Glen Beck

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Anyone hear that Glen Beck will be in the Villages this week-end. I just heard this on Fox News. Anyone going to listen ?:coolsmiley:

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to see that fool.

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Several people (with books to sell) are coming to TV. Beck, Palin and Huckabee.

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I thought it was against the rules to solicit in the Villages.

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The article about Beck's visit was in the Daily Sun today - along with the restrictions on book signing and picture taking.

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Too late for Huckabee... he's already come and gone!

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to see that fool.

Since you had to answer a simple question with rudeness.

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Think I'll stay home and watch his reruns. Maybe this time he'll catch that wascally wabbit! :1rotfl:

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Yes I am aware that Glenn Beck is coming to The Villages and I'm embarassed that there will be more than one person there to see him. It's my own fault that I feel this way - I've been really building up The Villages to my friends and this is a real setback. To be followed up with Palin makes it even worse. It's a sad, sad day in Mudville.

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This really belongs in the political forum. I certainly have my own opinions on Mr. Beck and Ms. Palin but those comments don't belong here.

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This really belongs in the political forum. I certainly have my own opinions on Mr. Beck and Ms. Palin but those comments don't belong here.

I agree. Move em on out.

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I look forward to a new political party that we conservatives could have intelligent debate with.

Liberals are so mean all they do is Attack individuals.

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to have the makings of the usual partisan urinating contest, opinion, attacks, et al.

How about the article this morning:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/17/ap-turns-heads-devoting-reporters-palin-book-fact-check/

Why is it news to have to fact check anybody if they care not to fact check the current administration??

Or how about this humorous article:

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN188108620091118

Remember when he first took office. First thing he and his team started promoting was that the promises he made were going to take longer than expected because _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (fill in the blank).
And now after creating record historical spending he now comes out with the big boy warning in China (of all places).....how lame is the premise?
China makes all our stuff and owns most of our debt.
America just dolts around knee jerking to what ever is thrown at them. China, however, has a plan and they are methodically dealing out as much rope as the US dolts are willing to haul in.

If the "managed" news weren't so humorous it could be depressing...:cryin2:

btk

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to have the makings of the usual partisan urinating contest, opinion, attacks, et al.

How about the article this morning:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/17/ap-turns-heads-devoting-reporters-palin-book-fact-check/

Why is it news to have to fact check anybody if they care not to fact check the current administration??

Or how about this humorous article:

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN188108620091118


Remember when he first took office. First thing he and his team started promoting was that the promises he made were going to take longer than expected because _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (fill in the blank).
And now after creating record historical spending he now comes out with the big boy warning in China (of all places).....how lame is the premise?
China makes all our stuff and owns most of our debt.
America just dolts around knee jerking to what ever is thrown at them. China, however, has a plan and they are methodically dealing out as much rope as the US dolts are willing to haul in.

If the "managed" news weren't so humorous it could be depressing...:cryin2:

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The problem is? Okay, I think I have it. You don't like the way this country avoided a full-fledged depression. Well, probably the method in which it was done. You don't think the country should work on it's spending and our debt because the statement was made in China. You think that because Palin is a "different kind" of politician that we should assume that she tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. That being the case, she should come out clean as a whistle. You'll be so proud and the GOP/Conservative movement will have finally found their voice and their future. Gives me goose bumps!

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You successfully restated my post to suit your purpose(??) not one word of which has anything to do with my intent. :icon_bored:

btk

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You successfully restated my post to suit your purpose(??) not one word of which has anything to do with my intent. :icon_bored:

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Thank you - I do my best.

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Bump so that Yoda can see what was said.

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It appears that many people here don't like Beck. I find him informative. More informative than the MSM. People who dislike Beck still don't call him a liar. Some may but lack objective proof.

Yoda

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Pure Saul Alinsky. If you cannot attack the ideas; attack the individual. I may not share the ideas of, say, Sen. Reid; but I would love to see him in person.

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I just find it hard to take someone seriously who contradicts himself within 75 seconds on something as important as accusing someone of racism.

Now, personally, I think that a lot of the heat that Glen Beck takes is people some people think he's a *newsman*. He's not - he's an *entertainer*. Even Fox News themselves will tell you that he's considered "entertainment" - something that Jon Stewart and the Daily Show pointed out showing the source of that information.

His job is to get ratings for Fox - and he apparently does that job. He brings eyeballs to the channel.

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We are truly lucky to have someone like Glenn Beck who is not an entertainer but rather a watchdog who takes time to do what we should do but instead wait for someone else to do it and then be critical.

Tonight he said the 9/12 plan is to reconnect with the values and principles,
he said America is great and that is what makes it good, and 9/12 is not meant to ever endorse a candidate. He also said The Village's is a wonderful place.
Now maybe someone can tell me how this makes him somone to dislike? How his words are anti American?:clap2:

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I just find it hard to take someone seriously who contradicts himself within 75 seconds on something as important as accusing someone of racism.

Now, personally, I think that a lot of the heat that Glen Beck takes is people some people think he's a *newsman*. He's not - he's an *entertainer*. Even Fox News themselves will tell you that he's considered "entertainment" - something that Jon Stewart and the Daily Show pointed out showing the source of that information.

His job is to get ratings for Fox - and he apparently does that job. He brings eyeballs to the channel.

Jon Stewart and the Daily Show are not entertainers ? WOW

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When Liberals have fear they turn quickly to destruction without stopping to use common sense.

When they fear Palin or Beck they try to destroy them personally by attacking them the way a vulture goes after its prey.

Liberals are now using the "attack the messenger" as a standard way of getting off the important issues.

Too bad for Liberals. This approach may work short term but long term it will do them in.

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When Liberals have fear they turn quickly to destruction without stopping to use common sense.

When they fear Palin or Beck they try to destroy them personally by attacking them the way a vulture goes after its prey.

Liberals are now using the "attack the messenger" as a standard way of getting off the important issues.

Too bad for Liberals. This approach may work short term but long term it will do them in.

Nothing worse than an "Attack Vulture." I had one when I was a kid and it keep attacking my neighbor's "Messenger Pigeons." Not a pretty sight. I had to retrain it to only attack road kill or other dead creatures. As it turned out -it must have worked because the modern Vulture doesn't attack anything that shows signs of life.

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Funny how you look at Fox (top rated news show), Rush (top rated talk radio show), Sarah Palin (#1 best seller before it's even released) and many others, yet liberals keep trying to convince themselves that conservatism is dead.

Look who they attack and you'll see who they are afraid of. Wish I was there to cheer Beck on. There's still a few who see the truth.

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I like Beck if for no other reason that he was instrumental in getting rid of Van Jones.

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Nothing worse than an "Attack Vulture." I had one when I was a kid and it keep attacking my neighbor's "Messenger Pigeons." Not a pretty sight. I had to retrain it to only attack road kill or other dead creatures. As it turned out -it must have worked because the modern Vulture doesn't attack anything that shows signs of life.

You are trying to be funny ,I think, too bad you can't stay with the discussion.

If what you said is true then it may be funny after all.

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We are truly lucky to have someone like Glenn Beck who is not an entertainer but rather a watchdog who takes time to do what we should do but instead wait for someone else to do it and then be critical.

Tonight he said the 9/12 plan is to reconnect with the values and principles,
he said America is great and that is what makes it good, and 9/12 is not meant to ever endorse a candidate. He also said The Village's is a wonderful place.
Now maybe someone can tell me how this makes him somone to dislike? How his words are anti American?:clap2:

I dislike him because he comes off to me as disingenuous. He *appears* to me to be a demagogue. He has, IN MY OPINION, tapped into the many insecurities in this country and whipped people up into a frenzy. I wasn't really sure what to make of him until that famous "Obama hates white people" / "I don't hink he hates white people" comment.

I treat him like I do any entertainer. The difference between him and Jon Stewart, just for starters, is Stewart makes me laugh. Beck is trying to make people angry - trying to make them feel threatened.

But when I think about it, I can give you a very personal reason as to why I don't like Mr. Beck. Please don't laugh - I'm serious about this. He reminds me of my ex-wife. My ex-wife ALWAYS just KNEW what I was thinking, no matter what I said. If I did something and she asked me to explain my actions, the explanation didn't matter - she already had it in her head that I must be up to something "nefarious" - I'm not kiddin - she actually used that word IN WRITING when we needed something notarized during the divorce proceeding (which required a xerox of her driver's license and her social security number). The fact that I memorized her license and social secuirity numbers almost 2 decades previously didn't matter.

And that's what gets me - when facts don't matter. I'm sorry, but Occam's Razor is another principle I like to apply. Kind of like "follow the money" as well.

It's not that I 'hate' Glen Beck. I can't say that I'm THAT emotionally invested in an entertainer to "hate" them. It's the followers that can scare me, to be honest. Beck has a platform - and he uses it. You can agree or disagree with him, but don't think for a minute that it's NOT entertainment.

It's kind of like the bumper sticker I saw ages ago that I really liked...

"I love Jesus too - It's his fan club that scares me"

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Jon Stewart and the Daily Show are not entertainers ? WOW

Please show me where I said they were not entertainers.

Go on. I'll wait. I have plenty of time.

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Funny how you look at Fox (top rated news show), Rush (top rated talk radio show), Sarah Palin (#1 best seller before it's even released) and many others, yet liberals keep trying to convince themselves that conservatism is dead.

Look who they attack and you'll see who they are afraid of. Wish I was there to cheer Beck on. There's still a few who see the truth.

I don't think conservatism is dead at all. In fact, stay with me as this won't sound right, I believe that conservatism is why Obama got elected.

By the time the 2008 election rolled around, McCain was no longer a conservative. Since McCain was espousing a "more of the same" mantra during the campaign, he'd clearly abandoned his formerly conservative priciples. This is NOT the same man I voted for in the 2000 New Hampshire primary!

Without going into a long, drawn-out discussion about why I have that opinion, I'll simply present a graphic example. It was inconceivable that McCain, who was so outspoken against torture, was suddenly waffling on the subject. Him, of ALL people, a former POW.

Nobody hat yet conviced me why, for example, waterboarding was "torture" and a war crime for which Japanese were prosecuted after WWII, yet it was ok for US to do it 60 years late. I'm still waiting for a convincing explanation. (Especially in light of study after study showing that torture doesn't work - it only makes the victims say what you want them to say)

So here you have no real conservative candidate.

HOWEVER - you have a candidate that the REST of the world seems to like so at least we can score some foreign policy points to help our god-awful reputation overseas. You also have a candidate who is going to try and step in and do something about the recession - whereas McCain was talking "more tax cuts" that were, rightly or wrongly, perceived as 'for the rich'.

So you get what my daughter called the "Obamacans". The same phenomenon that produced the "Reagan Democrats" 28 years earlier.

I tell you - if there was a VIABLE 3rd party candidate who espoused keeping the government out of your wallet (like the Republicans) *and* out of your bedroom (like the Democrats), I think that person would win in a landslide.

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Yes I am aware that Glenn Beck is coming to The Villages and I'm embarassed that there will be more than one person there to see him. It's my own fault that I feel this way - I've been really building up The Villages to my friends and this is a real setback. To be followed up with Palin makes it even worse. It's a sad, sad day in Mudville.

Thank you, could not have said it better myself........By the way, I see that Beck has a 100 year plan, that should play well to a community of retirees...
Bogey

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Thank you, could not have said it better myself........By the way, I see that Beck has a 100 year plan, that should play well to a community of retirees...
Bogey

What is it that you dont agree with Beck on ?

Would that not be a better post than sarcasm ? This is supposed to be an opinion forum !!

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Yes I am aware that Glenn Beck is coming to The Villages and I'm embarrassed that there will be more than one person there to see him. It's my own fault that I feel this way - I've been really building up The Villages to my friends and this is a real setback. To be followed up with Palin makes it even worse. It's a sad, sad day in Mudville.

2008 Sumter County Presidential Vote

From and earlier post by yours truly:

In the 2008 Sumter County presidential election where The Villages makes up a major portion of the electorate, it is interesting to note the result was overwhelmingly (63.01%) for McCain. Obama received only 36.04% of the vote. 82% of eligible voters went to the polls.

30,866 Sumter residents voted for McCain
17,655 voted for Obama

Perhaps you would be less embarrassed if you steered your friends to Miami, Detroit or some other urban area where the like minded can get "free" money and more public handouts through wealth redistribution while giving group hugs in support of each other and ACORN. Perhaps, in order to bridle your exposure to embarrassment, you should have researched the political trending of Villages voters before you settled in a largely conservative community....especially if it makes you so judgemental and uncomfortable regarding your neighbors. We did.

Palin, Beck, Huckabee appearing within days of each other to the pleasure of thousands of Villagers....priceless.

In your opinion it may be a "sad, sad day in Mudville" but once again....it's a great day in the Villages for so many.

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I do find it surprising that the community most affected (financially speaking) from the fallout of the banking deregulation voted so overwhelmingly for John McCain. McCain, for reasons I have not yet been able to fathom, opposed reregulating banks. In other words, he felt it was ok to allow more AIG cases. Since, when you're retired, you're more dependent an your pensions, 401ks, etc - I would have expected more of a backlash against McCain's policies in that regards.

At least, if you're younger, you have time for your retirement plans to recuperate. If you're already retired, you basically lost all those gains with little chance of getting them back.

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Good post, Cabo.:highfive:

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With what's going on in our country and our financial system I'm supposed to be angry about What John McCain was or was not supporting? I think it is far to late to blame anything but the present Administration for the woes of our Country. Obama and company have done nothing to shore up any business or any job, outside of government employees. I have a feeling you need to step outside of your prejudices and examine what is really going on in the deconstruction of our once great and free nation and when and If you do finally come to terms with it you will, hopefully, see the honesty and wisdom of a free American like Glenn Beck. Since Glenn Beck can't really be meaningfully debunked because realistically how do you debunk the truth, his opponents are reduced to attacking him personally; straight from the "liberal socialist handbook".

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could be affected in any manner by ANY dignitary who visits it?

About as meaningful as stating TV would be a better place if visited by _ _ _ _
(fill in the blank).
To each their own.

btk

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With what's going on in our country and our financial system I'm supposed to be angry about What John McCain was or was not supporting? I think it is far to late to blame anything but the present Administration for the woes of our Country. Obama and company have done nothing to shore up any business or any job, outside of government employees. I have a feeling you need to step outside of your prejudices and examine what is really going on in the deconstruction of our once great and free nation and when and If you do finally come to terms with it you will, hopefully, see the honesty and wisdom of a free American like Glenn Beck. Since Glenn Beck can't really be meaningfully debunked because realistically how do you debunk the truth, his opponents are reduced to attacking him personally; straight from the "liberal socialist handbook".

Ummm.. Two words. General Motors.

While I didn't believe ALL of the screaming about the "ripple effect" of GM going out of business, the fact is that there would be 6 figures worth of people unemployed in an instant and nobody-knows-how-many more rippling from it. This was also true of (although in a lesser degree) Chrysler - though I don't know if they'll make it to their predicted "turnaround time" when they start putting better product out on the street.

And as far as "government jobs" go, well, there's plenty to argue there - especially since it was government jobs created in a Republican administration that led to the best paying contract I ever had.. But locally there's also the story of how the stimulus package is allowing a contractor up here to hire more people to finish a big road project (connecting the Everett Turnpike, US-3, with the Manchest-Boston Regional Airport) TWO YEARS EARLY. Do you consider those "government jobs"?

Yes, we all know that recovery.gov has become the butt of a lot of jokes because of people filing their paperwork poorly (not reporting the correct or even an EXISTING congressional district).

To me, the real test of the administration is going to happen when the recovery starts to really take hold - like when employment starts REALLY growing - and the normal business cycle will do this.

The question will be - how will the administration react to increasing revenue? I *suspect* they'll use it as an excuse to spend even more, as opposed to paying off the bills. But maybe - JUST MAYBE - like when Clinton had an uncooperative Congress - we can get to running a surplus again with some fiscal restraint. I'm not holding my breath, but one can hope, eh?

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Ummm.. Two words. General Motors.

While I didn't believe ALL of the screaming about the "ripple effect" of GM going out of business, the fact is that there would be 6 figures worth of people unemployed in an instant and nobody-knows-how-many more rippling from it. This was also true of (although in a lesser degree) Chrysler - though I don't know if they'll make it to their predicted "turnaround time" when they start putting better product out on the street.

And as far as "government jobs" go, well, there's plenty to argue there - especially since it was government jobs created in a Republican administration that led to the best paying contract I ever had.. But locally there's also the story of how the stimulus package is allowing a contractor up here to hire more people to finish a big road project (connecting the Everett Turnpike, US-3, with the Manchest-Boston Regional Airport) TWO YEARS EARLY. Do you consider those "government jobs"?

Yes, we all know that recovery.gov has become the butt of a lot of jokes because of people filing their paperwork poorly (not reporting the correct or even an EXISTING congressional district).

To me, the real test of the administration is going to happen when the recovery starts to really take hold - like when employment starts REALLY growing - and the normal business cycle will do this.

The question will be - how will the administration react to increasing revenue? I *suspect* they'll use it as an excuse to spend even more, as opposed to paying off the bills. But maybe - JUST MAYBE - like when Clinton had an uncooperative Congress - we can get to running a surplus again with some fiscal restraint. I'm not holding my breath, but one can hope, eh?

How about if they (GM) were simply ALLOWED to go into bankruptcy ?

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How about if they (GM) were simply ALLOWED to go into bankruptcy ?

Then I believe there is a good percentage chance that you would be screaming about how Obama doesn't care about the biggest manufacturer in the country, let jobs go away, therefore proving he's anti-business.

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Then I believe there is a good percentage chance that you would be screaming about how Obama doesn't care about the biggest manufacturer in the country, let jobs go away, therefore proving he's anti-business.


This thread has sort of been hijacked as it was supposed to be about Beck, however this subject (GM) was discussed in great detail.

While your defense of this President is admirable, I suppose, please dont assume anything about how I would feel.

The GM thing is history as will be many other issues while this congress and President spend and act as enablers and there is nothing we can do about it.