. He said about Markeith Loyd. "We are going to drag this dirtbag back to justice".

[Taltarzac725]

That might be the kind of language used in their reports. Many professions have their own phrases used. Doctors and lawyers are pretty bad in this regard. Firemen maybe too.

[manaboutown]

I read that in Seattle now the police must refer to an alleged perp as a "community member" rather than "suspect". Well, what are they calling members of the community who are not suspected of a crime? Anybody know?

[graciegirl]

I read that in Seattle now the police must refer to an alleged perp as a "community member" rather than "suspect". Well, what are they calling members of the community who are not suspected of a crime? Anybody know?

Mom an 'em?

[CFrance]

It is a common term used by paramedics the world over and has nothing to do with pc/pic. Just google it. In some cases it means an injury not able to be resuscitated with CPR.

[xNYer]

This was a workplace shooting but had three hours of live coverage. This is not terrorism related they tell us. OR the most used phrase; "There is no reason to think this may be terrorism related.".....

There is a puzzle piece missing. Interested to know shooter's name.

Fiamma has locations in five countries and the owner lives in Boston. Shooter had been fired in April. Had been arrested for battery at same site in 2014. Ten people altogether work there.

Heartbreaking for a lot of people who lost those they loved. Can't blame any of us for wondering about terrorism when you hear multiple dead in shooting or stabbing.

Now we know his name. Why was that interesting?

[manaboutown]

John Robert Neumann, Jr. Madness. First thing that came to mind for me was Alfred E. Neuman. I wonder why?

[ColdNoMore]

It is a common term used by paramedics the world over and has nothing to do with pc/pic. Just google it. In some cases it means an injury not able to be resuscitated with CPR.

A calm and refreshing voice of reason.


Thank you. :thumbup:

[Rapscallion St Croix]

It is a common term used by paramedics the world over and has nothing to do with pc/pic. Just google it. In some cases it means an injury not able to be resuscitated with CPR.

I took your advice and Googled. I discovered that the term originated within the abortion advocacy community. It indeed sounds like it has PC roots to me.

[ColdNoMore]

I took your advice and Googled. I discovered that the term originated within the abortion advocacy community. It indeed sounds like it has PC roots to me.

Any legitimate proof of that?




Here's what I found...which supports CFrance


Injuries incompatible with life (http://en.surgeon-live.com/content_travmy-nesovmestimye-s-zhiznyu.htm)

Author: doctor Martynenko O.V.

Doctors of ambulance and centers of extreme medicine face daily injuries from injuries of varying severity. Patients with mild to moderate injuries can receive treatment on an outpatient basis or in the profile department of the hospital. Victims with severe injuries are in intensive care units, and sometimes do not even have time to reach the hospital.

Causes of severe injuries

The cause of the injury can be:

- knife and gunshot wound;

- injuries resulting from a traffic accident;

- injury from electric shock;

- falling from height;

- trauma associated with the characteristics of production.

Injuries incompatible with life result from the violation of the work of one or more vital organs.

[Jetakai]

I remembered something I saw long ago by George Carlin on the euphemisms and the way language has changed over the years.
George Carlin - Euphemisms - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc)


Apologies if anyone takes offense.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Any legitimate proof of that?




Here's what I found...which supports CFrance


Injuries incompatible with life (http://en.surgeon-live.com/content_travmy-nesovmestimye-s-zhiznyu.htm)

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I only spoke to origins of the phrase, not the co opting of it.

[ColdNoMore]

I only spoke to origins of the phrase, not the co opting of it.

I believe a lot of folks, would still be interested in seeing a link to that. :popcorn:

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I believe a lot of folks, would still be interested in seeing a link to that. :popcorn:

Any legitimate proof of that?

[ColdNoMore]

Any legitimate proof of that?

Thanks. :thumbup:

[graciegirl]

Any legitimate proof of that?




Here's what I found...which supports CFrance


Injuries incompatible with life (http://en.surgeon-live.com/content_travmy-nesovmestimye-s-zhiznyu.htm)

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It is language used by paramedics and physicians and nurses, it isn't commonly used for everyday communication. The reason for language is to exchange information not as a game to figure out what the other means.

[Sandtrap328]

Oh, get over the possible phrasing of Political Correctness or not.

5 innocent people who just got up that morning, got breakfast, kissed their families goodbye and drove to work - GOT MURDERED by a former co-worker who should not have had a gun.

Don't be so insulated that this doesn't bother you.

[Rockyrd]

Oh, get over the possible phrasing of Political Correctness or not.

5 innocent people who just got up that morning, got breakfast, kissed their families goodbye and drove to work - GOT MURDERED by a former co-worker who should not have had a gun.

Don't be so insulated that this doesn't bother you.

Hey....right on. You are right on with this. Good post

[Allegiance]

Lolhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170606/c75a97de8c765560e61b1a9907167bb5.jpg

[CFrance]

Oh, get over the possible phrasing of Political Correctness or not.

5 innocent people who just got up that morning, got breakfast, kissed their families goodbye and drove to work - GOT MURDERED by a former co-worker who should not have had a gun.

Don't be so insulated that this doesn't bother you.
Excellent.

[CFrance]

I took your advice and Googled. I discovered that the term originated within the abortion advocacy community. It indeed sounds like it has PC roots to me.
The term was around long before the anti-abortionists picked up on it and turned it into something political. It is part of the medical field jargon.

[graciegirl]

Oh, get over the possible phrasing of Political Correctness or not.

5 innocent people who just got up that morning, got breakfast, kissed their families goodbye and drove to work - GOT MURDERED by a former co-worker who should not have had a gun.

Don't be so insulated that this doesn't bother you.

Of course it bothers most of us. Please don't use it to be anti-gun. We are all sick of violence and worried about what is going to happen next in this world where morals seem to be disappearing.

When we were children, small children, we walked many blocks to school. Now adults are afraid of public places and even home invasions. Work places and schools aren't safe. Hospitals aren't safe. I can see why people want to have guns, although I have never owned one.

What is the big difference in The United States between then and now? In the world between then and now?

We hurt for the families of those victims. Two teenagers now without parents. We hurt for Manchester, for London, for Orlando..

We are trying to make sense of the world today and may tomorrow hear we can't use the word world....no shouldn't not can't. I say......WHO sez we SHOULDN'T use regular speech? Our regular hearts are breaking and our nerves are frayed.

[Sandtrap328]

I thought it was going to be another terrorist situation. Turned out it was someone who was mad about being fired and probably had other mental issues.

I don't know which is worse. We can't seem to stop either kind of horrible violence. Please don't say anything about guns. Bad people will always be able to get them. I don't have one, but I don't think we need to change the laws about citizens carrying guns. Maybe if someone had one at that office it might have ended differently.

Yes, I will say that the fired employee should not have had a gun. He has been involved in a battering case with another employee a few years ago as well as a few DUI's and marijuana possession. This shows he was not a law abiding citizen. His gun should have been removed by law.

As in every shooting, you will find people saying if the victims had a gun, the outcome may have been different. I ask you, Grace, should an employee now have a sidearm in a holster as part of normal business attire?

This has been my little soapbox tirade. I am not going to answer any gun issue questions from anyone. You know me well enough, Grace, both on a forum basis and personal level to know I am passionate about this this topic - but also as a reasonable human.

Best to you, Henry, Helene, and the little panthers.