Can I go outside and play now mom?

[GoodLife]

Lots of threads about playing pickleball, softball, golf, swimming etc

Conversation typically goes like this:

Go outsider: I want to play softball, pickleball, golf, swimming etc

Stay at homer: Noooooooo!!!! You'll kill us all!!!

Go outsider: How so? You don't have to play if you don't want to.

Stay at homer: Your dangerous activity will infect me when I go to Publix!!!

Go outsider: You are much more likely to get infected inside a supermarket than I am on a softball field.

Stay at homer: You'll have blood on your hands!!!

And so on...

Stay at homers should be advised that there are only two ways to reduce risk to zero.

Achieve worldwide herd immunity (could take 1.5 to 2 years) or produce 8 billion shots of 100% effective vaccine. (not likely based on medical history)

Risk of contagion drops dramatically when you are outside. In a study of : Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf

The FDA has never approved a vaccine for humans that is effective against any member of the coronavirus family, which includes SARS, MERS, and several that cause the common cold

Will There Be a Coronavirus Vaccine? Maybe Not (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/will-there-be-a-coronavirus-vaccine-maybe-not.html)

[Altavia]

Great reality check. F

Fresh air and sunshine significantly reduce the half life and are our friends.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/panthr_covid-19_fact_sheet_v13_27apr-final_0.pdf

[Polar Bear]

So at least you admit to being a "Go outsider".

Now a "Stay at homer" should duplicate this post with that point of view. I'm guessing one would be about as convincing as the other...and likely change equally as many minds. :)

[Altavia]

CDC IS also indicating strong correlation to spending time in air-conditioned environments.

COVID-19 Outbreak Associated with Air Conditioning in Restaurant, Guangzhou, China, 2020

We conclude that in this outbreak, droplet transmission was prompted by air-conditioned ventilation. The key factor for infection was the direction of the airflow. Of note, patient B3 was afebrile and 1% of the patients in this outbreak were asymptomatic, providing a potential source of outbreaks among the public (7,8). To prevent spread of COVID-19 in restaurants, we recommend strengthening temperature-monitoring surveillance, increasing the distance between tables, and improving ventilation.

Early Release - COVID-19 Outbreak Associated with Air Conditioning in Restaurant, Guangzhou, China, 2020 - Volume 26, Number 7—July 2020 - Emerging Infectious Diseases journal - CDC (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article)

[GoodLife]

So at least you admit to being a "Go outsider".

Now a "Stay at homer" should duplicate this post with that point of view. I'm guessing one would be about as convincing as the other...and likely change equally as many minds. :)

Actually, I have been a stay at homer for almost 6 weeks, and I haven't stepped foot inside a building other than my own home during that time. Scientific evidence now tells me that this was a wise strategy, as 99% plus of infections occur indoors. Recent studies showing that sunlight deactivates the virus in less than 2 minutes gives me confidence in starting outdoor activities like golf.

I welcome any science which tells us that shopping in a supermarket is less dangerous than playing softball etc.

[Altavia]

So at least you admit to being a "Go outsider".
I'm guessing one would be about as convincing as the other...and likely change equally as many minds. :)

Very true. :)

In the begining, we didn't know what we didn't know. Now we have evidence transmission in an outside environment seems to be approaching the likelyhood of being struck by lightening.

We need learn and focus on the high risk areas. Wash your hands, don't touch your face, social distance, use masks in interior environments.

Introducing more frequent air exchange in interior environments may be as/more important than additional distancing.

[rustyp]

Actually, I have been a stay at homer for almost 6 weeks, and I haven't stepped foot inside a building other than my own home during that time. Scientific evidence now tells me that this was a wise strategy, as 99% plus of infections occur indoors. Recent studies showing that sunlight deactivates the virus in less than 2 minutes gives me confidence in starting outdoor activities like golf.

I welcome any science which tells us that shopping in a supermarket is less dangerous than playing softball etc.

What's your point ? Come Monday your wish is coming true. Outdoors will begin to open to you. OH I'll bet softball is not one of the activities starting up on Monday.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

And if you read that report on the internet , it must be TRUE!!!

[GoodLife]

What's your point ? Come Monday your wish is coming true. Outdoors will begin to open to you. OH I'll bet softball is not one of the activities starting up on Monday.

It's quite obvious what my point is. Science is telling us that most outdoor activities carry little risk of infection. That includes softball. Perhaps I should start a thread shaming those who enter supermarkets because they are going to kill us all. :a040:

[Gpsma]

217 cases in Sumter County with a population of probably 135,000

But panic and fear mongering have won the day in The Villages.

Lets all be sheeple and wear our useless masks...walk down the aisles like big brother tells us too...

Amazing how quickly people obey without thinking

[Marvic 1]

I welcome any science which tells us that shopping in a supermarket is less dangerous than playing softball etc.

I am also lets go outside guys but need to comment to part of your post:
Their is no sweating, spitting, giving high fives in supermarkets...

[Tom53]

There's also a difference between essentials and play time.

[rustyp]

It's quite obvious what my point is. Science is telling us that most outdoor activities carry little risk of infection. That includes softball. Perhaps I should start a thread shaming those who enter supermarkets because they are going to kill us all. :a040:


Starting a thread shaming others about entering supermarkets is perfectly legal but playing softball right now in Florida is against the law (executive order). Just a what if - when and if softball opens back up half your teammates don't show up because they think it is better to be safe than sorry. Will you shame them ?

[bumpygreens]

I am also lets go outside guys but need to comment to part of your post:
Their is no sweating, spitting, giving high fives in supermarkets...

That's true, but there is enough coughing, hacking and sneezing to make up for it. Have a nice day, and thank you for shopping with us.

[npwalters]

The Villages is actually being more cautious than most of the local towns. Lady Lake dog parks never closed. They are playing pickleball at several locations in the surrounding areas. I'm sure there are more examples - these are just the ones I have seen personally. I look forward to the day when "abundance of caution" gives way and every outdoor activity opens back up. I will be playing on day 1.

My unscientific and purely personal opinion is that there is lest virus risk associated with pickleball or softball (when some precautions are taken) than with the swimming venues. Amazingly, no one asked me first.

[GoodLife]

I am also lets go outside guys but need to comment to part of your post:
Their is no sweating, spitting, giving high fives in supermarkets...

As stated before, I welcome any evidence that shopping in supermarkets is less risky than softball, pickleball, golf etc

[Gpsma]

My unscientific and purely personal opinion is that there is lest virus risk associated with pickleball or softball (when some precautions are taken) than with the swimming venues. Amazingly, no one asked me first.

There is less risk of catching this virus then getting hit in a roundabout

[Altavia]

I am also lets go outside guys but need to comment to part of your post:
Their is no sweating, spitting, giving high fives in supermarkets...

There's dumb and dumber everywhere. A woman in a supermarket pulled her mask down to sneeze into her hands while standing next to me.

I'm afraid the inappropriate use of and sense of false security using masks and gloves is at best a wash reducing risk when applied to the general population.

[Altavia]

And if you read that report on the internet , it must be TRUE!!!

When the report is from the scientists such as those at the National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center | Homeland Security (https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/national-biodefense-analysis-and-countermeasures-center) people should listen

[GoodLife]

There is less risk of catching this virus then getting hit in a roundabout

Don't know if I would go that far, anybody know how many roundabout accidents happen per year?

I think people are missing the big picture here. Forget about whether supermarkets are safer than outdoor sports. (they aren't, opposite is true)

The virus is not stopped by lockdowns, they just slow it down. The virus will continue in waves for maybe 2 years until herd immunity is achieved, or a 100% effective vaccine is produced, which may be never. Prepared to shelter in place that long?

If we don't get the economy up and rolling soon, the entire world and all its governments will go bankrupt, and your SS checks, pensions etc will go bye bye. money would cease to have any value. Maybe you survive if you have a farm with animals to milk and eat, vegetable garden, and your own well.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sites/default/files/public/downloads/cidrap-covid19-viewpoint-part1_0.pdf

[GoodLife]

There's dumb and dumber everywhere. A woman in a supermarket pulled her mask down to sneeze into her hands while standing next to me.

I'm afraid the inappropriate use of and sense of false security using masks and gloves is at best a wash reducing risk when applied to the general population.

I don't even have a mask, that's why I don't go inside any buildings.

[dewilson58]

There's dumb and dumber everywhere. A woman in a supermarket pulled her mask down to sneeze into her hands while standing next to me.



How many heads turned on that one??? :ohdear:

[B767drvr]

The curve has been flattened, which was the reason for the "stay at home" order. Seems logical the order should be lifted and businesses allowed to open and people allowed to play.

Again, the stay at home order was to flatten the curve, NOT attempt to eliminate the virus - can't be done.

[coffeebean]

There's dumb and dumber everywhere. A woman in a supermarket pulled her mask down to sneeze into her hands while standing next to me.

I'm afraid the inappropriate use of and sense of false security using masks and gloves is at best a wash reducing risk when applied to the general population.

You are not serious. Are you? What was she thinking?

[coffeebean]

I don't even have a mask, that's why I don't go inside any buildings.

Do you have paper towels, printer paper, tissues, rubber bands and stapler? You can make a mask which will protect people around you.

Here is a video of how to make this super easy, no sew mask.......

2 Minute 5 Layer 3D No-Sew Paper Towel Face Mask #Masks4all - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usKgChGqVl0)

[Altavia]

How many heads turned on that one???

No kidding, motivated me to enroll in the COVID Viagra Clinical Trial :1rotfl:

A Pilot Study of Sildenafil in COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04304313)

[Altavia]

You are not serious. Are you? What was she thinking?

True story. But it's also been shown a mask Can be less effective during a cough or sneeze due to the blowby anyway.

[GoodLife]

Do you have paper towels, printer paper, tissues, rubber bands and stapler? You can make a mask which will protect people around you.

Here is a video of how to make this super easy, no sew mask.......

2 Minute 5 Layer 3D No-Sew Paper Towel Face Mask #Masks4all - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usKgChGqVl0)

Yes I know about the homemade masks. They won't do much to protect you from virus particles. If I had to go inside a building other than home, the only thing acceptable for me would be N95. Since I don't have any, I just avoid indoor spaces with other people in them.

The supermarket thread here is amazing, they are arguing about one way lanes, people without masks etc while oblivious to the fact that they are engaging in behavior far more risky than a game of softball played outdoors.

[thelegges]

Yes you can play outside, come home when the dinner bell rings, or street lights come on. If numbers don’t rise there will be many disappointed.

[valuemkt]

Lots of threads about playing pickleball, softball, golf, swimming etc

Conversation typically goes like this:

Go outsider: I want to play softball, pickleball, golf, swimming etc

Stay at homer: Noooooooo!!!! You'll kill us all!!!

Go outsider: How so? You don't have to play if you don't want to.

Stay at homer: Your dangerous activity will infect me when I go to Publix!!!

Go outsider: You are much more likely to get infected inside a supermarket than I am on a softball field.

Stay at homer: You'll have blood on your hands!!!

And so on...

Stay at homers should be advised that there are only two ways to reduce risk to zero.

Achieve worldwide herd immunity (could take 1.5 to 2 years) or produce 8 billion shots of 100% effective vaccine. (not likely based on medical history)

Risk of contagion drops dramatically when you are outside. In a study of : Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf

The FDA has never approved a vaccine for humans that is effective against any member of the coronavirus family, which includes SARS, MERS, and several that cause the common cold

Will There Be a Coronavirus Vaccine? Maybe Not (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/will-there-be-a-coronavirus-vaccine-maybe-not.html)

OMG ! A Great Post from someone that isnt afraid of their own shadow . of one of others .. Folks, if your idea of living life to its' fullest is to quarnatine yourself in your home for life, go for it .. Please don;t rain on the parade of those that choose to fraternize, exercise and enjoy their silver and golden years without living in fear.

[Velvet]

217 cases in Sumter County with a population of probably 135,000

But panic and fear mongering have won the day in The Villages.

Lets all be sheeple and wear our useless masks...walk down the aisles like big brother tells us too...

Amazing how quickly people obey without thinking

Yes, funny how some folks just aren’t suicidal.

But, on another note, now we are finally coming to the time where things are changing for the better.

[Topspinmo]

What's your point ? Come Monday your wish is coming true. Outdoors will begin to open to you. OH I'll bet softball is not one of the activities starting up on Monday.

The point golf should of been shut down from day one. That the point. ALL outdoor activity including the one that’s money maker.

[Topspinmo]

I am also lets go outside guys but need to comment to part of your post:
Their is no sweating, spitting, giving high fives in supermarkets...

And there not that in golf? Golfer’s are not special or Immune.

[tophcfa]

There's also a difference between essentials and play time.

Please elaborate on the difference?

[CFrance]

The Villages is actually being more cautious than most of the local towns. Lady Lake dog parks never closed. They are playing pickleball at several locations in the surrounding areas. I'm sure there are more examples - these are just the ones I have seen personally. I look forward to the day when "abundance of caution" gives way and every outdoor activity opens back up. I will be playing on day 1.

My unscientific and purely personal opinion is that there is lest virus risk associated with pickleball or softball (when some precautions are taken) than with the swimming venues. Amazingly, no one asked me first.
Please tell me where they are playing pickleball in other locations, and if those locations are available to us. I agree with you about the risk of pickleball vs the risk of congregating at a swimming pool.

[DONS999]

Well I think I'm done with the forum and maybe TV.
It's all you insiders and sheepls that now have given all government leaders the blueprint on how to get around the "Bill of Rights" .
Declare a state of emergency because of a so called worldwide pandemic (7.8 billion people in the world 234,795 deaths as of May 2 - that is .00299102 % ) and we all lose our churches , local businesses, and way of life for most likely a long time. The Governments and news media now control all aspects of our lives because we are unable to demand the government and News Media put everything in context and let us decide how we are going to deal with this problem. All your food ,medicine , and whatever can be delivered for all you insiders and all the outsiders can be free to choose.

[CFrance]

Well I think I'm done with the forum and maybe TV.
It's all you insiders and sheepls that now have given all government leaders the blueprint on how to get around the "Bill of Rights" .
Declare a state of emergency because of a so called worldwide pandemic (7.8 billion people in the world 234,795 deaths as of May 2 - that is .00299102 % ) and we all lose our churches , local businesses, and way of life for most likely a long time. The Governments and news media now control all aspects of our lives because we are unable to demand the government and News Media put everything in context and let us decide how we are going to deal with this problem. All your food ,medicine , and whatever can be delivered for all you insiders and all the outsiders can be free to choose.
If you're thinking of leaving TV, you might want to check out the Michigan Militia. I think their beliefs are in line with yours. I'm being serious, actually.

[Leadbone1]

Lots of threads about playing pickleball, softball, golf, swimming etc

Conversation typically goes like this:

Go outsider: I want to play softball, pickleball, golf, swimming etc

Stay at homer: Noooooooo!!!! You'll kill us all!!!

Go outsider: How so? You don't have to play if you don't want to.

Stay at homer: Your dangerous activity will infect me when I go to Publix!!!

Go outsider: You are much more likely to get infected inside a supermarket than I am on a softball field.

Stay at homer: You'll have blood on your hands!!!

And so on...

Stay at homers should be advised that there are only two ways to reduce risk to zero.

Achieve worldwide herd immunity (could take 1.5 to 2 years) or produce 8 billion shots of 100% effective vaccine. (not likely based on medical history)

Risk of contagion drops dramatically when you are outside. In a study of : Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf

The FDA has never approved a vaccine for humans that is effective against any member of the coronavirus family, which includes SARS, MERS, and several that cause the common cold

Will There Be a Coronavirus Vaccine? Maybe Not (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/will-there-be-a-coronavirus-vaccine-maybe-not.html)

Thank you for the good post. Don’t know why people don’t understand that you cannot stay locked up forever. Viruses are always going to be out there. Most of us that are not that 5% that have severe underlying conditions want to get back to living. This whole thing has been overhyped and over done.

[Leadbone1]

If you're thinking of leaving TV, you might want to check out the Michigan Militia. I think their beliefs are in line with yours. I'm being serious, actually.

What a ridiculous response by you. We are Americans and we do not give up our freedom’s. Maybe it’s you that needs to leave the villages. And I’m serious!

[bd20166]

Thats 6 weeks of great sun and outdoor activities you missed out on.

[shelley77]

Where are they playing pickleball? We'd love to play.

[woderfulwendy1]

Would you please tell me where you have seen pickleball bring played so we can join them. I'm not being sarcastic, seriously where.

[davem4616]

well the OP achieved it's objective...pitting everyone against one another and this thread has turned nasty

[npwalters]

Please tell me where they are playing pickleball in other locations, and if those locations are available to us. I agree with you about the risk of pickleball vs the risk of congregating at a swimming pool.

I rode my bike past one of the PB sites yesterday and they were playing. I'd rather not say where so that some busybody doesn't cause a ruckus. It is a private community so we cant play there.

[bmit16]

The reason softball and pickleball has not reopened is TV recreation has not figured out a plan to protect people who play these sports. It is difficult to devise a plan to prevent a problem that has never existed. Nationally there has not been one reported case from people playing softball and pickleball or a lot of other sports for that matter. It is sad how people are so quick to be critical of something they know absolutely nothing about. The sheep do what the watch dog moves them to do. Why, because they are scared of the dog. The Villages is a place to be active and socialize. If you are afraid to do that, perhaps you are at the wrong place. I was raised to worry about me and that would be a full time job. Others should spend their time working on worrying about themselves. Protect yourself the way you see fit, but let others take care of themselves. No one can give you the virus, you have to get it because of your own bad habits.

[Tsego58]

Everyone is aware of limited capacity for restaurants when they open. I am trying to understand this. Has anyone else seen the grocery stores. I understand that is very essential but it so bad they're now using signs to navigate. Hardware stores were deemed to be essential and are packed people falling over each other to get essentials? This looks like people just want something to do. These are insiders that are comfortable going to essential places because they think if it's open it's ok to go there. I am in the villages because I thought it was the best place to be for retirement. This is the biggest nightmare I have ever seen. I was told living here are buying a lifestyle and live like a millionaire. The lifestyle is shopping, golf?, games, eating and golf cart driving. This is all wrapped up in a bubble that gives the county and the Morse family the real lifestyle and definitely financial power.

[CFrance]

What a ridiculous response by you. We are Americans and we do not give up our freedom’s. Maybe it’s you that needs to leave the villages. And I’m serious!
Donns999 apparently thinks the government is trying to run his life and take away his choices. This is what the Michigan Militia is all about. Look them up. They are a paramilitary group that doesn't want any government interfering with their lives. They were the ones who initially stormed the governor's office in Michigan in protest over the lockdowns there. Dons999 said he was quitting the forum and TV. I was suggesting a lifestyle he might be interested in.


I am perfectly happy living in TV and don't mind the government taking steps to keep me healthy. And I'm very serious.

[Swoop]

Please tell me where they are playing pickleball in other locations, and if those locations are available to us. I agree with you about the risk of pickleball vs the risk of congregating at a swimming pool.

I would have no issues with playing pickleball, but what possible logic would lead you to believe that a pool activity would have a higher risk factor?!? Being in a pool is the only environment where you are bathed in sanitizer. According to the CDC, not only can’t the virus spread in a properly maintained pool, they also state that the level of chlorine in a pool effectively kills the virus.

[GoodLife]

well the OP achieved it's objective...pitting everyone against one another and this thread has turned nasty

LOL You want to see nasty? Go read any of the threads about golf, softball, pickleball, swimming etc etc. All I did is contrast those shaming contests with some actual science.

1. You are more likely to catch coronavirus by shopping in a supermarket than playing golf, softball etc (backed by science linked in OP)

2. Zero risk will not be achieved until herd immunity or production of 100% effective vaccine. (backed by science linked in OP)

3. Virus is going to keep rolling around the world for two years or so (unless 100% vaccine) so be prepared to stay at home for that amount of time if you believe outdoor sports like golf, softball etc are too risky.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sites/default/files/public/downloads/cidrap-covid19-viewpoint-part1_0.pdf

4. You are a hypocrite if you proceed to shame others for outdoor sports when you yourself enter supermarkets, which is far more risky.

[GoodLife]

The point golf should of been shut down from day one. That the point. ALL outdoor activity including the one that’s money maker.

Please share with us the numerous scientific studies that show coronavirus outbreaks on golf courses.

[gregcharlesnelson@gmail]

play ball

[GoodLife]

Thats 6 weeks of great sun and outdoor activities you missed out on.

Please read more carefully. I said I have not stepped foot inside a building other than my home in 6 weeks. I continue to swim in my pool, catch rays, go for walks etc. I will start playing golf again this week because I have concluded, based on science, that the risk is very low.

[Aloha1]

If you're thinking of leaving TV, you might want to check out the Michigan Militia. I think their beliefs are in line with yours. I'm being serious, actually.

That's a very unkind reply to the poster who was simply stating his feelings. The Michigan Militia is a fringe radical group that does not represent mainstream Michigan conservatives.

It was telling that the media chose to focus on the 12 to 15 idiots dressed in fatigues with their rifles as "representative" of those who protested last Friday at the Michigan State Capitol Building instead of the several hundred average citizens who shared the poster's sentiment.

[Manhoopty]

Wearing a mask is a sign of Submission, not Safety.

[kenoc7]

217 cases in Sumter County with a population of probably 135,000

But panic and fear mongering have won the day in The Villages.

Lets all be sheeple and wear our useless masks...walk down the aisles like big brother tells us too...

Amazing how quickly people obey without thinking

We are obeying because we are capable of critical thinking. It is the people who aren't obeying who are mindless.

[GoodLife]

We are obeying because we are capable of critical thinking. It is the people who aren't obeying who are mindless.

It is not mindless to question whether a particular rule is based on science and is rational.

Take facemasks for instance. First they told us you don't need a facemask, they won't protect you etc. Now they have rules of mandatory facemasks in some places. Did the way the virus spreads change, did masks suddenly start working?

Many government entities have made some very stupid rules. For instance, the State of New York made an actual law forbidding Nursing Homes from rejecting covid 19 positive seniors. How'd that work out?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Thankyou for smoking

[hav7979]

I would have no issues with playing pickleball, but what possible logic would lead you to believe that a pool activity would have a higher risk factor?!? Being in a pool is the only environment where you are bathed in sanitizer. According to the CDC, not only can’t the virus spread in a properly maintained pool, they also state that the level of chlorine in a pool effectively kills the virus.

the pools in TV do not have any chlorine in them.. they are salt pools

[ffresh]

So at least you admit to being a "Go outsider".

Now a "Stay at homer" should duplicate this post with that point of view. I'm guessing one would be about as convincing as the other...and likely change equally as many minds. :)

Only if they're in a state of denial. The OP has provided irrefutable facts, and a healthy dose (pun intended) of common sense :ho:

Fred

[valuemkt]

the pools in TV do not have any chlorine in them.. they are salt pools

Saltwater swimming pools draw on dissolved salt in the water to generate chlorine. The salt cell or generator utilizes a process called electrolysis to break down or separate the salt also known as sodium chloride or NaCl in the water

[fdpaq0580]

Wearing a mask is a sign of Submission, not Safety.

I feel that too many folks on both sides of this issue have legitimate points. Using the analogy of sunlight/uv, any spf rating would be better than none at preventing sunburn/skin cancer. Therefore, any mask should be better than none. In the effort to reduce exposure and transfer of any contaminants, in either direction, any mask is better than none. By using sunscreen I am not submitting to ideologues, I am simply trying to lessen my exposure. It has nothing to do with fear or panic. It is simply taking a precautionary measure, like looking both ways before crossing the street. Getting hit crossing the street ruins the day for the one hit, the one that hit him/her as well as the ones that have to clean up the mess.
Stay well and safe.

[Marvic 1]

First they told us you don't need a facemask, they won't protect you etc. Now they have rules of mandatory facemasks in some places.
When was the last time medical scientist ever dealt with Convid-19 to know exactly how to deal with this particular corona virus? Wasn't it top medical people and advisors from the World Health Organization (WHO) that said you can NOT transmit the virus from people to people...
- Learning is still in progress....

[Marvic 1]

Saltwater swimming pools draw on dissolved salt in the water to generate chlorine. The salt cell or generator utilizes a process called electrolysis to break down or separate the salt also known as sodium chloride or NaCl in the water

Chlorine is a powerful disinfectant that can kill most bacteria and virus when it is added to water but does NOT kill virus or bacteria immediately.....

[Jazzman]

I feel that too many folks on both sides of this issue have legitimate points. Using the analogy of sunlight/uv, any spf rating would be better than none at preventing sunburn/skin cancer. Therefore, any mask should be better than none. In the effort to reduce exposure and transfer of any contaminants, in either direction, any mask is better than none. By using sunscreen I am not submitting to ideologues, I am simply trying to lessen my exposure. It has nothing to do with fear or panic. It is simply taking a precautionary measure, like looking both ways before crossing the street. Getting hit crossing the street ruins the day for the one hit, the one that hit him/her as well as the ones that have to clean up the mess.
Stay well and safe.

IMO, many posters who advocate that everyone should wear a mask are missing the point. The mask protects the wearer, no one else. Therefore if you are out and about and wearing a mask and you encounter a non mask wearer and that individual coughs or sneezes within your level of comfort distance the mask you are wearing will better protect you the wearer from possible infection. So those who advocate wearing a mask should wear one but should stop thinking that everyone wearing a mask will reduce the chance of getting an infection of any type

[Swoop]

the pools in TV do not have any chlorine in them.. they are salt pools

You are incorrect, check your science. Yes, they are saltwater pools, but in a saltwater pool, the chlorine is generated not directly added: “A saltwater pool uses a salt chlorine generator. This means that instead of adding chlorine to the pool water, you add salt, and the generator converts it to chlorine.”

[Swoop]

Chlorine is a powerful disinfectant that can kill most bacteria and virus when it is added to water but does NOT kill virus or bacteria immediately.....

This is directly from the CDC’s website: There is no evidence that the virus that causes COVID-19 can be spread to people through the water in pools, hot tubs, spas, or water play areas. Proper operation and maintenance (including disinfection with chlorine and bromine) of these facilities should inactivate the virus in the water.

[Jerry101]

Just an observation ... it’s weird ... but I think they smartest person in the class’ ... all moved to The Villages ... or so it seems!

[GoodLife]

When was the last time medical scientist ever dealt with Convid-19 to know exactly how to deal with this particular corona virus? Wasn't it top medical people and advisors from the World Health Organization (WHO) that said you can NOT transmit the virus from people to people...
- Learning is still in progress....

The CDC did not start recommending public use of facemasks until late March. From previous experience with other contagious coronaviruses they knew exactly how this one was spread way before that. They also knew about asymptomatic spread before that.

[GoodLife]

This is directly from the CDC’s website: There is no evidence that the virus that causes COVID-19 can be spread to people through the water in pools, hot tubs, spas, or water play areas. Proper operation and maintenance (including disinfection with chlorine and bromine) of these facilities should inactivate the virus in the water.

I don't like that "should inactivate"

[benj]

We are sheep. Waiting to be lead.

[graciegirl]

It is better to be safe than to be sorry.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

God helps those who help themselves.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath waters.

Going slow also gets us there.

If you want to jump off a cliff like your friends do, go right ahead.

Follow those who have had a reasonable and successful life.

[Swoop]

I don't like that "should inactivate"

I would rather be in an environment that “should inactivate” the virus vs one that doesn’t. Use of an outdoor pool is still a safer environment than virtually any other activity.

[Altavia]

LOL You want to see nasty? Go read any of the threads about golf, softball, pickleball, swimming etc etc. All I did is contrast those shaming contests with some actual science.

1. You are more likely to catch coronavirus by shopping in a supermarket than playing golf, softball etc (backed by science linked in OP)

2. Zero risk will not be achieved until herd immunity or production of 100% effective vaccine. (backed by science linked in OP)

3. Virus is going to keep rolling around the world for two years or so (unless 100% vaccine) so be prepared to stay at home for that amount of time if you believe outdoor sports like golf, softball etc are too risky.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sites/default/files/public/downloads/cidrap-covid19-viewpoint-part1_0.pdf

4. You are a hypocrite if you proceed to shame others for outdoor sports when you yourself enter supermarkets, which is far more risky.

Thinking about making T shirts with this list to wear to the pool :boom:

[Altavia]

I don't like that "should inactivate"

I prefer thinking reduces risk, and the probability seems high for this one when you add the dilution factor of water in the pool.

[GoodLife]

I prefer thinking reduces risk, and the probability seems high for this one when you add the dilution factor of water in the pool.

I agree and think swimming is safe. I want royalties on the tee shirt. :)

[judithamorrison]

I don't play baseball, but does everyone have their own bat or paddle? Does everyone have their own balls that no one else touches?
Do catchers sanitize the ball before throwing it back?
My point is: are you the only one touching your stuff?

[Velvet]

I suppose you could wear gloves, I wear them because they remind me not to touch my face. (Mine are a bit uncomfortable so I am always aware of them). And eye protection, like sunglasses. It’s coming close to people I see more of a problem with and even that could be solved by everyone wearing a mask. People wear masks to protect others and if everyone wears one, everyone is protected. I could see how to play mostly safely.

[Jim 9922]

It is better to be safe than to be sorry.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

God helps those who help themselves.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath waters.

Going slow also gets us there.

If you want to jump off a cliff like your friends do, go right ahead.

Follow those who have had a reasonable and successful life.

In our own individual lives, the choice whether to abandon a comfortable local maximum can be wrenching. If life is good (or safe) already should I consider changing the status quo? My parents taught me that the "very best" is always the enemy of "just good enough" as is "leave it alone" is to "make it better". Back in the olden days, my psychology professor taught us that as a rule, people become more content as they age. A plausible explanation is that the prospect of making "dramatic" improvements or changes in one's life recedes, as anxiety increases about taking on the associated labor and risks.

[Shbullet]

Just an observation ... it’s weird ... but I think they smartest person in the class’ ... all moved to The Villages ... or so it seems!

LOL Too funny and so true!

[claricecolin]

I would rather be in an environment that “should inactivate” the virus vs one that doesn’t. Use of an outdoor pool is still a safer environment than virtually any other activity.

Use of a pool is fine. But I think it should be swimming only. Keep proper social distancing, no masks needed in pool. No social gatherings at pools.If you feel the need to socialize and feel this is no big deal, invite your friends to your home. I think instead of loungers and tables I saw in pictures it should just be a chair to put your things to discourage visiting. I also hope monitors are given the authority to remove those who won't follow rules so everyone isn't punished.

[rstebbins]

I agree. The villages, who are not elected officials, are controlling our lives. As experts have said the virus does not last long in an outdoor environment. Extra precautions, such as wearing a glove on left hand, cleaning balls etc. make pickleball quite safe. Wearing a mask while playing will be difficult if not impossible.

[npwalters]

Does everyone have their own balls that no one else touches?

My point is: are you the only one touching your stuff?

LOL, I actually have played and umpired quite a bit of softball in the past and I can assure you that on an all male team they all come equipped as stated. As to the second question: Jeeze , I hope so.

[nevjudbaker]

I will take precautions. People say smoking doesn't bother people outside. That is BS. I can smell it cigarette smoke well over 6 ft away. . Some one coughs it can go further than 6 feet especially on a windy day. Anyone can spout out statistics. Therefore I will wear a mask, hat and a shield just so I don't become one of those statistics.

[John_W]

This guy has the right attitude, if a commercial comes on first, just click on skip the commercial in the lower right.

Social Distancing - by Steve Stewart & Don Stewart - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49f5l48hg1c&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2DLEVkRh5MMCM6hwCTYeLHJTD8DsdI046nnGQYA R-tWlaaNJQMSOfOXfw)

[graciegirl]

This guy has the right attitude, if a commercial comes on first, just click on skip the commercial in the lower right.

Social Distancing - by Steve Stewart & Don Stewart - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49f5l48hg1c&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2DLEVkRh5MMCM6hwCTYeLHJTD8DsdI046nnGQYA R-tWlaaNJQMSOfOXfw)

John. What would we do without you? Just another cool thing that made us all feel better. Thank you, Sir.

[JoMar]

I agree. The villages, who are not elected officials, are controlling our lives. As experts have said the virus does not last long in an outdoor environment. Extra precautions, such as wearing a glove on left hand, cleaning balls etc. make pickleball quite safe. Wearing a mask while playing will be difficult if not impossible.

I see that you are a new poster so assume you are a new resident.You are right, those controlling some of your life (County and CDD Board excluded) are not all elected. This is a privately owned developement, always has been and hopefully will always be. I'm sorry that you didn't know this before you moved here (assume you live here). Please join me in asking all people that are contemplating moving here to do their due diligence before making the leap.

[dewilson58]

Can you go out???................If mom says no, ask dad.

[graciegirl]

I see that you are a new poster so assume you are a new resident.You are right, those controlling some of your life (County and CDD Board excluded) are not all elected. This is a privately owned developement, always has been and hopefully will always be. I'm sorry that you didn't know this before you moved here (assume you live here). Please join me in asking all people that are contemplating moving here to do their due diligence before making the leap.

So right. You are one of the smartest and most reliable people who post on these forums.

[GoodLife]

Please elaborate on the difference?

Don't hold your breath. I call these drive by posts. They drop their little tidbits of wisdom then disappear and are never heard from again.

[CFrance]

That's a very unkind reply to the poster who was simply stating his feelings. The Michigan Militia is a fringe radical group that does not represent mainstream Michigan conservatives.

It was telling that the media chose to focus on the 12 to 15 idiots dressed in fatigues with their rifles as "representative" of those who protested last Friday at the Michigan State Capitol Building instead of the several hundred average citizens who shared the poster's sentiment.
I was not meaning to be unkind. I lived in Michigan for 25 years and biked paths that ran through their territory. They do like their guns, but for the most part they don't cause problems; they just want to be left alone. There are many paramilitary groups around the country who are focused on keeping government out of their lives. The initial protest in Michigan was staged mainly by the Michigan Militia. Later protests added other groups--fishermen, for one, who had been told they could not put their fishing boats on the water, while sailors could.


I stand by what I said, and the reason I said it.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Which normal citizens the ones carrying confederate flags or nooses, or the ones cheering on the armed men . Armed men inside a state house shouting down at scared legislators, made me sick . I’ve been in many dangerous countries over a lifetime of work but never thought I would see this here