Flyover Food

[manaboutown]

That term just came to mind with 'flyover' recently being prevalently if not promiscuously used to describe the middle of the country between the coasts.

Except for growing up in the desert southwest I have spent most of my time on either coast. During my travels I have enjoyed sometimes only locally available regional specialties which I truly enjoyed.

What I most remember is huckleberry jam in Montana from locally grown wild huckleberries, American Bison steaks and burgers in South Dakota, wild rice soup in Minnesota, cheddar cheese in Wisconsin, collard greens, black eyed peas, okra and grits in the south, locally grown yellow watermelon in Amarillo, Texas, Coors Beer in Colorado in the early 1960s before it was widely distributed, locally caught catfish in Missouri. These were all regional foods at the time I enjoyed them. That yellow watermelon did just not ship well I was told so it was not commercially grown.

Anybody have any fond memories of discovering some tasty flyover food?

[NotGolfer]

Fresh cheese curds at the local cheese factories in Wisconsin. They are best fresh IMHO...just not the same if purchased in the grocery store. Also the fresh picked produce from the midwest tastes a bit differently than here. It's hard to explain but think the black soil up there along with the "fresh" fertilizers used contribute. There are CSA's there (I'm not sure if they have them in FL or our area at least) to get fresh produce (farm to table quality).

[manaboutown]

Fresh cheese curds at the local cheese factories in Wisconsin. They are best fresh IMHO...just not the same if purchased in the grocery store. Also the fresh picked produce from the midwest tastes a bit differently than here. It's hard to explain but think the black soil up there along with the "fresh" fertilizers used contribute. There are CSA's there (I'm not sure if they have them in FL or our area at least) to get fresh produce (farm to table quality).

Yes! I try to stop at roadside stands for fresh fruit and vegetables during harvest times. Most times the flavor and textures of the fruit and vegetables is almost unbelievable compared to store-bought foods.

There are differences in how a food tastes depending on where it was grown. The soil, climate, altitude, length of growing season and so on do make a difference.

Its not flyover food but I love freshly picked and roasted Silver Queen corn from the Maryland Eastern Shore.

[CFrance]

Corn on the cob from Ohio. OMG. Our Pittsburgh family spent summers at a cottage at Madison On the Lake, Ohio, on Lake Erie. We would go to the farm stand, ask for a dozen corn, and they would go out to the field beside the stand and pick it. ('50s and early '60s) I have never had better corn since.

Later, at Deep Creek Lake, MD, there was a woman who baked "sticky buns." They were the best cinnamon buns ever. You had to order them, then go the next morning to pick them up warm from the oven. They were almost the size of a lunch plate. We always ordered one extra for whoever got up early to pick them up to wolf down on the way home. Because you couldn't drive with that scintillating aroma in the car without diving into one.

At Lake Michigan, lake perch and walleye (especially planked walleye) were amazing. Fresh, fresh, fresh.

[manaboutown]

At Lake Michigan, lake perch and walleye (especially planked walleye) were amazing. Fresh, fresh, fresh.

Oh boy! Now I remember first eating fresh caught walleye! It was fantastic! Thanks for the reminder.

[CFrance]

We used to sail in the North Channel, between Canada and the US. Mostly you would anchor overnight or stop at a small marina. A lot of the islands up there were Native American land, and technically you weren't supposed to go ashore without permission. But the kids who lived there would pick wild blueberries and sell them to us tourists. Best ever blueberries.

When I was a kid at our summer place at Lake Erie, we had a meadow katty-cornered to our property. Wild strawberries grew there. They were tiny, and we would spend hours with our mother picking them. She made strawberry jam out of a lot of them, but what I remember most is eating them out of hand. The only strawberry that's ever compared to them was one I found during a walk on a country road in Elk Rapids, Michigan. There it was, one tiny strawberry in a plant on the side of the road. Exactly like the ones we picked as kids.

I wish I could say I picked that strawberry and took it home to my friend's cottage to wash and then eat. But no. I was so excited I stupidly popped that sucker right into my mouth. And it was as good a wild strawberry as I remembered from my childhood. Who knows what was on that strawberry. Some dog, maybe... Well whatever, I didn't get sick, I'm still here, and I have those two memories.

[CFrance]

You've really started me down memory lane, manaboutown. Isaly's ice cream in Pittsburgh. They had a special kind of ice cream scoop that was shaped like a long curved triangle. Plunged down into one side of the ice cream bin, then the other, and out came a cone shape of ice cream about 5 or 6 inches tall. The flavors were amazing. Mint chocolate chip, coffee, chocolate--geeze those were good. One time in the fourth grade I bought a big cone of something, walked out of the store, and the ice cream fell out of the cone before I could even take a lick. As an elementary school kid I knew nothing about customer service, but I went back into the store crying. (It was most of my allowance; it was our neighborhood store.) They gave me a new cone. I was astounded.

[NotGolfer]

When I was a kid...our hometown had dairies that the farmers took their milk to. One of them had a "bar" where you could buy ice cream goodies (think sort of like Kilwins)...cones, sundaes etc. Soooo good! Not sure what happened with them...maybe big corporations took over.
Midwestern sweet corn has it ALL over the corn grown here...though it doesn't come in til late July. The season, of course, is short. Think Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin---my only midwestern states of experience so not acquainted with the other state's produce. The "bread basket" of the world--we were taught in school. Kansas, Nebraska probably fit into that paradymn as well.

[thetruth]

We used to sail in the North Channel, between Canada and the US. Mostly you would anchor overnight or stop at a small marina. A lot of the islands up there were Native American land, and technically you weren't supposed to go ashore without permission. But the kids who lived there would pick wild blueberries and sell them to us tourists. Best ever blueberries.

When I was a kid at our summer place at Lake Erie, we had a meadow katty-cornered to our property. Wild strawberries grew there. They were tiny, and we would spend hours with our mother picking them. She made strawberry jam out of a lot of them, but what I remember most is eating them out of hand. The only strawberry that's ever compared to them was one I found during a walk on a country road in Elk Rapids, Michigan. There it was, one tiny strawberry in a plant on the side of the road. Exactly like the ones we picked as kids.

I wish I could say I picked that strawberry and took it home to my friend's cottage to wash and then eat. But no. I was so excited I stupidly popped that sucker right into my mouth. And it was as good a wild strawberry as I remembered from my childhood. Who knows what was on that strawberry. Some dog, maybe... Well whatever, I didn't get sick, I'm still here, and I have those two memories.

Frankly true of most if not all fruits and vegetables. We insist on large, pretty fruits. The farmer, insists on high yield resistance to insects and plant diseases. Thus, we remember what used to be.

If, you can find them-mail order-buy GUARDIAN strawberry plants. The fruits are, well not pretty so they are no longer grown commercially.

If, you want really good blueberries. I've never seen them sold by variety. Perhaps, at one of the you pick places. In MY OPINION, the best blueberries that will grow in our climate is MISTY. The plants are pretty. I do not but you could use them as a hedge. You get fruit-if you can beat the birds to it and it turns red in the fall.

Asparagus-like corn it immediately starts to deteriorate on picking. I don't grow them here but you reminded me of in our previous home picking Asparagus outside our kitchen window.

[Ecuadog]

My earliest and one of my fondest of memories of a mostly local food is related to the egg sac or roe of the shad fish. My grandparents lived in Higganum, CT during WWII. Come spring, the shad season, there was a local fisherman by the name of Bill Maynard that used to catch, clean and sell shad and shad roe in the area. He smoked a pipe and as luck would have it, my grandfather was able to get his hands on Bill’s favorite brand of tobacco when it was generally scarce. Bill never forgot.

As a kid, I vaguely remember going to Maynard’s for shad and shad roe. According to my grandparents, Bill was the only one in the world that knew how to bone a shad properly. I believe it. In my mother’s latter years, I used to drive her from Long Island, NY up to a shop near the Connecticut River to buy shad and shad roe. It had to be from the Connecticut River.

I haven’t had any shad or shad roe in a number of years. Spring is here. Maybe I should go to Connecticut.

[Mrs. Robinson]

New Jersey is known for their produce and I guess that's why they call it the Garden State.

There is nothing like Jersey corn, their tomatoes and peaches and Jenny Lind Cantaloupes which I have not had in many, many years.

I'm salivating!

[CFrance]

My earliest and one of my fondest of memories of a mostly local food is related to the egg sac or roe of the shad fish. My grandparents lived in Higganum, CT during WWII. Come spring, the shad season, there was a local fisherman by the name of Bill Maynard that used to catch, clean and sell shad and shad roe in the area. He smoked a pipe and as luck would have it, my grandfather was able to get his hands on Bill’s favorite brand of tobacco when it was generally scarce. Bill never forgot.

As a kid, I vaguely remember going to Maynard’s for shad and shad roe. According to my grandparents, Bill was the only one in the world that knew how to bone a shad properly. I believe it. In my mother’s latter years, I used to drive her from Long Island, NY up to a shop near the Connecticut River to buy shad and shad roe. It had to be from the Connecticut River.

I haven’t had any shad or shad roe in a number of years. Spring is here. Maybe I should go to Connecticut.
On your way up there,could you take a detour through Beaufort, SC, and get me some scallops off the boat?

[Ecuadog]

On your way up there,could you take a detour through Beaufort, SC, and get me some scallops off the boat?

I keep telling myself that one summer I'll go over to Crystal River and hire a guide and snorkel around to gather some bay scallops.

[CFrance]

I keep telling myself that one summer I'll go over to Crystal River and hire a guide and snorkel around to gather some bay scallops.
One can do that? It sounds like fun.

[DigitalGranny]

Ohio sweet corn fresh from the field and homegrown tomatoes picked ripe, never refrigerated!. Yum!. Oh yes, and BBQ from the little shacks that dot the South!

[graciegirl]

New Jersey is known for their produce and I guess that's why they call it the Garden State.

There is nothing like Jersey corn, their tomatoes and peaches and Jenny Lind Cantaloupes which I have not had in many, many years.

I'm salivating!

Ohio grows the best tomatoes and corn in THE UNIVERSE.

Gracie. Descendant of Ohio Farmers.

[CFrance]

I think anywhere you grew up north of the Mason-Dixon line but south of NE states had the best corn and tomatoes in one's own opinion. We grew up on Ohio and Western PA's, so those are the best to us. Although, I must vote for Ohio over PA. But we were in the city, so the corn came a bit of a distance. Not like in Ohio, having them walk to the field and pick it for you individually.

Since then, we've lived in North Jersey (3 years) and Michigan (25 years). I was disappointed in Jersey tomatoes, and one can get good corn in Michigan, but it has to be a planned event, and local knowledge is a must. Still, it isn't as good a Ohio's. But again, I grew up on Ohio corn.

Oh, and Michigan tomatoes--meh.

[Mrs. Robinson]

New Jersey is known for their produce and I guess that's why they call it the Garden State.

There is nothing like Jersey corn, their tomatoes and peaches and Jenny Lind Cantaloupes which I have not had in many, many years.

I'm salivating!

Ohio grows the best tomatoes and corn in THE UNIVERSE.

Gracie. Descendant of Ohio Farmers.

I think anywhere you grew up north of the Mason-Dixon line but south of NE states had the best corn and tomatoes in one's own opinion. We grew up on Ohio and Western PA's, so those are the best to us. Although, I must vote for Ohio over PA. But we were in the city, so the corn came a bit of a distance. Not like in Ohio, having them walk to the field and pick it for you individually.

Since then, we've lived in North Jersey (3 years) and Michigan (25 years). I was disappointed in Jersey tomatoes, and one can get good corn in Michigan, but it has to be a planned event, and local knowledge is a must. Still, it isn't as good a Ohio's. But again, I grew up on Ohio corn.

Oh, and Michigan tomatoes--meh.

Sorry, but I should have been more clear.
My references were to SOUTH Jersey, which is tantamount to a separate state within New Jersey. :a040:

And if you never had any of this produce, please don't say that some other is the best. :spoken:

[manaboutown]

This chain has a restaurant very near a 55+ community, Laguna Woods Village, in SoCal. It is a real favorite for many LWV residents who are midwest and northeast transplants as it features, in part, quite well prepared and tasty flyover food. I ate there yesterday. Specials - Polly's Pies - Southern California Restaurant and Bakery (http://www.pollyspies.com/menu_type/specials/#dinner-specials)

[graciegirl]

Sorry, but I should have been more clear.
My references were to SOUTH Jersey, which is tantamount to a separate state within New Jersey. :a040:

And if you never had any of this produce, please don't say that some other is the best. :spoken:

I am sorry. I meant to make clear that Reynoldsburg Ohio area produces the best tomatoes in the universe. If you have never had any from there, please don't say others are the best. ;)

I speak with knowledge of hundreds of tomatoes picked off the vines, shined on my jeans and salted with a shaker snuck out of my mom's kitchen. That delicious sun warmed richness filled my mouth and my memories.

[graciegirl]

That term just came to mind with 'flyover' recently being prevalently if not promiscuously used to describe the middle of the country between the coasts.

Except for growing up in the desert southwest I have spent most of my time on either coast. During my travels I have enjoyed sometimes only locally available regional specialties which I truly enjoyed.

What I most remember is huckleberry jam in Montana from locally grown wild huckleberries, American Bison steaks and burgers in South Dakota, wild rice soup in Minnesota, cheddar cheese in Wisconsin, collard greens, black eyed peas, okra and grits in the south, locally grown yellow watermelon in Amarillo, Texas, Coors Beer in Colorado in the early 1960s before it was widely distributed, locally caught catfish in Missouri. These were all regional foods at the time I enjoyed them. That yellow watermelon did just not ship well I was told so it was not commercially grown.

Anybody have any fond memories of discovering some tasty flyover food?


I really don't like the term flyover states, particularly when used by people who think they live in areas that are superior. I also don't like the term "redneck" used to describe people who are poor and live in the country. The predominantly nice folks who were born and raised in the states that are not falling off either end of this country have justifiable pride in the places that they hail from and enjoy beauty not seen in smoggy areas or places where people put you down rather than look into your eyes and shake your hand firmly.

[manaboutown]

I really don't like the term flyover states, particularly when used by people who think they live in areas that are superior. I also don't like the term "redneck" used to describe people who are poor and live in the country. The predominantly nice folks who were born and raised in the states that are not falling off either end of this country have justifiable pride in the places that they hail from and enjoy beauty not seen in smoggy areas or places where people put you down rather than look into your eyes and shake your hand firmly.

I was raised from age 2 to 22 in New Mexico. I feel very loyal to that state; I still own a home and a business there. I enjoy spending time in New Mexico and am both proud and grateful to have been raised there. New Mexico is a flyover state. So what?

As an aside the incredible SW airlines lady pilot who averted a major aviation disaster a few days ago was raised on a ranch near Alamogordo, NM. When recently asked if she grew up around aviation she said "No, but I grew up under it!" Tammie Jo Shults: Meet the Heroic Southwest Airlines Pilot | Money (http://time.com/money/5244916/tammie-jo-shults-southwest-pilot/)

It seems folks hailing from NM develop and retain a sense of humor in addition to the above mentioned ethos.

[Bruiser1]

That term just came to mind with 'flyover' recently being prevalently if not promiscuously used to describe the middle of the country between the coasts.

Except for growing up in the desert southwest I have spent most of my time on either coast. During my travels I have enjoyed sometimes only locally available regional specialties which I truly enjoyed.

What I most remember is huckleberry jam in Montana from locally grown wild huckleberries, American Bison steaks and burgers in South Dakota, wild rice soup in Minnesota, cheddar cheese in Wisconsin, collard greens, black eyed peas, okra and grits in the south, locally grown yellow watermelon in Amarillo, Texas, Coors Beer in Colorado in the early 1960s before it was widely distributed, locally caught catfish in Missouri. These were all regional foods at the time I enjoyed them. That yellow watermelon did just not ship well I was told so it was not commercially grown.

Anybody have any fond memories of discovering some tasty flyover food?

Many probably have with out knowing it. Sweet Corn (Golden Jubilee ) is grown in Southern Minnesota for Birds Eye and Green Giant. It is blanched (heated )and immediately frozen to retain the freshness. You could but a grocery bag full (about 60 ears) for $5 . Also GGiants "LeSeur Peas" are grown nearby in LeSeur MN.
But for a true fish gourmet..Walleye Pike caught in fresh water is a delicacy (rarely found this far south)

[manaboutown]

But for a true fish gourmet..Walleye Pike caught in fresh water is a delicacy (rarely found this far south)

The first time I ever ate Walleye Pike was in Minnesota. It was delicate and flavorful, delicious.

[ColdNoMore]

You've really started me down memory lane, manaboutown. Isaly's ice cream in Pittsburgh. They had a special kind of ice cream scoop that was shaped like a long curved triangle. Plunged down into one side of the ice cream bin, then the other, and out came a cone shape of ice cream about 5 or 6 inches tall. The flavors were amazing. Mint chocolate chip, coffee, chocolate--geeze those were good. One time in the fourth grade I bought a big cone of something, walked out of the store, and the ice cream fell out of the cone before I could even take a lick. As an elementary school kid I knew nothing about customer service, but I went back into the store crying. (It was most of my allowance; it was our neighborhood store.) They gave me a new cone. I was astounded.

If you like a gazillion choices in ice cream and find yourself in Chattanooga, take a walk across and back on the Walnut Street Bridge then stop in here...you won't regret it. :thumbup:

The Ice Cream Show, Chattanooga - Restaurant Reviews, Phone Number & Photos - TripAdvisor (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g54946-d1807376-Reviews-The_Ice_Cream_Show-Chattanooga_Tennessee.html)

[fw102807]

Prickly Pear everything in Arizoza

[ColdNoMore]

Prickly Pear everything in Arizona

In southwest Texas, a lot of cattle ranchers go around and burn the needles off of prickly pear cactus...to allow their cattle to feed on them.

[l2ridehd]

The key words for almost anything is fresh and local.

Red's Eats in Wiscasset Maine for the best Lobster and Clam rolls ever. You can see the boats they were brought in by peeking around the corner.

Growing up we always had a big garden and we would wait until the water was boiling before going out to pick the corn. Go gather the eggs just before using them for breakfast. Milking the cow's and the cream was 50% in the milk bottle. We had cream on everything. Picking almost any vegetable just before cooking, tomatoes and cukes fresh picked, picking apples directly from the tree for eating, blueberries, strawberries, cranberries fresh picked and used are also the best.

Local grown and fresh picked will always be the best no matter where local is.

[rivaridger1]

If it is fresh picked from a garden or berry patch in the upper Midwest ( and I suspect from a garden or patch just about anywhere ) it is going to be delicious. If it is fresh caught, or trapped, in the waters of the Atlantic or Pacific, or any fresh water lake or stream, you will be salivating when it comes to the table. Farm raised chickens, beef or lamb matched up with a good country cook is the equal of any cuisine in the world.

[tomwed]

I think anywhere you grew up north of the Mason-Dixon line but south of NE states had the best corn and tomatoes in one's own opinion. We grew up on Ohio and Western PA's, so those are the best to us. Although, I must vote for Ohio over PA. But we were in the city, so the corn came a bit of a distance. Not like in Ohio, having them walk to the field and pick it for you individually.

Since then, we've lived in North Jersey (3 years) and Michigan (25 years). I was disappointed in Jersey tomatoes, and one can get good corn in Michigan, but it has to be a planned event, and local knowledge is a must. Still, it isn't as good a Ohio's. But again, I grew up on Ohio corn.

Oh, and Michigan tomatoes--meh.In south jersey,in the Pine Barrens it doesn't pay to grow veggies, tomatoes. When it's harvest time there are card tables in front of many houses selling tomatoes, zucchini and the like for hardly anything. Those are the tomatoes that taste the best. There use to be a lot of you pick it blueberries too. sandy soil, very acidic

[fw102807]

or places where people put you down rather than look into your eyes and shake your hand firmly.


I believe this is a put down and a very bad generalization. Some of the warmest and friendliest people I know come from the northeast. At least they don't smile to your face and stab you behind your back.

[CFrance]

I believe this is a put down and a very bad generalization. Some of the warmest and friendliest people I know come from the northeast. At least they don't smile to your face and stab you behind your back.
The people from the northeast are honest in their interactions. They may be standoffish at first, but it's a crowded place, and everyone must carve out his/her personal space. We found that once some time had passed and people became familiar with seeing us, we made fantastic friends. You always knew where you/they stood, and I appreciate that.

If you've ever had to fight to get a grocery cart in Pathmark, you would know what I mean.

[tomwed]

I believe this is a put down and a very bad generalization. Some of the warmest and friendliest people I know come from the northeast. At least they don't smile to your face and stab you behind your back.
Mostly that's because our arms are too short. Haven't you seen The Sopranos?

[Barefoot]

Red's Eats in Wiscasset Maine for the best Lobster and Clam rolls ever. You can see the boats they were brought in by peeking around the corner.
Growing up we always had a big garden and we would wait until the water was boiling before going out to pick the corn. Go gather the eggs just before using them for breakfast. Milking the cow's and the cream was 50% in the milk bottle. We had cream on everything. Picking almost any vegetable just before cooking, tomatoes and cukes fresh picked, picking apples directly from the tree for eating, blueberries, strawberries, cranberries fresh picked and used are also the best.
Local grown and fresh picked will always be the best no matter where local is.
What is this stuff all over my keyboard; oh wait, it's saliva.

[fw102807]

Mostly that's because our arms are too short. Haven't you seen The Sopranos?

Can't say that I have but interesting theory

[tomwed]

Can't say that I have but interesting theoryThe Sopranos and Jersey Shore did not help our easy going, live and let live kind of attitude towards life. The shows can be both engaging and hard to watch. When it's hard to watch I lower the volume to zero and shut my right eye. That way, it's half as violent.

[Madelaine Amee]

The people from the northeast are honest in their interactions. They may be standoffish at first, but it's a crowded place, and everyone must carve out his/her personal space. We found that once some time had passed and people became familiar with seeing us, we made fantastic friends. You always knew where you/they stood, and I appreciate that.

If you've ever had to fight to get a grocery cart in Pathmark, you would know what I mean.

I lived most of my life in the suburbs of Boston and it does not get much more Northeast than that. We LOVED the area, hi tech for good jobs and excellent pay, excellent medical facilities, great schools and universities, easy access to the ocean, interstates, international airports, great Italian (Boston's North End) and Chinese food (Chinatown) .................. and much more. As for being friendly, we are very careful who we give our hearts to, but if you get my heart you have it for life and I will be there for you through thick and thin. But, don't ever try to B.S. me ....................

[graciegirl]

I believe this is a put down and a very bad generalization. Some of the warmest and friendliest people I know come from the northeast. At least they don't smile to your face and stab you behind your back.

There are some that do both. Almost always. And they live in all areas of the country. There are people with kind hearts and good manners and people with evil hearts and good manners and there are people with kind hearts and no manners. I was being defensive of recent labels seen in mainstream media such as "flyover states". WE ALL LOVE where we came from and when someone on a forum says their state has the best apples, you just smile and nod because you know why they say that, even if you know better, that your state has the best apples. It is good manners, to smile and nod at them.....

and by pass phrases like "sez who?", "big deal", "people who travel know" and "yep". Also this little guy is often used to wound;:1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

I lived most of my life in the suburbs of Boston and it does not get much more Northeast than that. We LOVED the area, hi tech for good jobs and excellent pay, excellent medical facilities, great schools and universities, easy access to the ocean, interstates, international airports, great Italian (Boston's North End) and Chinese food (Chinatown) .................. and much more. As for being friendly, we are very careful who we give our hearts to, but if you get my heart you have it for life and I will be there for you through thick and thin. But, don't ever try to B.S. me ....................

I spend just about every Friday with five women who all come from Massachusetts. Have done for eight years. They make me laugh, they make me cry sometimes with their perception, they beat me soundly at golf and they have my back. I really love them all. And I think they love me back.

[ColdNoMore]

I believe this is a put down and a very bad generalization. Some of the warmest and friendliest people I know come from the northeast. At least they don't smile to your face and stab you behind your back.


Yep! :bigbow:


:1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

Mostly that's because our arms are too short. Haven't you seen The Sopranos?

T-Rex syndrome. :D

[graciegirl]

T-Rex syndrome. :D

:1rotfl: Now that there is funny.

[manaboutown]

Local grown and fresh picked will always be the best no matter where local is.

I agree! It is enjoyable to visit various locales during harvest season. New Mexico, where I mostly grew up, is a tough place to grow almost anything because it rains little, has late Spring freezes and alkaline soil. Yet back in 1913 at NMSU Fabian Garcia developed a commercial chile that is renown worldwide as Hatch Chile. It is commercially grown in Dona Ana County, along the Rio Grande. How New Mexico Chile became Legendary - KRQE (http://www.krqe.com/fox-new-mexico/legendary-new-mexico/how-new-mexico-chile-became-legendary/900308492)

While Hatch Chile is delicious and almost always used in making Chile Rellenos I prefer some other varieties in other dishes. I usually order red rather than green at a restaurant. Red or green? Your answer speaks volumes about you in New Mexico (http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-new-mexico-chiles-20171126-story.html)

Dixon apples grown in Northern New Mexico were great! In 2016 the land was traded back to the Cochitis for land in Santa Fe. Oh well... Some decent wines are now being produced from vineyards in NM. I discovered some grown from the original root stock brought by the Spaniards when they settled there. New Mexico Office of the State Historian | people (http://newmexicohistory.org/people/wine-production-in-el-paso-and-the-grapevine-inventory-of-1775)

IMHO: Wherever you go, there you are so enjoy what an area has to offer.

[tomwed]

T-Rex syndrome. :Dgood one----i think that's why they always seem to be angry

[CFrance]

I lived most of my life in the suburbs of Boston and it does not get much more Northeast than that. We LOVED the area, hi tech for good jobs and excellent pay, excellent medical facilities, great schools and universities, easy access to the ocean, interstates, international airports, great Italian (Boston's North End) and Chinese food (Chinatown) .................. and much more. As for being friendly, we are very careful who we give our hearts to, but if you get my heart you have it for life and I will be there for you through thick and thin. But, don't ever try to B.S. me ....................
Exactly.

[fw102807]

I agree! It is enjoyable to visit various locales during harvest season. New Mexico, where I mostly grew up, is a tough place to grow almost anything because it rains little, has late Spring freezes and alkaline soil. Yet back in 1913 at NMSU Fabian Garcia developed a commercial chile that is renown worldwide as Hatch Chile. It is commercially grown in Dona Ana County, along the Rio Grande. How New Mexico Chile became Legendary - KRQE (http://www.krqe.com/fox-new-mexico/legendary-new-mexico/how-new-mexico-chile-became-legendary/900308492)

While Hatch Chile is delicious and almost always used in making Chile Rellenos I prefer some other varieties in other dishes. I usually order red rather than green at a restaurant. Red or green? Your answer speaks volumes about you in New Mexico (http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-new-mexico-chiles-20171126-story.html)

Dixon apples grown in Northern New Mexico were great! In 2016 the land was traded back to the Cochitis for land in Santa Fe. Oh well... Some decent wines are now being produced from vineyards in NM. I discovered some grown from the original root stock brought by the Spaniards when they settled there. New Mexico Office of the State Historian | people (http://newmexicohistory.org/people/wine-production-in-el-paso-and-the-grapevine-inventory-of-1775)

IMHO: Wherever you go, there you are so enjoy what an area has to offer.

We went to Albuquerque a few years back for the Balloon Fiesta and had a wonderful time. We went to a local winery and discovered Chenin Blanc which was not very popular in the NE.

[manaboutown]

We went to Albuquerque a few years back for the Balloon Fiesta and had a wonderful time. We went to a local winery and discovered Chenin Blanc which was not very popular in the NE.

The Balloon Fiesta is always a lot of fun! Glad you went!

The wine you drank may have been this one. D.H. Lescombes Chenin Blanc • St. Clair Winery (https://stclairwinery.com/product/d-h-lescombes-chenin-blanc/)

That family is a sixth generation of Algerian-Frenchwinemakers.

Another excellent NM winery operated by a French winemaking family is Gruet. Gruet (https://gruetwinery.com)

[fw102807]

The Balloon Fiesta is always a lot of fun! Glad you went!

The wine you drank may have been this one. D.H. Lescombes Chenin Blanc • St. Clair Winery (https://stclairwinery.com/product/d-h-lescombes-chenin-blanc/)

That family is a sixth generation of Algerian-Frenchwinemakers.

Another excellent NM winery operated by a French winemaking family is Gruet. Gruet (https://gruetwinery.com)

Yes it was the St Clair Winery and we enjoyed it very much.

[fw102807]

The Sopranos and Jersey Shore did not help our easy going, live and let live kind of attitude towards life.

Exactly!

Some kinds of violence (on television) don't bother me just the sadistic kind like Criminal Minds.

[ColdNoMore]

good one----i think that's why they always seem to be angry

I've been out to eat in groups, where more than a few people in the group are afflicted with the syndrome...when the bill shows up. :ohdear:

[fw102807]

I've been out to eat in groups, where more than a few people in the group are afflicted with the syndrome...when the bill shows up. :ohdear:

Two words...separate checks

[graciegirl]

Exactly!

Some kinds of violence (on television) don't bother me just the sadistic kind like Criminal Minds.

I agree. I like the characters but it is just so sadistic. I was looking for the word. Over the top. Far worse than you wanted a murder mystery to be. Makes you want to sleep with the lights on.

[ColdNoMore]

We went to Albuquerque a few years back for the Balloon Fiesta and had a wonderful time. We went to a local winery and discovered Chenin Blanc which was not very popular in the NE.

ABQ. is an awesome place! :thumbup:


For golfers, it has some fantastic values that a lot of players from other locations...don't really know about. :ho:

Go to the other side of the 'Watermelon' mountains and play a round in the morning at PaaKo Ridge, have lunch in Old Town, then go eat dinner and admire the Native American Art (really, the only reason to go there :D)...at Sandia Casino & Resort.

And then you can do the same thing for more than a week, without repeating the same locations...of awesome courses/lunch places/dinner/casino resorts. :cool:

PAAKO RIDGE GOLF | (http://www.paakoridge.com/)

Paa-Ko Ridge Golf Club is the most highly acclaimed golf course ever to open in New Mexico.

Golf Digest – #1 Best New Course in America for 2000
GOLF Magazine – Top 10 New Courses You Can Play in America for 2000
Travel & Leisure Golf – Top 10 Desert Courses in America, #9
Golf & Travel –Top 40 Daily Fee Courses in America, #22
Golfweek – Top 100 Modern Courses in America, #23
Golfweek – America’s Best, State-By-State Public Access Courses, #1 in NM
Athlon Sports – One of the 10 Best Bargains in Golf
Athlon Sports – 18 Holes You Need to Play, Hole #11
Travel & Leisure Golf – America’s 100 Best Courses For $100 or Less, #4
Golf Digest – Places to Play, 5 Stars
Men’s Journal – #1 Best Wild Course in America
GOLF Magazine – Top 100 You Can Play in America, #30
Powers Golf – America’s Top 100 Public Golf Courses
Zagat Survey – America’s Top Golf Courses, Rated Extraordinary
Golf Digest – America’s 100 Greatest Public Courses, #20
Golf Digest – Best in State Rankings, #1 in New Mexico
People’s Choice Awards – Albuquerque’s Favorite Golf Course
The Golfer – The Best of the World, Top 10 Desert Courses
LINKS Magazine – Featured as a “Modern Classic”
Athlon Sports – 18 Holes To Play, Hole #8


Sandia Resort & Casino Albuquerque | Spa, Golf, Entertainment (http://www.sandiacasino.com/)

[tomwed]

Where I come from when you eat on the porch there is always fly over food. You just shush it away.

[l2ridehd]

I agree! It is enjoyable to visit various locales during harvest season. New Mexico, where I mostly grew up, is a tough place to grow almost anything because it rains little, has late Spring freezes and alkaline soil. Yet back in 1913 at NMSU Fabian Garcia developed a commercial chile that is renown worldwide as Hatch Chile. It is commercially grown in Dona Ana County, along the Rio Grande. How New Mexico Chile became Legendary - KRQE (http://www.krqe.com/fox-new-mexico/legendary-new-mexico/how-new-mexico-chile-became-legendary/900308492)

While Hatch Chile is delicious and almost always used in making Chile Rellenos I prefer some other varieties in other dishes. I usually order red rather than green at a restaurant. Red or green? Your answer speaks volumes about you in New Mexico (http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-new-mexico-chiles-20171126-story.html)

Dixon apples grown in Northern New Mexico were great! In 2016 the land was traded back to the Cochitis for land in Santa Fe. Oh well... Some decent wines are now being produced from vineyards in NM. I discovered some grown from the original root stock brought by the Spaniards when they settled there. New Mexico Office of the State Historian | people (http://newmexicohistory.org/people/wine-production-in-el-paso-and-the-grapevine-inventory-of-1775)

IMHO: Wherever you go, there you are so enjoy what an area has to offer.

In February of this year I went out and hiked to the bottom and back up the Grand Canyon. Hiked back out in a blizzard with two feet of snow. Also visited Albuquerque and Santa Fe and Durango while I was out there. Nice places and lots of interesting things to see and do.

[fw102807]

Where I come from when you eat on the porch there is always fly over food. You just shush it away.

Ok laughed out loud...literally

[Madelaine Amee]

Where I come from when you eat on the porch there is always fly over food. You just shush it away.

:a20: and that is why my other half hates dining al fresco!

[manaboutown]

In February of this year I went out and hiked to the bottom and back up the Grand Canyon. Hiked back out in a blizzard with two feet of snow. Also visited Albuquerque and Santa Fe and Durango while I was out there. Nice places and lots of interesting things to see and do.

Back when I was an Explorer Scout we did it the hard way, went down the Bright Angel Trail from the South Rim (elev 6840') down to Phantom Ranch and up the Kaibab Trail to the North Rim (elev 8240'). It was summer and very hot down deep in the canyon. The worst part of it for me was having to get off the trail to let the tourists on mules get by. We had to get below the trail as the mules would not go by if we were above them. Also, back then those trails were pretty treacherous IMO, in places narrow and/or covered with loose and crumbly soil. They were not always level and in spots pitched strongly into the canyon. This was about 1956. Hopefully they have been vastly improved since then.

BTW I cannot even imagine hiking up one of those trails in a blizzard with two feet of snow! Glad you made it out fine.

[manaboutown]

ABQ. is an awesome place!

The Santa Ana Pueblo also has a fine golf course just North of town toward Bernalillo.My New Mexico Golf (http://www.mynewmexicogolf.com/santaana_home/)

[ColdNoMore]

The Santa Ana Pueblo also has a fine golf course just North of town toward Bernalillo.My New Mexico Golf (http://www.mynewmexicogolf.com/santaana_home/)

Yep, played all 27 holes...many times.

And the view from the UNM Championship course, looking down on the city...is hard to beat.

Twin Warriors also has fantastic views and a great course, albeit a bit more expensive...given that it's connected to the Hyatt-Regency (as is the less expensive Santa Ana).

Then there's Sandia, which has great views and being on the slopes of the Sandia's (plus the altitude)...allows for some really long drives.

Even Isleta is nice.

Halfway to Santa Fe on I-25, and a bit off the beaten trail, is another awesome value course...Cochiti Golf Club.

But the all-time best value I've EVER played...is Arroyo Del Oso (one of 3 city courses). When I first started playing it 15 years ago, it was $18 to walk and the greens were as nice & fast...as ANY resort/private course.

And then when you get up to the Santa Fe area, which is only an hour from Abq., there are some nationally ranked courses also. :thumbup:

All in all, "The Land of Entrapment" (:D the local name by some)...is a hidden jewel for golfers. :ho:

[tomwed]

:a20: and that is why my other half hates dining al fresco!Oh my goodness, tell him to put some clothes on. [maybe i got that backwards]

[ColdNoMore]

Oh my goodness, tell him to put some clothes on. [maybe i got that backwards]

Yeah, you're still thinking of gardening.

[manaboutown]

Yep, played all 27 holes...many times.

And the view from the UNM Championship course, looking down on the city...is hard to beat.

Twin Warriors also has fantastic views and a great course, albeit a bit more expensive...given that it's connected to the Hyatt-Regency (as is the less expensive Santa Ana).

Then there's Sandia, which has great views and being on the slopes of the Sandia's (plus the altitude)...allows for some really long drives.

Even Isleta is nice.

Halfway to Santa Fe on I-25, and a bit off the beaten trail, is another awesome value course...Cochiti Golf Club.

But the all-time best value I've EVER played...is Arroyo Del Oso (one of 3 city courses). When I first started playing it 15 years ago, it was $18 to walk and the greens were as nice & fast...as ANY resort/private course.

And then when you get up to the Santa Fe area, which is only an hour from Abq., there are some nationally ranked courses also. :thumbup:

All in all, "The Land of Entrapment" (:D the local name by some)...is a hidden jewel for golfers. :ho:

Wow! You do know that turf very well. At one time I lived on the street on the east side of the Arroyo Del Oso course.

BTW I hope you enjoyed the chile however it was prepared and sopaipillas in Old Town.

[ColdNoMore]

Wow! You do know that turf very well. At one time I lived on the street on the easy side of the Arroyo Del Oso course.

Very :cool:



BTW I hope you enjoyed the chile and sopaipillas.

Red or green? :D

The absolute best tamales I've ever had, were made by the lady who was burned by the coffee...in the infamous McDonald's incident.

She was my buddy's, children's...Godmother.

As for the McDonald's incident, I will just say that it isn't anything like it was portrayed and my buddy actually told me the real story one day while playing together...which we did about 3-4 times a week.

I was, like most, critical of the lawsuit from just what I had read and then I started researching on my own...because of what Frenchy had told me.

The fact that he was the retired Deputy Chief of the State Police...pretty much speaks to his integrity and truthfulness. :thumbup:

Anyway, I love Abq. in particular...and New Mexico in general. :cool: