[GoodLife]

Lots of threads about playing pickleball, softball, golf, swimming etc

Conversation typically goes like this:

Go outsider: I want to play softball, pickleball, golf, swimming etc

Stay at homer: Noooooooo!!!! You'll kill us all!!!

Go outsider: How so? You don't have to play if you don't want to.

Stay at homer: Your dangerous activity will infect me when I go to Publix!!!

Go outsider: You are much more likely to get infected inside a supermarket than I am on a softball field.

Stay at homer: You'll have blood on your hands!!!

And so on...

Stay at homers should be advised that there are only two ways to reduce risk to zero.

Achieve worldwide herd immunity (could take 1.5 to 2 years) or produce 8 billion shots of 100% effective vaccine. (not likely based on medical history)

Risk of contagion drops dramatically when you are outside. In a study of : Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...058v1.full.pdf

The FDA has never approved a vaccine for humans that is effective against any member of the coronavirus family, which includes SARS, MERS, and several that cause the common cold

Will There Be a Coronavirus Vaccine? Maybe Not

[Altavia]

Great reality check. F

Fresh air and sunshine significantly reduce the half life and are our friends.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...pr-final_0.pdf

[Polar Bear]

So at least you admit to being a "Go outsider".

Now a "Stay at homer" should duplicate this post with that point of view. I'm guessing one would be about as convincing as the other...and likely change equally as many minds.

[Altavia]

CDC IS also indicating strong correlation to spending time in air-conditioned environments.

COVID-19 Outbreak Associated with Air Conditioning in Restaurant, Guangzhou, China, 2020

We conclude that in this outbreak, droplet transmission was prompted by air-conditioned ventilation. The key factor for infection was the direction of the airflow. Of note, patient B3 was afebrile and 1% of the patients in this outbreak were asymptomatic, providing a potential source of outbreaks among the public (7,8). To prevent spread of COVID-19 in restaurants, we recommend strengthening temperature-monitoring surveillance, increasing the distance between tables, and improving ventilation.

Early Release - COVID-19 Outbreak Associated with Air Conditioning in Restaurant, Guangzhou, China, 2020 - Volume 26, Number 7—July 2020 - Emerging Infectious Diseases journal - CDC

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

So at least you admit to being a "Go outsider".

Now a "Stay at homer" should duplicate this post with that point of view. I'm guessing one would be about as convincing as the other...and likely change equally as many minds.

Actually, I have been a stay at homer for almost 6 weeks, and I haven't stepped foot inside a building other than my own home during that time. Scientific evidence now tells me that this was a wise strategy, as 99% plus of infections occur indoors. Recent studies showing that sunlight deactivates the virus in less than 2 minutes gives me confidence in starting outdoor activities like golf.

I welcome any science which tells us that shopping in a supermarket is less dangerous than playing softball etc.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

So at least you admit to being a "Go outsider".
I'm guessing one would be about as convincing as the other...and likely change equally as many minds.

Very true.

In the begining, we didn't know what we didn't know. Now we have evidence transmission in an outside environment seems to be approaching the likelyhood of being struck by lightening.

We need learn and focus on the high risk areas. Wash your hands, don't touch your face, social distance, use masks in interior environments.

Introducing more frequent air exchange in interior environments may be as/more important than additional distancing.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Actually, I have been a stay at homer for almost 6 weeks, and I haven't stepped foot inside a building other than my own home during that time. Scientific evidence now tells me that this was a wise strategy, as 99% plus of infections occur indoors. Recent studies showing that sunlight deactivates the virus in less than 2 minutes gives me confidence in starting outdoor activities like golf.

I welcome any science which tells us that shopping in a supermarket is less dangerous than playing softball etc.

What's your point ? Come Monday your wish is coming true. Outdoors will begin to open to you. OH I'll bet softball is not one of the activities starting up on Monday.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

And if you read that report on the internet , it must be TRUE!!!

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by rustyp

What's your point ? Come Monday your wish is coming true. Outdoors will begin to open to you. OH I'll bet softball is not one of the activities starting up on Monday.

It's quite obvious what my point is. Science is telling us that most outdoor activities carry little risk of infection. That includes softball. Perhaps I should start a thread shaming those who enter supermarkets because they are going to kill us all.

[Gpsma]

217 cases in Sumter County with a population of probably 135,000

But panic and fear mongering have won the day in The Villages.

Lets all be sheeple and wear our useless masks...walk down the aisles like big brother tells us too...

Amazing how quickly people obey without thinking

[Marvic 1]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I welcome any science which tells us that shopping in a supermarket is less dangerous than playing softball etc.

I am also lets go outside guys but need to comment to part of your post:
Their is no sweating, spitting, giving high fives in supermarkets...

[Tom53]

There's also a difference between essentials and play time.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

It's quite obvious what my point is. Science is telling us that most outdoor activities carry little risk of infection. That includes softball. Perhaps I should start a thread shaming those who enter supermarkets because they are going to kill us all.

Starting a thread shaming others about entering supermarkets is perfectly legal but playing softball right now in Florida is against the law (executive order). Just a what if - when and if softball opens back up half your teammates don't show up because they think it is better to be safe than sorry. Will you shame them ?

[bumpygreens]

Originally Posted by Marvic 1

I am also lets go outside guys but need to comment to part of your post:
Their is no sweating, spitting, giving high fives in supermarkets...

That's true, but there is enough coughing, hacking and sneezing to make up for it. Have a nice day, and thank you for shopping with us.

[npwalters]

The Villages is actually being more cautious than most of the local towns. Lady Lake dog parks never closed. They are playing pickleball at several locations in the surrounding areas. I'm sure there are more examples - these are just the ones I have seen personally. I look forward to the day when "abundance of caution" gives way and every outdoor activity opens back up. I will be playing on day 1.

My unscientific and purely personal opinion is that there is lest virus risk associated with pickleball or softball (when some precautions are taken) than with the swimming venues. Amazingly, no one asked me first.