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mellincf
11-04-2017, 07:33 AM
"You know, Richard Nixon tried to use the Justice Department to punish his political enemies," Jeffrey Toobin said Friday night. Former Office of Government Ethics head Walter Shaub added: "This is the stuff that authoritarianism is made of... It's simply the scariest thing that I've seen happen so far in this administration. He just simply seems to have no appreciation for, or interest in, the importance of the independence of the DOJ."

Taltarzac725
11-04-2017, 07:43 AM
"You know, Richard Nixon tried to use the Justice Department to punish his political enemies," Jeffrey Toobin said Friday night. Former Office of Government Ethics head Walter Shaub added: "This is the stuff that authoritarianism is made of... It's simply the scariest thing that I've seen happen so far in this administration. He just simply seems to have no appreciation for, or interest in, the importance of the independence of the DOJ."

Donald John Trump does scare me quite a bit with his complete disregard for the US Constitution. This man swore an oath to it and just uses it like toilet paper.

MikeV
11-04-2017, 08:45 AM
I believe he suggested the DOJ look into the DNC and Crooked Hillary. If he directed the DOJ that would be a different thing. Name one Constitutional Amendment he has actually broken.


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Taltarzac725
11-04-2017, 08:48 AM
I believe he suggested the DOJ look into the DNC and Crooked Hillary. If he directed the DOJ that would be a different thing. Name one Constitutional Amendment he has actually broken.


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Google Donald John Trump and the US Constitution.

The Constitution vs. Trump | Trump | Al Jazeera (http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2017/06/constitution-trump-170628122318620.html)

Donald Trump: A One-Man Constitutional Crisis | American Civil Liberties Union (https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/donald-trump-one-man-constitutional-crisis)

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/12/emoluments-clause-trump-accused-of-violating-constitution.html

Property of the People's Operation 45 exposes Donald Trump’s violation of Constitution’s Anti-Bribery Clause, calls on Department of Justice to Investigate — Operation 45 (https://www.operationfortyfive.org/news/2017/9/15/operation-45-exposes-donald-trumps-violation-of-constitutions-anti-bribery-clause-calls-on-department-of-justice-to-investigate)

Rockyrd
11-04-2017, 09:58 AM
I believe he suggested the DOJ look into the DNC and Crooked Hillary. If he directed the DOJ that would be a different thing. Name one Constitutional Amendment he has actually broken.


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Let's see....subverting the attorney general, who serves at his pleasure. Could be, with other evidence obstruction ?

He IS eroding our entire justice systtem.

President Trump on Friday repeatedly called on the Department of Justice and FBI to investigate his Democratic political opponents, a breach of the traditional executive branch boundaries designed to prevent the criminal justice system from becoming politicized.

Trump urged federal law enforcement to “do what is right and proper” by launching criminal probes of former presidential rival Hillary Clinton and her party — a surprising use of his bully pulpit considering he acknowledged a day earlier that presidents are not supposed to intervene in such decisions.

Trump breaches boundaries by saying DOJ should be ‘going after’ Democrats - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-breaches-boundaries-by-saying-doj-should-be-going-after-democrats/2017/11/03/1c157c08-c0aa-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.d55e79bde4b1)

Better question is what United States department has he not demeaned, and keep in mind, he does this in full view of the world, and most times quotes the now exposed Russian bits.

He has demeaned ALL United States intelligence departments, the court system, any member of congress who disagrees with him, war heroes. It appears he feels he was elected king.

There are reasons that for over 200 years, the President stayed away from the Justice System. His ego tells him that he, and he alone in history is above it.

Rockyrd
11-04-2017, 12:53 PM
"WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) today released the following statement on the importance of an independent justice system after reports that President Donald J. Trump refused to rule out firing Attorney General Jeff Sessions if the Department of Justice does not investigate what the president wishes.

“Like me, most Americans hope that our justice system is independent and free of political interference,” said Corker. “President Trump's pressuring of the Justice Department and FBI to pursue cases against his adversaries and calling for punishment before trials take place are totally inappropriate and not only undermine our justice system but erode the American people’s confidence in our institutions.”"

Corker Statement on Importance of an Independent Justice System - News - - United States Senator Bob Corker (https://www.corker.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/news-list?ID=03BF5EDB-1595-4FAB-BAE9-5027B6201F45)

rubicon
11-04-2017, 01:18 PM
"You know, Richard Nixon tried to use the Justice Department to punish his political enemies," Jeffrey Toobin said Friday night. Former Office of Government Ethics head Walter Shaub added: "This is the stuff that authoritarianism is made of... It's simply the scariest thing that I've seen happen so far in this administration. He just simply seems to have no appreciation for, or interest in, the importance of the independence of the DOJ."

And exactly what do you believe Obama was doing with the appointments of Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch ( Fast & Furious, refusal to charge New black Panther Party, tarmac meeting between bill and Loretta , etc etc, etc,

Hypocrisy Hypocrisy Hypocrisy . Its instinctive in progressive breeding .

Secondly while Trump has expressed his displeasure with Sessions he has done nothing to interfere with Sessions handling of the DOJ

third just because something is scary doesn't mean it is dangerous but then

many on the progressive side frequently seek safe spaces.

Personal Best Regards:

Rockyrd
11-04-2017, 01:48 PM
And exactly what do you believe Obama was doing with the appointments of Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch ( Fast & Furious, refusal to charge New black Panther Party, tarmac meeting between bill and Loretta , etc etc, etc,

Hypocrisy Hypocrisy Hypocrisy . Its instinctive in progressive breeding .

Secondly while Trump has expressed his displeasure with Sessions he has done nothing to interfere with Sessions handling of the DOJ

third just because something is scary doesn't mean it is dangerous but then

many on the progressive side frequently seek safe spaces.

Personal Best Regards:

You know, some day you will need to grow up and act like an adult.

I spoke out on the New Black panther case in the old political forum. It is history. Both Fast and Furious and the famous tarmac meeting bothered me, and I have said so.

Bottom line is that is over. Hanging on to that kind of stuff is sophomoric at best.

We are confronted with a President who publicly, and through the world demeans not only the justice department but basically every institution of the United States. We are faced with an external enemy who uses bots to influence not only us, BUT our President as well. To publicly say what he said this past week is to promote anti constitutional, anti US behavior. To my knowledge, the OBama WH did not announce what action they wanted the Justice Department to take, nor take sides publicly with on going cases.

The man is destroying the country, and I am not being dramatic, he truely is. And that is simply based on what we know.

He is not promoting change...he is promoting anti US.....he is not draining the swamp, but pouring on top....we have a very very serious problem facing us...many are beginning to understand as shown with polls, but folks like you who actually support his lies and accusations are acting on behalf of his anti us behavior.

Read the verified and validated bot stories...compare them to Fox News and Trumps tweets and statements. It is scary and eerie.

Actually your refusal to ever show where you get your information from, and the absolute sameness of what you say and what we now know the bots said.....your comments that are right on the same schedule as they are is eerie.

You ignore what is being done to this country NOW and validated while you keep harping on the past....a past that cannot be repeated, nor had lasting effect. You ignore what is in front of you, and are in fact so twisted up about the past, the nation is dying quickly.

I hated Vietnam but its over

You especially should be enraged at the Russian bot stories, quoted by both you and Fox and the President. It is scary how even the phrasing was spot on. In Philly, they were very active and each day we hear more and more. If you are angry about OBama still after a year, you should be livid to have Russian teens controlling what you post.

Your hate for anything not extreme, and especially progressive is legendary, but like wearing your conspiracy laden heart on your sleeves. You are being "used"

I might add, and not simply as an "add", but nothing....nothing you mention relative to the Democratic Party, OBama or Clinton can even get close to a President not only surrounded by people with DEEP nefarious ties with one foreign country, who also happens invaded our country to affect elections, but who even refused and still delays any action against such country. You make consider that politics...I will reserve my word to describe it, but your concerns pale with what is unfolding.

AND you still support it all

Bog99
11-04-2017, 02:08 PM
You know, some day you will need to grow up and act like an adult.

I spoke out on the New Black panther case in the old political forum. It is history. Both Fast and Furious and the famous tarmac meeting bothered me, and I have said so.

Bottom line is that is over. Hanging on to that kind of stuff is sophomoric at best.

We are confronted with a President who publicly, and through the world demeans not only the justice department but basically every institution of the United States. We are faced with an external enemy who uses bots to influence not only us, BUT our President as well. To publicly say what he said this past week is to promote anti constitutional, anti US behavior. To my knowledge, the OBama WH did not announce what action they wanted the Justice Department to take, nor take sides publicly with on going cases.

The man is destroying the country, and I am not being dramatic, he truely is. And that is simply based on what we know.

He is not promoting change...he is promoting anti US.....he is not draining the swamp, but pouring on top....we have a very very serious problem facing us...many are beginning to understand as shown with polls, but folks like you who actually support his lies and accusations are acting on behalf of his anti us behavior.

Read the verified and validated bot stories...compare them to Fox News and Trumps tweets and statements. It is scary and eerie.

Actually your refusal to ever show where you get your information from, and the absolute sameness of what you say and what we now know the bots said.....your comments that are right on the same schedule as they are is eerie.

You ignore what is being done to this country NOW and validated while you keep harping on the past....a past that cannot be repeated, nor had lasting effect. You ignore what is in front of you, and are in fact so twisted up about the past, the nation is dying quickly.

I hated Vietnam but its over

You especially should be enraged at the Russian bot stories, quoted by both you and Fox and the President. It is scary how even the phrasing was spot on. In Philly, they were very active and each day we hear more and more. If you are angry about OBama still after a year, you should be livid to have Russian teens controlling what you post.

Your hate for anything not extreme, and especially progressive is legendary, but like wearing your conspiracy laden heart on your sleeves. You are being "used"



https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/femo-fascists-have-turned-government-into-your-b*itch-wife-248918/


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jebartle
11-04-2017, 02:32 PM
"WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) today released the following statement on the importance of an independent justice system after reports that President Donald J. Trump refused to rule out firing Attorney General Jeff Sessions if the Department of Justice does not investigate what the president wishes.

“Like me, most Americans hope that our justice system is independent and free of political interference,” said Corker. “President Trump's pressuring of the Justice Department and FBI to pursue cases against his adversaries and calling for punishment before trials take place are totally inappropriate and not only undermine our justice system but erode the American people’s confidence in our institutions.”"

Corker Statement on Importance of an Independent Justice System - News - - United States Senator Bob Corker (https://www.corker.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/news-list?ID=03BF5EDB-1595-4FAB-BAE9-5027B6201F45)


My favorite Trump quote this week, "I'm the only one who matters"!!

Jack9696
11-04-2017, 02:40 PM
"You know, Richard Nixon tried to use the Justice Department to punish his political enemies," Jeffrey Toobin said Friday night. Former Office of Government Ethics head Walter Shaub added: "This is the stuff that authoritarianism is made of... It's simply the scariest thing that I've seen happen so far in this administration. He just simply seems to have no appreciation for, or interest in, the importance of the independence of the DOJ."Ooooo. Very scary, go hug talt.

Jack9696
11-04-2017, 02:41 PM
"You know, Richard Nixon tried to use the Justice Department to punish his political enemies," Jeffrey Toobin said Friday night. Former Office of Government Ethics head Walter Shaub added: "This is the stuff that authoritarianism is made of... It's simply the scariest thing that I've seen happen so far in this administration. He just simply seems to have no appreciation for, or interest in, the importance of the independence of the DOJ."You mean like Obama used irs and 17 Leo agencies against his enemies?

Rockyrd
11-04-2017, 03:57 PM
You mean like Obama used irs and 17 Leo agencies against his enemies?

I was going to ask for credible links from this poster but now I see it is one of the trolls who must have the duty this evening.

He would not know a credible link or back up if he saw it, and is anti american thus......no questions.....

ColdNoMore
11-04-2017, 04:20 PM
SHOULD be concerned about Trump's tantrums and whining. :oops:

Donald Trump laments he's 'not supposed' to influence DOJ, FBI - CNNPolitics (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/donald-trump-justice-department-fbi/index.html)

President Donald Trump said Thursday he wishes he could get involved with the Justice Department and direct it toward Hillary Clinton.

"The saddest thing is that because I'm the President of the United States, I am not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department," Trump said. "I am not supposed to be involved with the FBI."

Just the fact that ANY POTUS would lament that they cannot direct the DOJ or FBI to carry out their direct bidding...should give patriotic Americans a serious pause.

What Trump is advocating, is that he be able to use these entities as Putin uses his.

Which is one of the reasons Chump admires Putin so much.

And for those of you who even have a thought that you agree, ya better think a little further down the road...when the next Dem POTUS is in office.

Would you still be comfortable if a Democratic POTUS...had that kind of power?

Nahhh...I didn't think so. :D




Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

ColdNoMore
11-04-2017, 04:23 PM
You mean like Obama used irs and 17 Leo agencies against his enemies?

:1rotfl:


You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer...are you? :oops:




Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

rubicon
11-05-2017, 06:34 AM
You know, some day you will need to grow up and act like an adult.

I spoke out on the New Black panther case in the old political forum. It is history. Both Fast and Furious and the famous tarmac meeting bothered me, and I have said so.

Bottom line is that is over. Hanging on to that kind of stuff is sophomoric at best.

We are confronted with a President who publicly, and through the world demeans not only the justice department but basically every institution of the United States. We are faced with an external enemy who uses bots to influence not only us, BUT our President as well. To publicly say what he said this past week is to promote anti constitutional, anti US behavior. To my knowledge, the OBama WH did not announce what action they wanted the Justice Department to take, nor take sides publicly with on going cases.

The man is destroying the country, and I am not being dramatic, he truely is. And that is simply based on what we know.

He is not promoting change...he is promoting anti US.....he is not draining the swamp, but pouring on top....we have a very very serious problem facing us...many are beginning to understand as shown with polls, but folks like you who actually support his lies and accusations are acting on behalf of his anti us behavior.

Read the verified and validated bot stories...compare them to Fox News and Trumps tweets and statements. It is scary and eerie.

Actually your refusal to ever show where you get your information from, and the absolute sameness of what you say and what we now know the bots said.....your comments that are right on the same schedule as they are is eerie.

You ignore what is being done to this country NOW and validated while you keep harping on the past....a past that cannot be repeated, nor had lasting effect. You ignore what is in front of you, and are in fact so twisted up about the past, the nation is dying quickly.

I hated Vietnam but its over

You especially should be enraged at the Russian bot stories, quoted by both you and Fox and the President. It is scary how even the phrasing was spot on. In Philly, they were very active and each day we hear more and more. If you are angry about OBama still after a year, you should be livid to have Russian teens controlling what you post.

Your hate for anything not extreme, and especially progressive is legendary, but like wearing your conspiracy laden heart on your sleeves. You are being "used"

I might add, and not simply as an "add", but nothing....nothing you mention relative to the Democratic Party, OBama or Clinton can even get close to a President not only surrounded by people with DEEP nefarious ties with one foreign country, who also happens invaded our country to affect elections, but who even refused and still delays any action against such country. You make consider that politics...I will reserve my word to describe it, but your concerns pale with what is unfolding.

AND you still support it all

Well for starters you continue to exhibit umbrage against anything and everything Rubicon and hence one can conclude that you suffer from not only Rubicon Derangement Syndrome but also confirmation bias:D all of the aforementioned was to highlight how stupid and a waste of time personal attacks are.

Now you suggest that once something is done it should be forgotten. so can I conclude that you are in support of rewriting American history. That you are to be included among those that want to tear down statues, defame great men of history , etc.

Of course you do not. But that is the type of game played here on Political Talk and you are one of the prime players

You know well why I referenced the DOJ in the Obama Administration and you well know that those acts of malfeasance still qualify for investigations and penalties. Lynch's meeting with Clinton was a very serious breach

And yet here we are with nothingburger concerning Trump and the progressives won't let go AND THE REASON IS AS PLAIN AS DAY. TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME

Personal Best Regards:

Rockyrd
11-05-2017, 06:54 AM
Well for starters you continue to exhibit umbrage against anything and everything Rubicon and hence one can conclude that you suffer from not only Rubicon Derangement Syndrome but also confirmation bias:D all of the aforementioned was to highlight how stupid and a waste of time personal attacks are.

Now you suggest that once something is done it should be forgotten. so can I conclude that you are in support of rewriting American history. That you are to be included among those that want to tear down statues, defame great men of history , etc.

Of course you do not. But that is the type of game played here on Political Talk and you are one of the prime players

You know well why I referenced the DOJ in the Obama Administration and you well know that those acts of malfeasance still qualify for investigations and penalties. Lynch's meeting with Clinton was a very serious breach

And yet here we are with nothingburger concerning Trump and the progressives won't let go AND THE REASON IS AS PLAIN AS DAY. TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME

Personal Best Regards:

I suggest and can legitimately make a case, without Mueller investigation results being known, that we have a clear and PRESENT danger to our democracy.

You are blind to that, perhaps because you are all tangled up in the past.

I do not suggest "rewriting" history at all, but do suggest that we learn from it and face the CURRENT threat to our country while we still have time.

Your fears and hate and looking over your shoulder is what has caused our current situation. You have been taken advantage of.

The current administration will never allow you to forget it and you play right into their hands.

Why do you think the Russian bots played to all the things you bring up ? Have you read that report and those links ? They played their hand exactly as you. They are well aware that you are willing to dwell and hate on the past while the future is stolen from us.

Trump, the bots all preach the same topics as you......THE EXACT SAME TOPICS, and in many cases use the same wording. Uranium, tarmac, etc....all put out by Russian bots....and easily proven now......by machines to get you to stay focused on those things from the past.

At the beginning it was to keep the voters down, and now it is to keep you following someone that I really hope you would never bow to as you have to Trump.....a liar, a deceitful man.....I hope you would never follow someone like that...a man that not only challenges our very basic truths but confronts them. Read how he is, without your protest, violating every ethics rule that was ever written, how he maligns and makes felonous accusations while you and yours continue to dwell on things, that in MANY CASES NEVER HAPPENED AS YOU ARE TOLD, but

you accept that....you bow to the man...you spout off about honesty and truthfulness and investigations....yet support lying, deceit and call an actual invasion of our country a HOAX.

I mean it when I say, you are no longer an american...you have switched to following whatever Trump or the bots tell you, as long as it is anti Clinton or Obama THAT is the only subject he wants you to think or talk about and you bow down to his wishes.

All you supporters talk about is Obama and Clinton.....all he talks about is Obama and Clinton......you really think that is by accident....?

Bog99
11-05-2017, 07:00 AM
"You know, Richard Nixon tried to use the Justice Department to punish his political enemies," Jeffrey Toobin said Friday night. Former Office of Government Ethics head Walter Shaub added: "This is the stuff that authoritarianism is made of... It's simply the scariest thing that I've seen happen so far in this administration. He just simply seems to have no appreciation for, or interest in, the importance of the independence of the DOJ."

"Scary" -- this is how a Femo-Fascist c*nt manipulates: with emotions and feelings.



https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/only-thing-these-idiot-femo-fascists-understand-their-own-feelings-248722/

vs.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/structure-politics-248309/


The data:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/femo-fascism-not-opinion-fact-voting-statistics-247351/

Resistance:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/how-rid-supreme-court-femo-fascist-idiots-247587/


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/how-rid-senate-femo-fascist-idiots-247586/


and more immediately:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/lobbying-political-talk-men-forum-248280/



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Rockyrd
11-05-2017, 07:37 AM
WASHINGTON — Four years ago, well before the furor over allegations Moscow meddled in the 2016 election that put Donald Trump in the White House, at least 195 web addresses belonging to Trump, his family or his business empire were hijacked by hackers possibly operating out of Russia, The Associated Press has learned.

The Trump Organization denied the domain names were ever compromised. But a review of internet records by the AP and cybersecurity experts shows otherwise. And it was not until this past week, after the Trump camp was asked about it by the AP, that the last of the tampered-with addresses were repaired.

After the hack, computer users who visited the Trump-related addresses were unwittingly redirected to servers in St. Petersburg, Russia, that cybersecurity experts said contained malicious software commonly used to steal passwords or hold files for ransom. Whether anyone fell victim to such tactics is unclear.

AP finds hackers hijacked at least 195 Trump web addresses :: WRAL.com (http://www.wral.com/ap-finds-hackers-hijacked-at-least-195-trump-web-addresses/17090895/)

Rockyrd
11-05-2017, 07:44 AM
Rubicon, take note


"Russian bots spread stories relating to a controversial uranium deal linked to Hillary Clinton in the days before special counsel Robert Mueller disclosed charges against three former Trump campaign members in his probe of Russia's attempts to influence the 2016 election.

Hamilton 68, a nonpartisan security research project tracing Russia-tied information warfare on Twitter, examined 58 unique URLs promoted by accounts linked to the Kremlin between October 14 and 20. The project found that the most prominent theme—making up 24 percent of the links shared—was a deal that Clinton and the Obama administration approved giving Moscow control of U.S. uranium while the FBI had proof of Russian bribery. "

Russian Bots Targeted Clinton And Mueller Leading Up To Collusion Indictments (http://www.newsweek.com/russian-bots-targeted-clinton-and-mueller-leading-collusion-indictments-698160)