Why I will NOT be vaccinated ( and maybe you shouldn't too)

[Stu from NYC]

AND while I am sorta on this subject. Folks who use the term " Big Pharma" are often under the influence of a lot of what I call quackery from alternative medicine, taking supplements that make those people tons of money as well. Go to a doctor you trust who has a traditional medical background and do what he/she says to do. Now remember I am not a medical person, just someone who tries very hard to find the truth.

The only problem I have with Big Pharma is so many drugs they make for those of us with hypertension and high cholesterol, not to mention others, do not cure the condition but put you on a path of taking a pill for the rest of your life.

And we will be taking our second dose of the vaccine later this week and grateful to get it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Agreed. Anyone who believed that the vaccine was a one-and- done really is confused. It's like spraying for mosquitos in the south. You have to do it repeatedly.

You also have to do your part by not creating pools of standing water. Similarly to wearing a mask, washing your hands, and social distancing with regards to preventing a virus, you have to do some preventative stuff of your own, even after you spray with pesticides.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The only problem I have with Big Pharma is so many drugs they make for those of us with hypertension and high cholesterol, not to mention others, do not cure the condition but put you on a path of taking a pill for the rest of your life.

And we will be taking our second dose of the vaccine later this week and grateful to get it.

For -many- (not most, not all) people, the "cure" for hypertension and high cholesterol involves changing your diet and exercise regimen. There are millions of people in this country who suffer needlessly from both, who could -not- suffer at all if they just changed the way they lived. For those people - who -could- be cured but choose not to, there are drugs. For people who -can't- be cured with diet and exercise, there are also drugs.

Also, high cholesterol isn't an illness. It's not something that can be "cured." Just like a natural deficiency in Vitamin D3 - you can take D3 to supplement and bring your levels up, but if you stop taking it, your levels will drop again. There is no "cure" for a Vitamin D3 deficiency. There is also no "cure" for a cold. And there's no "cure" for many many other physiological malfunctions.

That doesn't mean "Big Pharma" is doing something wrong. It means for those things that can actually be treated, Big Pharma is doing its best to treat them.

But don't just dump the lack of a "cure" for high cholesterol and hypertension on Big Pharma.

[Two Bills]

From BBC online news regarding false vaccine claims.

Coronavirus: False vaccine claims debunked - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-56198229)

[Tmarkwald]

From BBC online news regarding false vaccine claims.

Coronavirus: False vaccine claims debunked - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-56198229)

This is a good link!

My problem with these posts is that many of them are encouraging people NOT to get the vaccine, and essentially telling people to play Russian Roulette with their LIVES!

Here is another link just released about the J&J vaccine.

Coronavirus vaccines: How J&J's is different from the others (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/coronavirus-vaccines-how-j-j-s-is-different-from-the-others/ar-BB1e4SlP?ocid=msedgntp)

This also dispels the myth that people have died from the vaccine. NOBODY has died from the vaccine - and there have been very few allergic reactions. Sure there have been a few people who dies after getting the vaccine, but not related to the vaccine. And considering it can be up to 4 weeks before you are protected, it's still best to be cautious and use common sense.

Don't buy into the rhetoric from people who claim to be nurses or doctors or whatever. Read the facts please!

We don't want anyone to hesitate at a chance to protect themselves.

[Boffin]

Interesting:

Getting vaccinated applies a selection pressure, because mutations that help a virus avoid detection by the vaccinated immune system will have an advantage over versions of the virus that don’t include that mutation. So, a virus that contains that mutation is more likely to reproduce and spread to other people.

In most viruses and disease-causing bacteria, the use of treatments and vaccines causes them to evolve ways of escaping them so they can continue to spread. Those that develop resistance to a treatment or can hide from the immune system will survive for longer to replicate and so spread their genetic material.

Immunizing about 60 percent of a population within about a year, and keeping the number of cases down while that happens, will help minimize the chances of the virus mutating significantly.

Ultimately, COVID-19 continues to spread across the globe and more new infections means more opportunities for SARS-CoV-2 to evolve. The virus can't evolve without us -- indeed, it can't survive without us. The simplest way to prevent new variants from emerging is preventing the virus from spreading at all. Our efforts will need to be focused on speeding up the vaccine rollout across the globe and continuing to practice the distancing and hygiene measures we're already adept at.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When everyone in this country that wants to be vaccinated, has been vaccinated, I am through wearing a mask and social distancing. The rest of the country should as well. Everything should be re-opened and we should return to life as it was before.

At that point, if someone contracts the virus because they have not been vaccinated, that's their problem. The rest of the world shouldn't have to be trapped in these protocols because in order the protect the few that decide that they won't get the vaccine.

If we all die from the vaccine, then you'll have the last laugh. I doubt it, but I'm willing to risk it rather than risk the virus and live the rest of my life with these restrictions.

[coffeebean]

When everyone in this country that wants to be vaccinated, has been vaccinated, I am through wearing a mask and social distancing. The rest of the country should as well. Everything should be re-opened and we should return to life as it was before.

At that point, if someone contracts the virus because they have not been vaccinated, that's their problem. The rest of the world shouldn't have to be trapped in these protocols because in order the protect the few that decide that they won't get the vaccine.

If we all die from the vaccine, then you'll have the last laugh. I doubt it, but I'm willing to risk it rather than risk the virus and live the rest of my life with these restrictions.

I totally agree with you. I have said all along that I refuse to protect the anti-vaxxers once everyone who wants the vaccine has been vaccinated. For those who can not take the vaccine for what ever health issues or allergy they have, they must be responsible for their own protection. They can continue to wear the masks and socially distance from others. Sorry, but I will not continue to feel the necessity to protect others at that point. My mask will come off and I will no longer avoid crowds any more. I'm waiting for our government and the experts to tell us when they time will be. Until then, I'll continue to wear a mask indoors and stay clear of others at all times.

[Tmarkwald]

i totally agree with you. I have said all along that i refuse to protect the anti-vaxxers once everyone who wants the vaccine has been vaccinated. For those who can not take the vaccine for what ever health issues or allergy they have, they must be responsible for their own protection. They can continue to wear the masks and socially distance from others. Sorry, but i will not continue to feel the necessity to protect others at that point. My mask will come off and i will no longer avoid crowds any more. I'm waiting for our government and the experts to tell us when they time will be. Until then, i'll continue to wear a mask indoors and stay clear of others at all times.

absolutely!

[aleid13]

I have heard the same thing about vaccinations and transportation services. Pretty soon if you want to board a plane, take a cruise, etc. you'll have to present an official card, or a "vaccine passport" in order to travel.

[jimjamuser]

The interesting thing about climate change is that while 90% of all scientists agree that it is happening they don't all agree on how serious it it.

Al Gore used to say, "Our planet has a fever". When some people get a fever it's a sign of a very serious condition. For other's it's a mild cold or other condition that will be gone in short order.

The devil is in the details. 90% of all scientists do not agree on the long term effects of climate change or whether it is permanent or things will turn around in 100 years.

We've been hearing about the end of the world because of climate change for decades. In 1983 a paper was published saying that the world would end by the year 2000 as we would all be burned to a crisp. Since that didn't happen, many climate change alarmists like Al Gore have predicted things such as all of the polar ice melting and the oceans over flowing. These things were predicted to have happened by now. In fact, none of the predictions of doom have come true.

So does the planet have a mild cold or does it have a serious life threatening condition? Since none of the predictions have come true, I'm betting on the latter and so are a lot of scientists.
Global Warming effects are right NOW in our face. It IS HAPPENING NOW! The fires in Ca. are an example. Miami Beach floods on a high tide, never before. The freeze in Texas is due to warming distortion in the polar regions allowing artic air to drive further southward than in years past. It is NOT something that if happening in the future, we see effects of it right NOW! people get confused about the Texas COLD. Scientists say that it is easier to understand it by calling the phenomenon "Global Weirding".

[swooner]

Not impressed with your background as helpful to the discussion at hand. You can conduct yourself however you choose but for heavens sake, stay far away from me.

[graciegirl]

Global Warming effects are right NOW in our face. It IS HAPPENING NOW! The fires in Ca. are an example. Miami Beach floods on a high tide, never before. The freeze in Texas is due to warming distortion in the polar regions allowing artic air to drive further southward than in years past. It is NOT something that if happening in the future, we see effects of it right NOW! people get confused about the Texas COLD. Scientists say that it is easier to understand it by calling the phenomenon "Global Weirding".

No question of Global Warming. My issue is the lot of money thrown at it that doesn't work.

[Silliness]

To the OP and others with a similar sentiment:

Thank you for opening a space for someone else who truly wants the vaccine.

[Velvet]

Hubby is singing,”Keep that Covid going. How can you stop all the fun we’re having?” La,la,la,la,la. “I fought the Covid, and the Covid won!”

[ronsroni]

You actually believe that you’re safe AND willing to bet the lives of your offspring on that, huh?
There may be ramifications to that when/if one of you gets a variant and it races through your non- masked; under protected household and takes a life.
Covid vaccine causes anaphylaxis?
Well, smoking caused CANCER, COPD, HEART DISEASE AND DISGUSTING TEETH AND BREATH. Ever smoke? Drink?
WT heck is your point?
I’ll go with [U][B]REVERSIBLE[/B
Anaphylaxis anytime.

Masks and gloves for keeping families alive.
BTW: Nurse for 45 years, here.

[ronsroni]

You actually believe that you’re safe AND willing to bet the lives of your offspring on that, huh?
There may be ramifications to that when/if one of you gets a variant and it races through your non- masked; under protected household and takes a life.
Covid vaccine causes anaphylaxis?
Well, smoking causes CANCER, COPD, HEART DISEASE AND DISGUSTING TEETH AND BREATH.
Ever smoke? Drink?
WT heck is your point?

I’ll go with REVERSIBLE
Anaphylaxis anytime.

Masks, soap and gloves for keeping families alive.
BTW: Nurse for 45 years, here.

[JoMar]

The only think you have control over is wearing the mask. Social distancing and crowd size are not under our control without jeopardizing someone's business or job. Someone else makes those decisions. Herd immunity depends on vaccinations, the fewer vaccinated the longer it will take. The longer it takes those that are risk averse will stay away from groups which are needed for businesses to thrive. People lose jobs because their businesses don't have enough traffic. One or two small shots or that ego killing mask have a bigger impact then just perceived personal freedom.

[Get real]

88523

[CFrance]

88523
A, nobody's threatening anybody to take the vaccine, and B, as to this guy's second statement, tell that to the families of the 500,000+ people who have died.

[jimjamuser]

You actually believe that you’re safe AND willing to bet the lives of your offspring on that, huh?
There may be ramifications to that when/if one of you gets a variant and it races through your non- masked; under protected household and takes a life.
Covid vaccine causes anaphylaxis?
Well, smoking caused CANCER, COPD, HEART DISEASE AND DISGUSTING TEETH AND BREATH. Ever smoke? Drink?
WT heck is your point?
I’ll go with [U][B]REVERSIBLE[/B
Anaphylaxis anytime.

Masks and gloves for keeping families alive.
BTW: Nurse for 45 years, here.
I of 3 people in the US KNOWS someone who died of CV. The British variant is in 19% of US cases today and RAPIDLY growing.

[jimjamuser]

The only think you have control over is wearing the mask. Social distancing and crowd size are not under our control without jeopardizing someone's business or job. Someone else makes those decisions. Herd immunity depends on vaccinations, the fewer vaccinated the longer it will take. The longer it takes those that are risk averse will stay away from groups which are needed for businesses to thrive. People lose jobs because their businesses don't have enough traffic. One or two small shots or that ego killing mask have a bigger impact then just perceived personal freedom.
Fix the CV problem quickly 1st. Then the business economy can flourish.

[jswirs]

[QUOTE=coffeebean;1909633 I'm waiting for our government and the experts to tell us when they time will be. Until then, I'll continue to wear a mask indoors and stay clear of others at all times.[/QUOTE]

The government and experts you are waiting for are the same government and same type of experts that announced it was safe for first responders to enter ground zero at 911, the same government and same type of experts that said there is no connection between Agent Orange and cancer, etc., etc. Our government does not care about us, they have their own agenda, which is of primary importance to those in power. All said IMHO.

[Tmarkwald]

A, nobody's threatening anybody to take the vaccine, and B, as to this guy's second statement, tell that to the families of the 500,000+ people who have died.

Well, the US tried to close down a year ago. Instead everyone got invited to Chinatown because people said that the US was over-reacting to the virus.

[Tmarkwald]

I of 3 people in the US KNOWS someone who died of CV. The British variant is in 19% of US cases today and RAPIDLY growing.


I work with Veterans and am an officer of an American Legion post with 900 members. We've lost nobody at all. The question always comes up - do you know anybody who died as a direct result of Covid.

Nobody knows anybody. I am not downplaying the issue in any way. Sure, a couple people have died. Overweight, smokers, with diabetes seems common. But no ramrod healthy individuals. None. I'm sure there are some, but they seems to be so incredibly rare that nobody knows any.

But when you take in comorbidity and other factors?

[coffeebean]

The government and experts you are waiting for are the same government and same type of experts that announced it was safe for first responders to enter ground zero at 911, the same government and same type of experts that said there is no connection between Agent Orange and cancer, etc., etc. Our government does not care about us, they have their own agenda, which is of primary importance to those in power. All said IMHO.

Point very well taken. I personally know someone who is suffering the after effects of Agent Orange. I'm not going to comment on the first responders at ground zero as I have no knowledge of what actually transpired and what they were actually told by our government.

Having said that, I still trust Dr. Fauci and other expert epidemiologists, immunologists and virologists that the vaccines are safe for human "consumption" and will give us the light at the end of the tunnel with this pandemic. I am putting my trust in the people who have devoted to their lives in a valiant chosen profession of epidemiology, immunology and virology. I also trust the pharmaceutical companies who used modern technology to develop these vaccines. I trust the process which has brought us this far in this war against an invisible enemy.

I'm not without pause that there may be some risk involved with exposing myself to the mRNA vaccine but it is a risk I am willing to take. For me, the benefit outweighs the risk. I made the decision to be inoculated. Every other person on this earth will be faced with making that choice also not only for themselves but their children .

Life is a crap shoot. Choose wisely and I hope you make the correct decision for yourself and your family.

[coffeebean]

I work with Veterans and am an officer of an American Legion post with 900 members. We've lost nobody at all. The question always comes up - do you know anybody who died as a direct result of Covid.

Nobody knows anybody. I am not downplaying the issue in any way. Sure, a couple people have died. Overweight, smokers, with diabetes seems common. But no ramrod healthy individuals. None. I'm sure there are some, but they seems to be so incredibly rare that nobody knows any.

But when you take in comorbidity and other factors?

I didn't know this guy personally, but I did see him perform on Broadway. His wife, who is also a performer, claims her husband was very healthy with no commodities. He put up a valiant fight before he died of Covid, including having a leg amputated that he was unaware of because he was in a coma. His name is Nick Cordero.

Broadway Actor Nick Cordero Dead at 41 of Coronavirus - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/obituaries/nick-cordero-dead-coronavirus.html)

This is Nick performing "T'ain't Nobody's Business if I Do" in "Bullets Over Broadway". He opens the number and that is his real life wife that he hands the gun to in the beginning......
68th Tony Awards Performance Bullets Over Broadway - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA0Krpcyr60)

Nick Cordero. Dead at 41 from Covid, NOT with Covid.

[jimjamuser]

The government and experts you are waiting for are the same government and same type of experts that announced it was safe for first responders to enter ground zero at 911, the same government and same type of experts that said there is no connection between Agent Orange and cancer, etc., etc. Our government does not care about us, they have their own agenda, which is of primary importance to those in power. All said IMHO.
ANY government can make SOME mistakes. People make mistakes ALL the time. The government gave us Social Security which no one except maybe an upper 1% er would complain about. We get free roads. We get improved weather reporting with weather satellites. We get protection from invasion by Russia or China. We get protection from external and internal terrorism. We get protection from criminals and criminal gangs. The US government system is set up to balance or neutralize any power grabs from one branch or individual. The Supreme court and the Justice system as a whole prevent power abuses. Free speech and free media are encouraged. I will stop, but I could have gone on and on. Yes, the system is NOT perfect, but NOTHING is!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I work with Veterans and am an officer of an American Legion post with 900 members. We've lost nobody at all. The question always comes up - do you know anybody who died as a direct result of Covid.

Nobody knows anybody. I am not downplaying the issue in any way. Sure, a couple people have died. Overweight, smokers, with diabetes seems common. But no ramrod healthy individuals. None. I'm sure there are some, but they seems to be so incredibly rare that nobody knows any.

But when you take in comorbidity and other factors?

EVERYONE will die. Every single person on this planet will die. Take death out of the equation completely, because it has nothing to do with anything. And yes, I know one person who died.

Instead, consider how many people will live with health problems that they didn't have before they got COVID. I know several people who have lasting health conditions as a direct result of the virus. Including my own sister.

So stuff it.

[jimjamuser]

I work with Veterans and am an officer of an American Legion post with 900 members. We've lost nobody at all. The question always comes up - do you know anybody who died as a direct result of Covid.

Nobody knows anybody. I am not downplaying the issue in any way. Sure, a couple people have died. Overweight, smokers, with diabetes seems common. But no ramrod healthy individuals. None. I'm sure there are some, but they seems to be so incredibly rare that nobody knows any.

But when you take in comorbidity and other factors?
I got the 1 out of 3 people from reading the NY Times. And they were talking about nationally. I assume (?) that they took a survey. The same article showed a graph of the 19% of new cases caused by the British variant. I consider the NY times to be a good source. Many in TV Land believe otherwise. I also believe that the US has had over 500,000 deaths DUE to CV - not something like that I have read on this forum - like someone died because they were pushed by the tooth fairy off of a cliff, but it statistically became a CV death because those big, bad, greedy Hospital Administrators corrupted the statistics to get more money. That is the BS, the fairy dust. I also believe what I see and hear on CNN and MSNBC. So, if some don't like that - then so sad, too bad, go pound salt (whatever that means?).

[jimjamuser]

Point very well taken. I personally know someone who is suffering the after effects of Agent Orange. I'm not going to comment on the first responders at ground zero as I have no knowledge of what actually transpired and what they were actually told by our government.

Having said that, I still trust Dr. Fauci and other expert epidemiologists, immunologists and virologists that the vaccines are safe for human "consumption" and will give us the light at the end of the tunnel with this pandemic. I am putting my trust in the people who have devoted to their lives in a valiant chosen profession of epidemiology, immunology and virology. I also trust the pharmaceutical companies who used modern technology to develop these vaccines. I trust the process which has brought us this far in this war against an invisible enemy.

I'm not without pause that there may be some risk involved with exposing myself to the mRNA vaccine but it is a risk I am willing to take. For me, the benefit outweighs the risk. I made the decision to be inoculated. Every other person on this earth will be faced with making that choice also not only for themselves but their children .

Life is a crap shoot. Choose wisely and I hope you make the correct decision for yourself and your family.
Well spoken! The sound and smell of coffee is magic in the air. Kudos!

[jimjamuser]

EVERYONE will die. Every single person on this planet will die. Take death out of the equation completely, because it has nothing to do with anything. And yes, I know one person who died.

Instead, consider how many people will live with health problems that they didn't have before they got COVID. I know several people who have lasting health conditions as a direct result of the virus. Including my own sister.

So stuff it.
Like I tried to warn 1 in 3 are getting it. And since the British variant has more capacity to spread easily, then the odds may soon become 4 out of 9 and then 1 in every 2nd person. The vaccines are now more readily available so that could swing those odds back to a brighter side. But, one thing I am sure of, is that this CV story is NOT over as much as TV Landers would like it to be. I just basically relay what I hear from sources that I respect because there is a lot of misinformation being spread 2nd hand by TV Landers. So, in good conscience, I can't ignore it because we are talking about life or death information.

[islandkin]

Thank you for your factual information. I am grappling with my decision to get the Johnson and Johnson shot. I do not get flu shots or other preventative vaccinations. I am seriously thinking about getting the Covid Vaccine but have some serious doubts after reading your post. Keep spreading the information regardless of those who criticize. Last time I checked we still had freedom of speech. (Although its getting a bit sketchy.)

[sounding]

Completely agree. We're with you! We follow the data -- not the consensus.

[coffeebean]

Thank you for your factual information. I am grappling with my decision to get the Johnson and Johnson shot. I do not get flu shots or other preventative vaccinations. I am seriously thinking about getting the Covid Vaccine but have some serious doubts after reading your post. Keep spreading the information regardless of those who criticize. Last time I checked we still had freedom of speech. (Although its getting a bit sketchy.)

Governor Ron DeSantis received the J&J vaccine, quietly. I wish he was vaccinated in the public eye to give people the message that the vaccine is safe.

Ron DeSantis gets Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine | firstcoastnews.com (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/nation-world/desantis-covid-vaccine-governors/507-d9211fac-44fe-4da1-b6e2-ea8903815b24)

[MDLNB]

Governor Ron DeSantis received the J&J vaccine, quietly. I wish he was vaccinated in the public eye to give people the message that the vaccine is safe.

Ron DeSantis gets Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine | firstcoastnews.com (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/nation-world/desantis-covid-vaccine-governors/507-d9211fac-44fe-4da1-b6e2-ea8903815b24)


He said that he would wait his turn and he did. I respect that.

[Kenswing]

Governor Ron DeSantis received the J&J vaccine, quietly. I wish he was vaccinated in the public eye to give people the message that the vaccine is safe.

Ron DeSantis gets Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine | firstcoastnews.com (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/nation-world/desantis-covid-vaccine-governors/507-d9211fac-44fe-4da1-b6e2-ea8903815b24)
Just because he got the vaccine doesn't mean it's safe. It just means he got the vaccine.

Now before you go and label me an anti-vaxxer. I'm not. I will be getting the vaccine as soon as I get to Florida.

[Tmarkwald]

Completely agree. We're with you! We follow the data -- not the consensus.

Yep, and in the end over 75% of the US will follow the data, get inoculated, and return to society.

The anti-vaxxers are the reason we aren't moving along faster and getting past this.

[Madelaine Amee]

Personally, I have no problem with anyone refusing to be vaccinated, it is their choice. However, when the new international variants start moving freely through society, they may wish they had taken that jab in the arm .... lot easier in the end.

As for masks, no problem there either, I wear my mask when a store requires it, good for me and good for you. There will be a lot less common colds around in the winter months.

[coffeebean]

He said that he would wait his turn and he did. I respect that.

I respect he waited his turn too. Just wish he was vaccinated in the "public eye" to set an example for those who are on the fence about getting vaccinated. He just may have encouraged someone to get the shot.

[AJ32162]

I respect he waited his turn too. Just wish he was vaccinated in the "public eye" to set an example for those who are on the fence about getting vaccinated. He just may have encouraged someone to get the shot.

Some would probably see that as grandstanding. I guess you can't please everyone.

[asianthree]

I respect he waited his turn too. Just wish he was vaccinated in the "public eye" to set an example for those who are on the fence about getting vaccinated. He just may have encouraged someone to get the shot.

Hundreds of thousands have made decisions on their own, to vaccinate or not. Seeing a political figure publicly getting a vaccine, will not change those who are choosing not to vaccinate. It is their right to choose, not a decision for others to make for them.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

We totally agree! This is not really a Vaccine folks. Our Government has not been honest with us many times over history... not to mention the lying Media.

Of course it’s your choice... but be aware that no one knows what the long term effects of these so called vaccines might be! It’s a crap shoot.

[Tmarkwald]

We totally agree! This is not really a Vaccine folks. Our Government has not been honest with us many times over history... not to mention the lying Media.

Of course it’s your choice... but be aware that no one knows what the long term effects of these so called vaccines might be! It’s a crap shoot.

I just find it hard to believe so many people are taking to do any research on the vaccines. The vaccines have been out for over 10 years, and modified for covid.

But there are still people who seem to think they are invincible and refuse to get vaccinated. TV should be an environment of intelligence and science, not paranoia.

Anti-vaxxers are slowing down the return to normalcy. But Darwin will persevere.....

[Sabella]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired
Responses to your post are being met with the argument that the CDC, WHO, MEDICAL EXPERTS, SCIENCE EXPERTS, THE GOVERNMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES don’t lie. I have a bridge to sell these people.

[jswirs]

ANY government can make SOME mistakes. People make mistakes ALL the time. The government gave us Social Security which no one except maybe an upper 1% er would complain about. We get free roads. We get improved weather reporting with weather satellites. We get protection from invasion by Russia or China. We get protection from external and internal terrorism. We get protection from criminals and criminal gangs. The US government system is set up to balance or neutralize any power grabs from one branch or individual. The Supreme court and the Justice system as a whole prevent power abuses. Free speech and free media are encouraged. I will stop, but I could have gone on and on. Yes, the system is NOT perfect, but NOTHING is!
And the problem with that thinking is, you are putting yourself at risk. Essentially, if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject. All that you have mentioned has nothing at all to do with your own personal health.

[Tmarkwald]

While some people say your antibody levels are one of the most direct indicators of a vaccine's efficacy, the CDC advises otherwise. "Antibody testing is not recommended to assess for immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following COVID-19 vaccination," the agency notes on their website.

"After the vaccines, a lot people are going to get antibody testing—'Oh, I want to see if it's working.' It actually has very little correlation," infectious disease expert Rob Murphy, MD, told The Washington Post. "Many people will test negative on the antibody test, and that does not mean the vaccine didn't work."

[Tmarkwald]

Essentially, if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject.

Studies and clinical trials on RNA vaccines for other viruses – and even cancers – have been going on for a decade.

Nobody getting the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is a test subject of any kind. These are not experimental vaccines in any way. And they do not modify your dna.

Three ways RNA is being used in the next generation of medical treatment (https://theconversation.com/three-ways-rna-is-being-used-in-the-next-generation-of-medical-treatment-158190)

[Bill14564]

Responses to your post are being met with the argument that the CDC, WHO, MEDICAL EXPERTS, SCIENCE EXPERTS, THE GOVERNMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES don’t lie. I have a bridge to sell these people.

One slight addition: "around the world."

The CDC, WHO, medical experts around the world, science experts around the world, governments around the world, and pharmaceutical companies all believe it is safe and back those claims with research and analysis of the data.

I think I'll believe them over a small handful of posters on ToTV (to include David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired) and some facebook posts that say it is unsafe and back those claims with their strongly held opinions.

[graciegirl]

And the problem with that thinking is, you are putting yourself at risk. Essentially, if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject. All that you have mentioned has nothing at all to do with your own personal health.

I say, sir/madame, that on this subject you are incorrectly informed, uninformed, and it makes me suspicious as to what and who you are reading.

You say "You are putting yourself at risk. Essentially (you say), if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject".

I say...Essentially if you do NOT take the vaccine, that essentially you could be completely and very DEAD.

I get so upset when I see people swallow whole things passed from ear to ear, from recorded page to recorded page on Youtube, as Kosher, Valid, Truthful and Trustworthy.

As many have said, it is not only happening here but all over the globe. We have witnessed millions of people dead from this damned bug. I will take my chance on the scientists of this world. And I did. Two shots of Moderna. Our family has also been given Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson and in England, Astra-Zeneca... I do have some worries about the clotting issue there. Someone I knew who was very vocal on the same subject of not trusting the vaccine is now dead. I am not trying to tell this poster to change, just to vette their sources.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Thank you for responding intelligently, to a nitwit post.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Responses to your post are being met with the argument that the CDC, WHO, MEDICAL EXPERTS, SCIENCE EXPERTS, THE GOVERNMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES don’t lie. I have a bridge to sell these people.

It's not that they don't "lie," but rather, their information is more reliable than the information of some random guy on the internet who knows a guy who did some research (googled a subject) who wrote a "paper" and published it on a website where anyone who knows how to upload a file can publish anything at all.

In addition, you're choosing to believe this one random guy, while the entire WORLD - the planet - the globe - the governments of every single country that exists - are working together to eradicate this virus - or at least minimize risk and minimize deaths AND long-haul symptoms and complications from surviving the virus.

So the whole world says "this is most likely true as far as we can tell at the moment" and this one guy says "they're all lying" and you prefer to believe that one guy.

I can't say I'm surprised, given the collective mentality of various and sundry groups of people. I can't even say I'm disappointed, since I set my standards pretty low with regards to certain segments of humanity.

[coffeebean]

Some would probably see that as grandstanding. I guess you can't please everyone.

Do you consider this "grandstanding"? I certainly do not. It is a much needed effort..........

Former Presidents and First Ladies ‘It’s Up To You’ :60 | Ad Council and COVID Collaborative - YouTube (https://youtu.be/eCza6UGmRTk)

[coffeebean]

Hundreds of thousands have made decisions on their own, to vaccinate or not. Seeing a political figure publicly getting a vaccine, will not change those who are choosing not to vaccinate. It is their right to choose, not a decision for others to make for them.

I read other forums besides this one. Cruise forums are a great cross section of folks from all over this country and from overseas.

There are some, I won't say a lot, but some, who have actually changed their minds about not getting vaccinated and have either already been vaccinated or are waiting their turn for vaccination.

Some minds were changed when they found out that the Trumps were vaccinated. Some changed their minds when they found out that cruising would not be a possibility unless they got the vaccine. Some changed their minds when they realized that the vaccines were not a product of the devil.

There is always a possibility that someone will change their mind and get vaccinated once they are educated about these available vaccines, specifically the mRNA vaccines that people seem to feel are too "new" to be safe.

[coffeebean]

We totally agree! This is not really a Vaccine folks. Our Government has not been honest with us many times over history... not to mention the lying Media.

Of course it’s your choice... but be aware that no one knows what the long term effects of these so called vaccines might be! It’s a crap shoot.

mRNA vaccines are most certainly vaccines. Here is a definition from Miriam-Webster........
Please take note of definition B.
Vaccine | Definition of Vaccine by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine)

[sounding]

They must be really desperate when old presidents are resurrected to try and influence human behavior. We never saw them tell you to buy cell phones to save your life in emergencies. This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

[coffeebean]

They must be really desperate when old presidents are resurrected to try and influence human behavior. We never saw them tell you to buy cell phones to save your life in emergencies. This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"
I wouldn't use the word "desperate". I would use the word "mindful" or "earnest". Using celebrities is nothing new to try to convince a society of doubters that vaccines are safe, effective and necessary to kick deadly diseases to the curb.

One example.......
Elvis Presley & the Role Celebrities Can Play in Convincing People to Get Vaccines (https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a35003383/elvis-presley-celebrities-vaccines/)

[Tmarkwald]

This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

uh, what?

[coffeebean]

They must be really desperate when old presidents are resurrected to try and influence human behavior. We never saw them tell you to buy cell phones to save your life in emergencies. This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

The vaccines were given emergency use authorization by the FDA for mass vaccination effort for our population. That is good enough for me! The benefits of the vaccine far, far outweigh the risks, for me.

[bobdeb]

It's so difficult at times to determine which way some folks are leaning.

Some things are a personal choice.

[canyonblue]

Billy Joel reminded me...........

Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"
Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkweather homicide, children of thalidomide


"We didn't start the fire"

[dougjb]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Rarely have I read a more useless and poorly thought out posting in TOTV. This is just another of a series of posts that is made by someone with no epidemiological background who cherry picks stats and statements that are simply not relevant to the COVID-19 vaccines. It shows no understanding of mRNA and how it works. It shows no understanding of why the mRNA vaccines are completely different from the other vaccines quoted in the post. It relates how small pox vaccines are no longer given. The reason for the small pox vaccine not being given is because the disease has been eradicated. How has it been eradicated? By vaccinating the earth's population. We are close to that same result with polio. The way we beat COVID is by getting vaccinated...all of us!

[GrumpyOldMan]

It seems so many comments are just reposted for any topic that comes along.

"America is still free" - yes free, but there are laws that are there to protect each of us from the carelessness of others, you can't ALWAYS do what you want. And sometimes you shouldn't do what YOU want. Because you can do something is not the same as you should

"The media lies" - sometimes they write to have a slant, there are not "balanced" media anymore not since the news became a profit center.

"All those posts about... xyz" are just a bunch of elitists, trying to look smart

And on any given subject about stopping the virus. No one thing will solve the problem, masks, social distancing, vaccinations, etc. All of them help, each thing you do helps, none of them are perfect solutions. It seems many people here want perfect solutions and are not willing to do anything if it alone isn't perfect. That is not very smart.

[Tmarkwald]

The reason for the small pox vaccine not being given is because the disease has been eradicated. How has it been eradicated? By vaccinating the earth's population. We are close to that same result with polio. The way we beat COVID is by getting vaccinated...all of us!

And that is as pure and true as it can get.

[Love2Swim]

I tried looking up this "D H Dallas, retired RN" etc., and couldn't find anything on him, except for some unsubstantiated internet posts floating around. It always amazes me that people will completely ignore scientists and real doctors, and accept as fact these unproven random internet posts from someone who is just posting their unqualified opinion. So some old, possibly senile, retired RN isn't getting a vaccine. I'm supposed to care about this why? What a ridiculous thread.

[Madelaine Amee]

Did anyone watch the Evangelistic Pastor in Louisiana who is preaching anti-vaccination? A witch doctor in the jungle would have more intelligence! What an ignorant country we are becoming.

[Mary Mac]

Thanks for posting this...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It seems so many comments are just reposted for any topic that comes along.

"America is still free" - yes free, but there are laws that are there to protect each of us from the carelessness of others, you can't ALWAYS do what you want. And sometimes you shouldn't do what YOU want. Because you can do something is not the same as you should

"The media lies" - sometimes they write to have a slant, there are not "balanced" media anymore not since the news became a profit center.

"All those posts about... xyz" are just a bunch of elitists, trying to look smart

And on any given subject about stopping the virus. No one thing will solve the problem, masks, social distancing, vaccinations, etc. All of them help, each thing you do helps, none of them are perfect solutions. It seems many people here want perfect solutions and are not willing to do anything if it alone isn't perfect. That is not very smart.

The bold/underlined part - wasn't always true. But a certain change to the regulation revoked what was known as the Fairness Doctrine. Because, y'know, the big interest in minimal government and free enterprise. Seems the people who make the biggest fuss about "fake news" are the same people who supported the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, which required "truthful news."

[graciegirl]

The bold/underlined part - wasn't always true. But a certain change to the regulation revoked what was known as the Fairness Doctrine. Because, y'know, the big interest in minimal government and free enterprise. Seems the people who make the biggest fuss about "fake news" are the same people who supported the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, which required "truthful news."

I had not heard of "The Fairness Doctrine". Here is what I found;

Fairness Doctrine
The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC eliminated the policy in 1987 and removed the rule that implemented the policy from the Federal Register in August 2011.
Wikipedia

The "change" appears to have occurred in 2011.

Hmmm.

[Bucco]

I had not heard of "The Fairness Doctrine". Here is what I found;

Fairness Doctrine
The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC eliminated the policy in 1987 and removed the rule that implemented the policy from the Federal Register in August 2011.
Wikipedia



The "change" appears to have occurred in 2011.

Hmmm.

"The Supreme Court has recognized that regulations similar to the Fairness Doctrine, when applied to the print media, are not constitutional. If regulations similar to the Fairness Doctrine could not withstand strict scrutiny when applied to the print media, it appears unlikely that similar regulations would withstand such scrutiny when applied to cable or satellite providers."

FACT CHECK: Did Ronald Reagan Pave the Way for Fox News By Repealing the 'Fairness Doctrine'? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-reagan-fairness-doctrine/)

The regulation was disallowed earlier and finally actually taken off the books in 2011 during a clean up of partial regulations that simply were crowding the books.

The "hmmmm" in your reply got my attention.

[graciegirl]

"The Supreme Court has recognized that regulations similar to the Fairness Doctrine, when applied to the print media, are not constitutional. If regulations similar to the Fairness Doctrine could not withstand strict scrutiny when applied to the print media, it appears unlikely that similar regulations would withstand such scrutiny when applied to cable or satellite providers."

FACT CHECK: Did Ronald Reagan Pave the Way for Fox News By Repealing the 'Fairness Doctrine'? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-reagan-fairness-doctrine/)

The regulation was disallowed earlier and finally actually taken off the books in 2011 during a clean up of partial regulations that simply were crowding the books.

The "hmmmm" in your reply got my attention.

I don't understand your post. Could you use more words?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Did anyone watch the Evangelistic Pastor in Louisiana who is preaching anti-vaccination? A witch doctor in the jungle would have more intelligence! What an ignorant country we are becoming.

I think it is more about tribalism than ignorance.

We have been indoctrinating our kids with tribalism since before we were kids.

Remember the school pep rallies where we were encouraged to scream about how the other school we were about to meet on the football field was evil!

Say something enough times and you will believe it. Once you believe that, then believing the next tribal "truth" becomes easier until eventually black becomes white, and no amount of truth, science, or facts will make any difference.

Sadly, the "other school" was doing the same to their students. So, both sides are acting tribal.

[Tmarkwald]

I think it is more about tribalism than ignorance.

We have been indoctrinating our kids with tribalism since before we were kids.

Remember the school pep rallies where we were encouraged to scream about how the other school we were about to meet on the football field was evil!

Say something enough times and you will believe it. Once you believe that, then believing the next tribal "truth" becomes easier until eventually black becomes white, and no amount of truth, science, or facts will make any difference.

Sadly, the "other school" was doing the same to their students. So, both sides are acting tribal.

We're getting a bit off topic, but I see your point. And then we have the demographic that figures it easier to let the "gov'mint" provide them a paycheck rather than work. They are being taught this at home.

And now, to make it much worse, all these people with multiple kids and no desire to work are getting a monthly stipend AS WELL as unemployment checks far exceeding anything reasonable.

Don't get me started..

[NonResident]

...never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Be forewarned... failure to follow the narrative will lead to ostracizing, you being an outcast, and all of your papers and research being discounted in the medical community.