2 children die in hot cars yesterday

[Bay Kid]

Just saw where 2 children died in hot cars yesterday in the US. 1 almost died in Florida yesterday, but someone saw the child in a car with the temperature at 94 degrees outside. The mother showed up 24 minutes later? Thought she had dropped the child off earlier???

What is wrong with parents today?

[graciegirl]

I am rewriting my post because Bogie Shooter made me look at this with new eyes, with his statistics that make me see that these horrible things happen in about the same numbers every year, in fact maybe less since our population is burgeoning.

We can't change this. But none of us can stop anguishing if we have a heart.

[Bogie Shooter]

Just saw where 2 children died in hot cars yesterday in the US. 1 almost died in Florida yesterday, but someone saw the child in a car with the temperature at 94 degrees outside. The mother showed up 24 minutes later? Thought she had dropped the child off earlier???

What is wrong with parents today?

Nothing that was not there yesterday...
children hot car deaths statistics - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=children+hot+car+deaths+statistics&id=5946766E0D5B6820466E7E9D45C3B90A237B4616&FORM=IQFRBA)

[graciegirl]

Nothing that was not there yesterday...
children hot car deaths statistics - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=children+hot+car+deaths+statistics&id=5946766E0D5B6820466E7E9D45C3B90A237B4616&FORM=IQFRBA)

Thank you Bogie. Information that isn't reassuring exactly but shows the problem has been the same for awhile.

[Bucco]

Nothing that was not there yesterday...
children hot car deaths statistics - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=children+hot+car+deaths+statistics&id=5946766E0D5B6820466E7E9D45C3B90A237B4616&FORM=IQFRBA)

Thanks for a great link and a great quote....

"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell."

[billethkid]

The charts show it is not the day/time/era we live in.

There is no acceptable excuse such as forgot or will just be a minute......there is no excuse. It matters not, to me anyway, what their profession or status in life or how many other children.

There are those who should not be parents in the first place.

The only thing I can think of is the child/children are just not the priority they should be in a person's life.

I see, every day, young mothers in stores or parking lots with small children in the cart or walking nearby.....with their face in their telephone and not paying ANY attention to the children what so ever.

And when I see one that looks like a possible danger to the child, I do step up and break the mother's trance!!!
About half thank me....the other half I cannot type in public what I have been told!!!!!

What is one to do or should do if they come upon a child in a hot car? Put the life of the child first....call 911....

[Abby10]

Nothing that was not there yesterday...
children hot car deaths statistics - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=children+hot+car+deaths+statistics&id=5946766E0D5B6820466E7E9D45C3B90A237B4616&FORM=IQFRBA)

Interesting information. Obviously not as much has changed as it sometimes appears. The only thing that probably really makes the difference is the amount of media reporting available to us and therefore things often seem to be worse today than before. Growing up who even heard of so many of these things actually happening? I grew up in a very small, rather secluded town so maybe I was just more naive than most.

[Bucco]

Interesting information. Obviously not as much has changed as it sometimes appears. The only thing that probably really makes the difference is the amount of media reporting available to us and therefore things often seem to be worse today than before. Growing up who even heard of so many of these things actually happening? I grew up in a very small, rather secluded town so maybe I was just more naive than most.

People do not change from one decade to another...people are people, no matter what

[Abby10]

People do not change from one decade to another...people are people, no matter what

That's true, but things change that change society and the way we live our lives. I'm sure you are old enough to have experienced the difference in your childhood and upbringing versus the way the majority of children are raised today, not to mention the upward trend of divorce that we have seen over the years. Those things have effects on young people and ultimately on society as a whole and how they live their lives down the road as a result. Then throw in the hustle, bustle lifestyle that we all seemed to have been forced into causing stress and anxiety to abound.

[Bucco]

That's true, but things change that change society and the way we live our lives. I'm sure you are old enough to have experienced the difference in your childhood and upbringing to the way the majority of children are raised today, not to mention the upward trend of divorce that we have seen over the years. Those things have effects on young people and ultimately on society as a whole and how they live their down lives down the road as a result. Then throw in the hustle, bustle lifestyle that we all seemed to have been forced into causing stress and anxiety to abound.

I am old...born in 1939. I have lived through many changes, most of them great and exciting.

You mentioned divorce, etc. that is not a reflection of human nature. That is something we allowed, at least in this country. If you are speaking of the USA alone, but none of these changes have altered human nature, which is to protect our young. It exists with the same fervor, throughout the world in humankind and the animal world, and throughout the world.

We sure can concentrate on this and call it a change, but headlines through the world, in this fast moving world, tell us that the desire to protect our young is still a basic human nature trait. We give that very little though.

That was my point in the post that never made it. We seem to also have a need, and this need is not human nature, to create problems for various reasons, but it is not, in my opinion our basic human behavior changing. I have always been a student of history, and if you review any headlines over the past 80 years, you will find that that desire to nurture, protect our young has not changed.

Yep, people sure do live differently, but the human desire to protect our young has not changed

[graciegirl]

I am old...born in 1939. I have lived through many changes, most of them great and exciting.

You mentioned divorce, etc. that is not a reflection of human nature. That is something we allowed, at least in this country. If you are speaking of the USA alone, but none of these changes have altered human nature, which is to protect our young. It exists with the same fervor, throughout the world in humankind and the animal world, and throughout the world.

We sure can concentrate on this and call it a change, but headlines through the world, in this fast moving world, tell us that the desire to protect our young is still a basic human nature trait. We give that very little though.

That was my point in the post that never made it. We seem to also have a need, and this need is not human nature, to create problems for various reasons, but it is not, in my opinion our basic human behavior changing. I have always been a student of history, and if you review any headlines over the past 80 years, you will find that that desire to nurture, protect our young has not changed.

Yep, people sure do live differently, but the human desire to protect our young has not changed

I believe that how people raise their children from the time both you and I were born has changed and since mothers are separated from children now, I think they don't want to make waves in the more limited times they share. So they try NOT to show annoyance at bad behavior and THAT does harm to the child. They don't want to ruin the times they have with their child and treat them more like they are grandchildren rather than children. AND...instead of correcting the small stuff, which sometimes ends up being the big stuff, they overlook it. After all how important are manners? What does that mean teacher know about this dear child? I can see why he would sneak a drink, no big deal....do you see what I'm saying? Also the community is not involved in moral development like when we were little in the forties. If we stole strawberries from Mrs. Pazootie, we would be in big-um trouble.

[Abby10]

I believe that how people raise their children from the time both you and I were born has changed and since mothers are separated from children now, I think they don't want to make waves in the more limited times they share. So they try NOT to show annoyance at bad behavior and THAT does harm to the child. They don't want to ruin the times they have with their child and treat them more like they are grandchildren rather than children. AND...instead of correcting the small stuff, which sometimes ends up being the big stuff, they overlook it. After all how important are manners? what does that mean teacher know about this dear child? I can see why he would sneak a drink, no big deal....do you see what I'm saying?

I have experienced that with my own eyes and ears over the years that we raised our son. We were fortunate to finally find a circle of friends and a school filled with like-minded parents and teachers to surround ourselves with so that we would not be influenced by that thinking and so our son would not have to wonder why he was being reprimanded for things that other kids often got away with. We were at the cusp of that parenting trend and weren't liking what we saw. Permissiveness has gotten much worse since then in some circles. I applaud the parents today who don't fall into that trap just to be part of the crowd so to speak.

[CFrance]

The charts show it is not the day/time/era we live in.

There is no acceptable excuse such as forgot or will just be a minute......there is no excuse. It matters not, to me anyway, what their profession or status in life or how many other children.

There are those who should not be parents in the first place.

The only thing I can think of is the child/children are just not the priority they should be in a person's life.

I see, every day, young mothers in stores or parking lots with small children in the cart or walking nearby.....with their face in their telephone and not paying ANY attention to the children what so ever.

And when I see one that looks like a possible danger to the child, I do step up and break the mother's trance!!!
About half thank me....the other half I cannot type in public what I have been told!!!!!

What is one to do or should do if they come upon a child in a hot car? Put the life of the child first....call 911....
Keep doing what you're doing. Things CAN change.

[CFrance]

I have experienced that with my own eyes and ears over the years that we raised our son. We were fortunate to finally find a circle of friends and a school filled with like-minded parents and teachers to surround ourselves with so that we would not be influenced by that thinking and so our son would not have to wonder why he was being reprimanded for things that other kids often got away with. We were at the cusp of that parenting trend and weren't liking what we saw. Permissiveness has gotten much worse since then in some circles. I applaud the parents today who don't fall into that trap just to be part of the crowd so to speak.
Our kids used to tell us stories about how astounded they were at the way some of their friends talked to their parents. This was in the late '80s/early '90s. I have to be honest, I don't know what we did right, if anything. But we weren't afraid to discipline them, although we never hit them. Dad had "the look," which they joke about now at age 40 & 45. I yelled a lot--very ineffective, but I really wanted to throw a frying pan, so that was the alternative. Praise the lord for them. Two boys. Argh.

[Bucco]

I am happy we have such successful parents posting, but curious about whether you believe, good or bad parenting, if it is a natural, normal human behavior to protect your children. The worst of parents are known to bare their teeth if their children are in jeopardy.

I simply dismiss that this "era" has somehow diminished that behavior.

[Abby10]

I am happy we have such successful parents posting, but curious about whether you believe, good or bad parenting, if it is a natural, normal human behavior to protect your children. The worst of parents are known to bare their teeth if their children are in jeopardy.

I simply dismiss that this "era" has somehow diminished that behavior.

As I said in my previous post, I think heightened media reporting has made us more aware that these things happen. They may have been happening before as Bogie Shooter pointed out, but most of us never even knew about it.

I do think though that there has been a trend in recent years toward more busyness (both parents and children) and more desire for material things leading to less quality family time as a result. I'm not talking all, or even a majority, but more so than I noticed in my growing up years. Of course, I could be wrong.....

[Abby10]

Our kids used to tell us stories about how astounded they were at the way some of their friends talked to their parents. This was in the late '80s/early '90s. I have to be honest, I don't know what we did right, if anything. But we weren't afraid to discipline them, although we never hit them. Dad had "the look," which they joke about now at age 40 & 45. I yelled a lot--very ineffective, but I really wanted to throw a frying pan, so that was the alternative. Praise the lord for them. Two boys. Argh.

This sounds vaguely familiar, except only one boy here. Raising more than that makes one a saint in my book, St CFrance. :laugh: Glad to hear you were blessed in the end.

[retiredguy123]

I am rewriting my post because Bogie Shooter made me look at this with new eyes, with his statistics that make me see that these horrible things happen in about the same numbers every year, in fact maybe less since our population is burgeoning.

We can't change this. But none of us can stop anguishing if we have a heart.
Perhaps technology could change it. For example, a thermostat combined with a motion detector that would automatically open a window.

[CFrance]

I am happy we have such successful parents posting, but curious about whether you believe, good or bad parenting, if it is a natural, normal human behavior to protect your children. The worst of parents are known to bare their teeth if their children are in jeopardy.

I simply dismiss that this "era" has somehow diminished that behavior.

This is probably my third attempt at posting an answer to your question, Bucco. And I still don't know if I have it right.

I do believe protecting one's young is an instinct. But I believe other things interfere--being too rushed (the parent, late for work, that forgets to drop the child off at daycare and leaves him in the car); drugs (I leave my child alone at home because I MUST satisfy my addiction); stupidity--I didn't know that XXX could harm him; laziness--I know I should do X, Y, & Z to keep him safe, but I can't make the effort for various reasons. However, if someone tries to harm my child, I am all ferocious about protecting him. But I have to be there first.

There's kind of a double standard? I think the instinct is there. I'm not convinced that it supersedes the outside forces that impinge upon it.

I just don't know, but those are my thoughts.

[Bogie Shooter]

Perhaps technology could change it. For example, a thermostat combined with a motion detector that would automatically open a window.

Do a search on child detection devices. You will find the technology is already here...……………………...

[raynan]

We just got a 2017 Cadillac XTS and if ANYTHING or human is left on a seat the car honks when you try to leave car. Should be in all cars soon.

[EPutnam1863]

Just saw where 2 children died in hot cars yesterday in the US. 1 almost died in Florida yesterday, but someone saw the child in a car with the temperature at 94 degrees outside. The mother showed up 24 minutes later? Thought she had dropped the child off earlier???

What is wrong with parents today?

There have been parents who should not have been parents since the cave days. I am sure parents left their children out and alone while trying to find food, and these kids were eaten by animals.

[CFrance]

This sounds vaguely familiar, except only one boy here. Raising more than that makes one a saint in my book, St CFrance. :laugh: Glad to hear you were blessed in the end.
For some unknown reason they still love me.:D

[kcrazorbackfan]

How can anyone forget a child? 😡😡 I don’t care how busy people are or what they have on their mind, you don’t leave children or pets in hot vehicles. There is a special place in hell for these people.

[Bay Kid]

It appears from the graph provided, this problem started to grow in 1995-98, then jumped every year. I raised 2 of my children from a very young age and never would I be too busy, or anything, that would make me forget my children were in the car. I can think of no excuse.

[graciegirl]

For some unknown reason they still love me.:D

I will TELL you why they love you. You are kind and fair and passionate about things you believe in. You are bright and funny. You are compassionate and good and a little tiny bit ornery.

And you love a goofy golden who I am very fond of too.

[graciegirl]

It appears from the graph provided, this problem started to grow in 1995-98, then jumped every year. I raised 2 of my children from a very young age and never would I be too busy, or anything, that would make me forget my children were in the car. I can think of no excuse.

Me too, Bay Kid, me too.

[patfla06]

Parents are just plain inattentiive and are wrapped up in themselves.

I have a family friend who worked at an upscale child care in Florida. She told me if they opened 7 days a week
a lot of the parents would have their kids there all week.

Why? So they can live their life. They go to the gym, spend time with their friends or go shopping.

Maybe a lot more adults should think first about WHY they want kids. If you’re going to be a parent you can’t be selfish and inattentive.

Not everyone should have kids.

Your children should be your first priority.

[graciegirl]

Parents are just plain inattentiive and are wrapped up in themselves.

I have a family friend who worked at an upscale child care in Florida. She told me if they opened 7 days a week
a lot of the parents would have their kids there all week.

Why? So they can live their life. They go to the gym, spend time with their friends or go shopping.

Maybe a lot more adults should think first about WHY they want kids. If you’re going to be a parent you can’t be selfish and inattentive.

Not everyone should have kids.

Your children should be your first priority.

You are so right. I was totally shocked when I heard that someone left their child in day care so she could have a day off to herself. SHOCKED. And terribly saddened.

[ColdNoMore]

While some of these tragedies have obviously been a result of gross negligence (for whatever reason) by parents, I also believe some of them were just a horrible one-time mistake made by loving and caring parents...who are human and have to live with it every day for the rest of their lives.

Everyone can sit back and pat themselves on the back, say it could never have happened to them and their children, because 'my generation/parenting was far superior' to those now, but then one has to think about...who raised the parents to whom this happened?

I'm just grateful that I've never known anyone to which this horrible tragedy has occurred, but I'm certainly not so ignorant/arrogant to think that it... "could never happen to any parent that loves their children or are good parents." :ohdear:

[graciegirl]

It's another beautiful day in The Villages. Thank you Morse family.

[OhioBuckeye]

I guess these young parents weren't raised very good as a child either. I just can't imagine what these little kids go through heat exhaustion. I've heard that some of them go through convulsions, they find gobs of hair in these little kids hands. It must be a terrible death. This doesn't have anything to do with leaving a little kid in the car, but to show you how young parents treat their children. I was in a grocery store in Martinsburg, W.V. one time about 15 yrs. ago & I saw & address a young mother about 25 yrs. old that pick up her 3 or 4 yr. old son by the hair & I said how would you like it if someone did that to you, she looked me & said, "Mind your own F _ _ _ing business, that was the first time I just about pop a woman in the mouth. At least a mins. after that she picked him up by the shirt! I'm sure this little kid is probably treating his children just like he was treated because he probably thinks that's the way you raise you children. My point of this my comment is these kids that are left in the heat of a car & live through it are probably doing the same thing to their kids!

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1564103]Thank you Bogie. Information

Hi. Would you like to see and experience first hand, the absolute worst in parents? Suggestion:

Contact the County Social Services. Agree to take in one or two children of your favorite age group, you can set the time frame and limits. Be a Foster Parent, short time. You can have the Children for short terms. In that way you can see first hand, the incredible damage that some folks do toward their children and YET they get the Welfare money, they retain parental "rights".
We did it for many years folks, I could tell you some Hell Raising Stories about CHILD NEGLECT and it will be a valuable lesson. Yes, you can usually meet the parents,
unless they are in jail. A real meaningful venture and you can accomplish something, but not much.

bbbbbb :pray:

[graciegirl]

I think you are confused about my position on this, bbbbb

[robinsdw2]

I just can't understand how anyone could forget about a child in a car. Even a moron can remember there is a child in the car.

[Bonsai Golfer]

We should be very careful about making assumptions about these tragic cases. We don't know all the details.

With regard to those who think this could never happen to them or that these are horrible parents, think again.

Research into the operation of the human brain has shown that there are two kinds of memory, prospective and retrospective. These memories operate in different parts of the brain and retrospective memory (memory for past events) can interfere with prospective memory (memory for something we intend to do). Every one of us has experienced the situation where we were going to do something and then completely forgot about it. Often this happens when we get locked into a routine and what we intend to do is not part of this routine. As a trivial example, we intend to pick up milk on our way home from golf but we end up driving right past the store and don't remember what we were going to do until we get home. All of us have done something like this and on occasion it has been in very serious situation (missed doctor's appointment, missed medications, etc.)

Before anyone says, "children are different," it turns out the research shows (unfortunately) they aren't. The brain operates the way it operates and sometimes it leads to tragic consequences.

Now, this is not to say this is what happened in these situations. That is something that should be investigated. My only point is that we should be very careful about condemning people when we don't know all the facts.

[kcrazorbackfan]

we should be very careful about making assumptions about these tragic cases. We don't know all the details.

With regard to those who think this could never happen to them or that these are horrible parents, think again.

Research into the operation of the human brain has shown that there are two kinds of memory, prospective and retrospective. These memories operate in different parts of the brain and retrospective memory (memory for past events) can interfere with prospective memory (memory for something we intend to do). Every one of us has experienced the situation where we were going to do something and then completely forgot about it. Often this happens when we get locked into a routine and what we intend to do is not part of this routine. As a trivial example, we intend to pick up milk on our way home from golf but we end up driving right past the store and don't remember what we were going to do until we get home. All of us have done something like this and on occasion it has been in very serious situation (missed doctor's appointment, missed medications, etc.)

before anyone says, "children are different," it turns out the research shows (unfortunately) they aren't. The brain operates the way it operates and sometimes it leads to tragic consequences.

Now, this is not to say this is what happened in these situations. That is something that should be investigated. My only point is that we should be very careful about condemning people when we don't know all the facts.

there is no excuse for leaving a child or a pet in a hot vehicle!!! Period!!!!