Just lost the ninth person I know to COVID 19

[eweissenbach]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

[Taltarzac725]

Thanks. The first death in the Villages was a woman named Carol who lived a few hundred feet from where I would sometimes cat and dog sit. This was in Winifred. Probably around April of 2020.

At 84 years young, she was a small but mighty package of boundless energy, beautiful intentions, a massive heart and a “get it done” attitude. This is from the online article by the other Villages news site.

[Toymeister]

OP are you from New York?

I am not. I know of no one directly or friends of them who has perished from covid, had it or tested positive

None.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My brother and his sone both tested positive and had very mild symptoms and are now negative with no after effects.

I did have an uncle who die with Covid but he was 93 years old. He went into the hospital for another issue and got it while he was in there. I don't know if Covid caused his death or if it was the original issue.

The numbers however don't lie. About 90% of the people that get Covid will experience mild to moderate symptoms. About 7.5 % will experience severe symptoms and may have long lasting effects and about 2.5% will die.

Having said that however I look at it this way If you were given a jar of 100 jelly beans was was told that 90 of them were fine, seven of them would make you very sick and three of them would kill you, would you eat any of the jelly beans?

[eweissenbach]

OP are you from New York?

Kansas City Missouri north suburbs. Actually most of the nine people were from northwest Missouri rural.

[shut the front door]

My brother and his sone both tested positive and had very mild symptoms and are now negative with no after effects.

I did have an uncle who die with Covid but he was 93 years old. He went into the hospital for another issue and got it while he was in there. I don't know if Covid caused his death or if it was the original issue.

The numbers however don't lie. About 90% of the people that get Covid will experience mild to moderate symptoms. About 7.5 % will experience severe symptoms and may have long lasting effects and about 2.5% will die.

Having said that however I look at it this way If you were given a jar of 100 jelly beans was was told that 90 of them were fine, seven of them would make you very sick and three of them would kill you, would you eat any of the jelly beans?

Actually, that number does lie. Numerous studies have suggested a much higher rate of asymptomatic cases. Fauci himself said 40% of cases are asymptomatic.

[canyonblue]

Having said that however I look at it this way If you were given a jar of 100 jelly beans was was told that 90 of them were fine, seven of them would make you very sick and three of them would kill you, would you eat any of the jelly beans?

I think you also summed up the response to getting the vaccine.

[stanley]

If you were given a jar of 100 jelly beans was was told that 90 of them were fine, seven of them would make you very sick and three of them would kill you, would you eat any of the jelly beans?

I've always used that analogy myself.

[manaboutown]

While I have used the Russian roulette scenario this virus can leave survivors seriously debilitated, sometimes for life. Amputation anyone? How about regular appointments on a dialysis machine? and more...

[Mortal1]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

that passed away from the flu, pneumonia, auto crashes. overdoses, etc. They are all serious and sad, but part of living on this planet. Take the precautions
you feel are right of you, but don't let these fear mongers dictate your actions.

There will always be some folks that lose more to various diseases and accidents than others...the universe doesn't care.

[eweissenbach]

that passed away from the flu, pneumonia, auto crashes. overdoses, etc. They are all serious and sad, but part of living on this planet. Take the precautions
you feel are right of you, but don't let these fear mongers dictate your actions.

There will always be some folks that lose more to various diseases and accidents than others...the universe doesn't care.

At least five of the people I referred to would likely have lived several more years but for COVID 19. They may have eventually died of flu, or pneumonia or an auto crash or overdose, etc., but would not have needed to die at this time. Frankly I find your argument to be insulting. “Fear mongers” are not dictating my actions; common sense and science are. Good luck to you.

[graciegirl]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

I am very sorry for your loss. We have lost two old friends from Cincinnati married to each other for a long time . We have know personally seven people who have survived it, some with hospitalization and some who were not affected greatly. One is our grandson who just got the all clear. He was feverish and had a headache but was able to work at his job remotely.

We are careful and vigilant as you so nicely ask. It is soon to be over and we will not soon forget it.

[ctmurray]

We know several people in the Villages that have tested positive. None died yet.

[tophcfa]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

Great post, thank you. I personally know 3 who have died from the virus, including our next door neighbor in the Villages. I also know several younger people who have contracted the virus, some with minor ailments and others who suffered through severe sickness and ongoing concerns of having to live the rest of their lives with nasty side effects. Please stay safe until the vaccine hopefully makes it safe again for people our age group.

[La lamy]

I know many people in The Villages who had it but seem to be fine now. One case that scared me is Tool's frontman Maynard Keenan (age 56, like me) who got it on tour in February and is still experiencing painful arthritis and lung damage months after the fact. Like the analogy of the jelly beans, you can't fully know how bad it may hit you. Better safe than sorry in my book.

[MandoMan]

OP are you from New York?

I am not. I know of no one directly or friends of them who has perished from covid, had it or tested positive

None.

Your situation may be unusual. My girlfriend’s parents both got it in Hobe Sound, Florida. Her father died a horrible death, and her mother survived, but with her dementia much worse. Two of her cousins in Florida have died of it. Many of her friends have tested positive, without having to be hospitalized. A friend’s son is 21 and was left with a serious heart arrhythmia. Oddly, none of MY friends or relatives have tested positive yet. Just hers.

[nick demis]

I know how everyone says that the numbers don't lie, but they do lie. How is it that on the average 200,000 people die of the flue every year but this past year it has been almost 0. I would love to get some true numbers and not what the fear mongers want you to believe.

[Sabella]

I know how everyone says that the numbers don't lie, but they do lie. How is it that on the average 200,000 people die of the flue every year but this past year it has been almost 0. I would love to get some true numbers and not what the fear mongers want you to believe.

Right on Nick. Imagine most people think the government statements, the pharmaceutical companies and the science being spouted is mostly the truth? I guess ignorance is bliss.

[jonathanb]

It is all very sad. I know one who died and 4 who had it and are now fine. The question for us is not that we don’t take it seriously, we do, but how are we going to live our lives? We wear masks in public and social distance but we have decided to go see our grandchildren for Christmas. Guess it depends on how you individually feel on a risk/ reward basis. I could not go and die anyway. It’s not wrong or right it is an individual decision.

[merrymini]

I know how everyone says that the numbers don't lie, but they do lie. How is it that on the average 200,000 people die of the flue every year but this past year it has been almost 0. I would love to get some true numbers and not what the fear mongers want you to believe.

Media loves to scare people. Apparently, covid has wiped out the regular flu because it appears the regular flu has disappeared.

[HeleneGB]

A neighbor of mine in Pine Ridge was lost to covid recently. I dont understand those who are not cautious.

[Bjeanj]

Media loves to scare people. Apparently, covid has wiped out the regular flu because it appears the regular flu has disappeared.

Not sure that’s an apples to apples comparison.

We are just now going into the flu season, so fatalities may still occur. However, many people have gotten their flu shot, which should minimize/eliminate death rates.

Until this past week, no one has received a COVID vaccine, which we anticipate should minimize/eliminate death rates, which now stands at over 300,000.

[Love2Swim]

A former coworker died recently, the daughter of a coworker had the virus, and two close friends battled Covid for almost 6 months. They've finally recovered. I take it very seriously.

[ts12755]

96% of those that die from Covid already have severe underlying illness. Most were already knocking on deaths door. Covid got them in.

And I pray young folks still desiring to have children aren't forced to take the vaccine. It will be years before we see the birth defects caused by the vaccine.

[Girlcopper]

At least five of the people I referred to would likely have lived several more years but for COVID 19. They may have eventually died of flu, or pneumonia or an auto crash or overdose, etc., but would not have needed to die at this time. Frankly I find your argument to be insulting. “Fear mongers” are not dictating my actions; common sense and science are. Good luck to you.
You dont know if they would have passed now or 2 days from now. No one knows. Your argument has no basis. I agree with the poster to just live life until your time comes

[vinricci]

And how many flu deaths this year? Or are they being lumped in with Covid?

[kkimball]

You dont know if they would have passed now or 2 days from now. No one knows. Your argument has no basis. I agree with the poster to just live life until your time comes

With that logic, drunk driving should be legal. Sure, some people will die, but they could have died 2 days later.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

I am very sorry for your loss.

No one escapes death. You never know when it will happen - but, it will happen.

In late 2009, my mom was suffering from an illness - we anticipated her death sooner than later due to the illness. She was still living in her own home taking care of herself. I spent mornings and evenings with her. She contracted H1N1 flu-like symptoms - and had to be hospitalized - and died the same evening - as she was telling the nurse that she was having a hard time breathing. Folks, we will ALWAYS have some strain of a flu or virus lurking. The weak and vulnerable - thru history - have always been popular targets.

I am doing all I can - eat well, maintain a low weight, exercise every day, stay away from carcinogens, sweets and alcohol....I also always wear a mask in public (to protect myself). I am not perfect - I know I will die - I know that as I age, I become more vulnerable. Today - may be my day - there are still 17 more hours!

BTW - I know many people - all 50* who have tested positive for COVID. Only one had symptoms that prompted her to go get tested. My friend is a fitness and weight freak. She noticed she gained 2 lbs and felt ‘bloated’ - she weighs 96 lbs. - that was the extent of her symptoms! Her husband tested positive as well - zero - no - symptoms! I know people who have been tested for their jobs - results fluctuate - positive one day and negative the next. I could go on and on. People I know who have died - they were people already diagnosed with other health issues - or - people who liked to indulge in high fat, high sugar foods, alcohol - and who placed no priorities on physical activity.


We need to live life, we need purpose in life, we need face to face human engagement - we need to accept and come to peace w/the fact that we are all going to die- we need to do what we can (and help loved ones) to be less vulnerable to the flu/viruses that are always going to be lurking out there.

[MIskra]

I am sorry for your losses.

I know many people who have recovered from COVID in The Villages, but only one who died (with an underlying cause).

I am being religious in keeping myself healthy (staying away from other people, wearing a mask in public, washing hands, etc.), but I don't think I can live like this much longer once I receive the 2nd dose of the vaccine. At some point enough will be enough for me.

I could care less how other people decide to protect themselves (or not). I am only responsible for myself and have no desire to tell anyone else how to live their life.

[rlcooper70]

Over 50 news cases here in TV. And people are pretending that nothing is abnormal? Amazing. Only a few months until the vaccine and they can't stay safe.

[Bill14564]

I know how everyone says that the numbers don't lie, but they do lie. How is it that on the average 200,000 people die of the flue every year but this past year it has been almost 0. I would love to get some true numbers and not what the fear mongers want you to believe.

The numbers don't lie, people lie about the numbers. People pull numbers out of their nether regions when they are trying to make a point rather than actually looking for documented statistics.

In the US the of flu deaths per year is in the neighborhood of 30,000. The 2019-2020 flu season saw about 22,000 US deaths according to the CDC. I am still looking for 2020-2021 numbers but those are hard to find since we are just starting into that season. I suspect your "almost 0" number is due to incomplete data gathering.

[mydavid]

My step sister and he husband both in their 70's were admitted to the hospital with covid-19 she didn't make it, he was lucky and returned to an empty home. in some ways they both loss.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

I too was a casual acquaintance of the 1st Villages covid victim. My brother is currently in ICU after almost waiting too long to get medical attention and looks to be recovering. We hope his side effects are few. Bro in law was moderately ill with flu symptoms. We had to quarantine and get tested, negative. We're careful, don't take unnecessary risks and try to remember to respect distancing, but we're still out there. I'm so fortunate to be living in a place that's not suffocating our livelihoods. I think we can survive without adding hurt to those trying to support families.

[gbs317]

96% of those that die from Covid already have severe underlying illness. Most were already knocking on deaths door. Covid got them in.

And I pray young folks still desiring to have children aren't forced to take the vaccine. It will be years before we see the birth defects caused by the vaccine.

Vaccines to prevent the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) are perhaps the best hope for ending the pandemic. ....Mayo Clinic
Your statement about birth defects was driving me nuts so I’m looking all over medical websites and found none stating that the vaccine might or will cause birth defects. I did find lots of uninformed social media info stating the vaccine is bad and the cure is worse than the disease.
So I guess it’s who you want to believe... Well educated trained professionals or social media hacks.

[ddawson922]

I have a fellow realtor and pickleball player who died last night. Young man with 3 young sons. So sad. Just learned another realtor in hospital. (In OHIO) In the Villages I had 5 very close friends who tested positive, 3 of which ended up in the hospital. (Young 60's) Struggled but came home. Took a month before they felt normal. This virus is real and will have lasting effects on people's life!!

[DecaturFargo]

I am so sorry for your multiple losses. We know who is responsible. They will pay the price, including those here in TV who also have no honor.

[golfing eagles]

I am so sorry for your multiple losses. We know who is responsible. They will pay the price, including those here in TV who also have no honor.

Really?????? Who would that be????? The lab in Wuhan????? The Chinese government??? The Bilderberg group?????? God for creating viruses????? Or were you making a lame political statement??????

[davem4616]

To all of you that know no one that has tested positive for covid-19 or haven't lost anyone due to the virus...up until two weeks my wife and I were one of you.

unfortunately, no longer

We have a dear, dear friend that will succumb to Covid-19 any day now...we are not related, but he is as close to us as any cherished uncle would be. He was moved to Hospice yesterday. We would spend time with him every week. He was outgoing, active, a wonderful sense of humor, drove his own car, kept up on the world news, had his wits about him, was very active in our church, played it safe regarding the virus. He is 90 years old. Not a perfect figure of health, but for 90 in damn good shape. 2 weeks ago he started having difficulty breathing. His stepson took him to the hospital. He lived with a stepson and his wife, both immediately were tested and neither of them tested positive for Covid-19. He was placed in the covid-ward in the hospital and put on a ventilator. No one has been able to visit him, he wouldn't have been able to read a card if you sent it too him....he will pass without his children, siblings and close friends that love him even being able to hold his hand or whisper "I love you" in his ear.....

There will be no public funeral service immediately following like in the past for all of us that will mourn his passing, which will make it even more difficult to reach closure

Covid-19 sucks....it leaves a huge hole that yearns to be comforted.

[Guitarman1951]

Covid is worse than ever right now with 30 to 40 new cases a day in the Villages when before opening the squares it was only 4 or 5 a day. Yesterday the Villages had over 50 new cases and there were almost 150 in total with the surrounding towns. It's time to shut down the squares, the bars and forbid any large group gatherings for a short time until the vaccine is given here. At a minimum wearing masks as much as possible.

[Marine1974]

Another one who doesn’t care when somebody posts they know nine people who died from Covid 19 . Makes you wonder what happened in their lives that makes them so callous and so in compassionate souls .

[Marine1974]

There is no cure for an in compassionate heart towards others , is there ?

[applecruiser]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

So sorry to hear about the losses in your life. I truly wish people would take the risks more seriously - perhaps, as you said, they have not lost anyone to this virus. My husband and I went up to see the tree lighting at Spanish Springs and were blown away by the hundreds of people strolling around the square - with their children!!!- and NO ONE wearing a mask!!! What is wrong with people??? When I mentioned it to one person she replied “ well we were outside”. Outside - yes- but piled almost on top of each other - there was absolutely NO social distancing. We left and we saw many other people doing the same. I’m sure those without out masks would say - “ if u r not happy then leave”. I wish people would realize they are risking other people’ lives, not just being careless with their own. I only hope they never have to watch someone they know or love get this virus and deteriorate into death, it is devastating.

[forebubba]

Very well said.
Sad to say many would. Those who drink and drive, those who smoke, those who don't wear seatbelts, those who are young and feel invincible, and those whose still go to bars next to people they don't know.
I'll pass on the jelly beans thank you

[banjobob]

I agree where are the numbers on influenza deaths, the money is in claiming covid as the cause. Reported reporting as covid somehow pays more to hospital ? I am not restricting living in fear , I wear the mask as is socially required otherwise not concerned we gather with friends and others .

[pmken2]

People can do what they want, but yesterday in the Villages there were 50 cases, the most in a long time. All were in Sumter except fr a couple in Lake.

[golfing eagles]

People can do what they want, but yesterday in the Villages there were 50 cases, the most in a long time. All were in Sumter except fr a couple in Lake.

Is that a number for TV, or in all of Sumter County???? Big difference, especially considering the prison.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I think you also summed up the response to getting the vaccine.

The vaccines have been determined to be very safe and highly effective. The difference is, that if you don't eat any jelly beans you have no chance of getting the virus. If you don't take the vaccine you still have the same chances of getting the virus, getting sick from it and/or dying from it.

Are there risks with the vaccine? Maybe but they are very low and that risk has to be measured against the risk of getting the virus.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Actually, that number does lie. Numerous studies have suggested a much higher rate of asymptomatic cases. Fauci himself said 40% of cases are asymptomatic.

OK so 90% of the people that contract the virus will have very mild OR NO flu like symptoms. Is that better?

[jbrown132]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.
I am sorry for the loss of your friends and acquaintances. I agree with you that we must remain vigilant. I am not crazy religious but I remember a verse from the Bible, I think it’s in the book of Ezekiel and it says “ For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.” throughout this pandemic I have tried to live by those words. I wear my mask, I socially distance and avoid large crowds, I wash my hands and use hand sanitizer every time I come out of a store but I have gone on living. I still meet friends, take walks, play golf etc. but while practicing good habits. I have refused to let this pandemic rule my life or make me a prisoner in my own home. Just be safe out there but go on living.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

While I have used the Russian roulette scenario this virus can leave survivors seriously debilitated, sometimes for life. Amputation anyone? How about regular appointments on a dialysis machine? and more...

I believe that I covered that in my post.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I know how everyone says that the numbers don't lie, but they do lie. How is it that on the average 200,000 people die of the flue every year but this past year it has been almost 0. I would love to get some true numbers and not what the fear mongers want you to believe.

The number of flu cases and deaths have been way down this year because of all of the preventative actions and social distancing being done because of the pandemic.

People wearing masks, staying home, washing hands and staying six apart has pretty much ended the seasonal fly this year.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

96% of those that die from Covid already have severe underlying illness. Most were already knocking on deaths door. Covid got them in.

And I pray young folks still desiring to have children aren't forced to take the vaccine. It will be years before we see the birth defects caused by the vaccine.

I don't know that it's 96% but certainly many people are in a high risk category. I'm 69 years old and have coronary artery disease, high blood pressure and have recently been treated for prostate cancer. I have underlying conditions, but that doesn't mean that I'm on death's door.

That is why after the front line workers, people like me and many here in The Villages will probably be first in line to get the vaccine.

No one will be forced to take the vaccine and there is no evidence that it will cause birth defects. Did the polio vaccine cause birth defects? The smallpox vaccine? Measles, mumps or any other vaccines?

Talk about fear mongering. Stating that this vaccine or any other vaccine will cause birth defects or any other conditions is the real fear mongering.

[eweissenbach]

To those saying “just live life”, I say I hope to do just that, thank you. I have been living my life for the last several months, and, with God’s grace will for the foreseeable future. Living my life during a pandemic includes playing golf, getting out and walking, shopping when necessary, and visiting with kids and grandkids regularly at social distance. I wear a mask anytime I am around other people and take all the other recommended precautions. I also use my seatbelt, take my meds, try to eat a healthy diet, follow rules of the road, and exercise regularly. My life is full, and I look forward to the day I can relax some of the self imposed restrictions forced by this pandemic. Once again, I don’t listen to “fear mongering” and I don’t listen to idiotic conspiracy theories. If living ones life in fear means I don’t go to large gatherings, especially those with people who don’t think it necessary to take precautions, then I guess I’m guilty of being cautious. My life has been just fine for the last several months and I hope to continue to enjoy good health for several years to come. I hope all of you, whether you believe the science and the statistics or not, have a safe and happy holiday and 2021.

[Byte1]

I believe that the virus is real and dangerous. That said, I also believe that ALL the information and opinions on this thread are valid.
For instance, just about everyone knows someone that has died supposedly of the virus. I know of two that probably would have passed anyway, but died WITH the virus. I believe that there are as many false positive tests results as valid ones. I also believe that every time some is re-tested, it is counted as a new infection if it comes back positive. And some folks that receive positive results go back several times for testing until they get a negative result so that they can go back to work, etc. I am not discounting the validity of the virus, just the accuracy of the test. Apparently, the test is run up to 40 times before they consider it finished and valid, depending on how many times they have to run it to get a positive. If they run it 20 times and get a positive result, they are satisfied. If they run it 39 times before getting a positive, they are satisfied. If they run it 40 times or whatever limit they put on it, and get a negative result, then that is what is documented. The test was not conceived originally for this type of use. I am basing this on a couple of writings I have read, and I am not even close to being an expert. If this is true, then we may have hundreds of thousands that show a false positive. We also have many, many folks being counted several times as new infected.
That said, I wonder how many folks have been infected and will never know it because they have never had symptoms and have not been tested.
Example: when this first started, and before the mask wearing practice, I was at the hospital when they had their FIRST infected patient. I was sitting next to her for between 20 to 30 minutes, no masks being worn. She was admitted and hospitalized, and I waited in the waiting room for the person I transported to the hospital to be released. Never thinking more about it until much later, I wondered why I had not become infected or if I might have and not known it. Of course, I never bothered to be tested because I did not have any symptoms and did not see any reason to get tested. No one around me, family or friends or neighbors have become infected. I will mention that I know two that supposedly died WITH Covid. Neither of them have I seen in decades, so I had no contact with them when/if they were infected.
I take the virus seriously, but I do not live in hysteria and panic. Does that make me irresponsible? Maybe I do not worry so much about it because I have never had the Flu and I haven't suffered even a mild cold in at least over a decade. Do I take precautions to prevent my carrying it IF in contact when I go out shopping or to a restaurant? Yes. I am careful, but like everything else in moderation. I do not consider everyone around me to be infected. I do wash my hands frequently during the day, but I have been like this for many years, due to my travels. I social distance, but I have always practiced that. When this first started, I wore gloves, mask and eye protection, as well as long sleeved shirt. I used hand sanitizer consistently. Now, I only wear a mask when in a business, but not in a restaurant. I have adjusted to the information that I have accumulated over the year and have modified my behavior according to my pragmatism. I do not suggest that others do what I do and I do not criticize those that are more cautious than myself. I firmly believe that I have a high immunity system. Perhaps, I have achieved this immunity from all the traveling to third world countries.
Do what you must to stay safe and I will not disparage you. However, disparaging someone about their belief is a two edged sword. When you claim that someone is selfish, are you not thinking of yourself at the time? Like they say, when you point at someone, you have more fingers pointing back at you from the same pointing hand.

[toeser]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.


I am surprised I don't know anyone who has even had a confirmed case, let alone died. No downplaying here, the numbers are real.

[justjim]

Covid is worse than ever right now with 30 to 40 new cases a day in the Villages when before opening the squares it was only 4 or 5 a day. Yesterday the Villages had over 50 new cases and there were almost 150 in total with the surrounding towns. It's time to shut down the squares, the bars and forbid any large group gatherings for a short time until the vaccine is given here. At a minimum wearing masks as much as possible.

Yes, makes you wonder how “smart” it was to open back up the squares. But people have a choice to believe in science or not or go to the squares or not.

OP, thanks for your post. I can tell from your words your concern for your friends and fellowman. I’m from the Midwest and grew up in a small town. COVID 19 has reached my small town just as it has reached NY, LA, TV and other parts of the country. My son has a small business but like he told me the other day. “Dad, I could go bankrupt but I can start again but I can’t replace anybody’s life after they are gone”. Just a paraphrase
of his words. True words. For the first time, my family won’t be together this Holiday Season. Maybe next year.

[tophcfa]

To those saying “just live life”, I say I hope to do just that, thank you. I have been living my life for the last several months, and, with God’s grace will for the foreseeable future. Living my life during a pandemic includes playing golf, getting out and walking, shopping when necessary, and visiting with kids and grandkids regularly at social distance. I wear a mask anytime I am around other people and take all the other recommended precautions. I also use my seatbelt, take my meds, try to eat a healthy diet, follow rules of the road, and exercise regularly. My life is full, and I look forward to the day I can relax some of the self imposed restrictions forced by this pandemic. Once again, I don’t listen to “fear mongering” and I don’t listen to idiotic conspiracy theories. If living ones life in fear means I don’t go to large gatherings, especially those with people who don’t think it necessary to take precautions, then I guess I’m guilty of being cautious. My life has been just fine for the last several months and I hope to continue to enjoy good health for several years to come. I hope all of you, whether you believe the science and the statistics or not, have a safe and happy holiday and 2021.

Amen to that, couldn’t have put it better.

[kendi]

I lost count of the number of people I know who have had it. None were serious and all recovered nicely. I am aware though that it can be very serious, as are many health conditions. COVID is not something that is in the forefront of my mind. I simply take the proper precautions while enjoying life.

[Spalumbos62]

I don't think it was lame...🤣🤣

[TheWarriors]

If we only knew where this terrible virus originated, maybe we could figure out a way to ensure it never happens again.

[OhioBuckeye]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

The problem is to many people think they don’t have to wear a mask, stay 6ft. away from people, don’t care to wash their hands or use sanitizer or have Covid & don’t care who they give it to & quarantine themselves these are very selfish people who don’t give a S _ _ _ about you or me, & should be locked up. Anybody that don’t wear a mask at least, stay the hell away from me because I don’t want to rebreath your rotten reused breath! Sorry to sound so mean but this is serious.

[CFrance]

You dont know if they would have passed now or 2 days from now. No one knows. Your argument has no basis. I agree with the poster to just live life until your time comes
Would you cross the street without looking, because it may or may not be your time? That argument is the one with no basis.

[Skip]

Sorry for your losses.
Anyone know how to find out how many Villagers (residents) have died from COVID. You can find all 3 counties but not The Villages proper. Last I heard was 8.
TIA, Skip

[golfing eagles]

I don't think it was lame...🤣🤣

It was

[Lil GTO]

I am sorry for the loss of your friends and acquaintances. I agree with you that we must remain vigilant. I am not crazy religious but I remember a verse from the Bible, I think it’s in the book of Ezekiel and it says “ For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.” throughout this pandemic I have tried to live by those words. I wear my mask, I socially distance and avoid large crowds, I wash my hands and use hand sanitizer every time I come out of a store but I have gone on living. I still meet friends, take walks, play golf etc. but while practicing good habits. I have refused to let this pandemic rule my life or make me a prisoner in my own home. Just be safe out there but go on living.
Absolutely correct thinking period.

[MFNOWLIN52]

You are so correct to urge safety. I had this HORRIBLE virus in March after traveling and before masks were worn. It was the worst illness I've ever had. Now, our 98 y/o mother, who was previously very healthy is in ICU dying from it. Masks are imperative!

[eddie888]

Thank goodness I do not know a soul who had it Or died from it. Thank goodness

[Spalumbos62]

It was

You are not correct- I am not correct...just different opinions.😉

[YouNeverKnow]

For information purposes. An FYI :

The Sumter County Health Department Issues advisory on rising COVID-19 cases

All residents are urged to make efforts to prevent infection

Contact:
Megan McCarthy
Megan.McCarthy@FLHealth.gov
352-569-3134

Bushnell, FLA — The purpose of this advisory of to update you on our current situation concerning the COVID-19 pandemic and to provide a gentle reminder, on what actions you can take to protect yourselves and others from becoming infected with the virus.

With the onset of the cooler weather, it was predicted that we would receive additional cases in Sumter County, and this has unfortunately occurred. Last week, we received 284 new cases, which is an increase from prior weeks. While the hospital has capacity to deal with increasing cases, they too have experienced a rise in their case volume.

Our experience in caring for those affected has improved greatly over the past 6-9 months. However, elders--particularly those with chronic or serious medical conditions such as heart or lung disease, diabetes, obesity, or depressed immunity--may experience more severe complications. As a community, we all have a responsibility to others to take whatever actions we can reasonably take, to protect the most vulnerable among us.

Accordingly, I am asking you to please redouble your efforts to protect yourselves and others during this critical period until vaccines become widely available. This includes wearing a mask, particularly when participating in activities indoors, maintaining social distance from others when possible and frequently washing your hands. Additionally, social activities during this holiday season such as pot-luck events and public gatherings involving singing, particularly close to one another, are associated with an increased risk of becoming infected.

Together we can flatten the curve of rising cases in this community. If you have any questions regarding this advisory, our public information officer Ms. Megan McCarthy may be reached at 352-569-3134.

Thank you for your kind cooperation as we approach this holiday season.

Respectfully,

Dr. Sanford D. Zelnick
Director, Sumter County Health Department

[golfing eagles]

You are not correct- I am not correct...just different opinions.😉

So true. And I'm not even sure we're talking about the same thing:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bellavita]

you are so right. when I see the people in the town square acting like college students I just shake my head and wonder who of them is going to die or worse give it to the check out guy at Publix? we should care more about each other, respect that we need to wear a mask. It is real very real

[Mumsie]

As the coronavirus rages across the U.S., the country has so far blunted the impact of influenza and other seasonal respiratory viruses. Between mask wearing, social distancing, and measures such as bar closures, “all of those things are impacting influenza,” said Daniel Jernigan, director of the influenza division at the CDC.

[golfing eagles]

As the coronavirus rages across the U.S., the country has so far blunted the impact of influenza and other seasonal respiratory viruses. Between mask wearing, social distancing, and measures such as bar closures, “all of those things are impacting influenza,” said Daniel Jernigan, director of the influenza division at the CDC.

That, and the concept that an ER, an Urgent Care center or a doctor can see someone with flu-like symptoms and make a diagnosis of "presumptive COVID", and bill accordingly. Will that diagnosis get changed if a COVID test comes back negative---your guess is as good as mine, but..........

[Tom M]

My brother and his sone both tested positive and had very mild symptoms and are now negative with no after effects.

I did have an uncle who die with Covid but he was 93 years old. He went into the hospital for another issue and got it while he was in there. I don't know if Covid caused his death or if it was the original issue.

The numbers however don't lie. About 90% of the people that get Covid will experience mild to moderate symptoms. About 7.5 % will experience severe symptoms and may have long lasting effects and about 2.5% will die.

Having said that however I look at it this way If you were given a jar of 100 jelly beans was was told that 90 of them were fine, seven of them would make you very sick and three of them would kill you, would you eat any of the jelly beans?

Numbers may not lie, but people could certainly cite inaccurate numbers. I don't know where you got 2.5%. Please cite sources.

[Veiragirl]

OP are you from New York?

I am not. I know of no one directly or friends of them who has perished from covid, had it or tested positive

None.

Then consider yourself lucky.

[willis100]

I have covid19 right now. Tested positive Friday morning after some fever Wed. and Thur night. Though I am diabetic and take blood pressure and cholesterol meds, I am a healthy 66-year-old man. Being quarantined here in my house (I live alone) has been ok as I have gotten caught up on things that needed to be done. I thank God that it has been a mild case so far and pray for others not as fortunate.

[graciegirl]

I watch these statistics, not every single day but when I hear there is an increase.

On November first there were 91 who died from Covid-19 from Sumter County.

Today here are the statistics. 109 with two who died yesterday.

We are so close to being able to get the vaccine that will make us safe. Please all be a little more careful than you have been. I don't want you to get sick or die now when the end of this pandemic is near.

Sumter County cases
Updated Dec 17 at 10:58 AM local
Confirmed
4,154
+87
Deaths
109
+2

You can access these figures your self by typing Coronavirus deaths in Sumter County, Florida.

[Bill14564]

Numbers may not lie, but people could certainly cite inaccurate numbers. I don't know where you got 2.5%. Please cite sources.

One source would be the JHU Covid page. 1,652,906 deaths and 74,423,687 cases globally give a fatality rate of 2.2%

Edit: Another would be graciegirl's numbers for Sumter County (2.4%)

[Roron123]

As a Nurse I tell you that many deaths have underlying causes, which you may not know about, be it heart disease, diabetes, pulmonary disease, cancer which are the real causes of death but unfortunately get named as Covid virus! Many healthy people get Covid and recover as they are healthy, some don’t even know they have had it, all those have antibodies following Covid (how long for we are not sure) just so you realize that the underlying causes are the real culprits just as in the Flu virus, no different

[aletarw]

We lost a son to Covid. He didn't live here and he had multiple underlying conditions. He never went out, but his son who lived with him went out every day for work and apparently bought it home.

We learned that if a person dies at home, then they are not tested for Covid. This means that many people die from Covid but they are not added to the statistics. We know he had it because his daughter said he was experiencing loss of taste and smell.

Bottomline... Covid is real. It is not a hoax. Mask up!

[Indydealmaker]

My brother and his sone both tested positive and had very mild symptoms and are now negative with no after effects.

I did have an uncle who die with Covid but he was 93 years old. He went into the hospital for another issue and got it while he was in there. I don't know if Covid caused his death or if it was the original issue.

The numbers however don't lie. About 90% of the people that get Covid will experience mild to moderate symptoms. About 7.5 % will experience severe symptoms and may have long lasting effects and about 2.5% will die.

Having said that however I look at it this way If you were given a jar of 100 jelly beans was was told that 90 of them were fine, seven of them would make you very sick and three of them would kill you, would you eat any of the jelly beans?

Depends on the flavors.

[chas39]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.
Wow we don’t have anyone that has passed from COVID

[canyonblue]

BTW - I know many people - all 50* who have tested positive for COVID. Only one had symptoms that prompted her to go get tested.

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[canyonblue]

One source would be the JHU Covid page. 1,652,906 deaths and 74,423,687 cases globally give a fatality rate of 2.2%

Edit: Another would be graciegirl's numbers for Sumter County (2.4%)

Unfortunately those percentages are from the KNOWN positive cases. We'll never know just how many people actually had it and never knew it.

[jimjamuser]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.
Sorry for your friends. That is a thread that needed to be started. It was just a matter of time before it would become "up close and personal " to MANY TV Landers. I have TRIED, without much success, to post about the serious nature of this CV. I have been called, "glass 1/2 empty" and "fear-mongering" and probably worse for my efforts. I doubt(?) that any DENIERS will unleash their venom on you - there can be no doubt about your sincerity and purpose. Note: I coached high school bball - many headaches and very little pay. Note: I like your philosophic quote!

[Bill14564]

Unfortunately those percentages are from the KNOWN positive cases. We'll never know just how many people actually had it and never knew it.

Not going to hijack this thread any longer. Look up IFR and CFR and compare to the flu. Start another thread if more discussion is needed.

[mainelovr]

As a Nurse I tell you that many deaths have underlying causes, which you may not know about, be it heart disease, diabetes, pulmonary disease, cancer which are the real causes of death but unfortunately get named as Covid virus! Many healthy people get Covid and recover as they are healthy, some don’t even know they have had it, all those have antibodies following Covid (how long for we are not sure) just so you realize that the underlying causes are the real culprits just as in the Flu virus, no different

“As a nurse” can be misleading. You may have an underlying condition, but if it’s not going to cause your death in the near term, but you get a significant case of covid, it’s covid that pushed you over. Please don’t spread this propaganda. This is the kind of thinking that make people doubt the seriousness of this pandemic.

US confirmed 247,403 new cases on Wednesday and 3,656 Americans died of the coronavirus in a single day. This is NOT “all of a sudden my underlying condition caught up with me. And what a coincidence!!!! It did for all these other people at the exact same time!!!” Medical professionals should be conferring truth and science, not the political garbage that has caused so many people to doubt the severity of this thing. I take I you’re not practicing anymore. Nurses of all people should have compassion for those out there on the frontlines battling this monster.

[jimjamuser]

that passed away from the flu, pneumonia, auto crashes. overdoses, etc. They are all serious and sad, but part of living on this planet. Take the precautions
you feel are right of you, but don't let these fear mongers dictate your actions.

There will always be some folks that lose more to various diseases and accidents than others...the universe doesn't care.
That is some SERIOUS anti-humanitarian logic. Whenever I hear or see "fear-mongering", I think about where all the propaganda in the US came from. All the other 1st world countries on this planet have ACCEPTED the reality and serious nature of this HORRIBLE disease. I know so many intelligent TV Landers and yet...........?
The predicted deaths by Sept 2021 (even with vaccines) are as high as 700,000. Hospitalizations are DOCUMENTED at a new record for the US. Citing a statistic can NEVER be construed as "fear-mongering". Numbers have ZERO emotions - only people's interpretations of them drive emotions.

[Phil D]

I know of 8 friends in NY that have died of Covd19 two of them we very good friends one that was down here 3 years ago he went very fast,the other one was on a ventilator for over 30 days,he came off it he was getting better he was still in the Hospital him and his wife Were looking for a rehabilitation place for him to go because he was in the hospital bed for over 30 days,he just died that night,and he was in good health before he got sick. YES IT IS VERY REAL

[jimjamuser]

I am very sorry for your loss. We have lost two old friends from Cincinnati married to each other for a long time . We have know personally seven people who have survived it, some with hospitalization and some who were not affected greatly. One is our grandson who just got the all clear. He was feverish and had a headache but was able to work at his job remotely.

We are careful and vigilant as you so nicely ask. It is soon to be over and we will not soon forget it.
A new study finds that - Americans ages 25 to 44 have DIED at HISTORICALLY high rates between March and July. This suggests that CV may be more damaging to younger adults than was previously understood.

[jimjamuser]

We know several people in the Villages that have tested positive. None died yet.
That's fortunate for some people. BUT - The US nationwide is setting records for cases - 240,000 in ONE day. Also a record for one-day deaths - 3600. And for hospitalizations. CV cases are going up, not down in the US, not so much in other 1st world countries. The vaccines MAY (?) save us, but we were late to take moderation steps and take CV as seriously as needed. It is raging nationwide and the vaccines could be too little - too late!

[jimjamuser]

It is all very sad. I know one who died and 4 who had it and are now fine. The question for us is not that we don’t take it seriously, we do, but how are we going to live our lives? We wear masks in public and social distance but we have decided to go see our grandchildren for Christmas. Guess it depends on how you individually feel on a risk/ reward basis. I could not go and die anyway. It’s not wrong or right it is an individual decision.
Traveling on Christmas is NOT recommended by medical experts. Look what happened on Thanksgiving - record-spread! Better to do a Zoom conference than have a conscience filled up will worry about increasing the disease spread on Christmas. What would Jesus do??????

[golfing eagles]

Traveling on Christmas is NOT recommended by medical experts. Look what happened on Thanksgiving - record-spread! Better to do a Zoom conference than have a conscience filled up will worry about increasing the disease spread on Christmas. What would Jesus do??????

Heal everybody then go celebrate his birthday:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Joe V.]

Traveling on Christmas is NOT recommended by medical experts. Look what happened on Thanksgiving - record-spread! Better to do a Zoom conference than have a conscience filled up will worry about increasing the disease spread on Christmas. What would Jesus do??????

I asked Jesus. He told me to be cautious, be careful and enjoy His day with my family.

[jimjamuser]

96% of those that die from Covid already have severe underlying illness. Most were already knocking on deaths door. Covid got them in.

And I pray young folks still desiring to have children aren't forced to take the vaccine. It will be years before we see the birth defects caused by the vaccine.
Young adults 25 to 44 are getting it in record numbers - they can't have underlying conditions in large numbers at that age!

[jimjamuser]

I am very sorry for your loss.

No one escapes death. You never know when it will happen - but, it will happen.

In late 2009, my mom was suffering from an illness - we anticipated her death sooner than later due to the illness. She was still living in her own home taking care of herself. I spent mornings and evenings with her. She contracted H1N1 flu-like symptoms - and had to be hospitalized - and died the same evening - as she was telling the nurse that she was having a hard time breathing. Folks, we will ALWAYS have some strain of a flu or virus lurking. The weak and vulnerable - thru history - have always been popular targets.

I am doing all I can - eat well, maintain a low weight, exercise every day, stay away from carcinogens, sweets and alcohol....I also always wear a mask in public (to protect myself). I am not perfect - I know I will die - I know that as I age, I become more vulnerable. Today - may be my day - there are still 17 more hours!

BTW - I know many people - all 50* who have tested positive for COVID. Only one had symptoms that prompted her to go get tested. My friend is a fitness and weight freak. She noticed she gained 2 lbs and felt ‘bloated’ - she weighs 96 lbs. - that was the extent of her symptoms! Her husband tested positive as well - zero - no - symptoms! I know people who have been tested for their jobs - results fluctuate - positive one day and negative the next. I could go on and on. People I know who have died - they were people already diagnosed with other health issues - or - people who liked to indulge in high fat, high sugar foods, alcohol - and who placed no priorities on physical activity.


We need to live life, we need purpose in life, we need face to face human engagement - we need to accept and come to peace w/the fact that we are all going to die- we need to do what we can (and help loved ones) to be less vulnerable to the flu/viruses that are always going to be lurking out there.
Can NOT agree with that.

[Velvet]

I have covid19 right now. Tested positive Friday morning after some fever Wed. and Thur night. Though I am diabetic and take blood pressure and cholesterol meds, I am a healthy 66-year-old man. Being quarantined here in my house (I live alone) has been ok as I have gotten caught up on things that needed to be done. I thank God that it has been a mild case so far and pray for others not as fortunate.

You are in my thoughts... good to hear you are still managing but I hope you have plan for help. Before buying in TV the first thing I considered was how will I get help if I need help by myself.

[jimjamuser]

I too was a casual acquaintance of the 1st Villages covid victim. My brother is currently in ICU after almost waiting too long to get medical attention and looks to be recovering. We hope his side effects are few. Bro in law was moderately ill with flu symptoms. We had to quarantine and get tested, negative. We're careful, don't take unnecessary risks and try to remember to respect distancing, but we're still out there. I'm so fortunate to be living in a place that's not suffocating our livelihoods. I think we can survive without adding hurt to those trying to support families.
The "livelihoods" appear to have become "deadlihoods".

[jimjamuser]

Really?????? Who would that be????? The lab in Wuhan????? The Chinese government??? The Bilderberg group?????? God for creating viruses????? Or were you making a lame political statement??????
History will be the final judge. And that post has gotten people thinking - which can't be ALL bad.

[canyonblue]

Young adults 25 to 44 are getting it in record numbers - they can't have underlying conditions in large numbers at that age!

Oh for the love of God! Getting Covid and death from Covid are two seperate things. In the state of Florida 384,342 people between the ages of 25-44 have tested positive for Covid. Of that number 452 have died. That's about 0.001 percent of the positive cases. So yeah, I could believe that 0.001 had underlying conditions. And yeah, I believe it is real and it is highly contagious. Just not a death sentence for a majority of the population.

[jimjamuser]

Covid is worse than ever right now with 30 to 40 new cases a day in the Villages when before opening the squares it was only 4 or 5 a day. Yesterday the Villages had over 50 new cases and there were almost 150 in total with the surrounding towns. It's time to shut down the squares, the bars and forbid any large group gatherings for a short time until the vaccine is given here. At a minimum wearing masks as much as possible.
Great post! That is the way to drive home a point and do a great service for your local community. Please run for Governor soon.

[eweissenbach]

Oh for the love of God! Getting Covid and death from Covid are two seperate things. In the state of Florida 384,342 people between the ages of 25-44 have tested positive for Covid. Of that number 452 have died. That's about 0.001 percent of the positive cases. So yeah, I could believe that 0.001 had underlying conditions. And yeah, I believe it is real and it is highly contagious. Just not a death sentence for a majority of the population.

For those 452 people the death rate was 100%. Reminds me of the story of a small boy walking the beach throwing starfish back into the ocean which had washed ashore. A man observed what he was doing and told him, “son there are millions of those that wash up on the shore so you really can’t possibly think you can make a difference”. The young man listened respectfully, picked up another starfish and threw it into the water, looked at the man and smiled saying, “made a difference to that one”.

[jimjamuser]

The number of flu cases and deaths have been way down this year because of all of the preventative actions and social distancing being done because of the pandemic.

People wearing masks, staying home, washing hands and staying six apart has pretty much ended the seasonal fly this year.
That is correct - It happened that way in Australia also.

[jimjamuser]

“As a nurse” can be misleading. You may have an underlying condition, but if it’s not going to cause your death in the near term, but you get a significant case of covid, it’s covid that pushed you over. Please don’t spread this propaganda. This is the kind of thinking that make people doubt the seriousness of this pandemic.

US confirmed 247,403 new cases on Wednesday and 3,656 Americans died of the coronavirus in a single day. This is NOT “all of a sudden my underlying condition caught up with me. And what a coincidence!!!! It did for all these other people at the exact same time!!!” Medical professionals should be conferring truth and science, not the political garbage that has caused so many people to doubt the severity of this thing. I take I you’re not practicing anymore. Nurses of all people should have compassion for those out there on the frontlines battling this monster.
Good post ! Kudos.

[jimjamuser]

Heal everybody then go celebrate his birthday:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Well done. THAT was humorous. Kudos.

[jimjamuser]

Oh for the love of God! Getting Covid and death from Covid are two seperate things. In the state of Florida 384,342 people between the ages of 25-44 have tested positive for Covid. Of that number 452 have died. That's about 0.001 percent of the positive cases. So yeah, I could believe that 0.001 had underlying conditions. And yeah, I believe it is real and it is highly contagious. Just not a death sentence for a majority of the population.
I posted that too quickly. I had a prior post about the same thing. Please take away what I wrote - "getting it" and substitute "DYING of CV" and what I wrote will be accurate. Thanks for the correction.

[riley2011]

So very sorry!

[Barborv]

Several of my friends and acquaintances lost a loved one due to Covid.The people that died were above the age of 70 as far as I know . I work in a High school in Long Island , and I can't tell you how many staff and students are testing positive. I had two very close co-workers test positive and I had to get tested. I am actually on quarantine right now. I had a rapid test 5 days after being in contact with this last co-worker. We were both wearing our masks of course, but I was deemed a close contact. The district nurse told me to still quarantine in my home, stay away from family members in the house and wear a mask when near them. I am sleeping and staying in the spare room for another week even though I had a negative rapid test result yesterday.Actually it's nice having the bed to myself! LOL I haven't had my own room in over 35 years! From my friends, co-workers and relatives, a few of those people had it EXTREMELY BAD. My one friend said she thought she was going to die. It was very scary. She lost a lot of hair and now will have medical concerns moving forward. A few of my friends and relatives had mild to moderate symptoms and one or two of them no symptoms. And get this, my 94 year old aunt who lives in an assisted living facility in Cleveland Ohio, was asymptomatic. So go figure. Our friends daughter is a doctor and she was working the Covid floors in a Queens hospital back when the pandemic started and she said they were stacking body bags in the back of the hospital because they were overloaded. When I see people out and about mingling with friends and family with no care in the world, All I can do is scratch my head in disbelief.

[drbobw]

[QUOTE=Toymeister;1874307]OP are you from New York?

I am not. I know of no one directly or friends of them who has perished from covid, had it or tested positive

Dear tyomeister

Two of my friends are positive and very sick. My daughter in law is an ER doctor at Stamford and sees plenty of sick and dying people every day. Just because you haven't met or know anyone, doesn't mean it isn't so! But thank you for your opinion

[coffeebean]

I believe that the virus is real and dangerous. That said, I also believe that ALL the information and opinions on this thread are valid.
For instance, just about everyone knows someone that has died supposedly of the virus. I know of two that probably would have passed anyway, but died WITH the virus. I believe that there are as many false positive tests results as valid ones. I also believe that every time some is re-tested, it is counted as a new infection if it comes back positive. And some folks that receive positive results go back several times for testing until they get a negative result so that they can go back to work, etc. I am not discounting the validity of the virus, just the accuracy of the test. Apparently, the test is run up to 40 times before they consider it finished and valid, depending on how many times they have to run it to get a positive. If they run it 20 times and get a positive result, they are satisfied. If they run it 39 times before getting a positive, they are satisfied. If they run it 40 times or whatever limit they put on it, and get a negative result, then that is what is documented. The test was not conceived originally for this type of use. I am basing this on a couple of writings I have read, and I am not even close to being an expert. If this is true, then we may have hundreds of thousands that show a false positive. We also have many, many folks being counted several times as new infected.
That said, I wonder how many folks have been infected and will never know it because they have never had symptoms and have not been tested.
Example: when this first started, and before the mask wearing practice, I was at the hospital when they had their FIRST infected patient. I was sitting next to her for between 20 to 30 minutes, no masks being worn. She was admitted and hospitalized, and I waited in the waiting room for the person I transported to the hospital to be released. Never thinking more about it until much later, I wondered why I had not become infected or if I might have and not known it. Of course, I never bothered to be tested because I did not have any symptoms and did not see any reason to get tested. No one around me, family or friends or neighbors have become infected. I will mention that I know two that supposedly died WITH Covid. Neither of them have I seen in decades, so I had no contact with them when/if they were infected.
I take the virus seriously, but I do not live in hysteria and panic. Does that make me irresponsible? Maybe I do not worry so much about it because I have never had the Flu and I haven't suffered even a mild cold in at least over a decade. Do I take precautions to prevent my carrying it IF in contact when I go out shopping or to a restaurant? Yes. I am careful, but like everything else in moderation. I do not consider everyone around me to be infected. I do wash my hands frequently during the day, but I have been like this for many years, due to my travels. I social distance, but I have always practiced that. When this first started, I wore gloves, mask and eye protection, as well as long sleeved shirt. I used hand sanitizer consistently. Now, I only wear a mask when in a business, but not in a restaurant. I have adjusted to the information that I have accumulated over the year and have modified my behavior according to my pragmatism. I do not suggest that others do what I do and I do not criticize those that are more cautious than myself. I firmly believe that I have a high immunity system. Perhaps, I have achieved this immunity from all the traveling to third world countries.
Do what you must to stay safe and I will not disparage you. However, disparaging someone about their belief is a two edged sword. When you claim that someone is selfish, are you not thinking of yourself at the time? Like they say, when you point at someone, you have more fingers pointing back at you from the same pointing hand.

To me, social distancing means I will not dine with anyone with the exception of my husband at a restaurant indoors or outdoors. Sitting across from someone at a restaurant table and certainly next to someone is too close. Social distancing means to me not to sit next to anyone but my husband where we are shoulder to shoulder. That could be in a theater, standing on the street watching a parade, sitting in a pew in church, standing on line in a store, chatting with someone at arm's distance, etc., etc. etc. That was normal life for me and many others. Are you saying you were never in close proximity to others in these ways or plenty of other ways that normal life brings us on a daily basis? Just wondering.

[coffeebean]

I have covid19 right now. Tested positive Friday morning after some fever Wed. and Thur night. Though I am diabetic and take blood pressure and cholesterol meds, I am a healthy 66-year-old man. Being quarantined here in my house (I live alone) has been ok as I have gotten caught up on things that needed to be done. I thank God that it has been a mild case so far and pray for others not as fortunate.

I don't mean to sound crass but if you consider yourself "healthy" with hypertension, hyperlipidemia and diabetes, what do you call someone who has absolutely no diseases? I hope you have a quick and easy recovery from Covid.

[eweissenbach]

For 383,890 it was 100% survivable! See what i did there? Yeah I know the number one cause of death is dying.

Yes, I see what you did there and you should be very proud of yourself. My point was, and is, that those people that died are human beings, not some abstract number for people to twist to suit their needs. More than 300,000 people have died in the US and while many may have died from other factors, many would likely have lived for years. The lack of empathy and the hard hearted responses to the human suffering and the suffering of their families is very sad and troubling.

[coffeebean]

That's fortunate for some people. BUT - The US nationwide is setting records for cases - 240,000 in ONE day. Also a record for one-day deaths - 3600. And for hospitalizations. CV cases are going up, not down in the US, not so much in other 1st world countries. The vaccines MAY (?) save us, but we were late to take moderation steps and take CV as seriously as needed. It is raging nationwide and the vaccines could be too little - too late!

With Covid "raging nationwide", doesn't that help to progress our country to herd immunity, although the unsafe way to achieve it? Together with the vaccines which are the safe way to achieve herd immunity, I would not consider that it is "too little too late" for us, as a country, to have the ability to come out the victor in this war with the virus.

[jimjamuser]

With Covid "raging nationwide", doesn't that help to progress our country to herd immunity, although the unsafe way to achieve it? Together with the vaccines which are the safe way to achieve herd immunity, I would not consider that it is "too little too late" for us, as a country, to have the ability to come out the victor in this war with the virus.
I was comparing the US to other 1st world countries. They started taking it seriously right away - we did not. They have already slowed it down to just a slight nuisance - with us it is a raging inferno. The US loses more people to CV in an hour than Canada does in a week (on a per capita basis). I hope it is NOT a "too little. too late " situation, but it is possible and unnecessary. The range of predictions for US deaths is as high as 700,000 for 2021 - even with the vaccines. I can NOT be optimistic when the US has ALREADY failed. You do not get a vaccine that can bring BACK lives. So, it is logical to be pessimistic!

[Nancysacks]

So sorry about your tragic losses.

[pauld315]

I don't know anybody who has even been diagnosed positive

[Cheapbas]

I know many people in The Villages who had it but seem to be fine now. One case that scared me is Tool's frontman Maynard Keenan (age 56, like me) who got it on tour in February and is still experiencing painful arthritis and lung damage months after the fact. Like the analogy of the jelly beans, you can't fully know how bad it may hit you. Better safe than sorry in my book.

There’s actually 2 people in the villages that likes Tool!

[Eg_cruz]

Vaccines to prevent the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) are perhaps the best hope for ending the pandemic. ....Mayo Clinic
Your statement about birth defects was driving me nuts so I’m looking all over medical websites and found none stating that the vaccine might or will cause birth defects. I did find lots of uninformed social media info stating the vaccine is bad and the cure is worse than the disease.
So I guess it’s who you want to believe... Well educated trained professionals or social media hacks.
I guess it also on what you call trained professionals.......the left doctors or the right doctors, the big pharm (making billions), the left scientists or the right scientist my point is the so called professional really mess this up they decided to take sides.....FYI there is not way in h____ I would touch that vaccine. We have ZERO studies to know the short or long term effects from it and sure do not trust big pharm in any way just more dollars in their pockets. And no I don’t get the flu shot either. Remember this the virus has multiple strands (just like the flu) are you sure the vaccine covers all strain my doctor says No, so good luck to all who get the vaccine

[Eg_cruz]

I was comparing the US to other 1st world countries. They started taking it seriously right away - we did not. They have already slowed it down to just a slight nuisance - with us it is a raging inferno. The US loses more people to CV in an hour than Canada does in a week (on a per capita basis). I hope it is NOT a "too little. too late " situation, but it is possible and unnecessary. The range of predictions for US deaths is as high as 700,000 for 2020 - even with the vaccines. I can NOT be optimistic when the US has ALREADY failed. You do not get a vaccine that can bring BACK lives. So, it is logical to be pessimistic!
What 1st world nation did you compare with because I have done the same and I don’t have the same findings as you. Remember when we wanted to close the Borders and stop flights we were call racist. I am over people with false info and false numbers saying we some how we could have stopped this ......listen up IT’S A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC. Look at the top populous countries (except for China because we all know their numbers are a lie) in world and you will see we are right in line with them.

[DrBrutyle109]

Oh no

[davephan]

The problem with the numbers of deaths are dying from COVID-19 OR with COVID-19. That means if you die in an auto accident and happen to be COVID-19 positive, then your death counts as a COVID-19 death, even though the cause of the death was the auto accident.

There was a study done in the US and Israel. Of the people who die from COVID-19, 80% have a low vitamin D level in their bodies. It was found that is your vitamin D level is 50 in your body, then the odds are reduced by more than 50% from being hospitalized with COVID-19.

The doctor interviewed said that he prescribes 3,000 to 5,000 international units of vitamin D3, 50 milligrams of chelated zinc, and Vitamin C, to be taken daily to reduce the COVID-19 risk. I don’t know the vitamin C dosage.

This is a simple and inexpensive thing that can be done to reduce the COVID-19 risk. That US / Israel study doesn’t seem to be widely reported on the news. So, people could reduce their risk of COVID-19 if they started taking those inexpensive supplements, if they knew that information. Everyone I’ve told about that study, didn’t hear about it, and weren’t taking those supplements.

[Eg_cruz]

I am so sorry for your multiple losses. We know who is responsible. They will pay the price, including those here in TV who also have no honor.
Really what are you going to do....go to China and them a what for.........stupid haters

[jojo]

It's in our neighborhood now. Several have had it and recovered. Symptoms varied from mild to severe, some still with after effects. Three are in the hospital this week, one in ICU. Another younger neighbor who is a snowbird, played softball and generally very active is in hospice treatment now with COVID.

[Kerry Azz]

Good analogy

[Marine1974]

And neither do you , sadly

[Donvan]

Had COVID !lucky mild case ! Wife did not get it . Don’t let it run your life.take 5,000 vitamin d and zinc Daly .best thing you can do .

[La lamy]

For information purposes. An FYI :

The Sumter County Health Department Issues advisory on rising COVID-19 cases

All residents are urged to make efforts to prevent infection

Contact:
Megan McCarthy
Megan.McCarthy@FLHealth.gov
352-569-3134

Bushnell, FLA — The purpose of this advisory of to update you on our current situation concerning the COVID-19 pandemic and to provide a gentle reminder, on what actions you can take to protect yourselves and others from becoming infected with the virus.

With the onset of the cooler weather, it was predicted that we would receive additional cases in Sumter County, and this has unfortunately occurred. Last week, we received 284 new cases, which is an increase from prior weeks. While the hospital has capacity to deal with increasing cases, they too have experienced a rise in their case volume.

Our experience in caring for those affected has improved greatly over the past 6-9 months. However, elders--particularly those with chronic or serious medical conditions such as heart or lung disease, diabetes, obesity, or depressed immunity--may experience more severe complications. As a community, we all have a responsibility to others to take whatever actions we can reasonably take, to protect the most vulnerable among us.

Accordingly, I am asking you to please redouble your efforts to protect yourselves and others during this critical period until vaccines become widely available. This includes wearing a mask, particularly when participating in activities indoors, maintaining social distance from others when possible and frequently washing your hands. Additionally, social activities during this holiday season such as pot-luck events and public gatherings involving singing, particularly close to one another, are associated with an increased risk of becoming infected.

Together we can flatten the curve of rising cases in this community. If you have any questions regarding this advisory, our public information officer Ms. Megan McCarthy may be reached at 352-569-3134.

Thank you for your kind cooperation as we approach this holiday season.

Respectfully,

Dr. Sanford D. Zelnick
Director, Sumter County Health Department

Thank you for taking the time to write this. Much much appreciation for your help with this and all the healing that you are part of.

[TimeForChange]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

When the virus first started a close friend and golf partner of mine got sick. He went to the hospital and died ten days later. I was within six feet of him at Glenview a week or so before. He was an ambassador at Palmer for twelve years. This was before testing was everywhere. I was scared for me but for my wife who is not in good health. Yes, it is real and very dangerous for older people. Out group misses this person a lot and it is still hard to believe we lost him so quickly.

[Daneenmarie]

So my Uncle who was playing golf, working for Merrill Lynch, and jogging 3days before his Covid diagnosis is being buried this morning. His college age son accidentally brought the virus home with him just before Thanksgiving. First he was feeling crummy and had a fever. Then he couldn’t breathe so he went to the hospital. Then he had to put him on a ventilator, alone. Then he went into kidney failure, alone. Then he went into cardiac arrest, alone. Finally they allowed a couple family members to come in with him to watch him die. It’s a very horrible death. Jerry leaves behind a 58-year-old wife, five children, four siblings, and 25 nieces and nephews, that’s 35 people I know who are taking this more seriously today.

[La lamy]

I have covid19 right now. Tested positive Friday morning after some fever Wed. and Thur night. Though I am diabetic and take blood pressure and cholesterol meds, I am a healthy 66-year-old man. Being quarantined here in my house (I live alone) has been ok as I have gotten caught up on things that needed to be done. I thank God that it has been a mild case so far and pray for others not as fortunate.

I wish you well. :pray:

[Bonnevie]

it's interesting to read all these comments. those that aren't taking this seriously owe a lot to those who are. if everyone indulged their desire to "get on with life" I fear the transmission rate would be higher. I think proof of how serious this can or could be is that the Daily Sun has had a major front page story on the need to comply with recommendations. then, a recent memo from Villages Health reinforcing that need. As for citing statistics on the mortality or chance of getting really sick, well, I prefer to remember the wise words of Dirty Harry "do you feel lucky?" We are so close to getting vaccines (which I will get as soon as I possibly can) I will continue doing the most I can to avoid getting sick. the fact that the Villages has done relatively well I feel is the result of the many, many people like me who have delayed gratification through this ordeal and followed the advice of the scientists and competent medical people with expertise in the field.

[kenoc7]

I know how everyone says that the numbers don't lie, but they do lie. How is it that on the average 200,000 people die of the flue every year but this past year it has been almost 0. I would love to get some true numbers and not what the fear mongers want you to believe.
First, 200,000 don't die of the flu each year, it varies from about 30,000 to 60,000. Second, there has been and will be less flue deaths because of mask wearing. This past winter in Australia where they had very strict mask mandates there were almost zero deaths from the flu. THis clearly tells us what we should be doing every winter!!!!

[genobambino]

Seems funny the Sun Newspaper obituary section doesn't list Covid as a cause of death anymore

[kenoc7]

Right on Nick. Imagine most people think the government statements, the pharmaceutical companies and the science being spouted is mostly the truth? I guess ignorance is bliss.
Such ignorance from this poster.

[DonnaNi4os]

There are cases throughout The Villages, including my own little community. We all need to continue to be vigilant.

[Lindsyburnsy]

No, I wouldn't.

My brother and his sone both tested positive and had very mild symptoms and are now negative with no after effects.

I did have an uncle who die with Covid but he was 93 years old. He went into the hospital for another issue and got it while he was in there. I don't know if Covid caused his death or if it was the original issue.

The numbers however don't lie. About 90% of the people that get Covid will experience mild to moderate symptoms. About 7.5 % will experience severe symptoms and may have long lasting effects and about 2.5% will die.

Having said that however I look at it this way If you were given a jar of 100 jelly beans was was told that 90 of them were fine, seven of them would make you very sick and three of them would kill you, would you eat any of the jelly beans?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

A poster think that his immunity comes from traveling to third world countries, are not those people getting as sick or worse from virus then we are. I spent 40 years living mostly in third world countries and wouldn’t presume any immunity to COVID more then anyone else ,I will say that having had many tropical, diseases , l seem to have no lasting affects from them. At 82 I’m on no meds but I attribute that to good genes

[TrishMvhl]

Daneenmarie - My deepest condolences on your loss. Not being able to be by the side of a loved one in hospital is unimaginably painful.

[willis100]

I don't mean to sound crass but if you consider yourself "healthy" with hypertension, hyperlipidemia and diabetes, what do you call someone who has absolutely no diseases? I hope you have a quick and easy recovery from Covid.

I consider myself healthy because I play at least 3 softball games every week, play or practice golf in some fashion every day, work out at MVP routinely along with a walking routine, and results of blood work every three months. (All numbers are consistently good) I have had these "diseases" for many years without any problems at all so I guess the medication is working. Being spiritually healthy is much more important to me and I work on that constantly. I call someone with no disease probably healthy...Thank you for the well wishes

[DAVES]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

You may just keep in touch with more people. Far as covid 19 deaths it is a percentage.

Aside, a friend of mine told me he buys condolence cards by the box because at our age....... I asked him not to buy one for me I hope it will be old and yellowed before he will need it.

I find it amusing. My doctor has a form you fill out on every visit. Have you been to places where Covid is spreading. They mention New York. I find it amusing that they do not mention Florida.

The vaccine. There is no shortage of conflicting information. It seems that once you get the vaccine you will still be expected to wear the masks.

All we can do is the best you can. Aside, I do wear a mask. A real problem since it is a two week gestation period people can be guilty of murdering others and not even know it.

[Aloha way]

You are so right..a long time friend and my girlfriends mother here in The Villages died from it.very sad

[Neils]

OP are you from New York?

I am not. I know of no one directly or friends of them who has perished from covid, had it or tested positive

None.

Dear Toy
Thought you might be willing to hear some closer to home facts.

My brother in law died in Sept at 67 from covid. He was careful, he thought.
My grandson age 20 was in good shape, a high school football player. Covid gave him a stroke in June, now walking again but with a cane. Lives in Tex.
My neighbor and friend in TV died from Covid in August
Mother at 90 yrs old had Covid this summer, no serious problems, mostly like a cold. So no way to predict. She was fortunate.

Please do not play the statistic games and ignore the risk. The virus is real and has ability to kill or maim.

Hoping we can all get the vaccine soon

Merry Christmas

[jimjamuser]

I don't know anybody who has even been diagnosed positive
In statistics, that would be an 'N' of ONE - which is to say - meaningless! .....AND there are REAL sources of meaning through statistics on every TV news channel, newspaper, radio, and Google. MAYBE I need a visual to make myself clear ---- picture Superman standing on the Statue of Liberty yelling at ear-splitting volume, "Humans of the US of A, BEWARE the COVID-19 disease - it can KILL you, it is your KRYPTONITE" !!!!! Can everyone get the picture?

[jimjamuser]

I guess it also on what you call trained professionals.......the left doctors or the right doctors, the big pharm (making billions), the left scientists or the right scientist my point is the so called professional really mess this up they decided to take sides.....FYI there is not way in h____ I would touch that vaccine. We have ZERO studies to know the short or long term effects from it and sure do not trust big pharm in any way just more dollars in their pockets. And no I don’t get the flu shot either. Remember this the virus has multiple strands (just like the flu) are you sure the vaccine covers all strain my doctor says No, so good luck to all who get the vaccine
Too much chaos and confusion to comment on.

[Byte1]

Too much chaos and confusion to comment on.

And yet.............

[jimjamuser]

What 1st world nation did you compare with because I have done the same and I don’t have the same findings as you. Remember when we wanted to close the Borders and stop flights we were call racist. I am over people with false info and false numbers saying we some how we could have stopped this ......listen up IT’S A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC. Look at the top populous countries (except for China because we all know their numbers are a lie) in world and you will see we are right in line with them.
I am sorry, but just compare the US total deaths with Germany, Australia, and Japan. Even when you adjust for the US greater population - you see that they succeeded and we FAILED. The US graph of cases is the only one that is straight up recently - all other 1st world countries (even France) is headed downward. I mean, What do you expect to happen when a state like Florida, for example, has opened up everything. You can hear the music from the squares. People have reported in this forum about people there without masks and non-family-types being close together. Everything that I have stated is corroborated by nationwide and worldwide statistics - AND what can be seen subjectively, up close and personal, RIGHT here in Dizzy World for Adults.

[jimjamuser]

The problem with the numbers of deaths are dying from COVID-19 OR with COVID-19. That means if you die in an auto accident and happen to be COVID-19 positive, then your death counts as a COVID-19 death, even though the cause of the death was the auto accident.

There was a study done in the US and Israel. Of the people who die from COVID-19, 80% have a low vitamin D level in their bodies. It was found that is your vitamin D level is 50 in your body, then the odds are reduced by more than 50% from being hospitalized with COVID-19.

The doctor interviewed said that he prescribes 3,000 to 5,000 international units of vitamin D3, 50 milligrams of chelated zinc, and Vitamin C, to be taken daily to reduce the COVID-19 risk. I don’t know the vitamin C dosage.

This is a simple and inexpensive thing that can be done to reduce the COVID-19 risk. That US / Israel study doesn’t seem to be widely reported on the news. So, people could reduce their risk of COVID-19 if they started taking those inexpensive supplements, if they knew that information. Everyone I’ve told about that study, didn’t hear about it, and weren’t taking those supplements.
And the Native Americans in the wild West did a "ghost dance" to make themselves immune to the US Calvary's bullets. That worked out well for them. Maybe we should do a "ghost dance for CV" at the Squares? And invite scientists from Isreal!

[jimjamuser]

Thank you for taking the time to write this. Much much appreciation for your help with this and all the healing that you are part of.
I agree with ALL of that. IF we took it seriously we would close ALL the squares, churches, rec departments, doubles pickleball, doubles tennis, and softball events. We should choose life - and ask, "What would Jesus do"?

[stanley]

We should choose life -

Exactly, thank you.

[jimjamuser]

it's interesting to read all these comments. those that aren't taking this seriously owe a lot to those who are. if everyone indulged their desire to "get on with life" I fear the transmission rate would be higher. I think proof of how serious this can or could be is that the Daily Sun has had a major front page story on the need to comply with recommendations. then, a recent memo from Villages Health reinforcing that need. As for citing statistics on the mortality or chance of getting really sick, well, I prefer to remember the wise words of Dirty Harry "do you feel lucky?" We are so close to getting vaccines (which I will get as soon as I possibly can) I will continue doing the most I can to avoid getting sick. the fact that the Villages has done relatively well I feel is the result of the many, many people like me who have delayed gratification through this ordeal and followed the advice of the scientists and competent medical people with expertise in the field.
A good post with a good ending sentence. BUT, personally, I would NOT give KUDOS to the newspaper while STILL keeping open the Squares and everything else. It is a confused dichotomy, both locally and nationally. No wonder nothing good was accomplished compared to other 1st world nations!

[jimjamuser]

First, 200,000 don't die of the flu each year, it varies from about 30,000 to 60,000. Second, there has been and will be less flue deaths because of mask wearing. This past winter in Australia where they had very strict mask mandates there were almost zero deaths from the flu. THis clearly tells us what we should be doing every winter!!!!
Absolutely correct about Australia. It should be shouted from the rooftops.

[jimjamuser]

A poster think that his immunity comes from traveling to third world countries, are not those people getting as sick or worse from virus then we are. I spent 40 years living mostly in third world countries and wouldn’t presume any immunity to COVID more then anyone else ,I will say that having had many tropical, diseases , l seem to have no lasting affects from them. At 82 I’m on no meds but I attribute that to good genes
I do NOT particularly believe or not believe what I am about to write about. I have no link and only vaguely remember it. But, here goes - some people believe that living in 3rd world unclean, primitive conditions gives you an immunity boost because you GET more hookworms in your stomach and intestines - which somehow (?) confers increased immunity to disease? And that the 1st world reliance on antibiotics kills both the good and bad bacteria in the gut. Have any of the Doctors on this forum heard of this and is it possible or just a QUACK HYPOTHESIS ??????

[jimjamuser]

I consider myself healthy because I play at least 3 softball games every week, play or practice golf in some fashion every day, work out at MVP routinely along with a walking routine, and results of blood work every three months. (All numbers are consistently good) I have had these "diseases" for many years without any problems at all so I guess the medication is working. Being spiritually healthy is much more important to me and I work on that constantly. I call someone with no disease probably healthy...Thank you for the well wishes
Very impressive activity level. Wish you good luck in the future!

[jimjamuser]

You may just keep in touch with more people. Far as covid 19 deaths it is a percentage.

Aside, a friend of mine told me he buys condolence cards by the box because at our age....... I asked him not to buy one for me I hope it will be old and yellowed before he will need it.

I find it amusing. My doctor has a form you fill out on every visit. Have you been to places where Covid is spreading. They mention New York. I find it amusing that they do not mention Florida.

The vaccine. There is no shortage of conflicting information. It seems that once you get the vaccine you will still be expected to wear the masks.

All we can do is the best you can. Aside, I do wear a mask. A real problem since it is a two week gestation period people can be guilty of murdering others and not even know it.
The scientists are now studying If after getting both doses and waiting a few weeks, IF (?) a person can still shed droplets and infect others. And IF so, for how long can they shed? Much is still unknown. That is why the scientists would prefer you to keep wearing a mask and avoiding indoor gatherings. But, this will be a hard SELL to the general public.

[golfing eagles]

I do NOT particularly believe or not believe what I am about to write about. I have no link and only vaguely remember it. But, here goes - some people believe that living in 3rd world unclean, primitive conditions gives you an immunity boost because you GET more hookworms in your stomach and intestines - which somehow (?) confers increased immunity to disease? And that the 1st world reliance on antibiotics kills both the good and bad bacteria in the gut. Have any of the Doctors on this forum heard of this and is it possible or just a QUACK HYPOTHESIS ??????

I vote for quack hypothesis---strongly! Old world hookworm (Ancylostoma duodenale) is nothing you want to get. Neither is New world hookworm (Necator americanus), unless you like anemia, weakness, fatigue and a variety of other symptoms. BTW, it is generally contracted by walking barefoot on soil that contains the parasite , so keep your shoes on.

[jimjamuser]

I vote for quack hypothesis---strongly! Old world hookworm (Ancylostoma duodenale) is nothing you want to get. Neither is New world hookworm (Necator americanus), unless you like anemia, weakness, fatigue and a variety of other symptoms. BTW, it is generally contracted by walking barefoot on soil that contains the parasite , so keep your shoes on.
Thank you very much! Very informative.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Hook worms are right up there with malaria in ravaging the populations of many 3 rd world countries especially in Africa I vote QUACK

[golfing eagles]

Hook worms are right up there with malaria in ravaging the populations of many 3 rd world countries especially in Africa I vote QUACK

Agree with quack, but hookworms are a minor player, 90% of cases are asymptomatic, the rest get anemia, but hardly ravaging anywhere. The most common infection worldwide is still Hepatitis B, followed by malaria, Hepatitis C and Dengue. There are 2 billion cases of Hep B worldwide, which in turn increases the risk for hepatocellular carcinoma, which at one point (and maybe still) was the most common malignancy in the world. The most common helminthic infection most likely remains shistosomiasis

Correction---Ascariasis is now the number one helminthic infection

[graciegirl]

Agree with quack, but hookworms are a minor player, 90% of cases are asymptomatic, the rest get anemia, but hardly ravaging anywhere. The most common infection worldwide is still Hepatitis B, followed by malaria, Hepatitis C and Dengue. There are 2 billion cases of Hep B worldwide, which in turn increases the risk for hepatocellular carcinoma, which at one point (and maybe still) was the most common malignancy in the world. The most common helminthic infection most likely remains shistosomiasis

My apology to someone who I angrily called "arrogantly ignorant" was just removed so I will respond to this post.

I am very grateful for the medical expertise from you, sir, and also from Blueash. I read with interest all of your posts and find it mildly amusing to see you two occasionally banter about your "other non-medical" views. I think it is so good to know that both of you live here in The Villages and both of you were not only born well above average in intelligence but chose to follow the long and rigorous path of a medical education with an M.D. after your name. I so appreciate the years and years of stressfully being on call almost all of the time, and of diligence, plain old hard work and ultimate self responsibility. I am so grateful that you both persevered and that you share your views with us.

[photo1902]

I vote for quack hypothesis---strongly! Old world hookworm (Ancylostoma duodenale) is nothing you want to get. Neither is New world hookworm (Necator americanus), unless you like anemia, weakness, fatigue and a variety of other symptoms. BTW, it is generally contracted by walking barefoot on soil that contains the parasite , so keep your shoes on.

Does this soil include Miracle Gro soil at Lowe’s, as I needs few bags for the garden. :a040:

[golfing eagles]

Does this soil include Miracle Gro soil at Lowe’s, as I needs few bags for the garden. :a040:

One never knows, does one? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Dana1963]

The scientists are now studying If after getting both doses and waiting a few weeks, IF (?) a person can still shed droplets and infect others. And IF so, for how long can they shed? Much is still unknown. That is why the scientists would prefer you to keep wearing a mask and avoiding indoor gatherings. But, this will be a hard SELL to the general public.
That's the problem no one is listening to CREDIBLE Scientists.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Agree with quack, but hookworms are a minor player, 90% of cases are asymptomatic, the rest get anemia, but hardly ravaging anywhere. The most common infection worldwide is still Hepatitis B, followed by malaria, Hepatitis C and Dengue. There are 2 billion cases of Hep B worldwide, which in turn increases the risk for hepatocellular carcinoma, which at one point (and maybe still) was the most common malignancy in the world. The most common helminthic infection most likely remains shistosomiasis

Correction---Ascariasis is now the number one helminthic infection the 1970’S and late 90 ‘s I had about 11 years in the heart of Africa and In late 1950’s 4 years in Algeria I don’t no about the stats but the worms were a problem everywhere

[Byte1]

I made an off the cuff suggestion that perhaps I had gained a certain amount of immunity to the flu and colds due to my extensive living and traveling overseas in third world countries. I mentioned that I have never had the flu and rarely catch a cold. Perhaps it is due to an "acquired immune system?" Just a guess as to why I seem to be able to shrug off the same diseases that make others bedridden. I've seen folks drink and eat stuff that would put the average American in the hospital fighting for their lives. Ever heard of "don't drink the water?" So, apparently I encouraged our "poster" that likes to hijack every thread and saturate the thread with his "know it all" on all subjects. Thank you for your input and your extensive knowledge on all subjects. I am amused and almost entertained by the twisting and distorting of one's comments on here to camouflage the troll-like behavior. I appreciate how one can divert the subject to reflect how he thinks other countries are superior to ours, how villagers are idiots and his displeasure with The Villages in general.
I think that I have made it clear that I believe the virus is very dangerous. Science has proven that some folks are either immune to the virus and show no symptoms, become infected and show minor symptoms, become infected and are incapacitated, and some even die from the virus. No one is declaring the virus a hoax. I believe that most of us have known someone that has either had the virus and survived or someone that has died from it or with it. Just because I do not allow the virus to rule my life and stymie my lifestyle, does not mean that I do not take it seriously. I know exactly how some on here feel that have lost family or friends to the virus.
If we are showing a commonality to the OP, I will add that I have lost two family members to the virus, and currently have three that are infected. The three that are infected consist of two in their 40's and one 18yo. I have also known two Villagers in their 80's that had the virus in Feb and one was hospitalized. Both are doing well and back to living a normal life. I have reason to take the virus very seriously and do. That said, I am also pragmatic about it. I take precautions but do not allow other folks panic and hysteria to dictate or limit my liberties and lifestyle.
I love my country and firmly believe it is the Best in the World. Instead of cutting down the Villages, I prefer to maintain a positive attitude toward it, even when a FEW attempt to disparage it. And my politics is that I am an AMERICAN first.

[Altavia]

Today's numbers in Sumter Co.

[Joe V.]

I made an off the cuff suggestion that perhaps I had gained a certain amount of immunity to the flu and colds due to my extensive living and traveling overseas in third world countries. I mentioned that I have never had the flu and rarely catch a cold. Perhaps it is due to an "acquired immune system?" Just a guess as to why I seem to be able to shrug off the same diseases that make others bedridden. I've seen folks drink and eat stuff that would put the average American in the hospital fighting for their lives. Ever heard of "don't drink the water?" So, apparently I encouraged our "poster" that likes to hijack every thread and saturate the thread with his "know it all" on all subjects. Thank you for your input and your extensive knowledge on all subjects. I am amused and almost entertained by the twisting and distorting of one's comments on here to camouflage the troll-like behavior. I appreciate how one can divert the subject to reflect how he thinks other countries are superior to ours, how villagers are idiots and his displeasure with The Villages in general.
I think that I have made it clear that I believe the virus is very dangerous. Science has proven that some folks are either immune to the virus and show no symptoms, become infected and show minor symptoms, become infected and are incapacitated, and some even die from the virus. No one is declaring the virus a hoax. I believe that most of us have known someone that has either had the virus and survived or someone that has died from it or with it. Just because I do not allow the virus to rule my life and stymie my lifestyle, does not mean that I do not take it seriously. I know exactly how some on here feel that have lost family or friends to the virus.
If we are showing a commonality to the OP, I will add that I have lost two family members to the virus, and currently have three that are infected. The three that are infected consist of two in their 40's and one 18yo. I have also known two Villagers in their 80's that had the virus in Feb and one was hospitalized. Both are doing well and back to living a normal life. I have reason to take the virus very seriously and do. That said, I am also pragmatic about it. I take precautions but do not allow other folks panic and hysteria to dictate or limit my liberties and lifestyle.
I love my country and firmly believe it is the Best in the World. Instead of cutting down the Villages, I prefer to maintain a positive attitude toward it, even when a FEW attempt to disparage it. And my politics is that I am an AMERICAN first.

We know that poster. He is a hater so he has to hate.

[Velvet]

I have covid19 right now. Tested positive Friday morning after some fever Wed. and Thur night. Though I am diabetic and take blood pressure and cholesterol meds, I am a healthy 66-year-old man. Being quarantined here in my house (I live alone) has been ok as I have gotten caught up on things that needed to be done. I thank God that it has been a mild case so far and pray for others not as fortunate.

Again, best wishes. It’s been a few days. Hope you are doing well.

[Mikef99]

I have heard of a few that have had it for a day or two, through my family mostly in Missouri. No deaths and all said minor cold symtoms.
I am not recommending it to anyone, but in the same time not to be fearful. I have seen people step in front of traffic here to keep the 6 feet distance which I think is a lot more dangerous.

[eweissenbach]

I have heard of a few that have had it for a day or two, through my family mostly in Missouri. No deaths and all said minor cold symtoms.
I am not recommending it to anyone, but in the same time not to be fearful. I have seen people step in front of traffic here to keep the 6 feet distance which I think is a lot more dangerous.

FWIW eight of the nine I know who have died were in Missouri. Just heard today of an old college and teaching friend who spent five and a half weeks in the hospital with COVID and had a small stroke during that time. He is recovering but said it was very rough.

[willis100]

Again, best wishes. It’s been a few days. Hope you are doing well.

Went back to Paramount to get another test after 14 days. The text message of my results said not only am I still positive for covid19 but they also test for the flu and I was positive for that, also. That is a lie, or a false positive, as I feel as good as I ever have. Are you telling me the flu can also be asymptomatic? I called my doctor to ask why they suggested Paramount and their answer was that "they seemed to be the most honest". My next test will surely not be at Paramount. Thank you for wishing me well...

[coffeebean]

Went back to Paramount to get another test after 14 days. The text message of my results said not only am I still positive for covid19 but they also test for the flu and I was positive for that, also. That is a lie, or a false positive, as I feel as good as I ever have. Are you telling me the flu can also be asymptomatic? I called my doctor to ask why they suggested Paramount and their answer was that "they seemed to be the most honest". My next test will surely not be at Paramount. Thank you for wishing me well...

According to internet sources, the answer is "yes".

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My sister just texted me today - she is sick, and she tested positive for Covid-19. She and her housemate are both symptomatic, plus she has chronic asthma. And they're up north, so there's absolutely nothing I can do to help her.

Except...

to do what I can do, to stay healthy.

And that means:

wear a mask, wash my hands, social distance.

[Velvet]

My sister just texted me today - she is sick, and she tested positive for Covid-19. She and her housemate are both symptomatic, plus she has chronic asthma. And they're up north, so there's absolutely nothing I can do to help her.

Except...

to do what I can do, to stay healthy.

And that means:

wear a mask, wash my hands, social distance.

I wish your sister the best. It must be hard on you so far away. Sending you positive thoughts!

[Pairadocs]

I am not posting this to scare or chastise, but I have heard of many people who know no one who has passed due to the Coronavirus, some of whom think it is really not serious. Well, if that is you, you are fortunate indeed, but I am here to tell you it is very real and very serious. In just the last week I have learned of three deaths; one a teacher and former student of mine; one a former college classmate and friendly competitor when we both coached high school basketball in the same conference; and another a long time family friend. I don’t know if my experience is common, but I am certain it is not unique. I am happy we are beginning the vaccine process, but until immunity is pretty universal, I implore everyone to be careful and vigilant. I do not want to add a TOTV friend to my list.

Personally lost one friend in another state. Only 74 but not in good health at all, she was in a rehab facility as her Parkinson's had become very bad. The virus went through the rehab facility in Illinois quite rapidly killing many who were in weakened conditions. Otherwise, I have 5 close personal friends between 54 and 91 who have had it, all in excellent health and none overweight, who have had the virus but with very slight symptoms. Four of them live in Illinois, one lives in southeast Florida. All are fine.

[Kenswing]

My sister just texted me today - she is sick, and she tested positive for Covid-19. She and her housemate are both symptomatic, plus she has chronic asthma. And they're up north, so there's absolutely nothing I can do to help her.

Except...

to do what I can do, to stay healthy.

And that means:

wear a mask, wash my hands, social distance.
Sorry to hear that, OBB. Hope she gets better in a hurry.

[Pairadocs]

I made an off the cuff suggestion that perhaps I had gained a certain amount of immunity to the flu and colds due to my extensive living and traveling overseas in third world countries. I mentioned that I have never had the flu and rarely catch a cold. Perhaps it is due to an "acquired immune system?" Just a guess as to why I seem to be able to shrug off the same diseases that make others bedridden. I've seen folks drink and eat stuff that would put the average American in the hospital fighting for their lives. Ever heard of "don't drink the water?" So, apparently I encouraged our "poster" that likes to hijack every thread and saturate the thread with his "know it all" on all subjects. Thank you for your input and your extensive knowledge on all subjects. I am amused and almost entertained by the twisting and distorting of one's comments on here to camouflage the troll-like behavior. I appreciate how one can divert the subject to reflect how he thinks other countries are superior to ours, how villagers are idiots and his displeasure with The Villages in general.
I think that I have made it clear that I believe the virus is very dangerous. Science has proven that some folks are either immune to the virus and show no symptoms, become infected and show minor symptoms, become infected and are incapacitated, and some even die from the virus. No one is declaring the virus a hoax. I believe that most of us have known someone that has either had the virus and survived or someone that has died from it or with it. Just because I do not allow the virus to rule my life and stymie my lifestyle, does not mean that I do not take it seriously. I know exactly how some on here feel that have lost family or friends to the virus.
If we are showing a commonality to the OP, I will add that I have lost two family members to the virus, and currently have three that are infected. The three that are infected consist of two in their 40's and one 18yo. I have also known two Villagers in their 80's that had the virus in Feb and one was hospitalized. Both are doing well and back to living a normal life. I have reason to take the virus very seriously and do. That said, I am also pragmatic about it. I take precautions but do not allow other folks panic and hysteria to dictate or limit my liberties and lifestyle.
I love my country and firmly believe it is the Best in the World. Instead of cutting down the Villages, I prefer to maintain a positive attitude toward it, even when a FEW attempt to disparage it. And my politics is that I am an AMERICAN first.

Your rational and well grounded remarks will probably be rejected by the fear mongers so common on here, but always good to see some do actually think things through, and, realize that the broad brush so many paint with on this chat board does (as you pointed out) come from personal fear and often quotes "science" and "experts", but as they say in the judicial system, for every "expert" opinion you get, I can get TWO "experts" to refute it, LOL ! But your words were a breath of fresh, and for once rational, air AND thinking. As for the "twisting and distortion".... it is truly amusing, and if you pay close attention, it seems to follow a certain pattern..... Hummmmm, interesting !

[Pairadocs]

It is all very sad. I know one who died and 4 who had it and are now fine. The question for us is not that we don’t take it seriously, we do, but how are we going to live our lives? We wear masks in public and social distance but we have decided to go see our grandchildren for Christmas. Guess it depends on how you individually feel on a risk/ reward basis. I could not go and die anyway. It’s not wrong or right it is an individual decision.

So TRUE, true, true. I have mused on that very topic many times; do those who fear leaving their own homes (I am assuming otherwise healthy people, not at risk people) ever stop to think that if they don't see that son or daughter, or don't spend Christmas with their grandchildren, or take the longed for vacation..... they may be hit by a car and killed tomorrow morning ? Or, choke on a pretzel and die tonight ! It's really difficult to understand how various people process information and make decisions. One wise person on here expressed that the "risk/reward" factor is an INDIVIDUAL EQUATION, no one, on this forum or your next door, can work out your PERSONAL equation, it's just not possible. What we all must do is allow others to make their decisions and choices, the striking out at innocent friends and neighbors who decide to visit their grand children, or have an anniversary dinner out, or play cards with friends has just got to stop before we have a population of folks obsessed with the personal decisions of others; this is NOT what a mentally healthy society does ! People, right here in our community are letting fear ( of what ? sickness ? death ? or just being "right" ?) actually change their natural personalities, not a good sign !

[Velvet]

What is wrong with people adapting when circumstances are changing? Because they plan to be around next year too? Covid is a natural phenomenon like gravity, ignore it at your peril...is my thinking.

[stanley]

Covid is a natural phenomenon like gravity, ignore it at your peril...is my thinking.

I'm trying to understand this and I can't.

[Pairadocs]

I know how everyone says that the numbers don't lie, but they do lie. How is it that on the average 200,000 people die of the flue every year but this past year it has been almost 0. I would love to get some true numbers and not what the fear mongers want you to believe.

Who says "figures don't lie" ? LOL, I was so naive when I entered graduate school for the fist time, after 3 graduate degrees I learned many, many, things in the fields of study, but most of all grad school taught me there are MANY ways to make figures "say" what you want them to, and all are perfectly "legal".... sort on various fields, change the standard deviation factor of your research theory, change software programs, sort on more or fewer variables, increase/decrease the study groups, ...... let me count the ways ! One tiny illustration here just an example, not a "fact". If you want to make a particular county of a state look "better" or "worse" in relation to any condition or disease... such as a virus like Covid-19. Just one of hundreds of examples; you could take a look at the stats for populations in jails, or prisons, at residential programs, or even at summer camps for youth. By simply expanding or contracting the study, you can manipulate the data to be FACTUAL, and yet, give the conclusion you desire for your "research article". One of my wisest mentor's in grad school began all advanced statistics classes with the phrase " studies show....... fill in the blank". By the time you have completed all of the required advanced statistics classes, you will know why everything in our environment has "studies that show........... ". How prophetic that was....

[Velvet]

I'm trying to understand this and I can't.

Covid like gravity works whether or not you believe in it, fear it or disregard it... it makes no difference to it.

To me it appears that some people hope to minimize the effect Covid has, by challenging statistics, how transmissible it is etc. it makes no difference to Covid. The more we understand how it works the better chance we have to conquer it.

[Pairadocs]

I'm trying to understand this and I can't.

It's difficult to understand that quote, I agree. Ignore at your "peril" ? Ignore everything ? The meningitis my physician said could be picked up from a dirty, un-wiped lunch counter, or under inflated tires ? A loose rug can certainly be a peril.... I about landed in the hospital a week ago taking a very pleasant walk.... enjoying the view of wildlife on a pond and not watching the hundreds of tiny acorn like tree seeds/fruits covering the sidewalk ! Bad fall, the world is a very scary place, and Covid is just one that gets more publicity than many other dangers. Guess a mask would not have protected me from the acorns, but hope it does protect from microscopic particles !

[stanley]

Covid like gravity works whether or not you believe in it, fear it or disregard it... it makes no difference to it.

To me it appears that some people hope to minimize the effect Covid has, by challenging statistics, how transmissible it is etc. it makes no difference to Covid. The more we understand how it works the better chance we have to conquer it.

Glad you said .."to me it appears"....
Always opinion.

I still do not see the correlation between covid and gravity. If it's an analogy, it's a poor one

[Velvet]

Ignore everything? No... if you ignore Covid you may get to see it’s consequences. Sort of like running across a busy highway, you may make it safely but then again....

[Pairadocs]

Absolutely correct thinking period.

Just proves not everyone has completely lost all sense of living while alive. A rational approach and a sign of good mental health. Take sensible precautions, people who NEVER washed their hand after using the restroom will continue to do the same, people who have always kept their fingers OUT of their mouths and off their faces will continue to do so long after the virus. There will always be employees who ignore the "MUST wash your hands before returning to work" signs. Living is a very risky state. Christians are given a very clear set of instructions on how to negotiate it all, and the "instruction book" is available to all, Christians and non Christians alike, no discrimination at the book store !

[Kenswing]

Glad you said .."to me it appears"....
Always opinion.

I still do not see the correlation between covid and gravity. If it's an analogy, it's a poor one

Simple. Gravity sucks. So does the virus.. lol

[Velvet]

Simple. Gravity sucks. So does the virus.. lol

That works. LOL

[stanley]

Ignore everything? No... if you ignore Covid you may get to see it’s consequences. Sort of like running across a busy highway, you may make it safely but then again....

OK...you seem to like analogies. Take your running across a busy highway...."if" you run across at the green you have a much better chance, that's what I'm doing, running with the green, strait on to life if you will. I'm not stopping on that caution light, or the red for that matter.

[Velvet]

Aha, you’re hedging the odds, may it always work for you!

[stanley]

Aha, you’re hedging the odds, may it always work for you!

Thank you

[tophcfa]

I'm trying to understand this and I can't.

Therein lies the problem.

[Velvet]

Therein lies the problem.

You break me up. (Hubby plans to use your quote sometime.)

[Byte1]

Ok, so the reality is that there is a dangerous virus(to some folks). An update to my family is that three of my daughters have or had the virus. Two or three grandchildren have or had the virus, but maybe more of them may have had it and I have not yet been informed. My son-inlaw has it. Everyone is getting better, some within a few days. I know of two neighbors in their 80's that had it and survived. So far, I have only witnessed a couple of incidents where the virus was equal to or worse than the Flu. Maybe those were the Flu but tested positive for the virus? Anyway, the fact is that a whole bunch of folks have had, have or will have the virus before this goes away. That's reality. Personally, if I am not immune to the virus, I would prefer to catch a case of it and get over it than have immunity and still take the vaccination. Just my preference and I do not encourage anyone else to follow suit. I am not an expert on the matter, but apparently the experts are not so "expert" either. I do not hide under my desk when I hear a siren either, since I doubt it will do me much good in the case of a nuclear attack. Just my reasoning, of course.
The family members that have been infected were all younger, the oldest being in her 50's. I believe that I am in better health than most of my infected family members that have easily shrugged the virus off in a matter of days. I am encouraged by that knowledge and fear the virus less. I have never had the Flu so my fear of it is waning also. I still take some precautions, such as consistently washing my hands, keeping my hands away from my face and wiping down my shopping cart with the available wipes at the entrance. I prefer to social distance out of habit and move back when someone that is speaking to me gets too close. It is an auto response on my part. I may not be immune to the Flu but I have not had it and do not get the vaccination. Russian roulette? Perhaps.
Some may feel that I am foolish, but that is my prerogative and it has worked for me for 70 years.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Some may feel that I am foolish, but that is my prerogative and it has worked for me for 70 years.

You'd rather risk a very gruesome, very lonely and isolated death, and risk spreading that virus to everyone you might come in contact with before you present any symptoms, because you don't want to get a vaccine? Wow. You do you, boo.


Meanwhile, my sister might end up intubated, and I'm horrified. This doesn't just affect the person sick. It affects their family, friends, pets, landlords, customers, bosses, every single person and creature their life interacts with is affected.

And yes, I plan on getting the vaccine. It won't be my "turn" for awhile, and I'm okay with that because I'm not at risk. But I'll get it once that window of eligibility opens.

[Byte1]

You'd rather risk a very gruesome, very lonely and isolated death, and risk spreading that virus to everyone you might come in contact with before you present any symptoms, because you don't want to get a vaccine? Wow. You do you, boo.


Meanwhile, my sister might end up intubated, and I'm horrified. This doesn't just affect the person sick. It affects their family, friends, pets, landlords, customers, bosses, every single person and creature their life interacts with is affected.

And yes, I plan on getting the vaccine. It won't be my "turn" for awhile, and I'm okay with that because I'm not at risk. But I'll get it once that window of eligibility opens.

There is a very/VERY low risk of me incurring a "very gruesome, very lonely and isolated death" and if almost everyone is getting the vaccination, how would I be spreading it to everyone I come into contact with? I did NOT say that I was not going to get the vaccination, only that I think that I preferred to catch it and become immune to it naturally, than to find out after I received the vaccination that I was already immune to it. I guess that I should elaborate for those that find it difficult to comprehend my posts. I have been accused of making them way too long as it is. Now you know why.
By the way, the deaths from COVID in Florida as of 24 Dec is 99 per 100,000, which equals about .099 of 1% if I got the zeros correct.
I believe I did say that I believe the virus is serious. I also believe that this new vaccine is a scientific miracle. Don't let panic and hysteria rule your lives.

[Velvet]

Yes, but are you comparing your death rate probability to a young person’s? If you check by age and gender not allowing for comorbidities like overweight etc. then what do you come up with? Although death rate has been trending down it’s not near enough to low for me.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

IMO death rate is irrelevant. The dead don't CARE that they're dead.

The only thing that's relevant is how many people suffer as a result of the virus. That would be the death rate + hospitalization rate + mandatory overtime for staff at hospitals + cost to taxpayers funding the medical care/treatment of people who can't afford to pay for their sickness + cost to families who lose a primary breadwinner + impact on people who get sick, survive the virus, but develop permanent lung and/or heart scarring, thus requiring costly medical treatment for the rest of their lives + etc. etc. etc.

In the scheme of things, the death rate is inconsequential. The rate of impact on the country is profound.

[Byte1]

IMO death rate is irrelevant. The dead don't CARE that they're dead.

The only thing that's relevant is how many people suffer as a result of the virus. That would be the death rate + hospitalization rate + mandatory overtime for staff at hospitals + cost to taxpayers funding the medical care/treatment of people who can't afford to pay for their sickness + cost to families who lose a primary breadwinner + impact on people who get sick, survive the virus, but develop permanent lung and/or heart scarring, thus requiring costly medical treatment for the rest of their lives + etc. etc. etc.

In the scheme of things, the death rate is inconsequential. The rate of impact on the country is profound.

Oops, the sky is a fallin' agin!

[eweissenbach]

Oops, the sky is a fallin' agin!

You obviously have not been impacted - yet! Good for you.

[CFrance]

Some people won't realize the sky is falling because their heads are so deep into the sand.

[tophcfa]

Some people won't realize the sky is falling because their heads are so deep into the sand.

I was thinking the exact same thing, except that their heads are stuck deeply somewhere else besides in the sand.

[John41]

Some people won't realize the sky is falling because their heads are so deep into the sand.

or up someplace

[Boomer]

IMO death rate is irrelevant. The dead don't CARE that they're dead.

The only thing that's relevant is how many people suffer as a result of the virus. That would be the death rate + hospitalization rate + mandatory overtime for staff at hospitals + cost to taxpayers fundiing the medical care/treatment of people who can't afford to pay for their sickness + cost to families who lose a primary breadwinner + impact on people who get sick, survive the virus, but develop permanent lung and/or heart scarring, thus requiring costly medical treatment for the rest of their lives + etc. etc. etc.

In the scheme of things, the death rate is inconsequential. The rate of impact on the country is profound.



Oops, the sky is a fallin' agin!


Orange Blossom Baby,

I hope your sister recovers quickly and stays well. When someone we love is suffering, we feel it deeply and constantly.

You have stated very well how the virus grows arms and legs that are reaching into everything and yet we have people proclaiming they “got rights” while it really looks like they want America to fail — but they cannot even begin to recognize that about themselves. When did so many lose their ability to think critically?

We are finding out who we really are — and who other people really are.

I am disgusted to see that there is someone here who gets his pathetic jollies targeting you with either lame, unoriginal one-liners or manifesto-type harangues claiming superior knowledge. The transparent screen name says it all as it clearly states the attitude toward others.

I also know people who have had the virus. Cases have varied from uneventful to death. I know that we will continue to take common sense precautions and will get the vaccine when it is our time to do so.

Meanwhile, I remain completely mystified by those who cling to their propaganda feeds and conspiracy theories or scraps of old information that allow them to rationalize what they want to believe about the virus.

It’s a weird, weird time in America.

[Pairadocs]

Ok, so the reality is that there is a dangerous virus(to some folks). An update to my family is that three of my daughters have or had the virus. Two or three grandchildren have or had the virus, but maybe more of them may have had it and I have not yet been informed. My son-in law has it. Everyone is getting better, some within a few days. I know of two neighbors in their 80's that had it and survived. So far, I have only witnessed a couple of incidents where the virus was equal to or worse than the Flu. Maybe those were the Flu but tested positive for the virus? Anyway, the fact is that a whole bunch of folks have had, have or will have the virus before this goes away. That's reality. Personally, if I am not immune to the virus, I would prefer to catch a case of it and get over it than have immunity and still take the vaccination. Just my preference and I do not encourage anyone else to follow suit. I am not an expert on the matter, but apparently the experts are not so "expert" either. I do not hide under my desk when I hear a siren either, since I doubt it will do me much good in the case of a nuclear attack. Just my reasoning, of course.
The family members that have been infected were all younger, the oldest being in her 50's. I believe that I am in better health than most of my infected family members that have easily shrugged the virus off in a matter of days. I am encouraged by that knowledge and fear the virus less. I have never had the Flu so my fear of it is waning also. I still take some precautions, such as consistently washing my hands, keeping my hands away from my face and wiping down my shopping cart with the available wipes at the entrance. I prefer to social distance out of habit and move back when someone that is speaking to me gets too close. It is an auto response on my part. I may not be immune to the Flu but I have not had it and do not get the vaccination. Russian roulette? Perhaps.
Some may feel that I am foolish, but that is my prerogative and it has worked for me for 70 years.

Such a rational and enlightened view. I am sure you must have predicted that if you posted something reflecting such a factual, but unemotional, analysis of the entire matter of the virus (as compared to the total risks that exist by just being alive, other diseases, accidents, deaths resulting from humans not in charge of their own emotions, etc. etc.) you would receive replies such as the one suggesting you will suffer a "lonely", agonizing, prolonged death. This is far from the only post I've seen on here making such very pointed (certainly not vague !) threats to others who are taking normal precautions, but do not fear, or even dwell on death, or especially making threats about the death of "others". It tells you a great deal about how the poster's mind works and what dominates their thoughts. Not a healthy way to live, but I recently saw on FB a villager, who posted a written threat of a "horrible death on a ventilator, alone" because why ? ? Because this person had threatened them, or their immediate family..... no, not at all. They made this threat and actually "wished' such a death on the person because they had dared to post about a lovely 45th anniversary dinner they enjoyed at a villages restaurant. Apparently, the poster was not only jealous of the nice evening out in celebration, but also must have felt personally threatened by this couple who they feared were personally endangering others. For this offense, their fellow villager "wished" them a long painful death on a ventilator ! Like 5 years olds in a school yard, the "serves you right" thinking. And, to think we might be sitting NEXT to people who think like this in church (well, 6-10 feet away, but the same people who wish those who do not think as they do, a painful death, could be the very people sitting next to them or greeting them at church or synagogue. What a thought that is, but it could be ! At least some intelligent and loving people live among us...... what ever happened to: "Mamma... said, if you can't say something nice to someone, don't say anything at all." I appreciate, and even feel some relief when I see there are also people among us who are able to analyze (without their personal emotional reactions) not always focus on their own personal fear of what seems to be their own "long lonely death" perhaps ? Some just seem to wish on others who disagree with them what they, themselves, fear the most.... a rather common psychological state, especially in intense times like pandemics, nuclear threats, etc. Thankfully, others here post words that appear to reflect a more rational view of life and living, and are not as focused death and "revenge" for disagreeing with their view of the world. Some do seem to wish their fellow travelers here in this life, the best. Notice some also post more veiled threats along the lines of: glad you've not been affected by the virus...... YET ! Don't think they are really "glad" ! kind of like the southern saying..... " well bless your little heart"..... tongue in cheek of course ! This whole thing has really brought out the very worst in (some) people for sure !

[Pairadocs]

Oops, the sky is a fallin' agin!

The one thing (fact) I think would be interesting is to know the actual death rate in the USA everyday for every type of death; accidents, cancer, alcohol, heart disease, homicide, etc. etc. and then run a statistical via software used for publishing dissertations and research projects where you can run on individual variables. I think it would be very interesting to compare to a very exacting degree (<,>, than say .05 error perhaps) to see once and for all how the virus deaths compare to everyday risks in all categories. Never going to see that because even getting the reliable numbers is impossible it seems... too much ambiguity in how all manner of deaths are even reported and recorded to ever actually have "facts", that's really a shame, a loss for all humanity really. It leaks gradually. Finally this week a bit more on something my physician told me months ago, that weight does matter as a risk factor, now we see they are finally reminding people of the effect of alcohol on the white cells (immune system). May not be permanent immune suppression (unless the person is a heavy daily user) but honestly, do you think Fouchi and the other experts JUST discovered the link with weight and now alcohol ? Why not just make it public from the beginning, and let people make up their own minds about how much risk they can personally tolerate !

[coffeebean]

Oops, the sky is a fallin' agin!

What are your feelings about our hospital system at the brink of collapse? Do you not believe that is actually happening here in our United States? Yes, I do watch the main stream media news and yes this is where I'm seeing this abhorable situation. It scares the s&*% out of me to see that EMTs are having to decide who gets treatment and who doesn't. If a person looks likes they are not survivable, don't bother bringing them to the hospital. This is happening in our United States???

This is like a Grade B movie or worse! And all you can do is mock those who are concerned by saying "the sky is falling". That is enough to make my blood boil. You must be living in a dream world to not be aware of what is happening because of this rampant virus.

[coffeebean]

Such a rational and enlightened view. I am sure you must have predicted that if you posted something reflecting such a factual, but unemotional, analysis of the entire matter of the virus (as compared to the total risks that exist by just being alive, other diseases, accidents, deaths resulting from humans not in charge of their own emotions, etc. etc.) you would receive replies such as the one suggesting you will suffer a "lonely", agonizing, prolonged death. This is far from the only post I've seen on here making such very pointed (certainly not vague !) threats to others who are taking normal precautions, but do not fear, or even dwell on death, or especially making threats about the death of "others". It tells you a great deal about how the poster's mind works and what dominates their thoughts. Not a healthy way to live, but I recently saw on FB a villager, who posted a written threat of a "horrible death on a ventilator, alone" because why ? ? Because this person had threatened them, or their immediate family..... no, not at all. They made this threat and actually "wished' such a death on the person because they had dared to post about a lovely 45th anniversary dinner they enjoyed at a villages restaurant. Apparently, the poster was not only jealous of the nice evening out in celebration, but also must have felt personally threatened by this couple who they feared were personally endangering others. For this offense, their fellow villager "wished" them a long painful death on a ventilator ! Like 5 years olds in a school yard, the "serves you right" thinking. And, to think we might be sitting NEXT to people who think like this in church (well, 6-10 feet away, but the same people who wish those who do not think as they do, a painful death, could be the very people sitting next to them or greeting them at church or synagogue. What a thought that is, but it could be ! At least some intelligent and loving people live among us...... what ever happened to: "Mamma... said, if you can't say something nice to someone, don't say anything at all." I appreciate, and even feel some relief when I see there are also people among us who are able to analyze (without their personal emotional reactions) not always focus on their own personal fear of what seems to be their own "long lonely death" perhaps ? Some just seem to wish on others who disagree with them what they, themselves, fear the most.... a rather common psychological state, especially in intense times like pandemics, nuclear threats, etc. Thankfully, others here post words that appear to reflect a more rational view of life and living, and are not as focused death and "revenge" for disagreeing with their view of the world. Some do seem to wish their fellow travelers here in this life, the best. Notice some also post more veiled threats along the lines of: glad you've not been affected by the virus...... YET ! Don't think they are really "glad" ! kind of like the southern saying..... " well bless your little heart"..... tongue in cheek of course ! This whole thing has really brought out the very worst in (some) people for sure !

Paragraphs please. I refuse to read any post that looks like one run on sentence. Maybe what you had to say was important but I will never know as I did not read it.

[CFrance]

Such a rational and enlightened view. I am sure you must have predicted that if you posted something reflecting such a factual, but unemotional, analysis of the entire matter of the virus (as compared to the total risks that exist by just being alive, other diseases, accidents, deaths resulting from humans not in charge of their own emotions, etc. etc.) you would receive replies such as the one suggesting you will suffer a "lonely", agonizing, prolonged death. This is far from the only post I've seen on here making such very pointed (certainly not vague !) threats to others who are taking normal precautions, but do not fear, or even dwell on death, or especially making threats about the death of "others". It tells you a great deal about how the poster's mind works and what dominates their thoughts. Not a healthy way to live, but I recently saw on FB a villager, who posted a written threat of a "horrible death on a ventilator, alone" because why ? ? Because this person had threatened them, or their immediate family..... no, not at all. They made this threat and actually "wished' such a death on the person because they had dared to post about a lovely 45th anniversary dinner they enjoyed at a villages restaurant. Apparently, the poster was not only jealous of the nice evening out in celebration, but also must have felt personally threatened by this couple who they feared were personally endangering others. For this offense, their fellow villager "wished" them a long painful death on a ventilator ! Like 5 years olds in a school yard, the "serves you right" thinking. And, to think we might be sitting NEXT to people who think like this in church (well, 6-10 feet away, but the same people who wish those who do not think as they do, a painful death, could be the very people sitting next to them or greeting them at church or synagogue. What a thought that is, but it could be ! At least some intelligent and loving people live among us...... what ever happened to: "Mamma... said, if you can't say something nice to someone, don't say anything at all." I appreciate, and even feel some relief when I see there are also people among us who are able to analyze (without their personal emotional reactions) not always focus on their own personal fear of what seems to be their own "long lonely death" perhaps ? Some just seem to wish on others who disagree with them what they, themselves, fear the most.... a rather common psychological state, especially in intense times like pandemics, nuclear threats, etc. Thankfully, others here post words that appear to reflect a more rational view of life and living, and are not as focused death and "revenge" for disagreeing with their view of the world. Some do seem to wish their fellow travelers here in this life, the best. Notice some also post more veiled threats along the lines of: glad you've not been affected by the virus...... YET ! Don't think they are really "glad" ! kind of like the southern saying..... " well bless your little heart"..... tongue in cheek of course ! This whole thing has really brought out the very worst in (some) people for sure !
Your posts are very difficult to read. If you divide your sentences into paragraphs with an empty line between them, it is easier to keep one's place.
I would suggest no more than three or four sentences per paragraph, depending on their length. If they are really long sentences, maybe break them up.

I skipped right over your post because I couldn't find my ruler.:)