[Bay Kid]

Just saw where 2 children died in hot cars yesterday in the US. 1 almost died in Florida yesterday, but someone saw the child in a car with the temperature at 94 degrees outside. The mother showed up 24 minutes later? Thought she had dropped the child off earlier???

What is wrong with parents today?

[graciegirl]

I am rewriting my post because Bogie Shooter made me look at this with new eyes, with his statistics that make me see that these horrible things happen in about the same numbers every year, in fact maybe less since our population is burgeoning.

We can't change this. But none of us can stop anguishing if we have a heart.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Just saw where 2 children died in hot cars yesterday in the US. 1 almost died in Florida yesterday, but someone saw the child in a car with the temperature at 94 degrees outside. The mother showed up 24 minutes later? Thought she had dropped the child off earlier???

What is wrong with parents today?

Nothing that was not there yesterday...
children hot car deaths statistics - Bing images

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Nothing that was not there yesterday...
children hot car deaths statistics - Bing images

Thank you Bogie. Information that isn't reassuring exactly but shows the problem has been the same for awhile.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Nothing that was not there yesterday...
children hot car deaths statistics - Bing images

Thanks for a great link and a great quote....

"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell."

[billethkid]

The charts show it is not the day/time/era we live in.

There is no acceptable excuse such as forgot or will just be a minute......there is no excuse. It matters not, to me anyway, what their profession or status in life or how many other children.

There are those who should not be parents in the first place.

The only thing I can think of is the child/children are just not the priority they should be in a person's life.

I see, every day, young mothers in stores or parking lots with small children in the cart or walking nearby.....with their face in their telephone and not paying ANY attention to the children what so ever.

And when I see one that looks like a possible danger to the child, I do step up and break the mother's trance!!!
About half thank me....the other half I cannot type in public what I have been told!!!!!

What is one to do or should do if they come upon a child in a hot car? Put the life of the child first....call 911....

[Abby10]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Nothing that was not there yesterday...
children hot car deaths statistics - Bing images

Interesting information. Obviously not as much has changed as it sometimes appears. The only thing that probably really makes the difference is the amount of media reporting available to us and therefore things often seem to be worse today than before. Growing up who even heard of so many of these things actually happening? I grew up in a very small, rather secluded town so maybe I was just more naive than most.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Abby10

Interesting information. Obviously not as much has changed as it sometimes appears. The only thing that probably really makes the difference is the amount of media reporting available to us and therefore things often seem to be worse today than before. Growing up who even heard of so many of these things actually happening? I grew up in a very small, rather secluded town so maybe I was just more naive than most.

People do not change from one decade to another...people are people, no matter what

[Abby10]

Originally Posted by Bucco

People do not change from one decade to another...people are people, no matter what

That's true, but things change that change society and the way we live our lives. I'm sure you are old enough to have experienced the difference in your childhood and upbringing versus the way the majority of children are raised today, not to mention the upward trend of divorce that we have seen over the years. Those things have effects on young people and ultimately on society as a whole and how they live their lives down the road as a result. Then throw in the hustle, bustle lifestyle that we all seemed to have been forced into causing stress and anxiety to abound.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Abby10

That's true, but things change that change society and the way we live our lives. I'm sure you are old enough to have experienced the difference in your childhood and upbringing to the way the majority of children are raised today, not to mention the upward trend of divorce that we have seen over the years. Those things have effects on young people and ultimately on society as a whole and how they live their down lives down the road as a result. Then throw in the hustle, bustle lifestyle that we all seemed to have been forced into causing stress and anxiety to abound.

I am old...born in 1939. I have lived through many changes, most of them great and exciting.

You mentioned divorce, etc. that is not a reflection of human nature. That is something we allowed, at least in this country. If you are speaking of the USA alone, but none of these changes have altered human nature, which is to protect our young. It exists with the same fervor, throughout the world in humankind and the animal world, and throughout the world.

We sure can concentrate on this and call it a change, but headlines through the world, in this fast moving world, tell us that the desire to protect our young is still a basic human nature trait. We give that very little though.

That was my point in the post that never made it. We seem to also have a need, and this need is not human nature, to create problems for various reasons, but it is not, in my opinion our basic human behavior changing. I have always been a student of history, and if you review any headlines over the past 80 years, you will find that that desire to nurture, protect our young has not changed.

Yep, people sure do live differently, but the human desire to protect our young has not changed

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I am old...born in 1939. I have lived through many changes, most of them great and exciting.

You mentioned divorce, etc. that is not a reflection of human nature. That is something we allowed, at least in this country. If you are speaking of the USA alone, but none of these changes have altered human nature, which is to protect our young. It exists with the same fervor, throughout the world in humankind and the animal world, and throughout the world.

We sure can concentrate on this and call it a change, but headlines through the world, in this fast moving world, tell us that the desire to protect our young is still a basic human nature trait. We give that very little though.

That was my point in the post that never made it. We seem to also have a need, and this need is not human nature, to create problems for various reasons, but it is not, in my opinion our basic human behavior changing. I have always been a student of history, and if you review any headlines over the past 80 years, you will find that that desire to nurture, protect our young has not changed.

Yep, people sure do live differently, but the human desire to protect our young has not changed

I believe that how people raise their children from the time both you and I were born has changed and since mothers are separated from children now, I think they don't want to make waves in the more limited times they share. So they try NOT to show annoyance at bad behavior and THAT does harm to the child. They don't want to ruin the times they have with their child and treat them more like they are grandchildren rather than children. AND...instead of correcting the small stuff, which sometimes ends up being the big stuff, they overlook it. After all how important are manners? What does that mean teacher know about this dear child? I can see why he would sneak a drink, no big deal....do you see what I'm saying? Also the community is not involved in moral development like when we were little in the forties. If we stole strawberries from Mrs. Pazootie, we would be in big-um trouble.

[Abby10]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I believe that how people raise their children from the time both you and I were born has changed and since mothers are separated from children now, I think they don't want to make waves in the more limited times they share. So they try NOT to show annoyance at bad behavior and THAT does harm to the child. They don't want to ruin the times they have with their child and treat them more like they are grandchildren rather than children. AND...instead of correcting the small stuff, which sometimes ends up being the big stuff, they overlook it. After all how important are manners? what does that mean teacher know about this dear child? I can see why he would sneak a drink, no big deal....do you see what I'm saying?

I have experienced that with my own eyes and ears over the years that we raised our son. We were fortunate to finally find a circle of friends and a school filled with like-minded parents and teachers to surround ourselves with so that we would not be influenced by that thinking and so our son would not have to wonder why he was being reprimanded for things that other kids often got away with. We were at the cusp of that parenting trend and weren't liking what we saw. Permissiveness has gotten much worse since then in some circles. I applaud the parents today who don't fall into that trap just to be part of the crowd so to speak.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The charts show it is not the day/time/era we live in.

There is no acceptable excuse such as forgot or will just be a minute......there is no excuse. It matters not, to me anyway, what their profession or status in life or how many other children.

There are those who should not be parents in the first place.

The only thing I can think of is the child/children are just not the priority they should be in a person's life.

I see, every day, young mothers in stores or parking lots with small children in the cart or walking nearby.....with their face in their telephone and not paying ANY attention to the children what so ever.

And when I see one that looks like a possible danger to the child, I do step up and break the mother's trance!!!
About half thank me....the other half I cannot type in public what I have been told!!!!!

What is one to do or should do if they come upon a child in a hot car? Put the life of the child first....call 911....

Keep doing what you're doing. Things CAN change.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Abby10

I have experienced that with my own eyes and ears over the years that we raised our son. We were fortunate to finally find a circle of friends and a school filled with like-minded parents and teachers to surround ourselves with so that we would not be influenced by that thinking and so our son would not have to wonder why he was being reprimanded for things that other kids often got away with. We were at the cusp of that parenting trend and weren't liking what we saw. Permissiveness has gotten much worse since then in some circles. I applaud the parents today who don't fall into that trap just to be part of the crowd so to speak.

Our kids used to tell us stories about how astounded they were at the way some of their friends talked to their parents. This was in the late '80s/early '90s. I have to be honest, I don't know what we did right, if anything. But we weren't afraid to discipline them, although we never hit them. Dad had "the look," which they joke about now at age 40 & 45. I yelled a lot--very ineffective, but I really wanted to throw a frying pan, so that was the alternative. Praise the lord for them. Two boys. Argh.

[Bucco]

I am happy we have such successful parents posting, but curious about whether you believe, good or bad parenting, if it is a natural, normal human behavior to protect your children. The worst of parents are known to bare their teeth if their children are in jeopardy.

I simply dismiss that this "era" has somehow diminished that behavior.