Why do so many so called academics and journalists refuse to have a serious or honest discussion about Islam and Islamism? Both groups are supposed to be, by nature and intellect, curious probing creatures. Yet when it comes to the mosque at Ground Zero and many other issues related to Islam, they don't seem to ask any questions and many don't want other to seek answers.

Many of these assumed liberal thinkers and journalists go so far as to call anyone questioning Islam bigots, intolerant and often; in their attempts to try and discuss the subject, they will shift the discussion and get off point entirely by bringing some irrelevant philosophical view into the arena.

This is an excellent op-ed piece on the proposed mosque at Ground Zero.

http://article.nationalreview.com/43...clifford-d-may

me if this video is factual? This should be mandatory viewing.

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Originally Posted by Pats2010

me if this video is factual? This should be mandatory viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0dea...layer_embedded

There was nothing in that video that I had not already learned elsewhere. I have also read the Koran, a few times.

I recommend that you investigate this yourself.

Yoda

Originally Posted by Yoda

There was nothing in that video that I had not already learned elsewhere. I have also read the Koran, a few times.

I recommend that you investigate this yourself.

Yoda

I'm impressed.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Why do so many so called academics and journalists refuse to have a serious or honest discussion about Islam and Islamism? Both groups are supposed to be, by nature and intellect, curious probing creatures. Yet when it comes to the mosque at Ground Zero and many other issues related to Islam, they don't seem to ask any questions and many don't want other to seek answers.

Many of these assumed liberal thinkers and journalists go so far as to call anyone questioning Islam bigots, intolerant and often; in their attempts to try and discuss the subject, they will shift the discussion and get off point entirely by bringing some irrelevant philosophical view into the arena.

This is an excellent op-ed piece on the proposed mosque at Ground Zero.

http://article.nationalreview.com/43...clifford-d-may

This also applies to many other questions the Liberal elite choose to ignore.

One example; why are we not allowed to see Obama's Birth certificate?

If you want to get into religion bashing and use selected excerpts of the Koran to back your case up, then you must be in favor, as a Christian, of killing everyone who has ever worked on a Saturday or a Sunday (depending on which you consider the sabbath) - after all, it's in the Bible (Exodus, 35:2)

Oh - you mean I'm picking something out of context?

And to the 'birthers', I'd simply say that if the State of Hawaii has certified it, the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii has vouched for it and the certified copy that WAS published isn't good enough, then NOTHING is good enough.

Originally Posted by cashman

This also applies to many other questions the Liberal elite choose to ignore.

One example; why are we not allowed to see Obama's Birth certificate?

a dead horse. BTW, where is GWB's military record, you know the one that proved he was awol for the last year of his "service"?

At least Bush released his college records that proved that he had better grades the Kerry and Algore. Why won't they release Obuma's college records. What are they hiding???

And after they dig up Obama's college records maybe they can also dig up a real Birth Cetificate!!!

Pathetic analogies.

Originally Posted by actor

a dead horse. BTW, where is GWB's military record, you know the one that proved he was awol for the last year of his "service"?

At least he was in the service and not hiding like Bill Clinton.

Originally Posted by djplong

If you want to get into religion bashing and use selected excerpts of the Koran to back your case up, then you must be in favor, as a Christian, of killing everyone who has ever worked on a Saturday or a Sunday (depending on which you consider the sabbath) - after all, it's in the Bible (Exodus, 35:2)

Oh - you mean I'm picking something out of context?

And to the 'birthers', I'd simply say that if the State of Hawaii has certified it, the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii has vouched for it and the certified copy that WAS published isn't good enough, then NOTHING is good enough.

It is obvious to me that you are trying to divert this thread away from what is being discussed.

Without blaming Christianity or Bush, please tell us why in intelligent prose.

Yoda

Originally Posted by actor

a dead horse. BTW, where is GWB's military record, you know the one that proved he was awol for the last year of his "service"?

Now tell us about Obama's military record.

Originally Posted by Pats2010

At least he was in the service and not hiding like Bill Clinton.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141485/bi...ack-obama.aspx

Originally Posted by actor

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141485/bi...ack-obama.aspx

You don't understand human nature or history. Many people left office low in the ratings.(think Truman) and later became popular. Bush has only been out less then two years. With Obama in there, people are already missing "W"

Originally Posted by Pats2010

You don't understand human nature or history. Many people left office low in the ratings.(think Truman) and later became popular. Bush has only been out less then two years. With Obama in there, people are already missing "W"

to do with the fact that Clinton has used his time away from office to raise tens of millions of dollars for charities and to help victims of natural disasters. His foundation has provided millions for AIDS drugs for Africa, and many more causes. Somehow I don't think you'd give him credit for any of this.