R I P John McCain

[manaboutown]

John McCain, U.S. Senator, Former Presidential Nominee, Prisoner Of War, Dies : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2018/08/25/537705767/sen-john-mccain-former-presidential-nominee-and-prisoner-of-war-dies-at-81)

John McCain - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain)

Condolences to his family.

[Schaumburger]

I had a lot of admiration for John McCain. America lost a good one today. I wish Senator McCain fair winds and following seas.

[ColdNoMore]

I had a lot of admiration for John McCain. America lost a good one today. I wish Senator McCain fair winds and following seas.

Yep.


He had more patriotism, ethics and integrity in his little pinkie, than.....

[graciegirl]

I had a lot of admiration for John McCain. America lost a good one today. I wish Senator McCain fair winds and following seas.

Beautifully said. He was a true patriot.

[Bucco]

When asked what he wanted on his tombstone, without skipping a beat his response......

HE SERVED HIS COUNTRY

[Schaumburger]

John McCain served in the U.S. Navy from 1958 to 1981, including spending 5 1/2 years as a POW in Vietnam. He was awarded numerous military honors.

The American flag is now being flown at half staff at the White House.

John McCain was an American hero.

[Chi-Town]

RIP Senator
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[tomwed]

I think, he had a big heart.

[BK001]

I think it is sad that some have become so callous that they are unable to simply offer (or refrain from offering) condolences without stooping to political vitriol.

Condolences to the McCain family and friends.

[ColdNoMore]

I think it is sad that some have become so callous that they are unable to simply offer (or refrain from offering) condolences without stooping to political vitriol.

Especially for someone who served their country for so long.



Condolences to the McCain family and friends.

Ditto.

[Schaumburger]

I think it is sad that some have become so callous that they are unable to simply offer (or refrain from offering) condolences without stooping to political vitriol.

Condolences to the McCain family and friends.

Well said. Thank you.

[Taltarzac725]

One of the few politicians I really admired. R.I.P. John McCain. He was a man of nobility, strength and courage.

To counter a false smear-- FACT CHECK: Was Sen. John McCain a 'Hanoi Hilton Songbird'? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-sen-john-mccain-a-hanoi-hilton-songbird/)

[ColdNoMore]

As he has said he was not always correct, but he ALWAYS had character, truth and honesty on his side.

He was a true patriot, not one in name, not phoney (everyone should remember he could have come out of that POW camp early, but would not leave without his comrades)

A TRUE conservative, a true gentleman.

RIP

Yep.

Whether one agreed with his positions or not, he could have taken the low road and would probably have had more support...yet he stood up for integrity, honesty and honor.

Which is all too lacking these days.

He was, by ANY measure...an American hero. :ho:

[Ecuadog]

RIP John McCain.

[Madelaine Amee]

Whether you agree with his politics or not, he was an honorable man and I just wish he could have lived a while longer to see what happens next.

My thoughts are with his wife and family. RIP

[redwitch]

My condolences his family, his friends and to all Americans. He served our great nation with honor, courage and integrity. He will be sorely missed.

[Love2Swim]

I think it is sad that some have become so callous that they are unable to simply offer (or refrain from offering) condolences without stooping to political vitriol.

Condolences to the McCain family and friends.


I agree. I don't know if it is callousness or lack of integrity. John McCain always put America first, and worked with politicians on both sides of the aisle, something we are sorely lacking today. RIP John McCain.

[Madelaine Amee]

You have confirmed my opinion about so many on here.

Disgusting to post extremist conspiracy theories when speaking of a TRUE American hero, who actually loved our country and spent his life serving it.

I would hope the moderators will allow my post to stand at least as long as the anti American post to which I respond.

It is becoming typical in our country to now say anything about anyone with no conscience about truth, and I think this poster, whose first reaction was to tear down a great man at his death.

John McCain made America great every day of his entire life and he did it with true love of country, family and service.

Everyone should watch video of him during the 2008 campaign when someone in a town hall made a personal comment about McCain' opponent, Barack OBama and he stopped the town hall and the speaker to explain how wrong the man was, and explain what character was all about.

A cheap shot, and again allow my opinion to stand as long as this persons cheap shot has stood.
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The individual who felt comfortable in showing his/here lack of any class has edited the post and deleted the link to yet another extremist conspiracy thus my post can be deleted if found offensive, but hoping people notice this kind of behavior and I guess just wishing that it is found to be the kind of behavior that is anti American and simply disgusting.

Bucco, with all my heart I thank you sincerely for your post. I could not believe the filth that people were alluding to on here this morning, it troubles me deeply to think we live in a world where people will believe anything fed to them especially if it is against someone who cannot defend themselves.

I grew up in a time when politicians crossed the aisle for the good of the people, John McCain is close to being the last man to do so. He will be deeply missed by people of all political persuasions.

[Love2Swim]

Of course, John McCain is being lauded by politicians all around the world. I was impressed with this comment from the former President:

John McCain and I were members of different generations, came from completely different backgrounds, and competed at the highest level of politics. But we shared, for all our differences, a fidelity to something higher – the ideals for which generations of Americans and immigrants alike have fought, marched, and sacrificed. We saw our political battles, even, as a privilege, something noble, an opportunity to serve as stewards of those high ideals at home, and to advance them around the world. We saw this country as a place where anything is possible – and citizenship as our patriotic obligation to ensure it forever remains that way.

Few of us have been tested the way John once was, or required to show the kind of courage that he did. But all of us can aspire to the courage to put the greater good above our own. At John’s best, he showed us what that means. And for that, we are all in his debt. Michelle and I send our most heartfelt condolences to Cindy and their family....

[Bjeanj]

Prayers for Senator McCain - a true patriot. He will be missed.

[Matzy]

I admired his strong will and good character, he was a politician par excellence. My condolence to his family.

[BobnBev]

I think the late Senator should be given the CMOH, for his actions in WWII.:bigbow: RIP, true American hero.

[CWGUY]

:confused: Born 29 Aug. 1936

[eweissenbach]

You have confirmed my opinion about so many on here.

Disgusting to post extremist conspiracy theories when speaking of a TRUE American hero, who actually loved our country and spent his life serving it.

I would hope the moderators will allow my post to stand at least as long as the anti American post to which I respond.

It is becoming typical in our country to now say anything about anyone with no conscience about truth, and I think this poster, whose first reaction was to tear down a great man at his death.

John McCain made America great every day of his entire life and he did it with true love of country, family and service.

Everyone should watch video of him during the 2008 campaign when someone in a town hall made a personal comment about McCain' opponent, Barack OBama and he stopped the town hall and the speaker to explain how wrong the man was, and explain what character was all about.

A cheap shot, and again allow my opinion to stand as long as this persons cheap shot has stood.
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The individual who felt comfortable in showing his/here lack of any class has edited the post and deleted the link to yet another extremist conspiracy thus my post can be deleted if found offensive, but hoping people notice this kind of behavior and I guess just wishing that it is found to be the kind of behavior that is anti American and simply disgusting.

Good post Bucco, my friend. McCain may well have been President but for Karl Rove's dirty tricks in the 2000 primary campaign, and his unfortunate pick as a running mate in 2008.

[graciegirl]

There is a time and place for everything. A eulogy thread is the time to say something good and to say goodbye. Not to start a debate or make a dig.

[graciegirl]

PLEASE pass that on the OP....disgusting links and insinuation, and his reason for taking it down

"to delete controversial assessment"

That link was his or her first and intitial thought and what they wanted to share with others.

The reason for taking if off tells you the true soul of the poster and the true thoughts.

Lecture them, nobody else

My bet is you will never mention it to him at all nor do you find anything wrong with it. YES, I am angry.......this attitude in this country has to change. USE this REAL great American as an inspiration to change this hate filled dialogue that we are reduced to.

I missed it entirely. I bet most did. I had no idea what songbird meant and after it was alluded to looked it up and still don't know.

[graciegirl]

In my opinion, very few want to fight and hurt others or watch it happen. Hate is the reason for wars that imprisoned someone like John McCain. He was tortured and suffered for his country.

I think of him as a good man, a strong man, a man not afraid to voice his convictions and stand for his beliefs. A man who was loved by his family and people who knew him and made waves that caused people to watch and to listen and to learn. He was brave and dedicated to this country. He was not always understood, but he didn't stand down. He was respected by most people in this country. He will be missed and his name and life will be respected and he will go down in history as a patriot and a brave man.

That is my opinion. I have read yours. Carry on.

[CWGUY]

I think it is sad that some have become so callous that they are unable to simply offer (or refrain from offering) condolences without stooping to political vitriol.

Condolences to the McCain family and friends.

:agree: (Sorry Madelaine)

[graciegirl]

:agree: (Sorry Madelaine)

Good person. CW. My mom would have liked you.

[Moderator]

We have removed several posts in this thread that became orphans when the OP edited his initial comment. Others were removed because they were veiled political comments. And others were clearly directed at a member.

Moderator

[Bucco]

Sen McCain has left us in body, but may his spirit of TRUTH, TRUE PATRIOTISM, integrity and strong will somehow infuse itself into our daily life.

His version of America is my version......may that spirit instill itself in others.

[Bucco]

I saw it. I also saw the link from an extremist website posted by same a few days ago. It did not show the source on the link-line. I clicked on it. :22yikes:
After I saw the poison, I had to douse my iPad in Clorox and run it through the washer — twice!




Thank you for speaking up, Bucco. I am terrified for our country. How can people be so easily manipulated? I taught 1984 in 1984. I never dreamed I would be living it. (It was my party — a while back —and I’ll cry if I want to.)




Thank you Madeleine.



I almost responded to that tasteless, classless, lying post, early this morning. But then I went away for a while. Thanks for following through.

I am sure the thread will be shut down soon. But at least we had a say.

Well, much of my "say" has been deleted. Those of us who object to the hate are the bad guys it appears. But the idea I suppose was to insure it was taken down. I got sucked into being angry because Sen McCain is a hero, deserves to be honored, but today's world does not allow for honor or truth.

I should have used better judgement and expected this type of behavior on here.

[CWGUY]

Well, much of my "say" has been deleted. Those of us who object to the hate are the bad guys it appears. But the idea I suppose was to insure it was taken down. I got sucked into being angry because Sen McCain is a hero, deserves to be honored, but today's world does not allow for honor or truth.

I should have used better judgement and expected this type of behavior on here.

:ohdear: George Bernard Shaw - "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

[Bucco]

:ohdear: George Bernard Shaw - "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

Good choice of a quote.

Shame how things have developed.

[manaboutown]

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[Buffalo Jim]

Yep.


He had more patriotism, ethics and integrity in his little pinkie, than.....


than what or who ? More than an organization ? More than a particular group of people or a particular person ?
I don't understand your point or how it might be part of a Condolence Thread .

[Bucco]

than what or who ? More than an organization ? More than a particular group of people or a particular person ?
I don't understand your point or how it might be part of a Condolence Thread .

I didn't understand a link to a stupid debunked conspiracy theory at the start either.

[ColdNoMore]

i think the late senator should be given the cmoh, for his actions in WWII.:bigbow: Rip, true american hero.

"World War 2?"

[Chi-Town]

than what or who ? More than an organization ? More than a particular group of people or a particular person ?
I don't understand your point or how it might be part of a Condolence Thread .Wondered about it for a whole day, did you. Wish I could help.

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[BobnBev]

"World War 2?"

LOL...I had been reading a book on WWII and I guess my mind wandered....a brain fart if you will.....sorry about that.:pray:

[tophcfa]

Ahmen John, thank you very much for everything you did! RIP

[Nucky]

RIP John McCain. He did what he thought was the best for our country. We need more like him before there is no country.

Bravo to The Moderator who straightened out the ledger. I admire the new even-handedness. It's a compliment, not a shot.

[graciegirl]

There are very few people in this world that would want all of the pages of their book read aloud at their funeral.

[airstreamingypsy]

I think the word "hero" is over used these days, but not in John McCain's case. He exemplified the word hero. When he was captive, and when he was on the senate floor he always did what he felt was the right thing to do, that takes courage. On a more personal note, my dear friend spent an afternoon with him, her words to me yesterday, "I spent a whole day with dear John McCain. He had his driver drop him off at the ranch gate and he walked the two miles in, LOL! He knew my dad and he berated me for being too tan (he still had band aids on from his skin cancer surgery). He was totally genuine and sincerely sweet."

[Bucco]

I think the word "hero" is over used these days, but not in John McCain's case. He exemplified the word hero. When he was captive, and when he was on the senate floor he always did what he felt was the right thing to do, that takes courage. On a more personal note, my dear friend spent an afternoon with him, her words to me yesterday, "I spent a whole day with dear John McCain. He had his driver drop him off at the ranch gate and he walked the two miles in, LOL! He knew my dad and he berated me for being too tan (he still had band aids on from his skin cancer surgery). He was totally genuine and sincerely sweet."

Does not matter how the naysayers and such portray him, he is a national hero. He exemplifies all that is good...all that is the USA. As he often said, he was not perfect, actually flawed, but he showed class, patriotism and character in his entire life.

A shame the WH refuses to join everyone else and even fly our nations flag at half mast.

[Bucco]

There are very few people in this world that would want all of the pages of their book read aloud at their funeral.

Real leaders - like John McCain - know that “character is what you do in the dark, when no one is watching.”

[mellincf]

It says a lot that he requested two former Presidents who both beat him in an election to speak at his funeral.

[ColdNoMore]

I would question the integrity of someone who insists on trying to use half-truths, falsehoods and innuendo to besmirch the reputation of a much admired hero whose death has impacted millions.

:bigbow:...:bigbow:...:bigbow:

[Bucco]

I would question the integrity of someone who insists on trying to use half-truths, falsehoods and innuendo to besmirch the reputation of a much admired hero whose death has impacted millions.

The ERA of hate filled, petty, mean spirited conspiracy theory, ALL of them discounted but still carried on and I suppose we should sympathize with those so easily manipulated as these folks are.

But, it manifest the true and honest soul of those folks.

[ColdNoMore]

The ERA of hate filled, petty, mean spirited conspiracy theory, ALL of them discounted but still carried on and I suppose we should sympathize with those so easily manipulated as these folks are.

But, it manifest the true and honest soul of those folks.

Yep, that would be the decent thing to do.

[Ecuadog]

"The only difference between the saint and the sinner is that every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future." -- Oscar Wilde

[jebartle]

Of course, John McCain is being lauded by politicians all around the world. I was impressed with this comment from the former President:

John McCain and I were members of different generations, came from completely different backgrounds, and competed at the highest level of politics. But we shared, for all our differences, a fidelity to something higher – the ideals for which generations of Americans and immigrants alike have fought, marched, and sacrificed. We saw our political battles, even, as a privilege, something noble, an opportunity to serve as stewards of those high ideals at home, and to advance them around the world. We saw this country as a place where anything is possible – and citizenship as our patriotic obligation to ensure it forever remains that way.

Few of us have been tested the way John once was, or required to show the kind of courage that he did. But all of us can aspire to the courage to put the greater good above our own. At John’s best, he showed us what that means. And for that, we are all in his debt. Michelle and I send our most heartfelt condolences to Cindy and their family....
:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[graciegirl]

None of y'all disappoint. You are what you always are.
Bless your little hearts. :pray:

[ColdNoMore]

Why am I not surprised that the Russian media (totally controlled by Putin)...hated McCain also?


Burning in hell: Russian press sheds few tears for McCain (https://www.yahoo.com/news/burning-hell-russian-press-sheds-few-tears-mccain-114218105.html)

[Bucco]

Why am I not surprised that the Russian media (totally controlled by Putin)...hated McCain also?


Burning in hell: Russian press sheds few tears for McCain (https://www.yahoo.com/news/burning-hell-russian-press-sheds-few-tears-mccain-114218105.html)

Yep, he was a thorn in their side for many years. Great stories about somewho wanted to be in his campaign staff, but wanted concessions FOR Russia, and "lighter" words about Russia. McCain showed them the door.

[graciegirl]

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[golfinglady316]

The flags at the White House is no longer at half staff. It was flown at half staff for less than 48 hours. The flags at the U.S. Capitol are still flown at half staff and will continue until his internment.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach:
I would question the integrity of someone who insists on trying to use half-truths, falsehoods and innuendo to besmirch the reputation of a much admired hero whose death has impacted millions.

:bigbow:

[graciegirl]

The flags at the White House is no longer at half staff. It was flown at half staff for less than 48 hours. The flags at the U.S. Capitol are still flown at half staff and will continue until his internment.

There is another thread that is discussing just that issue.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach:
I would question the integrity of someone who insists on trying to use half-truths, falsehoods and innuendo to besmirch the reputation of a much admired hero whose death has impacted millions.

:bigbow:

I have found the last few days to be very sad relative to our government and the leadership reaction to losing such a man as McCain.

And this once quiet friendly board to talk with each other, simply has shocked me.

Having people go way way out of their way to demean a man whose politics you may not like, but nothing but a class honest character man......to go out of your way to dig and dig to demean him is simply not my America at all nor the way this board used to be.

The lack of criticism for some of the posts yells loudly to me. Those who will criticize posters for misspelling Sumter or some other minor offense simply go silent, which we all know is not SILENT but a loud approval of those actions.

It is truely sad that we have come to this......mean spirited, spiteful actions are for children.......I recall the many who argued loudly with each other in congress for years, with never ever a personal attack and who could then put their arms around each other and pledge allegiance to our country.

We can wish all good things to the dictator killer IN Korea, we can wish well to the killer in the former soviet BUT we can't even allow a real honest American hero to rest in peace.

At first angry, now very sad

[graciegirl]

Must be a gender thing. Perhaps hate is too strong. Inflammatory. How do you like that word.

[graciegirl]

Agreed 100%! Say what you mean, mean what you say.

You want me to cuss?

[Bucco]

My dislike about the guy is based on fact, not some bomb throwing email that's been tossed around since the guy was running for prez.
If people find facts inflammatory then maybe reality isn't for them.

My respect and admiration for the man is also based on FACT, and some personal experience.

Again what kind of person would entertain posting such garbage negativity on someones death ? What might be the purpose of that ?

[graciegirl]

In five years most of us will be onto another issue, this issue forgotten. If we are here at all.

You can't change peoples minds that have a set view and you can't get blood out of a turnip.

In ten years many of us will be totally forgotten, and the seniors in High School won't be learning anything about John McCain or much about President Trump either.

[manaboutown]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1575717

In ten years many of us will be totally forgotten, and the seniors in High School won't be learning anything about John McCain or much about President Trump either.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I don't know...Four score and seven years, ago, Keep Cool and Keep Coolidge, I like Ike, a chicken in every pot...

[Bucco]

In five years most of us will be onto another issue, this issue forgotten. If we are here at all.

You can't change peoples minds that have a set view and you can't get blood out of a turnip.

In ten years many of us will be totally forgotten, and the seniors in High School won't be learning anything about John McCain or much about President Trump either.

What I have seen on this forum recently is NOT simply an expression of "views" but more a look into some souls that seem to be black.

And your prediction could not be more in error. Your attitude on history is one of another fear planted FOR you. It is another made up fear

History will live forever...our leaders words will live forever. You cant say "whoopsie" and move on and rewrite what is true and factual. Actually in the era of videos and such, it is impossible to run from history.

Again, what I am speaking of is not one about views....it is something that in order to be so filled with such venom, must be part of you....must be you (that is a collective you, by the way). You do not just get up and begin to attack others, no matter the circumstances.

[ColdNoMore]

I have found the last few days to be very sad relative to our government and the leadership reaction to losing such a man as McCain.

And this once quiet friendly board to talk with each other, simply has shocked me.

Having people go way way out of their way to demean a man whose politics you may not like, but nothing but a class honest character man......to go out of your way to dig and dig to demean him is simply not my America at all nor the way this board used to be.

The lack of criticism for some of the posts yells loudly to me. Those who will criticize posters for misspelling Sumter or some other minor offense simply go silent, which we all know is not SILENT but a loud approval of those actions.

It is truely sad that we have come to this......mean spirited, spiteful actions are for children.......I recall the many who argued loudly with each other in congress for years, with never ever a personal attack and who could then put their arms around each other and pledge allegiance to our country.

We can wish all good things to the dictator killer IN Korea, we can wish well to the killer in the former soviet BUT we can't even allow a real honest American hero to rest in peace.

At first angry, now very sad

YEP! :ohdear:

[redwitch]

I informed her the he had split on his severely disabled wife and 3 kids for another gal 20 years younger who he'd already been sleeping with... who just happened to have a father who was worth a ton of money. Now that's integrity huh.
Yeah, throwing your disabled wife with 3 young kids to the curb is so admirable. He's such a man of character and integrity.
Would you rather I lie or tell the truth?

What's the purpose you ask? To inform and not be pulled on the bandwagon. Like I've said many times before. Hero? You bet. He lived in hell for years. Character? um sure

McCain was the first to admit what he did to his first wife was wrong. He also said one of his biggest regrets was signing the Vietnamese “confession”. So, yes, he’s made mistakes, some egregious, some pretty unforgivable by many standards, but he’s also shown great courage, integrity to his beliefs, and more honor than most politicians.

I think that most didn’t want you to lie but just to leave these comments for a different thread. Even the President has kept his negative thoughts and comments to himself (so far). This was and is a thread of condolences, sympathy, sorrow.

[Bucco]

The fact you admired him is none of my business. Ditto for the respect.


I know someone who's family life as a kid was crap because her father flew the coop with her, her sisters and their mother! This same person just last night was telling me what a fine man he must have been because all she had been hearing was how great a person he was and a hero to boot.
I informed her the he had split on his severely disabled wife and 3 kids for another gal 20 years younger who he'd already been sleeping with... who just happened to have a father who was worth a ton of money. Now that's integrity huh.
Yeah, throwing your disabled wife with 3 young kids to the curb is so admirable. He's such a man of character and integrity.
Would you rather I lie or tell the truth?

What's the purpose you ask? To inform and not be pulled on the bandwagon. Like I've said many times before. Hero? You bet. He lived in hell for years. Character? um sure

Glad you brought this up.

First, Senator McCain, never one for boasting has referred many time that his failed first marriage as "my greatest moral failure" and both his first and second family have had great relations over the years...

His first wife was hurt in an automobile accident and as it turns out he rehabbed from POW ALONGSIDE HER. The marriage was very difficult when he came back, but it lasted, I think, about 7 more years.

He had adopted the children of his first wife, and I never heard him boast about cheating, or ever bash his wife,

Divorce is rough, but this one, even though divorce, was done without the animosity or public humiliaion.

If that is your reason for demoting him from being a good man, I have been lectured (on this board) that divorce does not make a man a bad person. I never felt that way, but many use that little phrase to excuse public humiliation if a spouse, or public cheating.

You surely made the story melo dramatic, eggerated facts, etc, but as you as you told me....your lack of admiration is none of my business

[graciegirl]

Beautifully said. He was a true patriot.


Early in this thread. I said this. I believe this country grieves for John McCain.... But I do believe that even heroes fade from memory with time..... And history takes a while to shake out to see just what happened and how it influenced the world.

Sometimes it is hard to see the forces that are moving and changing the world at the time that the forces ARE moving and changing the world.

[Jayhawk]

Politically, I liked a lot about Sen. McCain. Voted for him as President. However, as a person, he was a nasty, mean SOB. Even his good friend Sen. Graham said, "if he didn't cuss you out you weren't trying hard enough". Check out the things he said to his own wife and you'll understand. Report: McCain's Profane Tirade At His Wife | HuffPost (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html) It has been said if they rename the Senate Office Building after him, at least you won't have to change the initials.

[Bucco]

Politically, I liked a lot about Sen. McCain. Voted for him as President. However, as a person, he was a nasty, mean SOB. Even his good friend Sen. Graham said, "if he didn't cuss you out you weren't trying hard enough". Check out the things he said to his own wife and you'll understand. Report: McCain's Profane Tirade At His Wife | HuffPost (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html) It has been said if they rename the Senate Office Building after him, at least you won't have to change the initials.

This may be a good sign....this post.

For at least TWO YEARS, I have been told so loud and clear that MORALS DO NOT MATTER AT ALL IN PUBLIC OFFICE....that hookers, strippers and publicly embarrassing your wife is not to be used against you at all. Lying, i am told is to be ignored as well.

SO....your return to moral conduct would be very welcome !

[Chi-Town]

Some souls are being bared on this thread which is good, because you get some good insight.

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[ColdNoMore]

Some souls are being bared on this thread which is good, because you get some good insight.


Yep.

[Bucco]

Sorry. If you and I were to meet and you told me that your husband did exactly what he did under the exact same circumstances... I'd tell you that your husband was a POS. Had he done that to you I don't think that you'd be arguing the point either. Would you?

Had some kid come walking in to talk to me so mad at himself he wanted to die (happened too many times) because he thought his daddy left because of something he had done. Yeah, I'd think his dad was a POS.

Had she been your daughter and her husband (your son in law) threw her to the curb I'm sure I'd be hearing what a classy guy he was years down the road from you.

Sorry. I spent over 10 years working with kids who's mother, father or both split on them. I've seen up close and way too many times what happens.

Sorry. Apologizing, regretting your actions or feeling bad about splitting from your 3 kids and severely handicapped wife for another fresher one, 20 years newer... well, it doesn't put the moral, character or integrity card back in your pocket to play again.
Hero yes. Upstanding character? Maybe yours but not in my book.

Later. I'm out.

Amazing, isn't it...how for. Couple years ON THIS FORUM, we were told emphatically how moral conduct meant NOTHING.

Should we understand the sudden interest in Sen McCain and his foibles, all of which he is sorry for and admitted, is just so damn important.

I suspect, all this "holiness" will go away...seems to be floating moral authority.

[Mikeod]

Politically, I liked a lot about Sen. McCain. Voted for him as President. However, as a person, he was a nasty, mean SOB. Even his good friend Sen. Graham said, "if he didn't cuss you out you weren't trying hard enough". Check out the things he said to his own wife and you'll understand. Report: McCain's Profane Tirade At His Wife | HuffPost (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html) It has been said if they rename the Senate Office Building after him, at least you won't have to change the initials.

I looked at the link you provided. I find it interesting that the reporters who described the incident requested anonymity. I, personally, dismiss any report or reporter who provides any kind of information only if they can remain anonymous. What courage. It’s too easy to demean a person or institution when you can’t be called upon to back up your assertions by remaining anonymous.

[Boomer]

Some souls are being bared on this thread which is good, because you get some good insight.

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Yes. People are showing us who they really are.

I did not see any surprises though. I have been reading between the lines (and not between the lines) for years around here. Toooooo long.

[Bucco]

Yes. People are showing us who they really are.

I did not see any surprises though. I have been reading between the lines (and not between the lines) for years around here. Toooooo long.

I am not very good at the "between the lines" reading, but hypocrisy runs rampant on here on this issue, and the hypocrites are standing to be counted at least.

The desire to hurt is so obvious and to flame out at someone's death is simply terrible, mean spirited and something I personally (although who cares) will never forget.

But they follow a lead firmly established.

[Bucco]

To me moral conduct and character means everything. When I was a kid, "Duke Cunningham" Duke Cunningham - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Cunningham) was my hero. I seriously admired the guy. 30ish years later he turned into a crook. He still is a war hero, but he's also a thief!
JM is a hero as well, but he doesn't have the character I'd like my children to be around. Abandoning a family to me is something not to be forgiven for.

The only sudden interest in JM isn't sudden to me at all, it may be to others I don't know. I've known about he abandoned his family for decades.

I understand.

When he dies, let's magnify and present an over dramatic story.

Heck, anything to disrupt his being honored, and stay with the mood of the thread.

[Bucco]

OK, you win. Rest In Peace Mr Mccain.

No win...you did what you wanted or was expected, so if there could be a winner, it would be you.

Another sad lesson from this entire thread.....naming winners and losers.

[ColdNoMore]

Yes. People are showing us who they really are.

I did not see any surprises though. I have been reading between the lines (and not between the lines) for years around here. Toooooo long.

I am not very good at the "between the lines" reading, but hypocrisy runs rampant on here on this issue, and the hypocrites are standing to be counted at least.

The desire to hurt is so obvious and to flame out at someone's death is simply terrible, mean spirited and something I personally (although who cares) will never forget.

But they follow a lead firmly established.

Yep...and yep. :ohdear:

[graciegirl]

:ohdear: