Candace Owens: I DO NOT support George Floyd as a martyr! & Here's Why!

[B767drvr]

Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74)

[billethkid]

When one has courage of conviction it is easy to speak ones opinions, feelings or beliefs.

I am sure she will not try to take it back after she gets feedback, especially from her peers....

The silent majority rears it's head every now and then!!

[anothersteve]

Good find, Thanks.

:popcorn::popcorn:

Steve

[B767drvr]

When one has courage of conviction it is easy to speak ones opinions, feelings or beliefs.

I am sure she will not try to take it back after she gets feedback, especially from her peers....

The silent majority rears it's head every now and then!!

She sure doesn't hold anything back! I appreciate her passion and her solid reasoning for her positions. I just can't get over my belief she'd have death threats if she were white and expressed her opinion so passionately. :ohdear:

[anothersteve]

Am I reading it correctly...
2.8 million views in one day?
Steve

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

[Dan9871]

Am I reading it correctly...
2.8 million views in one day?
Steve

2.8 million view since June 4th. She has 2.3 million followers on Twitter.

[anothersteve]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

18 minutes and that's all you took in?
Steve

[anothersteve]

Guess you missed the warning.......shown on every page.

That seems to be an easy out lately for a few posters, and an excuse to tell others
"don't go there"
Steve

[Doro22]

She has courage! I respect her!

[mtdjed]

I stumbled onto that Video and had no idea who Candace Owens was. There was so much in that video that is worth considering. A very logical review of the situation.

I see her statement as very logical as opposed to those that simply decide that protestors and looters have a right to their behavior.

[zonerboy]

Candice Owens is a frequent political commentator on Face Book, particularly representing Prager University. She is a rarity these days.....a well spoken conservative black person.

[anothersteve]

I agree but you lost a few at
"a well spoken conservative black person."
(doesn't fit the "agenda" ya know)

Steve

[graciegirl]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

According to the 911 call he appeared drunk.

George Floyd: Minneapolis police release 911 call that led to arrest - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-911-calls/index.html)

[manaboutown]

Look at the video where the police walked Floyd away from the wall.. While walking he staggered like the stoned druggie he was.

[Love2Swim]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

[jacksonbrown]

"She is way, way to the right of mainstream America"

Baloney, she is mainstream America, just not Main Stream Media, which continues to ignore her comments.

[Chloe Girl]

Oh my gosh, my brother and I played the game of Cootie all the time when we were kids. Thanks for the memories!!!

[Tom2172]

Candace brings out more information in 5 min video then media has in 10 days.
Why? Candace thinks for her self, something most of us are no longer allowed to due. Drew Learned that

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

18 minutes and that's all you took in?
Steve

As soon as I saw she was basing her opinion on something that wasn't true, I stopped the video. There's no need to continue watching it at that point.

[GOLFER54]

I listened to every word she had to say and she is 100% correct in her opinions and factual information about the black communities and George Floyd.

[Jewelz]

She has some great points- I really like her!

[GOLFER54]

You got to be kidding me, the fact that he carried these illegal substances on him you believe that he wasn’t high at the time. The coroner’s reports affirmed that he had fentanyl and other drugs in his system.I presume if I had a stolen Tv on me, you’d think I was just returning it to the store I stole it from.

[Pamelah]

I don’t get it. I thought people were protesting because of how he died. Yes he is a martyr because he was black and murdered by a cop. His history is irrelevant. She’s the nut case.

[jacksonbrown]

As soon as I saw she was basing her opinion on something that wasn't true, I stopped the video. There's no need to continue watching it at that point.

And that is just what is wrong with the post baby boomer generations.

When reading an article, or listening to a speaker, once they sense "anything" that doesn't jive with their opinions then they reject the entire hypothesis.

That's termed "narrow-mindedness".

[GOLFER54]

Sure block out the truth !!!

[ColdNoMore]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

Absolutely nailed it! :thumbup:

[Luvs21putt]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

I guess you didn’t try to hear her message. She made the point that he was taking drugs. Whether or not he was high is irrelevant.

Stop hearing only what you want to hear and rejecting everything else out of hand. Seek the actual truth. Your news channel has taught you how to only hear one narrative instead of listening to both sides and THEN deciding.

Listen to it again and tell us what she says that isn’t true that is actually relevant.

[ColdNoMore]

I don’t get it. I thought people were protesting because of how he died. Yes he is a martyr because he was black and murdered by a cop. His history is irrelevant. She’s the nut case.

They are simply using their standard operating procedure...in trying to blame the victim. :oops:

Analogous to blaming the victim for sexual harassment, rape and abuse...because of the way they dressed or that they were drinking.

Simply disgusting. :mad:

[GoodLife]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

From the Medical Examiner's report

Other significant conditions: Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use

You do understand what intoxication means don't you? Somebody is lying and it isn't Candace Owens.

[Eg_cruz]

Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74)
A white person shouldn’t speak them...not our words to say. Candice is a great speaker been listening to her for a while.

[Lindsyburnsy]

She has been known for cozying up with Inforwars, which we all know is full of facts; ie; pizza gate.

[kenoc7]

18 minutes and that's all you took in?
Steve

"Candace Amber Owens Farmer is an American conservative commentator and political activist. She is known for her pro-Trump activism that began around 2016 after being initially very critical of Trump and the Republican Party, and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party." Wikipedia

This says it all.

[Arl]

She is very smart and does her homework before speaking. And yes she’s to the point and really doesn’t care what anyone thinks of her. She speaks the truth. Sorry you don’t like her but sometimes the truth hurts.

[nhtexasrn]

I've been following Candace Owens for quite some time. She is an amazing and uplifting person who tells it like it is. People will be seeing a lot more of her in the future.

[WesMan]

She speaks the truth!!!!

[drgoofy]

Being high/intoxicated or passing counterfeit $ doesn't carry a death sentence...at least last time I checked. Even if so, it would need to be arrived at via a judge and jury...not some renegade cops.

[merrymini]

Candace Owens is smart, beautiful, courageous and honest. Something we do not see much today, from anyone.

[jbrown132]

Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74)

Don’t think I’v ever heard it said better

[Swoop]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

Nice, continue to try to perpetuate a lie and have an equally uninformed poster (Nailed it - CNM) agree. Here is a clip of congressman Ted Lieu trying to make that same assertion and Candace’s reply. Rep. Ted Lieu plays recording of Candace Owens statement on Adolf Hitler (C-SPAN) - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a-poqjet5mY)

[La lamy]

Being high/intoxicated or passing counterfeit $ doesn't carry a death sentence...at least last time I checked. Even if so, it would need to be arrived at via a judge and jury...not some renegade cops.

My thoughts exactly. The protests are about lack of CIVIL justice for a lot of minorities.

[billethkid]

Being high/intoxicated or passing counterfeit $ doesn't carry a death sentence...at least last time I checked. Even if so, it would need to be arrived at via a judge and jury...not some renegade cops.

The post implies death was the intent.
Death happened to end up the result but not the intent.

[bilcon]

A very intelligent, well spoken women who should be listen to by everyone, but she will be attacked instead of admired. Watch the entire Video.

[Chatbrat]

What the real shame is no one bothers to look at the real stats in the big cities, all you have to do is look up" Hey Jackass Chicago," and then ask yourself why is there only protests when they involve police for political purposes--hundreds of blacks get murdered by other blacks and no gives a damn

[Steve Eddy]

Larry Elder is another person that is worth listening to.

[dewilson58]

Thanks for sharing the clip.


Not easy situation, media is not helping any cause.

[oneclickplus]

I don’t get it. I thought people were protesting because of how he died. Yes he is a martyr because he was black and murdered by a cop. His history is irrelevant. She’s the nut case.

Fentanyl and Meth in his blood stream at the time of his arrest is not "history". It was an immediate factor in his behavior and the officer's response to same.

[IWalkDogs]

Prayers for Candace, Kanye (love my 'JESUS IS KING'), and Dr Ben Carson, etc ... I did not know they were called names in their communities for making Their Lives Matter and that makes me sad with empathy for their struggle in life. I pray them love and appreciation of their lives in days ahead.
I am glad she posted what she calls 'her rant', it took courage and I admire that... Also, I learned a lot from her investigative journalism and her opinion and perspective of the facts.
Neither George Floyd nor Policeman David Dorn should have been WRONGLY murdered. I hope/PRAY both families get justice though our system.
I personally cannot see how doing ugliness toward another, rioting, breaking, entering, stealing, ruining Cities is a means to anything other than me reacting saying, Well, That is clearly WRONG to do.
Two WRONGS.....

[Saluce]

You seemed to have missed her point!! It wasn’t just about his death or how he died!! 🙄

[anothersteve]

Nice, continue to try to perpetuate a lie and have an equally uninformed poster (Nailed it - CNM) agree. Here is a clip of congressman Ted Lieu trying to make that same assertion and Candace’s reply. Rep. Ted Lieu plays recording of Candace Owens statement on Adolf Hitler (C-SPAN) - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a-poqjet5mY)

Thank you.

Steve

[Guitarman1951]

Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74)
I watched that video of this very articulate and intelligent black lady who did her homework. I only wish the mainstream news would report on Floyd's criminal background, especially the home invasion where threatened a pregnant woman with a gun in her stomach. Might take some shine off his glorification for sure. Amazing how these hardened criminals suddenly become upstanding citizens when this sort of thing happens.

[erenee]

She is what our country needs right now. I hope she continues, it would be wonderful to think that she just might become our next Martin Luther King

[HelenLCSW]

She missed the point when she talked about black culture demanding justice for criminals. That may be true in some instances, but the whole point here is that George Floyd was not a criminal and that not only are black people more likely to be falsely suspected, but that black people, innocent or guilty, are inhumanely treated.

[kimgarwel12@gmail.com]

I listened to this video and thought her message was powerful. I didn't take away from it that the main point is George Floyd was high or intoxicated. No, he didn't deserve to die like he did.....or die at all, for that matter. I'm thrilled that the cops involved have been arrested and charged with his murder, because that's exactly what they did! The main point of this video is that a person of color is decrying her people glorifying black criminals and making role models and martyrs of them, all the while rioting, looting and destroying our cities and businesses......and expecting to get away from it because they're the victims in all this! Of course, they have struggles. Of course, racism is alive and well, but beating the same dead horse for hundreds of years isn't accomplishing anything or changing the struggles. Candace Owen and Dr. Ben Carson are examples of people of color who didn't buy into the usual narrative and worked to get somewhere and make something of themselves. The sad part is that for their efforts, they're labeled as "coons" or "Uncle Toms" instead of being held up as the role models they are.

[The Piper]

Why are you grouping "protestors" and "looters" in the same sentence? Protestors have a First Amendment right to protest peacefully. Looters are breaking the law. Peaceful protestors make up the vast majority of those you see on American streets. Protesting plays a crucial role in change within a free society. Looting and violence are unfortunate by-products of people often with a political agenda who want to create chaos. Don't confuse these people with those exercising their right to assemble and protest freely.

[yurkie]

In my opinion, I believe her 2018 statistics, because I have read and heard similar analyses. She makes many powerful points and facts. God Bless and Protect her.

[toeser]

Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74)

She fits my knowledge and philosophy to an exact "T" up to and including the 250,000 who die from medical errors each year. Sharp young lady.

[toeser]

She missed the point when she talked about black culture demanding justice for criminals. That may be true in some instances, but the whole point here is that George Floyd was not a criminal and that not only are black people more likely to be falsely suspected, but that black people, innocent or guilty, are inhumanely treated.

??? Of course he is a criminal. He has a rap sheet as long as your arm. He has spent a good percentage of his life in jail. The arrest that ended his life was for passing counterfeit money. Yes, he did not deserve to be treated as he was, even if he had not died from that treatment, but he was a criminal.

[donassaid]

So refreshing to see a black woman who "gets it", who knows the truth and us not afraid to call out the blatant hypocrisy of so called black leaders.

[Buckeye Bob]

Whether he was high or not makes no difference; she was spot on.

[GoodLife]

Whether he was high or not makes no difference; she was spot on.

He was high, according to ME report

Other significant conditions: Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use

Apparently some do not understand what intoxication means.

[John_W]

"Candace Amber Owens Farmer is an American conservative commentator and political activist. She is known for her pro-Trump activism that began around 2016 after being initially very critical of Trump and the Republican Party, and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party." Wikipedia

This says it all.

I'm so glad you brought up this up. I didn't know that she was initially critical of Trump and the Republican Party. I now have even more respect for her knowing that she saw the way this country was headed and probably after examining the options, she chose her current course of ACTION!!! Way to Go!!! Maybe there is hope for this country after all!!!!

[GoodLife]

If nothing else, the vast number of threads resulting from the murder of George Floyd has exposed a lot of folks...for the prejudice racism/bigotry that they readily embrace.

And for that alone...I am grateful. :thumbup:

Speaking of exposed, I keep hearing "all lives matter" but apparently reality is different.

84461

George Floyd (ex con, drug addict)
Nonstop nationwide news reports, protests, riots etc

84462

David Dorn (ex Police Chief, mentor to disadvantaged children)
NO non stop nationwide news reports protests, riots etc

[John_W]

Speaking of exposed, I keep hearing "all lives matter" but apparently reality is different.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/84462d1591451776t-candace-owens-i-do-not-support-george-floyd-heres-why-139189_w_760_793-jpg

David Dorn (ex Police Chief, mentor to disadvantaged children)
NO non stop nationwide news reports protests, riots etc

You know why the black community and the mainstream media hasn't really mentioned this retired Police Captain's murder by looters, is because they only believe if you ain't with them, you're against them!! He was protecting his pawn shop and killed by thugs, you would think this would be an even BIGGER story instead an internet blurb!!!!!!!!

[airstreamingypsy]

The post implies death was the intent.
Death happened to end up the result but not the intent.>

Really? You know that how? A cop, who took an oath to protect and serve, kept his knew compressing a man's windpipe while the man was saying, "I can't breathe" If a black cop was doing that to a white Villager you would be screaming that he murdered him deliberately. A cop with 18 citations against him. You defend him, "It wasn't his intent" of course it was, the man was handcuffed, what was he going to do? All the cop had to do was take his knee off the man's windpipe.

[Pamelagrace]

I read your response and thought, “ hey, I wrote that”! I have followed Candace for quite a while and I believe we’ll see and hear of her more!

[airstreamingypsy]

You know why the black community and the mainstream media hasn't really mentioned this retired Police Captain's murder by looters, is because they only believe if you ain't with them, you're against them!! He was protecting his pawn shop and killed by thugs, you would think this would be an even BIGGER story instead an internet blurb!!!!!!!!



The MSM has named him. Can you see the difference of a thug killing, and a police officer killing? Neither murder is okay, but police have been getting away with murdering unarmed black men for years, that's what the kneeling at football games was about, but instead of listening many people were outraged, not by the crime but by the peaceful protest. If people had listened we wouldn't be in this mess today.

[waynehal55]

Prayers for Candace, Kanye (love my 'JESUS IS KING'), and Dr Ben Carson, etc ... I did not know they were called names in their communities for making Their Lives Matter and that makes me sad with empathy for their struggle in life. I pray them love and appreciation of their lives in days ahead.
I am glad she posted what she calls 'her rant', it took courage and I admire that... Also, I learned a lot from her investigative journalism and her opinion and perspective of the facts.
Neither George Floyd nor Policeman David Dorn should have been WRONGLY murdered. I hope/PRAY both families get justice though our system.
I personally cannot see how doing ugliness toward another, rioting, breaking, entering, stealing, ruining Cities is a means to anything other than me reacting saying, Well, That is clearly WRONG to do.
Two WRONGS.....
Well said, Candace is a very bright young lady with a great future(hopefully).

[wamley]

You know what's in her mind and I'd like to hear her lies from previous converstons she's had. I want to know when I'm being lied to so I'd appreciate you sharing some of your experiences with her. Just based on your remarks though, they sound like your reading her mind and her intent. Thanks for you help.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

If you haven’t heard Candace rambling on about so many outrageous things you should . I ashamed of what I’ll hearing on here but not surprised, there is another person like her that’s believed without ever questioning the accuracy no matter the content , but let’s pretend we believe everything she says . Can any sane person actually look at that video and not be angry about what happened to this man no matter what his past or what was in his system or have we entered the arena of public executions

[GoodLife]

The MSM has named him. Can you see the difference of a thug killing, and a police officer killing? Neither murder is okay, but police have been getting away with murdering unarmed black men for years, that's what the kneeling at football games was about, but instead of listening many people were outraged, not by the crime but by the peaceful protest. If people had listened we wouldn't be in this mess today.

They actually named him? Wow!! Police have been getting away with murdering unarmed white people for years too. Black people murder more Black people than anyone. All lives matter :MOJE_whot:

[wamley]

Look at the stats, you're wrong.

[John_W]

..."I can't breathe" If a black cop was doing that to a white Villager you would be screaming that he murdered him deliberately...
Your example is slightly flawed. Go find a 59 year old villager who in 2009, plead guilty for 1st-degree felony charge of an assault and armed robbery and spent five years in prison for breaking into a lady’s house with the intent to rob her. He wore a blue uniform to look like a government employee to gain the homeowner's trust, and eventually pave his way into the house.

The lady soon realized that the person was impersonating to be a government worker, she tried to shut the door but he brute-forced his way into the house. Consequently, five people exited the truck parked outside the house and went straight inside the house. The man in the phony uniform pressed a pistol to women's stomach and forced his way into the house. This is just a START, there are many more Crimes!!!

https://thecourierdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/george-floyd-criminal-record.jpg

[anothersteve]

Good stuff if you go to her twitter page

Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eser p%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)

Steve

[pdearmond]

Just watched...she makes sense for sure

[wamley]

No one I know thinks this death was justitfied or that the Police Officers should not be going to prison, particularly after everything is know. There is a process and most times it doesn't wok as fast as some people think it should. Candice's message was more about her Community and the high light was her speaking about her community (the black/brown community) and how it's the only community to make heroes of people in their community that are not necessarily good people. She mentioned Furgursen as another example. She grew up with this and most of us on this board didn't. Her RANT as she called it is for her community needs to work harder to make things better for themselves. Listen to all she says, don't pick a sentence or a few words to judge her.

[John_W]

The MSM has named him. Can you see the difference of a thug killing, and a police officer killing? Neither murder is okay, but police have been getting away with murdering unarmed black men for years,...

Really, Mainstream Media, I haven't seen anything about the murder of retired police officer David Dorn by looters other than on the internet!!!

Police have been getting away with murdering unarmed black men for years - Really - you know this how? You were a cop for many years and watched it happen? Maybe you studied every shooting by a cop and have statistics that back up your statement!! Or, more likely you made it up just now and posted it!!! Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good STORY!!!

[GoodLife]

As soon as I saw she was basing her opinion on something that wasn't true, I stopped the video. There's no need to continue watching it at that point.

There is somebody lying about whether Floyd was high on drugs at time of arrest, and it isn't Candace Owens.

From the ME report.

Other significant conditions: Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use

[ithos]

An Immigrant who had the benefit of not being brainwashed by our "progressive" media and government school system tells protesters who the real Racists are

Watch – 'Black Lives Matter Is a Joke': Black D.C. Resident Tells Far-Left Group 'Go to Chicago' (https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/06/01/watch-black-lives-matter-is-a-joke-black-d-c-resident-tells-far-left-group-go-to-chicago/)

for you see Black Lives Matter is a radical left wing organization that should be renamed "Only Some Black Lives Matter".
89% of violent crimes inflicted on Blacks are committed by non-whites.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf

BLM and their coalition groups only focus on crimes that they can exploit for the achievement of extremist policies, many of which are the same as the Weather Underground Terrorists. Radical activists to discuss next steps of resistance >> Albuquerque Journal (https://www.abqjournal.com/1067393/radical-activists-to-discuss-next-steps-of-resistance-ex-former-weather-underground-members-to-join-sfais-equal-justice-residents-on-panel.html)

We are anti-capitalist:
We believe and understand that Black people will never achieve liberation under the current global racialized capitalist system.

ABOUT US – M4BL (https://m4bl.org/about-us/)
Movement for Black Lives - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Black_Lives)

On this list you will not find anything about School Choice, enterprise zones, denouncing the "snitches get stitches" culture that protects criminals or anything whatsoever about bringing down the dangers of violent crime that NO Child in the USA should be subject to.

Quality education in a safe environment should not be denied any child in the inner city. That is what the protests should be about. Not demonizing police.

[Bellavita]

DrunK - high- dead
George Floyd was a human being and the police killed him.

End of conversation

[Scorpyo]

I truly admire her. Why - because she found a niche that's probably making her a very lot of money. I think that's called capitalism. She says things that white conservatives think but would and could never say. I don't know if she believes everything she says but it doesn't matter. She found an audience and she's capitalizing on it. Good for her. Not too long ago there was a staunch democrat who believed in abortion and said ugly things about republicans. Today he professes to be a staunch conservative that believes in right-to-life. Why the change? Could it be because it got him the presidency? Is he just giving his audience what they want? If you liked most of what Candace said then I would strongly recommend you look up Shelby Steele. He's a black conservative scholar. He's been on Fox. If you don't know how to find him through the internet call your grandchild, they'll walk you though that Google thing - I did. He is truly remarkable. If that's not your thing look up Sharpton.

[amexsbow]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

Defended Hitler? Where is the proof?

[Shelly]

So are you saying that if a resident of The Villages was picked up by the police after a night at the square and was staggering a bit that the police should then place that person on the ground and put their knee on that persons neck for 10 minutes causing their death???? hmmmmm

[Troopie]

What an intelligent, insightful and extremely courageous young woman. Everyone should listen to her message!

[ffresh]

"Candace Amber Owens Farmer is an American conservative commentator and political activist. She is known for her pro-Trump activism that began around 2016 after being initially very critical of Trump and the Republican Party, and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party." Wikipedia

This says it all.

So, we are to believe that when Wikipedia says something, that's all there is to be said :1rotfl:

Fred

[BillArmyRet]

Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74)
I would advise that it would be best to find out who this woman is before you accept and spread her opinion. In addition to being black 😊 I find her an opportunist and unreliable. They really do come in all colors.

[ColdNoMore]

I would advise that it would be best to find out who this woman is before you accept and spread her opinion. In addition to being black 😊 I find her an opportunist and unreliable. They really do come in all colors.

:thumbup:

[Byte1]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

So, you don't agree with her therefore you label her a "hater." Please explain where she is a "hater." Was she a hater when she was attacked while dining out? What has she said that is evidence that she is a hater? Is it because she might be conservative? Is it because she might be a Christian? Is it because she does not agree with bad manners of some of her own race, and criticizes it? Just wondering, because I have heard her speak in Congress and on several shows on TV and found her to be refreshing.

[John_W]

So, you don't agree with her therefore you label her a "hater." Please explain where she is a "hater." Was she a hater when she was attacked while dining out? What has she said that is evidence that she is a hater? Is it because she might be conservative? Is it because she might be a Christian? Is it because she does not agree with bad manners of some of her own race, and criticizes it? Just wondering, because I have heard her speak in Congress and on several shows on TV and found her to be refreshing.

You Nailed It!!!!!!! :thumbup:

[John_W]

I find her an opportunist and unreliable. They really do come in all colors.

At least you got one thing right!!!! May I introduce you to the Al Sharpton!!!


https://media.wnyc.org/i/800/0/c/85/1/452390946.jpg

[Joe V.]

"Candace Amber Owens Farmer is an American conservative commentator and political activist. She is known for her pro-Trump activism that began around 2016 after being initially very critical of Trump and the Republican Party, and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party." Wikipedia

This says it all.

Wikipedia! LOL.

[Byte1]

She missed the point when she talked about black culture demanding justice for criminals. That may be true in some instances, but the whole point here is that George Floyd was not a criminal and that not only are black people more likely to be falsely suspected, but that black people, innocent or guilty, are inhumanely treated.

Floyd WAS a criminal. Look at his charges and convictions. He was also under arrest. Facts prove that blacks are treated better today by the police than they were five, ten, fifteen or more years ago. Give the police some credit. Not very many of them are corrupt and they are being weeded out. This was a wrongful death, and unfortunate but COPs are not perfect. That is not an excuse, just a statement. Do not presume that all COPs are bad and do not act amazed when you hear of an incident that was handled wrong. COPs handle the worst of society every day and are bound to make mistakes like other folks. I am not excusing anyone, but I am also not going to make Floyd into some sort of angel. Even his brother said at his funeral that he watched his brother and tried not to make the same mistakes. Floyd did not deserve to die, but I will not mourn him, either. If you live the life of crime, expect unfortunate results.

[Saluce]

Boom!!!!💥

[ColdNoMore]

Is it just me, or do others also see the flaming hypocrisy of embracing in whole what is said by someone of a different ethnicity, that just happens to agree with them, but dismiss and denigrate with vitriol...the exact opposite?


Re: "You're just an athlete/actor/performer/TV celebrity(oops, better not use that one :D)/Etc....therefore your opinion doesn't count." :oops:

Particularly noteworthy, when it's coming from a mouthpiece/sock-puppet whose lone 'claim to fame'...is to foment lies/anger/hatred.

Which is then perfectly summed up, and breathlessly and wholeheartedly embraced, by the statement of..."just shut up and dribble." :ohdear:

And who would even try to deny, the coded racism...in such a statement? :rolleyes:



.

[Don Ferguson]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

OK. We get you hate Candice Owens and FOX News. But how about addressing even one statement in the 18 minute video that was not true?

[ColdNoMore]

Floyd WAS a criminal. Look at his charges and convictions. He was also under arrest. Facts prove that blacks are treated better today by the police than they were five, ten, fifteen or more years ago. Give the police some credit. Not very many of them are corrupt and they are being weeded out. This was a wrongful death, and unfortunate but COPs are not perfect. That is not an excuse, just a statement. Do not presume that all COPs are bad and do not act amazed when you hear of an incident that was handled wrong. COPs handle the worst of society every day and are bound to make mistakes like other folks. I am not excusing anyone, but I am also not going to make Floyd into some sort of angel. Even his brother said at his funeral that he watched his brother and tried not to make the same mistakes. Floyd did not deserve to die, but I will not mourn him, either. If you live the life of crime, expect unfortunate results.

WOW...just wow. :oops:

Your last two sentences, negate and prove your previous comments about how you don't think he "deserved" to die...as being totally false. :ohdear:

[Antique lady]

This young lady is somewhat delusional. So sad. When she is out and about
she is George Floyd.....she is equally as susceptible to what happen to him and to Ms. Taylor in Louisville. It hurts to see someone so lost...

[Topspinmo]

Prayers for Candace, Kanye (love my 'JESUS IS KING'), and Dr Ben Carson, etc ... I did not know they were called names in their communities for making Their Lives Matter and that makes me sad with empathy for their struggle in life. I pray them love and appreciation of their lives in days ahead.
I am glad she posted what she calls 'her rant', it took courage and I admire that... Also, I learned a lot from her investigative journalism and her opinion and perspective of the facts.
Neither George Floyd nor Policeman David Dorn should have been WRONGLY murdered. I hope/PRAY both families get justice though our system.
I personally cannot see how doing ugliness toward another, rioting, breaking, entering, stealing, ruining Cities is a means to anything other than me reacting saying, Well, That is clearly WRONG to do.
Two WRONGS.....

You can add tiger woods to list for his comments. He’s getting crucified for his thoughtful statement not insisting violence.

[dustyaljac]

I guess I miss the part where those drugs have no effect on the body until you reach A HIGH. Or possibly compounded with Alcohol or how everyone reacts differently by these mind altering drugs. Or could these drugs have been a factor contributing to his death....certainly all these issues will come out.
Absolutely not that someone should lose their life as a result of a police stop. Absolutely no excuse to loot and the violence directed at ALL Police Officers by the weak minded mobs.

[ffresh]

An Immigrant who had the benefit of not being brainwashed by our "progressive" media and government school system tells protesters who the real Racists are

Watch – 'Black Lives Matter Is a Joke': Black D.C. Resident Tells Far-Left Group 'Go to Chicago' (https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/06/01/watch-black-lives-matter-is-a-joke-black-d-c-resident-tells-far-left-group-go-to-chicago/)

for you see Black Lives Matter is a radical left wing organization that should be renamed "Only Some Black Lives Matter".
89% of violent crimes inflicted on Blacks are committed by non-whites.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf

BLM and their coalition groups only focus on crimes that they can exploit for the achievement of extremist policies, many of which are the same as the Weather Underground Terrorists. Radical activists to discuss next steps of resistance >> Albuquerque Journal (https://www.abqjournal.com/1067393/radical-activists-to-discuss-next-steps-of-resistance-ex-former-weather-underground-members-to-join-sfais-equal-justice-residents-on-panel.html)

We are anti-capitalist:
We believe and understand that Black people will never achieve liberation under the current global racialized capitalist system.

ABOUT US – M4BL (https://m4bl.org/about-us/)
Movement for Black Lives - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Black_Lives)

On this list you will not find anything about School Choice, enterprise zones, denouncing the "snitches get stitches" culture that protects criminals or anything whatsoever about bringing down the dangers of violent crime that NO Child in the USA should be subject to.

Quality education in a safe environment should not be denied any child in the inner city. That is what the protests should be about. Not demonizing police.

Eloquently spoken (and researched). Thank you :thumbup:

Fred

[ffresh]

DrunK - high- dead
George Floyd was a human being and the police killed him.

End of conversation

Thank you for that "revealing" (did I mention comprehensive?) conversation :1rotfl:

Fred

[Don Ferguson]

I don’t get it. I thought people were protesting because of how he died. Yes he is a martyr because he was black and murdered by a cop. His history is irrelevant. She’s the nut case.

She very clearly stated two things: (1) Derek Chauvin needlessly killed George Floyd and should be convicted of same. (2) She was tired of, and refuses to participate in making a hero of the "bottom feeders" of her race. Her entire argument was with the people making George Floyd a martyr and hero when he was anything but!

[ffresh]

I would advise that it would be best to find out who this woman is before you accept and spread her opinion. In addition to being black 😊 I find her an opportunist and unreliable. They really do come in all colors.

Just for the record, I TOTALLY disagree with your characterization of Candice Owens … perhaps you should research her further and reevaluate … just sayin' :icon_wink:

Fred

[Antique lady]

One delusional young lady.

[mykvalentin]

I think Candice should’ve waited until the dust settles before giving her two-cents. More folks are still upset, and understandably so. Right now, none of the upset people will hear what she is saying. When people are upset and emotional, they don’t want to hear anything that’s contrast to what they want believe is the cause..

[Don Ferguson]

"Candace Amber Owens Farmer is an American conservative commentator and political activist. She is known for her pro-Trump activism that began around 2016 after being initially very critical of Trump and the Republican Party, and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party." Wikipedia

This says it all.

AND herewith lies the problem in America, FOR BOTH SIDES! It is obviously repugnant to you that a person could be known as "...an American conservative commentator and political activist." Therefore: you automatically tune out and go on record are against ANYTHING they say. That's sad, because I would challenge you tell me what was untrue in her 18 minute video.

Thankfully, I haven't fallen that far into the abyss! I am admittedly conservative and Republican. BUT, I actually listen to opposing positions and sometimes even agree with them.

[ffresh]

Is it just me, or do others also see the flaming hypocrisy of embracing in whole what is said by someone of a different ethnicity, that just happens to agree with them, but dismiss and denigrate with vitriol...the exact opposite?


Re: "You're just an athlete/actor/performer/TV celebrity(oops, better not use that one :D)/Etc....therefore your opinion doesn't count." :oops:

Particularly noteworthy, when it's coming from a mouthpiece/sock-puppet whose lone 'claim to fame'...is to foment lies/anger/hatred.

Which is then perfectly summed up, and breathlessly and wholeheartedly embraced, by the statement of..."just shut up and dribble." :ohdear:

And who would even try to deny, the coded racism...in such a statement? :rolleyes:



.

Not trying to be insulting but … could you please write more legibly; I have no idea what you're trying to say!

Fred

[ffresh]

One delusional young lady.

Or, is it just the opposite? Double entendre comes to mind. :icon_wink:

Fred

[Don Ferguson]

She missed the point when she talked about black culture demanding justice for criminals. That may be true in some instances, but the whole point here is that George Floyd was not a criminal and that not only are black people more likely to be falsely suspected, but that black people, innocent or guilty, are inhumanely treated.

You make two statements, both addressed and disproved by the video. (1) You claim George Floyd was not a criminal. If 5 proven prison sentences, the last being armed home invasion against a pregnant woman, don't prove you ARE a criminal, what does. (2) She addressed, and you can easily research yourself, to disprove that blacks are more likely to be falsely suspected and inhumanely treated.

Candace Owens vehemently clarifies that George Floyd was wrongfully killed by Derek Chauvin, and that Chauvin should be convicted for same. Her point was simply stated that she was tired of her race deifying the "bottom feeders" of her race as martyrs and heros.

[Don Ferguson]

I would advise that it would be best to find out who this woman is before you accept and spread her opinion. In addition to being black 😊 I find her an opportunist and unreliable. They really do come in all colors.

You embarrass me Bill because I too am retired Army! You offer nothing but a two personal insults about the author. How about pointing out even one falsehood contained in the 18 minutes of video?

[Dilligas]

If you listen to her words and forget your mass media supplied opinions of the entire situation you will realize she is intellligent and thought provoking. Regardless of your political stance, she points out the death was wrong and should be punished, however, the martyar creation of people dying at the hands of police is not what the black community should be advancing. All Lives Matter.....black, white, yellow, or brown. Wrongful death should not be tolerated and must be punished to the fullest extent. At the same time, all deaths should be held to the same standard, whether Minneapolis, Chicago, Dallas, St. Louis, or rural America.

[Scorpyo]

She's an Opportunist and a Hater! She's Courageous and Brilliant! You're both right (or left) depending on your ideological views. For those of you who have an open mind and want to hear from a true scholarly black conservative set your DVR to Fox News tomorrow (Sunday) evening at 11 PM. I would say watch it but it is at 11 PM and I am corresponding with TV residents so I know better. One of the speakers will be Shelby Steele. He's a Senior Fellow at Standford University. That's kind of an oxymoron, a Conservative at a California university. Sorry got sidetracked. Watch it and I think you'll be both educated and amazed. I've heard him speak before and that was my reaction.

[Taltarzac725]

Shelby Steele - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_Steele)

Providing a link.

She's an Opportunist and a Hater! She's Courageous and Brilliant! You're both right (or left) depending on your ideological views. For those of you who have an open mind and want to hear from a true scholarly black conservative set your DVR to Fox News tomorrow (Sunday) evening at 11 PM. I would say watch it but it is at 11 PM and I am corresponding with TV residents so I know better. One of the speakers will be Shelby Steele. He's a Senior Fellow at Standford University. That's kind of an oxymoron, a Conservative at a California university. Sorry got sidetracked. Watch it and I think you'll be both educated and amazed. I've heard him speak before and that was my reaction.

[Pamelah]

Drunk? So what??? Big guy? Yes. Strong guy? Yes. 4 rotten cops couldn’t subdue him ( if that be the case) so one kneeled on his neck and killed him. People are wrongly focusing on the man. I’m focusing on the intentional murder of a black man.

[Ray Greene]

No matter what George Floyd’s condition was, killing him was not the answer

[Taltarzac725]

No matter what George Floyd’s condition was, killing him was not the answer

And it sounds like he was trying to pass a counterfeit 20 dollar bill and if in a drugged state would not have had the intention to commit a crime. He probably did not know it was a phony bill. But I do not have the facts.

The MN Attorney General was very careful as a law student at the U of MN. He was class of 1990. I am Class of 1989. I did not have any classes with him that I recall but my girlfriend while in law school was Class of 1990 and would have had classes with him. She did mention him quite often though as he was one of the few African-American students at the U of MN Law School while I was there.

Keith Ellison would go by the facts. He is the AG for Minnesota right now.

[baramu]

What a horrible thing to say. The druggie that he was? The man was casually murdered and you come out with that comment? Obnoxious.

[jimjamuser]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.
Good to point out that she may also have history. Maybe a perspective. But, Fentanyl has a reputation for making people crazy and violent. How much is just a little?

[GoFarm]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.
I read that the person that called 911 said Floyd was acting high and not in control of himself.

[jimjamuser]

Look at the video where the police walked Floyd away from the wall.. While walking he staggered like the stoned druggie he was.
Besides being provocative, very harsh.

[Bucco]

I read that the person that called 911 said Floyd was acting high and not in control of himself.

Curious.

Read it WHERE ?

Thanks

[jimjamuser]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.
If I went into a prison and shot the worst murder there, I would STILL have committed murder myself.

[LynneH]

George Floyd is merely a symbol of something that has gone wrong in our policing community. His character is incidental because he did not deserve to die in this manner. For many Americans, seeing the incident take place was a wake up call about what has been going on. It is unlikely that we would believe it was taking place had we not seen the video evidence.

[Taltarzac725]

It looks like there was one quite rotten cop who had been getting away with stuff in Minneapolis for decades and he hooked up with what look to be rookies.

It also looks like George Floyd and this bad cop had a history.

George Floyd: What we know about the four ex-police officers charged in his death - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/minneapolis-officers-background-george-floyd-trnd/index.html)

George Floyd is merely a symbol of something that has gone wrong in our policing community. His character is incidental because he did not deserve to die in this manner. For many Americans, seeing the incident take place was a wake up call about what has been going on. It is unlikely that we would believe it was taking place had we not seen the video evidence.

[jimjamuser]

She fits my knowledge and philosophy to an exact "T" up to and including the 250,000 who die from medical errors each year. Sharp young lady.
Possibly we would have less medical deaths if we had National Healthcare like Finland.

[jimjamuser]

So are you saying that if a resident of The Villages was picked up by the police after a night at the square and was staggering a bit that the police should then place that person on the ground and put their knee on that persons neck for 10 minutes causing their death???? hmmmmm
Maybe in the future.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby
She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

Differences Between Defamation, Slander, and Libel

Defamation, slander, and libel are terms that frequently confused with each other. They all fall into the same category of law and have to do with communications that falsely debase someone’s character.

https://www.legalzoom.com/sites/legalzoom.com/files/images/uploaded/differences_between_defamation_slander_and_libel_1 .jpg.pagespeed.ce.QAEut-TOwZ.jpg

What is defamation? Defamation is a false statement presented as a fact that causes injury or damage to the character of the person it is about. An example is “(Candace Owens) is lying on purpose to prove a point” "Not surprising for her, she does this often." If this is untrue and if making the statement damages her reputation or ability to work, it is defamation. The person whose reputation has been damaged by the false statement can bring a defamation lawsuit.

[Heytubes]

She’s even testified before Congress

[GoodLife]

Curious.

Read it WHERE ?

Thanks

You could try reading the Medical Examiner's report, or you could believe an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

Other significant conditions: Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020 .pdf

As an opioid drug, fentanyl intoxication can cause intense euphoria and affect the central nervous system as a depressant. Fentanyl intoxication can make it seem like a person is drunk at first, but it can go downhill rapidly.

[Heytubes]

Guess you missed the part where she said the cops were wrong and he didn’t deserve to die.

[anothersteve]

I read that the person that called 911 said Floyd was acting high and not in control of himself.

Curious.

Read it WHERE ?

Thanks

not too hard to find

https://www.kmov.com/minneapolis-police-release-911-call-that-led-to-encounter-with-george-floyd/article_9b2982cd-47b2-5223-ace0-04bb6c6cee57.html

Steve

[carlanddiane]

You could try reading the Medical Examiner's report, or you could believe an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

Other significant conditions: Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020 .pdf

As an opioid drug, fentanyl intoxication can cause intense euphoria and affect the central nervous system as a depressant. Fentanyl intoxication can make it seem like a person is drunk at first, but it can go downhill rapidly.

AHA, so you are saying he deserved to be murdered

[anothersteve]

AHA, so you are saying he deserved to be murdered

Now who said that?
Steve

[DeafDeaf]

Understood that he had to be arrested by the police, but it is unnecessary to put his knee on the victim's neck! I am sure all law enforcement departments will declare no more neck chokes!

:pray:

[Number 10 GI]

Drunk? So what??? Big guy? Yes. Strong guy? Yes. 4 rotten cops couldn’t subdue him ( if that be the case) so one kneeled on his neck and killed him. People are wrongly focusing on the man. I’m focusing on the intentional murder of a black man.

So the 4 cops all got together and said let's kill a black guy today. :MOJE_whot:

[Byte1]

WOW...just wow. :oops:

Your last two sentences, negate and prove your previous comments about how you don't think he "deserved" to die...as being totally false. :ohdear:

Really? How's that? I have to admit that I am surprised that you didn't also add me to the racist list that you label anyone else as being if they say something you deem negative.
I noticed that you have the unique ability to mind read someone's thoughts and intentions.

[John_W]

If I went into a prison and shot the worst murder there, I would STILL have committed murder myself.

To shot someone in prison means you had a gun, therefore you shot an inmate while on duty, if that was in defense of yourself or another employee or inmate, that would be justifiable homicide. If you were an inmate and made a shank and used it against another inmate, you could be charged with murder if it were unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Of course, you could argue you used reasonable force in self defense to resist death or bodily harm. Nothing is as simple as it sounds!!!

[GoodLife]

AHA, so you are saying he deserved to be murdered

Nope, I'm saying that the ME found Floyd to be high on fentanyl at the time of his death, and that the poster in this thread who said Candace Owens was lying about that in her video and thus dismissed everything she said was just plain wrong, to be charitable.

[Byte1]

Drunk? So what??? Big guy? Yes. Strong guy? Yes. 4 rotten cops couldn’t subdue him ( if that be the case) so one kneeled on his neck and killed him. People are wrongly focusing on the man. I’m focusing on the intentional murder of a black man.

How do you know that it was "intentional?" And why do you empathize that he was "black?" Would you not be just as "focused" on him if he was a white man? By the way, there were four COPs involved and only two were white.
I have seen seven COPs having to work very hard to control an average sized guy on PCP. When they got him to the hospital and he was strapped down, he broke the restraints as well as broke his arm and didn't feel a thing.

FYI: a little fentanyl is lethal.

I am not saying that he deserved to die. I am saying that the procedure to restrain him was undoubtedly wrong/improper. I do not believe that this was a case of intentional murder and believe that cooler heads should prosecute these men in court rather than in the public media.

[Barborv]

That commentary is all over the place. Well spoken.
But stoned or high, still didnt give that cop the right to do what he did. Floyd was handcuffed. And apparently it is also out there that the cop knew Floyd because they were both either security guards or bouncers together.

[Byte1]

Possibly we would have less medical deaths if we had National Healthcare like Finland.

Finland is a small country and an individual pays about half his paycheck to payroll taxes. We do not need to speak of sales taxes do we? Perhaps if one wished for Finland national healthcare, it would be easier to obtain if they moved to Finland.

[John_W]

Nope, I'm saying that the ME found Floyd to be high on fentanyl at the time of his death, and that the poster in this thread who said Candace Owens was lying about that in her video and thus dismissed everything she said was just plain wrong, to be charitable.

I also caught OBB comments about lying, but I could care less if she dismissed the comments. I was concerned about Defamation.

A false statement presented as a fact that causes injury or damage to the character of the person it is about. An example is “(Candace Owens) is lying on purpose to prove a point” "Not surprising for her, she does this often." If this is untrue and if making the statement damages her reputation or ability to work, it is defamation. The person whose reputation has been damaged by the false statement can bring a defamation lawsuit.

[GoodLife]

Whether Floyd was high or not, that cop was 110% in the wrong.

There's no "whether" about it. ME report says he was intoxicated with fentanyl at time of death. Nobody is saying the cop was not wrong, it will all come out in the trial.

[GoodLife]

I do completely agree that those miniscule numbers that took advantage of the peaceful protestors with violence or looting, should be found and prosecuted fully, but peaceful assembly...is at the very foundation of this country.

Even if their size, happens to be inconvenient for others.


Miniscule numbers? There have been riots and damages in the billions in over 100 cities. So far 18 people have been killed, 16 by gunshot wounds. 100s in law enforcement have been injured, many seriously. So a miniscule group of bad protestors just teleported themselves all over the country and caused all this?

[ColdNoMore]

Miniscule numbers? There have been riots and damages in the billions in over 100 cities. So far 18 people have been killed, 16 by gunshot wounds. 100s in law enforcement have been injured, many seriously. So a miniscule group of bad protestors just teleported themselves all over the country and caused all this?

Puhleeze, simply more attempts at obfuscation and diversion. :oops:

Compared to the TOTAL number of protestors EVERYWHERE, yes...the criminals were a MINISCULE % of that TOTAL.

Just as rotten cops, are a MINISCULE %...of ALL cops. :boom:

[GoodLife]

Puhleeze, simply more attempts at obfuscation and diversion. :oops:

Compared to the TOTAL number of protestors EVERYWHERE, yes...the criminals were a MINISCULE % of that TOTAL.

Just as rotten cops, are a MINISCULE %...of ALL cops. :boom:

Yep, 18 deaths, 100s injured, 100 cities damaged is just obfuscation and diversion.

1 dead ex con drug addict, that's what really counts.

[anothersteve]

Puhleeze, simply more attempts at obfuscation and diversion. :oops:

Compared to the TOTAL number of protestors EVERYWHERE, yes...the criminals were a MINISCULE % of that TOTAL.

Just as rotten cops, are a MINISCULE %...of ALL cops. :boom:

You are very systemic in the obfuscation of diversion
Steve

[anothersteve]

Miniscule numbers? There have been riots and damages in the billions in over 100 cities. So far 18 people have been killed, 16 by gunshot wounds. 100s in law enforcement have been injured, many seriously. So a miniscule group of bad protestors just teleported themselves all over the country and caused all this?

:clap2::clap2:

Steve

[dplars]

Only a black could say this, Us affluent whites are too busy bowing down at the alter of guilt. Makes me want to barf.What about the policemen who put their lives in danger every day????

[talleyjm]

Watched the video - she is saying what many people are thinking. She speaks the truth. A white person would be risking everything, including their life, if they spoke this truth publicly.

[Number 10 GI]

I didn't read anywhere in his post that advocated, inferred or implied prohibiting peaceful protests. He is angry with the thugs and left wing anarchists that saw this as an opportunity to riot, steal and destroy public and private property. If it was your property that was destroyed you wouldn't think it was an insignificant thing. What I find even more disgusting are the people that come up with idiotic justifications for the violence.

[mtdjed]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

And what is your point? That everyone naturally has such stuff in their blood stream.

She made mention of that by simply stating what was was found in the autopsy.

"in addition to fentanyl and methamphetamine, the toxicology report from the autopsy showed that Floyd also had cannabinoids in his system when he died."

No assumptions or lies made.

Most of us will make our own assumptions by hearing the facts. Yes, he was murdered. Yes, the murderer has been charged with second degree murder.

[GoFarm]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.
Please back up your accusations.

[GoFarm]

Being high/intoxicated or passing counterfeit $ doesn't carry a death sentence...at least last time I checked. Even if so, it would need to be arrived at via a judge and jury...not some renegade cops.
You missed her point.

[GoFarm]

Nice, continue to try to perpetuate a lie and have an equally uninformed poster (Nailed it - CNM) agree. Here is a clip of congressman Ted Lieu trying to make that same assertion and Candace’s reply. Rep. Ted Lieu plays recording of Candace Owens statement on Adolf Hitler (C-SPAN) - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a-poqjet5mY)
Thank you for posting the clip of Candace Owens' comments which puts into context the issue of her mentioning Hitler and completely refutes the disparaging and false assertion that she was defending Hitler.

[anothersteve]

Thank you for posting the clip of Candace Owens' comments which puts into context the issue of her mentioning Hitler and completely refutes the disparaging and false assertion that she was defending Hitler.

She also put Nadler in his place. The look on his and Lieu's faces.......PRICELESS!
Steve

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And that is just what is wrong with the post baby boomer generations.

When reading an article, or listening to a speaker, once they sense "anything" that doesn't jive with their opinions then they reject the entire hypothesis.

That's termed "narrow-mindedness".

I'm not a "post baby boomer," first of all. I'm a babyboomer. Second, I didn't "sense" anything. I fact-checked. I heard her make statements I hadn't read about or heard from the actual news media - not op-ed, but news. The networks, AP, Reuter's, BBC, etc. That was the first thing that I heard her say that I hadn't heard before. So I fact-checked it. I found the articles that made these claims, and fact-checked those claims further. I searched the JAMA and healthnet, and the government's health and science websites, to learn about "what dosage of these substances can cause mental impairment."

Did you do ANY of that, or did you just believe every word because it fit your narrative? Because - THAT would be "narrow-mindedness."

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And what is your point? That everyone naturally has such stuff in their blood stream.

She made mention of that by simply stating what was was found in the autopsy.

"in addition to fentanyl and methamphetamine, the toxicology report from the autopsy showed that Floyd also had cannabinoids in his system when he died."

No assumptions or lies made.

Most of us will make our own assumptions by hearing the facts. Yes, he was murdered. Yes, the murderer has been charged with second degree murder.

No, she said - "he was high." Her words. The autopsy report doesn't say that. She says it. And the amount of drugs in his bloodstream indicates that he was likely NOT "high" at the time of his murder. He might've dosed up several hours earlier and it took that long to wear off, but for his height, weight, body type - that amount of drugs in his system would've been similar to the average person taking a teaspoon of cold medicine and someone who lives with ADHD to take their daily dose of adderal.

[anothersteve]

https://www.kmov.com/minneapolis-police-release-911-call-that-led-to-encounter-with-george-floyd/article_9b2982cd-47b2-5223-ace0-04bb6c6cee57.html

Steve

[GoodLife]

No, she said - "he was high." Her words. The autopsy report doesn't say that. She says it. And the amount of drugs in his bloodstream indicates that he was likely NOT "high" at the time of his murder. He might've dosed up several hours earlier and it took that long to wear off, but for his height, weight, body type - that amount of drugs in his system would've been similar to the average person taking a teaspoon of cold medicine and someone who lives with ADHD to take their daily dose of adderal.

Do you know what it means when a Medical Examiner does an autopsy and says "fentanyl intoxification" at time of death? It doesn't mean trace amounts, it means he was intoxicated with the drug. High. Now look up what "fentanyl intoxification" means

As an opioid drug, fentanyl intoxication can cause intense euphoria and affect the central nervous system as a depressant. Fentanyl intoxication can make it seem like a person is drunk at first, but it can go downhill rapidly.

[B767drvr]

No, she said - "he was high." Her words. The autopsy report doesn't say that. She says it. And the amount of drugs in his bloodstream indicates that he was likely NOT "high" at the time of his murder. He might've dosed up several hours earlier and it took that long to wear off, but for his height, weight, body type - that amount of drugs in his system would've been similar to the average person taking a teaspoon of cold medicine and someone who lives with ADHD to take their daily dose of adderal.

Sounds more like he took his daily dose of meth (laced with fentanyl!) Floyd was a multi-decade drug addict, based on his prison record. He was high (according to his toxicology report), resisted arrest, refused to get into the police vehicle, voluntarily dropped to his knees (based on video surveillance) to resist arrest. The common denominator in all these cases is the suspect RESISTS ARREST. If George had cooperated with police, he, like many before, would be alive today.

NO, he did not deserve a knee to the neck till death... for the umpteenth millionth time. BUT... had he not resisted arrest, he would be alive today... like many before.

[anothersteve]

Do you know what it means when a Medical Examiner does an autopsy and says "fentanyl intoxification" at time of death? It doesn't mean trace amounts, it means he was intoxicated with the drug. High. Now look up what "fentanyl intoxification" means

As an opioid drug, fentanyl intoxication can cause intense euphoria and affect the central nervous system as a depressant. Fentanyl intoxication can make it seem like a person is drunk at first, but it can go downhill rapidly.

Ears.....meet silence. That's what it boils down to.
Steve

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Do you know what it means when a Medical Examiner does an autopsy and says "fentanyl intoxification" at time of death? It doesn't mean trace amounts, it means he was intoxicated with the drug. High. Now look up what "fentanyl intoxification" means

As an opioid drug, fentanyl intoxication can cause intense euphoria and affect the central nervous system as a depressant. Fentanyl intoxication can make it seem like a person is drunk at first, but it can go downhill rapidly.

The preliminary SUMMARY that was released to the public mentioned intoxication. Looking at the actual autopsy report you find he had 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his bloodstream. That is equivalent of .019mg. The average medically appropriate dose of fentanyl for assisting with ventilation analgesics is 25-100 mcg, which is between .025 and .1 mg. So he had under half the standard medical dose for people who actually benefit from its use, at the time of the autopsy. Not high. Perhaps feeling a bit woozy but fentanyl wouldn't cause someone to resist arrest. It would cause them to really not care much about it at all.

The methamphetamine in his bloodstream was higher - 19ng/ml. Now - methamphetamine, in a high enough dose, would absolutely make someone feisty. And dangerous. But at .19, he had in his body less than 10% of the standard dose of methamphetamine than the average person with ADHD takes every day to keep them calm. So again - not high. In the case of this particular chemical, not even particularly excited.

I'm mostly retired. It's raining. I have nothing better to do for much of the day other than learn things. It's a life long learning experience to me. I love learning new information. What I don't love, is people taking snippets of what other people say in summary of something that is factual, but not explained to the layman, and coming to conclusions and basing their opinion on these summary snippets - publishing them for the world to see, and then seeing an entire thread of people applauding that person for being courageous - even though that person clearly didn't present facts at all.

[GoFarm]

DrunK - high- dead
George Floyd was a human being and the police killed him.

End of conversation
You are painting with a wide brush. The overwhelming majority of police officers are doing good. They shouldn't all be tarnished because of the action of a sole maniac.

[GoodLife]

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You are painting with a wide brush. The overwhelming majority of police officers are doing good. They shouldn't all be tarnished because of the action of a sole maniac.

She's not painting, there's no wide brush. This thread isn't about what all police do or don't do. It's about one dead man at the hands of four very specific police officers.

Also to whoever posted on the other page about this: If he had not resisted arrest, he still would've been dead. He didn't "voluntarily" lower himself to the floor. He fell over at the curb. One of the two videos shows that very clearly. The police report states that he was already handcuffed, and restrained on the ground, at the time when Chauvin applied his knee to Floyd's neck. The other video showed that one cop was kneeling on his legs, another cop was kneeling on his back, and Chauvin was kneeling on his neck. While he was handcuffed, face down on the pavement. It was NOT POSSIBLE for him to resist arrest at that point. He was struggling to breathe.

Try it yourself. Have someone handcuff you, and face you down on the blacktop pavement, stomach to the ground. Then have someone kneel on the backs of your legs. And have someone kneel on the middle of your back. And another person kneel on the side of your neck. And just kinda - lay there for 8 minutes.

Good luck.

[golf4wendy]

thanks for sharing, she is one smart and beautiful girl.

[NoMoSno]

///

[GoFarm]

She's not painting, there's no wide brush. This thread isn't about what all police do or don't do. It's about one dead man at the hands of four very specific police officers.

Also to whoever posted on the other page about this: If he had not resisted arrest, he still would've been dead. He didn't "voluntarily" lower himself to the floor. He fell over at the curb. One of the two videos shows that very clearly. The police report states that he was already handcuffed, and restrained on the ground, at the time when Chauvin applied his knee to Floyd's neck. The other video showed that one cop was kneeling on his legs, another cop was kneeling on his back, and Chauvin was kneeling on his neck. While he was handcuffed, face down on the pavement. It was NOT POSSIBLE for him to resist arrest at that point. He was struggling to breathe.

Try it yourself. Have someone handcuff you, and face you down on the blacktop pavement, stomach to the ground. Then have someone kneel on the backs of your legs. And have someone kneel on the middle of your back. And another person kneel on the side of your neck. And just kinda - lay there for 8 minutes.

Good luck.
Bellavita didn't write that Mr. Floyd was killed by four very specific police officers, what was written was, "...and THE POLICE killed him". That's the wide wide brush (which is an analogy, BTW).

[GoodLife]

The preliminary SUMMARY that was released to the public mentioned intoxication. Looking at the actual autopsy report you find he had 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his bloodstream. That is equivalent of .019mg. The average medically appropriate dose of fentanyl for assisting with ventilation analgesics is 25-100 mcg, which is between .025 and .1 mg. So he had under half the standard medical dose for people who actually benefit from its use, at the time of the autopsy. Not high. Perhaps feeling a bit woozy but fentanyl wouldn't cause someone to resist arrest. It would cause them to really not care much about it at all.


You in way over your head. People have overdosed and died with levels of 11ng/ml of fentanyl. You have picked the most extreme dosages (they are actually considered off label) and said that's a standard medical dose of fentanyl.

General Anesthesia
Minor surgical procedures: 0.5-2 mcg/kg/dose IV

Major surgery: 2-20 mcg/kg/dose initially; 1-2 mcg/kg/hr maintenance infusion IV; discontinue infusion 30-60 min prior to end of surgery; limit total fentanyl doses to 10-15 mcg/kg for fast tracking and early extubation

Adjunct to general anesthesia (rarely used): 20-50 mcg/kg/dose IV

Analgesia (Off-label)
Analgesia: 1-2 mcg/kg IV bolus or 25-100 mcg/dose PRN or 1-2 mcg/kg/hr by continuous IV infusion or 25-200 mcg/hr

[B767drvr]

You in way over your head. People have overdosed and died with levels of 11ng/ml of fentanyl. You have picked the most extreme dosages (they are actually considered off label) and said that's a standard medical dose of fentanyl.

General Anesthesia
Minor surgical procedures: 0.5-2 mcg/kg/dose IV

Major surgery: 2-20 mcg/kg/dose initially; 1-2 mcg/kg/hr maintenance infusion IV; discontinue infusion 30-60 min prior to end of surgery; limit total fentanyl doses to 10-15 mcg/kg for fast tracking and early extubation

Adjunct to general anesthesia (rarely used): 20-50 mcg/kg/dose IV

Analgesia (Off-label)
Analgesia: 1-2 mcg/kg IV bolus or 25-100 mcg/dose PRN or 1-2 mcg/kg/hr by continuous IV infusion or 25-200 mcg/hr

Oh my goodness... are you inferring several posters have taken an itsy-bitsy point out of an 18-minute video...misrepresented the point...and have disingenuously attempted to smear the author based on their misrepresentation? Absolutely shocking! :ohdear:

[Bucco]

Not trying to change topic, but here we have a host of a national syndicated show telling a black athlete (Lebron James) to shut up and dribble awhile back on his comments, then on Drew Bree's, a white athlete, saying " he has a right to his opinion". They were speaking on the same issue.

What might be the difference

LeBron James calls out Laura Ingraham for defending Drew Brees (https://nypost.com/2020/06/05/lebron-james-calls-out-laura-ingraham-for-defending-drew-brees/)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Bellavita didn't write that Mr. Floyd was killed by four very specific police officers, what was written was, "...and THE POLICE killed him". That's the wide wide brush (which is an analogy, BTW).

The police DID kill him. It wasn't "the angry mob" or "the protesters" or "the pedestrians" or "the passersby" or "the people crossing the street." And everyone would know, if you had used any of those phrases, that it wasn't ALL angry mobs, and it wouldn't have been ALL protesters, or ALL pedestrians, or ALL passersby, or ALL the people crossing the street. In any other situation, you would know that she was referring to the specific police who were there at the time. It wasn't just one police officer. It was four police officers. So the use of the plural form of "police" was accurate and appropriate.

The police DID kill him. Four police officers, to be specific. "THE" (meaning - something other than ALL) police did kill George Floyd.

[ColdNoMore]

Not trying to change topic, but here we have a host of a national syndicated show telling a black athlete (Lebron James) to shut up and dribble awhile back on his comments, then on Drew Bree's, a white athlete, saying " he has a right to his opinion". They were speaking on the same issue.

What might be the difference

LeBron James calls out Laura Ingraham for defending Drew Brees (https://nypost.com/2020/06/05/lebron-james-calls-out-laura-ingraham-for-defending-drew-brees/)

I know, I know...pick me. :MOJE_whot:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You in way over your head. People have overdosed and died with levels of 11ng/ml of fentanyl. You have picked the most extreme dosages (they are actually considered off label) and said that's a standard medical dose of fentanyl.

General Anesthesia
Minor surgical procedures: 0.5-2 mcg/kg/dose IV

Major surgery: 2-20 mcg/kg/dose initially; 1-2 mcg/kg/hr maintenance infusion IV; discontinue infusion 30-60 min prior to end of surgery; limit total fentanyl doses to 10-15 mcg/kg for fast tracking and early extubation

Adjunct to general anesthesia (rarely used): 20-50 mcg/kg/dose IV

Analgesia (Off-label)
Analgesia: 1-2 mcg/kg IV bolus or 25-100 mcg/dose PRN or 1-2 mcg/kg/hr by continuous IV infusion or 25-200 mcg/hr

Do you not understand what the /kg part of that means? It means "per kilogram." In layman's terms the 1-2 micrograms would be multiplied by however many kilograms the person weighs, and that would be the dosage. A kilogram is a bit more than 2 pounds. So if someone weighs 200 pounds, you'd give them100-200 micrograms total. //

EDITED the last bit because I multiplied where I should've divided. The point stands. 11-19 mcg of fentanyl or methamphetamine is not enough to make someone go off and become dangerous while resisting arrest.

[tophcfa]

Thanks for posting the video, it was very interesting. She brought up several things I have not thought about. There are always two sides to every discussion and it is worth closely listening to both sides.

[mtdjed]

No, she said - "he was high." Her words. The autopsy report doesn't say that. She says it. And the amount of drugs in his bloodstream indicates that he was likely NOT "high" at the time of his murder. He might've dosed up several hours earlier and it took that long to wear off, but for his height, weight, body type - that amount of drugs in his system would've been similar to the average person taking a teaspoon of cold medicine and someone who lives with ADHD to take their daily dose of adderal.

You ignore the point of her rant. That is, that even though he was murdered, he was not the kind of person that you put on a pedestal and idolize . And then protest, riot, steal, kill even after the killer is in jail. Why such illegal activity? Think of all the harm this is causing. Support for that activity is far worse than her opinions.

[ithos]

Not trying to change topic, but here we have a host of a national syndicated show telling a black athlete (Lebron James) to shut up and dribble awhile back on his comments, then on Drew Bree's, a white athlete, saying " he has a right to his opinion". They were speaking on the same issue.

What might be the difference

LeBron James calls out Laura Ingraham for defending Drew Brees (https://nypost.com/2020/06/05/lebron-james-calls-out-laura-ingraham-for-defending-drew-brees/)

I will tell you the difference. Lebron James was being a complete (fill in the blank).

“The climate is hot,” James replied. He said that for the “No. 1 job in America,” the “appointed person” is “someone who doesn’t understand the people, and really don’t give a f— about the people.”

He was also being one when he defended the Chinese Communist Party . You know the ones with the concentration camps for Uyghurs? And who were shutting down Churches and arresting Christians never to be seen again? He was upset because Americans expressed support for the protesters in Hong Kong who simply want to retain basic freedoms they have enjoyed for over 100 years. It was costing him money.

Laura Ingraham wrote a book titled "Shut up and Sing" when she criticized the lunatic ravings of Hollywood elites and singers. The vast majority of them white. So she used a similar turn of phrase to criticize Lebron James. What else could she use? Shut up and shoot a free throw? If he was a golfer who said the same stupid comment it probably would have been Shut Up and putt.

This is what Drew Brees said:
“I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country.”

Can you see the difference in tone and respect between their two stated opinions?

Probably not. It is so much easier to brand people with whom you disagree with as racists rather than engaging them in a Socratic fashion.

[Tracy Turnbull]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

How has she publicly defended Hitler?? Did you see the entore story or even watch the clip? She never even hinted that she supports Hitler. IF you would have watched, you would have actually heard Ms Owens correcting Mr Lieu and completely clarifying what HE was trying to do to HER...twist her words completely to fit HIS story. Eerily similar to MSM...and not the first time their narratives match btw. She just doesn't fall for it. I applaud it.
She is an intelligent woman and I respect her fearlessness in standing up for herself and others.
Anyone who watches the full clip posted will get the TRUTH....of course she didn't support Hitler! That's utterly ridiculous.
Get the full story.... instead of just spewing innaccuracy and untruths 👀

[Tracy Turnbull]

Speaking of exposed, I keep hearing "all lives matter" but apparently reality is different.

84461

George Floyd (ex con, drug addict)
Nonstop nationwide news reports, protests, riots etc

84462

David Dorn (ex Police Chief, mentor to disadvantaged children)
NO non stop nationwide news reports protests, riots etc

Very little coverage...and very sad. Just doesn't fit the post Corona narrative today. Let's see what's next for the states having trouble now...
Bankruptcy?
Marshall law to keep people in because of a few?
Mail in voting?
MORE (perhaps intentional) Nursing Home deaths?
...how about everything being Trump's fault?
...see any patterns yet??
Lifetime politicians were not the intent and should not be allowed. It is soiling a great nation of (mostly) great people...like David Dorn and good men like him....just sad. 😢

[kenoc7]

"She is way, way to the right of mainstream America"

Baloney, she is mainstream America, just not Main Stream Media, which continues to ignore her comments.

If she is mainstream there is no hope for America.

[kenoc7]

[QUOTE=jacksonbrown;1778182]And that is just what is wrong with the post baby boomer generations.

When reading an article, or listening to a speaker, once they sense "anything" that doesn't jive with their opinions then they reject the entire hypothesis.



When reading an article, or listening to a speaker, once they sense "anything" that jiveS with their opinions then they ACCEPT the entire hypothesis.

That's termed "narrow-mindedness".

[kenoc7]

She speaks the truth!!!!

She speaks complete and utter alt-right rubbish.

[Bay Kid]

The truth really hurts. Someone had to finally give a connect the dots report. Always sad when anyone is killed but there is more to the story than the 1 sided report. The media will never tell total story because it doesn't fit their agenda.

[toeser]

thanks for sharing, she is one smart and beautiful girl.

She's 31. At our age, I suppose that could be a girl.

[GoodLife]

Do you not understand what the /kg part of that means? It means "per kilogram." In layman's terms the 1-2 micrograms would be multiplied by however many kilograms the person weighs, and that would be the dosage. A kilogram is a bit more than 2 pounds. So if someone weighs 200 pounds, you'd give them100-200 micrograms total. //

EDITED the last bit because I multiplied where I should've divided. The point stands. 11-19 mcg of fentanyl or methamphetamine is not enough to make someone go off and become dangerous while resisting arrest.

Seriously, you have no clue what you are talking about. Let's just go by the serum levels of fentanyl in Floyds blood at time of death. Fentanyl 11 ng/ml. That is a reading of fentanyl level per milliliter of blood. This measurement has nothing to do with the size of the person. A 100 pound woman with 11 ng/ml fentanyl is same as a 250 pound guy with 11 ng/ml. They both have the same levels per milliliter of blood.

The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anaesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml. Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved.

So Floyd had enough fentanyl in his blood at time of death to actually kill some people, and certainly enough to prepare him for open heart surgery. This is why the ME rated it as FENTANYL INTOXIFICATION. In the vernacular, he was HIGH ON DRUGS. If the ME determined the Fentanyl actually killed him, he would have said Acute Fentanyl Intoxification.

You are also confusing pharmaceutical grade fentanyl with street fentanyl. The stuff they use in hospitals is about 100 times more powerful than morphine. It's also very consistent because it is professionally made. Street fentanyl is cooked up in clandestine labs and has no consistency. Some forms like 3 methyl fentanyl are up to 6000 times more potent. Street drugs are notorious for hot spots, where one portion of a gram is highly lethal, other parts weak. This is why there are so many overdoses with this drug.

Apparently, you have now moved the goalposts, previously you said Candace was lying about Floyd being high during arrest. Now it's, well he wasn't high enough to get violent and resist arrest. Candace wasn't lying, he was definitely high on drugs during arrest and at time of death.

[mflasch]

Every single American should watch this video. Finally some common sense instead of all the media hype.

[Dkay718]

You apparently don’t know this girl. She is a courageous, serious girl who speaks the truth to power and only wants what is best for her community. Shame on you for trying to smear her character. If you think she has lied, back it up with some examples or be quiet.

[44Apple]

As best I could tell from Candace Owens' bio, she was pretty liberal at one time and had a liberal blog. When she was in high school, she sued her school for racial discrimination because some white classmates (including the governor's son), harassed her and the school did nothing about it.

At some point, I guess she just figured out a way to make money off certain people.

This past winter, I went into a Dunkin Donuts (not in The Vill). Two guys, white, in their late 60s or 70s, sat at the table next to me, talking about how the impeachment was a hoax and they sang her praises as a young black person who really "gets it."

As I said, she knows how to make certain people feel better about themselves.

[cheweycat]

And that justified the police the right to kill him!

[John_W]

When reading an article, or listening to a speaker, once they sense "anything" that jiveS with their opinions then they ACCEPT the entire hypothesis.

That's termed "narrow-mindedness".

Remember this, you will never learn anything when you're talking. Narrow-mindedness might be closer than you think.

[scottvs1961]

To understand what has happened to the black community since the end of the Civil War, watch “13th” on Netflix.

[Red Rose]

He still did not deserve to be snuffed out like an insect under that officer's knee. How can you be so cruel? How can you keep doing that when the person is telling you he can't breathe and that you are killing him? He is heartless. Plus, his wife filed for divorce right away. Could he have been abusive towards her also?

[GoodLife]

And that justified the police the right to kill him!

No, his fentanyl levels at death justify Candace Owens saying he was high on drugs, and makes people who say otherwise look silly.

[Taltarzac725]

If serious well-educated people are telling you one thing over-and-over again with hundreds of thousands of people also protesting against criminal actions taken then you should believe there is a problem.

The criminal in this situation was the Minneapolis cop and his accomplices who did not try hard enough to stop him.

I researched what this woman is spewing and find it very offensive.

Main street media is usually right.

[ColdNoMore]

I will tell you the difference. Lebron James was being a complete (fill in the blank).

“The climate is hot,” James replied. He said that for the “No. 1 job in America,” the “appointed person” is “someone who doesn’t understand the people, and really don’t give a f— about the people.”

He was also being one when he defended the Chinese Communist Party . You know the ones with the concentration camps for Uyghurs? And who were shutting down Churches and arresting Christians never to be seen again? He was upset because Americans expressed support for the protesters in Hong Kong who simply want to retain basic freedoms they have enjoyed for over 100 years. It was costing him money.

Laura Ingraham wrote a book titled "Shut up and Sing" when she criticized the lunatic ravings of Hollywood elites and singers. The vast majority of them white. So she used a similar turn of phrase to criticize Lebron James. What else could she use? Shut up and shoot a free throw? If he was a golfer who said the same stupid comment it probably would have been Shut Up and putt.

This is what Drew Brees said:
“I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country.”

Can you see the difference in tone and respect between their two stated opinions?

Probably not. It is so much easier to brand people with whom you disagree with as racists rather than engaging them in a Socratic fashion.

Wrong, the difference is right there in front of anyone...who wants to see.

You say that LeBron "was being a complete (fill in the blank)," but Brees "tone and respect" makes his voice/comments more legitimate...which is pure BS.

LeBron has done a whole lot to help communities & education, using his personal money and giving his personal time.

Laura Ingraham has a well-deserved reputation as being a racist/bigot with her even promoting a white supremacist on her show...in which she lost an advertiser.

Her own brother, who is gay (and everyone knows how she feels about gays also)...says it was probably inherited.

'''She'''s a monster''': Laura Ingraham'''s gay brother lashes out in interview (https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/she-s-monster-laura-ingraham-s-gay-brother-lashes-out-n909456)

"She's a monster."

“Our father was a Nazi sympathizer, racist, anti-Semite and homophobe,” Curtis Ingraham, who is gay, wrote alongside a video of his sister.

“Like father like daughter?”

So no, anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows exactly what Ingraham stands for...and it's NOT racial equality.


P.S. Brees was big enough to admit that he made a mistake with his tone-deaf original statement and apologized, but you'll never see an Ingraham or others of her disgusting ilk...doing the same. :ohdear:

[Biggles]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

Now, there's absolutely no question that George Floyd did not deserve to die, let alone die while in police custody. I view what happened as murder (some don't, but like most, I do). It is fitting that the 4 policemen are being prosecuted for his death, and I am confident and hopeful that Derek Chauvin will be convicted and as the main perpetrator will serve very serious jail time indeed. That is justice.

But to describe the late George Floyd as other than a sordid career criminal would be a lie. Read on:
George Floyd’s Criminal Past
• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest during which the police brutality occurred
• Floyd had more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the perpetrator of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
Before moving to Minneapolis in 2014, George Floyd was released from prison in Texas. He worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant.

[fritzy]

"Candace Amber Owens Farmer is an American conservative commentator and political activist. She is known for her pro-Trump activism that began around 2016 after being initially very critical of Trump and the Republican Party, and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party." Wikipedia

This says it all.

You do realize that Wiki is largely written and maintained
by liberals and those on the left.

[Taltarzac725]

ASA Condemns Systemic Racism in the Criminal Justice System | American Sociological Association (https://www.asanet.org/news-events/asa-news/asa-condemns-systemic-racism-criminal-justice-system)

Use Google some more. Try to get an idea of what some African-American men are up against even in the US in 2020.

My nephew who is African American when he was about 6 and had been visiting the Villages pointed at his skin and told me it is only this deep while holding his fingers a paper thin space apart. This would have been about 2011 as he has to bend down to get his Afro through the door now. Or, at least, the last time they visited the Villages.

My late younger brother had married a Jamaican around 2007. They both experienced a lot of racism from both whites and blacks because of their mixed marriage.

[bilcon]

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

I thought there were no politics permitted. I guess the other side have moved to this site.

[Taltarzac725]

Researched where and how? Main street media is usually right? Narrow-mindedness usually starts at home!!!!!! Watch the video again without blinders on, you might learn something NEW!!!!


Her video is garbage.

[ColdNoMore]

I thought there were no politics permitted. I guess the other side have moved to this site.

So what are you saying?

That you don't think 'your' majority...is big enough? :oops:

[transplanted]

...and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying. Not surprising for her, she does this often.

Are you able to point us to published references where she did the above and we can check it out? thanks.

[golfing eagles]

Now, there's absolutely no question that George Floyd did not deserve to die, let alone die while in police custody. I view what happened as murder (some don't, but like most, I do). It is fitting that the 4 policemen are being prosecuted for his death, and I am confident and hopeful that Derek Chauvin will be convicted and as the main perpetrator will serve very serious jail time indeed. That is justice.

But to describe the late George Floyd as other than a sordid career criminal would be a lie. Read on:
George Floyd’s Criminal Past
• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest during which the police brutality occurred
• Floyd had more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the perpetrator of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
Before moving to Minneapolis in 2014, George Floyd was released from prison in Texas. He worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant.


But, but, but how can that be? At a memorial service they had a poster of George Floyd with wings and a halo. Surely such a saint couldn't have done so much as spit on the sidewalk, much less all those charges on his rap sheet.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[John_W]

Her video is garbage.



How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!!


And then we watch as so many (coerced by their union) applaud and support, two cops who shoved a 75 year old man to the ground as we watched it happening, causing a serious head injury...then not even stopping to help.

THIS from the people hired to..."Serve & Protect?"

What's wrong with this picture? :oops:

That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!! A person who only looks at the surface of matter and doesn't do any research will jump at conclusions. The Mayor of Buffalo, a African American Democrat can even see this person is nothing more than an agitator!! He has comprehension about the situation. Buffalo is a blue collar town, this Mayor has a head on his shoulders!!!


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/06/05/29283782-8394057-Buffalo_Mayor_Byron_Brown_on_Friday_said_he_would_ not_call_for_t-a-86_1591416000513.jpg

Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

“According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."

[golfing eagles]

The preliminary SUMMARY that was released to the public mentioned intoxication. Looking at the actual autopsy report you find he had 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his bloodstream. That is equivalent of .019mg. The average medically appropriate dose of fentanyl for assisting with ventilation analgesics is 25-100 mcg, which is between .025 and .1 mg. So he had under half the standard medical dose for people who actually benefit from its use, at the time of the autopsy. Not high. Perhaps feeling a bit woozy but fentanyl wouldn't cause someone to resist arrest. It would cause them to really not care much about it at all.

The methamphetamine in his bloodstream was higher - 19ng/ml. Now - methamphetamine, in a high enough dose, would absolutely make someone feisty. And dangerous. But at .19, he had in his body less than 10% of the standard dose of methamphetamine than the average person with ADHD takes every day to keep them calm. So again - not high. In the case of this particular chemical, not even particularly excited.

I'm mostly retired. It's raining. I have nothing better to do for much of the day other than learn things. It's a life long learning experience to me. I love learning new information. What I don't love, is people taking snippets of what other people say in summary of something that is factual, but not explained to the layman, and coming to conclusions and basing their opinion on these summary snippets - publishing them for the world to see, and then seeing an entire thread of people applauding that person for being courageous - even though that person clearly didn't present facts at all.

There are MULTIPLE, MAJOR problems with that analysis, and probably even more than I know since my specialty is not forensic toxicology and pharmacokinetics.

First of all, you would have to know the AVD (apparent volume of distribution) of fentanyl in a living person. You would have to know the volume of all his fluid spaces (blood, plasma, tissue). You would have to know the pharmacokinetics of all the fentanyl metabolites. And you would have to know the time he took the dose, the route of administration and the half life of fentanyl and perhaps its metabolites. Then you would have to know the half life in a dead person,. since many cells continue to work after a person is "dead".

In short, the levels found at autopsy have nothing to do with his levels while he was being arrested or how much of an initial dose he took, and the simple extrapolation that was presented is essentially worthless. And the problems I mentioned are just off the top of my head, an expert in the field could probably point out many more.

All that technical babble aside, the victim is still dead as a result of blatant excessive force. Still, everyone should calm down and let the criminal justice system do its job. Rioting and looting only exacerbates the problem.

[billethkid]

There are MULTIPLE, MAJOR problems with that analysis, and probably even more than I know since my specialty is not forensic toxicology and pharmacokinetics.

First of all, you would have to know the AVD (apparent volume of distribution) of fentanyl in a living person. You would have to know the volume of all his fluid spaces (blood, plasma, tissue). You would have to know the pharmacokinetics of all the fentanyl metabolites. And you would have to know the time he took the dose, the route of administration and the half life of fentanyl and perhaps its metabolites. Then you would have to know the half life in a dead person,. since many cells continue to work after a person is "dead".

In short, the levels found at autopsy have nothing to do with his levels while he was being arrested or how much of an initial dose he took, and the simple extrapolation that was presented is essentially worthless. And the problems I mentioned are just off the top of my head, an expert in the field could probably point out many more.

All that technical babble aside, the victim is still dead as a result of blatant excessive force. Still, everyone should calm down and let the criminal justice system do its job. Rioting and looting only exacerbates the problem.

Exactly their intent to promote their agenda.

[ColdNoMore]

How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!

That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!!

Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) [I]on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

“According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."

Feeling silly?

Hardly.

I can't help but laugh...and shake my head in disgust.

A lesson in comprehension is definitely in order...but it's not for me.

Read it again..."According to what was reported to me"..."said he was told."

NOW, I wonder exactly who...was "doing the reporting"?

I'll help you.

It's the exact same ones, who support the act and the two that did it...as we ALL watched with our own eyes. :oops:

[OhioBuckeye]

Candace Owens: I hear what you're saying but I feel for G. Floyd. George was passing a $20. counterfit bill which is against the law & he should of been arrested for that, but to kill someone for this, this cop was racist. I don't blame the the people for protesting. Protest, but don't loot & burn businesses down, that's not protesting. Do they really think G. Floyd wants to be remember for that. These protesters just wanted a reason to make us feel they were protesting for a good reason. Personally the looters should of be shot when caught running out of stores with arms full of merchandise. All this did was raise our taxes. Floyd was contained he couldn't fight anybody off of him, he surrendered. Hope this protest ends real quick so our tax dollars can start rebuilding these businesses, & the govt. will use our taxes to rebuild. Don't think our tax dollars won't, the govt. has nowhere else to get money!

[GoodLife]

Main street media is usually right.

They really nailed that Russian collusion thing for 3 years. :ohdear::ohdear:

[John_W]

Please, if you're going to quote my posts, First don't make the print so small I can't even distinguish the words, and then put them in orange on green! I Got it, it's easier to reply when no one can read what your replying too - Good Strategy - when you have a weak comeback!!!

Originally Posted by John_W
How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!

That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!!

Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) [I]on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

“According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."
Feeling silly?

The Most Important Part was the Mayor a Black Democrat in a large northern city - Listened to his police and responded with support. That's something we don't normally see from many big city Mayors. The man should be commended!!!

[ColdNoMore]

They really nailed that Russian collusion thing for 3 years.

The "media" wasn't doing the investigation and while enough proof of actual collusion couldn't be found, foreign interference in favor of a certain person... absolutely WAS proved. :boom:

Awful convenient...to forget that part. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

Please, if you're going to quote my posts, First don't make the print so small I can't even distinguish the words, and then put them in orange on green! I Got it, it's easier to reply when no one can read what your replying too - Good Strategy - when you have a weak comeback!!!

The Most Important Part was the Mayor a Black Democrat in a large northern city - Listened to his police and responded with support. That's something we don't normally see from many big city Mayors. The man should be commended!!!

Anyone can read your original post, but if you can't remember what you wrote...that's no one else's fault. :oops:

And once again, I'll point out that the Mayor who was going solely by those who "told him"...were also the ones who were attempting to protect this callous act by one of their own.

Just watch the video. :boom:

[GoodLife]

The "media" wasn't doing the investigation and while enough proof of actual collusion couldn't be found, foreign interference in favor of a certain person... absolutely WAS proved. :boom:

Awful convenient...to forget that part. :ohdear:

Someone is not up to date at all. Documents proving Russia was also trying to help Hillary are being declassified and that Brennan hid this information. Steele dossier was a Russian intelligence op, complete garbage. Please explain how that Russian sourced dossier was designed to help Trump. Not one person under oath saw any evidence of Russian collusion.

Daniel Hoffman, the CIA’s former station chief in Moscow and one of America’s premier experts on Russia spy tradecraft, said he believed all along the Obama administration’s assessment was wrong and the newly declassified evidence confirms his suspicions.
“The question of whether Russia favored Clinton or Trump is superfluous,” he said. “There is no evidence Russia ever had the throw weight to influence the outcome of the 2016 election, the 2017 DNI report confirmed that.

“The reason for Russia’s interference in our electoral process was more simple. Putin hates Democrats, and he hates Republicans because what scares him the most is democracy — freedom, liberty — which continued to be an inspiration to the Russian people whom he oppresses,”

Quite a few people are going to have a date with this guy shortly. In court

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[lindaelane]

I think the headline "I do not support George Floyd" is unfortunate - and headlines are not generally written by the speaker/writer, if I understand correctly. Candace Owens sayd "I do not support George Floyd as a martyr". She also says she wants justice for George and the officer who murdered him. She does not want to see him as a martyr because he died while committing a crime. (Not sure if he was seen passing the 20 dollar bill, or if it had happened earlier, but I see what she is getting at.) I don't have an opinion here - I think it is mostly up to the African American community to decide who should be a martyr from that community and who should not. I think the point that in general, criminals should not be made heroes is well taken, and I will pass no judgment on whether this case is an exception.

I think it is indisputable that good will come out of the increased dialogue after this terrible murder. Its also indisputable that very bad things were done by criminals in the name of George Floyd but I believe the peaceful protests helped.

[graciegirl]

I think the headline "I do not support George Floyd" is unfortunate - and headlines are not generally written by the speaker/writer, if I understand correctly. Candace Owens sayd "I do not support George Floyd as a martyr". She also says she wants justice for George and the officer who murdered him. She does not want to see him as a martyr because he died while committing a crime. (Not sure if he was seen passing the 20 dollar bill, or if it had happened earlier, but I see what she is getting at.) I don't have an opinion here - I think it is mostly up to the African American community to decide who should be a martyr from that community and who should not. I think the point that in general, criminals should not be made heroes is well taken, and I will pass no judgment on whether this case is an exception.

I think it is indisputable that good will come out of the increased dialogue after this terrible murder. Its also indisputable that very bad things were done by criminals in the name of George Floyd but I believe the peaceful protests helped.

Minneapolis releases transcript of George Floyd 911 call - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-911-transcript-minneapolis-police/)

I think he died by use of a procedure that is often used and allowed for people who are not already restrained by handcuffs. I think he had a serious criminal past. At his eulogy it was inappropriate in all of the remarks about his previous life to mention that he had been imprisoned four times for felonies and me, myself think it may have had a lot to do with drug addiction, but I don't know. I would think that no matter WHAT ethnicity he was. It is hard to give up our ideas about what constitutes right or wrong. The twenty dollar bill was enough that the owner of the minimart called the police. Twenty dollars is two hours work at minimum wage in some places. I do know that it is wrong to lean on someone's neck until they are unconscious while they are restrained in handcuffs. And It is wrong to steal. I don't know personally any one who would do either. And unless we are black, or have worked for several years as a police officer, we can't know exactly how that feels...…….

I am not and will never be a marcher. I don't understand how it helps to get a bunch of people who all feel the same madder and madder and more heartbroken and angry ..

[John_W]

Anyone can read your original post, but if you can't remember what you wrote...that's no one else's fault. :oops:

And once again, I'll point out that the Mayor who was going solely by those who "told him"...were also the ones who were attempting to protect this callous act by one of their own.

Just watch the video.

Callous Act!!! The man was a known instigator, rebel-rouser, a lost soul, who lived off relatives and the only found solice in life, was to go out and get arrested whenever he could. The protests played right into his hands!!!

[manaboutown]

Now, there's absolutely no question that George Floyd did not deserve to die, let alone die while in police custody. I view what happened as murder (some don't, but like most, I do). It is fitting that the 4 policemen are being prosecuted for his death, and I am confident and hopeful that Derek Chauvin will be convicted and as the main perpetrator will serve very serious jail time indeed. That is justice.

But to describe the late George Floyd as other than a sordid career criminal would be a lie. Read on:
George Floyd’s Criminal Past
• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest during which the police brutality occurred
• Floyd had more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the perpetrator of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
Before moving to Minneapolis in 2014, George Floyd was released from prison in Texas. He worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant.

Floyd was a career criminal until his unfortunate end. To paint him otherwise is preposterous.

One cop overdid kneeling on his neck and wrongfully killed him for which he will be tried for murder in a court of law. The other three stood by and let it happen. They will all be tried for their inaction in a court of law as well.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74)

“Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We’ve got to face that. And we’ve got to do something about our moral standards,” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961. “We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can’t keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.”

Martin Luther King

[Antique lady]

It is heartbreaking to see a young woman with out much life experience become such an outspoken and judgemental person. Sad... We can not heal until we accept reality that our nation right now is not fostering unity. Our nation right not does not value the unflinching contributions of people of color and the labor of Latino immigrants.... I look forward to her learning a bit more before we tacitly say she is a voice to be heard above millions of others....

[Antique lady]

At least 11.6 million criminal incidents were reported to law enforcement agencies throughout the United States in 1999; by 2018, that number had declined to just over 8.4 million despite a population increase of 20% during that time.
What that means is that even as the United States has swelled by more than 50 million people, both the number and rate of most crimes reported to law enforcement have dropped, and some have fallen by incredibly high rates. Without hope crime becomes the drug of choice.... Looks like before the pandemic and the gruesome murder of Mr. Floyd, that we all witnessed, we are all doing so very much better helping our youth have hope. Let's keep up the idea that this is a nation where hope still lives for all of people...

[phylt]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! She's definitely a clear thinker who does her research!

[RedChariot]

Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74)

No we white would never be allowed to voice this opinion. Her points are well taken. Floyd should never have died in the manner he did. But he should not be the person who's name is plastered on a tee shirt and in who's name monuments and buildings are burned and desecrated.

[Taltarzac725]

He is a symbol of things very wrong with this great country. He may also be a symbol for change and for the better.

More checks-and-balances is a very good thing and hopefully that is what will happen. Cops pointing out other officers' transgressions and doing something about these. Rather than just standing behind the blue line and allowing things to continue.

No we white would never be allowed to voice this opinion. Her points are well taken. Floyd should never have died in the manner he did. But he should not be the person who's name is plastered on a tee shirt and in who's name monuments and buildings are burned and desecrated.

[Joe V.]

No we white would never be allowed to voice this opinion. Her points are well taken. Floyd should never have died in the manner he did. But he should not be the person who's name is plastered on a tee shirt and in who's name monuments and buildings are burned and desecrated.

The same people who wear Che and Fidel T-shirts will wear this one too.

[ColdNoMore]

At least 11.6 million criminal incidents were reported to law enforcement agencies throughout the United States in 1999; by 2018, that number had declined to just over 8.4 million despite a population increase of 20% during that time.
What that means is that even as the United States has swelled by more than 50 million people, both the number and rate of most crimes reported to law enforcement have dropped, and some have fallen by incredibly high rates. Without hope crime becomes the drug of choice.... Looks like before the pandemic and the gruesome murder of Mr. Floyd, that we all witnessed, we are all doing so very much better helping our youth have hope. Let's keep up the idea that this is a nation where hope still lives for all of people...

:thumbup:

[manaboutown]

He is a symbol of things very wrong with this great country. He may also be a symbol for change and for the better.

More checks-and-balances is a very good thing and hopefully that is what will happen. Cops pointing out other officers' transgressions and doing something about these. Rather than just standing behind the blue line and allowing things to continue.

Floyd is a symbol all right. He burst into a home and held a gun to an eight month pregnant woman's stomach so he and a group of other thugs could steal everything they could find of value in her home.

I wonder how she, her husband and her child feel about this violent felon? She had to have been traumatized by this thug's behavior. I wonder how many other crimes like this he committed with which he got away?

[Antique lady]

Education is always the key. This young woman needs to educate herslelf about the history of this nation. She speaks without the benefit of knowledge.

I would advise all to view the History Channel's documentary entitled Black Wall Street which shares the story of the Tulsa massacre of African Americans when an ill informed white mob descends on their community. Go to youtube and type in Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Black Wall Street - Full Documentary - YouTube (https://youtu.be/oJbF9SGB3Yk)

It illustrates the lengths whites have historically be willing to go in order to feel superior. Such thinking has always led to death and destruction..

[ColdNoMore]

Education is always the key. This young woman needs to educate herslelf about the history of this nation. She speaks without the benefit of knowledge.

I would advise all to view the History Channel's documentary entitled Black Wall Street which shares the story of the Tulsa massacre of African Americans when an ill informed white mob descends on their community. Go to youtube and type in Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Black Wall Street - Full Documentary - YouTube (https://youtu.be/oJbF9SGB3Yk)

It illustrates the lengths whites have historically be willing to go in order to feel superior.

Such thinking has always led to death and destruction..

Well stated!

The sad fact is that she, like so many others, have no clue as to what her ancestors had to suffer and go through, just so she can even just publicly express her views...regardless of how wrong-headed they are. :ohdear:

Just as so many have never stopped to even comprehend, that at the beginning of this nation, African-Americans were the ONLY immigrants...brought here in ropes and chains. :mad:

[Taltarzac725]

The same people who wear Che and Fidel T-shirts will wear this one too.

I sincerely doubt that.

[Taltarzac725]

George Floyd paid for this crime.

The cops who killed him should pay for theirs.

I have been a very effective advocate for victims/witnesses of crime for most of my life.

Floyd is a symbol all right. He burst into a home and held a gun to an eight month pregnant woman's stomach so he and a group of other thugs could steal everything they could find of value in her home.

I wonder how she, her husband and her child feel about this violent felon? She had to have been traumatized by this thug's behavior. I wonder how many other crimes like this he committed with which he got away?

[talleyjm]

One of the witnesses to the event said he was acting like he was drunk or on something. Let's stop trying to
canonize this guy. He was career criminal who was treated unjustly while being arrested. And he died because of it. Tragic.
I'm waiting for more facts to come out about cause of death. Odd that the first autopsy didn't fit the PC agenda so another autopsy had to be done that did. Experts can be bought and will say whatever you want them to say if you offer them enough money. We may never know what really caused his death. NONE of what's going on right now is about the death of this man. Read between
the lines. You don't murder other blacks and police officers, destroy property, loot, etc., because a black man died at the hands of
a white policeman. And it's only going to get crazier as November 3rd approaches. Buckle up!

[manaboutown]

George Floyd paid for this crime.

The cops who killed him should pay for theirs.

I have been a very effective advocate for victims/witnesses of crime for most of my life.

As I stated in my previous post #218, they will be tried in a court of law - and thereby "pay for theirs(crimes)". Duh!

From large numbers of your prior posts I know you are an advocate for victims' rights. Why don't you locate the pregnant lady to whose stomach Floyd held a gun and see if you can help her out in any way?

[eyc234]

Well stated!

The sad fact is that she, like so many others, have no clue as to what her ancestors had to suffer and go through, just so she can even just publicly express her views...regardless of how wrong-headed they are. :ohdear:

Just as so many have never stopped to even comprehend, that at the beginning of this nation, African-Americans were the ONLY immigrants...brought here in ropes and chains. :mad:




So you know this woman, know what she does & does not know and have intimate knowledge of her beliefs and thoughts. Then you degrade her for her thoughts. Then you tell all the rest of us that we have never learned, thought or comprehend the wrongs and the history of this country and humankind. As long as people of all ilks continue to deride versus discuss issues the divide will continue to grow.

[John_W]

Education is always the key. This young woman needs to educate herslelf about the history of this nation. She speaks without the benefit of knowledge.

I would advise all to view the History Channel's documentary entitled Black Wall Street which shares the story of the Tulsa massacre of African Americans when an ill informed white mob descends on their community. Go to youtube and type in Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma.



So because something happened in Tulsa Oklahoma in 1921, Candace Owens doesn't know anything about black/white history. Maybe she does know, maybe she wrote that PBS documentary. Maybe she has a genius IQ.

You could stop 100 black people at random on the street and they wouldn't know about it either. What's next, she has jump through hoops. Sounds like you've got the agenda, not this lady!!!

[John_W]

I have been a very effective advocate for victims/witnesses of crime for most of my life.

Good for You!! What's next on your docket?

[ColdNoMore]

So you know this woman, know what she does & does not know and have intimate knowledge of her beliefs and thoughts. Then you degrade her for her thoughts. Then you tell all the rest of us that we have never learned, thought or comprehend the wrongs and the history of this country and humankind. As long as people of all ilks continue to deride versus discuss issues the divide will continue to grow.

Why don't you address the subject of the thread, by using generic responses, instead of throwing out specific personal attacks...at those you don't like? :oops:

If you took personal umbrage at one of my generic statements, because you thought it applied to you...that's not my problem. :rolleyes:

Thank you. :ho:

[graciegirl]

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I agree with this general comment of the poster eyc234 as usual and ask that eyc234 becomes a virtual friend on this forum.. It is the things of importance that matter in others that draws us to them. It is a feeling of attitude and the aura of fairness and the lack of hatred. I hope that eyc234 will accept this small token as a compliment. On this thread alone, I felt much the same about several people whose comments were based on a realistic approach and not on a lot of rhetoric that inflames and angers and separates and prejudges..

[GoodLife]

The sad fact is that she, like so many others, have no clue as to what her ancestors had to suffer and go through, just so she can even just publicly express her views...regardless of how wrong-headed they are. :ohdear:


White liberal explains racism to black woman. :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

[Antique lady]

At the end of the day we all must take time to learn United States history... the good the bad and the ugly.

Events of the past inform thoughts of today and governs our present beliefs and actions.

My hope regarding encouraging all to watch the History Channel documentary about the Tulsa Black Wall Street Massacre was to provide context for why we continue to have so little faith in one another across perceived differences.

Knowing U.S. history helps us understand the unexamined parts of what we think and do...It conveys why we seek to decide, based on someone's past whether or not they deserved to be murdered on primetime television.... Most of us here are mid-life and older adults. Our systems are full of various drugs.... We are in drug induced good health.....and I would be just as furious if anyone here was murdered in that same way. We would have an interesting toxicology report....

I am from that part of the country, near Tulsa, and the scars are deep but people there coexist without resentment. We are all just trying to live our best lives.....

[anothersteve]

White liberal explains racism to black woman. :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

:boom:
Steve

[Antique lady]

Are you speaking of me? Saying I am trying to explain the issue of race?

[anothersteve]

Are you speaking of me? Saying I am trying to explain the issue of race?

Without a quote no one knows who you are addressing.
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

Candace Owens - Con Artist (click here) (http://newsone.com/3848636/candace-owens-receipts-con-artist/)


That said, Owens is a fraud and we have endless receipts.

Lawsuit With the NAACP

Owens now calls the NAACP “one of the worst groups for Black people,” even though the organization helped her win a racial discrimination lawsuit. In 2007, she accused some white boys of racially harassing and threatening to kill her. Owens claimed the boys were the son of then-Stamford Mayor Dannel Malloy, Connecticut’s former governor. Because of the NAACP, Owens’ family received a settlement of $37,500 from Stamford Public Schools.

Scot X. Esdaile, the Connecticut NAACP president who helped Owens with her lawsuit, was shocked to hear she had become a conservative. Esdaile told Mic, “We’re very saddened and disappointed in her. It seems to me that she’s now trying to play to a different type of demographic.”



By March of 2018, Owens was slithering onto TV stations and finally made it to Fox News. She spit out a line that went viral and made her a darling of pseudo-conservatives. Owens said the National Rifle Association was founded as a civil rights organization that protected Black people from the KKK. Even the Fox News host said, “I’ve never heard that before! That’s so interesting!”

She never heard it before, either, because it was a lie.


Click on the link, for other examples of how she's simply cashing in on...what she thinks will make her money.

A lot of you folks are being played...like a fiddle. :D

Then again, being a con person doesn't carry nearly the negative connotations that it did...not so very long ago. :ohdear:

[karostay]

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

Guess you made an assuption instead of listening

[anothersteve]

Are you speaking of me? Saying I am trying to explain the issue of race?

I'll try to help, see post 239
Steve

[anothersteve]

Candace Owens - Con Artist (click here) (http://newsone.com/3848636/candace-owens-receipts-con-artist/)





Click on the link, for other examples of how she's simply cashing in on...what she thinks will make her money.

A lot of you folks are being played...like a fiddle. :D

Then again, being a con person doesn't carry nearly the negative connotations that it did...not so very long ago. :ohdear:

Doesn't matter if you are black or white, left is left

NewsOne - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsone/)
Steve

[Byte1]

He still did not deserve to be snuffed out like an insect under that officer's knee. How can you be so cruel? How can you keep doing that when the person is telling you he can't breathe and that you are killing him? He is heartless. Plus, his wife filed for divorce right away. Could he have been abusive towards her also?

How do you know that this was intentional? You don't, so let the court decide. Let's face it, even if the guy was purposely killed no one is even going to miss him. He was an excuse for more protesting and rioting. Even his brother said "I watched him growing up so I would know what NOT to do."
Sorry, but I won't mourn him. However, I DO mourn a very good retired police Capt that was killed by looters. Notice that I did not mention his race or the looters races, because wrong is wrong regardless of race.

[Byte1]

Education is always the key. This young woman needs to educate herslelf about the history of this nation. She speaks without the benefit of knowledge.

I would advise all to view the History Channel's documentary entitled Black Wall Street which shares the story of the Tulsa massacre of African Americans when an ill informed white mob descends on their community. Go to youtube and type in Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Black Wall Street - Full Documentary - YouTube (https://youtu.be/oJbF9SGB3Yk)

It illustrates the lengths whites have historically be willing to go in order to feel superior. Such thinking has always led to death and destruction..

Another broad stroke of the brush. All whites are bad and all blacks have been penalized because of their color. Got it.

[John_W]

...I am from that part of the country, near Tulsa, and the scars are deep but people there coexist without resentment. We are all just trying to live our best lives.....

I don't think you know what you think you know. My first wife of 14 years is from Tulsa and lives there now. I've been there many times. It's nothing like you explained it was. They have more racial divide there then anywhere I've been in the south.

I've lived conservative places, Savannah for one about ten years total over two different decades, nice place, everyone gets along great. Just four hours away is Atlanta, I lived there also, black mayor, terrible crime, worse place I've ever lived. It's the only place that I had car almost stolen. The city is horrible, that's why built a new baseball stadium to replace one that was only 20 years old, they moved it out to the suburbs.