Protest

[Bay Kid]

With all the destruction in Minneapolis we are looking like a 3rd world country. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Stealing and destroying someone's business is not protesting.

[Tennisbum]

Most are not protesting, just getting their hands on free things and destroying others property.
I saw that one was shot by a shop owner. Need a few more of those to slow them down. 10 people were murdered in Chicago over the weekend and nobody raised an eyebrow, go figure!

[Taltarzac725]

True. This is very complicated though with a lot of things stirring the pot.

I lived in Minneapolis for 5.5 years in 1986-late 1991.

There are some very tough neighborhoods that had a lot of problems when I was there and it looks like they still have them.

I do not understand burning down the stores where you buy things every day. Makes no sense. But I am not an African American in the Twin Cities dealing with Corona Virus and all the other things surrounding it.

Empathy should be very important though with respect to everyone involved up there.

[vintageogauge]

It was stated on the news last evening that there were a lot of out of town protestors involved once again. A very sad sight to see, I feel sorry for all of those living in the area.

[Taltarzac725]

That would need to be triple-checked for accuracy.

Source for this? That looks like spin but I could be wrong about that.

It was stated on the news last evening that there were a lot of out of town protestors involved once again. A very sad sight to see, I feel sorry for all of those living in the area.

[Taltarzac725]

I did live in a quite tough neighborhood in Minneapolis in the Summer of 1988. I never left my rented apartment after 7:00 PM as there were often drug deals across the street in a park.

This was a primarily Lakota/African American neighborhood.

I had gotten a very good deal on the rent.

[Taltarzac725]

National Guard Called To Respond To Minneapolis Violence | Minneapolis, MN Patch (https://patch.com/minnesota/minneapolis/national-guard-called-respond-minneapolis-violence)

I did find this of interest.

[timinthevillages]

I did not do any research so this is only an observation. But it is interesting that when police are involved I read alot about how we should not judge and we dont know what happen before the incident. But some seem to judge rather quickly on police less matters. Like I said I didn't take the time to research so maybe people that wait to react wait on both sides and others rush to judgement on both sides. I just hope some are not blindly protecting some and blindly attacking others. Just my two cents.

[Stu from NYC]

If the officers are guilty lock them up.

When the neighborhood uses this as an excuse to steal and destroy neighborhood business they are nothing but criminals and should be arrested. Why stand back and let the looting happen?

[Taltarzac725]

CNN had two commentators who grew up in Minneapolis or in that area this morning and both were as shocked as I am that this is happening there. Laura Coates - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Coates)
Poppy Harlow - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_Harlow)

They also said that the MN Attorney General is taking his time investigating the officers so that the case does not fall apart later.

That AG was Class of 1990 U of MN Law. I was Class of 1989. Laura Coates was U of MN Law Class of 2005.

I do hope he does things carefully. It would be quite bad if these officers are arrested and then get off due to some technicality.

If the officers are guilty lock them up.

When the neighborhood uses this as an excuse to steal and destroy neighborhood business they are nothing but criminals and should be arrested. Why stand back and let the looting happen?

[graciegirl]

That would need to be triple-checked for accuracy.

Source for this? That looks like spin but I could be wrong about that.

How would we ever know for sure?

[Bucco]

With all the destruction in Minneapolis we are looking like a 3rd world country. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Stealing and destroying someone's business is not protesting.

While your reference to the world view of our country is spot on, I assure you that "look" has nothing to do with this incident.

[John_W]

These type events make living in TV so much nicer and probably helps many to decide to move here. I know I couldn't wait to leave the Baltimore area, I still like the sports teams and maybe visit, although it's been since 2013 since my last visit.

I lived in a probably one of the best suburbs in Baltimore, it was Bel Air, and in 2016 two cops were ambushed and killed inside a Panera's next to Wegmans a 1/2 mile from my old house.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/armed-suspect-in-panera-shoots-two-maryland-officers/2016/02/10/75bb1648-d027-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html

I usually try to avoid seeing or reading about these events, there's really nothing we can do about it. I even hate when I see someone start a thread like "Forget About Getting Fired", what good did that do, other than rile up a few people who live 1500 miles away. I wish those threads were never allowed. It's always the same posters, they stay quiet until something bad happens in the country and they quick to jump on the topic and post their views like they're know-it-alls. I wish that thread was closed right now,

[Taltarzac725]

Baltimore is a very scary place at times. Parts of it anyway.

Another place that frightens me is Chicago.

My aunt would not let me go to the U of Chicago for a look see when I was living with her in Itasca in IL in late 1994. I was taking care of my uncle before he went into a nursing home. No spot was available yet. Itasca was quite safe for the most part.

Love the Villages as it is the safest place I have ever lived in over the years.

These type events make living in TV so much nicer and probably helps many to decide to move here. I know I couldn't wait to leave the Baltimore area, I still like the sports teams and maybe visit, although it's been since 2013 since my last visit.

I lived in a probably one of the best suburbs in Baltimore, it was Bel Air, and in 2016 two cops were ambushed and killed inside a Panera's next to Wegmans a 1/2 mile from my old house.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/armed-suspect-in-panera-shoots-two-maryland-officers/2016/02/10/75bb1648-d027-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html

I usually try to avoid seeing or reading about these events, there's really nothing we can do about it. I even hate when I see someone start a thread like "Forget About Getting Fired", what good did that do, other than rile up a few people who live 1500 miles away. I wish those threads were never allowed. It's always the same posters, they stay quiet until something bad happens in the country and they quick to jump on the topic and post their views like they're know-it-alls. I wish that thread was closed right now,

[davem4616]

until the underlying systemic issues are addressed this will never end

[Stu from NYC]

until the underlying systemic issues are addressed this will never end

Agreed but to stand by and let businesses be destroyed by hoodlums is not helping anything.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Agreed but to stand by and let businesses be destroyed by hoodlums is not helping anything.

Some of the destruction wasn't hoodlums. It was organized, partly by outsiders with inside connections. Such as the "auto zone umbrella man" with the gas mask - his identity hasn't been confirmed (though some OTHER organized outsiders are intentionally creating suspicion about one particular person), but he was not recognized by people in the area.

There are also accusations that it is the black community exclusively involved in the looting and destruction. It isn't. There are absolutely confirmed Antifa folks - who were asked BY the black community to stay out of it, and they refused to stay out of it.

There are also white supremacists involved doing it on purpose to ensure that the black community gets blamed for it.

And yes there are also folks in the black community doing this.

You attack a segment of the population, then encourage that segment to fight back and even HELP them be violent - and you're going to end up with violence. No matter who is the segment being attacked.

Kent State, the destruction of Black Wall Street, the rioting in Charlotte, NC, the lynchings in Alabama - all spurred by people who encouraged other people to lash out against their enemy, whether real or merely perceived. The ones who goaded the rioters and looters to riot and loot - the ones who KNEW that a group of people were angry and upset and on the edge - and then tipped them over the edge on purpose into violence.

THOSE are the people who have started all the looting and destruction in Minneapolis.

You don't p*s* people off, and then hand them a lit match. But that's exactly what is happening now.

[retiredguy123]

A hoodlum is "a person who engages in crime and violence".

They sure look like hoodlums to me.

[Stu from NYC]

Some of the destruction wasn't hoodlums. It was organized, partly by outsiders with inside connections. Such as the "auto zone umbrella man" with the gas mask - his identity hasn't been confirmed (though some OTHER organized outsiders are intentionally creating suspicion about one particular person), but he was not recognized by people in the area.

There are also accusations that it is the black community exclusively involved in the looting and destruction. It isn't. There are absolutely confirmed Antifa folks - who were asked BY the black community to stay out of it, and they refused to stay out of it.

There are also white supremacists involved doing it on purpose to ensure that the black community gets blamed for it.

And yes there are also folks in the black community doing this.

You attack a segment of the population, then encourage that segment to fight back and even HELP them be violent - and you're going to end up with violence. No matter who is the segment being attacked.

Kent State, the destruction of Black Wall Street, the rioting in Charlotte, NC, the lynchings in Alabama - all spurred by people who encouraged other people to lash out against their enemy, whether real or merely perceived. The ones who goaded the rioters and looters to riot and loot - the ones who KNEW that a group of people were angry and upset and on the edge - and then tipped them over the edge on purpose into violence.

THOSE are the people who have started all the looting and destruction in Minneapolis.

You don't p*s* people off, and then hand them a lit match. But that's exactly what is happening now.

If the police were allowed to do their jobs the looting would not happen. A certain segment of the population as described above have learned that free stuff is their for the taking.

[retiredguy123]

With all the destruction in Minneapolis we are looking like a 3rd world country. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Stealing and destroying someone's business is not protesting.
The same Government process has been in effect for the last 20 years or so. When a racial event occurs, people are allowed to destroy property and steal whatever they want for about 2 or 3 days. Then, enough is enough, and the Government applies force to stop it. This process will continue in the future until the Government decides to change the process. And any statements by Government officials that looters will be arrested and prosecuted are universally viewed as lies because they are lies and people know it.

[ColdNoMore]

Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

If you're one of those keeping your mouth shut and purposely confusing 'Nationalism' (which is simply code for "white nationalism") with 'Patriotism,' when blacks are on the front lines serving you and dying at a horrendous % rate compared to other demographics, just so you can hide in your house during this virus crisis...you also carry part of the blame.

I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men and were treated from black policemen the way so many black men are treated from so many white policemen, millions of you would be screeching about the horror and injustice...and a certain % would be running around with their assault rifles screaming "give me my liberty back."

This morning, a FULLY credentialed news team who was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than the on-air reporter being black...was arrested while reporting.

You can claim all you want about how you're not racist or a bigot, but if you refuse to become involved to right these wrongs...you forfeit that claim.

MLK referred to it as "the silence of good white people."

Are YOU one of those people?

Would you be fine with it, if the tables were turned...180 degrees?



Repeat this 100 times...until it actually sinks in:


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

[retiredguy123]

I would like to know how Al Sharpton is helping.

[Marvic 1]

Sorry, that was the wrong Pic,
This guy...

[dewilson58]

Saw the state police standing in line creating a safety perimeter for the firefighters........protesters standing & yelling in their faces. What's the point?? Wish I could hear what "she" was yelling. Oh wait, glad I can't hear it.


Not helping any effort.

[manaboutown]

These type events make living in TV so much nicer and probably helps many to decide to move here. I know I couldn't wait to leave the Baltimore area, I still like the sports teams and maybe visit, although it's been since 2013 since my last visit.

I lived in a probably one of the best suburbs in Baltimore, it was Bel Air, and in 2016 two cops were ambushed and killed inside a Panera's next to Wegmans a 1/2 mile from my old house.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/armed-suspect-in-panera-shoots-two-maryland-officers/2016/02/10/75bb1648-d027-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html

I usually try to avoid seeing or reading about these events, there's really nothing we can do about it. I even hate when I see someone start a thread like "Forget About Getting Fired", what good did that do, other than rile up a few people who live 1500 miles away. I wish those threads were never allowed. It's always the same posters, they stay quiet until something bad happens in the country and they quick to jump on the topic and post their views like they're know-it-alls. I wish that thread was closed right now,

I saw riots in Baltimore up close and personal when I was in the Maryland Army National Guard and was called to active duty for the Baltimore riot in the late 1960s. Nothing much about who participates and what happens seems to have changed. Most of these rioters are there to steal, commit arson and other crimes as they know they will get away with it. Many have criminal histories or are undesirables in various other ways. These riots are organized by small but high profile vocal extremist groups and tolerated by society. What a shame!

[Stu from NYC]

and btw the police officer has been arrested. Hopefully we can now let the criminal justice system do its job

[Stu from NYC]

Do not understand why anyone takes anything Al Sharpton says seriously. He should be in prison for tax evasion.

Former NYers during the Tawana Brawley case and all Sharpton did was inflame the black community every chance he had. When it turned out she lied about the whole thing he just disappeared.

[Joe V.]

I did not do any research so this is only an observation. But it is interesting that when police are involved I read alot about how we should not judge and we dont know what happen before the incident. But some seem to judge rather quickly on police less matters. Like I said I didn't take the time to research so maybe people that wait to react wait on both sides and others rush to judgement on both sides. I just hope some are not blindly protecting some and blindly attacking others. Just my two cents.

Nothing justifies rioting. Nothing. This is no protest.

[Joe V.]

Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

If you're one of those keeping your mouth shut and purposely confusing 'Nationalism' (which is simply code for "white nationalism") with 'Patriotism,' when blacks are on the front lines serving you and dying at a horrendous % rate compared to other demographics, just so you can hide in your house during this virus crisis...you also carry part of the blame.

I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men and were treated from black policemen the way so many black men are treated from so many white policemen, millions of you would be screeching about the horror and injustice...and a certain % would be running around with their assault rifles screaming "give me my liberty back."

This morning, a FULLY credentialed news team who was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than the on-air reporter being black...was arrested while reporting.

You can claim all you want about how you're not racist or a bigot, but if you refuse to become involved to right these wrongs...you forfeit that claim.

MLK referred to it as "the silence of good white people."

Are YOU one of those people?

Would you be fine with it, if the tables were turned...180 degrees?



Repeat this 100 times...until it actually sinks in:


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

The rioting must be stopped. Period. By force if necessary.

[golfing eagles]

The same Government process has been in effect for the last 20 years or so. When a racial event occurs, people are allowed to destroy property and steal whatever they want for about 2 or 3 days. Then, enough is enough, and the Government applies force to stop it. This process will continue in the future until the Government decides to change the process. And any statements by Government officials that looters will be arrested and prosecuted are universally viewed as lies because they are lies and people know it.

In that case I would suggest calling out the national guard with shoot to kill orders. Ends looting in a hurry

[graciegirl]

People need feel no shame for their race no matter what race it is.

People need to obey laws no matter what the laws are or seek to change them.

You cannot legislate morality. Hatred will always find a subject and even if it is to bully and belittle than hatred will destroy.

[Stu from NYC]

In that case I would suggest calling out the national guard with shoot to kill orders. Ends looting in a hurry

Unless there are consequences the looting will continue. Just an excuse to get free stuff.

[timinthevillages]

So this title was about the protesters. Seems the subject has gotten confused with looters. Because they are not one and the same. That would be like me saying all cops are bad.

[retiredguy123]

So this title was about the protesters. Seems the subject has gotten confused with looters. Because they are not one and the same. That would be like me saying all cops are bad.
I'm confused. Are you saying that looting for free stuff is just a fringe benefit of protesting? What about burning buildings and cars? Is that protesting? I would say that all of it is protesting, but it is illegal protesting.

[Get real]

I would like to know how Al Sharpton is helping.

That is the funniest thing I heard all day.

[mneumann02]

Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

If you're one of those keeping your mouth shut and purposely confusing 'Nationalism' (which is simply code for "white nationalism") with 'Patriotism,' when blacks are on the front lines serving you and dying at a horrendous % rate compared to other demographics, just so you can hide in your house during this virus crisis...you also carry part of the blame.

I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men and were treated from black policemen the way so many black men are treated from so many white policemen, millions of you would be screeching about the horror and injustice...and a certain % would be running around with their assault rifles screaming "give me my liberty back."

This morning, a FULLY credentialed news team who was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than the on-air reporter being black...was arrested while reporting.

You can claim all you want about how you're not racist or a bigot, but if you refuse to become involved to right these wrongs...you forfeit that claim.

MLK referred to it as "the silence of good white people."

Are YOU one of those people?

Would you be fine with it, if the tables were turned...180 degrees?



Repeat this 100 times...until it actually sinks in:


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

I believe your statement gets at the root cause of why these tragedies occur and why they will never be solved, i.e., Denying The Root Causes of These Tragic Events. Try to take your emotions out of the equation and we can get at the root causes, then solve the problem.

Let's start with your claim " I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men" we'd be doing the same things. Well, when old white people do something wrong and are confronted by police, we tend to say "Yes, Sir" and comply with their commands. Would there be less of these tragic events if there was more compliance and less resistance?

Forgive me, but I will diverge. I'm basically a liberal but my problem with extreme liberal folks is that they tend to just want to throw more money at failed social programs and blame others for poverty and crime. I want to solve the problems of poverty and crime. We actually can do it, but not by denying the root causes.

[72lions]

Unless there are consequences the looting will continue. Just an excuse to get free stuff.

Unless there are consequences, police brutality will not stop. As horrific as the action of this officer was, the inaction of the other officers is sickening.

[manaboutown]

More is being revealed as is usually the case. Both Floyd and the cop worked security at the same club so they obviously knew one another. Was it a personal grudge? George Floyd & Fired Cop Worked Security Together at Club: Report (https://www.westernjournal.com/george-floyd-fired-cop-worked-security-together-club-report/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_campaign=lminetwork&utm_content=2020-05-29&fbclid=IwAR0cD4vwpRxZdzvPamgKgU7AnrbP2vy76UTQF6rgO 9na_334-dHhTSBKVbg)

George Floyd, Arresting Officer Worked Together: Club Owner (https://www.ntd.com/george-floyd-arresting-officer-worked-together-club-owner_470669.html?fbclid=IwAR2Nf7v9F0oV4bbPx0AhnIL SaKNNcmGI45tl259x_ERVFstBLYUPnS7lTNM)

[Bucco]

Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

If you're one of those keeping your mouth shut and purposely confusing 'Nationalism' (which is simply code for "white nationalism") with 'Patriotism,' when blacks are on the front lines serving you and dying at a horrendous % rate compared to other demographics, just so you can hide in your house during this virus crisis...you also carry part of the blame.

I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men and were treated from black policemen the way so many black men are treated from so many white policemen, millions of you would be screeching about the horror and injustice...and a certain % would be running around with their assault rifles screaming "give me my liberty back."

This morning, a FULLY credentialed news team who was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than the on-air reporter being black...was arrested while reporting.

You can claim all you want about how you're not racist or a bigot, but if you refuse to become involved to right these wrongs...you forfeit that claim.

MLK referred to it as "the silence of good white people."

Are YOU one of those people?

Would you be fine with it, if the tables were turned...180

Repeat this 100 times...until it actually sinks in:


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

ENABLING by silence

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
Not to speak is to speak.
Not to act is to act.”


― Dietrich Bonhoeffer

[anothersteve]

I always wonder about the "outspoken" on any particular "cause" actually. Do they practice what they preach? Oh..... to be a fly on some walls!
Steve

[Bucco]

I always wonder about the "outspoken" on any particular "cause" actually. Do they practice what they preach? Oh..... to be a fly on some walls!
Steve

Of course you are correct. Does not apply on this forum, where you are not even here if you do not post.

Best question is how much is posted for reasons other than what is in the heart.

[Shbullet]

Blacks are just as patriotic as everyone else. Stuff your bigotry.

Yeah those white horrible police just picking on blacks. Pull your head out of your you know what.

You can claim all you want about how you're not racist or a bigot, but if you refuse to become involved to right these wrongs...you forfeit that claim. ABSOULTELY. Look in the mirror.

ColdNoMore Im proud to be a old white person and refuse to be placed in a category that paints me as racist or anti black just because Im an old white man. Just quit that self righteous BS forum that tries to imply that your above all others. We all have empathy for what happened but I refuse to take personal blame for any of it. And no Im not the problem...at all

[anothersteve]

Best question is how much is posted for reasons other than what is in the heart.

Agreed
Steve

[timinthevillages]

I'm confused. Are you saying that looting for free stuff is just a fringe benefit of protesting? What about burning buildings and cars? Is that protesting? I would say that all of it is protesting, but it is illegal protesting.

No, sorry for not being clear. I'm saying protesters are protesting and a bad element are taking advantage of the situation. Hence the looters. All I'm saying is it's seems their are considered one and the same.

[manaboutown]

Medical Examiner: No Evidence George Floyd Died Of Strangulation; ‘Underlying Conditions,’ ‘Potential Intoxicants’ Likely Factors | The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/medical-examiner-no-evidence-george-floyd-died-of-strangulation-underlying-conditions-potential-intoxicants-a-factor-in-death?%3Futm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fedup)

[Lisa C]

I can understand peaceful protesting. My question is what could possibly be the benefit of destroying your own community?? How does this possibly honor or get justice for Mr. Floyd??? This is ridiculous unacceptable behavior and in my opinion, authorities need to take much more severe action towards these rioters. Otherwise, it's only going to get worse.

[ColdNoMore]

I believe your statement gets at the root cause of why these tragedies occur and why they will never be solved, i.e., Denying The Root Causes of These Tragic Events. Try to take your emotions out of the equation and we can get at the root causes, then solve the problem.
OK fair enough.

And let me state for the record, that I DO NOT condone violence from anyone, toward anyone, nor the destruction of property in protesting.

I believe that the "root cause" is because of the feeling of those quietly sitting on the sidelines that think "as long as I haven't been treated/discriminated against all of my life and it doesn't happen to me, I'm OK with that."

I'm saying that the silence by decent whites and their non-action and unwillingness to be attacked by other whites, like I am in this thread and every time I point out the disparities/discrimination...IS the root cause.

What are YOU trying to say is the root cause?



Let's start with your claim " I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men" we'd be doing the same things. Well, when old white people do something wrong and are confronted by police, we tend to say "Yes, Sir" and comply with their commands. Would there be less of these tragic events if there was more compliance and less resistance?
The reason "we" do this is because we haven't lived a life where we are viewed as suspect, in almost every situation, simply because of the color of our skin.

Since we will never know what that might feel like, it's impossible to say...what % would eventually reach their limit and act like 'some' of the protestors are doing.

Keeping in mind that the vast majority of protestors, are NOT the ones looting and fomenting violence.

MLK was a strong proponent of peaceful demonstrations and yet even that was too much for all too many white people...who felt blacks didn't deserve equality.

So one killed him for it.

The great irony is that this nation was birthed from a feeling of being discriminated against, the Colonialists felt like their backs were against the wall, were never getting a break from the British and basically felt that they were cornered rats...with nothing to lose.

Then once we gained our freedom, THROUGH VIOLENCE, we built this country's foundation on the backs of free labor...re: black slaves.

And yet we celebrate that. :ohdear:






Forgive me, but I will diverge. I'm basically a liberal but my problem with extreme liberal folks is that they tend to just want to throw more money at failed social programs and blame others for poverty and crime. I want to solve the problems of poverty and crime. We actually can do it, but not by denying the root causes.
LOL, I'm actually far from "extreme liberal."

The fact that someone willing to try and point out racism and racists, is automatically called an "extreme liberal"...says a lot.

Does that make everyone who totes around their assault rifles, waving the confederate flag and trying to intimidate others...is an "extreme conservative?"

You've mentioned "root cause" a few times, but have failed to say what YOU think that is.

What do you think the root cause is...and how would you approach fixing it?

I believe the majority of posts in this thread, of which there has been no recognition/understanding of how a person might feel if they had simply been born with dark skin...IS a root cause.

[DeanFL]

..we were so sad and angered by the death of Mr. Floyd allegedly killed by the MN policeman.

<now>

..we are so sad and angered by the rage and destruction by these mobs nationwide TAKING ADVANTAGE of this crisis. As many of you had noted what does these actions solve? What is gained? Is it truly in honor of Mr. Floyd? Will it absolutely eliminate something as this -by rogues cop(s) that may occur again in the next decade. Probably not - the mobs will find reason for more destruction and looting. Where are the Afr Am leaders? Can't they attempt to defuse this before it expands to more American cities.

Now> we are appalled about TWO matters. sad for OUR country.

[anothersteve]

Carrying the burden of the world surely is not an easy task , yet they persist, and do it purely for self servance.
Some talk, some act. Some see who talk, some see who act. The quiet are the ones who purely act. No colored words needed.

Steve

[diane reynolds]

With all the destruction in Minneapolis we are looking like a 3rd world country. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Stealing and destroying someone's business is not protesting.

I never condone violence and destruction of property, but when peaceful protest like the NFL players taking knees and white Americans just being horrified at such behavior, what is the next step? Rioting is a last ditch effort to be HEARD> who, here in The Villages, is listening?

[Dahabs]

Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

If you're one of those keeping your mouth shut and purposely confusing 'Nationalism' (which is simply code for "white nationalism") with 'Patriotism,' when blacks are on the front lines serving you and dying at a horrendous % rate compared to other demographics, just so you can hide in your house during this virus crisis...you also carry part of the blame.

I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men and were treated from black policemen the way so many black men are treated from so many white policemen, millions of you would be screeching about the horror and injustice...and a certain % would be running around with their assault rifles screaming "give me my liberty back."

This morning, a FULLY credentialed news team who was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than the on-air reporter being black...was arrested while reporting.

You can claim all you want about how you're not racist or a bigot, but if you refuse to become involved to right these wrongs...you forfeit that claim.

MLK referred to it as "the silence of good white people."

Are YOU one of those people?

Would you be fine with it, if the tables were turned...180 degrees?



Repeat this 100 times...until it actually sinks in:


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

Couldn't agree more. Well said!

[Dahabs]

I never condone violence and destruction of property, but when peaceful protest like the NFL players taking knees and white Americans just being horrified at such behavior, what is the next step? Rioting is a last ditch effort to be HEARD> who, here in The Villages, is listening?

The NFL "taking a knee" protests was misconstrued by many as a disrespect to the flag and the anthem when it was intended to draw attention to the differences in the treatment of the various segments of American society. Is the ignorance willful or just plain blind?

[J1ceasar]

Pretty easy with a video tape . and a non violent crime to begin with.

[Bay Kid]

No social distancing last night as protest that turned into riots across our country. An excuse to burn, loot and destroy.
The media is loving this.

[riamd1954]

Totally agree that cop is a real pos and deserves jail time!! On the other hand they are savages for destroying there own homes and towns!! This is a good excuse for rioting and absolutely disgusting!!!

[B-flat]

These type events make living in TV so much nicer and probably helps many to decide to move here. I know I couldn't wait to leave the Baltimore area, I still like the sports teams and maybe visit, although it's been since 2013 since my last visit.

I lived in a probably one of the best suburbs in Baltimore, it was Bel Air, and in 2016 two cops were ambushed and killed inside a Panera's next to Wegmans a 1/2 mile from my old house.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/armed-suspect-in-panera-shoots-two-maryland-officers/2016/02/10/75bb1648-d027-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html

I usually try to avoid seeing or reading about these events, there's really nothing we can do about it. I even hate when I see someone start a thread like "Forget About Getting Fired", what good did that do, other than rile up a few people who live 1500 miles away. I wish those threads were never allowed. It's always the same posters, they stay quiet until something bad happens in the country and they quick to jump on the topic and post their views like they're know-it-alls. I wish that thread was closed right now,

Your post caught my attention. When we travel by car to and from New England we usually spend the first night in a hotel that’s less than 2 miles from that Panera. In the past we have bought our evening meal there, I would have never guessed that was the site of a shooting.

[Pamelah]

I agree ColdNoMore. I think people would stand up IF we knew where to stand and what to do!
This government is incapable of taking a lead. What do we do?

[noslices1]

The officer whose knee was on the person who died’s neck was charged with “Third degree murder”. What IS third degree murder? Did the officer just fall asleep for the 8 minutes he was kneeling on him and just forgot to Listen to him say he couldn’t breathe? I thought I also hear him say, “He’s trying to kill me.” As well as, “I can’t breathe.”

[Paper1]

China is smiling

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It seems to me that we have two choices in this country when we think that there has been an injustice. We can work within the system to try to get justice served. We can wait to see if people will eventually come to trial and be found guilty or not guilty.

Or we can burn down and loot businesses that had nothing to do with the original crime.

I wonder if any of those businesses that have been attacked were owned by African Americans or other minorities.

[Love2Swim]

Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

If you're one of those keeping your mouth shut and purposely confusing 'Nationalism' (which is simply code for "white nationalism") with 'Patriotism,' when blacks are on the front lines serving you and dying at a horrendous % rate compared to other demographics, just so you can hide in your house during this virus crisis...you also carry part of the blame.

I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men and were treated from black policemen the way so many black men are treated from so many white policemen, millions of you would be screeching about the horror and injustice...and a certain % would be running around with their assault rifles screaming "give me my liberty back."

This morning, a FULLY credentialed news team who was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than the on-air reporter being black...was arrested while reporting.

You can claim all you want about how you're not racist or a bigot, but if you refuse to become involved to right these wrongs...you forfeit that claim.

MLK referred to it as "the silence of good white people."

Are YOU one of those people?

Would you be fine with it, if the tables were turned...180 degrees?



Repeat this 100 times...until it actually sinks in:


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

Thank you. This is spot on. I'd be willing to bet that all the white people who thought that Colin Kaepernick taking a knee in peaceful protest was just unthinkable and unpatriotic, are suddenly silent when a police officer takes a knee on a suspect to the point of killing him. Hypocrites.

[Kegarn]

Many of these protesters are NOT locals....they come in for the sole purpose of creating destruction and mayhem. What a tragic state of affairs, either way.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Cops aren’t suppose to murder anybody. A forged check or fake $20 is not worthy of capital punishment.

[NotGolfer]

To Winston OBogey and others too on this thread, there were businesses that were owned by black people. One for sure...a retired firefighter in fact, whose business he was just opening was destroyed. He was shown crying and asking "why!" It has been alluded to that the rioters (that's what they are) were brought in from other places to destroy. Isn't it strange that ALL ACROSS this country almost in syncrony the same thing is happening in other cities? It's not about the man that was killed. We don't yet know the particulars behind that death---it might have been a personal vendetta (it's been alluded to). I believe it's being used as an excuse for other deeds, which is exceedly sad and wrong. I don't rely on the "news"...as it's opinion now and not the "where, what, when, who and why" that it used to be. It saddens me that human beings feel they can take advantage and destroy things in this manner as well as steal. They're being driven by nefarious means. What if it were your friends or family that were affected? Many places (in the 100's) and no longer in "the hood" (so to speak) were burned and destroyed. It's our country that we all profess to love that's being destroyed. Let's pull together.

[bilcon]

Me wife and I visited South America in February and saw first handed what happened when the criminals got involved in a peaceful protest about wages, retirement pay and increases in cost of living. The thugs destroyed the downtown areas of Valparaiso and Santiago. Stores and subways were burned and looted, all the beautiful monuments and buildings were spray painted. More than 35 were killed after the police finally got involved, The looters now set up blankets outside the closed stores and sell the merchandise they looted, Most of the stores are still closed 3 months later and all those people are without jobs. Just goes to show that the real reasons for the peaceful demonstrates were lost on a few thousand thugs who thrive on these opportunities to steal, loot and destroy property. A week or so after the original violent demonstrations in October or November, there was another demonstration in downtown Santiago with an estimated one million people. The thugs were not there and not one incident of violence was reported. Because of a few bad cops in the US, the rest of the force will have their hands tied, and the thugs will get away with the crimes. We are in deep dodo, but this is not new. Sorry for the people who are genuinely concerned about what happened in MN.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Thank you. This is spot on. I'd be willing to bet that all the white people who thought that Colin Kaepernick taking a knee in peaceful protest was just unthinkable and unpatriotic, are suddenly silent when a police officer takes a knee on a suspect to the point of killing him. Hypocrites.

Who is silent? I hear a lot of white people condemning this act.

I just heard a commentator on television say that we need peace, but we also need justice. I hope that we can get justice for all of these business owners that had nothing to do with the actions of this police officer as well.

[retiredguy123]

Many of these protesters are NOT locals....they come in for the sole purpose of creating destruction and mayhem. What a tragic state of affairs, either way.
Protesting, destruction, and looting is occurring in many places around the country. What difference does it make whether they are local or not?

[rrlavigne]

Our generation can't be holier than thou. Look at all the riots and looting in the 60s, they were almost common place. Unfortunately this is nothing new.

[Cranford61]

That would need to be triple-checked for accuracy.

Source for this? That looks like spin but I could be wrong about that.
They were talking about the Rev. Al Sharpton.

[ColdNoMore]

I agree ColdNoMore. I think people would stand up IF we knew where to stand and what to do!
This government is incapable of taking a lead. What do we do?

I believe it starts with nationally recognized, good-hearted & decent white leaders/public figures (including those on the right)...speaking up instead of staying silent.

Such as people like Carson Wentz, Steve Kerr and others.

Wentz speaks out against institutionalized racism. (click here) (http://deadspin.com/carson-wentz-speaking-out-against-institutionalized-rac-1843764558)

“Been thinking about the George Floyd situation and thinking of the words to say [and] coming up empty,” Wentz said. “All I know is that the institutional racism in this country breaks my heart and needs to stop. Can’t even fathom what the black community has to endure on a daily basis.

“Being from North Dakota, I’ve spent a large part of my life surrounded by people of similar color, so I’m never gonna act like I know what the black community goes through or even has gone through already. I’ll never know the feeling of having to worry about my kids going outside because of their skin color. However, I do know that we are all equal at the foot of the cross and Jesus taught us to value others’ lives like they were our own — regardless of skin tone.

The reason I have my doubts this will happen in any numbers (especially by those on the right), is because they realize a significant percentage of those who vote/support them are just fine with the current institutional/systemic deck stacked against those who aren't white...and their support would suffer if they spoke up.

It will take good people having the courage to step forward, in a non-violent way...to even start any changes.

I would also suggest looking nearby and you will find a desperate need for volunteers in predominately black churches/communities, that are grateful for any help...but especially by those of us who are white and live in TV.

Not only have I been openly accepted and appreciated, but this has been some of the most rewarding and satisfying actions of my life and I recommend everyone do at least something...even if it's just a clothes or monetary donation.

Sadly however, one only has to look at the usual suspects right here on TOTV...to see those who are fine with the status quo. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

Thank you. This is spot on. I'd be willing to bet that all the white people who thought that Colin Kaepernick taking a knee in peaceful protest was just unthinkable and unpatriotic, are suddenly silent when a police officer takes a knee on a suspect to the point of killing him. Hypocrites.

You are absolutely correct. :ohdear:

[Stu from NYC]

You are absolutely correct. :ohdear:

It would be interesting to arrest the looters and see where they came from and how they came to be in the city they are looting.

Keep hearing that many are paid to come and protest and while they are there lets get some free stuff.

It is a horrible tragedy that the man was apparently murdered by the cop but too destroy property including businesses owned by blacks is just plain wrong and wish police would do their jobs and put a stop to the destruction.

[Taltarzac725]

The problem in Minneapolis seems to be with the training and monitoring of their police forces.

Many police leaders interviewed on CNN and on the Orlando news channels have also made this observation.

I did investigate an alleged beating of one of my clients when I was a Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoner's student back around 1987-1988 but the person I represented could not give a correct date and, of course, the police were quite uncooperative about handing over any records. They wanted a date and time and my client could not recall when he was allegedly beaten.

He dropped the whole matter. I did get the feeling he had been attacked by a guard.

One bad actor can cause a lot of damage and if you have a culture in which bad actions are encouraged then that could lead to even wider problems.

Checks-and-balances are critical.

[mamamia54]

The first thing we need to do is stop calling the people involved in this protesters. Start calling them what they are, looters and rioters. Setting fire to innocent business owners, setting police cars on fire, burning the American Flag, etc is not a protest. Martin Luther King must be rolling in his grave. He accomplished more with peace these these morons ever will. The news said this morning that the new planned riots will take place in “upscale white neighborhoods”. Can you imagine what would happen if all this energy was used to do good. What I don’t understand is why isn’t Mr Floyd’s family coming out and asking for peace and for this to stop. I wouldn’t want one of my loved ones memory attached to such destruction. The whole situation is awful. A few bad police put a bad mark on all the police who risk their lives everyday. On the other hand, no one should die after being arrested and in handcuffs. All I know is, what’s going on is not the answer. Innocent business owners (black and white) had nothing to do with this. When this is over and your neighborhood doesn’t have any stores to shop in, blame yourselves.

[dewilson58]

Rioting is a last ditch effort to be HEARD>


No it's not.

[collie1228]

I just watched a video of a CNN reporter reporting on the "protests" in Minneapolis. He said on live TV that the riots in MN were "entirely peaceful" and a "merry caravan" and then someone threw a bottle directly at him. I guess his idea of "peaceful"and "merry" are a lot different from mine. That's why I mostly avoid watching CNN. You can't make this stuff up.

[billethkid]

The riots are what the media have you thinking that what they present is a general condition. When it is not.

Their view of any situation is looking through a straw. When looking at the side of an elephant through their straw they would report the world has turned completely gray!!!

If the cameras focused on the guy with a torch in his hand looked one block away.....people would be going about their business.

If the reporting organization has alphabet letters in it's name it has an agenda....to maintain.

[GoodLife]

Why do these instances of police brutality and subsequent riots, looting, arson etc always seem to happen in places controlled by a particular party?

[John_W]

The first thing we need to do is stop calling the people involved in this protesters. Start calling them what they are, looters and rioters. Setting fire to innocent business owners, setting police cars on fire, burning the American Flag, etc is not a protest. Martin Luther King must be rolling in his grave.

You are absolutely CORRECT!!!!

[rsibole]

With all the destruction in Minneapolis we are looking like a 3rd world country. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Stealing and destroying someone's business is not protesting.

‪In my opinion, a root cause of the problems in this Country is that everyone seems to separate Americans into "Communities" according to their skin color, morals or religious and political beliefs. Everyone who does is and promotes the real racism, bigotry and strife in this Country. As long as there is a "Black Community" racism will exist, which will be as far into the future as I can imagine. As long as there is a Gay Community, Jewish Community, Muslim Community or any divided group identifying as a “Community” setting themselves apart, there will be a natural and continuous bias from within and outside their Community. ‬

‪Unconditional love and acceptance is Devine but we are all human. As long as there are humans, as long as there is a we, there will be Communities and there will be racism, bigotry and strife. The fewer “Communities” the less problems of these types we’ll have. The way to that end is to expand our smaller communities into a larger one, giving up the identities that separate us. ‬

‪We live in a very large Community . . . . America. When our main identity is being an American the lesser attributes of skin color, religious beliefs or personal preference will matter less and not separate us as Americans.

[donfey]

It was stated on the news last evening that there were a lot of out of town protestors involved once again. A very sad sight to see, I feel sorry for all of those living in the area.

The people who want to destroy America, "transform it," if you will, are paying the thugs that are bused in to increase the violence and rev up those who live there. Police are told to "stand down" by feckless politicians (who think they control the city,) hoping that "things will simmer down." As the situation escalates, law enforcement has to resort to harsher measures, like tear gas and rubber bullets, until THEY look like the bad guys. A sad state of affairs, for sure.

[joseppe]

The NFL "taking a knee" protests was misconstrued by many as a disrespect to the flag and the anthem when it was intended to draw attention to the differences in the treatment of the various segments of American society. Is the ignorance willful or just plain blind?

Maybe this is not willful nor blind ignorance. Maybe it is just a lack of knowing what to do about it. I believe that many Know of the differences in treatment of various segments of American society. Given that we do Know of this how do you propose we change it? You cannot 'govern' away discrimination. Laws do not change how people feel towards others. The overall sentiment here seems to be that if George Floyd were not Black then this would not have happened. We don't know that.

This is off the subject of the original post, but it is at the heart of what is driving the rioting. I believe the protest would be welcomed, but the rioting and looting and destruction is not protest, it is outright criminal behavior.

[kenoc7]

until the underlying systemic issues are addressed this will never end

True and sad; I certainly would never justify the looting and destruction but I understand that when it happens it is an expression of power for the powerlessness because of the underlying systemic issues. It would be nice to see a little more empathy in this forum.

[John_W]

Your post caught my attention. When we travel by car to and from New England we usually spend the first night in a hotel that’s less than 2 miles from that Panera. In the past we have bought our evening meal there, I would have never guessed that was the site of a shooting.

When two cops are gunned down in broad daylight, that just goes to show there is nowhere safe from crime anymore, even inside a Paneras. That's 15 miles outside of the Baltimore Beltway and was 200 yards from my old home.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15910056/2016/02/panera1.jpg?w=600

In Florida there is about 2 million concealed weapon permit holders. In the past on this board, when someone asked about getting a concealed weapon permit, there's always someone who will say, why would you need that in TV.

Here's a beautiful neighborhood in Windemere where the former Minneapolis police officer owns property. Yesterday the mob of rioters defaced the property. Can you imagine if they had renters in there, and suddenly 100 people are in the yard, angry people. How about the next door neighbors, they couldn't walk outside their own home. Here's some of what they did, that's one side, it's vandalized all around. They finally brought police in when it obvious they were not peaceful. This is called a protest? There is NO way anyone can justify this type behavior.

http://www.bta.bg/en/gallery/showImage/?image=6698650

https://d1hfln2sfez66z.cloudfront.net/05-29-2020/t_66c0ad7a2c0e406ca0a2d2c6a9e78dc7_name_warning_la nguage___330pm_fri___raw_from_lbr_loren_bray___ORC O_MINNESOTA_OFC_HOME_in_windermere_frame_7826.jpg

The 60's protest, I'll tell you what that did for me. I had a draft lottery number of 265, a number that high meant I would never be drafted. At the same time I was enrolled at St. Petersburg JC, so I had a college deferment as long as I was enrolled. After watching those riots on TV, in the middle of my second year I didn't enroll in January '70 and dropped out and enlisted in the Army. How many of these rioters, and even these outspoken ones on this thread ever served this country? I can remember one who has mentioned this before, Bucco, the others can chime in and don't say the Boy Scouts.

Here I am in 1971 standing outside my mobile control tower in the DMZ of South Korea 3 miles from Panmunjom.

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67581773_1346284732202722_6724562731216666624_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=C8m2E_OhuhQAX8qXpJ4&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&oh=122f801d305441867b29a9c462aeb5c0&oe=5EF91F3F

[d and k kertesz]

Most are not protesting, just getting their hands on free things and destroying others property.
I saw that one was shot by a shop owner. Need a few more of those to slow them down. 10 people were murdered in Chicago over the weekend and nobody raised an eyebrow, go figure!
Source for “most are not protesting “ ???? And followed with slow them down by shooting them. Outrageous and glorifying violence!!!

[ColdNoMore]

True and sad; I certainly would never justify the looting and destruction but I understand that when it happens it is an expression of power for the powerlessness because of the underlying systemic issues. It would be nice to see a little more empathy in this forum.

Yeah, me too.

But as so accurately stated in a now deleted post (paraphrasing) - "you who support blacks and their oppression, should shut up and just let how the majority of Villagers feel...only post." :ohdear:

[d and k kertesz]

Perfectly stated! So sadly true.

[sloanst]

This is organized. How did these "riots" get started in practically every large city in a couple of days? That takes organization. Do you think its an accident that some of the leaders of these rioters are ready with incendiary devices, and tools the break into the stores and other buildings? What very wealthy individual is actively paying members of Anti-Fa and BLM? I will let you do the necessary research to find that name of the billionaire that has residences all over the world and is most likely living in Katonah, NY at this time.

[Reesie]

A to the Men!

[davem4616]

I posted earlier in this thread that until the systemic underlying causes are addressed nothing will change....someone else also called out the need to address the 'root causes'...another individual jumped on that post asking for clarity on what the 'root causes' are.

this is not my area of study, nor profession, but IMHO... here's my shot at what some of the systemic issues just may be:

- these folks live with an absence of hope, folks in these communities have no expectation that their lives will ever change for the better

- education is totally under valued, it is not openly encouraged by parents nor the leaders in the community, yet openly discouraged by peer pressure, as a result there is no real learning...and it has little to do with the condition of the school building, teachers aren't able to teach

- the family unit has broken down

- drugs are rampant and gangs control the streets...the inner city deaths due to gang gun violence is horrific

- living off welfare has become a generational dependency, rather than being the helping hand to get up on your feet that was originally intended

- thugs like Al Sharpton that prop themselves up as leaders are merely in the game to line their own pockets....just like Adam Clayton Powell did for years in NYC

- the British couldn't handle a rioting mob back in Concord...some officer feared for their lives and shots were fired...nothings changed...our police are human beings, emotions are going to flare and things are going to happen that shouldn't

....not a very pretty picture is it....and these are just a few things

It's no wonder that these communities 'explode'...and destroy the very neighborhoods that they live in

each one of the above represent a huge, huge challenge

and what has our society been doing about it?

well, we keep on addressing the symptoms vs. the underlying systemic causes....yeah build a new school, yet do nothing about fostering respect for the teachers and for the value that an education brings by parents, grandparents, community leaders, elected officials...let's put the responsibility where it belongs and where it will do the most good

ya, start a war on drugs....all that does is push it further underground

continue to 'feel good' that we're listening to the likes of an Al Sharpton and giving him a voice (that crook should have been thrown in jail for tax evasion just like Al Capone was)

Bermuda also has a welfare system....it works because it doesn't create a dependency upon it like ours does....In Bermuda if you are unable to live a comfortable lifestyle because the job you have doesn't pay enough, the State will subsidize you so that you can. The only catch is that you have to have a full time job

If we continue to only address the symptoms nothing changes...it's just like "eating an English Breakfast" (it keeps coming back on you)

Hopefully greater minds than mine with the resources will focus on how to address the systemic underlying issues and put all the puzzle pieces together....

[ColdNoMore]

SNIP>

Hopefully greater minds than mine with the resources will focus on how to address the systemic underlying issues and put all the puzzle pieces together....

It starts with a ZERO TOLERANCE for racists/bigots... in law enforcement.

And those willing to stand up, in spite of the 'thin blue line'...and speaking up about it.

Then let's go from there.

[OhioBuckeye]

Most are not protesting, just getting their hands on free things and destroying others property.
I saw that one was shot by a shop owner. Need a few more of those to slow them down. 10 people were murdered in Chicago over the weekend and nobody raised an eyebrow, go figure!

It also shows their mentality, they’re looting, burning & rioting in there own neighborhoods. The next thing they’ll be protesting will be we have no groceries, clothing, etc. etc. I feel bad for the elderly in those neighborhoods that get a prescription filled because these young people I think they think this is a big party. Just look at the news on TV & look at some of these young people laughing & yoking it up. Is this the way these parents brought these young people & had no control. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore
Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

So you chose to support the African American community by moving to The Villages? :shocked:

[oneclickplus]

With all the destruction in Minneapolis we are looking like a 3rd world country. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Stealing and destroying someone's business is not protesting.

That's because we allowed the 3rd world to run across our borders with no consequences.

[ColdNoMore]

So you chose to support the African American community by moving to The Villages?

I moved here solely for the golf and unlike so many others, am actually ashamed of the attitudes of so many TV'ers toward minorities...and the lack of diversity here.

Whereas for many others, it is the lack of diversity...that most attracted them to TV

[GoodLife]

I moved here solely for the golf and unlike so many others, am actually ashamed of the attitudes of so many TV'ers toward minorities...and the lack of diversity here.

Whereas for many others, it is the lack of diversity...that most attracted them to TV

If you are so ashamed of the attitudes here and lack of diversity I think you'd be more happy in one or more of our fine cities. They are more diverse and have nice golf courses too, plus you won't be surrounded by racists.

If you really want to help minorities, I suggest you donate to the committee to reelect the President, since during his first term unemployment for those groups went to their lowest levels ever.

[Reesie]

ColdNoMore Im proud to be a old white person and refuse to be placed in a category that paints me as racist or anti black just because Im an old white man. Just quit that self righteous BS forum that tries to imply that your above all others. We all have empathy for what happened but I refuse to take personal blame for any of it. And no Im not the problem...at all

Sir, IMHO, if you as a “proud, old, white person” are not doing anything to solve the problem, you ARE part of the problem.
Our age gives us experience. Our age gives us knowledge.
Not one single person can say “I’m not the problem”.

[Pamelah]

Derek Chauvin had racked up 18 complaints against him. Is this typical? 3 strikes and you’re out? Not with the unions. Same as teacher unions supporting crappy teachers. Angers me

[Pamelah]

Really? Examples please with the party at fault.

[kendi]

With all the destruction in Minneapolis we are looking like a 3rd world country. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Stealing and destroying someone's business is not protesting.

True. Sad thing is that type of mentality has been happening since man has been on the face of the earth. Don’t think it’s going to change now.

[janewk]

You are 200% right. Isn't it too bad not everyone thinks this way. Its so simple!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It's pretty simple.
https://i.imgur.com/7jmDuTX.png

[nn0wheremann]

With all the destruction in Minneapolis we are looking like a 3rd world country. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Stealing and destroying someone's business is not protesting.
If you want law and order, work for justice. The logical contrapositive, if you do not work for justice, you will not have law and order also is true. what the policemen did was not justice. Thus there is an absence of law and order.

[retiredguy123]

The violence and looting remind me of what Barney Fife always said.

If he was still around, he would have told Minneapolis to "nip it in the bud".

[GoodLife]

Really? Examples please with the party at fault.

I'm sure you can take a wild guess

Wayne Isaacs, a New York City police officer who shot and killed Delrawn Small in July 2016, was acquitted in November 2017.

Jason Stockley, a former St. Louis police officer who shot and killed Anthony Lamar Smith in 2011, was acquitted in September 2017.

Betty Shelby, a former Tulsa, Oklahoma, police officer who killed Terence Crutcher in 2016, was acquitted in July 2017.

Ray Tensing, a former University of Cincinnati police officer who killed Samuel DuBose in 2015, was let go after a second mistrial in June 2017.

Dominique Heaggan-Brown, a Milwaukee police officer who killed a fleeing black man in 2016, was acquitted in June 2017.

Jeronimo Yanez, a former St. Anthony, Minnesota, officer who killed Philando Castile in 2016, was acquitted in June 2017.

Baltimore police officers Edward Nero, Caesar Goodson and Brian Rice, who were charged after the in-custody injury and resulting death of Freddie Gray in 2015, were found not guilty in separate bench trials, on charges that ranged from second-degree depraved heart murder to official misconduct in 2016

Howie Lake and Blane Salamoni, the Baton Rouge, Louisiana, police officers involved in the shooting death of Alton Sterling in 2016, did not receive civil rights charges from the Department of Justice.

Brentley Vinson, the Charlotte, North Carolina, police officer who officials said shot and killed Keith Lamont Scott in 2016, was not charged in the man’s death.

Bryan Mason, the Columbus, Ohio, police officer who shot and killed 13-year-old Tyre King in 2016, was not charged in the boy’s death.



Matt Kenny, the Madison, Wisconsin, police officer who shot and killed Tony Robinson in 2015, was not charged.

Darren Wilson, the former Ferguson, Missouri, police officer who shot and killed Mike Brown in 2014, was not charged with the unarmed teen’s death.

Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback, the Cleveland, Ohio, police officers involved in the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice in 2014, were not charged.

Daniel Pantaleo, the New York City police officer who held Eric Garner in a chokehold before his death in 2014, was not charged.

Anthony Carelli, the White Plains, New York, police officer who fatally shot Kenneth Chamberlain Sr. in 2011, was not indicted by a state grand jury. In 2016, a jury in a civil case brought by Chamberlain’s family found the city of White Plains and its police officers were not liable for the man’s death.

[Velvet]

It seems like they were terrorists, White supremisists, Black Lives Matter or people carrying their signs, and foreign agents who were there to incite havoc and take advantage of this pandemic. There were probably some legitimate protesters too.

[Don Ferguson]

The actions of the Al Sharpton hatred industry have destroyed what I believe was the greatest chance for change in decades!

In recent riot inducing actions (Eric Garner, NYC and Michael Brown, MO) their were extenuating circumstances that justified police actions. This case as close to perfect as it gets, if you are looking for racial equality changes. Watch the 8 minutes of multiple videos and two things are unforgettable> (1) Mr. Floyd did nothing to deserve the treatment he got! (2) It is a systemic problem in the Minneapolis Police Department. That is absolutely proven by complete nonchalance of the other three officers observing the horrendous actions by Chauvin without the slightest concern of wrong doing, as they looked right into video devices recording them! In short, changes for the better would have been guaranteed IF the hate industry had stayed out of it. There was simply no argument available to oppose any requested actions.

INSTEAD the discussion is now centered on the disgusting destruction and ruination of innocent lives caused by mobs that simply want to break, burn and steal things!

[fdpaq0580]

It's pretty simple.
https://i.imgur.com/7jmDuTX.png

Pictures say it all.

[RH5037]

10 people arrested all were from out of state

[manaboutown]

George Floyd Autopsy Finds No Evidence of Asphyxia or Strangulation, Family Plans Second Examination (https://www.westernjournal.com/george-floyd-autopsy-finds-no-evidence-asphyxia-strangulation-family-plans-second-examination/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2020-05-30&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR1i1dWmlZ9K24mBrH4Kiw7WMZD3jXQUdo9EFBBkl NqUokmf_DwcKUM5c8g)

[sallybowron]

My son is a physician in Minne. The first home he bought was about 3 blocks from all the commotion. It was not a particularly "bad" area. He now lives about 10 blocks from all the stores that were burnt. He says that he has trouble getting to and from the hospitals at which he works because of all the destruction and the traffic it has caused. I don't understand why this looting etc. situation makes anything any better. Please pray for Chris and all the people who are forced to still go out. Keep them out of danger TY

[manaboutown]

As Dan Cook once said "The opera ain't over until the fat lady sings". Wife of ex-Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin reportedly filing for divorce | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/wife-of-ex-minneapolis-cop-charged-infloyd-death-reportedly-filing-to-end-marriage?fbclid=IwAR2LC8cxrXYrOokYc5xmc64om0cueak9 QQKWDnMIw7vdrLA_fZpdlb7CHYE)

[Maryland Girl]

Apparently, when push came to shove, the curfew was just ignored and the Guard and police disappeared. Thus another night of allowed chaos.

[Maryland Girl]

Pictures say it all.

Yes, they can. And, yes, I would be careful of coming to a conclusion of what really happened during this incident until more information is be released. The Rabbit Hole is deep.

[Alana33]

Here's the Governor of Minnesota press conference yesterday.
It's long but we'll worth viewing.
Minnesota Governor Walz holds press conference over George Floyd death unrest part 3 - CBSN Live Video - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20200529162857-minnesota-governor-walz-holds-press-conference-over-george-floyd-death-unrest-part-3/)

[davem4616]

It starts with a ZERO TOLERANCE for racists/bigots... in law enforcement.

And those willing to stand up, in spite of the 'thin blue line'...and speaking up about it.

Then let's go from there.


I get that there needs to be consequences for bigoted people with racist attitudes....and that needs be a piece of the puzzle...but if that's it, then it's just kicking the damn can down the street once again, the underlying systemic issues need to be addressed...otherwise, nothing ever changes

[Alana33]

Medical Examiner: No Evidence George Floyd Died Of Strangulation; ‘Underlying Conditions,’ ‘Potential Intoxicants’ Likely Factors | The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/medical-examiner-no-evidence-george-floyd-died-of-strangulation-underlying-conditions-potential-intoxicants-a-factor-in-death?%3Futm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fedup)

Pathology of Asphyxial Death: Overview, Epidemiology, Mechanism of Morbidity and Mortality (https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1988699-overview#a1)

Mechanical asphyxiation.

Y'all tell me please why a large man kneeling on your neck cutting off blood and oxygen while telling him that you can't breathe then laying there for 2 minutes dead before your pulse is checked by 2 other officers who can't find one is not the main cause of death

[Dust Bunny]

This is just an excuse to loot stores. I remember Watts, in LA what a mess. Nothing has changed !

[ColdNoMore]

I get that there needs to be consequences for bigoted people with racist attitudes....and that needs be a piece of the puzzle...but if that's it, then it's just kicking the damn can down the street once again, the underlying systemic issues need to be addressed...otherwise, nothing ever changes

Getting rid of bad cops, who are free to exercise their racism/bigotry (because other LEO's are afraid to speak up) and will therefore engender more trust in the police by communities of color...is a BIG first step.

Then we can begin addressing the other..."underlying systemic issues."

Which, if I might ask...what do you think those issues are?

[Stu from NYC]

INSTEAD the discussion is now centered on the disgusting destruction and ruination of innocent lives caused by mobs that simply want to break, burn and steal things!

And whose fault is that? If only law enforcement was able to arrest the looters and vandals.

Nothing wrong with a peaceful protest, what happened here was anything but.

[Alana33]

From the arrest report:

8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said ”want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.

At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene.

[PugMom]

Who is silent? I hear a lot of white people condemning this act.

I just heard a commentator on television say that we need peace, but we also need justice. I hope that we can get justice for all of these business owners that had nothing to do with the actions of this police officer as well.

yeah, i'm with you. i dont know of any person of any color or background who condones this act of murder. someone asked what is 3rd degree? it's willfull misconduct resulting in death. this is what we have here. what's more scary is the fact that all those cops felt comfortable with this method of restraint-not 1 of them looks concerned. why was floyd on the ground? he was fully cuffed & in control. why were they sitting on him? i didnt see a struggle. the ny post had a video of minutes before he was taken down, & in no way did that look violent-he was already cuffed & sitting on the pavement next to the building nearby. ANOTHER irony is that both the cop & floyd used to work together doing security detail. !@%$!! a sickening situation all around, truly disgusting

[rjn5656]

Nothing but a bunch of thugs taking advantage of a bad experience.

[ffresh]

If the police were allowed to do their jobs the looting would not happen. A certain segment of the population as described above have learned that free stuff is their for the taking.

"allowed to do their jobs" is a very broad term, unfortunately. Some might argue that Derek Chauvin, the officer charged with George Floyd's death, was "doing his job". The question of what is an officer's job is often posed and there are often different answers given. This is similar to what is the government's job, or primary responsibility in America; many different answers ensue. In the "old days" it seems there were fewer of these types of incidence, but the police were in a difficult situation, regarding looting and arson - what should the proper response be? Should deadly force be used to protect property, or, only life? Currently (right or wrong), there are a myriad of hi-tech tools at the disposal of most all urban police forces, e.g. pepper bullets, tear gas, rubber bullets, tasers, K-9 dogs, LRAD sound cannons, repellant spray, armored vehicles, riot-control gear, ad nauseum, making this an easier question to answer; lethal force, as a response, can often be avoided. There are really only two choices if the goal is to protect property: sufficient police presence (Natl Guard or LEOs) to maintain a defensive blockade and repellant force - almost impossible under most conditions, due to limited resources. Or, containing looters and arsonists using the above methods/devices. Both of these are dependent upon the orders received from their superiors, however, as to what and when any actions will be taken. If the order to protect property is not given, then the response will be minimal! Mayor Jacob Frey, in the press conference that I viewed was fairly explicit that (paraphrasing) buildings were not so important and lives mattered. This, in spite of all of the non-lethal options available :ohdear:

Having said all of that, inciting the people that we are speaking of with incendiary language should NOT be the goal of a responsible elected official

Mayor Jacob Frey (press conference - national TV):

"Being Black in America should not be a death sentence. For five minutes, we watched a white officer press his knee into a Black man's neck."

Shouldn't a more responsible and less inciteful comment have been:
Getting killed while in police custody should never occur in America and we will ensure that justice will prevail?

Fred :spoken:

[PugMom]

The actions of the Al Sharpton hatred industry have destroyed what I believe was the greatest chance for change in decades!

In recent riot inducing actions (Eric Garner, NYC and Michael Brown, MO) their were extenuating circumstances that justified police actions. This case as close to perfect as it gets, if you are looking for racial equality changes. Watch the 8 minutes of multiple videos and two things are unforgettable> (1) Mr. Floyd did nothing to deserve the treatment he got! (2) It is a systemic problem in the Minneapolis Police Department. That is absolutely proven by complete nonchalance of the other three officers observing the horrendous actions by Chauvin without the slightest concern of wrong doing, as they looked right into video devices recording them! In short, changes for the better would have been guaranteed IF the hate industry had stayed out of it. There was simply no argument available to oppose any requested actions.

INSTEAD the discussion is now centered on the disgusting destruction and ruination of innocent lives caused by mobs that simply want to break, burn and steal things!

nothing in eric gardeners circumstances required restraint that led to death. the dude was selling single cigs out a pack. he didnt run, strike or raise a fist.

[Don Ferguson]

I get that there needs to be consequences for bigoted people with racist attitudes....and that needs be a piece of the puzzle...but if that's it, then it's just kicking the damn can down the street once again, the underlying systemic issues need to be addressed...otherwise, nothing ever changes

I find that comment a sad joke. WHAT ARE THE "UNDERLYING SYSTEMIC ISSUES"? That answer is laughably simple. The issue is a lack of love and respect between the two races! And how do you plan on legislating the answer to that?

The Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton hate corporation could not afford to let this alone. This was one action that even a white supremacist couldn't justify. Good things would have happened for black folks if the riots had not happened to change the focus back against the minority supporters. When good things happen for blacks Jesse?Al et all lose millions in coerced donations.

[Don Ferguson]

nothing in eric gardeners circumstances required restraint that led to death. the dude was selling single cigs out a pack. he didnt run, strike or raise a fist.

Completely untrue. Eric Garner was a giant of a man that verbally, on video, refused to leave, and verbally and physically refused to be arrested. He forced the smaller officers to restrain him!

[MandoMan]

And that’s the news from Lake WoeBeGone, where all the women are rich, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average.

The vast majority of Minnesota is blessedly free of the sorts of people who commit arson, riot, loot, or sell drugs. It’s a beautiful state with lots of lakes and fields and forests and people with blond hair and vaguely Scandinavian accents, like my ancestors.

[Bucco]

I am concerned about tonight. Reading and hearing that our government is circulating a “rumor” that supporters would/should be at the WH to face protestors, while criticizing the mayor of Washington (unfairly according to the secret service).

Should not everyone be in sync to stop rioting and return to peace ?

[Stu from NYC]

I find that comment a sad joke. WHAT ARE THE "UNDERLYING SYSTEMIC ISSUES"? That answer is laughably simple. The issue is a lack of love and respect between the two races! And how do you plan on legislating the answer to that?

The Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton hate corporation could not afford to let this alone. This was one action that even a white supremacist couldn't justify. Good things would have happened for black folks if the riots had not happened to change the focus back against the minority supporters. When good things happen for blacks Jesse?Al et all lose millions in coerced donations.

Jackson and Sharpton are only interested in fostering hatred. Leave out the violent protests and criminality and more people of all races would be joining the protest.

[Don Ferguson]

Jackson and Sharpton are only interested in fostering hatred. Leave out the violent protests and criminality and more people of all races would be joining the protest.

Amen!

[Don Ferguson]

Jackson and Sharpton are only interested in fostering hatred. Leave out the violent protests and criminality and more people of all races would be joining the protest.

Saw a great reaction last night on TV. It was a Black Pastor named Scott. I think his exact words were: "Al Sharpton has NEVER in his entire life, been involved with a problem that he didn't make worse."

[manaboutown]

Saw a great reaction last night on TV. It was a Black Pastor named Scott. I think his exact words were: "Al Sharpton has NEVER in his entire life, been involved with a problem that he didn't make worse."

He plays the race card every chance he gets, even to evade taxes. Why is he "untouchable"?

Al Sharpton gets $1M in pay from his own charity, tax filings show | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/al-sharpton-gets-1m-in-pay-from-his-own-charity)

People Jailed for Owing Less Taxes Than Al Sharpton | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/people-jailed-for-owing-less-taxes-than-al-sharpton)

[manaboutown]

Nothing but a bunch of thugs taking advantage of a bad experience.

Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings to Open a Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down (https://www.theepochtimes.com/black-firefighter-spent-his-life-savings-to-open-a-bar-then-minneapolis-looters-burned-it-down_3370509.html?fbclid=IwAR20NkwAqo8hUxkiZc7G9vV QybWJiMJRWhvwxBYmdQmU4vDDNxgK81og5YY)

[Stu from NYC]

Saw a great reaction last night on TV. It was a Black Pastor named Scott. I think his exact words were: "Al Sharpton has NEVER in his entire life, been involved with a problem that he didn't make worse."

So very true

[Stu from NYC]

He plays the race card every chance he gets, even to evade taxes. Why is he "untouchable"?

Al Sharpton gets $1M in pay from his own charity, tax filings show | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/al-sharpton-gets-1m-in-pay-from-his-own-charity)

People Jailed for Owing Less Taxes Than Al Sharpton | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/people-jailed-for-owing-less-taxes-than-al-sharpton)

One would hope they would immediately indict him for tax evasion, fraud and bad manners.

[fdpaq0580]

This is just an excuse to loot stores. I remember Watts, in LA what a mess. Nothing has changed !

I was living in LA at that time. It was ugly, terrifying and totally counterproductive as far as helping to unify people. The efforts of various groups trying to bridge the gap in understanding and compassion for our fellow man was thwarted. It was replaced with distrust, fear, anger and suspicion. I was in a school with students from all parts of LA and had friends from many backgrounds. After those riots a lot of friends were not friends anymore, they were just someone you used to know. It was incredibly sad.
The only ones who got anything out of it were the hate groups on all sides, pointing fingers at all the others saying, "see, you can't trust anyone." So, so incredibly sad.
Now a man is dead. His life cannot be restored to him. There will be no justice for him. And for the officers in question, it remains to be seen just what will happen, what will be determined. Our efforts, great or small, have been delivered a terrible blow as we continue to try and become a nation and a people truly United. May God help us.

[Ramone]

I lived just south of twin cities for 60 years. Moved here to TV 3 years ago. I kept up with Minn politics since. The Mpls mayors office has been run by one rink a dink after another for over 20 years, opposing police and law and order. That is how they got voted in. Whites like the kid pretending to be mayor now, or the black, and females before him. All anti law and order mayors. Now last year an old liberal school teacher who again does not support law and order voted in as governor. Now, they can't put the genie back in the can. Other police agencies don't want to chip in and help because of this attitude that the perpetrators rights come first.

[mneumann02]

I posted earlier in this thread that until the systemic underlying causes are addressed nothing will change....someone else also called out the need to address the 'root causes'...another individual jumped on that post asking for clarity on what the 'root causes' are.

this is not my area of study, nor profession, but IMHO... here's my shot at what some of the systemic issues just may be:

- these folks live with an absence of hope, folks in these communities have no expectation that their lives will ever change for the better

- education is totally under valued, it is not openly encouraged by parents nor the leaders in the community, yet openly discouraged by peer pressure, as a result there is no real learning...and it has little to do with the condition of the school building, teachers aren't able to teach

- the family unit has broken down

- drugs are rampant and gangs control the streets...the inner city deaths due to gang gun violence is horrific

- living off welfare has become a generational dependency, rather than being the helping hand to get up on your feet that was originally intended

- thugs like Al Sharpton that prop themselves up as leaders are merely in the game to line their own pockets....just like Adam Clayton Powell did for years in NYC

- the British couldn't handle a rioting mob back in Concord...some officer feared for their lives and shots were fired...nothings changed...our police are human beings, emotions are going to flare and things are going to happen that shouldn't

....not a very pretty picture is it....and these are just a few things

It's no wonder that these communities 'explode'...and destroy the very neighborhoods that they live in

each one of the above represent a huge, huge challenge

and what has our society been doing about it?

well, we keep on addressing the symptoms vs. the underlying systemic causes....yeah build a new school, yet do nothing about fostering respect for the teachers and for the value that an education brings by parents, grandparents, community leaders, elected officials...let's put the responsibility where it belongs and where it will do the most good

ya, start a war on drugs....all that does is push it further underground

continue to 'feel good' that we're listening to the likes of an Al Sharpton and giving him a voice (that crook should have been thrown in jail for tax evasion just like Al Capone was)

Bermuda also has a welfare system....it works because it doesn't create a dependency upon it like ours does....In Bermuda if you are unable to live a comfortable lifestyle because the job you have doesn't pay enough, the State will subsidize you so that you can. The only catch is that you have to have a full time job

If we continue to only address the symptoms nothing changes...it's just like "eating an English Breakfast" (it keeps coming back on you)

Hopefully greater minds than mine with the resources will focus on how to address the systemic underlying issues and put all the puzzle pieces together....

Agree with so much of what you said, especially "the family unit has broken down," which is the root cause of so much of the pain so many minorities suffer. And the suffering will continue until we change this. Too many fatherless families cause child discipline problems. Too many young girls, yes girls, having babies with no husband around condemns her to a life of poverty. Too many young people are taught to resist rather than comply- that racism is the root of all their problems when it is not. Lack of education is. If we can fix the family unit, we can fix the high school dropout rate. If we improve one's education, we improve job opportunities. Someone making $75,000/year is probably not rioting nor committing crimes. Here are two programs I never hear about- how about giving single mothers free child support and free tuition to go back to school and then a hard hitting program to better educate young girls that there is such a better life than having babies when you are barely old enough to drive?

[Stu from NYC]

Agree with so much of what you said, especially "the family unit has broken down," which is the root cause of so much of the pain so many minorities suffer. And the suffering will continue until we change this. Too many fatherless families cause child discipline problems. Too many young girls, yes girls, having babies with no husband around condemns her to a life of poverty. Too many young people are taught to resist rather than comply- that racism is the root of all their problems when it is not. Lack of education is. If we can fix the family unit, we can fix the high school dropout rate. If we improve one's education, we improve job opportunities. Someone making $75,000/year is probably not rioting nor committing crimes. Here are two programs I never hear about- how about giving single mothers free child support and free tuition to go back to school and then a hard hitting program to better educate young girls that there is such a better life than having babies when you are barely old enough to drive?

And why is the black leadership not out preaching young people to stay in school and not have babies until married?

Way too many condemn themselves to life of poverty with expectation of being supported by govt.

[bobcat75]

If the officers are guilty lock them up.

When the neighborhood uses this as an excuse to steal and destroy neighborhood business they are nothing but criminals and should be arrested. Why stand back and let the looting happen?

I dont understand why riot. The cop(S) was arrested for stage 3 murder so the people got what they are rioting about, Oh free stuff I agree

[carhirsch]

I live half time in Minneapolis, the other half in The Villages. There are definitely outside agitators here with advanced skills In incitement and destruction.

[oldtimes]

I always wonder about the "outspoken" on any particular "cause" actually. Do they practice what they preach? Oh..... to be a fly on some walls!
Steve

I have wondered the same, so easy to just pontificate but what do they actually do?

Love your new avatar and tag line.

[ffresh]

I was living in LA at that time. It was ugly, terrifying and totally counterproductive as far as helping to unify people. The efforts of various groups trying to bridge the gap in understanding and compassion for our fellow man was thwarted. It was replaced with distrust, fear, anger and suspicion. I was in a school with students from all parts of LA and had friends from many backgrounds. After those riots a lot of friends were not friends anymore, they were just someone you used to know. It was incredibly sad.
The only ones who got anything out of it were the hate groups on all sides, pointing fingers at all the others saying, "see, you can't trust anyone." So, so incredibly sad.
Now a man is dead. His life cannot be restored to him. There will be no justice for him. And for the officers in question, it remains to be seen just what will happen, what will be determined. Our efforts, great or small, have been delivered a terrible blow as we continue to try and become a nation and a people truly United. May God help us.

Unfortunately, but true nonetheless, there are many forces at work in this once-great nation, acting to shred the fabric of our culture, economy and, most importantly, our form of government. Men are being actively pitted against women, blacks (and other races) against whites, "straight" against LGBQT (and other letters), religious against non-believers, repubs against dems, ad infinitum. In order to totally change a country, you must first destroy the cohesive nature of its institutions - this is what we are witnessing and it is being continually "ramped up". Primary to this agenda is destruction of the family and religious beliefs. Divide and conquer is truly "the name of the game" and it's being gamed on all fronts!

Fred

[jimjamuser]

Most are not protesting, just getting their hands on free things and destroying others property.
I saw that one was shot by a shop owner. Need a few more of those to slow them down. 10 people were murdered in Chicago over the weekend and nobody raised an eyebrow, go figure!
Good answer to racial problems. Just shoot someone. Very empathetic.

[Paper1]

I live half time in Minneapolis, the other half in The Villages. There are definitely outside agitators here with advanced skills In incitement and destruction.

The line being promoted now is the looting and rioting is being done by out of state agitators and white supremacists are also involved. I watched a news clip this morning showing shoppers at a Minneapolis store with five flat screen taken out of a burning building and I can very confidently tell you they were not white supremacists although they could have been Canadians.

[Velvet]

The line being promoted now is the looting and rioting is being done by out of state agitators and white supremacists are also involved. I watched a news clip this morning showing shoppers at a Minneapolis store with five flat screen taken out of a burning building and I can very confidently tell you they were not white supremacists although they could have been Canadians.

How did the Canadians get across a closed Border?

[Stu from NYC]

One black man gets murdered by a white cop and blacks burn down a neighborhood and destroy businesses owned by other blacks.

I do not recall another instance of a cop murdering a black man in several years.

This tell me the looters are looting because they can get away with it.

[davem4616]

Getting rid of bad cops, who are free to exercise their racism/bigotry (because other LEO's are afraid to speak up) and will therefore engender more trust in the police by communities of color...is a BIG first step.

Then we can begin addressing the other..."underlying systemic issues."

Which, if I might ask...what do you think those issues are?


if you read my previous post on this thread you'll see what I said I believed some of them to be

[John_W]

I lived just south of twin cities for 60 years. Moved here to TV 3 years ago. I kept up with Minn politics since. The Mpls mayors office has been run by one rink a dink after another for over 20 years, opposing police and law and order. That is how they got voted in. Whites like the kid pretending to be mayor now, or the black, and females before him. All anti law and order mayors. Now last year an old liberal school teacher who again does not support law and order voted in as governor. Now, they can't put the genie back in the can. Other police agencies don't want to chip in and help because of this attitude that the perpetrators rights come first.

Look, the mayor is a sock model!! I heard he even has matching panties!! Remind me to never visit Minneapolis!!

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100540299_2633325950219251_7839190406196625408_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=HXUJu-1zX9QAX9NOZKV&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&oh=166f864d143cba4c36164567a9772027&oe=5EF93D78

[davem4616]

I find that comment a sad joke. WHAT ARE THE "UNDERLYING SYSTEMIC ISSUES"? That answer is laughably simple. The issue is a lack of love and respect between the two races! And how do you plan on legislating the answer to that?

The Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton hate corporation could not afford to let this alone. This was one action that even a white supremacist couldn't justify. Good things would have happened for black folks if the riots had not happened to change the focus back against the minority supporters. When good things happen for blacks Jesse?Al et all lose millions in coerced donations.

if you had read my earlier post on this thread you would have seen what I believe some of the underlying systemic issues are...there is a huge difference between addressing the symptoms caused by an underlying issue and dealing with the underlying systemic issue itself

[davem4616]

Agreed but to stand by and let businesses be destroyed by hoodlums is not helping anything.

Your right Stuart...these people are not demonstrating, they are now committing crimes

[Bay Kid]

Another night is over for all the thieves. City riots. We are a 3rd world country.

[Bucco]

Another night is over for all the thieves. City riots. We are a 3rd world country.

I agree but also disagree.

You feel this terrible situation is a result of one simple thing; one act that sent this turmoil.

On that I disagree. Was predicted, and even called for years ago, with no regard for race alone.

I DO agree that we are no longer the United States of America with "warts" at times, but a beacon for the world.

We are now "the states of America". With very little standing anywhere.

[Bucco]

Suggested reading on this.

This mornings NY Times, which chronicles US intelligence on Russian involvement in stoking unrest in our country using race, ties to white supremacist groups and their efforts to suppress voting.

And at the same time, breaking news is USA has arbitrarily invited Russia back to the G7.

[Stu from NYC]

I agree but also disagree.

You feel this terrible situation is a result of one simple thing; one act that sent this turmoil.

On that I disagree. Was predicted, and even called for years ago, with no regard for race alone.

I DO agree that we are no longer the United States of America with "warts" at times, but a beacon for the world.

We are now "the states of America". With very little standing anywhere.

Perhaps but there are better ways to handle this than by standing back and allowing violent and criminal behavior

[Bucco]

Perhaps but there are better ways to handle this than by standing back and allowing violent and criminal behavior

I do not disagree with you at all

Hoping you will read the post right after that concerning the news this morning. (post 155)

As long as we IGNORE that kind of thing, and look for our old demons, we are playing the game just like they want us to.

As serious and as bad as the looting is, we should look for the cause as we punish those responsible, we need to find out what is the spark and we simply do not seem capable of doing that. We KNOW what it is.....it has been proven over time yet we ignore it.

The Times article I reference is not new news......it is simply ignored news and it is not what is called fake hearings in both the House AND the Senate establish this fact, yet we choose to ignore it and simply go on with our usual demons, which is how we have been "programmed"

Obviously you are in that camp, as reading your new posts on another thread, you find it better to mock and jeer instead of face our problem.

[Get real]

One black man gets murdered by a white cop and blacks burn down a neighborhood and destroy businesses owned by other blacks.

I do not recall another instance of a cop murdering a black man in several years.

This tell me the looters are looting because they can get away with it.

One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. This is just "party time" for anarchists and those stupid enough to follow. This tragedy is just an excuse. I would bet that most never heard of Floyd.

[Bucco]

I suppose I am in the camp of worrying about my country. Not in the camp of always looking for someone else to blame...not how to solve problems. It seems to be always blacks, immigrants or those in the other party that are blamed for everything, and we all know that is incredibly wrong. This country was not built on blaming but solving.

It is clearly in front of us as we continue to ignore it

[John_W]

My wife just had on HLN, and the blonde commentator Susan Hendricks said protests go on in 30 cities. Then they show videos of looting, rioting, burning, when are these networks going to start calling it was it really is? It certainly isn't a protest. Then they always add their commentary, these protests are in retaliation for police brutality that has been going on for years. Really, for years and you know this how?

Susan Hendricks, mindless people on TV.

https://gossipgist.com/uploads/24948/susan-he.png

[Antique lady]

Had law enforcement acted swiftly and detained all of the police officers involved in this latest incident that resulted in the killing of George Floyd, there would not have been the protest and violence and destruction of property we are witnessing. Inaction created an environment of frustration and desperation and provided cover for those determined to hide among the protesters to sow chaos......heart breaking.....

[Bucco]

Had law enforcement acted swiftly and detained all of the police officers involved in this latest incident that resulted in the killing of George Floyd, there would not have been the protest and violence and destruction of property we are witnessing. Inaction created an environment of frustration and desperation and provided cover for those determined to hide among the protesters to sow chaos......heart breaking.....

"He added, “To put it simply, in this space, Russia wants to watch us tear ourselves apart.”

Russia Trying to Stoke U.S. Racial Tensions Before Election, Officials Say - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/politics/russian-interference-race.html)

[Velvet]

Suggested reading on this.

This mornings NY Times, which chronicles US intelligence on Russian involvement in stoking unrest in our country using race, ties to white supremacist groups and their efforts to suppress voting.

And at the same time, breaking news is USA has arbitrarily invited Russia back to the G7.

Are we sure the Chinese are also not involved? It would make sense given the current accusations. They like to work behind the scenes.

[Joe V.]

Had law enforcement acted swiftly and detained all of the police officers involved in this latest incident that resulted in the killing of George Floyd, there would not have been the protest and violence and destruction of property we are witnessing. Inaction created an environment of frustration and desperation and provided cover for those determined to hide among the protesters to sow chaos......heart breaking.....

Rioters are not protestors. Why is this so hard to understand?

[La lamy]

I feel so bad for all this chaos. I really hope the murderer and his police accomplices get their asses put into jail for a long time. Minorities have had such injustice to deal with for so many generations. I hope minorities keep videoing the a..holes and get them to pay the price. When people feel the law and justice doesn't apply to them, crap will happen, big time. We need justice and a fair share of societal rights for all, otherwise anger will continue to lead to chaos and rioting.

[Bucco]

I feel so bad for all this chaos. I really hope the murderer and his police accomplices get their asses put into jail for a long time. Minorities have had such injustice to deal with for so many generations. I hope minorities keep videoing the a..holes and get them to pay the price. When people feel the law and justice doesn't apply to them, crap will happen, big time. We need justice and a fair share of societal rights for all, otherwise anger will continue to lead to chaos and rioting.

You just do not get it. The posters here have identified them ALL, not by name, but certainly by ethnicity and ethics. Well, in some cases by leaders names and some groups, and they know

But not to worry.....while most of this is to divide us, our government is going to bring us together....they are identifying my p party those who they think are not tough enough, and avoiding any mention of anyone else.

Never saw this ploy used to bring a country together but we will see.....everyone decries the senseless looting, but now it appears we are on the verge of identyfying them, inteligence reports be damne

[anothersteve]

Somebody does it.
SET UP! Pile of Bricks Left Outside of Government Building to Encourage Dallas Riots! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Phot8P4Mg7c)

Steve

[GoodLife]

I feel so bad for all this chaos. I really hope the murderer and his police accomplices get their asses put into jail for a long time. Minorities have had such injustice to deal with for so many generations. I hope minorities keep videoing the a..holes and get them to pay the price. When people feel the law and justice doesn't apply to them, crap will happen, big time. We need justice and a fair share of societal rights for all, otherwise anger will continue to lead to chaos and rioting.

Totally dude (or dudette!)

This is why America has more immigrants including millions of minorities every year than any other country.

They just can't wait to get beat up by our police and oppressed by our totally unjust economic system.

[vilger]

Totally dude (or dudette!)

This is why America has more immigrants including millions of minorities every year than any other country.

They just can't wait to get beat up by our police and oppressed by our totally unjust economic system.

Millions of minorities come to America, but very few of them seem to want to live in The Villages. Just curious as to the history or reason for this.

[PugMom]

Completely untrue. Eric Garner was a giant of a man that verbally, on video, refused to leave, and verbally and physically refused to be arrested. He forced the smaller officers to restrain him!

if that were the case, why not taste him? i find your facts are picking & choosing

[manaboutown]

if that were the case, why not taste him? i find your facts are picking & choosing


Want to proof read that again? Barf!

[ColdNoMore]

YES!

One can only hope this catches on, as it is one of the main things that could go toward...fair and equal justice.

In Some Cities, Police Officers Joined Protesters Marching Against Brutality (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/05/31/in-some-cities-police-officers-joined-protesters-marching-against-brutality/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=Gordie%2F&fbclid=IwAR1M2GWUqjeLjC574sT74A1cvnVB7dJgbOC3kuy8V f3xnkexgbyECPgU75s#5a1296d15edb)

As protests sparked by George Floyd’s death entered their chaotic fifth day, social media filled with images and video of police officers using batons, tear gas and rubber bullets to quell crowds⁠—but some squads joined in with Saturday protesters to express their stance against police brutality, and to show solidarity with the anti-racism movement.

“We want to be with y’all, for real. I took my helmet off, laid the batons down. I want to make this a parade, not a protest,” Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson was seen telling protesters in Flint, Michigan, before he joined the assembled crowd to march, eliciting cheers.

Officers in Camden, New Jersey, helped carry a banner reading “Standing in Solidarity,” and seemed to join in with the crowd chanting “no justice, no peace.”

In Santa Cruz, California, Police Chief Andy Mills took a knee with protesters in the pose made famous by Colin Kaepernick, with the department tweeting it was “in memory of George Floyd & bringing attention to police violence against Black people.”

Two Kansas City, Missouri, police officers⁠—one white man, one black man⁠—were photographed holding aloft a sign reading “end police brutality.”

[anothersteve]

YES!

One can only hope this catches on, as it is one of the main things...toward fair and actual justice.

In Some Cities, Police Officers Joined Protesters Marching Against Brutality (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/05/31/in-some-cities-police-officers-joined-protesters-marching-against-brutality/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=Gordie%2F&fbclid=IwAR1M2GWUqjeLjC574sT74A1cvnVB7dJgbOC3kuy8V f3xnkexgbyECPgU75s#5a1296d15edb)

Great! As it should be.....peaceful

Thank God they weren't joining with the looters and rioters.
Steve

[anothersteve]

Just now watching a live news feed from a Target store in Philadelphia. Just a stream of looters going in and out, parking lot half full. My empathy gauge is almost on empty for these so called protesters. CNN is a disgrace justifying the “protests” all day.

ABC preempted all shows last night, with feeds from all the major cities. Wonder what they were .........................
Steve

[Number 10 GI]

Unless there are consequences, police brutality will not stop. As horrific as the action of this officer was, the inaction of the other officers is sickening.

There have been consequences for their actions. One was charged with 3d degree murder, all were fired and the fat lady hasn't finished singing yet on the fate of the other officers. There is a thing called due process.

[anothersteve]

There have been consequences for their actions. One was charged with 3d degree murder, all were fired and the fat lady hasn't finished singing yet on the fate of the other officers. There is a thing called due process.

But.......but......but......can't we hang them now??
Steve

[Number 10 GI]

This is organized. How did these "riots" get started in practically every large city in a couple of days? That takes organization. Do you think its an accident that some of the leaders of these rioters are ready with incendiary devices, and tools the break into the stores and other buildings? What very wealthy individual is actively paying members of Anti-Fa and BLM? I will let you do the necessary research to find that name of the billionaire that has residences all over the world and is most likely living in Katonah, NY at this time.

There definitely is someone behind this rioting and the FBI needs to turn the dogs loose and find out who it is. There have been people killed in these riots and the organizers should be charged with murder.

[anothersteve]

ANTIFA is being designated as a terrorist organization.. that's a start
Steve

[Number 10 GI]

I moved here solely for the golf and unlike so many others, am actually ashamed of the attitudes of so many TV'ers toward minorities...and the lack of diversity here.

Whereas for many others, it is the lack of diversity...that most attracted them to TV

I haven't seen any signs that say minorities are not allowed in TV, there are minority realtors selling the homes here. I've not seen any Klan cross burnings in TV. I haven't seen any villagers with signs at the entrances to TV saying minorities aren't welcome. I've seen minorities living in TV, in fact one of my neighbors is black. I seriously doubt that very many people said "Let move to TV because there aren't any of those pesky dark people living there". How would a prospective villages buyer even know how many minorities lived here? :ohdear:

[dewilson58]

I am actually ashamed of the attitudes of so many TV'ers toward minorities...

Whereas for many others, it is the lack of diversity...that most attracted them to TV


Please show the supporting information for these disgusting statements.

[Number 10 GI]

My wife just had on HLN, and the blonde commentator Susan Hendricks said protests go on in 30 cities. Then they show videos of looting, rioting, burning, when are these networks going to start calling it was it really is? It certainly isn't a protest. Then they always add their commentary, these protests are in retaliation for police brutality that has been going on for years. Really, for years and you know this how?

Susan Hendricks, mindless people on TV.

https://gossipgist.com/uploads/24948/susan-he.png

The media is the greatest threat to our country.

[ColdNoMore]

Please show the supporting information for these disgusting statements.

Besides hearing the snide comments on such from lots of people I've played golf with, all you have to also do is to read the posts....from many people here.

Recognizing that you have to read between the lines and what they never say or support, because most of them are too chicken to just come right out and say...what intelligent people can readily read & understand of them.

You can also identify a lot of them...from their empty protestations of being labeled such.

[anothersteve]

Besides hearing the snide comments on such from lots of people I've played golf with, all you have to also do is to read the posts....from many people here.

Recognizing that you have to read between the lines and what they never say or support, because most of them are too chicken to just come right out and say...what intelligent people can readily read & understand of them.

You can also identify a lot of them...from their empty protestations of being labeled such.


You lost me at "besides"
Ahhhh "reading between the lines". Nice defense. My God!!

And what the hell does this mean?
"You can also identify a lot of them...from their empty protestations of being labeled such."

Steve

[Shbullet]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore View Post

Besides hearing the snide comments on such from lots of people I've played golf with, all you have to also do is to read the posts....from many people here.

Recognizing that you have to read between the lines and what they never say or support, because most of them are too chicken to just come right out and say...what intelligent people can readily read & understand of them.

You can also identify a lot of them...from their empty protestations of being labeled such.



You lost me at "besides"
Ahhhh "reading between the lines". Nice defense. My God!!

And what the hell does this mean?
"You can also identify a lot of them...from their empty protestations of being labeled such."

Steve

I agree Maybe he/she has had one too many?

[Northwoods]

Yeah, me too.

But as so accurately stated in a now deleted post (paraphrasing) - "you who support blacks and their oppression, should shut up and just let how the majority of Villagers feel...only post." :ohdear:

And yet you live here. Because you moved here for the golf. You protest... call out... everyone for their views. In fact, you point to people who you golf with that have negative views. And... yet... you live here. Because you moved here for the golf.

[ColdNoMore]

And yet you live here. Because you moved here for the golf. You protest... call out... everyone for their views. In fact, you point to people who you golf with that have negative views. And... yet... you live here. Because you moved here for the golf.

Thank you (and a bunch of your little, like-minded gang above)...for proving my point. :thumbup:

[anothersteve]

Thank you (and a bunch of your little, like-minded gang above)...for proving my point. :thumbup:

That point being what exactly?
Steve

[jet10s]

I do not disagree with you at all

Hoping you will read the post right after that concerning the news this morning. (post 155)

As long as we IGNORE that kind of thing, and look for our old demons, we are playing the game just like they want us to.

As serious and as bad as the looting is, we should look for the cause as we punish those responsible, we need to find out what is the spark and we simply do not seem capable of doing that. We KNOW what it is.....it has been proven over time yet we ignore it.

The Times article I reference is not new news......it is simply ignored news and it is not what is called fake hearings in both the House AND the Senate establish this fact, yet we choose to ignore it and simply go on with our usual demons, which is how we have been "programmed"

Obviously you are in that camp, as reading your new posts on another thread, you find it better to mock and jeer instead of face our problem.
I watch the animal planet on tv everyday -- and they consistently say -- you can take the animals out of the jungle -- but you cannot take the jungle out of the animals
I feel like I am NOW LIVING IN ANIMAL PLANET -- and that is my real feelings which I am entitled to have -- so no comments from the peanut gallery are necessary

[Get real]

if that were the case, why not taste him? i find your facts are picking & choosing

He was delicious. :pray:

[Get real]

The media is the greatest threat to our country.

Yes. But these "protests", I mean riots, have nothing to do with police brutality. That is simply an excuse to party, steal, and finding a lawyer with no ethical standards to steal money though the courts. .

[Get real]

Had law enforcement acted swiftly and detained all of the police officers involved in this latest incident that resulted in the killing of George Floyd, there would not have been the protest and violence and destruction of property we are witnessing. Inaction created an environment of frustration and desperation and provided cover for those determined to hide among the protesters to sow chaos......heart breaking.....

It is great to see that you have the answer. How do you know it would work? We have laws in this country that don't only apply to the bad guys.

[dewilson58]

people I've played golf with

read between the lines


Yep, that what I thought..........baseless.



Just labeling people without support. Isn't that a part of this issue behind discrimination??........yep.

[Bay Kid]

Protest march at 4pm yesterday in our small town of Kilmarnock, 60 miles from Richmond. Scary for our local farmers and watermen.

Town closed all businesses at 11 am for this. The town has been closed for 2 months because of the virus now shut down for this. So far no damage, but why disrupt a quiet town.

[zonerboy]

Thank you protestors. You have provided a massive test as to whether or not covid prevention measures are effective or not. We can just wait to see if infection rates peak among those involved in the protests and related activities. There was definitely no social distancing and many were not wearing masks.if there is no peak, we should dispense with all the silliness and just unlock completely.

[John_W]

That's funny because "they" have removed several of my posts, which are FAR lacking in politics than many on here. It seems if you are one of the chosen few, then you can post anything you'd like. And if you don't hear from me for a while, it's probably because of this post, LOL Reminds me of the people (mostly conservatives) on television who now have to add a disclaimer "I have NO suicidal tendencies". :icon_wink:

Fred

I had two removed a couple of days ago.

[ColdNoMore]

Never be so Crude to your friends, but you sure don't have a problem for your crude behavior toward the posters or anyone who disagrees with your opinions, which is probably about 95% of the posters. In keeping with honesty on this board, I deem your new screen name should be One Trick Pony

I'm very surprised the moderator hasn't suspended your posting privileges for your complete domination of threads, many could be classified as political threads which are not allowed. Essentially you display a TROLL like behavior which should never be tolerated on these boards. This message board before you arrived centered about discussion of life in The Villages, and I would like to see them return to that.

I am making a formal request to the moderator of this board, that this poster Cold No More be suspended until further notice. If you a need a petition I will start one.

////

[ColdNoMore]

The price one may pay for bringing forth the truth, or standing up for justice and to personal attacks from the bully clique...is still worth it. :thumbup:

[Northwoods]

The price one may pay for bringing forth the truth, or standing up for justice and to personal attacks from the bully clique...is still worth it. :thumbup:

I still want to know... why do you socialize (play golf) with racists?

[Bucco]

I still want to know... why do you socialize (play golf) with racists?

Question is for CNM , so will allow him to respond, but..

Why do you enable hate and racists on this forum. This forum has rules.....but....it appears hate is a stronger motivator.

I always found hating simply took a lot time away from meeting new people and learning.

Depends on what you want, I suppose.

[PugMom]

He was delicious. :pray:sorry, typo. oxo:icon_wink: *taze

[ColdNoMore]

Question is for CNM , so will allow him to respond, but..

Why do you enable hate and racists on this forum. This forum has rules.....but....it appears hate is a stronger motivator.

I always found hating simply took a lot time away from meeting new people and learning.

Depends on what you want, I suppose.

Excellent question of Northwoods Bucco. :thumbup:

But that question needs to be asked of a whole lot more people...than just Northwoods. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

I still want to know... why do you socialize (play golf) with racists?

1. They now know to not express their racist/bigoted comments around me...and I can live with that.

2. I like team golf with 5 or 6 foursomes, playing different games for money and it would be almost impossible around here, to consistently assemble groups that large...without having at least some racists and bigots in it.


Satisfied? :ho:

[Northwoods]

Question is for CNM , so will allow him to respond, but..

Why do you enable hate and racists on this forum. This forum has rules.....but....it appears hate is a stronger motivator.

I always found hating simply took a lot time away from meeting new people and learning.

Depends on what you want, I suppose.

I agree with you. I have friends on both "sides of the aisle." I respect all of them... and their views. Some may not have the same political viewpoint I do, but I respect that they feel differently than I do. They are still my friends. I don't feel any of my friends, regardless of their political viewpoint, are racist.

I had a simple question to CNM... "if you have such a visceral reaction to people you feel are racist, why do you golf with them?"

[B767drvr]

Question is for CNM , so will allow him to respond, but..

Why do you enable hate and racists on this forum. This forum has rules.....but....it appears hate is a stronger motivator.

I always found hating simply took a lot time away from meeting new people and learning.

Depends on what you want, I suppose.

Oh Bucco... you seem confused. CNM is just a poster on this forum, like you and me. He doesn't control who posts. CNM doesn't "enable" who posts.

[B767drvr]

Moderator close this thread, Thanks!

Why the constant desire to close threads, John? Just skip the threads that don't interest you. I honestly don't understand?

[ColdNoMore]

Oh Bucco... you seem confused. CNM is just a poster on this forum, like you and me. He doesn't control who posts. CNM doesn't "enable" who posts.

Go read Bucco's response again...he's talking to Northwoods.

[Northwoods]

1. They now know to not express their racist/bigoted comments around me...and I can live with that.

2. I like team golf with 5 or 6 foursomes, playing different games for money and it would be almost impossible around here, to consistently assemble groups that large...without having at least some racists and bigots in it.


Satisfied? :ho:

Yes. Satisfied.
First of all... I give you TOTAL credit for being honest.
So what you are saying is "I know I play golf with racist people but as long as they don't verbalize their racist comments around me, I'm fine."
And "it would be almost impossible around here, to consistently assemble golf groups..without having at least some racists and bigots in it."
You chastise people for being complacent. You stand up for injustice!!! Yet you socialize with these people. Because as long as they don't verbalize their viewpoints, I'm fine. Because I really really like to golf.

[B767drvr]

I find threads like these are devisive, uninformative, do not relate to The Villages and create an atmosphere of hate. We should be discussing life in The Villages, the way the Boards use to be run before CNM decided to crap on these boards.


John, I respect your point of view as I do others, whether I agree with them or not. This is a message/discussion board and you will discover many different points of view. You may even be persuaded to change your view on a subject.

I abhor censorship, as you are encouraging, for the unsaid message is the reader is not intelligent enough to decipher the truth.

[John_W]

John, I respect your point of view as I do others, whether I agree with them or not. This is a message/discussion board and you will discover many different points of view. You may even be persuaded to change your view on a subject.

I abhor censorship, as you are encouraging, for the unsaid message is the reader is not intelligent enough to decipher the truth.

This board has always had a rule, with the previous owners and with the current operators that political posts are not allowed. When enough posters requested a political category, it was granted, but it became a hate filled ocean of crap and those boards were closed.

The problem, I'm starting to see that happen to our regular and decent forums. I think the moderator should not allow threads that pertain these riots, and I'm afraid they are allowing them because it increases traffic count which increases advertising dollars. That' why things keep rolling along. Why don't they let them reinstate those boards and all the CNM posts can moved over there - Out of Sight Out of Mind!!

[ColdNoMore]

Yes. Satisfied.
First of all... I give you TOTAL credit for being honest. Thank you.

So what you are saying is "I know I play golf with racist people but as long as they don't verbalize their racist comments around me, I'm fine." Yep.

And "it would be almost impossible around here, to consistently assemble golf groups..without having at least some racists and bigots in it." Yep again.

You chastise people for being complacent. You stand up for injustice!!! Yep...every chance I get. BUT, if people don't espouse their racism/bigotry...there's nothing to stand up for.

Yet you socialize with these people. Nope, I don't "socialize" with them, or even eat lunch (in the old days) with them. I just play golf, collect any money I might have won...then leave. And now that we get to all use our own carts and can't sit down for lunch...it's even that much nicer. :thumbup:

Because as long as they don't verbalize their viewpoints, I'm fine. Because I really really like to golf. Yep...you got it.

:ho:

[B767drvr]

This board has always had a rule, with the previous owners and with the current operators that political posts are not allowed. When enough posters requested a political category, it was granted, but it became a hate filled ocean of crap and those boards were closed.

The problem, I'm starting to see that happen to our regular and decent forums. I think the moderator should not allow threads that pertain these riots, and I'm afraid they are allowing them because it increases traffic count which increases advertising dollars. That' why things keep rolling along. Why don't they let them reinstate those boards and all the CNM posts can moved over there - Out of Sight Out of Mind!!

John you seem like a genuinely nice guy and I appreciate your posts. However, I politely encourage you to simply skip threads you don't enjoy or agree with and allow others to view disparate points of view and make up their own minds. Peace.

[Bay Kid]

Another night of protest in Richmond VA. Do these protesters ever work?

[billethkid]

This board has always had a rule, with the previous owners and with the current operators that political posts are not allowed. When enough posters requested a political category, it was granted, but it became a hate filled ocean of crap and those boards were closed.

The problem, I'm starting to see that happen to our regular and decent forums. I think the moderator should not allow threads that pertain these riots, and I'm afraid they are allowing them because it increases traffic count which increases advertising dollars. That' why things keep rolling along. Why don't they let them reinstate those boards and all the CNM posts can moved over there - Out of Sight Out of Mind!!

Please keep in mind the political forum was poisoned by a very few that led to the closing.

And on the regular forum here currently, I agree there is more and more negative commentary......but again by only a few.

As I have said numerous times, the negative naysayers are too easy to ignore.
And they most certainly do not deserve acknowledgement by some of the majority leaving. Make use of the ignore feature and enjoy the TOTV forum.

[Bucco]

Please keep in mind the political forum was poisoned by a very few that led to the closing.

And on the regular forum here currently, I agree there is more and more negative commentary......but again by only a few.

As I have said numerous times, the negative naysayers are too easy to ignore.
And they most certainly do not deserve acknowledgement by some of the majority leaving. Make use of the ignore feature and enjoy the TOTV forum.

Surprise....I totally agree.

While that is important, the rule on attacking other posters is violated over and over, yet no complaints.

I suppose some of the references to dark skinned Americans on this forum the last few days are okay also., using phrases and terms that are objectionable in every way.

I could go on but you get the point......plus, the issue that brings this objectionable phrases is very P

[Bucco]

Please keep in mind the political forum was poisoned by a very few that led to the closing.

And on the regular forum here currently, I agree there is more and more negative commentary......but again by only a few.

As I have said numerous times, the negative naysayers are too easy to ignore.
And they most certainly do not deserve acknowledgement by some of the majority leaving. Make use of the ignore feature and enjoy the TOTV forum.

What YOU refer to as "negative naysayers" is an opinion different than yours.

[collie1228]

Are the moderators of this forum on vacation or otherwise occupied? I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed due to the political nature of it, plus the personal attacks that never used to be allowed. Geesh.

[John_W]

Are the moderators of this forum on vacation or otherwise occupied? I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed due to the political nature of it, plus the personal attacks that never used to be allowed. Geesh.

I figured it out, advertising dollars are controlled by traffic count. They're sitting back counting their money. So when a couple of libs post their negative comments, of course a community of seniors, veterans, retired police, and just plain honest hardworking citizens respond, the count goes up. There is no other reason to allow this trash to continue on our boards. What they may soon learn is most of the good people will stay away and their traffic will be going WAY down!!!!!!!!!

[Bay Kid]

Still protesting in Richmond Va last night 6-2. Is this just going to be the new normal?

[amexsbow]

There are also white supremacists involved doing it on purpose to ensure that the black community gets blamed for it.



You don't p*s* people off, and then hand them a lit match. But that's exactly what is happening now.

I have heard the trope "white supremacists" where is the proof? Using that as an excuse does not exonerate the acts committed by the protesters.

Who is handing them a lit match? Because someone is "p.o." is not a legal defense for a criminal act.

Typical left wing talking points.

[ColdNoMore]

I have heard the trope "white supremacists" where is the proof? Using that as an excuse does not exonerate the acts committed by the protesters.

Who is handing them a lit match? Because someone is "p.o." is not a legal defense for a criminal act.

Typical left wing talking points.

Typical right-wing deflection and lying.

Here's your proof. ;)

Twitter says fake "Antifa" account was run by white supremacists - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-fake-antifa-acount-white-supremacists-removal/)

Twitter has shut down multiple accounts that it says were operated by a white supremacist group posing as liberal groups encouraging violence.

Twitter said the white supremacist group Identity Evropa used one fake account, @Antifa_US, to call for violence in majority white suburbs, in the name of the Black Lives Matter movement. The account's removal was first reported by NBC News.

"This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts. We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules" the company said.


And NO, there aren't ANY reasons to justify violence & looting...during what should be peaceful protests. :ho:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I have heard the trope "white supremacists" where is the proof? Using that as an excuse does not exonerate the acts committed by the protesters.

Who is handing them a lit match? Because someone is "p.o." is not a legal defense for a criminal act.

Typical left wing talking points.

Many of the actual protests are intended to be peaceful. However in some of these protests, white supremacists show up and start trouble ON PURPOSE and actually are setting fires. Literal fires. As in - burning down buildings. And then ducking away so it appears that it's the local black citizenship who are causing it.

SOME of this destruction is being done by black folks. But SOME of it is not - and is being done on purpose to create chaos and cast blame on people who weren't responsible for it at all.

Like the twitter account that was shut down (see that post somewhere above mine with the link to the CBS article). The account was spewing hatred and pretending to be Antifa but it was, in fact, white nationalists behind the account. Doing it on purpose. Making it look as though anti-fascists are the cause of it. When they had nothing to do with it at all.

That is what is going on all over the country. There's a lot being pointed at anti-fascists, as though they're some kind of organized military group. Which - they not only aren't, but they are actually against. That's the whole point of their existence. They are AGAINST organized authority. That's what Antifa means. Anti...Fascist.

It's basically what MOST Americans already are, by default. Unless you embrace fascism - you are either against it, or you don't care if this country becomes a dictatorship.

[mtdjed]

Some of the destruction wasn't hoodlums. It was organized, partly by outsiders with inside connections. Such as the "auto zone umbrella man" with the gas mask - his identity hasn't been confirmed (though some OTHER organized outsiders are intentionally creating suspicion about one particular person), but he was not recognized by people in the area.

There are also accusations that it is the black community exclusively involved in the looting and destruction. It isn't. There are absolutely confirmed Antifa folks - who were asked BY the black community to stay out of it, and they refused to stay out of it.

There are also white supremacists involved doing it on purpose to ensure that the black community gets blamed for it.

And yes there are also folks in the black community doing this.

You attack a segment of the population, then encourage that segment to fight back and even HELP them be violent - and you're going to end up with violence. No matter who is the segment being attacked.

Kent State, the destruction of Black Wall Street, the rioting in Charlotte, NC, the lynchings in Alabama - all spurred by people who encouraged other people to lash out against their enemy, whether real or merely perceived. The ones who goaded the rioters and looters to riot and loot - the ones who KNEW that a group of people were angry and upset and on the edge - and then tipped them over the edge on purpose into violence.

THOSE are the people who have started all the looting and destruction in Minneapolis.

You don't p*s* people off, and then hand them a lit match. But that's exactly what is happening now.

And your position supports all of this continuing non peaceful protesting. Why are they protesting? You want Justice ? Justice is happening. What else do you want? Miracles or more crime that you are promoting.

[Villagerjjm]

I would like to know how Al Sharpton is helping.

Why?

[Villagerjjm]

Another night of protest in Richmond VA. Do these protesters ever work?

I know that it is easy to live in a bubble that blocks the outside world in this piece of Paradise called The Villages, but just in case you can't see beyond The Daily Sun, unemployment right now is the highest it has been since the Great Depression. I think it would be a good guess that a lot of the people that are protesting are unemployed by no fault of their own.

[Bay Kid]

Still doing their protest thing in Richmond VA 6-3. Governor and mayor don't seem to care, the mayor even joined in the party. Also in VA protesters BUSED into a small, out of the way, town yesterday, Mathews County. All businesses told to close. To what end. This is planned against working people.

Something fishy is going on in VA.

[Bay Kid]

Still partying in Richmond Va., I mean protesting. Now, after painting really bad things I won't repeat, on Gen. Lee's statue the king is having all historical statues removed as soon as possible. So destroy and rewrite history.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Here is a question I've never seen asked. Is every time a black person assaulted, attacked or killed by a white person, a case or racism?

It seems to me that in the case of George Floyd and most of the other times things like this have happened it is immediately assumed to be a case of racism.

Do people assault, attack or kill people of the opposite race for any other reasons?

[Bucco]

Here is a question I've never seen asked. Is every time a black person assaulted, attacked or killed by a white person, a case or racism?

It seems to me that in the case of George Floyd and most of the other times things like this have happened it is immediately assumed to be a case of racism.

Do people assault, attack or kill people of the opposite race for any other reasons?

Black kills black, white kills black, black kills white and whites kill whites every day.

Again, the issue is a segment (blacks) of the population grows up, is formed emotionally by fear of another segment (white) and especially the part of that group that has total authority over them.

They don't get up one morning and decide to hate someone. That kind of thing builds so that any preposterous act can release all the frustration either of an entire life or years. Lashing out is what happens and reacting as if they did not grow up with the emotional "threat" hanging over them would be not normal.

I think nobody endorses these acts, especially the looting I suppose changing the subject is an option.

If you believe that all whites hate backs or all blacks Harte whites, I think you are mistaken. We are a product of our emotional growth and influences.

[Bay Kid]

Still protesting in Richmond VA last night. Destruction again.

Seems protesting to be the only thing the mayor and governor allow for us to do if we want to be in groups of 10 or more.

[Stu from NYC]

Still protesting in Richmond VA last night. Destruction again.

Seems protesting to be the only thing the mayor and governor allow for us to do if we want to be in groups of 10 or more.

Peaceful protests are fine and constructive, destruction and violence sets everything back.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

that is the funniest thing i heard all day.
i agree!!!!

[billethkid]

Not intended for peaceful demonstrators.

Where are the water cannons of the past?
A few of those would slow down or stop the rioters.

I know....how dare anybody suggest stopping the rioters and looters!!!

[Bay Kid]

Another protest/destroy day in Richmond VA. Groundhog day VA. It is Monday, maybe they will go to work?

[camaguey48]

Peaceful. That's the key word. Mr. Floyd, who was not a model citizen himself, was under control and was not a threat. Still, he was a human being. This Chauvin guy and his three spineless cohorts need to be thrown in prison for a long, long time.

[ColdNoMore]

Peaceful. That's the key word. Mr. Floyd, who was not a model citizen himself, was under control and was not a threat. Still, he was a human being. This Chauvin guy and his three spineless cohorts need to be thrown in prison for a long, long time.

:agree:...100%

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Still partying in Richmond Va., I mean protesting. Now, after painting really bad things I won't repeat, on Gen. Lee's statue the king is having all historical statues removed as soon as possible. So destroy and rewrite history.

It's not being destroyed and rewritten. It's being cleaned and moved to a more appropriate place. They haven't decided the place yet. Most suggestions involve museums. They provide historical content and context to our country and should be preserved, so future generations can understand how our country ended up being what it is, and why. But statues that honor people who led troops to kill other troops in order to preserve the slave culture don't belong in places where descendants of those slaves have to pass by, or see every time they leave their homes. And responsible, civilized people whose ancestors owned slaves, don't need to be reminded constantly of the shameful past of their families.

These things SHOULD be preserved. And they SHOULD be made available to anyone who WANTS to see them and learn about them. That's a museum. Not a the middle of a public park.

[ColdNoMore]

It's not being destroyed and rewritten. It's being cleaned and moved to a more appropriate place. They haven't decided the place yet. Most suggestions involve museums. They provide historical content and context to our country and should be preserved, so future generations can understand how our country ended up being what it is, and why. But statues that honor people who led troops to kill other troops in order to preserve the slave culture don't belong in places where descendants of those slaves have to pass by, or see every time they leave their homes. And responsible, civilized people whose ancestors owned slaves, don't need to be reminded constantly of the shameful past of their families.

These things SHOULD be preserved. And they SHOULD be made available to anyone who WANTS to see them and learn about them. That's a museum. Not a the middle of a public park.:thumbup:

Traitors, who wanted to destroy and divide this UNITED States of America and continue the ownership of other human beings, should NEVER be allowed to be in public places...to be worshipped/admired.

[Bay Kid]

The Bible says not to worship idols. I wish they would move the 100+ year old statues. Then the protesters can just destroy other things they are told not to like. Let them burn the city, again.

Now Richmond VA would like to defund police funds and take that money to hire people to go the poor neighborhoods to teach them how to act. Good luck with that.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Here is a question I've never seen asked. Is every time a black person assaulted, attacked or killed by a white person, a case or racism?

It seems to me that in the case of George Floyd and most of the other times things like this have happened it is immediately assumed to be a case of racism.

Do people assault, attack or kill people of the opposite race for any other reasons?

I would look at this from a different perspective (ask different questions) to answer the question you ask.

Look at all the arrests on violent criminals in total. Now eliminate the ones that are black cops against white criminals, and black cops against black criminals, and white or black against "other" (asians, latinos, philipino, etc). Narrow it down to ONLY white cops against white violent criminals, and white cops against black violent criminals.

Now look at the method of apprehending the criminal for each. Serial killers, murderers, known rapists, people in the act of committing armed robbery with injuries already reported.

Now look at the white violent criminals in THOSE very specific isolated situations who were shot dead on sight by the white police.

Now look at the black violent criminals in the SAME very specific situations who were shot dead on sight by the white police.

Compare the two. You'll have your answer.

[600th Photo Sq]

The price one may pay for bringing forth the truth, or standing up for justice and to personal attacks from the bully clique...is still worth it. :thumbup:

I have yet to see you being the least bit concerned about the safety of the police.

Not so much as a Peep.

The strategic placing of large containers of Bricks, Rocks, Plastic Bottles filled with Cement, and the latest Ice Cream Containers filled with Cement Disguised as " Ice Cream ".

Many have been seriously injured and have died.

So Madam what say you?

[ColdNoMore]

I have yet to see you being the least bit concerned about the safety of the police.

Not so much as a Peep.

The strategic placing of large containers of Bricks, Rocks, Plastic Bottles filled with Cement, and the latest Ice Cream Containers filled with Cement Disguised as " Ice Cream ".

Many have been seriously injured and have died.

So Madam what say you?

I say that you haven't even bothered to look. :oops:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1779471-post66.html

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1778446-post161.html

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1777440-post24.html

"And by the way, I fully condemn every single one of these violent acts...toward law enforcement officers."
And if you go back further than the last link, you'll see where I've said the same thing... over and over...

[Stu from NYC]

I have yet to see you being the least bit concerned about the safety of the police.

Not so much as a Peep.

The strategic placing of large containers of Bricks, Rocks, Plastic Bottles filled with Cement, and the latest Ice Cream Containers filled with Cement Disguised as " Ice Cream ".

Many have been seriously injured and have died.

So Madam what say you?

well said

[BobnBev]

These type events make living in TV so much nicer and probably helps many to decide to move here. I know I couldn't wait to leave the Baltimore area, I still like the sports teams and maybe visit, although it's been since 2013 since my last visit.

I lived in a probably one of the best suburbs in Baltimore, it was Bel Air, and in 2016 two cops were ambushed and killed inside a Panera's next to Wegmans a 1/2 mile from my old house.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/armed-suspect-in-panera-shoots-two-maryland-officers/2016/02/10/75bb1648-d027-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html

I usually try to avoid seeing or reading about these events, there's really nothing we can do about it. I even hate when I see someone start a thread like "Forget About Getting Fired", what good did that do, other than rile up a few people who live 1500 miles away. I wish those threads were never allowed. It's always the same posters, they stay quiet until something bad happens in the country and they quick to jump on the topic and post their views like they're know-it-alls. I wish that thread was closed right now,

John, my wife is from Bel Air. It sure has changed after we got married. She lived right across from the fire house on Churchville Rd. Her old house is long gone, and is now a bank.

[John_W]

John, my wife is from Bel Air. It sure has changed after we got married. She lived right across from the fire house on Churchville Rd. Her old house is long gone, and is now a bank.

Churchville, Forrest Hill and Fallston have all really changed. We lived in Abingdon in Constant Friendship for the last 13 years until we moved here in 2011. If you're west bound on 24 leaving I-95, we're the houses immediately next to the 24 on the right. In fact, there is no longer a red light at the intersection of 24 and 924, if you're going straight to Bel Air there is an overpass now. If you turn right onto 924, at the first light where they built a WaWa around 2003, they built a Wegmans Grocery Store, just like in Hunt Valley. In fact the manager bought our house, they opened the store the month after we moved. When we left, they said 100,000 people lived within 5 miles of Harford Mall.

The Wegmans was about 300 yards from my house.

https://www.ggcommercial.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Wegmans.jpg

They built a Super Walmart on Rt 1 in Fallston

https://patch.com/img/cdn/users/938608/2013/06/raw/471ee7993ab0fe4704ef561f1b6394fc.jpg?width=705

[Bay Kid]

Still protesting/destroying/robbing going on in Richmond Va last night. This is a everyday/night thing. Decided the Christopher Columbus statue bothered someone so they destroyed it last night. Then they moved on to do some late night shopping/stealing.

Do these people ever work?

[ColdNoMore]

Columbus (sail here) (http://www.history.com/news/columbus-day-controversy)


Why Columbus Day Courts Controversy
Christopher Columbus undoubtedly changed the world. But was it for the better?

Over 500 year after he "discovered" the New World—kicking off centuries of exploration and colonization of the Americas—Christopher Columbus is still honored with a federal holiday on the second Monday of every October. As historians have continued to dig into the life of Christopher Columbus, controversy has arisen over continuing to honor the Italian explorer as a hero.

On his first day in the New World, he ordered six of the natives to be seized, writing in his journal that he believed they would be good servants. Throughout his years in the New World, Columbus enacted policies of forced labor in which natives were put to work for the sake of profits. Later, Columbus sent thousands of peaceful Taino “Indians” from the island of Hispaniola to Spain to be sold. Many died en route.

Columbus ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed; in an attempt to deter further rebellion, Columbus ordered their dismembered bodies to be paraded through the streets.

Beginning in 1991, dozens of cities and a few states have adopted Indigenous Peoples’ Day, a holiday that celebrates the history and contributions of Native Americans—rather than Columbus.

[ffresh]

Another protest/destroy day in Richmond VA. Groundhog day VA. It is Monday, maybe they will go to work?

All joking aside, they are at work … and BEING PAID!

Fred

[ffresh]

The Bible says not to worship idols. I wish they would move the 100+ year old statues. Then the protesters can just destroy other things they are told not to like. Let them burn the city, again.

Now Richmond VA would like to defund police funds and take that money to hire people to go the poor neighborhoods to teach them how to act. Good luck with that.

They've already been taught how to act … therein lies the problem :ohdear:

Fred

[Stu from NYC]

Still protesting/destroying/robbing going on in Richmond Va last night. This is a everyday/night thing. Decided the Christopher Columbus statue bothered someone so they destroyed it last night. Then they moved on to do some late night shopping/stealing.

Do these people ever work?

Wonder if they even knew who Columbus was?

[billethkid]

At some point some will realize the past/people/events cannot be measured by today's standards.

Totally ridiculous concept to try remove or change a nation's history. It is what it was as measured by that date in time.