Is is shameful to ask questions?

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Why do so many so called academics and journalists refuse to have a serious or honest discussion about Islam and Islamism? Both groups are supposed to be, by nature and intellect, curious probing creatures. Yet when it comes to the mosque at Ground Zero and many other issues related to Islam, they don't seem to ask any questions and many don't want other to seek answers.

Many of these assumed liberal thinkers and journalists go so far as to call anyone questioning Islam bigots, intolerant and often; in their attempts to try and discuss the subject, they will shift the discussion and get off point entirely by bringing some irrelevant philosophical view into the arena.

This is an excellent op-ed piece on the proposed mosque at Ground Zero.

http://article.nationalreview.com/439029/the-taboo-of-the-intellectuals/clifford-d-may

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me if this video is factual? This should be mandatory viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0deanRGb8w&feature=player_embedded

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me if this video is factual? This should be mandatory viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0deanRGb8w&feature=player_embedded

There was nothing in that video that I had not already learned elsewhere. I have also read the Koran, a few times.

I recommend that you investigate this yourself.

Yoda

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There was nothing in that video that I had not already learned elsewhere. I have also read the Koran, a few times.

I recommend that you investigate this yourself.

Yoda

I'm impressed.:read:

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Why do so many so called academics and journalists refuse to have a serious or honest discussion about Islam and Islamism? Both groups are supposed to be, by nature and intellect, curious probing creatures. Yet when it comes to the mosque at Ground Zero and many other issues related to Islam, they don't seem to ask any questions and many don't want other to seek answers.

Many of these assumed liberal thinkers and journalists go so far as to call anyone questioning Islam bigots, intolerant and often; in their attempts to try and discuss the subject, they will shift the discussion and get off point entirely by bringing some irrelevant philosophical view into the arena.

This is an excellent op-ed piece on the proposed mosque at Ground Zero.

http://article.nationalreview.com/439029/the-taboo-of-the-intellectuals/clifford-d-may


This also applies to many other questions the Liberal elite choose to ignore.

One example; why are we not allowed to see Obama's Birth certificate?

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If you want to get into religion bashing and use selected excerpts of the Koran to back your case up, then you must be in favor, as a Christian, of killing everyone who has ever worked on a Saturday or a Sunday (depending on which you consider the sabbath) - after all, it's in the Bible (Exodus, 35:2)

Oh - you mean I'm picking something out of context?

And to the 'birthers', I'd simply say that if the State of Hawaii has certified it, the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii has vouched for it and the certified copy that WAS published isn't good enough, then NOTHING is good enough.

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This also applies to many other questions the Liberal elite choose to ignore.

One example; why are we not allowed to see Obama's Birth certificate?

a dead horse. BTW, where is GWB's military record, you know the one that proved he was awol for the last year of his "service"?

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At least Bush released his college records that proved that he had better grades the Kerry and Algore. Why won't they release Obuma's college records. What are they hiding???

And after they dig up Obama's college records maybe they can also dig up a real Birth Cetificate!!!

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Pathetic analogies.

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a dead horse. BTW, where is GWB's military record, you know the one that proved he was awol for the last year of his "service"?

At least he was in the service and not hiding like Bill Clinton.

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If you want to get into religion bashing and use selected excerpts of the Koran to back your case up, then you must be in favor, as a Christian, of killing everyone who has ever worked on a Saturday or a Sunday (depending on which you consider the sabbath) - after all, it's in the Bible (Exodus, 35:2)

Oh - you mean I'm picking something out of context?

And to the 'birthers', I'd simply say that if the State of Hawaii has certified it, the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii has vouched for it and the certified copy that WAS published isn't good enough, then NOTHING is good enough.

It is obvious to me that you are trying to divert this thread away from what is being discussed.

Without blaming Christianity or Bush, please tell us why in intelligent prose.

Yoda

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a dead horse. BTW, where is GWB's military record, you know the one that proved he was awol for the last year of his "service"?

Now tell us about Obama's military record.

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At least he was in the service and not hiding like Bill Clinton.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141485/bill-clinton-popular-barack-obama.aspx

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/141485/bill-clinton-popular-barack-obama.aspx

You don't understand human nature or history. Many people left office low in the ratings.(think Truman) and later became popular. Bush has only been out less then two years. With Obama in there, people are already missing "W"

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You don't understand human nature or history. Many people left office low in the ratings.(think Truman) and later became popular. Bush has only been out less then two years. With Obama in there, people are already missing "W"

to do with the fact that Clinton has used his time away from office to raise tens of millions of dollars for charities and to help victims of natural disasters. His foundation has provided millions for AIDS drugs for Africa, and many more causes. Somehow I don't think you'd give him credit for any of this.

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to do with the fact that Clinton has used his time away from office to raise tens of millions of dollars for charities and to help victims of natural disasters. His foundation has provided millions for AIDS drugs for Africa, and many more causes. Somehow I don't think you'd give him credit for any of this.

Clinton was a poor hillbilly when he left Arkansas and when he left the White House he became rich hillbilly. Anything that idiot does is for a reason, like a tax write- off like he did with his underwear.

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Clinton was a poor hillbilly when he left Arkansas and when he left the White House he became rich hillbilly. Anything that idiot does is for a reason, like a tax write- off like he did with his underwear.

with nonsense, and you did.

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with nonsense, and you did.

Leftist response. When intellectually bankrupt , ridicule the poster.

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Leftist response. When intellectually bankrupt , ridicule the poster.

just the childish response.

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just the childish response.
It bears repeating:
Leftist response. When intellectually bankrupt , ridicule the poster.

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If you want to get into religion bashing and use selected excerpts of the Koran to back your case up, then you must be in favor, as a Christian, of killing everyone who has ever worked on a Saturday or a Sunday (depending on which you consider the sabbath) - after all, it's in the Bible (Exodus, 35:2)

Oh - you mean I'm picking something out of context?

And to the 'birthers', I'd simply say that if the State of Hawaii has certified it, the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii has vouched for it and the certified copy that WAS published isn't good enough, then NOTHING is good enough.

This is a prime example of the original op/ed article I posted. To be honest, I'm not even sure what you any of the first paragraph has to do with the editorial. How birthers' got into my post is beyond me.

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This is a prime example of the original op/ed article I posted. To be honest, I'm not even sure what you any of the first paragraph has to do with the editorial. How birthers' got into my post is beyond me.

I think they call it drive-by posting. They come on here and respond quickly to every thread and then leave for the day. It is like they are on a ten minute break at work and try to squeeze as many posts as they can.
They go so fast that they forget which thread their in?

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It bears repeating:
Leftist response. When intellectually bankrupt , ridicule the poster.

target.

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target.
drive-by. Hit and run with no meaningful contributions.barf

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Pats: To be honest, calling an ex-president "a rich hillbilly" (and I was no fan of Clinton) pretty much shows you as ridiculing yourself.

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Pats: To be honest, calling an ex-president "a rich hillbilly" (and I was no fan of Clinton) pretty much shows you as ridiculing yourself.

I might have been a little facetious in my description of our disgraced ex-president, (though by many accounts, not much) but your attempt at ridiculing a fellow poster is duly noted.

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I was not attempting to ridicule you. I was pointing out what you were doing and you yourself just acknowledged you were being facetious.

Name-calling doesn't exactly score big in a debate.

I mean, I can only count 3 bills that he ever signed that I agreed with. I was no fan of Clinton. But he *did* go through law school, he *did* run a state and he *did* serve two terms as President (which says something - I'm not quite sure what - when you consider that GHWB served only one term but his son served two). This is just as when I defended Bush (the younger) when people called him an idiot. The guy DID fly jets. I don't care if they were a model or two obsolete. I've taken flying lessons and ANY kind of military jet is more than a handful.

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I was not attempting to ridicule you. I was pointing out what you were doing and you yourself just acknowledged you were being facetious.

Name-calling doesn't exactly score big in a debate.

I mean, I can only count 3 bills that he ever signed that I agreed with. I was no fan of Clinton. But he *did* go through law school, he *did* run a state and he *did* serve two terms as President (which says something - I'm not quite sure what - when you consider that GHWB served only one term but his son served two). This is just as when I defended Bush (the younger) when people called him an idiot. The guy DID fly jets. I don't care if they were a model or two obsolete. I've taken flying lessons and ANY kind of military jet is more than a handful.
Well, I will give Willy credit for having some executive experience, unlike the present occupier of WH who has no experience or aptitude for leadership.

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That is certainly one area where I can agree with you. My first concern, beyond policies that I may have disagreed with, was the fact that Obama didn't have a lot of experience "inside the beltway" - not that it's necessarily bad but I believed it was a risk that other Hardcore Beltway Insiders would be able to exert undue influence.