Are outdoor bars exempt from social distancing?

[coffeebean]

Hubby just drove through Lake Sumter Landing and said the outdoor spaces are "packed" and most people are not wearing masks. Red Sauce outdoor bar is packed just like nothing ever happened. No one was wearing a mask. I know restaurants outdoor seating is to be only 50% but are outdoor bars exempt from social distancing guidelines?

[anothersteve]

My barber told me alcohol breath kills the virus. No biggie.
Steve

[bagboy]

They are not exempt. We drove through this afternoon and the restaurants that were open didn't appear to have bar stools set up. There is probably a crowd waiting to be seated hanging out around the outdoor bar areas. From what I've seen lately, I don't doubt for a second that the majority weren't wearing masks.

[TommyT]

Let them gather.... Will be a lot of good homes for sale soon !!! :ohdear: :ohdear:


J/K

[anothersteve]

Let them gather....

Yes, let them gather and build immunities, and antibodies.
Just my thoughts.
Steve

[dewilson58]

jus give it 24 hours...................the crowded pictures will start showing up.

[EdFNJ]

Yes, let them gather and build immunities, and antibodies.
Just my thoughts.
Steve You (generic "you" not you personally) don't just "build immunity and antibodies" unless you have the virus in your system. And if you have the virus in your system and show no symptoms you are then an asymptomatic carrier and could possibly spread it to those around you who may not be as lucky as you since most people here are in the most dangerous age group. You just can't develop immunity without having the virus so you might do well but not necessarily those around you who you could spread it to.

[thevillages2013]

Excuse me for being stupid but how is one going to drink or eat with a mask on? I guess a plastic straw under the ������ mask. ������ Also don’t get choked and need the Heimlich maneuver ; they will be running away from you not running to help you ������

[DecaturFargo]

Your logic escapes me. Damn selfish of those folks

[Magajane]

No, they are not. People just don’t want to believe that this is real.

[dewilson58]

You (generic "you" not you personally) don't just "build immunity and antibodies" unless you have the virus in your system. ...................... You just can't develop immunity without having the virus so you might do well but not necessarily those around you who you could spread it to.


Sarcasm Sheldon, sarcasm.

[Magajane]

What a dumb statement. I hope no one believes that.

[mlmarr1]

and your point.. a mask is suggested not a law .. learn to breathe and go on with you life.. maybe all the people know each other.. if your afraid stay home.. the rest of us are out enjoying our day .. most people I see wearing a mask, are so not doing it correctly..

[mlmarr1]

LOL people need to mind their own business.. if you don't like it don't go ..

[Waddling Eagle]

Bars are not open at all. Restaurants are open and can serve alcohol. Outdoor seating is allowed if the tables are at least six feet apart and no more than ten people are seated at a table. I reckon ten people at a table can make a place look pretty crowded.

[jjtjr]

yep can't wait

[jjtjr]

doesn't make any difference die from choking or the virus, the first one is just faster.

[TimeForChange]

There is a golf group in TV that acks as though they own everything. I won't say the name but they all wear the same color golf shirts on different days. They congregate following golf usually around lunch or a little after at the Red Sauce Bar outside. Many of them are arrogant, and have had problems with some of the ambassadors on the courses. That is probably the group you saw at Red Sauce.

[coffeebean]

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[Domenick]

6’ apart or 6’ under! With the lack of concern from those that are acting like this is a no big deal a lot more of us will be 6’ under soon.

[Davelinda91]

The problem is if you don’t wear a mask I get sick 🤕 if I wear a mask you don’t get sick! So yes wear your mask or stay home!

[msilagy]

I think people are willing to take the chance and live their lives without fear of this virus - it's worked for them so far? It's the old adage it won't happen to me - the next few weeks and months will tell the story.

[Bridget Staunton]

Please let’s be courteous to each other while communicating. We have to advice each other and stick together. God bless & keep us all safe

[daca55]

People are going to do what they feel comfortable with. Like the old saying “Live and let live”

[VApeople]

The problem is if you don’t wear a mask I get sick 🤕 if I wear a mask you don’t get sick! So yes wear your mask or stay home!

LOL people need to mind their own business.. if you don't like it don't go ..

OK, there are two opinions.

The first opinion wants us to behave a certain way for the benefit of everyone and the second opinion wants to let people do whatever they please.

[mwpoet]

Yes. Quit telling others what to do.,stay home if you are afraid

[rlcooper70]

In Italy the lockdown resulted in a 95% decrease in road traffic - in the US only 50% reduction. We are not rule followers.

However, the Villages, with a population near 130,000 has had minimal cases and no new cases lately ... perhaps the celebration at the bars (which will not include me) are with a certainty that Villagers can't spread the disease because they don't have the disease.

It's a gamble .... but the odds are with the revelers.

[davem4616]

I anticipated that once the 'stay at home order' was lifted people who have embraced the Mad Magazine motto of "What Me Worry" would flock to the restaurants as if nothing had changed

It'll be quite awhile before we visit any of these venues

[rlcooper70]

Your comment is an "either/or" hypocrisy. You do not present cogent choices. It's fake news.

[karostay]

My guess is 90% the outdoor bar patron at Red Sauce and City fire already have growing heath issues from excessive consumption of alcohol and tobacco
They figure what's a little corona

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

I love all this drive By analysis of distancing at bars or waiting for restaurant! Lol how far was this visual measuring done at ? , how many people had masks and how many didn’t? Please stop it’s embarrassing- go have another drink and watch another episode on Netflix and leave the rest of us alone .

[karostay]

Yes, let them gather and build immunities, and antibodies.
Just my thoughts.
Steve

Deserves nomination for a Darwin Award

[anothersteve]

Deserves nomination for a Darwin Award

I'd like to thank the academy for this award.
Steve

[mulligan]

Just out of curiosity, did the OP go for a drive just to look for something to whine about ???

[bhemingway]

Yes, let them gather and build immunities, and antibodies.
Just my thoughts.
Steve
Thank God for at least one smart person on here!

[DONKEY10]

I think people are willing to take the chance and live their lives without fear of this virus - it's worked for them so far? It's the old adage it won't happen to me - the next few weeks and months will tell the story.

And you know what for the most part this social distancing has been a failure. Look at Sweden how they handled it. They let herd immunity do the work . We should have done the same thing. What are you going to do if this happens again later this year or next year? Shut down everything again? No let it roll thru and be done with it. Viruses have been around for billions of years and herd immunity is how we have dealt with them throughout time

[Joelack99]

and your point.. a mask is suggested not a law .. learn to breathe and go on with you life.. maybe all the people know each other.. if your afraid stay home.. the rest of us are out enjoying our day .. most people I see wearing a mask, are so not doing it correctly..

I suspect that posts like this will not age well. We are less than 29 days from a huge spike in hospitalizations and death.
__________
It ain’t over til it’s over. And it ain’t over.

[Chatbrat]

Most expensive cheap beer on the planet--support your local funeral director

[aa1949a]

Can't fix stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:boom:

[wamley]

Agree, everyone there is an adult making their own decision. Don't want to parttake don't.

[dennisgavin]

Just out of curiosity, did the OP go for a drive just to look for something to whine about ???

you beat me to it!

[Two Bills]

And you know what for the most part this social distancing has been a failure. Look at Sweden how they handled it. They let herd immunity do the work . We should have done the same thing. What are you going to do if this happens again later this year or next year? Shut down everything again? No let it roll thru and be done with it. Viruses have been around for billions of years and herd immunity is how we have dealt with them throughout time

.....and their death rate is six times higher than their neighbors.
There is a price, and no guarantees whichever way you go.

[GoodLife]

I suspect that posts like this will not age well. We are less than 29 days from a huge spike in hospitalizations and death.
__________
It ain’t over til it’s over. And it ain’t over.

Would love to see the science behind that prediction Nostradamus.

[GoodLife]

.....and their death rate is six times higher than their neighbors.
There is a price, and no guarantees whichever way you go.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Sweden's death rate per million is higher than other Baltic states, but less than many other European countries, slightly higher than USA.

If Sweden achieves herd immunity in a few months, their death rate will drop to almost zero, while lockdown countries will see deaths continue to grow for next two years or until vaccine is developed. In the end they may lose the battle but win the war.

[villagerjack]

What bothers me more is all the snitching that is going on and how some are comfortable with it. Right into the playbook of our enemies. What ever happened to “Mi d your own business” A salon single mom owner in Texas was just thrown in jail for opening her salon to as she said “feed her kids “. This has gotten way out of hand. Absolute power corrupts.

[merled]

These fools favor booze, sex and food over life. Sorry bunch.

[bmit16]

The crowd police thing really bothers me. The numbers in TV do not support any of these peoples concerns. Its like you want people to die if they go out in public. I think some people moved to TV for the wrong reason. Even before the virus, there were people that do nothing but complain and try to police what others are doing. One day, you people are going to say the wrong thing to the wrong person. I hope this does not happen, but fear the outcome will be real bad for someone. If you are scared, stay home, if you are at risk stay home. The best protection is protecting yourself.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

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Could someone please tell me what /// means in a post? I see it now and then and it's the only thing appearing in the post. Is it the old "ditto"?

[cwwilber@gmail.com]

These people are stupid, not ignorant, ignorant can be taught. You can't fix stupid.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I saw this too, but don't worry, there was a Sheriff's Deputy relaxing in his car in a parking lot behind Starbucks.

[graciegirl]

Yes, let them gather and build immunities, and antibodies.
Just my thoughts.
Steve

Until there are any verified treatments against Covid-19, people gathering and building immunities will NOT protect them from this brand new virus. Each time the body meets and defeats a new antigen, they have T-cells that are ready to pounce if they meet it again, sometimes for life, sometimes for just a period of time. Their GENERAL immunity may help but cannot be counted on. Where is Blueash? This is above my pay grade.

[coffeebean]

In Italy the lockdown resulted in a 95% decrease in road traffic - in the US only 50% reduction. We are not rule followers.

However, the Villages, with a population near 130,000 has had minimal cases and no new cases lately ... perhaps the celebration at the bars (which will not include me) are with a certainty that Villagers can't spread the disease because they don't have the disease.

It's a gamble .... but the odds are with the revelers.

If only I felt this were true, but I don't. This tells us that The Villages has not had much testing. Who knows how many people have been infected and are carriers? If they are asymptomatic, we will never know until we all get tested for antibodies to this virus.

[coffeebean]

Your comment is an "either/or" hypocrisy. You do not present cogent choices. It's fake news.

Which comment are you referring to? Is it the post just before yours? Sometimes people post at the same time and your post does not follow the post you are replying to.

It is much easier for us to know which post you are replying to if you click on "Reply With Quote" when you prepare to post your comment. Then there will be no guess work as to who you are replying to.
Thanks.

[coffeebean]

Just out of curiosity, did the OP go for a drive just to look for something to whine about ???

Yup.

[Tom53]

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Sweden's death rate per million is higher than other Baltic states, but less than many other European countries, slightly higher than USA.

If Sweden achieves herd immunity in a few months, their death rate will drop to almost zero, while lockdown countries will see deaths continue to grow for next two years or until vaccine is developed. In the end they may lose the battle but win the war.

Latest stats show Swedens death rate at 12.3, with the USA at 5.8. That's more than double, not "slightly higher".

[GoodLife]

Latest stats show Swedens death rate at 12.3, with the USA at 5.8. That's more than double, not "slightly higher".

Post your source of data. I am going by link below, which is updated daily.

Sweden 282 deaths per million
USA 214 deaths per million

Total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people - Our World in Data (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-05-06)

[RockyMountainMan]

Would love to see the science behind that prediction Nostradamus.
Amen brother! Everyone thinks they are an expert because they heard on the internet, T.V., a friend, etc. Most people don't know the first thing about aseptic technique. I see people driving around with masks on, hanging from their necks...oh boy what a joke. Masks do not work against viruses...all I know is that the world is a such a scary place outside my kitchen window so I'm just going to put my mask and gloves on and sit in my closet until this is all over!!!!! I'm just so frightened!!!!

[OhioBuckeye]

Hubby just drove through Lake Sumter Landing and said the outdoor spaces are "packed" and most people are not wearing masks. Red Sauce outdoor bar is packed just like nothing ever happened. No one was wearing a mask. I know restaurants outdoor seating is to be only 50% but are outdoor bars exempt from social distancing guidelines?

Coffeebean, they can do what they want & the people can do the same, it’s they’re choice. Coronavirus to me is for real, & if these people are that brave let them party. But me like you I’ll do the things where I feel safe. All I can say is if these people want to call this virus a bluff it’s fine with me! Have fun & enjoy yourself.

[pianoman88]

Pretty tough to get a drink while wearing a mask....
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[Lindadogmom2]

I think the reckless people should have to sign a waiver saying they will not ask for medical assistance due to corona!!! Why should these drs and nurses put their lives on the line any more than they have to help people who have NO regard for anyone's life!!! These r truly very selfish and ignorant people!!!

[queasy27]

I'm just musing, but Florida (and the majority of other states) have laws against knowingly engaging in behavior that might transmit STDs.

From criminaldefenselawyer.com: There are several Florida criminal laws that criminalize specific types of conduct engaged in by people with sexually transmitted diseases. It’s important to note that these crimes do not require that a person with a sexually transmitted disease actually infect someone else. Engaging in the prohibited activity, even if that activity does not lead to the transmission of a disease, is enough to commit a crime.

Should it come to that, enacting similar COVID-related legislation would certainly be doable. At this stage, proving that people knew they were infected would be quite problematic, and the question of acquired immunity is still up in the air.

Just contemplating the possibilities. I honestly doubt Florida legislators would view such a law favorably, although other states might.

[queasy27]

I'm just musing, but Florida has laws against knowingly engaging in behavior that might transmit STDs.

From criminaldefenselawyer.com: There are several Florida laws that criminalize specific types of conduct engaged in by people with sexually transmitted diseases. It’s important to note that these crimes do not require that a person with a sexually transmitted disease actually infect someone else. Engaging in the prohibited activity, even if that activity does not lead to the transmission of a disease, is enough to commit a crime.

Should it come to that, enacting similar COVID-related legislation would certainly be doable. At this stage, proving that people knew they were infected would be quite problematic, and the question of acquired immunity is still up in the air.

Just contemplating the possibilities. I honestly doubt Florida legislators would view such a law favorably, although other states might.

[Tom53]

Post your source of data. I am going by link below, which is updated daily.

Sweden 282 deaths per million
USA 214 deaths per million

Total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people - Our World in Data (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-05-06)

COVID-19 Stats - Realtime coronavirus statistics with charts (https://epidemic-stats.com/)

[Travelingal702]

Is anyone as sick of these stories as I am? No masks, no social distancing, yada, yada, yada. Yes, we KNOW there are people not wearing masks. We KNOW people are not maintaining their distance. We KNOW people are gathering where they shouldn't. It's their funeral, not yours. We KNOW not everyone is is abiding by the law. So What!!! Stay away from them. Try to focus on some positive things like....what a beautiful day we have. Be happy to be living in America and not some third world country. Be happy that you are free and ABLE to complain about things without repercussions. I look for the good and I don't dwell on the bad. Let's give the complaints a rest, because, in the end, there is really NOTHING you can do about it.

[GoodLife]

COVID-19 Stats - Realtime coronavirus statistics with charts (https://epidemic-stats.com/)

Yes, you are looking at deaths per infected, I am looking at deaths per million inhabitants, which to me is a better way to judge a country's overall strategy.

[Velvet]

People are going to do what they feel comfortable with. Like the old saying “Live and let live”

Absolutely, and speaking for myself, I suggest they behave in such a way that others can live in the first place!

[cherylncliff]

My barber told me alcohol breath kills the virus. No biggie.
Steve

I guess we are going back to the middle ages where barbers are acting as physicians. Of course the average age back then was only 30-35.

[Curtisbwp]

I hope so

[Marty94]

Hubby just drove through Lake Sumter Landing and said the outdoor spaces are "packed" and most people are not wearing masks. Red Sauce outdoor bar is packed just like nothing ever happened. No one was wearing a mask. I know restaurants outdoor seating is to be only 50% but are outdoor bars exempt from social distancing guidelines?

To answer this question, please refer to frla.org. Each county has specific rules. As of 6 May,

“Outside seating allowed, 25% capacity inside dinning rooms with social distancing. No bar seating.”

In addition general guidelines are provided:
“Do not allow guests to congregate in waiting areas or bar areas. Design a process to ensure guest separation while waiting to be seated that can include floor markings, outdoor distancing, waiting in cars, etc. Consider an exit from the facility separate from the entrance.”

While there are many opinions on social media, restaurants must follow governing Executive Orders. Violations of governing laws can be reported to your local sheriff as well as Florida’s Department of Business and Professional Regulations. However, it is important to understand the difference between a statute and a guideline. Do the research.

[anothersteve]

I guess we are going back to the middle ages where barbers are acting as physicians. Of course the average age back then was only 30-35.

My God! That was a joke, lighten up Francis.
Steve

[Barefoot]

Could someone please tell me what /// means in a post? I see it now and then and it's the only thing appearing in the post. :shrug: We can't delete posts, so it's required to put in three of anything, like ... +++ /// --- bbb

[Tom53]

Yes, you are looking at deaths per infected, I am looking at deaths per million inhabitants, which to me is a better way to judge a country's overall strategy.

None of these stats will provide the whole picture until there is 100% testing. That being said, Sweden has used the herd theory and their death rate is pretty high for those infected. Maybe a year from now it will balance out, but right now it's not looking good, especially when compared with their neighbors.

Unfortunately, with the current state of this world, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. There will always be Monday morning Quarterbacks to stir the pot, regardless of the policy followed.

The only guarantee is that when this is over, there will be someone (on either side) patting themselves on the back, and spouting how they were right. Until then, we are free to do what we feel is the right thing to do. Only time will tell, no sense dying from an ulcer trying to change peoples minds. :)

[GoodLife]

None of these stats will provide the whole picture until there is 100% testing. That being said, Sweden has used the herd theory and their death rate is pretty high for those infected. Maybe a year from now it will balance out, but right now it's not looking good, especially when compared with their neighbors.

Unfortunately, with the current state of this world, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. There will always be Monday morning Quarterbacks to stir the pot, regardless of the policy followed.

The only guarantee is that when this is over, there will be someone (on either side) patting themselves on the back, and spouting how they were right. Until then, we are free to do what we feel is the right thing to do. Only time will tell, no sense dying from an ulcer trying to change peoples minds. :)

Death rate per infected is not really a good way to judge success of lockdown vs herd approach. 50% of Sweden's deaths have occurred in nursing homes. In the USA its more like 1 in 4. Nursing homes have the people most likely to die, so the percentage of deaths to infected is skewed by this.

Sweden's death rate per million is a lot lower than UK, Italy, Spain, France etc They all had lockdowns too.

[shut the front door]

Is anyone as sick of these stories as I am? No masks, no social distancing, yada, yada, yada. Yes, we KNOW there are people not wearing masks. We KNOW people are not maintaining their distance. We KNOW people are gathering where they shouldn't. It's their funeral, not yours. We KNOW not everyone is is abiding by the law. So What!!! Stay away from them. Try to focus on some positive things like....what a beautiful day we have. Be happy to be living in America and not some third world country. Be happy that you are free and ABLE to complain about things without repercussions. I look for the good and I don't dwell on the bad. Let's give the complaints a rest, because, in the end, there is really NOTHING you can do about it.

You think it's bad on a message board, you ought to hear the calls coming in to Community watch. People are literally sitting in their houses monitoring the web cams at the squares and speed dialing CW to report people who aren't far enough apart.

[coffeebean]

Could someone please tell me what /// means in a post? I see it now and then and it's the only thing appearing in the post. Is it the old "ditto"?

It means the poster has deleted their post.

[Tnbrewer]

Amen to that !
Glad I am retired and don’t have to work.

[Tom53]

Death rate per infected is not really a good way to judge success of lockdown vs herd approach. 50% of Sweden's deaths have occurred in nursing homes. In the USA its more like 1 in 4. Nursing homes have the people most likely to die, so the percentage of deaths to infected is skewed by this.

Sweden's death rate per million is a lot lower than UK, Italy, Spain, France etc They all had lockdowns too.

Of the 50 European countries, Sweden in number 7 on the most deaths per million, 43 countries had less. I don't know if ALL the rest were in lockdown, but a large number were in lockdown, including Germany, Poland, Portugal, Greece, Ireland, Lithuania, Denmark, Norway, Hungary, Switzerland, etc.

It's all how we choose to look at the stats. Personally, I think the lockdown was the way to go, but a good plan needs to be developed to wind it down.

[photo1902]

Is anyone as sick of these stories as I am? No masks, no social distancing, yada, yada, yada. Yes, we KNOW there are people not wearing masks. We KNOW people are not maintaining their distance. We KNOW people are gathering where they shouldn't. It's their funeral, not yours. We KNOW not everyone is is abiding by the law. So What!!! Stay away from them. Try to focus on some positive things like....what a beautiful day we have. Be happy to be living in America and not some third world country. Be happy that you are free and ABLE to complain about things without repercussions. I look for the good and I don't dwell on the bad. Let's give the complaints a rest, because, in the end, there is really NOTHING you can do about it.

Absolutely agree!

[Cheeks]

Right, you can't fix stupid !

[coffeebean]

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[jimjamuser]

Let them gather.... Will be a lot of good homes for sale soon !!! :ohdear: :ohdear:


J/K
Good one!

[jimjamuser]

You (generic "you" not you personally) don't just "build immunity and antibodies" unless you have the virus in your system. And if you have the virus in your system and show no symptoms you are then an asymptomatic carrier and could possibly spread it to those around you who may not be as lucky as you since most people here are in the most dangerous age group. You just can't develop immunity without having the virus so you might do well but not necessarily those around you who you could spread it to.
Nice and logical.

[jimjamuser]

There is a golf group in TV that acks as though they own everything. I won't say the name but they all wear the same color golf shirts on different days. They congregate following golf usually around lunch or a little after at the Red Sauce Bar outside. Many of them are arrogant, and have had problems with some of the ambassadors on the courses. That is probably the group you saw at Red Sauce.
Gang mentality.

[coffeebean]

Coffeebean, they can do what they want & the people can do the same, it’s they’re choice. Coronavirus to me is for real, & if these people are that brave let them party. But me like you I’ll do the things where I feel safe. All I can say is if these people want to call this virus a bluff it’s fine with me! Have fun & enjoy yourself.

President Trump is slowly opening up our economy but he is asking Americans to continue to social distance. I don't know....by the looks of the way Villagers have taken a yard when they were given a foot, we may be in big trouble soon.

I get it that people will not be wearing masks at outdoor bars and restaurants. I haven't mastered how to eat or drink with a mask on and I don't think too many people have either. I just want to see people adhering to the social distance guidelines if they are not able to wear a mask whether it be indoors or outdoors.

[jimjamuser]

And you know what for the most part this social distancing has been a failure. Look at Sweden how they handled it. They let herd immunity do the work . We should have done the same thing. What are you going to do if this happens again later this year or next year? Shut down everything again? No let it roll thru and be done with it. Viruses have been around for billions of years and herd immunity is how we have dealt with them throughout time
Sweden has MORE deaths than comparable European countries. Use the Google machine.

[jimjamuser]

.....and their death rate is six times higher than their neighbors.
There is a price, and no guarantees whichever way you go.
Correct.

[iaudit]

Is anyone as sick of these stories as I am? No masks, no social distancing, yada, yada, yada. Yes, we KNOW there are people not wearing masks. We KNOW people are not maintaining their distance. We KNOW people are gathering where they shouldn't. It's their funeral, not yours. We KNOW not everyone is is abiding by the law. So What!!! Stay away from them. Try to focus on some positive things like....what a beautiful day we have. Be happy to be living in America and not some third world country. Be happy that you are free and ABLE to complain about things without repercussions. I look for the good and I don't dwell on the bad. Let's give the complaints a rest, because, in the end, there is really NOTHING you can do about it.

The only problem with this selfish attitude is that when they get sick, they will be using up valuable medical resources. Even before this virus, emergency rooms in this area had significant waiting times.

[jimjamuser]

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Sweden's death rate per million is higher than other Baltic states, but less than many other European countries, slightly higher than USA.

If Sweden achieves herd immunity in a few months, their death rate will drop to almost zero, while lockdown countries will see deaths continue to grow for next two years or until vaccine is developed. In the end they may lose the battle but win the war.
I don't think so.

[jimjamuser]

What bothers me more is all the snitching that is going on and how some are comfortable with it. Right into the playbook of our enemies. What ever happened to “Mi d your own business” A salon single mom owner in Texas was just thrown in jail for opening her salon to as she said “feed her kids “. This has gotten way out of hand. Absolute power corrupts.
A law is a law to protect the most people it can. That's why there are speed limits.

[jimjamuser]

Death rate per infected is not really a good way to judge success of lockdown vs herd approach. 50% of Sweden's deaths have occurred in nursing homes. In the USA its more like 1 in 4. Nursing homes have the people most likely to die, so the percentage of deaths to infected is skewed by this.

Sweden's death rate per million is a lot lower than UK, Italy, Spain, France etc They all had lockdowns too.
Both the UK and Italy started their shutdown late.

[Dreah]

The LACK of responsibility here does not surprise me.

[mollyb]

and your point.. a mask is suggested not a law .. learn to breathe and go on with you life.. maybe all the people know each other.. if your afraid stay home.. the rest of us are out enjoying our day .. most people I see wearing a mask, are so not doing it correctly..
Amen. Kindness important.

[Darield]

I have to agree that I am amazed and saddened by the continuous judgement, condemnation, snitching, etc. on these boards.

For those of you who identify with Christianity, there are numerous places in the Bible that say Do not judge others. A summary of some can be found here. 37 Best Bible Verses About Judging Others - Inspiring Scripture Quotes (https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-on-judging/)

For other religions and spiritual practices, Love and Kindness are a cornerstone of most.

From a historical perspective, history has shown us that turning against our neighbors has never turned out well.

Maybe one suggestion would be to be wake up tomorrow and ask yourself, what can I do to be kind and helpful to someone else today?

[PugMom]

I'd like to thank the academy for this award.
Steve:1rotfl::clap2:

[PugMom]

None of these stats will provide the whole picture until there is 100% testing. That being said, Sweden has used the herd theory and their death rate is pretty high for those infected. Maybe a year from now it will balance out, but right now it's not looking good, especially when compared with their neighbors.

Unfortunately, with the current state of this world, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. There will always be Monday morning Quarterbacks to stir the pot, regardless of the policy followed.

The only guarantee is that when this is over, there will be someone (on either side) patting themselves on the back, and spouting how they were right. Until then, we are free to do what we feel is the right thing to do. Only time will tell, no sense dying from an ulcer trying to change peoples minds. :)

sweden's numbers are only slightly higher than ours. was reported today:coolsmiley:

[karostay]

Tonight they are Surprise Surprise

[Tom53]

sweden's numbers are only slightly higher than ours. was reported today:coolsmiley:

It depends on the stats you look at. In my discussion with Goodlife, he was looking at the number of deaths per million in population. Those numbers are close.

I was referring to number of deaths per number infected. A totally different story.

[Slapnut]

The media has done their job by scaring the people with this overblown virus crap. I wonder what the real statistics are. I'll bet much much lower than they broadcast. I'm sure more deaths that had nothing to do with this virus were added to the death toll

[billethkid]

One would have to suspect that some of the deaths were from the flu but non distinguishable from Covid-19....in one way or another.

Then there is the ongoing discussion of underlying condition deaths......Covid-19 or other as the real cause of death?

The two above would have some distortion VS a known specific death due to Covid-19.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I have to agree that I am amazed and saddened by the continuous judgement, condemnation, snitching, etc. on these boards.

For those of you who identify with Christianity, there are numerous places in the Bible that say Do not judge others. A summary of some can be found here. 37 Best Bible Verses About Judging Others - Inspiring Scripture Quotes (https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-on-judging/)

Darield, it ain't gonna happen here, or any discussion board. It's the nature of the beast. Yes, there's lots of negativity, but we don't have to pay much, if any, attention to it as we find our way to the more interesting and informative posts, of which there are many.

We are flawed human beings and there are many reasons why we act the way we do. I find peace knowing we can't change anyone except ourselves.

And you most certainly CAN "fix stupid." Ron White is incorrect.

[Hopeful2]

I think the reckless people should have to sign a waiver saying they will not ask for medical assistance due to corona!!! Why should these drs and nurses put their lives on the line any more than they have to help people who have NO regard for anyone's life!!! These r truly very selfish and ignorant people!!!

Thank you for your post! It says it all!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Let’s all blame the media because we know all the true information comes from the internet 😂😂

[Barefoot]

The media has done their job by scaring the people with this overblown virus crap. It's a deadly virus. :ohdear: I don't agree that it's "overblown virus crap".

[billethkid]

It's a deadly virus. :ohdear: I don't agree that it's "overblown virus crap".

And the flu is considered what?

2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)

Deadly? 24,000 to 64,000 deaths for the 2019-2020 season?

[gadaboutgal]

And the flu is considered what?

2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)

Deadly? 24,000 to 64,000 deaths for the 2019-2020 season?
One cannot reasonably compare Flu Season deaths with the Covid 19 deaths in a 2 month period:
Deaths
78,320 (As of: May 9, 2020 at 3:45 p.m. ET)
Covid is a MUCH deadlier virus
There is a vaccine to avoid death by the flu virus; There is no vaccine to avoid death by Covid 19.

[Wallyworld]

Worrying about today does not prevent you from dying tomorrow, but it does prevent you from living today.

[TimeForChange]

Then don't go there.