I'm Scared

[Investment Painting Contractors]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len

[Two Bills]

I have given up on all the news reports and following the 'numbers' game.
Try to keep ourselves clear of the bug by observing relevant precautions when out, apart from that just keep ourselves occupied.
I am in the early stages of trying to fathom out Sidoku.
Now there are numbers to confuse anyone!

[Investment Painting Contractors]

I have given up on all the news reports and following the 'numbers' game.
Try to keep ourselves clear of the bug by observing relevant precautions when out, apart from that just keep ourselves occupied.
I am in the early stages of trying to fathom out Sidoku.
Now there are numbers to confuse anyone!

No wonder people are hoarding Popcorn and Toilet Paper.

[graciegirl]

I have given up on all the news reports and following the 'numbers' game.
Try to keep ourselves clear of the bug by observing relevant precautions when out, apart from that just keep ourselves occupied.
I am in the early stages of trying to fathom out Sidoku.
Now there are numbers to confuse anyone!

Two Bills. I so agree.

[shut the front door]

The numbers aren't accurate anyway. I have several friends who have tested positive 2 or 3 times in the last 10 days. Each of their tests counts as a "new case". I ignore these numbers and only concern myself with the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths, which are WAY DOWN.

[vintageogauge]

Coleman shows over 700 cases, the population of coleman is 800 people, there is no way 700 of them are positive. These figures do not include the Federal Prison in Coleman where their population along with the county facility in Bushnell have a total of 800 cases. Something is not correct in the published figures.

[asianthree]

My Mom got the phone call she tested Positive..She didn’t have the test, but it’s nice to know the tests are done telepathically.:faint:

So who’s results did she get.

[Altavia]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len

As covered this thread, that information is misleading and incorrect. The Villages continues to have among the lowest infection rates in the country. People here overall are doing a good job.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/spike-villages-covid-cases-313376/

[Debfrommaine]

Know of someone who waited in a car line to get tested, filled out the paperwork and handed it to the processor. Decided they could not wait the hour and had to leave (this was a few months ago) before the test could be done. They got their call they were positive.

[Girlcopper]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len
Thats nothing new. Who cares if there is a 100 or 500 increase. Take care of yourself and you wont be part of the numbers

[camaguey48]

The deception continues and we, like sheep, are willing participants.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Edward R. Murrow.

[banjobob]

Covid deaths are still headline mat,erial, sad but the whole virus fear mongering has too many people afraid to live life. If you have health issues protect yourself and do what you believe is safe, let others alone.

[kenoc7]

The deception continues and we, like sheep, are willing participants.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Edward R. Murrow.
Repetition doesn't make it right. Following public health safety measures for the good of all doesn't make people sheep or risk a government of wolves. Apparently you don't care that over 250,000 Americans have died of COVID-19.

[DrBrutyle109]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you???

Len
Makes sense. If you’re scared, stay home.

[woderfulwendy1]

Total deaths YTD in Sumter County since this began, 92. Majority of TV is in Sumter County.

[CalMar]

And we need to question that number as well. Be safe everyone but live well.

[NotGolfer]

Have y'all noticed the way the headlines read? Take a look as they have the hook that reads something like this..."Cases of Covid Soar". Doctor's will tell you that each patient is a case....each test is a case, but they'll also say that the tests aren't reliable. At least that's the "news" that I've been hearing. Each time a person gets tested they're counted. Now for the deaths....did the patient actually die "from" Covid or did they die with it along with other issues? I stopped reading those articles long ago. IF you have issues then you know what to do about it. Don't go out where there "might" be crowds. IF you don't feel well, stay home.

[Mohawksin]

The numbers aren't accurate anyway. I have several friends who have tested positive 2 or 3 times in the last 10 days. Each of their tests counts as a "new case". I ignore these numbers and only concern myself with the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths, which are WAY DOWN.

Bill Gates is quoted as saying, 'The COVID data is all garbage.' I'm with Bill.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

I am not ‘scared’ - throughout my life - I have lived with risks more severe than a virus. Even if COVID is eradicated- there will always be another virus, another threat/danger, another risk to your life out there (you can never escape death)! I am not ready to end my life and stay locked up with no human contact! I want to live and have purpose. I want to see and hear people laugh and enjoy life - I want to be there when people want to celebrate, I want to be there when people need a shoulder to cry on—— despite all the dangers that will *always* be lurking in the background. I moved to The Villages - because I felt people here have encountered many risks and potential threats in their lives and would face this risk with the same precautions and strengths that got them thru the risks they have encountered and battled for decades. If you want - stay locked up. But -please - show the same respect to those who choose living and are taking necessary precautions. YES - we can live our lives as humans - despite consistent threats - we have been doing that for decades and we are still here!!!! I do not want to stay locked up in my home - as a human, human interaction is critical to living. To me - being locked up with no human contact is only an expensive alternative to a coffin.

[Lindaws]

The majority have died of other causes. COVID maybe a secondary cause but
dr’s told to list C. as primary.

[DonnaNi4os]

The deception continues and we, like sheep, are willing participants.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Edward R. Murrow.

Perhaps if you knew people who died of this disease you would take it more seriously. Sadly some people will deny it until it touches them or someone they love. I hope you never are in that situation, but to deny the seriousness of this worldwide pandemic is foolish and so hurtful to those who have lost a loved one to COVID-19.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

LOL! local google educated epidemiologist declares the professional testing services numbers inaccurate because he doesn't have enough rows on the in house abacus. Same epidemiologist declares the best course of action is to assume the ostrich position as the local ground is very sandy, therefore breathable. Best stick to golf strokes by hole with that abacus. And yes, a highly infectious respiratory disease within a very closed environment for a very long time should infect a very high proportion of the population, but then again, check on that medical research you have done in the past to be sure.

For all you google experts. . . Testing sites counts tests and publish test results. That's their job, they are professionals, but being run by humans, of which you are a member, they like you, make an occasional error. However, they being professionals, are much less likely to make a mistake than you are.

Hospitals count patients, That's their job, they are professionals, but being run by humans, of which you are a member, they like you, make an occasional error. However, they being professionals, are much less likely to make a mistake than you are.

So, wrong or inaccurate, nice ostrich position. each source has a different reporting point of view, and the two views have different interpretations, so learn the difference and respect their professional services. You can certainly decline medical services if you think the test results are accurate enough for your judgement.

Biases Make People Vulnerable to Misinformation Spread by Social Media - Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/biases-make-people-vulnerable-to-misinformation-spread-by-social-media/) just might be written by researchers with more expertise and information than you, but don't let facts and researchers influence your control over your 2,000 sq ft kingdom.

Monty Hall(?) "Lets make a deal" math problem, -> Contestant pick a door of 3. . . Contestant picks door, Monty offers a choice to switch, do you? If you can't explain the best probabilistic answer and why, you might want to think about your ability to criticize/judge testing counts versus patient counts.

You can go back and read some of my/our posts explaining the differences and why, as coachk does a medical system data analytics as a professional, trying to make a difference in your life's outcome, and for the doctors and the state and federal reporting, and the system design with work flows to get the data correct for the best outcome if you need medical services.

So, dismissing professional data and professional health services as inaccurate or wrong, because you asked your neighbor, a nurse, or a practicing doctor who is an expert in patient diagnostics, please, next time you are at the doctor, and he goes over your results, please volunteer that you know better than his education and experience. He will be all ears. . .


sportsguy

[Beyond The Wall]

Repetition doesn't make it right. Following public health safety measures for the good of all doesn't make people sheep or risk a government of wolves. Apparently you don't care that over 250,000 Americans have died of COVID-19.

The CDCo just revised their quarantine days recommendation down to 7-10 days. REASON: people are more likely to comply! SCIENCE....NOT.
If you don’t feel good stay home and get medical action. If your out take whatever precautions you feel are necessary . Don’t rely on he government for help. They are only interested in themselves. :bigbow:

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Yes - I was talking to an ER doc and they had a patient come in with a severe and potentially life-threatening fall. The patient was tested for COVID - because they were being hospitalized. They tested positive - absolutely NO symptoms, however. If they had died due to the fall - the Dr would have had to state cause of death COVID. Amazing!! Just to show that we have encountered and had to endure similar threats in the past - my mom died in 2009 during the H1N1 virus outbreak. She had COPD and we had to take her to ER one day. She died of respiratory complications - could have been a result of H1N1 - but not tested for it and not reflected on her death certificate.... you see - we have been battling similar risks to our lives for as long as we have been on earth and life continues for the vast majority!

[mrf6969]

Both of my neighbors got COVID this month. Both are in their early 70's. Both staunch mask wearers. Both are very active in this community. No idea where they got it. No one they have been around has contracted it. They hunkered down for the recommended time as the good citizens that they are. They said it was like a cold with a slight fever at the early stage. Both feel great now and are out doing yard work and golfing this week. Both said they have been through much worse sicknesses during their lives. Their take on this from experience now is that if your relatively healthy and get COVID you will do well and be fine. That if you are in poor health just as the health experts have been saying, STAY HOME.
Life is all about personal choices. Control yourself and do what is right and best for you.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

One more story - I heard just yesterday- a couple went to get tested for COVID - they filled out the paper work and were waiting to have the tests done. The wait was long and they had to leave before having the test administered - due to another appointment. A week later - they received a letter stating that they both tested positive! I question the validity of all numbers being reported.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

We all know people who die and can convey the same sentiments that you have expressed in your message - I know many who have died of cancer, stroke, heart attack, car accidents, crime..... please - it is not a competition - where those of us who know more people who have died are more virtuous. I may know more people who have died of cancer than you - does that make my message..... my thoughts on preventing cancer something I need to demand that you adhere to?????

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

We all know loved ones who die and can convey the same sentiments that you have expressed in your message - I know many who have died of cancer, stroke, heart attack, car accidents, crime..... please - it is not a competition - where those of us who know more people who have died are more virtuous. I may know more people who have died of cancer than you - does that make my message..... my thoughts on preventing cancer something I need to demand that you adhere to?????

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len

I don't believe that except fo the number of home and residents, any kind of numbers records are kept for The Villages. The number of Covid cases are reported for the three counties, and the various towns in which The Villages lays.

I would guess that the 157 and 125 number are for the combined three counties. As far as I know, none of The Villages lies in Leesburg. The Villages takes up space in Lady Lake, Wildwood and Fruitland Park.

I wonder if a number like 157 contains both the county and the city thereby doubling those numbers.

[DecaturFargo]

I am surprised the numbers aren't greater and wouldn't be surprised if they fudge the numbers. Too many irresponsible and selfish people ignore the CDC guidelines, thus infecting those if us who sre doing the right things..

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Perhaps if you knew people who died of this disease you would take it more seriously. Sadly some people will deny it until it touches them or someone they love. I hope you never are in that situation, but to deny the seriousness of this worldwide pandemic is foolish and so hurtful to those who have lost a loved one to COVID-19.

I have an uncle that supposedly died of Covid-19. He was in the hospital for another infection. While there he fell and broke his hip. He was sent to rehabilitation where he was told that he tested positive for Covid. He died a few days later. He was 93 years old so it's possible that he simply died of natural causes.

My brother who is 61 tested positive as did his son. They are both fine. They've had minor cold like symptoms and are now fully recovered.

[jbrown132]

Repetition doesn't make it right. Following public health safety measures for the good of all doesn't make people sheep or risk a government of wolves. Apparently you don't care that over 250,000 Americans have died of COVID-19.
The hysteria over Covid 19 has been and continues to be created by the main stream media. Yes, over 250,000 people have reportedly died from Covid but have the really all died from this virus. John Hopkins University recently published an article titled “A Closer Look at U.S. deaths due to Covid 19. I trust John Hopkins as it is one of the best hospitals in the country if not the world and they have no political axe to grind and no agenda. The article pretty much states there has been no uptick in the percentage of deaths for any age group and especially seniors do to this virus. Meaning that the older people who have reportedly died from Covid would most likely have died from whatever underlying causes they may have had. You can find the article at jhunewsletter.com published Nov 22, 2020. We need to stop being lead by the noses by a news media that only cares about ratings and their agenda.

[ldivens]

Fear is not good for your immune system. Stop reading about Covid stop watching the news take it seriously but if you live in fear your will surely get sick with something. If someone tests positive more than once it pads the numbers, hospitals everywhere get money for Covid deaths so the more the more money. Stay safe

[Marine1974]

We are living in age where people make things up to get attention. When your tested they ask for your phone number address, insurance information . People not being tested and getting phone calls that they tested positive, really ? I have been tested twice and both were negative .

[thecinks1@gmail.com]

kenoc7 Your post is a perfect example of the INTOLERANCE on display in today's America! The poster voiced disagreement with the restrictions (sometimes severe) being mandated by some in government. Your reply (""Apparently you don't care that over 250,000 Americans have died of COVID-19. "") was completely unnecessary and utterly unfair!

[sooziesoul]

Those 250,000 did NOT all die from COVID! Do you know that in 2019 that there were over 3,000,000. deaths in this country????People die from a lot of different causes each year! We ALL are going to die at some point!!!

[davem4616]

I read about the 157 and was concerned

Then I realized that we play it safe

Take control, play it safe...we all know what to do

[merrymini]

If you want to hand your life over the the corrupt media and people who lie who wish to lead you by the nose to the slaughter, go right ahead. Do not expect me to follow. Show some guts.

[EviesGP]

I suspect that those waiting in line are checked in, and listed on a sheet(sequentially), and proceed to the tester(in line). But, when they unexpectedly depart the line, they are not crossed off the sheet (i.e. the checker isn't aware they left?), so the tester may be doing the swabs and recording them(sequentially)? Hence, the mix-ups? I'm not saying it's okay, but perhaps a flaw in procedure?

[airstreamingypsy]

All of you who don't wear masks, and think it's a hoax, and the numbers don't matter........ will care if you have a stroke or heart attack or get in a car wreck and there's no room for you at the hospital.

[LG999]

I am not scarred.
I am not scarred because I do not believe any of the numbers have been accurate and are not accurate now. I dont expect them to ever be accurate. I believe the numbers to be highly overstated. Monitoring them constantly will make you crazy.

I do not believe ppl really know what they are talking about when speaking about the virus. It is very easy to misinterpret statistics.

Also, in case you do get sick, there are good medications available now just as there for all tbe other illnesses we might get.

I suggest you just take reasonable precautions and stay home or outside most of the time. Anxiety lowers your immune system. As does all negative thoughts. You might try bolstering your immune system by getting enough sleep, good nutrien, exercise, and keeping yourself on the “sunny side of the street”. Call/communicate with friends/family even if you choose not to see them. Wash your hands & face often.

When you do go into an indoor public space, take some personal precautions. I do wear a mask & plastic gloves when in grocery stores or similar situations but mostly bcs other ppl are upset. I have always taken precautions not to touch anything in public places for as long as I can remember. Never touch your face without washing your hands first.

Most or all of this you have heard before. It is nerve racking, but you are not alone.

[La lamy]

One more story - I heard just yesterday- a couple went to get tested for COVID - they filled out the paper work and were waiting to have the tests done. The wait was long and they had to leave before having the test administered - due to another appointment. A week later - they received a letter stating that they both tested positive! I question the validity of all numbers being reported.

I read that they consider you 'positive' if you filled out the papers without getting the test because you have to assume you had reasons to think you may have Covid if you wanted a test in the first place. It certainly doesn't represent facts, but I kinda get the logic.

[ruralgoddess]

No wonder people are hoarding Popcorn and Toilet Paper.

Sounds painful

[ruralgoddess]

The numbers aren't accurate anyway. I have several friends who have tested positive 2 or 3 times in the last 10 days. Each of their tests counts as a "new case". I ignore these numbers and only concern myself with the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths, which are WAY DOWN.
Are your friends ok? Quarantining?

[ruralgoddess]

The hysteria over Covid 19 has been and continues to be created by the main stream media. Yes, over 250,000 people have reportedly died from Covid but have the really all died from this virus. John Hopkins University recently published an article titled “A Closer Look at U.S. deaths due to Covid 19. I trust John Hopkins as it is one of the best hospitals in the country if not the world and they have no political axe to grind and no agenda. The article pretty much states there has been no uptick in the percentage of deaths for any age group and especially seniors do to this virus. Meaning that the older people who have reportedly died from Covid would most likely have died from whatever underlying causes they may have had. You can find the article at jhunewsletter.com published Nov 22, 2020. We need to stop being lead by the noses by a news media that only cares about ratings and their agenda.

Those who ignore the lessons of history...... are doomed to repeat them. i prefer to err yo the dide of caution.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

The numbers aren't accurate anyway. I have several friends who have tested positive 2 or 3 times in the last 10 days. Each of their tests counts as a "new case". I ignore these numbers and only concern myself with the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths, which are WAY DOWN.

You are right, that's why it's better to look at the positivity rates from "First time positive" tests which are shown on Home | Florida Department of Health COVID-19 Outbreak (https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/)

You are also right that deaths are way down, which is good news probably meaning either the virus is becoming less virulent, medical care is getting better, or infected people are getting a lower dose of the inoculate perhaps because they are following guidelines.

As for hospitalizations, though, I believe they are up, not down.

[MandoMan]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len

If you read on in the “article” about the “Massive Spike” mentioned, you will find these sentences: “It’s unclear if all these cases were identified from Sunday to Monday, as the overall number of cases across the tri-county area aren’t showing as large of an increase. Given the history of data reported by the Florida Department of Health, it’s likely that these cases hadn’t yet been reported and actually reflect the actual numbers in the various tri-county communities, many of which also experienced significant jumps in the number of cases.” That is to say, for all we know, this may be several days of numbers combined, and they may not even be in The Villages. Of course, that didn’t stop them from reporting it as a “Massive Spike.”

I’ve found the reports in this online “paper” difficult to follow. It isn’t always easy to figure out when the reporter is talking about just The Villages, or when about “the Tri-County Area,” which is about, what, 750,000 people? It would be so helpful if this information were always given in charts and graphs, in the same format every day.

While I do look at this online whatever it is every morning, I find it infuriating. It is primarily what we call “click-bait.” It exists to get us to deliberately or accidentally click on other things, and if we do, that makes the owner money. That’s why it is free. The writing is horrible, and I may wait thirty seconds for the rest of an article to load, then it turns out to be one more sentence. Or maybe there is no more. Why does it take so long when I have super-fast internet speed? Because all the ads have to load before the rest of the article loads. That’s where the money comes from!

Most of it seems to be police reports. What I like about that is that I learn that most crime in the area is NOT in The Villages, but is committed by drug addicts, members of minority groups, and young people. Arrests in The Villages seems to be mainly the grown children of residents. So this online thing makes me feel safe. I AM safe! I’m so glad of that.

I wish someone could start some online thing that has similar news, but with much better writing and no ads.

By the way, a couple times I have written in to ask a question about how to do something. I’ve always received in seconds an e-mailed promise of an answer within two days, but I’ve never received an answer. Not once. So what about those “Letters to the editor” that get published? I suspect that a lot more letters are received, but the editor mostly publishes little crank letters on both sides that will get people riled up or make them roll their eyes.

How about this headline from yesterday? “9.5 percent of tri-county children tested suffering from COVID-19 virus”. If you aren’t careful, you might think that means that 9.5% of the children in the tri-county area HAVE the virus. Actually, it means 9.5% OF THOSE TESTED. But what if there are 200,000 children in that area, but only 100 were tested? Generally they won’t be tested at all unless they show symptoms or someone in their family or one of their close friends has come down with it. I would expect much higher numbers in this group than among the general population. It would be quite different if, say, all the children in an entire school were tested, and 9.5% were found to have the virus. But that’s not what is going on. Also, that word “suffering”. Given that such a large percentage of young people seem to have asymptomatic cases, are they “suffering”? If I catch this disease, THAT is the sort of suffering I want: a kind I don’t notice.

[deestatham@aol.com]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len

I don’t even read any of it anymore. It’s all political BS.

[Curtisbwp]

I think it is the person who authored the article who is confused.

[PugMom]

you're scared? good! that's the whole point of this massive social experiment. it was a goal to frighten you :popcorn:

[bobnyce]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len

None of the COVID-19 numbers make sense. I think they count every positive test as a new case even if the same person tests positive 3, 4, or 5 times. Therefore can we trust any of these statistics.

You really need to read carefully, some include all of the three counties some only within the Villages. There is no continuity of facts here at all that is why no one trusts the stats. My two cents.

[Byte1]

I can understand and empathize with those on here that are confused after reading, watching or listening to the news. If you are allowing a bunch of differing opinions influence your life when they can't even agree with each other, then you should be confused and alarmed. If you allow politicians to decide your lifestyle when they do not adhere to their own demands of you, then you should be confused and alarmed. Use your own common sense and gut feeling to dictate how you react to simple real facts. Yes, there is a virus and yes it can be deadly. So can the Flu and some childhood diseases. So can many other things that occur in life. Mass hysteria is prominent in the world today. Do not allow it to make you disregard your OWN reasoning. How can life be worthy if you have to imprison yourself in your homes, away from the rest of the world? Are you going to demand others conform to your fears, simply because you feel jealous that they are enjoying their lives without you? It is the ones making demands of others that are being selfish, not the other way around. We don't care if you lock yourselves up tight, in your homes. Sorry, but that ain't selfish, that's just minding our own business and letting you punish yourself if you wish. Don't act like you can dictate how we should protect others or even ourselves. The gov is bad enough without you all making impossible and tyrannical dictates. Simply put, mind your own business. If you wish to allow mass hysteria to rule you, keep it to yourself.


I was following the stats for several months, but now I hardly bother with them. It is obvious that the numbers are skewed with numbers that appear to be padded either intentionally or unintentional. Even as I attempt to follow the deaths, I find that almost ALL of the victims had other unrelated symptoms that could have been the actual cause of death. Does that mean I disregard the virus as a hoax? Of course not. I just refuse to panic and allow it to rule my life. And yes, I have had two family members that have passed that were tested positive. And it is my belief that both would have died anyway, from other debilitating illnesses. So, I am not ignoring the virus, just being pragmatic. It may or may not be the leading cause of death in these cases, but it sure is the leading cause of NEWS and blogs/forums.

Well, time to get some last minute shopping done for tomorrow's feast. Hope all of you can give thanks to GOD for your many years of good fortune. If not to GOD then at least to all your friends and family that also make one's life rich.

[Justus]

you're scared? good! that's the whole point of this massive social experiment. it was a goal to frighten you :popcorn:

Yep!

[Indydealmaker]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len
If you're trying to make sense out of the discrepancy, start by understanding that the news source to which you refer is anti-Villages.

[Pairadocs]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len


Exactly ! And "they" wonder WHY the citizens of our wonderful country and our wonderful community are loosing confidence in everything; our "leaders", our "expert" doctors and researchers, our elected officials, and even the ability to get a truthful report in something as simple as a newspaper ! The Villages paper has always "shaped" the news, but now you can't even find an ethical "news" paper.... that is the frightening part of all of this... no unbiased press is a very frightening step into ........

[newgirl]

The numbers aren't accurate anyway. I have several friends who have tested positive 2 or 3 times in the last 10 days. Each of their tests counts as a "new case". I ignore these numbers and only concern myself with the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths, which are WAY DOWN.

Not true!!!! Hospitals are hurting worse then before! Maybe it has not hit here yet, or people are going to Ocala hospital ( I would not go to the village hospital unless I was unconscious). But make no mistake, it is here and going to explode in next few weeks.

[golfing eagles]

Not true!!!! Hospitals are hurting worse then before! Maybe it has not hit here yet, or people are going to Ocala hospital ( I would not go to the village hospital unless I was unconscious). But make no mistake, it is here and going to explode in next few weeks.

Did you base that opinion on your psychic ability or did space aliens transmit it to you?

[Altavia]

The CDCo just revised their quarantine days recommendation down to 7-10 days. REASON: people are more likely to comply! SCIENCE....NOT.


Because most infections occur within 7 days and less than 2% of infections occur after 10 days.

The perfect is the enemy of the good enough.

[Sherry8bal]

Just more propaganda lies to upset the masses!!!

[Sherry8bal]

They only reported that it was COVID he died from because the hospital gets a bunch more money from Medicare!!

[Sherry8bal]

One more story - I heard just yesterday- a couple went to get tested for COVID - they filled out the paper work and were waiting to have the tests done. The wait was long and they had to leave before having the test administered - due to another appointment. A week later - they received a letter stating that they both tested positive! I question the validity of all numbers being reported.

This is happening all over the country. I don't know if it's on purpose to make their numbers look high so they can keep getting more money for this or what. It makes you distrust anything they say.

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

Reading the online paper today it was reported that there was a spike of 157 cases of Covid 19 in the Villages. Then I get my Leesburg Paper. The same reporter, reports that there is 125 new cases in the whole Tri County area. What happened to the other 37 cases? Wait it gets better. Then he reports that 94 of the cases are in Leesburg. As far as I know Leesburg is not part of the Villages.

I know I'm getting OLD but do these figures make sense to you??? Len

First of all, the numbers NEVER match. Plus, where are the FLU numbers??? You never hear of the flu anymore and those numbers are probably included with the WuhanChineseCoronaVirus numbers.

[petiteone]

Have y'all noticed the way the headlines read? Take a look as they have the hook that reads something like this..."Cases of Covid Soar". Doctor's will tell you that each patient is a case....each test is a case, but they'll also say that the tests aren't reliable. At least that's the "news" that I've been hearing. Each time a person gets tested they're counted. Now for the deaths....did the patient actually die "from" Covid or did they die with it along with other issues? I stopped reading those articles long ago. IF you have issues then you know what to do about it. Don't go out where there "might" be crowds. IF you don't feel well, stay home.
Depending on the test being administered, there can be false positives or false negatives. The tests need to get more specific to be accurate. The test takers need to know how to administer them correctly. As a health care professional, I have observed some shoddy technique.

[Bill14564]

This is happening all over the country. I don't know if it's on purpose to make their numbers look high so they can keep getting more money for this or what. It makes you distrust anything they say.

This being reported all over the country makes me wonder if it is actually happening. I haven't yet seen one that said, "I was just at a testing site...," it is always, "I read that..," or, "someone in the neighborhood...." Really makes me wonder if it is true or if it is a good story that gets passed around.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Those 250,000 did NOT all die from COVID! Do you know that in 2019 that there were over 3,000,000. deaths in this country????People die from a lot of different causes each year! We ALL are going to die at some point!!!


So far this year, 2.39 million Americans have died of all causes. At the same point in both 2018 and 2019, it was 2.17 million. The difference nearly matches the reported number of COVID-19 victims.

[Accidental1]

The numbers aren't accurate anyway. I have several friends who have tested positive 2 or 3 times in the last 10 days. Each of their tests counts as a "new case". I ignore these numbers and only concern myself with the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths, which are WAY DOWN.

I've seen several people post simlar comments like "hospitalizations and deaths, which are WAY DOWN", but I don't see that in the numbers that I'm looking at on the Florida dashboard. Can you share with me the source of the data that leads you to that conclusion?

Thank you.

[Johnsocat]

Repetition doesn't make it right. Following public health safety measures for the good of all doesn't make people sheep or risk a government of wolves. Apparently you don't care that over 250,000 Americans have died of COVID-19.
Here's some fun facts from CDC website:
Death rate in U.S. in 2018 and 2019 averages 7.8 million. With less than 2 months in 2020 death rate is 7.4 million.
Average recovery rate from Covid is 99%.

[Bill14564]

Here's some fun facts from CDC website:
Death rate in U.S. in 2018 and 2019 averages 7.8 million. With less than 2 months in 2020 death rate is 7.4 million.
Average recovery rate from Covid is 99%.

So using your numbers the average number of deaths per month in 2020 is about 700,000. Adding that to the 7.4M so far will make 8.1M for the entire year or about 300,000 higher than 2018 or 2019. At the current rate there should be about 300,000 Covid deaths by the end of the year. Your numbers align with what we are seeing.

You might also check your average recovery rate. The last information I could find puts the death rate in the US at about 2% which would mean a survival rate of 98%. Not everyone will have long-lasting effects but some will which means that depending on how you define "recovery" that rate is something less than 98%.

There is far too much misinformation and misleading "facts" being thrown around.

[paquino]

But you are following also - just a different corrupt media.

[Hifred]

We are living in age where people make things up to get attention. When your tested they ask for your phone number address, insurance information . People not being tested and getting phone calls that they tested positive, really ? I have been tested twice and both were negative .

I have read a lot of misinformation on this site regarding Covid 19. Please let us stick to medical facts and not just derogatory comments about the main stream media etc. Misinformation does not help people make good choices for themselves. It is important if you state an article says X then you should give the name and the date of the publication so everyone can read it. This ensures that each person can read for themselves and interpret. Misinformation about how covid 19 Cases are reported is rampant on this site. Multiple positive and negative cases are not counted multiple times. Health care workers get tested more than once. If you read the Florida Department of Health's website it explains how cases are counted. Please read and do not spread misinformation! Also when people give their phone number so they can be contacted sometimes the number they leave is not written correctly or is illegible so it is possible to receive a call with a result that may not be given to the correct person. Unfortunate but it happens.

If you have pneumonia and do not have Covid 19 cause of death is reported as pneumonia. If you have Covid 19 and it destroys the lungs causing pneumonia the death certificate reads pneumonia as a result of Covid 19. There is a lot of misinformation about contributing factors. You can have cancer and have a year to live but if you get covid and die in two weeks. You will be counted as Covid 19 because that is what killed you at the moment.

If you want to know how to determine the number of cases in The Villages go to the State of Florida Department of Health. Go to see Dashboard. At the bottom click on the zip code tab. Then click on the county of Sumter and take the numbers for zip code 32163 and 32162. Those are the Villages mail centers. Next click to Lake county and click on 32163. Then go to Marion county and click on 32162. In each case it gives you the number for those areas. Add up those numbers and you will get the number of Villagers who tested positive for Covid 19.

With Covid 19 - some people have mild symptoms, some have moderate symptoms and some have severe problems that require hospitalization. This in part is due to preexisting conditions but is also due to the immune response your body has. People with mild/moderate symptoms can have a strong immune response which can cause inflammation which damages nerve cells and other cells. See article COVID-19 Should Be Treated as an Acute Inflammatory Disease August 2020. Although some Covid 19 patients may not require hospitalization they can have lingering symptoms for many months. These people are called Long Haulers. Some people report numbness in fingers, difficulty with balance and tiredness months after having Covid 19.

Also people with Covid 19 can develop an unusual type of blood clot and although they may not need to go to the hospital for Covid they may end up stroking even if they are young or the clots can form organs. Read study results are published online Aug. 24 in the American Journal of Hematology. There is a lot on blood clotting and covid 19 on Harvard Medicine site and also on University of Michigan site.

This is a serious illness so it pays to be careful. Stay well rested, avoid large crowds, try to social distance, wear a mask and wash your hands often. Some people may feel good about continuing their regular activities. I have a history of heart surgeries and lung surgery so I avoid crowds at all costs. Everyone makes their own decisions and it is not a one size fits all. Good information is key to making your choices. So read medical articles or articles from reliable sources such as University health care systems and stop politicizing this issue.

[biker1]

No. Your numbers are wrong and your units are wrong. A "rate" would be something like 700 deaths PER 100,000 people. The total number of deaths in the US for the last couple of years have been around 2.8 million people. I don't know where you got the 7.8 million number (that you also erroneously called a "rate") but that number is most definitely not the number of people who died in 2018 or 2019.

Here's some fun facts from CDC website:
Death rate in U.S. in 2018 and 2019 averages 7.8 million. With less than 2 months in 2020 death rate is 7.4 million.
Average recovery rate from Covid is 99%.

[biker1]

I believe you are correct. I have seen a source that puts the "excess" deaths at about 10%, which is consistent with your numbers.

So far this year, 2.39 million Americans have died of all causes. At the same point in both 2018 and 2019, it was 2.17 million. The difference nearly matches the reported number of COVID-19 victims.

[jimjamuser]

So using your numbers the average number of deaths per month in 2020 is about 700,000. Adding that to the 7.4M so far will make 8.1M for the entire year or about 300,000 higher than 2018 or 2019. At the current rate there should be about 300,000 Covid deaths by the end of the year. Your numbers align with what we are seeing.

You might also check your average recovery rate. The last information I could find puts the death rate in the US at about 2% which would mean a survival rate of 98%. Not everyone will have long-lasting effects but some will which means that depending on how you define "recovery" that rate is something less than 98%.

There is far too much misinformation and misleading "facts" being thrown around.
Good, accurate post.

[biker1]

No it's not. The numbers are wrong. There aren't 7.4 million deaths per year. Cluelessness at it's best.

Good, accurate post.

[Carla B]

I have read a lot of misinformation on this site regarding Covid 19. Please let us stick to medical facts and not just derogatory comments about the main stream media etc. Misinformation does not help people make good choices for themselves. It is important if you state an article says X then you should give the name and the date of the publication so everyone can read it. This ensures that each person can read for themselves and interpret. Misinformation about how covid 19 Cases are reported is rampant on this site. Multiple positive and negative cases are not counted multiple times. Health care workers get tested more than once. If you read the Florida Department of Health's website it explains how cases are counted. Please read and do not spread misinformation! Also when people give their phone number so they can be contacted sometimes the number they leave is not written correctly or is illegible so it is possible to receive a call with a result that may not be given to the correct person. Unfortunate but it happens.

If you have pneumonia and do not have Covid 19 cause of death is reported as pneumonia. If you have Covid 19 and it destroys the lungs causing pneumonia the death certificate reads pneumonia as a result of Covid 19. There is a lot of misinformation about contributing factors. You can have cancer and have a year to live but if you get covid and die in two weeks. You will be counted as Covid 19 because that is what killed you at the moment.

If you want to know how to determine the number of cases in The Villages go to the State of Florida Department of Health. Go to see Dashboard. At the bottom click on the zip code tab. Then click on the county of Sumter and take the numbers for zip code 32163 and 32162. Those are the Villages mail centers. Next click to Lake county and click on 32163. Then go to Marion county and click on 32162. In each case it gives you the number for those areas. Add up those numbers and you will get the number of Villagers who tested positive for Covid 19.

With Covid 19 - some people have mild symptoms, some have moderate symptoms and some have severe problems that require hospitalization. This in part is due to preexisting conditions but is also due to the immune response your body has. People with mild/moderate symptoms can have a strong immune response which can cause inflammation which damages nerve cells and other cells. See article COVID-19 Should Be Treated as an Acute Inflammatory Disease August 2020. Although some Covid 19 patients may not require hospitalization they can have lingering symptoms for many months. These people are called Long Haulers. Some people report numbness in fingers, difficulty with balance and tiredness months after having Covid 19.

Also people with Covid 19 can develop an unusual type of blood clot and although they may not need to go to the hospital for Covid they may end up stroking even if they are young or the clots can form organs. Read study results are published online Aug. 24 in the American Journal of Hematology. There is a lot on blood clotting and covid 19 on Harvard Medicine site and also on University of Michigan site.

This is a serious illness so it pays to be careful. Stay well rested, avoid large crowds, try to social distance, wear a mask and wash your hands often. Some people may feel good about continuing their regular activities. I have a history of heart surgeries and lung surgery so I avoid crowds at all costs. Everyone makes their own decisions and it is not a one size fits all. Good information is key to making your choices. So read medical articles or articles from reliable sources such as University health care systems and stop politicizing this issue.

Thank you for a sensible reasonable post based on logic, not emotion.

[Hifred]

They only reported that it was COVID he died from because the hospital gets a bunch more money from Medicare!!

You do realize as of November 15, 2020 that they had El Paso prisoners helping to move dead bodies in Texas into refrigerated trucks and then had the national guard helping with the dead. So was the case in New York this past March. This is not a Medicare billing scheme. A lot of people are dying. More people than the population of the whole city of Richmond are gone. It is like a 911 occurring over and over.

There is something called viral load. If you wear a mask and other's wear a mask and you wash your hands frequently; if you get infected it is likely the viral load will be greatly reduced and you will have a mild rather than severe case of Covid 19. Exposure time and the amount of airborne particles are important factors in determining the viral load.

Please wear a mask to help stop the spread of Covid 19. Protect those who have pre-existing conditions.

[PugMom]

I am not ‘scared’ - throughout my life - I have lived with risks more severe than a virus. Even if COVID is eradicated- there will always be another virus, another threat/danger, another risk to your life out there (you can never escape death)! I am not ready to end my life and stay locked up with no human contact! I want to live and have purpose. I want to see and hear people laugh and enjoy life - I want to be there when people want to celebrate, I want to be there when people need a shoulder to cry on—— despite all the dangers that will *always* be lurking in the background. I moved to The Villages - because I felt people here have encountered many risks and potential threats in their lives and would face this risk with the same precautions and strengths that got them thru the risks they have encountered and battled for decades. If you want - stay locked up. But -please - show the same respect to those who choose living and are taking necessary precautions. YES - we can live our lives as humans - despite consistent threats - we have been doing that for decades and we are still here!!!! I do not want to stay locked up in my home - as a human, human interaction is critical to living. To me - being locked up with no human contact is only an expensive alternative to a coffin.

:clap2::clap2:

[PugMom]

I can understand and empathize with those on here that are confused after reading, watching or listening to the news. If you are allowing a bunch of differing opinions influence your life when they can't even agree with each other, then you should be confused and alarmed. If you allow politicians to decide your lifestyle when they do not adhere to their own demands of you, then you should be confused and alarmed. Use your own common sense and gut feeling to dictate how you react to simple real facts. Yes, there is a virus and yes it can be deadly. So can the Flu and some childhood diseases. So can many other things that occur in life. Mass hysteria is prominent in the world today. Do not allow it to make you disregard your OWN reasoning. How can life be worthy if you have to imprison yourself in your homes, away from the rest of the world? Are you going to demand others conform to your fears, simply because you feel jealous that they are enjoying their lives without you? It is the ones making demands of others that are being selfish, not the other way around. We don't care if you lock yourselves up tight, in your homes. Sorry, but that ain't selfish, that's just minding our own business and letting you punish yourself if you wish. Don't act like you can dictate how we should protect others or even ourselves. The gov is bad enough without you all making impossible and tyrannical dictates. Simply put, mind your own business. If you wish to allow mass hysteria to rule you, keep it to yourself.


I was following the stats for several months, but now I hardly bother with them. It is obvious that the numbers are skewed with numbers that appear to be padded either intentionally or unintentional. Even as I attempt to follow the deaths, I find that almost ALL of the victims had other unrelated symptoms that could have been the actual cause of death. Does that mean I disregard the virus as a hoax? Of course not. I just refuse to panic and allow it to rule my life. And yes, I have had two family members that have passed that were tested positive. And it is my belief that both would have died anyway, from other debilitating illnesses. So, I am not ignoring the virus, just being pragmatic. It may or may not be the leading cause of death in these cases, but it sure is the leading cause of NEWS and blogs/forums.

Well, time to get some last minute shopping done for tomorrow's feast. Hope all of you can give thanks to GOD for your many years of good fortune. If not to GOD then at least to all your friends and family that also make one's life rich.
couldnt have said it better

[PugMom]

Thank you for a sensible reasonable post based on logic, not emotion.

unless you consider the media IS the cause of so much distrust, then it becomes pertinent to the conversation. just sayin'

[WhoDat]

I think they are using Dominion software to track the test results.