Why I will NOT be vaccinated ( and maybe you shouldn't too)

[dhdallas]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

[Tmarkwald]

WOW - well the entire medical community and the CDC disagree.

If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine?

Yes. Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, vaccine should be offered to you regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 infection. CDC is providing recommendations to federal, state, and local governments about who should be vaccinated first.

At this time, experts do not know how long someone is protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. The immunity someone gains from having an infection, called natural immunity, varies from person to person. Some early evidence suggests natural immunity may not last very long.

We won’t know how long immunity produced by vaccination lasts until we have more data on how well the vaccines work.

Both natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are important aspects of COVID-19 that experts are trying to learn more about, and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.

Will a COVID-19 vaccination protect me from getting sick with COVID-19?

Yes. COVID-19 vaccination works by teaching your immune system how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19, and this protects you from getting sick with COVID-19.

Being protected from getting sick is important because even though many people with COVID-19 have only a mild illness, others may get a severe illness, have long-term health effects, or even die. There is no way to know how COVID-19 will affect you, even if you don’t have an increased risk of developing severe complications. Learn more about how COVID-19 vaccines work.

Will a COVID-19 vaccine alter my DNA?

No. COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.

Messenger RNA vaccines—also called mRNA vaccines—are the first COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the United States. mRNA vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response. The mRNA from a COVID-19 vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept. This means the mRNA cannot affect or interact with our DNA in any way. Instead, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease. Learn more about how COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work. ​

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. That immune response and making antibodies is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.

source: Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov %2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2Fvaccine-benefits%2Ffacts.html)

[bilcon]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

I read your report and found it very interesting. My wife and I are both in our 80's and I have heart problems. While up in NY for Christmas I had my second test (first negative) and when I arrived back in Florida, I found the test results said I tested positive. I had no symptoms except for a cough, which I always get when I go north in the winter. I had no headache, no fever, no shortness of breath. For the next week or two I just felt tired and had no energy. My wife got Covid from me, and she had a fever for 1 day and also felt tired for a week or two. We are both fine now and have had no lingering symptoms. We are very Leary of getting the vaccine. Thank you for your report.

[Justus]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

I, as well as my husband, a PHD in physiology and biophysics, happen to agree with you, and your previous posts, 100%. Thousands of physicians across the globe do, as well. You are experiencing the result of a dissenting voice among a groupthinkers. The only ammunition they have is ad hominem attacks, as the authors of the Great Barrington Project and their colleagues have. Thank you for your courage in speaking your mind.

[vintageogauge]

I, as well as my husband, a PHD in physiology and biophysics, happen to agree with you, and your previous posts, 100%. Thousands of physicians across the globe do, as well. You are experiencing the result of a dissenting voice among a groupthinkers. The only ammunition they have is ad hominem attacks, as the authors of the Great Barrington Project and their colleagues have. Thank you for your courage in speaking your mind.

And I, as a high school graduate, say WHAT?

[graciegirl]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

I have NO background in healthcare. I am skeptical about some of your assumed facts. In the first sentence you say; "Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. "

Your neighbors??? We live in an enclosed village of 54 homes that communicate well and only one couple has had Covid-19 in the year since we became aware of it. There is a lot of communication among friends on Facebook about Covid etc. here in The Villages and I am not aware of a LOT of people anywhere here having Covid, enough to say that we could count on a general group being immune.

I could and can debate and refute several of your other statements...and agree with the fact that some people react to things like a vaccine that had an element that they are extremely allergic to, such as eggs. Most mothers know about anaphylactic shock, and allergic reactions that cause some of us to carry an Epi-pen. ( a shot of epinephrine that people use as a first reaction to a severe allergy. I have not heard of any deaths from the vaccine at all in the last four weeks with over a million people vaccinated in Florida.

I will not try further to change your mind. I think you are afraid.

[graciegirl]

I, as well as my husband, a PHD in physiology and biophysics, happen to agree with you, and your previous posts, 100%. Thousands of physicians across the globe do, as well. You are experiencing the result of a dissenting voice among a groupthinkers. The only ammunition they have is ad hominem attacks, as the authors of the Great Barrington Project and their colleagues have. Thank you for your courage in speaking your mind.

Here is one of your previous posts on the subject;

Justus

Fauci is one voice. The voices of thousands upon thousands of doctors and medical researchers across the world vehemently disagree with him. They have been silenced and discredited by the media and others who share a common agenda. Never in the history of pandemics has there been such a usurpation of personal freedoms. Never in the history of the world has a child been born to a world of faceless automatons. Never have so many had to die of any cause, absent of the comfort of loved ones.
__________________
Old Yeller

Can you link me to Five doctors? I require they are employed or associated with one of the top ten teaching hospitals so honored by Time Magazine every year.

Can you link me to five researchers? I require that they are part of a learning association that is linked to one of the five top Hospitals in the U.S. like Johns Hopkins, The Mayo Clinic etc?

Sometimes when a horrible disease threatens the lives of people across the entire planet we have to change the way we do things.

Some people are not open to being told what to do under any circumstances.

[EdFNJ]

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired


Nice job plucking statements from sources that allegedly prove your point. Where has it been scientifically proven that overcoming Covid-19 (OR EVEN GETTING THE VACCINE) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year? That fact you WERE a REGISTERED NURSE and an EMT does not give you the right to tell OTHER PEOPLE not to get vaccinated. Your bonifides don't classify you as a scientist, immunologist or even a doctor. I'm glad you don't "CLAIM" to be an expert but your statement tries to make you look like one and could affect the lives of others. You are entitled to sn opinion but please state it JUST YOUR OPINION.

[Garywt]

I for one will disagree with you. As a person with incurable cancer I put my life in my doctors hands everyday. When he called and told me that he and his staff had approved to have stem cell transplant patients to get the vaccine I said ok. The decision was taken out of my hands. Add in that it is said that having Covid does not guarantee one of not getting it again seems to be opposite of your thoughts. In addition, masks are required in many places and until 80% of the population is vaccinated masks will be required so not sure why you feel you don’t need to be part of the solution.

As for your background, I have much experience myself as I am married to a wonderful nurse and know many others including my sister. The great nurses roll up their sleeves and do the work needed. The others keep getting educated to avoid the hard work and preach their opinions on everyone trying to scare people or cause issues such as “the sky is falling” to quote a wonderful story.

[johnadamsUSMC]

Nice job plucking statements from sources that allegedly prove your point. Where has it been scientifically proven that overcoming Covid-19 (OR EVEN GETTING THE VACCINE) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year? That fact you WERE a REGISTERED NURSE and an EMT does not give you the right to tell OTHER PEOPLE not to get vaccinated. Your bonifides don't classify you as a scientist, immunologist or even a doctor. I'm glad you don't "CLAIM" to be an expert but your statement tries to make you look like one and could affect the lives of others. You are entitled to sn opinion but please state it JUST YOUR OPINION.

Nowhere in his report does he say "Don't get this vaccination" or did I miss that. To me. IN MY OPINION, you believe everything the media tells you without doing the research that this person and another medically qualified person have stated on TOTV. Like I tell all my students "opinions can never be wrong" (think about that). It's merely your opinion. Your Kool Aid is getting warm

[thelegges]

As of this morning I truly believe this is still a free country, that I fought for. Those who choose to get the vaccine, it is your choice. Unless your immediate family, friends, news, print, or net, made that decision for you.

The OP didn’t mention the drug used in the 50s to keep pregnant women from miscarriage. DES was widely used, with little study, or actual proof, if it actually worked.

While the drug didn’t seem to have an adverse to patient. The children born, were diagnosed with multiple types of cancer. Of course it took up to 18 years for cancer to show up and be diagnosed.

Agent Orange, took close to 40 years, before there was a connection.

To those who deemed the OP AFRAID, I find any human who researches, considers the pro and cons, and make their own personal choices, should not be bullied into changing their thoughts. Their body, their life.

Many healthcare workers that I have been involved with over the last 50 years, are taking a step back, and not being vaccinated at this time. Some will say healthcare workers should be forced to be vaccinated. But those in childbearing years, pregnant, or immune compromised, who have worked through this, and are still standing without the vaccine, I applaud them for making their own choices. I won’t want them to find out 30-40 years later, possible complications, like DES, or Agent Orange. Most on this site would never live long enough if there were issues.

Imposing your beliefs, or thoughts, or actions, onto someone, is removing their freedom of living in this country. Even if you think you are right, and they are wrong.

[Two Bills]

All the research I have read, says those who have had Covid-19, their natural immunity starts to deplete after 3-6 months.
I have never seen a report that states it is a life time immunity.
So for better or worse, and I hope better, my wife and I have willingly taken the Vaccine.
Pretty sure vaccination will be an ongoing thing when they finally find how long the actual vaccine gives immunity for, plus upgrades, as more variants are found.
Mtc.

[graciegirl]

As of this morning I truly believe this is still a free country, that I fought for. Those who choose to get the vaccine, it is your choice. Unless your immediate family, friends, news, print, or net, made that decision for you.

The OP didn’t mention the drug used in the 50s to keep pregnant women from miscarriage. DES was widely used, with little study, or actual proof, if it actually worked.

While the drug didn’t seem to have an adverse to patient. The children born, were diagnosed with multiple types of cancer. Of course it took up to 18 years for cancer to show up and be diagnosed.

Agent Orange, took close to 40 years, before there was a connection.

To those who deemed the OP AFRAID, I find any human who researches, considers the pro and cons, and make their own personal choices, should not be bullied into changing their thoughts. Their body, their life.

Many healthcare workers that I have been involved with over the last 50 years, are taking a step back, and not being vaccinated at this time. Some will say healthcare workers should be forced to be vaccinated. But those in childbearing years, pregnant, or immune compromised, who have worked through this, and are still standing without the vaccine, I applaud them for making their own choices. I won’t want them to find out 30-40 years later, possible complications, like DES, or Agent Orange. Most on this site would never live long enough if there were issues.

Imposing your beliefs, or thoughts, or actions, onto someone, is removing their freedom of living in this country. Even if you think you are right, and they are wrong.

Saying people are afraid is not bullying at all. It is identifying an emotion. It is very possible that if we waited long enough for some to be satisfied that there will be no residual effects, no birth defects etc, that this damn virus will continue mutating until just the grass and trees and a few horses and cardinals are left on this planet.

I don't really want control of this person Justus. I want to debate and discuss her views. I am delighted that almost 90% of American's polled intend to be vaccinated against this virus.

The vaccine could start making us drop like flies in a year or two and not doing anything has already made us start dropping like flies.

[Justus]

Here is one of your previous posts on the subject;

Justus

Fauci is one voice. The voices of thousands upon thousands of doctors and medical researchers across the world vehemently disagree with him. They have been silenced and discredited by the media and others who share a common agenda. Never in the history of pandemics has there been such a usurpation of personal freedoms. Never in the history of the world has a child been born to a world of faceless automatons. Never have so many had to die of any cause, absent of the comfort of loved ones.
__________________
Old Yeller

Can you link me to Five doctors? I require they are employed or associated with one of the top ten teaching hospitals so honored by Time Magazine every year.

Can you link me to five researchers? I require that they are part of a learning association that is linked to one of the five top Hospitals in the U.S. like Johns Hopkins, The Mayo Clinic etc?

Sometimes when a horrible disease threatens the lives of people across the entire planet we have to change the way we do things.

Some people are not open to being told what to do under any circumstances.

You might find what you're looking for by researching The Great Barrington Project, performed and published in MA. Also, Dr. Lee Merritt, an eminent physician, is among other physicians who have publicly disagreed. They're out there, but you don't find them in the mainstream media.

[Bucco]

Here is one of your previous posts on the subject;

Justus

Fauci is one voice. The voices of thousands upon thousands of doctors and medical researchers across the world vehemently disagree with him. They have been silenced and discredited by the media and others who share a common agenda. Never in the history of pandemics has there been such a usurpation of personal freedoms. Never in the history of the world has a child been born to a world of faceless automatons. Never have so many had to die of any cause, absent of the comfort of loved ones.
__________________
Old Yeller

Can you link me to Five doctors? I require they are employed or associated with one of the top ten teaching hospitals so honored by Time Magazine every year.

Can you link me to five researchers? I require that they are part of a learning association that is linked to one of the five top Hospitals in the U.S. like Johns Hopkins, The Mayo Clinic etc?

Sometimes when a horrible disease threatens the lives of people across the entire planet we have to change the way we do things.

Some people are not open to being told what to do under any circumstances.

As a poster who mostly disagrees with you on most things, I do agree that these posts WITHOUT credits or any semblance of "backup", except for their presumed lofty status are very questionable.

Asking for what you did is correct, and I am betting you either hear nothing or one of the "internet sites" copy and pasted here.

First, it is a personal decision whether to get the shot or not.....secondly, in our country we are now polarizing almost everything..

I will wait for their response, which as I said will either be "crickets" or a youtube video or the like.

[Justus]

As of this morning I truly believe this is still a free country, that I fought for. Those who choose to get the vaccine, it is your choice. Unless your immediate family, friends, news, print, or net, made that decision for you.

The OP didn’t mention the drug used in the 50s to keep pregnant women from miscarriage. DES was widely used, with little study, or actual proof, if it actually worked.

While the drug didn’t seem to have an adverse to patient. The children born, were diagnosed with multiple types of cancer. Of course it took up to 18 years for cancer to show up and be diagnosed.

Agent Orange, took close to 40 years, before there was a connection.

To those who deemed the OP AFRAID, I find any human who researches, considers the pro and cons, and make their own personal choices, should not be bullied into changing their thoughts. Their body, their life.

Many healthcare workers that I have been involved with over the last 50 years, are taking a step back, and not being vaccinated at this time. Some will say healthcare workers should be forced to be vaccinated. But those in childbearing years, pregnant, or immune compromised, who have worked through this, and are still standing without the vaccine, I applaud them for making their own choices. I won’t want them to find out 30-40 years later, possible complications, like DES, or Agent Orange. Most on this site would never live long enough if there were issues.

Imposing your beliefs, or thoughts, or actions, onto someone, is removing their freedom of living in this country. Even if you think you are right, and they are wrong.
Spot on! And Thalidamide, a vaccine developed in the early '60's to stop morning sickness, as well, resulted in thousands of babies with tragic results...phocomelia and hemimelia. Also, in 1957, during the Asian Flu pandemic, a vaccine was fast-tracked, just as the Covid vaccine was, that killed and made seriously ill many Americans, one of which was a family member of mine. In the end, we all, thankfully, still have a choice not to be vaccinated. This IS (still) a free country after all!

[Boston-Sean]

WOW - well the entire medical community and the CDC disagree.

If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine?

Yes. Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, vaccine should be offered to you regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 infection. CDC is providing recommendations to federal, state, and local governments about who should be vaccinated first.

At this time, experts do not know how long someone is protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. The immunity someone gains from having an infection, called natural immunity, varies from person to person. Some early evidence suggests natural immunity may not last very long.

We won’t know how long immunity produced by vaccination lasts until we have more data on how well the vaccines work.

Both natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are important aspects of COVID-19 that experts are trying to learn more about, and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.



Ya, the CDC hasn't been covering itself in glory on this question. Short answer: No, don't bother getting the vaccine if you've already had Covid.

CDC Investigation | Full Measure (http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/cdc-investigation)

[pattytracey]

I agree don’t trust the vaccine

[dtennent]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Unfortunately, you have made your arguments weaker by not including balanced information.

1) The small pox vaccination was stopped being given because small pox no longer existed anywhere in the world. In fact, the effectiveness of the vaccine eliminated small pox.

2) I went to the FDA website to look at the 327 drug recalls. It was illuminating. The FDA was doing its job in making sure that companies don't include chemicals such as methanol (etc.), particulate matter, undeclared drugs, mislabeling, exceeding daily limits, etc. While I didn't go through the entire list, it looks like the FDA is doing its job in protecting the average citizen from potential danger. here is the link:
Recalls, Market Withdrawals, & Safety Alerts | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts)

3) While it is true that most people will suffer only minor symptoms, there have been several areas where the ICUs were filled to capacity. I do not wish to bet whether there will be an ICU bed available if I need one.

4) Reports are just coming in where people who had only minor symptoms now appear to have longer term damage. Certainly there needs research to verify these reports. Until it can be verified, I am not willing to take the risk.

I am glad that the various government agencies from around the world supported the warp speed development of vaccines. It is true that development of any vaccine or drug takes 10+ years. In this most recent effort, the small group tests run over a few years with complete reviews were skipped. This meant that the individuals in the large group trials were exposed to greater risks. The result was that some vaccines were shown not to be effective (Merck) while others were shown to be effective and were scaled up.

I respect your right to not get vaccinated. However, your presentation of incomplete data may persuade others to follow your decision. Unfortunately, your post contributed to the misinformation that you complained about.

[Bucco]

Unfortunately, you have made your arguments weaker by not including balanced information.

1) The small pox vaccination was stopped being given because small pox no longer existed anywhere in the world. In fact, the effectiveness of the vaccine eliminated small pox.

2) I went to the FDA website to look at the 327 drug recalls. It was illuminating. The FDA was doing its job in making sure that companies don't include chemicals such as methanol (etc.), particulate matter, undeclared drugs, mislabeling, exceeding daily limits, etc. While I didn't go through the entire list, it looks like the FDA is doing its job in protecting the average citizen from potential danger. here is the link:
Recalls, Market Withdrawals, & Safety Alerts | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts)

3) While it is true that most people will suffer only minor symptoms, there have been several areas where the ICUs were filled to capacity. I do not wish to bet whether there will be an ICU bed available if I need one.

4) Reports are just coming in where people who had only minor symptoms now appear to have longer term damage. Certainly there needs research to verify these reports. Until it can be verified, I am not willing to take the risk.

I am glad that the various government agencies from around the world supported the warp speed development of vaccines. It is true that development of any vaccine or drug takes 10+ years. In this most recent effort, the small group tests run over a few years with complete reviews were skipped. This meant that the individuals in the large group trials were exposed to greater risks. The result was that some vaccines were shown not to be effective (Merck) while others were shown to be effective and were scaled up.

I respect your right to not get vaccinated. However, your presentation of incomplete data may persuade others to follow your decision. Unfortunately, your post contributed to the misinformation that you complained about.

____________________

"However, your presentation of incomplete data may persuade others to follow your decision. Unfortunately, your post contributed to the misinformation that you complained about."

It appears to me that this is okay with far too many folks anymore.

Forget the facts, make me be right or feel good or strongly support a specific group.

[graciegirl]

You might find what you're looking for by researching The Great Barrington Project, performed and published in MA. Also, Dr. Lee Merritt, an eminent physician, is among other physicians who have publicly disagreed. They're out there, but you don't find them in the mainstream media.

Here it is;

Nothing here about not getting vaccine. The Vaccine was not available at this time in October of 2020. This seems to be exactly what has happened. The older are more protected usually at their wise choice and people younger are taking their chances. Not really over the top at all.

File:Great Barrington Declaration.pdf - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Barrington_Declaration.pdf)

[Tmarkwald]

"The Great Barrington Declaration was sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian think tank with financial ties to the Koch brothers, known for funding organizations associated with climate change denial."

Great Barrington Declaration - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration)

Everything has familiar beginnings, it seems.

Next, someone will start referencing The Onion ...

As a researcher, I tend to look at established and respected groups of people and professionals for opinions.

Even I, as a conservative, don't quote conservative sources just to substantiate my views or opinions. The experts are out there...

[coffeebean]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired
Sooooo, what risky behavior did you partake in for you to have had Covid? I see the people you associate with also partook in risky behavior. Are you proud of that fact? I will not listen to one word you have to say based on your risky behavior. Sorry.

[Velvet]

So, OP, you are saying, or implying that the whole world, every country (even North Korea, the great Covid denier) is so dumb, so stupid that they are locking down their economies and taking great losses and desperately trying to vaccinate their people without good reason. Of the billions of people only YOU know the actual facts and you are warning us. Am I right?

[Two Bills]

Spot on! And Thalidamide, a vaccine developed in the early '60's to stop morning sickness, as well, resulted in thousands of babies with tragic results...phocomelia and hemimelia. Also, in 1957, during the Asian Flu pandemic, a vaccine was fast-tracked, just as the Covid vaccine was, that killed and made seriously ill many Americans, one of which was a family member of mine. In the end, we all, thankfully, still have a choice not to be vaccinated. This IS (still) a free country after all!

Just for clarity.
Thalidamide was a drug, not a vaccine.

[davem4616]

great....makes the line shorter for the rest of us

thanks

ps....you might want to keep an extra loaf of bread in the bath room, to kneel on...those tile floors can be rough on the knees if you end up 'bowing down to the porcelain goddess'

[Tmarkwald]

I agree don’t trust the vaccine

Another comment with no research. You say you agree?

This doesn't make much sense. Here is the EXACT quote from Barrington:

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.

So, to say I am not getting the vaccine, then quote Barrington, makes no sense....

[coffeebean]

Saying people are afraid is not bullying at all. It is identifying an emotion. It is very possible that if we waited long enough for some to be satisfied that there will be no residual effects, no birth defects etc, that this damn virus will continue mutating until just the grass and trees and a few horses and cardinals are left on this planet.

I don't really want control of this person Justus. I want to debate and discuss her views. I am delighted that almost 90% of American's polled intend to be vaccinated against this virus.

The vaccine could start making us drop like flies in a year or two and not doing anything has already made us start dropping like flies.

Really? I have not heard any percentage nearly that high. This is great news if it is true. Which poll did you get this number from?

[coffeebean]

Spot on! And Thalidamide, a vaccine developed in the early '60's to stop morning sickness, as well, resulted in thousands of babies with tragic results...phocomelia and hemimelia. Also, in 1957, during the Asian Flu pandemic, a vaccine was fast-tracked, just as the Covid vaccine was, that killed and made seriously ill many Americans, one of which was a family member of mine. In the end, we all, thankfully, still have a choice not to be vaccinated. This IS (still) a free country after all!

Yes, there have been very dangerous vaccines and drugs in the past. I'm not a scientist or an expert in any field when it comes to vaccine development. Having said that, I'm coming from the fact that we are now in the 2020s and I truly believe "We've come a long way baby", to quote a very famous ad campaign from years ago. It may be a slogan from years ago but boy does it still ring true today.

Just watching what those scientists and vaccine developers have to work with these days is mind boggling. How many times on TV have we seen their equipment and them at work? We are not talking about vaccine development from 50 years ago. I have hope and faith that these vaccines that have been developed in these modern times are safe for human "consumption".

[Packer Fan]

This is actually an interesting discussion. I think the OP is a little over the top, but I agree with him that if I had already had Covid, I would at least wait until everyone else had a shot for 2 reasons - the first is I have antibodies. The second one is a reason I have NEVER heard anyone mention - IF I HAD IT ONCE AND IT WAS MINOR, WHY WOULD IT NOT BE MINOR IF I GOT IT AGAIN, ESPECIALLY NOW HAVING ANTIBODIES. You see news reports of really old people getting it again, but don't you think if reinfection was a real issue, we would hear about EVERY case of it? Also, if anyone ever had a mild case, then got it again and died, it would be front page news all over the world for a week. So I think if I had it and it was very mild, I would assume logically my body doesn't have an issue with it, so why get vaccinated? However, if I had a rough case, like a few people I know, I probably would get it after everyone else has had a chance.

But I am 57 and I will be getting it. All 3 of the healthcare workers in my family, including my wife, have had both doses of either Moderna or Pfizer vaccines. My RN, BSN wife who has been a nurse for 35 years would agree with me, she has done pediatrics most of her life and seen some consequences of lack of vacinactions in the "anti vaxxer" crowd and they are not pretty. So stay the heck out of my way OP. :)

A few other things - the person who posted about Smallpox vaccines being stopped because they were too dangerous - I would just like to know if you ever check your facts? Seriously Smallpox was eradicated because it was such a horrible disease everyone got vaccinated and it disappeared.

I had to laugh at Graciegirl implying in one post that this virus that kills about 1/2% of people who get it (this is the number that seems to be correct, my source is the statisticians at JP morgan) is going to eventually mutate and only leave trees and horses on the planet. Wow- a litte over the top.

Thalidamide is a drug, not a vaccine and that was 60 years ago before we had all the rules for testing (and the reason for some of them) we do now. This is why we had to do a 60,000 person trial... seriously people. the whole - "they developed it too fast" argument reminds me of the "villages builds houses to fast" argument. Well, Toyota builds a car in about 4 hours...
These vaccines have had over 50 million people take them. Safety is not an issue.

Lastly, to Coffeebean or whatever your name is - are you seriously BLAMING someone for getting Covid by being Careless? Well, you can cower in your house and never go out, but most of us have lives. The only way to make sure you don't get this is to have NO Contact with anyone. Blaming people for being careless is just stupid.

[Velvet]

Packer Fan, studies in South Africa indicate people who had Covid do not have immunity against their variant. And that highly contagious variant is already here in the US. People who have had Covid are reinfected with the new variant.

[Bjeanj]

It doesn’t matter what one’s opinion is, they will always find research to support that position.

In any case, I don’t care whether you get a vaccine or not, and I fail to see the purpose of your post. It’s not going to change anyone’s opinion.

[graciegirl]

Really? I have not heard any percentage nearly that high. This is great news if it is true. Which poll did you get this number from?

I can't find it. I try very hard to quote valid sources too.

Here is one from the last two days that states that about 80% of Democratic Voters in New York State plan to get the Covid-19 vaccine;

Vaccinated
“While between 12 and 19 percent of voters from every region and party have been vaccinated, with Democrats and upstaters leading the way, there are distinct racial and income disparities in this early vaccination period,” Greenberg said. “Although 20 percent of white voters have been vaccinated, only 10 percent of Black voters and five percent of Latino voters have been. Only nine percent earning less than $50,000 have been vaccinated, compared to 14 percent who earn between $50,000 and $100,000, and 25 percent of those earning over $100,000.

“When it comes to whether or not they plan to get vaccinated, there are wide differences by party and race. While only 17 percent of Democrats and 21 percent of independents do not plan to get vaccinated, 35 percent of Republicans say they will pass on the vaccine,” Greenberg said. “Eighteen percent of white voters say no to the vaccine. However, 34 percent of Latino and 37 percent of Black voters say they don’t plan on getting vaccinated.”

I have snipped it. I will be back with the link to the article...

From this article above;
February 2021 – Siena College Research Institute (https://scri.siena.edu/2021/02/)


But not the source I had read that said 82% polled were favorable toward the vaccine. I am sorry I can't find it.

[Velvet]

It doesn’t matter what one’s opinion is, they will always find research to support that position.

In any case, I don’t care whether you get a vaccine or not, and I fail to see the purpose of your post. It’s not going to change anyone’s opinion.

If that was the case there would never be any progress. We would still be living like cavemen. One of the courses in my graduate studies was, “How do we know what we know?” It was a science based as compared to faith based course.

What you can do with data, is select the part of it that would support a particular outcome. This what pharmacies etc would like researchers to do for their products sometimes. But when one follows accepted statistical procedure you do actually do get a factual picture.

[coffeebean]

~~~

[coffeebean]

I can't find it. I try very hard to quote valid sources too.

Here is one from the last two days that states that about 80% of Democratic Voters in New York State plan to get the Covid-19 vaccine;

Vaccinated
“While between 12 and 19 percent of voters from every region and party have been vaccinated, with Democrats and upstaters leading the way, there are distinct racial and income disparities in this early vaccination period,” Greenberg said. “Although 20 percent of white voters have been vaccinated, only 10 percent of Black voters and five percent of Latino voters have been. Only nine percent earning less than $50,000 have been vaccinated, compared to 14 percent who earn between $50,000 and $100,000, and 25 percent of those earning over $100,000.

“When it comes to whether or not they plan to get vaccinated, there are wide differences by party and race. While only 17 percent of Democrats and 21 percent of independents do not plan to get vaccinated, 35 percent of Republicans say they will pass on the vaccine,” Greenberg said. “Eighteen percent of white voters say no to the vaccine. However, 34 percent of Latino and 37 percent of Black voters say they don’t plan on getting vaccinated.”

I have snipped it. I will be back with the link to the article...

From this article above;
February 2021 – Siena College Research Institute (https://scri.siena.edu/2021/02/)


But not the source I had read that said 82% polled were favorable toward the vaccine. I am sorry I can't find it.

Thank you for the information.

[coffeebean]

This is actually an interesting discussion. I think the OP is a little over the top, but I agree with him that if I had already had Covid, I would at least wait until everyone else had a shot for 2 reasons - the first is I have antibodies. The second one is a reason I have NEVER heard anyone mention - IF I HAD IT ONCE AND IT WAS MINOR, WHY WOULD IT NOT BE MINOR IF I GOT IT AGAIN, ESPECIALLY NOW HAVING ANTIBODIES. You see news reports of really old people getting it again, but don't you think if reinfection was a real issue, we would hear about EVERY case of it? Also, if anyone ever had a mild case, then got it again and died, it would be front page news all over the world for a week. So I think if I had it and it was very mild, I would assume logically my body doesn't have an issue with it, so why get vaccinated? However, if I had a rough case, like a few people I know, I probably would get it after everyone else has had a chance.

But I am 57 and I will be getting it. All 3 of the healthcare workers in my family, including my wife, have had both doses of either Moderna or Pfizer vaccines. My RN, BSN wife who has been a nurse for 35 years would agree with me, she has done pediatrics most of her life and seen some consequences of lack of vacinactions in the "anti vaxxer" crowd and they are not pretty. So stay the heck out of my way OP. :)

A few other things - the person who posted about Smallpox vaccines being stopped because they were too dangerous - I would just like to know if you ever check your facts? Seriously Smallpox was eradicated because it was such a horrible disease everyone got vaccinated and it disappeared.

I had to laugh at Graciegirl implying in one post that this virus that kills about 1/2% of people who get it (this is the number that seems to be correct, my source is the statisticians at JP morgan) is going to eventually mutate and only leave trees and horses on the planet. Wow- a litte over the top.

Thalidamide is a drug, not a vaccine and that was 60 years ago before we had all the rules for testing (and the reason for some of them) we do now. This is why we had to do a 60,000 person trial... seriously people. the whole - "they developed it too fast" argument reminds me of the "villages builds houses to fast" argument. Well, Toyota builds a car in about 4 hours...
These vaccines have had over 50 million people take them. Safety is not an issue.

Lastly, to Coffeebean or whatever your name is - are you seriously BLAMING someone for getting Covid by being Careless? Well, you can cower in your house and never go out, but most of us have lives. The only way to make sure you don't get this is to have NO Contact with anyone. Blaming people for being careless is just stupid.

I did not use the word "careless". That is your word. I used the term "risky behavior". I was referring to those who are anti-maskers, those who congregate in groups with people not in their family unit, those folks who attend large crowded events with no masks or social distancing, and all sorts of other "risky behavior". I have yet to hold up in my house. I have been out and about since the beginning of this pandemic but I have adhered to the guidelines put forth by the CDC. I have not ever engaged in risky behavior as I have seen others do. You know who you are.

[Sophie11]

WOW!!! Crazy Question!!!!

[John41]

If that was the case there would never be any progress. We would still be living like cavemen. One of the courses in my graduate studies was, “How do we know what we know?” It was a science based as compared to faith based course.

What you can do with data, is select the part of it that would support a particular outcome. This what pharmacies etc would like researchers to do for their products sometimes. But when one follows accepted statistical procedure you do actually do get a factual picture.

Unfortunately too much of science today is faith based and depends on one’s political faith. Sabine Hossenfelder , a prominent physicist in Germany, blows the whistle in her videos on the state of present day science. Many other scientists agree with her. But with the active cancel culture today anyone who bucks the group think is ostracized. Not the best way to advance science which was to find flaws in theories so that they can be improved. Try stating to a group of Darwin ideologues that his theory is incomplete and you might be hissed off the stage. And don’t get me started on flip flop Faucci.

As for the OP, the statistics in the controlled studies can guide one on whether to get the vaccine or not. We will definitely get vaccinated for COVID 19 as we are near 80 years old, if I ever hear back from the registration websites.

[graciegirl]

The second shot really got our attention and made both of us feel unwell. Daughter sent this article today;

The Second COVID-19 Shot'''s Side Effects Are Worth It - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/second-vaccine-side-effects/617892/?fbclid=IwAR3lBi-M8KudZNTHhmOf18quTxiJkvrNf5AnJ1E2P9v9fJ1nA1KN__7Lq zg)

[DARFAP]

Why did everyone choose "reply with quote?" Just use "quick reply" so we don't have to re-read the OP's epistle.

[Altavia]

Excellent article - thanks!

Hope everyone is feeling better.

[Velvet]

The second shot really got our attention and made both of us feel unwell. Daughter sent this article today;

The Second COVID-19 Shot'''s Side Effects Are Worth It - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/second-vaccine-side-effects/617892/?fbclid=IwAR3lBi-M8KudZNTHhmOf18quTxiJkvrNf5AnJ1E2P9v9fJ1nA1KN__7Lq zg)

I hope you guys are feeling better now.

[EdFNJ]

Why did everyone choose "reply with quote?" Just use "quick reply" so we don't have to re-read the OP's epistle. Very often that is a bad idea. :) Problem with your idea is when you see a reply that says something like "my mother likes butter cookies while taking a covid shot" you have no idea who or what the person was replying or referring to. What I like to do is edit the long winded posts when they are like the OP here before using the quote down to the smallest amount of quoting that gets the point across. That does take some effort and many folks just don't know how to do that or want to do that. Some guy here always posts lots of pictures with almost every post he makes here which is fine ONE TIME but every reply directly to him with a quote repeats the same pictures over and over and over.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

I'm not a trained medical person but I have wavered pro and con on taking the vaccine. You're arguments are well thought out and very convincing. I'll continue to weigh information I can find. I'm not in a rush to get it for sure. A physician I see only got the shot because the state is tracking medical personnel who get/don't get the vaccine. However, she did tell me her veterinarian friends say these types of vaccines have been used on animals for years with no ill effects. She didn't say which vaccines those were. Lots to consider.
Thank you.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

"The Great Barrington Declaration was sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian think tank with financial ties to the Koch brothers, known for funding organizations associated with climate change denial."

Great Barrington Declaration - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration)

Everything has familiar beginnings, it seems.

I've seen it and consider it a valid argument to not take the vaccine. I'm of the opinion that my delay in getting the shot might help me see what side effects may arise, if any.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Nice job plucking statements from sources that allegedly prove your point. Where has it been scientifically proven that overcoming Covid-19 (OR EVEN GETTING THE VACCINE) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year? That fact you WERE a REGISTERED NURSE and an EMT does not give you the right to tell OTHER PEOPLE not to get vaccinated. Your bonifides don't classify you as a scientist, immunologist or even a doctor. I'm glad you don't "CLAIM" to be an expert but your statement tries to make you look like one and could affect the lives of others. You are entitled to sn opinion but please state it JUST YOUR OPINION.

I believe he did say this is why HE/SHE is not getting the vaccine, and for those who do to become well informed regarding the substances others are urging them to take. And yes, these posts are all our OPINIONS.

[HapEvillager]

My 45 yr. old son-in-law is an assistant professor in anesthesiology at a well-respected university hospital. In November my 12 yr. old granddaughter was exposed at school and tested positive, and later my son-in-law. They had mild symptoms. When he went back to work after quarantine he was assigned to the Covid unit. This was early November. He received his first and second doses of vaccine, less than 90 days post infection. He is very science based in his practice and definitely advocates the vaccine. As a retired RN, I advocate it, as well. We have been fortunate to receive both doses with no adverse reactions.

[Packer Fan]

Packer Fan, studies in South Africa indicate people who had Covid do not have immunity against their variant. And that highly contagious variant is already here in the US. People who have had Covid are reinfected with the new variant.

Who says, the "experts". Don't trust them. Look at the new case curves, they don't show that to be true at all

[mike234]

well, one correction. we are sheep. if the product is free, we will line up for days for it, then reline up for free seconds. and if the government says to do it, we will do it
baaaa, baaaa, baaaa

[graciegirl]

well, one correction. we are sheep. if the product is free, we will line up for days for it, then reline up for free seconds. and if the government says to do it, we will do it
baaaa, baaaa, baaaa

I really don't agree with that at all. It is not just OUR government, but respected doctors and scientists all over the world agree that there is a very serious illness that is dangerous to everyone and especially so to older people, and now there is a way to vaccinate against it. Each person needs to do their own research and make their own decision. Most of us know that not all things found on the internet or even heard in a church pew are valid information about Covid-19.

There are sources that people have trusted and depended on for years.

People should seek information from their own M.D.s and read information from respected and valid medical sources.

Had you considered that it all may be true and that the vaccine may keep you from getting this virus??

I don't know you. I am sure you know that none of us ever will be forced to take any vaccine.

[matandch]

God speed and good lucky with that. I, for one, living as long as I have want to go from something I’ve earned by virtue age like a heart attack, or stroke and not by a pandemic virus.

[oneclickplus]

WOW - well the entire medical community and the CDC disagree.

Actually, the "entire medical community" does not disagree. It's just the noisy ones on mainstream media that tow the company line.

There are MANY medical voices raising alarm about this vaccine and its long-term effects. There are many medical voices that have shown that hydroxychloriquine is a safe and effective treatment for Covid-19. This is a drug that has been prescribed for decades and suddenly the "entire medical community" bans it for this particular use?

Now that's a conspiracy. When have you ever seen a drug banned (not recalled) from use for a particular treatment because it is "ineffective"? If harmful, I would understand.
But, there's a sinister motive in banning it as ineffective. My guess is to push the shot (it's not a vaccine).

May all you lemmings be properly innoculated with the shot (not a vaccine). I'm already protected by my immune system. I got it from God.

[oneclickplus]

Nice job plucking statements from sources that allegedly prove your point. Where has it been scientifically proven that overcoming Covid-19 (OR EVEN GETTING THE VACCINE) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year? That fact you WERE a REGISTERED NURSE and an EMT does not give you the right to tell OTHER PEOPLE not to get vaccinated. Your bonifides don't classify you as a scientist, immunologist or even a doctor. I'm glad you don't "CLAIM" to be an expert but your statement tries to make you look like one and could affect the lives of others. You are entitled to sn opinion but please state it JUST YOUR OPINION.

Where has it been proven that getting the shot (it's not a vaccine) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year?

So, go get the shot (not a vaccine) if you like. Leave others alone who prefer their God-given immune system handle it for them.

[Leadbone1]

You can talk yourself into or out of anything if you work hard enough at it! I have had the first shot of the Moderna vaccine and looking forward to getting my second. I do believe the vaccines were sufficiently tested. You can’t compare the technology today to what was going on even 10 years ago and especially not 50 years ago! People who don’t feel this way can just skip the vaccine.
It’s all personal choice. And, I do not wear a mask as I think it’s a ridiculous premise to believe that the virus cannot go through or around a piece of cloth on your face. To each his own. I think we still have the freedom of choice in this country? For a little while anyway!

[crazydeb10@yahoo.ca]

I am not sure where you got your information, but you are very wrong. You can get Covid-19 again. Many people have. Perhaps you might want to re think your decision. It could save your life and someone else's life.

[oneclickplus]

All the research I have read, says those who have had Covid-19, their natural immunity starts to deplete after 3-6 months.
I have never seen a report that states it is a life time immunity.
So for better or worse, and I hope better, my wife and I have willingly taken the Vaccine.
Pretty sure vaccination will be an ongoing thing when they finally find how long the actual vaccine gives immunity for, plus upgrades, as more variants are found.
Mtc.

"plus upgrades" - LOL - that's funny. Lemmings are going to keep getting inoculated with each "variant" they identify? That's just crazy. How did nations and billions of people become so focused and concerned about one virus (and its close cousins) to warrant all the turmoil. If you discount all the inflated counting of Covid-19 deaths, it's STILL only about 1% mortality. And THAT 1% is highly concentrated among those with other comorbidity issues (heart disease, kidney disease, COPD, immunocompromised, etc). Why are the masses hysterical about this? It's completely irrational. The chance of any healthy person under 60 having an issue with this virus is almost nil. And, even the elderly who are otherwise healthy are not having an issue. My friend's mom (91 year old) got Covid from her caretaker (assists with shopping, cooking, household - not medical care). She had to do her 2-week quarantine as a result. Not even a sniffle.

It's the weak and the frail that are most at risk. Yes, they should be protected ... but not by impacting the 99% of the population with lock downs, job losses, and other unwarranted restrictions.

Talk about fear. It's those fearful of this big, bad boogey man that are driving this nonsense.

[dleroux57]

Thank you, thank you.

[Cobullymom]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired
Ditto, thank you...retired Nurse as well...let the vultures start circling to peck it to death.

[Timothyimitchell]

myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had covid and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The covid virus is not one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if i did not previously have had covid i would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the cdc says; “active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

the who (world health organization) had this to say. “vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “people with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or hiv) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - who

“vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - nih (national institute of health)

example: “the united states stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - cbs news, 60 minutes

these new covid vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the ifpma, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “it takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the international federation of pharmaceutical manufacturers & associations.

The nih, cdc, biomedical advanced research and development authority (barda), and the department of defense (dod) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project ows which stands for “operation warp speed”. - source/nih’s national institute of infectious diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose epa said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the dod who had no qualms conducting lsd experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to agent orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the u.s. And europe due to harmful side effects. from 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the fda as safe & effective were recalled. this information was obtained from the fda’s official website.

My final concern is that the covid vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger rna vaccines (mrna) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mrna - source/cdc

i am not an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. i have had the dpt, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, hbv, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have not already had a positive covid test, i would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the who; “most people infected with the covid-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” covid is not on a plane with ebola, the plague, cholera, malaria, or yellow fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately i have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on covid have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when i see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

i am a retired rn, emt-paramedic with an asn degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past american heart association certifications in advanced cardiac life support and pediatric advanced life support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the pennsylvania state police academy and served as the chief deputy coroner for a county in pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of aids/hiv, h1n1, mrsa & necrotizing fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have i seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

i only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. i do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor walter brennan was often quoted from an old television show, the guns of will sonnett; “no brag, just fact".

- david h. Dallas, rn-asn, emt-p, retired

agree

[Tmarkwald]

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

The problem here is you can't have your cake and eat too. Taking things WAY out of context. Why did the US stop giving smallpox vaccines? Because it was ERADICATED. But not before 300 Million died from it ... Read this..

Fact check: Vaccination helped eliminate smallpox (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/12/fact-check-vaccination-helped-eliminate-smallpox/4124284001/)

[Tmarkwald]

I've seen it and consider it a valid argument to not take the vaccine. I'm of the opinion that my delay in getting the shot might help me see what side effects may arise, if any.

If you read Barrington it states that we need the vaccine to gain herd immunity.

[JimJohnson]

I trust a scientific data far more than some tv/radio host trying to get more listeners.

[Pdesensi]

I agree. I won’t get the shot until I am made to.

[oneclickplus]

I was referring to those who are anti-maskers, those who congregate in groups with people not in their family unit, those folks who attend large crowded events with no masks or social distancing, and all sorts of other "risky behavior".

You referring to the way the world was for thousands of years prior to 2020 as risky behavior? LOL

[oneclickplus]

Why did everyone choose "reply with quote?" Just use "quick reply" so we don't have to re-read the OP's epistle.

Because quick reply we can't tell WHO you're replying to ... the OP or some other commentator.

[egmcaninch]

My wife and I have received both vaccinations (Moderna). My family is either in the process of getting both shots, or will be as soon as it is opened to them. Friends & family have died because of COVID - it is no joke! We also plan to travel internationally as soon as it is safe. Proof of the vaccination will probably be required. We have taken this approach with the COVID vaccination, just like we do with flu shots and other shots that keep us healthy. It makes sense!

[stevekennedy3]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

David, thank you for your courage to provide an alternative professional point of view. I share your concerns about the mRNA vaccines. I do NOT trust this technology and my reading of many deaths worldwide, especially for seniors, makes me very hesitant. I will get the J & J vaccine as it is the classic approach to making a vaccine. I suggest you search for Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who is one of the most authoritative sources on vaccines in the USA. Moreover, go to the NIH and search for a study that was done using nanoparticle size silver colloid that proves clearly that it kills Covid-19 and will also kill any coming mutations of this family of viruses. Big pharma does not want us to know about something so simple as they can make nothing from using natural products. I fear posting the links to these articles will preclude my comments from posting, so if you can't find these articles, send me a private message with your email address and I will send the links directly to you. It is sad, but we can not trust the WHO nor the CDC nor Dr. Faucci as they all have agendas that provide them with lots of money. This will all be exposed eventually, but the damage will already be done.

[JimJohnson]

David, thank you for your courage to provide an alternative professional point of view. I share your concerns about the mRNA vaccines. I do NOT trust this technology and my reading of many deaths worldwide, especially for seniors, makes me very hesitant. I will get the J & J vaccine as it is the classic approach to making a vaccine. I suggest you search for Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who is one of the most authoritative sources on vaccines in the USA. Moreover, go to the NIH and search for a study that was done using nanoparticle size silver colloid that proves clearly that it kills Covid-19 and will also kill any coming mutations of this family of viruses. Big pharma does not want us to know about something so simple as they can make nothing from using natural products. I fear posting the links to these articles will preclude my comments from posting, so if you can't find these articles, send me a private message with your email address and I will send the links directly to you. It is sad, but we can not trust the WHO nor the CDC nor Dr. Faucci as they all have agendas that provide them with lots of money. This will all be exposed eventually, but the damage will already be done.

😳🙄😂. I will get the shot!
Gggggeeeeeezzzzzz

[speedo8357]

Thanks for posting. You encapsulated all my thoughts in a clear, concise summary

[DONKEY10]

I have NO background in healthcare. I am skeptical about some of your assumed facts. In the first sentence you say; "Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. "

Your neighbors??? We live in an enclosed village of 54 homes that communicate well and only one couple has had Covid-19 in the year since we became aware of it. There is a lot of communication among friends on Facebook about Covid etc. here in The Villages and I am not aware of a LOT of people anywhere here having Covid, enough to say that we could count on a general group being immune.

I could and can debate and refute several of your other statements...and agree with the fact that some people react to things like a vaccine that had an element that they are extremely allergic to, such as eggs. Most mothers know about anaphylactic shock, and allergic reactions that cause some of us to carry an Epi-pen. ( a shot of epinephrine that people use as a first reaction to a severe allergy. I have not heard of any deaths from the vaccine at all in the last four weeks with over a million people vaccinated in Florida.

I will not try further to change your mind. I think you are afraid.
I agree with you . He is afraid and a conspiracy guy. I have a friend like him and there is no reasoning with him. The vacine is safe,millions have gotten it and are still alive.

[kcal63]

As someone who also already had COVID-19 I have been closely following the immunity research and there have been a number of documented cases of people getting over covid and months later getting it again, and dying, Most theorize a different strain infection but so far no proof of that. Immunity on avg is estimated to last (at a protective level) only 6 months or so, after that the "natural" immunity fades quickly. You don't want the vaccine, fine but your logic is more than a bit tortured to come to your conclusions.

[noslices1]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired
If you believe that, then you probably believe that if you get the flu, you will get immunity. The virus is a virus and will come back to get you.

[Bob in Fishers]

Identify yourself

[dlebuis]

That’s why I’m so glad I live in the USA where we have the freedom to speak our different beliefs and to disagree or agree. It’s great to live in a country where you can.

[1948JDG]

Good God folks, just get vaccinated and stop worrying about it!!

[CCristella]

I was not aware god has visited us on earth.
Please stay aware from me!

[kleck48@comcast.net]

Good article. Have you heard anything about covid tests that have silver nanoparticles that might cause neurological damage? If so are you aware of any way to detox from it?

[merrymini]

The numbers are falling in Florida but not because of the vaccine. The virus is playing out the way they usually do. The regular flu changes so why would this virus be any different? California took a very different approach than Florida did but it didn’t do them much good. Look at the numbers!

[Freehiker]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired


LoL

[RDhot]

You don’t deserve to get a vaccine if you don’t believe that you should be wearing a mask.

[Travelhunter123]

Unfortunately, you have made your arguments weaker by not including balanced information.

1) The small pox vaccination was stopped being given because small pox no longer existed anywhere in the world. In fact, the effectiveness of the vaccine eliminated small pox.

2) I went to the FDA website to look at the 327 drug recalls. It was illuminating. The FDA was doing its job in making sure that companies don't include chemicals such as methanol (etc.), particulate matter, undeclared drugs, mislabeling, exceeding daily limits, etc. While I didn't go through the entire list, it looks like the FDA is doing its job in protecting the average citizen from potential danger. here is the link:
Recalls, Market Withdrawals, & Safety Alerts | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts)

3) While it is true that most people will suffer only minor symptoms, there have been several areas where the ICUs were filled to capacity. I do not wish to bet whether there will be an ICU bed available if I need one.

4) Reports are just coming in where people who had only minor symptoms now appear to have longer term damage. Certainly there needs research to verify these reports. Until it can be verified, I am not willing to take the risk.

I am glad that the various government agencies from around the world supported the warp speed development of vaccines. It is true that development of any vaccine or drug takes 10+ years. In this most recent effort, the small group tests run over a few years with complete reviews were skipped. This meant that the individuals in the large group trials were exposed to greater risks. The result was that some vaccines were shown not to be effective (Merck) while others were shown to be effective and were scaled up.

I respect your right to not get vaccinated. However, your presentation of incomplete data may persuade others to follow your decision. Unfortunately, your post contributed to the misinformation that you complained about.

As always your point is well taken and well said.
What the anti vaccine zealots seem to ignore are the approximately 2.5 million, so far, who have died from this virus, with the potential for more deadly mutation variants. The risks of living in a world without the vaccine outweighs the dwindling risks of being treated by a vacine

[Eg_cruz]

Nice job plucking statements from sources that allegedly prove your point. Where has it been scientifically proven that overcoming Covid-19 (OR EVEN GETTING THE VACCINE) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year? That fact you WERE a REGISTERED NURSE and an EMT does not give you the right to tell OTHER PEOPLE not to get vaccinated. Your bonifides don't classify you as a scientist, immunologist or even a doctor. I'm glad you don't "CLAIM" to be an expert but your statement tries to make you look like one and could affect the lives of others. You are entitled to sn opinion but please state it JUST YOUR OPINION.
Here what you should do.....DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.....research both pros and cons and weigh out the FACTS. If you don’t get both sides of an issue you will never know the truth. Going along with something just because all the sheep are doesn’t make it right nor does it make it wrong........but going in blind does make it wrong

[JustRita]

I am a retired RN. You took the words right out of my mouth and organized them in a very thoughtful manner. Thank you.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

That's fine, your choice, however, because my wife has access to epidemiologists and research doctors, and doctors in charge of the medical health of others, which you have much more limited responsibilities, and they work with a research hospital which developed their own testing which eliminated nose swabs early last year, and I have acquaintances who have been responsible for some of the vaccine trials, who have many, many more letters after their name, starting with PhD in bio, I will get the vaccine,

So instead of media links, i have personal links, i will get the vaccine.

YMMV

[Stuholden]

Guys, you can research all you like, but vaccine passports are coming, just like Yellow Fever certificates are needed for some countries. If you want to go maskless on a plane you may make the no fly list.
Get over yourselves. Cutout the cable news and stop research the internet, enjoy life.

[Girlcopper]

Nice job plucking statements from sources that allegedly prove your point. Where has it been scientifically proven that overcoming Covid-19 (OR EVEN GETTING THE VACCINE) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year? That fact you WERE a REGISTERED NURSE and an EMT does not give you the right to tell OTHER PEOPLE not to get vaccinated. Your bonifides don't classify you as a scientist, immunologist or even a doctor. I'm glad you don't "CLAIM" to be an expert but your statement tries to make you look like one and could affect the lives of others. You are entitled to sn opinion but please state it JUST YOUR OPINION.
Exactly. This is just a personal opinion and nothing more. The facts listed are hand picked from different articles and merged. Im getting the shot and I certainly wont write here why everyone else has to get one. My choice. My opinion

[Lisanp@aol.com]

1) Immune for HOW LONG? No one knows so how do you know?
2) NOT new vaccine technology - studied for 20 years and put into action for THIS SARS VIRUS when known to work for other SARS viruses. Stop spreading propaganda!
3) You are blessed that you only know people who were mildly ill. Many of us have had loved ones suffer ALONE in hospitals on ventilators and we have lost too may to a now preventable illness. Science WILL WIN!
4) Go right ahead - Darwinism at it's best!

[Singerlady]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Wow...wish you could be ‘bullied’ into science! Yes, the vaccine was rushed. The vaccine is not a cure as I’m sure you know. However if I get Covid my reaction will be lessened because of the vaccine.

I am wondering if you were still a practicing nurse at this time, would you have taking all the recommended precautions at your job? I would think you would have, therefore you do believe that you could have possibly been reinfected.

The following is a quote from the CDC five days ago.

Currently, it is unknown if recovered persons are definitively immune to SARS-CoV-2 re-infection because biologic markers of immunity have not been correlated with protection from infection in humans.5 days ago
Interim Guidance on Duration of Isolation and Precautions for Adults with COVID-19

I am not hysterical or irrational about my thoughts about the vaccine. When my doctor, the scientist, tells me to take precautions because of my health then I am going to do it. I believe in her more than I believe in you.

[Ghancock]

Thank you. I have read enough to feel this is totally true. I will not go along with the lemmings fighting their way to the cliff.

[Andyb]

Some information is being censored and taken down. The government and main stream media only report what they want you to hear. The CDC and FDA is part of government. You need to make your own decisions. Don’t shoot the messenger.

[LoisR]

Love it. A coroner? Sound like your drumming up business. Registered nurse telling you that doctors, PhDs, immunologists, etc are wrong. Only in America. What a joke.

[Guitarman1951]

I hope this load of BS falls on deaf ears. Vaccinations historically effect some negatively but the benefits to the population as a whole far outweigh those very few. They stopped polio vaccination because the vaccinations totally eliminated it. It has already been shown that people who have had covid can get it again. In fact my grandson has had it twice and the second time, contrary to most who get it twice, was much worse. He gave it to his mother when he came home from college. It has been very rough on her. I think I'll trust the CDC on this before listening to some rambling BS. I sure hope everyone gets a vaccine so we can put this behind us and get back to normal.

[Jacob85]

I will admit I did not make it to the end of this because so many things came to mind while I was reading. I don’t think being in the medical field is enough for a person to know the most about the vaccine. I have researched this extensively and found first that your natural immunity only lasts a short time with Covid. This is evidenced by the fact in part that people have gotten it twice. I did hear you may be able to get by with one shot if you have had it.
This vaccine process has been in the making for over 20 years. It is not something that was developed over night. The MRNA does not enter your cells as works on the protein layer of the cell. I have a relative who has had a number of underlying conditions so would be very vulnerable to the disease and has had both shots and has done great. When you already have fluid in your lung you can’t take the chance of getting Covid! I am not a medical person but have researched this ever since the beginning. Finally the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is made a different way. I wanted the one with MRNA because I researched it but the other one may be your choice if you don’t trust it, which I do!
Finally they don’t know if you can give it to someone if you have been vaccinated and recently I heard they are beginning to rethink this, however, they are wanting more evidence before they jump to that conclusion. The new mutations are here in Florida more than any other state.
If I see someone out now without a mask, I don’t know if they have it or not. I will take my chances on a vaccine. If you have allergies then you have to be prepared with how to handle that issue before you get a shot.

[Queenie504]

You are an idiot plain and simple. Stay away from me.

[Heartnsoul]

Not sure what to think anymore. Most of our neighborhood had covid and we're all advised by their doctors to get the shot

[Ltkor]

I’ve had COVID and also decided to receive the vaccine. It was my choice based on available information and data. I am thrilled to have received both injections.

I’ve encouraged all family members to receive the vaccine as soon as they are eligible and able.

Most decisions in life are a balance between risk and reward. In this case I believe it is in my and my families best interests to receive the vaccine if able to.

Each of us are free to evaluate the risk vs benefit equation and make choices. Don’t get it if you don’t want it. There are a lot of people who do want the limited supply.

[jlo2012]

I had Covid-19 last March and recently gave blood. I still have the antibodies for the virus. Researchers are still learning about this virus and will be learning more for years to come.

[Cheryl Barrios]

Many healthcare workers that I have been involved with over the last 50 years, are taking a step back, and not being vaccinated at this time. Some will say healthcare workers should be forced to be vaccinated. But those in childbearing years, pregnant, or immune compromised, who have worked through this, and are still standing without the vaccine, I applaud them for making their own choices. I won’t want them to find out 30-40 years later, possible complications, like DES, or Agent Orange. Most on this site would never live long enough if there were issues.

Imposing your beliefs, or thoughts, or actions, onto someone, is removing their freedom of living in this country. Even if you think you are right, and they are wrong.

My son works in healthcare (nonclinical). He organized the testing for COVID and the operation of hospital employees at one branch of the system he is in with parts of the system transferred to other branches. At his hospital, all employees throughout the system are required to get the flu vaccine. NONE were required to get the Covid vaccine. It was a choice for all of them from doctors to nurses to custodians. Most did not. These are the first-line caregivers in a hospital system.

[LaurenBala]

You might find what you're looking for by researching The Great Barrington Project, performed and published in MA. Also, Dr. Lee Merritt, an eminent physician, is among other physicians who have publicly disagreed. They're out there, but you don't find them in the mainstream media.
Dr. Lee Merritt is an orthopedic surgeon, not a virologist, and she is a part of a group called "American Frontline Doctors" which is a known propaganda machine for Quanon conspiracies. The mainstream media can definitely also be a propoganda machine, but just because someone isn't part of it, that does not automatically make them a reliable source of information.

[kcwhel]

Those who wish to get the vaccine should do so and those who do not should not be forced to do so or be condemned for not getting it. Natural transmission and resistance will determine the outcome.

[MandoMan]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

The CDC is now speculating that immunity after catching the virus starts declining after several months. The flu vaccine is new every year, even though it uses the same methods as in the previous year. I still get one every year.

I got my second Pfizer vaccination this morning at Groveland. What a relief! In a couple weeks I’ll be able to go out to dinner without worry and even go dancing at the square. Next month I can go see my 92 year old father I haven’t been able to see in over a year.

[kendi]

I have NO background in healthcare. I am skeptical about some of your assumed facts. In the first sentence you say; "Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. "

Your neighbors??? We live in an enclosed village of 54 homes that communicate well and only one couple has had Covid-19 in the year since we became aware of it. There is a lot of communication among friends on Facebook about Covid etc. here in The Villages and I am not aware of a LOT of people anywhere here having Covid, enough to say that we could count on a general group being immune.

I could and can debate and refute several of your other statements...and agree with the fact that some people react to things like a vaccine that had an element that they are extremely allergic to, such as eggs. Most mothers know about anaphylactic shock, and allergic reactions that cause some of us to carry an Epi-pen. ( a shot of epinephrine that people use as a first reaction to a severe allergy. I have not heard of any deaths from the vaccine at all in the last four weeks with over a million people vaccinated in Florida.

I will not try further to change your mind. I think you are afraid.

Afraid, of course. If a person believes the science is flawed or a lie who wouldn’t be afraid of being injected. Nothing wrong with that.

[lisafolker@gmail.com]

Your natural immunity may protect you for a while but not necessarily from the strains and mutations that are occurring out of South Africa and the UK. You have the right to your own opinion and choice about being vaccinated but I don’t think you should be trying to convince others one way or another.

[Serendipatti]

Have you never heard the word "variant?" I don't recall seeing in your post. What about the medical community that is finding cases now where people had Covid-19, recovered, then came down with the UK variant or the South African variant? Some getting seriously ill the second time. Apparently the body doesn't see the regular old virus as being the same as the new variants and has no immunity from the new ones...at least in some people. I also saw recently that the same thing was happening in Brazil, with it's new variant, at an even higher rate than in the US.

[NoMoSno]

Have you never heard the word "variant?" I don't recall seeing in your post. What about the medical community that is finding cases now where people had Covid-19, recovered, then came down with the UK variant or the South African variant? Some getting seriously ill the second time. Apparently the body doesn't see the regular old virus as being the same as the new variants and has no immunity from the new ones...at least in some people. I also saw recently that the same thing was happening in Brazil, with it's new variant, at an even higher rate than in the US.
Yet we are letting thousands cross the southern border with no testing or vaccinations.

[nhtexasrn]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

I am a retired RN who has all the 'certifications' you listed plus some, as do MOST RN's in this country, so ACLS and PALS does not make you an epidemiologist and does not qualify you to give advice to others on whether they should or should not be vaccinated. With almost half a million deaths in this country, this virus can be more than a nuisance. You do what you want, but please don't use meaningless 'certifications' (in relation to covid) to try to convince others you have special knowledge. So, for people who don't know...Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS)and Pediatric Advanced Life Support (PALS) simply teach nurses what to do in the event of an emergency such as a cardiac arrest or respiratory arrest in an adult or child in a hospital setting. While these are complicated certifications to receive, they teach nothing about epidemiology. Personally, I decided to receive the vaccine as did most of my previous co-workers. I've had my first shot and soon to have the second. People should do their own research and make their own decisions.

[cherylncliff]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired


Facts: People who have been infected can get re-infected. The apparent immunity from a natural, mild infection is only a few months. While many people may only experience mild symptoms, there are a large number that experience worse symptoms and there are now almost 500,000 Americans dead from Covid. The long term effects of infection are just starting to become apparent and they can be devastating. By not getting vaccinated you risk being infected and then transmitting the disease to others, especially your own family who may suffer more severe consequences.

The vaccines have proven to be safe and effective. If you have allergies then consult with your physician. If you carry an epi pen, make sure that the people administering the vaccine know, they monitor everyone for at least 15 minutes and for longer if requested or if you have a history of allergies. The vaccine has now been administered to millions of people and the adverse effects seem to be minimal and similar to other vaccinations.

You can NOT get COVID from either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine because neither one contains the virus in any form.

I am a PhD chemist with over 30 years in the pharmaceutical industry.

[Burgy]

WOW - well the entire medical community and the CDC disagree.

If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine?

Yes. Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, vaccine should be offered to you regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 infection. CDC is providing recommendations to federal, state, and local governments about who should be vaccinated first.

At this time, experts do not know how long someone is protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. The immunity someone gains from having an infection, called natural immunity, varies from person to person. Some early evidence suggests natural immunity may not last very long.

We won’t know how long immunity produced by vaccination lasts until we have more data on how well the vaccines work.

Both natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are important aspects of COVID-19 that experts are trying to learn more about, and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.

Will a COVID-19 vaccination protect me from getting sick with COVID-19?

Yes. COVID-19 vaccination works by teaching your immune system how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19, and this protects you from getting sick with COVID-19.

Being protected from getting sick is important because even though many people with COVID-19 have only a mild illness, others may get a severe illness, have long-term health effects, or even die. There is no way to know how COVID-19 will affect you, even if you don’t have an increased risk of developing severe complications. Learn more about how COVID-19 vaccines work.

Will a COVID-19 vaccine alter my DNA?

No. COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.

Messenger RNA vaccines—also called mRNA vaccines—are the first COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the United States. mRNA vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response. The mRNA from a COVID-19 vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept. This means the mRNA cannot affect or interact with our DNA in any way. Instead, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease. Learn more about how COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work. ​

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. That immune response and making antibodies is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.

source: Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov %2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2Fvaccine-benefits%2Ffacts.html)
Thank you for being a voice of reason in your response. It is very hard to argue or contradict what I would like to call a "tabloid like rant" but you did it very well.

[Dan9871]

IThey stopped polio vaccination because the vaccinations totally eliminated it.l.

Polio has not been totally eliminated. The CDC still recommends vaccinations for infants/children and for travel to certain parts of the world.

Polio Vaccination | What You Need to Know | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/)

Public Health Emergency status – GPEI (https://polioeradication.org/polio-today/polio-now/public-health-emergency-status/)

[DanBrew]

Signature in the Cell | By Stephen C. Meyer (https://signatureinthecell.com/)

Watch the animation on the website to understand how cells are built in all living things. We, and all living things, are constructed very similar to computing operating systems.

[Byte1]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Just saw an interview with a guy that has had the virus twice. The second time was much, much worse than that first time. Immune? Maybe not.

[Tmarkwald]

Facts: People who have been infected can get re-infected. The apparent immunity from a natural, mild infection is only a few months.

Incredibly rare, though. Like getting struck by lightening every day for a month.

Can You Get COVID-19 Twice? Experts Explain How New Coronavirus Strains Affect Immunity (https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/a35491797/can-you-get-covid-twice/)

[Pat2015]

Thanks to the OP for his post. There are many people that agree with you as 30% of the population in the US say that they will not get the vaccine, and there are many people who clearly feel differently. I have gone into anaphylactic shock on two different occasions which is very scary, and I definitely have concerns about getting vaccinated thus I may be one of those who decide against the vaccine.

[brick010207]

IGNORANCE IS BLISS!! Bet you're a happy camper. You can believe what you want to. Letters after a name don't give you credibility except in your own eyes.

[dhdallas]

I, as well as my husband, a PHD in physiology and biophysics, happen to agree with you, and your previous posts, 100%. Thousands of physicians across the globe do, as well. You are experiencing the result of a dissenting voice among a groupthinkers. The only ammunition they have is ad hominem attacks, as the authors of the Great Barrington Project and their colleagues have. Thank you for your courage in speaking your mind.

Thank you. It is encouraging to hear that there still are intelligent independent thinkers among us. Aren't we the Boomer/Woodstock Generation that (used to) question everything? Amazing how an entire generation succumbs to groupthink little by little without even realizing it.

[drcskny]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired


I find it distressing when a nurse with only a 2-year associate's degree makes the kind of claims and assertions you did, statements that many people take as fact.

I am a PhD-prepared nurse who has been a Vice President of several hospitals as well as a Dean and Vice President of Nursing in several universities and colleges. I have developed and directed nursing programs at all levels from associate degree to bachelor's and master's degrees as well as doctoral programs. Once students are beyond the associate degree level, we have them take courses in research and evidence-based practice, which are not generally offered in associate degree programs.

This background in the scientific method and evidence-based practice. This foundation allows more advanced nurses to read scientific literature in peer-reviewed journals with an appropriately trained eye and evaluate the data presented in them. While I appreciate your credentials, the way you state them makes you sound more highly educated than you are and can be misleading to the public who are not as aware as I am about the levels of nursing education and the level of content they each contain.

I have done--and published--articles and research in several peer-reviewed journals over many years. Without appropriate citations to the literature, your statements become opinion, not fact.

For fact-based and research-based recommendations about COVID and vaccines, I suggest reading Dr. Mirkin's regular articles in the online Village News. He analyzes--and provide the citations for--specific articles from the scientific literature that support the value of vaccination, even for those who have had COVID (which I have had).

Carol S. Kleinman, PhD, RN

[Jokomo]

You might find what you're looking for by researching The Great Barrington Project, performed and published in MA. Also, Dr. Lee Merritt, an eminent physician, is among other physicians who have publicly disagreed. They're out there, but you don't find them in the mainstream media.

This might help:

Access Denied (https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-11-06/when-scientists-arrogance-leads-to-recklessness-the-great-barrington-declaration)

[drcskny]

Nice job plucking statements from sources that allegedly prove your point. Where has it been scientifically proven that overcoming Covid-19 (OR EVEN GETTING THE VACCINE) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year? That fact you WERE a REGISTERED NURSE and an EMT does not give you the right to tell OTHER PEOPLE not to get vaccinated. Your bonifides don't classify you as a scientist, immunologist or even a doctor. I'm glad you don't "CLAIM" to be an expert but your statement tries to make you look like one and could affect the lives of others. You are entitled to sn opinion but please state it JUST YOUR OPINION.

As I said in my longer post to this thread, you are correct in stating that being a registered nurse with the LOWEST POSSIBLE entry-level nursing education and being an Emergency Medical TECHNICIAN does not qualify this gentleman to make these statements.

[Byte1]

Guys, you can research all you like, but vaccine passports are coming, just like Yellow Fever certificates are needed for some countries. If you want to go maskless on a plane you may make the no fly list.
Get over yourselves. Cutout the cable news and stop research the internet, enjoy life.

That's doubtful. There is absolutely no evidence of this being considered.
Get the shot if you wish, or avoid it if you wish but the threat to liberties is not the reason one should use to get the shot.

[Pairadocs]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

"Something" has been gradually happening in our country relating to "civil" discussion and intolerance not only of the opinions of others, but a general (and dangerous) trend against considering even cited and evidence backed information such as you presented. As you remarked, even stating your credentials, not in an attempt to inflate your own ego, but simply to lead credence to your experience and ability to analyze data and communicate information which is there for all to see in the "science". This tendency to suppress information such as you dug out and posted, only serves to enrage many people who (for some reason?) seem to feel any opposing factual material, opposing studies, or experience with various medications including vaccines (your example of small pox vaccine was spot on, but while many have died (we lost a distant cousin), others will point to the lives that were saved. To me it's not so much the "facts" because we simply don't have them and will not know for some time if each individual made a "right" choice or a "wrong" choice, it is indeed a casino ! The horrors of thalidomide, the polio vaccine tragedy are only two examples.

The real point is not accepting your post as something to look at more deeply, to explore and analyze for ones self, but the over all pattern of rejecting any challenge to one's opinion (and it's relatively easy to spot those posts that come from a purely emotional reaction, a feeling that because he/she holds a different view, such as "this vaccine is well tested and perfectly safe", they not just reject any evidence to the contrary, no, not at all, to me the real danger is that such people do not want ANY contrary evidence, not just opinion but actual evidence such as you cited, to interfere with what they believe. To reject in a discussion, and then give your
evidence, is a mark of the best of discussion/learning. But the growing trend to not just dismiss, but name call (you "bragger" about your education and experience), or "know it all". These are the types of replies that make one wonder what is happening to "us", to this democracy, to rational discourse ? I have spent years in a university environment, once an exemplary example of a democratic republic, unbridled freedom to present all the evidence even if was not what one "wished" it would show.

But colleagues confirm that is no longer possible, contrary views are dismissed out of hand and regardless of evidence and examples, just as many are maligned and "trashed" here, on a "friendly" (compared to Facebook), small, community, social bulletin board. And as you pointed out, it's a no win situation. If one attempts to back up their legitimacy by giving their education or experience in a subject, they are immediately labeled a "braggart or ego maniac", if they do not lend legitimacy, they are of course accused to having no back ground or experience in the topic !
I am much more concerned about this frightening tendency to "fight" fiercely against any evidence to the contrary on any subject, and to diminish and shame anyone who tries to bring opposing evidence to the attention of all and allow EACH individual the FREEDOM to make what boils down to a personal decision after all.

I have stated this before, the more fearful a person becomes the more they will oppose anyone or any thing that challenges the comfort zone they have established to protect themselves. What are we doing to each other and what will the end product of all this be ? Not good I fear !

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

It takes a "LONG TERM" to know "LONG TERM" consequences with this vaccine or any other ...

[Tmarkwald]

Ya, the CDC hasn't been covering itself in glory on this question. Short answer: No, don't bother getting the vaccine if you've already had Covid.

CDC Investigation | Full Measure (http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/cdc-investigation)

OK, the article you posted says the exact opposite...

Anchor Lester Holt: Should I get the vaccine if I’ve already had Covid?

Dr. John Torres: Most experts say it’s a good idea because they’re not sure how protected you are after recovering.

[emb2458]

Glad you do not claim to be an expert. That gets you off the hook for not knowing what scientist know.

[golfing eagles]

It’s amazing that people like the OP who is an RN (so he says) believes that he can’t get the virus again - vaccination or not. If that were true, then why do people get the flu, which is a Virus, year after year enough though they were vaccinated?
This insane rationalization ranks right up there with Trump not inciting the rioters on January 6.

I can't even begin to explain how ridiculous that statement is, nor how lame a comparison to a political event it was.

[EdFNJ]

LOL - it's like 30% ... which, by the way, makes me "delighted" that we don't (yet) have a majority of lemmings (see article below). Also, Biden is quoted "there is nothing to worry about". That's reassuring because he's such an intelligent, well-informed man - graduated top in his class, I heard.

Covid vaccine: Dr. Scott Gottlieb says only third of Americans want it (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/19/covid-vaccine-dr-scott-gottlieb-estimates-only-120-million-americans-really-want-it.html) Did you ACTUALLY READ the article you linked ?? Actually what Gottlieb in the article you quote said was: [He was] "basing his forecast on the number of U.S. adults who received a flu shot this past year." That was not a poll on how many want the vaccine but an "estimate" based on flu shots taken.

Here is one POLL that says Nearly Half of American Adults Now Want the Covid Vaccine — ASAP : Poll: Nearly Half of American Adults Now Want the Covid Vaccine — ASAP | Kaiser Health News (https://khn.org/news/article/poll-nearly-half-of-american-adults-now-want-the-covid-vaccine-asap/)

And another POLL: Nearly half of all Americans want to get the COVID-19 vaccine (https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/covid-19-vaccine) as soon as they can, a new poll suggests. That percentage is even higher among those who know someone who has already been vaccinated. Poll: Nearly Half of Americans Want COVID Vaccine ASAP (https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210127/poll-nearly-half-of-americans-want-covid-vaccine-asap)

And another POLL: Intent to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine Rises to 60% as Confidence in Research and Development Process Increases. Still about two-in-ten ‘pretty certain’ they won’t get vaccine – even when there’s more information. Intent to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine Rises to 60% as Confidence in Research and Development Process Increases | Pew Research Center (https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/12/03/intent-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-rises-to-60-as-confidence-in-research-and-development-process-increases/)

And another POLL: Around half (51%) of the approximately 226 million adults yet to receive a vaccination said they “definitely” plan to receive it when available. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/01/around-half-of-unvaccinated-americans-indicate-they-will-definitely-get-covid-19-vaccine.html

And another POLL: Share of Americans Who Want Covid Vaccine Growing, Poll Finds. Almost half of 1,563 adults surveyed expressed enthusiasm for getting the vaccine, up from 34% last month, according to a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-27/share-of-americans-who-want-covid-vaccine-growing-poll-finds

And dozens more ............... Google is your friend.

[matandch]

And my great uncle billy smoked 5 packs of camels a day for 72 years and lived to be 97.

[rmd2]

Thank you, thank you.

You're welcome. I'm glad you liked my article on baking with raisins.

[Bucco]

I can't even begin to explain how ridiculous that statement is, nor how lame a comparison to a political event it was.


But please do.....better than snippets all the time.

[Joorn59]

I wish you and your lungs good health...

[Byte1]

I don't care if you get the shot or not. It's not going to affect me. I do believe that being a denier is kind of an old/ancient idea. Eradicating diseases can be done in two different ways. The old way of attempting to survive a pandemic until everyone that is going to die will die. Or you can be a bit more progressive(ouch!) and use medicine to save as many as possible until the disease is gone. If you are scared of a new vaccine, you have to weigh your fear against your faith in science. Personally, I registered for the vaccination solely based on the idea that I am adding to the protection of my spouse. I too am one of those invulnerable folks that believes that they will never get a serious illness. Never had the flu and rarely catch a minor cold. That said, from the information I have read regarding the serums and how they work, I have been impressed with the technology. Even though many seem to think that this process has had little testing, the fact is that this has been worked on for over a decade, with impressive results. Like I said, this is my reasoning, based on what I have discovered. I dont' care if you all decline the vaccination. If you die, that's on you and your family. If you pass on the virus to your family or friends, that is your guilt to carry also. If the vaccine has long term effects that show up 20 years from now, well I'll be in my 90's, soooo....... If we don't take it, maybe we'll get snake eyes when we roll the dice. I do not listen to posters on a forum to make my decision. I am able to reason and research for myself. I welcome opinions, but also understand that strangers probably don't know any more than I do. Like something else that everyone has, everyone has an opinion.
My suggestion is that unless you know for a fact that a vaccination is dangerous, quit trying to convince others NOT to get it. It may save their lives or the lives of others. Not getting the vaccine is not going to save anyone in your family or your friends. Even if the two folks that have died after receiving the vaccine, died because of the vaccine look at all the millions that did not die from the vaccine. Seems like this vaccine has a pretty good starting record. Just saying. This is my reasoning and I do not expect anyone else to change their mind regarding the positive or negative of the serum. Even though I feel that wearing a mask is nothing more than a placebo effect, I wear it when it is called for, but I do NOT tell others they should not wear one. Even though I feel relatively safe going about my business with my own immune system, I am not going to take the chance of infecting my spouse. If they offer a booster next year, will I get it? Depends on whether I believe there is any danger to my family or friends and how likely being infected will be serious next year. New information is being produced every day on the matter.
Fighting on whether or not to get the vaccine seems redundant. Young folks are shrugging the virus off easier than the common cold. Old folks mostly survive, but suffer some serious effects. Like a famous movie character once said "do you feel lucky, punk?"

[Ltkor]

Did you ACTUALLY READ the article you linked ?? Actually what Gottlieb in the article you quote said was: [He was] "basing his forecast on the number of U.S. adults who received a flu shot this past year." That was not a poll on how many want the vaccine but an "estimate" based on flu shots taken.

Here is one POLL that says Nearly Half of American Adults Now Want the Covid Vaccine — ASAP : Poll: Nearly Half of American Adults Now Want the Covid Vaccine — ASAP | Kaiser Health News (https://khn.org/news/article/poll-nearly-half-of-american-adults-now-want-the-covid-vaccine-asap/)

And another POLL: Nearly half of all Americans want to get the COVID-19 vaccine (https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/covid-19-vaccine) as soon as they can, a new poll suggests. That percentage is even higher among those who know someone who has already been vaccinated. Poll: Nearly Half of Americans Want COVID Vaccine ASAP (https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210127/poll-nearly-half-of-americans-want-covid-vaccine-asap)

And another POLL: Intent to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine Rises to 60% as Confidence in Research and Development Process Increases. Still about two-in-ten ‘pretty certain’ they won’t get vaccine – even when there’s more information. Intent to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine Rises to 60% as Confidence in Research and Development Process Increases | Pew Research Center (https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/12/03/intent-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-rises-to-60-as-confidence-in-research-and-development-process-increases/)

And another POLL: Around half (51%) of the approximately 226 million adults yet to receive a vaccination said they “definitely” plan to receive it when available. Around Half of Unvaccinated Americans Indicate They Will “Definitely” Get COVID-19 Vaccine (https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/01/around-half-of-unvaccinated-americans-indicate-they-will-definitely-get-covid-19-vaccine.html)

And another POLL: Share of Americans Who Want Covid Vaccine Growing, Poll Finds. Almost half of 1,563 adults surveyed expressed enthusiasm for getting the vaccine, up from 34% last month, according to a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-27/share-of-americans-who-want-covid-vaccine-growing-poll-finds

And dozens more ............... Google is your friend.

Before the vaccines were reviewed and received an EUA, a large percentage of the population, including health care workers, were reluctant to receive the vaccine.

Over 90% of the physicians at the hospital I work have elected to receive the 2 vaccine series now that it is available and the initial data reviewed.

Again, everything in life involves risks. Evaluate the vaccine and make the decision about whether to receive it. But, also recognize the risks of not receiving it.

My colleagues, and myself, overwhelmingly have decided the risk/benefit favors receiving the vaccine.

No one is forced to receive the vaccine. Decline if you wish. Others are waiting in line to receive it.

If you decline, hopefully you stay well. If not, those of us that are healthy will provide to the best care possible.

[coffeebean]

well, one correction. we are sheep. if the product is free, we will line up for days for it, then reline up for free seconds. and if the government says to do it, we will do it
baaaa, baaaa, baaaa

Spoken like a true anti-vaxxer. Thank your for your input.

[graciegirl]

"Something" has been gradually happening in our country relating to "civil" discussion and intolerance not only of the opinions of others, but a general (and dangerous) trend against considering even cited and evidence backed information such as you presented. As you remarked, even stating your credentials, not in an attempt to inflate your own ego, but simply to lead credence to your experience and ability to analyze data and communicate information which is there for all to see in the "science". This tendency to suppress information such as you dug out and posted, only serves to enrage many people who (for some reason?) seem to feel any opposing factual material, opposing studies, or experience with various medications including vaccines (your example of small pox vaccine was spot on, but while many have died (we lost a distant cousin), others will point to the lives that were saved. To me it's not so much the "facts" because we simply don't have them and will not know for some time if each individual made a "right" choice or a "wrong" choice, it is indeed a casino ! The horrors of thalidomide, the polio vaccine tragedy are only two examples.

The real point is not accepting your post as something to look at more deeply, to explore and analyze for ones self, but the over all pattern of rejecting any challenge to one's opinion (and it's relatively easy to spot those posts that come from a purely emotional reaction, a feeling that because he/she holds a different view, such as "this vaccine is well tested and perfectly safe", they not just reject any evidence to the contrary, no, not at all, to me the real danger is that such people do not want ANY contrary evidence, not just opinion but actual evidence such as you cited, to interfere with what they believe. To reject in a discussion, and then give your
evidence, is a mark of the best of discussion/learning. But the growing trend to not just dismiss, but name call (you "bragger" about your education and experience), or "know it all". These are the types of replies that make one wonder what is happening to "us", to this democracy, to rational discourse ? I have spent years in a university environment, once an exemplary example of a democratic republic, unbridled freedom to present all the evidence even if was not what one "wished" it would show.

But colleagues confirm that is no longer possible, contrary views are dismissed out of hand and regardless of evidence and examples, just as many are maligned and "trashed" here, on a "friendly" (compared to Facebook), small, community, social bulletin board. And as you pointed out, it's a no win situation. If one attempts to back up their legitimacy by giving their education or experience in a subject, they are immediately labeled a "braggart or ego maniac", if they do not lend legitimacy, they are of course accused to having no back ground or experience in the topic !
I am much more concerned about this frightening tendency to "fight" fiercely against any evidence to the contrary on any subject, and to diminish and shame anyone who tries to bring opposing evidence to the attention of all and allow EACH individual the FREEDOM to make what boils down to a personal decision after all.

I have stated this before, the more fearful a person becomes the more they will oppose anyone or any thing that challenges the comfort zone they have established to protect themselves. What are we doing to each other and what will the end product of all this be ? Not good I fear !

That is just how people work. That is just being human. We decide what entities we can reasonably trust and trot along in life. If someone decides something to present to us that seems very unreasonable because of our research and convictions, generally we reject it. Most people continue to read and hear new information about important subjects in order to enlarge their views.

This whole subject is intense and for good reason. People ARE dying that might have lived had they had the vaccine. Wishing for people to be safe and healthy is a good thing. Define the problem, gather facts, come to a trial conclusion, check the trial conclusion come to a final conclusion, and then continue to gather facts. Be sure your facts are from dependable and reliable sources.

[coffeebean]

Actually, the "entire medical community" does not disagree. It's just the noisy ones on mainstream media that tow the company line.

There are MANY medical voices raising alarm about this vaccine and its long-term effects. There are many medical voices that have shown that hydroxychloriquine is a safe and effective treatment for Covid-19. This is a drug that has been prescribed for decades and suddenly the "entire medical community" bans it for this particular use?

Now that's a conspiracy. When have you ever seen a drug banned (not recalled) from use for a particular treatment because it is "ineffective"? If harmful, I would understand.
But, there's a sinister motive in banning it as ineffective. My guess is to push the shot (it's not a vaccine).

May all you lemmings be properly inoculated with the shot (not a vaccine). I'm already protected by my immune system. I got it from God.

The problem using Hydroxychloroquine for Covid treatment is the high dose regimen proved to be harmful.

Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines (https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-with-or-without-azithromycin/)

[doccraig]

Thank you. I agree completely with your analysis. The only additions I would make would be to state that vaccine induced "immunity" is inferior to natural immunity...that is why there is a need for "booster" shots or as in this instance multilple shots. In addition, the current vaccines are not actually vaccines but are technically stated as gene therapy in their patent information.

Craig Warhurst, DC

[coffeebean]

You referring to the way the world was for thousands of years prior to 2020 as risky behavior? LOL

Yes, absolutely. It is risky behavior during a global pandemic. A pandemic which has not gripped the world since 1918. This pandemic is a 100 year event. Prior to this pandemic, all of our behavior that I mentioned was not risky. It was normal behavior during normal times. I don't understand why you can not see that??????

[coffeebean]

Because quick reply we can't tell WHO you're replying to ... the OP or some other commentator.

A perfect example......Someone says, "Thank you, thank you".

Who are you thanking? We have no idea unless the poster clicks on REPLY WITH QUOTE. Then we will know who they are thanking.

Another example......Someone says, "That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard". Using REPLY WITH QUOTE, the question is WHAT is the most ridiculous thing you ever heard????? Without that poster being quoted, we have no clue.

Don't always expect the person you are replying to is the post just above yours. That is never a given.

[coffeebean]

David, thank you for your courage to provide an alternative professional point of view. I share your concerns about the mRNA vaccines. I do NOT trust this technology and my reading of many deaths worldwide, especially for seniors, makes me very hesitant. I will get the J & J vaccine as it is the classic approach to making a vaccine. I suggest you search for Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who is one of the most authoritative sources on vaccines in the USA. Moreover, go to the NIH and search for a study that was done using nanoparticle size silver colloid that proves clearly that it kills Covid-19 and will also kill any coming mutations of this family of viruses. Big pharma does not want us to know about something so simple as they can make nothing from using natural products. I fear posting the links to these articles will preclude my comments from posting, so if you can't find these articles, send me a private message with your email address and I will send the links directly to you. It is sad, but we can not trust the WHO nor the CDC nor Dr. Faucci as they all have agendas that provide them with lots of money. This will all be exposed eventually, but the damage will already be done.

Conspiracy theory much?

[coffeebean]

I am a retired RN. You took the words right out of my mouth and organized them in a very thoughtful manner. Thank you.

Who is this comment directed to?????? You did not REPLY WITH QUOTE, so it is a mystery to me.

[regas56]

Polio has not been totally eliminated. The CDC still recommends vaccinations for infants/children and for travel to certain parts of the world.

Polio Vaccination | What You Need to Know | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/)

Public Health Emergency status – GPEI (https://polioeradication.org/polio-today/polio-now/public-health-emergency-status/)A big difference between eradicated and eliminated. Only 2 diseases have ever been eradicated, Smallpox and Rinderpest (only cattle).. Polio like the measles has been eliminated just NOT eradicated..but we're getting close just not there yet..

[coffeebean]

You are an idiot plain and simple. Stay away from me.

PLEASE quote the person you are directing your comment to. I read your comment and have no idea you you think is an idiot. Care to let us know who the idiot is????? There have been many many commenters on this thread. You can be directing your comment to any one of them, me included.

So............exactly who is the idiot?

[HRDave]

My wife & I just finished up our #2 vaccine today and are doing great. I do have one complaint about the quality of the 5G Nano Chip implant & it’s reception. Very low audio quality when government transmissions are received. It’s annoying, but we’ll manage.
Oh, and the third arm that’s begun to grow from the center of my chest only has 3 fingers, but it will still be handy out in the garage shop.

Incidentally. The Wife is a Microbiologist who retired as a Science Division Chair at a college and I’m a retired Healthcare Human Resources/Safety Director who oversaw JCHAO certified hospital infection prevention programs aaannnddd..... wait for it... a Nationally Registered Paramedic & Instructor.

Get the vaccine folks!!!

[coffeebean]

Thanks to the OP for his post. There are many people that agree with you as 30% of the population in the US say that they will not get the vaccine, and there are many people who clearly feel differently. I have gone into anaphylactic shock on two different occasions which is very scary, and I definitely have concerns about getting vaccinated thus I may be one of those who decide against the vaccine.

Would you consider being vaccinated in a doctor's office when the vaccines become available to physicians? There is also a hospital setting if you feel you may need that level of observation and care. Just a thought.

[coffeebean]

That's doubtful. There is absolutely no evidence of this being considered.
Get the shot if you wish, or avoid it if you wish but the threat to liberties is not the reason one should use to get the shot.

I beg to differ..........

Coming Soon: The ‘Vaccine Passport’ - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/travel/coronavirus-vaccine-passports.html)

[John41]

But please do.....better than snippets all the time.

He says with a snippet.

[coffeebean]

My wife & I just finished up our #2 vaccine today and are doing great. I do have one complaint about the quality of the 5G Nano Chip implant & it’s reception. Very low audio quality when government transmissions are received. It’s annoying, but we’ll manage.
Oh, and the third arm that’s begun to grow from the center of my chest only has 3 fingers, but it will still be handy out in the garage shop.

Incidentally. The Wife is a Microbiologist who retired as a Science Division Chair at a college and I’m a retired Healthcare Human Resources/Safety Director who oversaw JCHAO certified hospital infection prevention programs aaannnddd..... wait for it... a Nationally Registered Paramedic & Instructor.

Get the vaccine folks!!!

OMG......too funny. Thanks for the chuckle in this very heated discussion.

[golfing eagles]

My wife & I just finished up our #2 vaccine today and are doing great. I do have one complaint about the quality of the 5G Nano Chip implant & it’s reception. Very low audio quality when government transmissions are received. It’s annoying, but we’ll manage.
Oh, and the third arm that’s begun to grow from the center of my chest only has 3 fingers, but it will still be handy out in the garage shop.

Incidentally. The Wife is a Microbiologist who retired as a Science Division Chair at a college and I’m a retired Healthcare Human Resources/Safety Director who oversaw JCHAO certified hospital infection prevention programs aaannnddd..... wait for it... a Nationally Registered Paramedic & Instructor.

Get the vaccine folks!!!

That's only a temporary problem. Once the government sells the control codes to the aliens from the Andromeda galaxy, you'll get the message clearly:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

OK, I wasn't going to play the "upstage the OP's credentials game", but.......

I was my high school valedictorian
Graduated college with a degree in microbiology, summa cum laude with a 4.0 GPA and a published research paper.
Elected to 3 honor societies (Beta Beta Beta, Delta Tau Alpha and Alpha Epsilon Delta), and then graduated with a 4th from medical school (Alpha Omega Alpha).
Had honors in most of my medical school classes, including EPIDEMIOLOGY and VIROLOGY
Completed residency in Internal Medicine at a University hospital, turned down an offer to be chief resident to get out in the "real world"
Spent 30 years in practice, and served among other things at our local hospital as Chairman of the pharmacy and therapeutics committee, the quality assurance committee and the executive committee. Served as assistant chief of staff then chief of staff. Was also professor of Medicine at the State University of NY medical school. Certified by the National Board of Medical Examiners, The American Board of Internal Medicine, The American Board of Gerontology, and The American Board of Intensive Care Medicine Certified in Advanced Trauma Life Support and was an Advanced Cardiac Life Support instructor.

As someone posted previously, "not bragging, just the facts". I think most will agree these credentials trump an EMT and nurse with PALS certification, so........

GET YOU VACCINE!!!

[Gpsma]

That's only a temporary problem. Once the government sells the control codes to the aliens from the Andromeda galaxy, you'll get the message clearly:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

OK, I wasn't going to play the "upstage the OP's credentials game", but.......

I was my high school valedictorian
Graduated college with a degree in microbiology, summa cum laude with a 4.0 GPA and a published research paper.
Elected to 3 honor societies (Beta Beta Beta, Delta Tau Alpha and Alpha Epsilon Delta), and then graduated with a 4th from medical school (Alpha Omega Alpha).
Had honors in most of my medical school classes, including EPIDEMIOLOGY and VIROLOGY
Completed residency in Internal Medicine at a University hospital, turned down an offer to be chief resident to get out in the "real world"
Spent 30 years in practice, and served among other things at our local hospital as Chairman of the pharmacy and therapeutics committee, the quality assurance committee and the executive committee. Served as assistant chief of staff then chief of staff. Was also professor of Medicine at the State University of NY medical school. Certified by the National Board of Medical Examiners, The American Board of Internal Medicine, The American Board of Gerontology, and The American Board of Intensive Care Medicine Certified in Advanced Trauma Life Support and was an Advanced Cardiac Life Support instructor.

As someone posted previously, "not bragging, just the facts". I think most will agree these credentials trump an EMT and nurse with PALS certification, so........

GET YOU VACCINE!!!

And I stayed at a Holiday Inn once.

OP is correct. Fear mongers just cant accept facts.

[golfing eagles]

And I stayed at a Holiday Inn once.

OP is correct. Fear mongers just cant accept facts.

You don't have to be a "fear monger" to get the vaccine.
Almost all of us have had MMR, DPT and polio vaccines---were we (or our parents) "fear mongering"? Or just being responsible?

I have some concerns about these vaccines as well, but overall the benefits will outweigh the risks.

[flflowers]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

sorry about putting whole quote back out there..
I am like minded, just don't have the background you have but do my own research. After just finishing watching 9 part document series on covid19 my head is spinning. What I am most disgusted about is the censoring everywhere out there about the truth....general public has no idea what the truth is. Follow the money and control and you will find most of the truths.
The fear that drives the population is very saddening and heartbreaking.
People are trusting in their nature and that has put at a dangerous place we may never recover from, medically, freedom wise, and economically. Very scary place we are all in now.
Wish we could have legitimate conversations. I would love to share with others without being hatefully attacked.....why is it because I have information that you may not feel same about, or believe it truthful it has to be labeled evil, or tin hat....I am reading studies and listening to highly credited and studied professionals that have been for the most part, censored or threatened for speaking out....that does NOT mean they are telling LIES. It's the truth that is being stopped for a bigger agenda.
I have been studying the vaccine controversy for about 10 years now as have a vaccine injured nephew. That being said, I do know who some of the professionals that have been censored over the years, some of them have vaccine injured children, some are pediatricians that saw it in their practices and began to study it themselves, and some are the very researchers and some are the whistleblowers....they have all put their reputations, careers, livelihoods and some even their lives, all of this on the line to get the truths out now and years past.....being censored in every way possible. They all do have websites !
There was a video produced with over 100,000 medical professional from all over the world speaking out against masking, vaccine, lockdowns! where is it? Censored!!!
I will stop now but I have so much to share.

[GoPacers]

That's only a temporary problem. Once the government sells the control codes to the aliens from the Andromeda galaxy, you'll get the message clearly:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

OK, I wasn't going to play the "upstage the OP's credentials game", but.......

I was my high school valedictorian
Graduated college with a degree in microbiology, summa cum laude with a 4.0 GPA and a published research paper.
Elected to 3 honor societies (Beta Beta Beta, Delta Tau Alpha and Alpha Epsilon Delta), and then graduated with a 4th from medical school (Alpha Omega Alpha).
Had honors in most of my medical school classes, including EPIDEMIOLOGY and VIROLOGY
Completed residency in Internal Medicine at a University hospital, turned down an offer to be chief resident to get out in the "real world"
Spent 30 years in practice, and served among other things at our local hospital as Chairman of the pharmacy and therapeutics committee, the quality assurance committee and the executive committee. Served as assistant chief of staff then chief of staff. Was also professor of Medicine at the State University of NY medical school. Certified by the National Board of Medical Examiners, The American Board of Internal Medicine, The American Board of Gerontology, and The American Board of Intensive Care Medicine Certified in Advanced Trauma Life Support and was an Advanced Cardiac Life Support instructor.

As someone posted previously, "not bragging, just the facts". I think most will agree these credentials trump an EMT and nurse with PALS certification, so........

GET YOU VACCINE!!!


For some people here you have too many valid credentials to be believable.:icon_wink:

The science behind the vaccine is sound. Perfect? No, but sound. People should stop hiding behind ridiculous statements about why the getting the vaccine is "stupid." The only rational response is I DON'T want to and you CAN'T make me. That's your opinion and enough said. Stop trying to convince us with nonsense why your opinion is anything but an opinion.

[Mmhrdh0529]

She is not the only medical excpert who disagrees. I have seen other medical experts disagree with the vaccine. I like to see both sides of an issue and then decide what is best for me.

[golfing eagles]

For some people here you have too many valid credentials to be believable.:icon_wink:

Believe it, many physicians have far more.

The science behind the vaccine is sound. Perfect? No, but sound. People should stop hiding behind ridiculous statements about why the getting the vaccine is "stupid." The only rational response is I DON'T want to and you CAN'T make me. That's your opinion and enough said. Stop trying to convince us with nonsense why your opinion is anything but an opinion.

Were you addressing that to me? If you were, you are quite confused, since I agree with you.

[Velvet]

That's only a temporary problem. Once the government sells the control codes to the aliens from the Andromeda galaxy, you'll get the message clearly:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

OK, I wasn't going to play the "upstage the OP's credentials game", but.......

I was my high school valedictorian
Graduated college with a degree in microbiology, summa cum laude with a 4.0 GPA and a published research paper.
Elected to 3 honor societies (Beta Beta Beta, Delta Tau Alpha and Alpha Epsilon Delta), and then graduated with a 4th from medical school (Alpha Omega Alpha).
Had honors in most of my medical school classes, including EPIDEMIOLOGY and VIROLOGY
Completed residency in Internal Medicine at a University hospital, turned down an offer to be chief resident to get out in the "real world"
Spent 30 years in practice, and served among other things at our local hospital as Chairman of the pharmacy and therapeutics committee, the quality assurance committee and the executive committee. Served as assistant chief of staff then chief of staff. Was also professor of Medicine at the State University of NY medical school. Certified by the National Board of Medical Examiners, The American Board of Internal Medicine, The American Board of Gerontology, and The American Board of Intensive Care Medicine Certified in Advanced Trauma Life Support and was an Advanced Cardiac Life Support instructor.

As someone posted previously, "not bragging, just the facts". I think most will agree these credentials trump an EMT and nurse with PALS certification, so........

GET YOUR VACCINE!!!

Yes, doctor, I will.

[golfing eagles]

Yes, doctor, I will.

And then you can play "COVID Sonata #17 in A minor" on your piano:):):)
(or your hubby can play it)

[Pettys1]

I'm glad someone out there has a brain. An it's really sad that our society has such lack of humanity to wish you an your family harm. That's what's wrong with people. They believe everything the Government an the CDC say but yet look at how many times they've charged there stories. God Bless

[saratogaman]

His "report?" Listen to your doctor not amateurs or pundits.

[Pettys1]

Sooooo, what risky behavior did you partake in for you to have had Covid? I see the people you associate with also partook in risky behavior. Are you proud of that fact? I will not listen to one word you have to say based on your risky behavior. Sorry.

You don't have to have risky behavior. You can go to a Dr office an get sick. So just because someone had Covid don't judge them you know nothing about them just your assumptions

[graciegirl]

She is not the only medical excpert who disagrees. I have seen other medical experts disagree with the vaccine. I like to see both sides of an issue and then decide what is best for me.

Anonymous people on this forum are rather sketchy as to trust implicitly.

[Shoogley]

One person has one life to decide take it or don’t take it. Do your research anyway you like but try not to influence anyone one way or the other. An opinion is yours, if you make it scary lots of people will be intimidated.
Those who are so hesitant after the vaccine manufacturers urged their designers to find something fast, and they obliged by making many sacrifices.
I wonder what the decision would have been if those who died had even a 5 % chance with a vaccine.
I went to stand in line without an appointment and when my turn came, I told them I had heard there were people in the villages who did not want the vaccine. I now have had both vaccines and thank God for the people who made it available so fast.
Make list of the names of people who refuse the vaccine so that tears are not wasted at the funeral.

[flflowers]

OK, the article you posted says the exact opposite...

Anchor Lester Holt: Should I get the vaccine if I’ve already had Covid?

Dr. John Torres: Most experts say it’s a good idea because they’re not sure how protected you are after recovering.

Lester Holt, the same man that when reporting about a measles outbreak, could not find a child with measles to photograph, so they took a photo of a baby in the arms of a nurse and literally "painted" measles spots on the photo and the ticker tape message "Nurses Battles vaccine myths as measles outbreaks hits 555 cases" !
Lester Holt is also sponsored by pharma company Merck,....and the measles outbreak? almost all the children infected had the measles vaccine..but they didn't tell the public that bit of information

[GoPacers]

Were you addressing that to me? If you were, you are quite confused, since I agree with you.

I was being facetious with my initial comment. And yes, we completely agree.

[HRDave]

I forgot to add that we also went to Walgreens & got a MMR Vaccine (Mumps, Measles & Rubella) as research is showing a direct correlation to the CoVid-19 virus’s lack of impact on children due to their high MMR titers. There was also evidence of this attenuating the severity of CoVid-19 infections of US Navy personnel on ships due to the Navy requiring the MMR vaccine upon enrollment. They too had high MMR titers.
Go vaccines!!!😎

[EdFNJ]

Before the vaccines were reviewed and received an EUA, a large percentage of the population, including health care workers, were reluctant to receive the vaccine.

Over 90% of the physicians at the hospital I work have elected to receive the 2 vaccine series now that it is available and the initial data reviewed.

Again, everything in life involves risks. Evaluate the vaccine and make the decision about whether to receive it. But, also recognize the risks of not receiving it.

My colleagues, and myself, overwhelmingly have decided the risk/benefit favors receiving the vaccine.

No one is forced to receive the vaccine. Decline if you wish. Others are waiting in line to receive it.

If you decline, hopefully you stay well. If not, those of us that are healthy will provide to the best care possible.


LOL. I do believe you are quoting the wrong person, you wanted the person I had replied to. (Why is this so difficult?) That being said I had my 2nd shot over 2 weeks ago.

[dhdallas]

For some people here you have too many valid credentials to be believable.:icon_wink:

The science behind the vaccine is sound. Perfect? No, but sound. People should stop hiding behind ridiculous statements about why the getting the vaccine is "stupid." The only rational response is I DON'T want to and you CAN'T make me. That's your opinion and enough said. Stop trying to convince us with nonsense why your opinion is anything but an opinion.

1. My credentials are 100% valid. Your challenge to them is an insult.
2. I never said getting the vaccine was "stupid"
3. Everything I stated was not nonsense and most of it contained direct quotes from verifiable sources everyone seems to like such as the CDC & WHO
4. I am not trying to convince anyone to do anything but to "stop & think" before making any decisions

Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome.

Compliance Theory is when you act the way you are “supposed” to act; either because you were directly asked, or pressured more indirectly

Complicity Theorist (noun) - a person who accepts the political narrative of the day unquestionably; consumes mainstream media like it was 1980; and is prone to submissiveness, outbursts of irrational fear, and public shaming of free-thinkers.

Anybody recognize themselves or what is happening?

“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
― Edward R. Murrow

[coffeebean]

You don't have to have risky behavior. You can go to a Dr office an get sick. So just because someone had Covid don't judge them you know nothing about them just your assumptions
I'm one of those folks who believe masking works. There is no doctor's office that I have gone to that does not MANDATE masking. Social distancing is also adhered to in any doctor's office I have been to. In fact, some do not even allow people waiting in their waiting rooms. They call you on your cell phone when the are ready to take you back to a room.

Sorry, I do not buy it that people can become sick even when they wear masks, social distance, and that means to not go any where near crowds and wash their hands frequently and DO NOT TOUCH THEIR FACES. Those are very simple mitigating practices. You do that, you won't get Covid. Be smart out there.

[jimjamuser]

Saying people are afraid is not bullying at all. It is identifying an emotion. It is very possible that if we waited long enough for some to be satisfied that there will be no residual effects, no birth defects etc, that this damn virus will continue mutating until just the grass and trees and a few horses and cardinals are left on this planet.

I don't really want control of this person Justus. I want to debate and discuss her views. I am delighted that almost 90% of American's polled intend to be vaccinated against this virus.

The vaccine could start making us drop like flies in a year or two and not doing anything has already made us start dropping like flies.
The vaccines have been tested to the point of it being UNLIKELY that they will CAUSE us to "drop like flies". That possibility would be likely less than being struck by a meteor.

[jimjamuser]

Really? I have not heard any percentage nearly that high. This is great news if it is true. Which poll did you get this number from?
I have never heard of 90%. I doubt that 65% would say they are getting the vaccine. Some may want to get it after waiting to decide safety for themselves? I don't agree with that logic, of course.

[John41]

Imposing your beliefs, or thoughts, or actions, onto someone, is removing their freedom of living in this country. Even if you think you are right, and they are wrong.


That last sentence does NOT make sense to me. If it is supposed to be a good summary to tie the post together, it fell short for me.

His first sentence states the topic, then comes the body and the last sentence reinforces the topic sentence. That is the proper way to discuss a topic. Maybe it was too long for you and you forgot the topic.

[Bucco]

I have never heard of 90%. I doubt that 65% would say they are getting the vaccine. Some may want to get it after waiting to decide safety for themselves? I don't agree with that logic, of course.

“Americans may be more willing than ever to get their COVID-19 shot, according to a new survey from Gallup. Since Gallup first began polling Americans on their willingness in July 2020, there was an initial decline in willingness to get a COVID-19 vaccine, reaching a low of 50% in September. Since then, there has been a steady climb to 65% willing in late December, and now, an all-time high of 71% who are willing to get vaccinated.”

Americans''' willingness to get COVID-19 vaccines reaches record high: Poll - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/americans-willingness-covid-19-vaccines-reaches-record-high/story?id=75807568)

Dated February 10....71%

[graciegirl]

1. My credentials are 100% valid. Your challenge to them is an insult.
2. I never said getting the vaccine was "stupid"
3. Everything I stated was not nonsense and most of it contained direct quotes from verifiable sources everyone seems to like such as the CDC & WHO
4. I am not trying to convince anyone to do anything but to "stop & think" before making any decisions

Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome.

Compliance Theory is when you act the way you are “supposed” to act; either because you were directly asked, or pressured more indirectly

Complicity Theorist (noun) - a person who accepts the political narrative of the day unquestionably; consumes mainstream media like it was 1980; and is prone to submissiveness, outbursts of irrational fear, and public shaming of free-thinkers.

Anybody recognize themselves or what is happening?

“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
― Edward R. Murrow

Put your gun down. I am just tryin' to Stay Alive.

I can tell by the way you do your walk, you're a woman's man no time to talk..........

Ah ah ah ah............Stayin' Alive, stayin' alive.

[Pairadocs]

WOW - well the entire medical community and the CDC disagree.

If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine?

Yes. Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, vaccine should be offered to you regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 infection. CDC is providing recommendations to federal, state, and local governments about who should be vaccinated first.

At this time, experts do not know how long someone is protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. The immunity someone gains from having an infection, called natural immunity, varies from person to person. Some early evidence suggests natural immunity may not last very long.

We won’t know how long immunity produced by vaccination lasts until we have more data on how well the vaccines work.

Both natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are important aspects of COVID-19 that experts are trying to learn more about, and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.

Will a COVID-19 vaccination protect me from getting sick with COVID-19?

Yes. COVID-19 vaccination works by teaching your immune system how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19, and this protects you from getting sick with COVID-19.

Being protected from getting sick is important because even though many people with COVID-19 have only a mild illness, others may get a severe illness, have long-term health effects, or even die. There is no way to know how COVID-19 will affect you, even if you don’t have an increased risk of developing severe complications. Learn more about how COVID-19 vaccines work.

Will a COVID-19 vaccine alter my DNA?

No. COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.

Messenger RNA vaccines—also called mRNA vaccines—are the first COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the United States. mRNA vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response. The mRNA from a COVID-19 vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept. This means the mRNA cannot affect or interact with our DNA in any way. Instead, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease. Learn more about how COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work. ​

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. That immune response and making antibodies is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.

source: Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov %2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2Fvaccine-benefits%2Ffacts.html)

Fully respect your opinion (or, if you are an M.D., respect that too) but just so people know to check with their own physical, not the postings on here, want folks to know saw my M.D. (not P.A, not Nurse practitioner, etc.) and he holds a very opposite view from yours, no argument, this (I assume) is a forum for information, not to browbeat everyone into accepting one person's view of an issue. But yes, had detailed discussion and not "all" medical professionals agree with your views, and some, at least one I have personal knowledge of, do not share the view of the CDC that they know for certain what you related. We each need to listen to the person we have the most trust in, and, if we have had any formal education on virus replication, transmission, etc. and/or anti-body lab courses, we each factor in our own formal education. That's all we can do actually, so just wanting folks to know while your stance should be respected, the one statement that "all" medical professionals agree is too quantitative is all, but definitely if that is the conclusion you came to after talking to the doctor (or even doctors ?) you trust most, than that is the advice you should follow.

[Quixote]

So much discussion and debate—appropriate about a worldwide pandemic that has already killed about a half million persons in the US alone. Should one get vaccinated or not? Should one wear a mask or not? Should one keep oneself isolated or circulate freely through one's social life? When I look at questions like this, I ask myself:

"What decision would Herman Cain make?"

(Herman Cain, ex-presidential candidate who refused to wear mask, dies after COVID-19 diagnosis | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-cain/herman-cain-ex-presidential-candidate-who-refused-to-wear-mask-dies-after-covid-19-diagnosis-idUSKCN24V2OD))

Methinks the OP doth protesteth too much....

[chet2020]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Cliff notes please? I'll be getting the vaccine, but thanks for trying.

[graciegirl]

The vaccines have been tested to the point of it being UNLIKELY that they will CAUSE us to "drop like flies". That possibility would be likely less than being struck by a meteor.

ANYONE WHO HAS READ ANYTHING about me on this forum knows I am pro-science and support being vaccinated against Covid-19.

I enjoy a good debate. I am a debate snob; I like good sources, valid sources. ...Like The New England Journal of Medicine and Lancet. There are millions of wonderful nurses and a few that aren't. Ditto school teachers. There are a lot of people who are extremely well read on this subject who do not have a medical background too and tons of them who are not well read at all on this subject who have strong opinions. No one is being forced to take this shot.

I think......well, y'all know what I think.

[Worldseries27]

myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had covid and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The covid virus is not one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if i did not previously have had covid i would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the cdc says; “active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

the who (world health organization) had this to say. “vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “people with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or hiv) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - who

“vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - nih (national institute of health)

example: “the united states stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - cbs news, 60 minutes

these new covid vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the ifpma, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “it takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the international federation of pharmaceutical manufacturers & associations.

The nih, cdc, biomedical advanced research and development authority (barda), and the department of defense (dod) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project ows which stands for “operation warp speed”. - source/nih’s national institute of infectious diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose epa said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the dod who had no qualms conducting lsd experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to agent orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the u.s. And europe due to harmful side effects. from 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the fda as safe & effective were recalled. this information was obtained from the fda’s official website.

My final concern is that the covid vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger rna vaccines (mrna) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mrna - source/cdc

i am not an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. i have had the dpt, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, hbv, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have not already had a positive covid test, i would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the who; “most people infected with the covid-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” covid is not on a plane with ebola, the plague, cholera, malaria, or yellow fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately i have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on covid have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when i see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

i am a retired rn, emt-paramedic with an asn degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past american heart association certifications in advanced cardiac life support and pediatric advanced life support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the pennsylvania state police academy and served as the chief deputy coroner for a county in pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of aids/hiv, h1n1, mrsa & necrotizing fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have i seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

i only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. i do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor walter brennan was often quoted from an old television show, the guns of will sonnett; “no brag, just fact".

- david h. Dallas, rn-asn, emt-p, retired
e = mc²
EINSTEIN, THE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC MIND, IN MANKIND'S HISTORY, WAS DISMISSIVE OF HIS OWN THEORY'S PRACTICAL APPLICATION. HE STATED IT WAS " LIKE TRYING TO SHOOT 2 BIRDS AT NIGHT OVER A COUNTRY WITH VERY FEW BIRDS".
HE WAS WRONG AS SUBSEQUENT EVENTS PROVED.
THE POINT IS YOUR OPINION IS EITHER
RIGHT
OR
WRONG.
50/ 50 ODDS.
NOT TOO GOOD IF YOU ARE PLAYING RUSSIAN ROULETTE.
ANYBODY CAN BE RIGHT OR WRONG NO MATTER THEIR STATION OR PEDIGREE.

[Love2Swim]

e = mc²
EINSTEIN, THE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC MIND, IN MANKIND'S HISTORY, WAS DISMISSIVE OF HIS OWN THEORY'S PRACTICAL APPLICATION. HE STATED IT WAS " LIKE TRYING TO SHOOT 2 BIRDS AT NIGHT OVER A COUNTRY WITH VERY FEW BIRDS".
HE WAS WRONG AS SUBSEQUENT EVENTS PROVED.
THE POINT IS YOUR OPINION IS EITHER
RIGHT
OR
WRONG.
50/ 50 ODDS.
NOT TOO GOOD IF YOU ARE PLAYING RUSSIAN ROULETTE.
ANYBODY CAN BE RIGHT OR WRONG NO MATTER THEIR STATION OR PEDIGREE.

A friend of mine just died of Covid 2 days ago. A former co-worker a couple months ago. Two young nieces who are teachers had it, but recovered. Another friend in her 50's had it 8 months ago and it took her 5 months to recover, although she has lingering fatigue and sleep problems. Do what you want, but I'm not taking a chance. They've been studying this type of vaccine for years, and based on previous research were able to accelerate the development of the Covid vaccine quite rapidly. The vaccines have all been through rigorous testing and 4 phase clinical trials, and have received independent safety monitoring. None of the vaccines that have been approved have had any serious safety concerns. If I have the vaccine, it prevents me from getting seriously ill, and protects people around me as well, many who are high risk older people. It is part of our toolkit to finally end this pandemic so we can get back to normal.

[Neils]

If you decide not to get a vaccine, do you know that will allow someone else to get theirs quicker?? They will appreciate your decision.

Covid is not a “mild” virus. It kills.

[Byte1]

I beg to differ..........

Coming Soon: The ‘Vaccine Passport’ - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/travel/coronavirus-vaccine-passports.html)

Like I said.........
New York Times...........:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Laurawilcox]

Ya, the CDC hasn't been covering itself in glory on this question. Short answer: No, don't bother getting the vaccine if you've already had Covid.

CDC Investigation | Full Measure (http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/cdc-investigation)
Thank you to Boston:Sean. I read the attached information and watched the video created around Congressman Massive’ s study of the test data. You need to watch until the end of the Full Measure video that he attached. Heads of CDC acknowledge that the data results from the vaccination studies show no proven efficacy if you had previously had Covid. They apologize repeatedly for the misrepresentation of the data to the public.

Now, based on this information, my husband and I who are both 60 and have had the virus, will at a minimum wait for others in need to have their vaccinations. There is already conversation that this may be an annual recommendation like the flu shot. Unless data comes out saying otherwise there is nothing compelling to do otherwise.

[bobdeb]

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

[flflowers]

Dr. Lee Merritt is an orthopedic surgeon, not a virologist, and she is a part of a group called "American Frontline Doctors" which is a known propaganda machine for Quanon conspiracies. The mainstream media can definitely also be a propoganda machine, but just because someone isn't part of it, that does not automatically make them a reliable source of information.

Dr Lee Merritt is more than just an "orthopedic Surgeon" She is former President of the Assoc of American Physicians and Surgeons...worked her career for the military ...she studied BIOLOGICAL WARFARE! I think this "qualifies" her more than just an orthopedic surgeon.

Under Obama, Chinese worked in our Bio Weapons Labs! Completely illegal, but that's another story

From a military standpoint, this is a perfect weapon, the mRNA.

mRNA NEVER made it through animal testing. She is just trying to warn people.

And just because she is trying to get her message out before it is censored does not mean it is not the truth! If there is no one in the stands at the Womens Basketball Championship, does that mean it didn't happen?

All she is saying is that the "vaccine", not a vaccine, is experimental biologics.

She is part of the group of front line doctors speaking up with the risks of losing everything!! AFLDS.com

AFLDS.com

[YouNeverKnow]

Dr Lee Merritt is more than just an "orthopedic Surgeon" She is former President of the Assoc of American Physicians and Surgeons...worked her career for the military ...she studied BIOLOGICAL WARFARE! I think this "qualifies" her more than just an orthopedic surgeon.

Under Obama, Chinese worked in our Bio Weapons Labs! Completely illegal, but that's another story

From a military standpoint, this is a perfect weapon, the mRNA.

mRNA NEVER made it through animal testing. She is just trying to warn people.
Here is an article about the organization called American Frontline Doctors that


And just because she is trying to get her message out before it is censored does not mean it is not the truth! If there is no one in the stands at the Womens Basketball Championship, does that mean it didn't happen?

All she is saying is that the "vaccine", not a vaccine, is experimental biologics.

She is part of the group of front line doctors speaking up with the risks of losing everything!! AFLDS.com

AFLDS.com
Here is an article about the group called American Frontline Doctors that Lee Merritt belongs to. It’s a group that are conspiracy minded believing in alien DNA and many other conspiracy theories.
Very interesting read:
Back Away From “America’s Frontline Doctors” | Office for Science and Society - McGill University (https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/back-away-americas-frontline-doctors)

[Altavia]

Thank you to Boston:Sean. I read the attached information and watched the video created around Congressman Massive’ s study of the test data. You need to watch until the end of the Full Measure video that he attached. Heads of CDC acknowledge that the data results from the vaccination studies show no proven efficacy if you had previously had Covid. They apologize repeatedly for the misrepresentation of the data to the public.

Now, based on this information, my husband and I who are both 60 and have had the virus, will at a minimum wait for others in need to have their vaccinations. There is already conversation that this may be an annual recommendation like the flu shot. Unless data comes out saying otherwise there is nothing compelling to do otherwise.

Immune protection in recovered COVID patients after 6-8 months

A study finds further evidence that recovered COVID patients have immune protectionagainst SARS-CoV-2 lasting at least 6-8 months after disease onset. COVID antibodies were present, although at a lower level, in 80 percent of the patients. However, memory B and T cells(immune cells responsible for long-term protection) were active at high levels in all patients. Read at Med.

https://www.cell.com/med/pdf/S2666-6340(21)00038-6.pdf?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier .com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2666634021000386%3Fshowal l%3Dtrue

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[Altavia]

Thank you to Boston:Sean. I read the attached information and watched the video created around Congressman Massive’ s study of the test data. You need to watch until the end of the Full Measure video that he attached. Heads of CDC acknowledge that the data results from the vaccination studies show no proven efficacy if you had previously had Covid. They apologize repeatedly for the misrepresentation of the data to the public.

Now, based on this information, my husband and I who are both 60 and have had the virus, will at a minimum wait for others in need to have their vaccinations. There is already conversation that this may be an annual recommendation like the flu shot. Unless data comes out saying otherwise there is nothing compelling to do otherwise.

Immune protection in recovered COVID patients after 6-8 months

A study finds further evidence that recovered COVID patients have immune protectionagainst SARS-CoV-2 lasting at least 6-8 months after disease onset. COVID antibodies were present, although at a lower level, in 80 percent of the patients. However, memory B and T cells(immune cells responsible for long-term protection) were active at high levels in all patients. Read at Med.

https://www.cell.com/med/pdf/S2666-6340(21)00038-6.pdf?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier .com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2666634021000386%3Fshowal l%3Dtrue

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[drcar]

Here is an article about the group called American Frontline Doctors that Lee Merritt belongs to. It’s a group that are conspiracy minded believing in alien DNA and many other conspiracy theories.
Very interesting read:
Back Away From “America’s Frontline Doctors” | Office for Science and Society - McGill University (https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/back-away-americas-frontline-doctors)

Thank You for your post, the problem is to many believe the bull put out by groups like "American Frontline Doctors!!"

[Tadpole]

dhdallas: Neither my husband nor I will take it, either. Both of us are healthy and have great antibodies, and we just don’t feel right about the vaccine. I never even take antibiotics unless it’s absolutely necessary, or any other medication other than the over-the-counter vitamins and minerals most other geezers like me take. Also, I seem to have some kind of allergy to vaccines such as flu and pneumonia, so will not let them touch me with the COVID vaccine. Appreciate you sharing your knowledge with the rest of us.

[golfing eagles]

dhdallas: Neither my husband nor I will take it, either. Both of us are healthy and have great antibodies, and we just don’t feel right about the vaccine. I never even take antibiotics unless it’s absolutely necessary, or any other medication other than the over-the-counter vitamins and minerals most other geezers like me take. Also, I seem to have some kind of allergy to vaccines such as flu and pneumonia, so will not let them touch me with the COVID vaccine. Appreciate you sharing your knowledge with the rest of us.

Please define "great antibodies" for me, and then explain how you know YOU have them, whatever they are. Amazing.

[Byte1]

Lots of compelling information for those that wish excuses for not getting the vaccine. Good deal! Don't get it, if that is what you wish. Are you trying to convince us or yourself that you have a valid reason for not getting it? Makes no difference to me, because I do not know you and will not mourn you when you are gone. Either way, it just paves the way for others that really need assistance to get their vaccination.
I can give you a reason why I WON'T get the Flu vaccination, but I still think you should get it. Big difference. I have never had the flu and still believe I am healthy enough to survive it when or if it does finally catch up to me. On the other hand, I know this COVID will KILL my spouse so I am getting the vaccination. This is my reasoning for getting it. I know two family members that have died WITH COVID. I did not say BECAUSE of COVID because as much as it is being blamed, I really don't know. On the other hand, I know more than a dozen folks personally, as either family or friend that have shrugged the infection off in a few days. However, those were mostly younger folks. I believe that I would shrug it off also, but my spouse not so much. I am pretty sure it would kill her. I did a lot of research regarding the vaccinations for COVID and consider them to be mostly pretty safe. If not, and it hits me 20 years down the road, I will be in my 90's.....:1rotfl: Just curious, how many on here would sacrifice a few years for a loved one? Never mind, talk is cheap. Actions are evidence.
You like taking chances? Flip a coin and find out if you get the vaccine or don't get it. Either way, you are taking chances. Can you walk through life, never in the vicinity of an infected person, hoping that you won't catch the virus when you did not receive the inoculation? Or, do you take a chance on the vaccine where there is evidence that it has only been studied and tested for a little over a decade and the long term effects are not yet known? You see, I am in my 70's so the idea of "long term effects" have little pertinence to me.
That's my reasoning for getting the vaccination.

[Byte1]

Please define "great antibodies" for me, and then explain how you know YOU have them, whatever they are. Amazing.

Is it related to "great anti-matter?" I once had a great auntie body, but she got old and passed away.

[EdFNJ]

Is it related to "great anti-matter?" I once had a great auntie body, but she got old and passed away.


He means ANTY body.

[Barborv]

One should do what they feel comfortable with. As for me , I was on the fence and thought I would wait a bit. Then they opened it up to schools and almost everyone was jumping on it. Some of the younger girls don't want to get it now, and I understand. One of my daughters don't want to get it(30 yrs.) but my 24 yr old does. Her future mother in law who is a doctor (internal medicine ) recommends getting it. Our friends daughter is a cardiologist also recommends it. They said the long term effects of getting covid, even if you were asymptotic, can cause long term health problems. A few of my coworkers are having that problem now. My of my friends at work had it twice. Some of my friends and family had it from mild symptoms to such severe symptoms. I know a good hand full of people who lost someone from covid. My dear friend lost her dad last April and this past month lost her 64 year old nephew. Our friends daughter who is the cardiologist was helping ina queens hospital at the onset of the virus working on the covid floors. She said they had to put the body bags in the back of the hospital because they were overloaded with body bags.
To me, worrying about getting the virus and not knowing how it will effect me or the long term of it, to worrying about what the vaccine could possibly do long term(which they have been using genetic coding for some time now in different vaccines it. ) I decided to get . Now I can live more comfortable not worrying who crosses my path and worry about every kid I am in contact with in school.
I can feel good about visiting friends and family. I haven't seen them since the virus came in March. I am a full fledged mask wearer also. I don't play around with that! Basically, damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario I guess. No One knows what tomorrow or even an hour can bring, so enjoy now and be comfortable with any decision you make.

[graciegirl]

Please define "great antibodies" for me, and then explain how you know YOU have them, whatever they are. Amazing.

I wonder that too. Is it because you are rarely ill? Tadpole??? Also you said you don't take any medicine except over the counter vitamins? Do you SEE an M.D. for at least once a year general health visits? If so were medicines such as Cholesterol lowering statins prescribed to you as a preventative measure? Is your blood pressure not needing regulation? Have you opted not to take prescribed medication because you are of the opinion you enjoy excellent health, or have you had really good labs in the last year???

I am just wondering if you, Tadpole, decided on your own you do not need the medicines that are keeping people heart healthy???

[lucyemmi@icloud.com]

Thank you for this well written and informative article. More knowledge allows folks to make decisions that are not fear based.

[chet2020]

Dr Lee Merritt is more than just an "orthopedic Surgeon" She is former President of the Assoc of American Physicians and Surgeons...worked her career for the military ...she studied BIOLOGICAL WARFARE! I think this "qualifies" her more than just an orthopedic surgeon.

Under Obama, Chinese worked in our Bio Weapons Labs! Completely illegal, but that's another story

From a military standpoint, this is a perfect weapon, the mRNA.

mRNA NEVER made it through animal testing. She is just trying to warn people.

And just because she is trying to get her message out before it is censored does not mean it is not the truth! If there is no one in the stands at the Womens Basketball Championship, does that mean it didn't happen?

All she is saying is that the "vaccine", not a vaccine, is experimental biologics.

She is part of the group of front line doctors speaking up with the risks of losing everything!! AFLDS.com

AFLDS.com

I'm in the clinical trials industry and have worked on two COVID-19 trials, one successful, one failure (the failure actually wasn't bad, just not as good as the five below).

Some summary data:

Sponsors: Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Novavax, Janssen (J&J)

Total Patients Enrolled in Trials from Above Sponsors: About 74,000.

Total Deaths, Trial Participants from COVID-19: 0

Total Hospitalized, Trial Participants from COVID-19: 0

Total Deaths, Trial Participants from Vaccine Injection/Reaction: 0

Personally, I'm going to set aside the advice of the orthopedic surgeon for now, and take the advice of the dozen or so infectious disease physicians and epidemiologists that I follow who have spent their lives studying this. And the trial data looks pretty good too.

Conclusion, I'll take the vaccine as soon as it's my turn.

[Packer Fan]

Since I'm 57, I would like to encourage any of you who are reluctant to wait. This will allow them to get done with the 65 plus crowd sooner and on to my age group where I should be front of the line having diabetes. Then I can get mine faster. Works for all of us. For the life of me I don't get what long term effects the anti vaxxers are worried about. I was in the military and was reimunized for everything there is 39 years ago and no side effects. No vaccine has ever had long term side effects so why now?

Like I said I have no problem being your guinea pig so get outta the way.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

My fit brother in law 66 years old marathon runner no meds is in his 4th week in ICU at mass general in Boston he would have loved to have been vaccinated, I’m 82 just had my second no side effects I’ll take my chances with main stream science not scan the internet to look for excuses not to take the shots

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Since I'm 57, I would like to encourage any of you who are reluctant to wait. This will allow them to get done with the 65 plus crowd sooner and on to my age group where I should be front of the line having diabetes. Then I can get mine faster. Works for all of us. For the life of me I don't get what long term effects the anti vaxxers are worried about. I was in the military and was reimunized for everything there is 39 years ago and no side effects. No vaccine has ever had long term side effects so why now?

Like I said I have no problem being your guinea pig so get outta the way.

Anyone who's over 80 should wonder why they'd worry about the long-term effects of ANYTHING.

Maybe ageist? Or maybe pragmatic and realistic. The risk of someone in the UPPER senior years dying from anything at all is high. I'm thinking the risk of developing cancer or asthma or lung disease 20 years later when they're 100, is not as valuable as the risk of contracting COVID-19 right now and spending the entire rest of those 20 years sucking oxygen through a hose in your nostrils.

[EdFNJ]

Personally, I'm going to set aside the advice of the orthopedic surgeon for now, and take the advice of the dozen or so infectious disease physicians and epidemiologists that I follow who have spent their lives studying this. And the trial data looks pretty good too.


I'm going to set aside the advice and opinions of the orthopedic surgeon, REGISTERED NURSE(S) and/or EMT's, NP's, internet trolls, proctologists, radiologists, hair dressers, sanitation specialists, voodoo practitioners, political folks and anonymous forum users as well. Wait, already had my 2nd. When will the new H5N8 bird flu vaccines be ready? OY!
H5N8: Russia tells WHO it has detected first case of avian flu strain in humans - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/21/europe/russia-h5n8-avian-flu-poultry-humans-intl/index.html)

[golfing eagles]

Since I'm 57, I would like to encourage any of you who are reluctant to wait. This will allow them to get done with the 65 plus crowd sooner and on to my age group where I should be front of the line having diabetes. Then I can get mine faster. Works for all of us. For the life of me I don't get what long term effects the anti vaxxers are worried about. I was in the military and was reimunized for everything there is 39 years ago and no side effects. No vaccine has ever had long term side effects so why now?

Like I said I have no problem being your guinea pig so get outta the way.

Really. You must have missed that day when YOU went to medical school.

How about subacute sclerosing pan encephalitis from measles vaccine or acute idiopathic demyelinating polyradiculopathy from influenza vaccines or generalized encephalitis from smallpox vaccine or severe allergic reactions from just about any vaccine.

That being said, this appears to be a very safe vaccine and everybody should get it, per CDC recommendations. You have a much greater chance of dying while driving to the vaccine site than you do of dying from the vaccine, which in turn is much lower than if you contract the disease.

[Two Bills]

Article on todays BBC site regarding early results of those who have been vaccinated.

Covid vaccines - '''spectacular''' impact on serious illness - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600)

[Kerry Azz]

Another misguided soul, you probably don’t believe in climate change either.

[suzanne958]

Thank you for your informative information.

[graciegirl]

Another misguided soul, you probably don’t believe in climate change either.

To whom do you speak??? I am tired of these kinds of jabs. Everyone I know understands climate change....what they disagree about is spending money on things that don't work to change it. I am disappointed that people are not getting vaccinated against Covid-19. It does kill people. I know of three personally.

I wonder at people discussing 80 years old's with such a Cavalier attitude. I don't understand why someone would think that their life was not precious to them and their children at fifty or at 80.

I am overwhelmed sometimes and the harshness and extremely insensitive posts on this forum sometimes.

P.S. I still don't know exactly the point Boomer was trying to make. Was it this one???

[billethkid]

Article on todays BBC site regarding early results of those who have been vaccinated.

Covid vaccines - '''spectacular''' impact on serious illness - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600)

Let us all hope and pray the same positive results here at home.

Unfortunately I do not think the improving results will be reported in the USA.

It just seems like there is a need for many special interest groups to keep the USA population on it's knees, afraid and dependent.

I wonder why there are not more comments on the article/results?

[Love2Swim]

To whom do you speak??? I am tired of these kinds of jabs. Everyone I know understands climate change....what they disagree about is spending money on things that don't work to change it. I am disappointed that people are not getting vaccinated against Covid-19. It does kill people. I know of three personally.

I wonder at people discussing 80 years old's with such a Cavalier attitude. I don't understand why someone would think that their life was not precious to them and their children at fifty or at 80.

I am overwhelmed sometimes and the harshness and extremely insensitive posts on this forum sometimes.

P.S. I still don't know exactly the point Boomer was trying to make. Was it this one???

I agree with you about the snarky attitude and comments, but to clarify, there are a lot of people, some who have posted on TOTV, that absolutely deny climate change is man made - they think its just the natural way of things therefore we shouldn't try to change it. Scientists say otherwise, and say we should do everything we can to slow down the rate of change.

[graciegirl]

I agree with you about the snarky attitude and comments, but to clarify, there are a lot of people, some who have posted on TOTV, that absolutely deny climate change is man made - they think its just the natural way of things therefore we shouldn't try to change it. Scientists say otherwise, and say we should do everything we can to slow down the rate of change.

There used to be a lot of people that believed that but now not so many. Some folks group everyone into opinion groups and that is completely wrong. Meanwhile, the attitude of many are changing, have changed and yet people still see certain groups as all thinking exactly the same. That is unfair no matter which side of the aisle you sit.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When virtually every doctor in the world tells me that I should get vaccinated I tend to believe them. As opposed to a few outliers who might happen to be retired nurses.

[golfing eagles]

When virtually every doctor in the world tells me that I should get vaccinated I tend to believe them. As opposed to a few outliers who might happen to be retired nurses.

Bingo!!!!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

To whom do you speak??? I am tired of these kinds of jabs. Everyone I know understands climate change....what they disagree about is spending money on things that don't work to change it. I am disappointed that people are not getting vaccinated against Covid-19. It does kill people. I know of three personally.

I wonder at people discussing 80 years old's with such a Cavalier attitude. I don't understand why someone would think that their life was not precious to them and their children at fifty or at 80.

I am overwhelmed sometimes and the harshness and extremely insensitive posts on this forum sometimes.

P.S. I still don't know exactly the point Boomer was trying to make. Was it this one???

The interesting thing about climate change is that while 90% of all scientists agree that it is happening they don't all agree on how serious it it.

Al Gore used to say, "Our planet has a fever". When some people get a fever it's a sign of a very serious condition. For other's it's a mild cold or other condition that will be gone in short order.

The devil is in the details. 90% of all scientists do not agree on the long term effects of climate change or whether it is permanent or things will turn around in 100 years.

We've been hearing about the end of the world because of climate change for decades. In 1983 a paper was published saying that the world would end by the year 2000 as we would all be burned to a crisp. Since that didn't happen, many climate change alarmists like Al Gore have predicted things such as all of the polar ice melting and the oceans over flowing. These things were predicted to have happened by now. In fact, none of the predictions of doom have come true.

So does the planet have a mild cold or does it have a serious life threatening condition? Since none of the predictions have come true, I'm betting on the latter and so are a lot of scientists.

[Altavia]

Article on todays BBC site regarding early results of those who have been vaccinated.

Covid vaccines - '''spectacular''' impact on serious illness - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600)

Similar results from Israel

Israel eases restrictions following vaccine success - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56143126)

Israel eases restrictions following vaccine success

Israel is easing lockdown restrictions as studies there reveal the Pfizer vaccine is 95.8% effective in preventing hospitalisations and death.
From Sunday, shops, libraries and museums can open but social distancing and masks are still required.

The health ministry says it is the first stage of returning to normal life.
Israel has the highest vaccination rate in the world. More than 49% of people have received at least one dose.

The country entered its third lockdown on 27 December after a resurgence of the virus.
Under the easing measures, people are now able to enter shopping malls and tourist attractions such as zoos.

A number of other facilities are now able to reopen including gyms, hotels and synagogues. However they require a "green passport", a certificate that can only be obtained once you have been vaccinated. A small number of people who have recovered from the virus and are not currently eligible for the vaccine are also able to obtain the certificate.

The passport, which is contained in an app, is issued by the health ministry and will be valid for six months, one week after the second dose.
Crowds are now allowed back at concerts and sporting events have reopened at 75% capacity but they have a cap of no more than 300 people inside and 500 outside.
Despite the easing of restrictions, Israel's airport will remain closed for another two weeks.

On Saturday, the health ministry said studies revealed the risk of illness from the virus has dropped 95.8% among people who have had both doses of the Pfizer vaccine.
It also found that the vaccine was 98% effective in preventing fever or breathing problems.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he expects 95% of Israelis over 50 to be vaccinated over the next two weeks.

Earlier this week, the Gaza Strip received its first doses of the vaccine after Israel approved the transfer through its border. The shipment included 2,000 doses of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine which will be used on patients who have had organ transplants and those with kidney failure, an official told Reuters news agency.

It comes as the Palestinian Health Ministry struck a deal with Israel's Health Ministry to vaccinate 100,000 Palestinians who work in the country.

[EdFNJ]

When virtually every doctor in the world tells me that I should get vaccinated I tend to believe them. As opposed to a few outliers who might happen to be retired nurses. :boom: WOW! That was the perfect answer! :ho: Just aAdd retired EMT's, professional plumbers and hairdressers to that.

[jeblam]

David Dallas, RN: Read today's DAILY SUN (Thursday, Feb. 25). The reasons you state as to why you won't get the vaccine are based largely on misinformation and conspiracy theories. According to the experts (of which you are obviously not one!) you CAN endanger others by not wearing a mask even if vaccinated. However, the most important point is this: By not being vaccinated, you die, not me. The nearly 50 million vaccines administered to date have proven to be100% effective in preventing death from Covid.

[Lindsyburnsy]

I wonder how the family of the 500,000+ dead Americans' family members and the thousands currently in the hospital with COVID and those with long lasting affects of the disease, feel about your statement. Most or all of your statements are not based on research, science or facts. Misinformation is not at all helpful. I didn't see Virologist in your resume.

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

[Tmarkwald]

Let us all hope and pray the same positive results here at home.

Unfortunately I do not think the improving results will be reported in the USA.

It just seems like there is a need for many special interest groups to keep the USA population on it's knees, afraid and dependent.

I wonder why there are not more comments on the article/results?

217 Million Vaccinated - ZERO deaths due to the vaccine!

Mass 'real world' study confirms Pfizer vaccine's efficacy (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/mass-real-world-study-confirms-pfizer-vaccine-s-efficacy/ar-BB1e0ky3?ocid=msedgntp)

[Tbrazie]

I agree. So far only 5 cases of 38 Million are confirmed reinfection, at least one was a different strain. I am also a scientist and my son is an MD. I have had Covid and am not getting the vaccine.

[Tmarkwald]

When we get to the point where the only people being infected and dying from Covid are those who refuse to get the vaccine, it is time to take off the mask.

Like anything else, if you want to roll the dice and take a chance, that's your prerogative, but it should not affect the well being of others.

Survival of the fittest... you can lead a horse to water... etc... People make conscience decisions to forgo the science and place themselves in harm's way all the time... Those people are responsible for their actions, not the rest of us.

[Velvet]

Well, there is a saying, some people are born to dig their own graves.

[C. C. Rider]

Just because something doesn't kill you or make you seriously ill within a month or two of exposure to it is no guarantee that it won't do so at some time in the future. The jury is still out on the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

In the short term, the vaccine seems to be doing very well. However, the same thing could be said about 99.85% of the population of this country with regard to Covid-19.

[Bill14564]

Just because something doesn't kill you or make you seriously ill within a month or two of exposure to it is no guarantee that it won't do so at some time in the future. The jury is still out on the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

In the short term, the vaccine seems to be doing very well. However, the same thing could be said about 99.85% of the population of this country with regard to Covid-19.

I don't have time to show the problem with your 99.85% figure. Maybe later.

I believe we are over four months for the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. And we now have a sample size, in the US alone, of over 45M. That certainly doesn't mean that no adverse side effect will ever be discovered but I'm not willing to wait until "anytime in the future" to protect myself from this virus - I will be happy to see you step out of line and allow me to move up.

[C. C. Rider]

I don't have time to show the problem with your 99.85% figure. Maybe later.

I believe we are over four months for the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. And we now have a sample size, in the US alone, of over 45M. That certainly doesn't mean that no adverse side effect will ever be discovered but I'm not willing to wait until "anytime in the future" to protect myself from this virus - I will be happy to see you step out of line and allow me to move up.

I haven't even gotten in line for the vaccine yet, so you are welcome to take my place as the guinea pig at any time you wish. Perhaps at some later date when I see how it's worked (or not) on all the test volunteers like you, I may decide to take it... or not.

Another advantage of not being first in line is that with all the variants of the virus going around, it's likely that those later in line will get a vaccine that covers a wider range of variants than those at the front of the line. In which case, you'll need to get in line again for your supplemental shot.

[Pairadocs]

If you decide not to get a vaccine, do you know that will allow someone else to get theirs quicker?? They will appreciate your decision.

Covid is not a “mild” virus. It kills.

Yes, it does kill. So does flu , slips in the bath, and systemic infection from a simple cut in the kitchen making dinner. How many people did each year in each state ? How many cancer deaths per year ? Is cigar smoking on the rise of ebbibg, what about baking ? Should candy and baked goods be sold to those with diabetes ? So many questions to ponder. How many died shoveling snow last week, car someone loose consciousness and crash an auto into a golf cart full of grandkids...can you did from a terrorist bomb just watching a parade? Life is rather dangerous and we are all best advised to do what we believe is best for us based on our formal and informal knowledge and experience.

[Pairadocs]

I haven't even gotten in line for the vaccine yet, so you are welcome to take my place as the guinea pig at any time you wish. Perhaps at some later date when I see how it's worked (or not) on all the test volunteers like you, I may decide to take it... or not.

Another advantage of not being first in line is that with all the variants of the virus going around, it's likely that those later in line will get a vaccine that covers a wider range of variants than those at the front of the line. In which case, you'll need to get in line again for your supplemental shot.

You are absolutely correct in that last paragrapg...very likely.

[Pairadocs]

David Dallas, RN: Read today's DAILY SUN (Thursday, Feb. 25). The reasons you state as to why you won't get the vaccine are based largely on misinformation and conspiracy theories. According to the experts (of which you are obviously not one!) you CAN endanger others by not wearing a mask even if vaccinated. However, the most important point is this: By not being vaccinated, you die, not me. The nearly 50 million vaccines administered to date have proven to be100% effective in preventing death from Covid.

100% now, didn't realize it had risen to that now...

[C. C. Rider]

100% now, didn't realize it had risen to that now...

Well, here's how that works. If you're a healthy 45 year old and get the covid vaccine and then die 3 days later from brain swelling and a fever of 108*, then it must have been something else that killed you and not the vaccine.

But, OTOH, if you're 94 and in a nursing home and suffering from cancer, diabetes, and emphysema and you die two days after testing positive for Covid, then Covid was the obvious cause of your death.

[Tmarkwald]

Well, here's how that works. If you're a healthy 45 year old and get the covid vaccine and then die 3 days later from brain swelling and a fever of 108*, then it must have been something else that killed you and not the vaccine.

But, OTOH, if you're 94 and in a nursing home and suffering from cancer, diabetes, and emphysema and you die two days after testing positive for Covid, then Covid was the obvious cause of your death.

Well, there hasn't been a single reported or confirmed death from the vaccines yet..

[wireguy]

Glad I read this.

[EdFNJ]

Yes, it does kill. So does flu , slips in the bath, and systemic infection from a simple cut in the kitchen making dinner............................. etc etc So what type of "DOC" are you a "PAIR A" to post these false equivalencies? Maybe I am wrong assuming by your user name it's medical and maybe it refers to the fact you own two boats each separately docked? If so I apologize. If it is medical do you suggest to your patients to not give their children childhood vaccines because they could die anyway from falling off the jungle gym?

[Velvet]

So what type of "DOC" are you a "PAIR A" to post these false equivalencies? Maybe I am wrong assuming by your user name it's medical and maybe it refers to the fact you own two boats each separately docked? If so I apologize.

Off topic, and not to be disrespectful... but this comment just made me laugh.

[drcar]

Well, here's how that works. If you're a healthy 45 year old and get the covid vaccine and then die 3 days later from brain swelling and a fever of 108*, then it must have been something else that killed you and not the vaccine.

But, OTOH, if you're 94 and in a nursing home and suffering from cancer, diabetes, and emphysema and you die two days after testing positive for Covid, then Covid was the obvious cause of your death.

omg

[EdFNJ]

Off topic, and not to be disrespectful... but this comment just made me laugh. Actually the intent was to make one grimace with a side order of pun. ;)

[graciegirl]

So what type of "DOC" are you a "PAIR A" to post these false equivalencies? Maybe I am wrong assuming by your user name it's medical and maybe it refers to the fact you own two boats each separately docked? If so I apologize. If it is medical do you suggest to your patients to not give their children childhood vaccines because they could die anyway from falling off the jungle gym?

I too have wondered what the name means concerning "two doc's".

I will restate the question to them. Are you a Paradox or are you medical? I am not medical but I read a lot of medical stuff. I have more than once disagreed with Paira on medical stuff.

[CFrance]

I haven't even gotten in line for the vaccine yet, so you are welcome to take my place as the guinea pig at any time you wish. Perhaps at some later date when I see how it's worked (or not) on all the test volunteers like you, I may decide to take it... or not.

Another advantage of not being first in line is that with all the variants of the virus going around, it's likely that those later in line will get a vaccine that covers a wider range of variants than those at the front of the line. In which case, you'll need to get in line again for your supplemental shot.
You have to get in line for another flu shot every year too, because there are different strains each year. No one complains about that. So what's wrong with doing that for Covid vacs.

[C. C. Rider]

You have to get in line for another flu shot every year too, because there are different strains each year. No one complains about that. So what's wrong with doing that for Covid vacs.

You are making assumptions without any facts to back them up. First, no one HAS to get a flu shot every year. Some people never get flu shots. Some people get them occasionally. And some people get them yearly.

Second, yes, some people do complain about getting flu shots because there doesn't seem to be much correlation between people who get the shots and people who get the flu. I know some people who never get the flu shot and never seem to be sick with the flu. I also know people who get the shots yearly, yet frequently seem to come down with the flu.

I would suggest that flu shots are probably recommended for pretty much the same people that Covid shots are recommended for... i.e. those who are elderly with comorbidities. For younger and/or more healthy and robust individuals, the flu presents very little danger (percentagewise) ... kind of like Covid.

Third, the thing that's "wrong" with getting annual shots for Covid is that this isn't what we were told in the beginning when the Covid vaccines became available. Most people seemed to believe that it was two shots and done. Now, the "medical experts" have kept moving the goalposts on us and tell us to ignore what they said a few months ago and instead do what they are saying now.

It's hard to have trust and confidence in someone who keeps saying that their advice a few months ago was wrong, but they know better today. What's to keep them from moving the goalposts yet again in a few more months? Answer: Absolutely nothing. Not only is it possible that they will move the goalposts in a few months, but I would consider it LIKELY. If you want to constantly cling to every word the "experts" say and never hold them accountable for previous things they have told you that proved wrong... well, that's your choice. I tend to be a bit more skeptical of people whose advice is constantly changing, particularly if it is contradicting their previous advice.

[CFrance]

What facts? It's a well-known fact that every year there are different strains of flu in each country that are new from the year before. It's a well-known fact that they guess what strains are going to be prevalent in any given year. Anyone who listens to news or reads newspapers is aware of this.

Variants of Covid are not unusual. Vaccines will have to adjust. We will have to get boosters. I never thought differently and am surprised anyone would think it was going to be one and done. I don't believe anyone in the medical community suggested it was going to be one and done. Where is that fact?

As far as the medical community changing their advice and strategies, that has been going on for centuries. As medical science advances and more studies are done, advice changes. Everyone always knows better as new viruses evolve. Give them a break. This is new; we are all learning. They're doing the best they can.

You said "You are making assumptions without any facts to back them up. First, no one HAS to get a flu shot every year. Some people never get flu shots. Some people get them occasionally. And some people get them yearly. " I don't understand what fact I didn't have. What I said had nothing to do with people having to get a flu shot every year. I was simply stating that each year there are different strains from the year before, and IF YOU WANT to get a flu shot, you know that it will not be a one and done. And probably neither will your covid shot.

[C. C. Rider]

This is new; we are all learning. They're doing the best they can.


That's pretty much the point I was making. Even the docs are still learning and doing the best that they can, but that doesn't mean that what they say today, or ANY day, is absolute gospel and applies equally to everyone. It simply means that it's their best guess with the available info they have at the time.

But there's more to it than that. Their public statements are intended for "public consumption". In other words, there's a healthy dose of CYA (Cover Your A**) included in every public statement.

[TimeForChange]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

When I entered the military in 1965 they injected us with every vaccine known to man at the time. I had no ill effects. Then they injected us again before going to Vietnam. None! In Vietnam in 1967, 68 we did not even know about agent orange or the other defoliates being used. My company I worked with for 35 years used the WHO to do testing on several products. They are nothing but a front for those donating millions to them so that they can pay their high priced researchers. First they tested our product on lab rats with great results and then they came back and said we need to test with hamster's. They will milk you for every cent they can. Our last POTUS was correct in pulling out. I have taken both Moderna shots along with my wife and I am thankful. Lastly my daughter in law is an infectious disease specialist MD with the CDC in Atlanta and near the top and has been with them for 15 years. Before taking the injection I talked with her. She had the shot well before we did. She nor any of her co-workers had any issues with the vaccines. These people are the experts in their field. Just fact!

[coffeebean]

You are making assumptions without any facts to back them up. First, no one HAS to get a flu shot every year. Some people never get flu shots. Some people get them occasionally. And some people get them yearly.

Second, yes, some people do complain about getting flu shots because there doesn't seem to be much correlation between people who get the shots and people who get the flu. I know some people who never get the flu shot and never seem to be sick with the flu. I also know people who get the shots yearly, yet frequently seem to come down with the flu.

I would suggest that flu shots are probably recommended for pretty much the same people that Covid shots are recommended for... i.e. those who are elderly with comorbidities. For younger and/or more healthy and robust individuals, the flu presents very little danger (percentagewise) ... kind of like Covid.

Third, the thing that's "wrong" with getting annual shots for Covid is that this isn't what we were told in the beginning when the Covid vaccines became available. Most people seemed to believe that it was two shots and done. Now, the "medical experts" have kept moving the goalposts on us and tell us to ignore what they said a few months ago and instead do what they are saying now.

It's hard to have trust and confidence in someone who keeps saying that their advice a few months ago was wrong, but they know better today. What's to keep them from moving the goalposts yet again in a few more months? Answer: Absolutely nothing. Not only is it possible that they will move the goalposts in a few months, but I would consider it LIKELY. If you want to constantly cling to every word the "experts" say and never hold them accountable for previous things they have told you that proved wrong... well, that's your choice. I tend to be a bit more skeptical of people whose advice is constantly changing, particularly if it is contradicting their previous advice.

Sorry but you have no clue whatsoever about any of this. Science is always evolving. You may want to look up the definition of "science" and the definition of "evolution". That may help you to understand.

[graciegirl]

And I, as a high school graduate, say WHAT?

I agree, Vintageogauge.

A recent poll from The Kaiser Family Foundation, quoted on Wesh2 News last night and this morning;

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: February 2021 | KFF (https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-february-2021/)

Kaiser Family Foundation - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Family_Foundation)

[Jerseygirl08]

Spot on! And Thalidamide, a vaccine developed in the early '60's to stop morning sickness, as well, resulted in thousands of babies with tragic results...phocomelia and hemimelia. Also, in 1957, during the Asian Flu pandemic, a vaccine was fast-tracked, just as the Covid vaccine was, that killed and made seriously ill many Americans, one of which was a family member of mine. In the end, we all, thankfully, still have a choice not to be vaccinated. This IS (still) a free country after all!

Justus, thanks for voicing your honest opinion and for mentioning Thalidamide. I have a friend who suffered a "thalidamide" deformity so this issue is always on my mind. For me (I'm a working nurse), there has been no time for long term trials for this vaccine. And I DO NOT EVER EVER follow the advice of our government. They have wavered, been caught in lies, and will do anything, ANYTHING, to further their purses, power, and careers. I am making my own decision on this and choose to not get the vaccine. Many of my peers are doing the same. To each his/her own. If/When we are mandated or forced to get the vaccine, our great country is in grave danger. I'm afraid there are people on this forum who would push to make this a mandated vaccine. Thank God we can still make our own decisions on matters such as this. I did not interpret your post as others. It was a "take it or leave it" - long winded statement. Thank you.

[Jerseygirl08]

Just for clarity.
Thalidamide was a drug, not a vaccine.
That's true. But it was marketed to the medical community and Mom's in particular ... as a safe, effective, remedy for nausea. Did not pan out well for many newborns and their Mom's. But it took years for this to be evident. That was my point. We don't know what the long term effects will be as it relates to the 2 month clinical trial of the vaccine. Just sayin'. Drug companies, pharma companies, governments . . . all have their reasons for pushing their products through.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And I DO NOT EVER EVER follow the advice of our government. They have wavered, been caught in lies, and will do anything, ANYTHING, to further their purses, power, and careers. I am making my own decision on this and choose to not get the vaccine. Many of my peers are doing the same. To each his/her own. If/When we are mandated or forced to get the vaccine, our great country is in grave danger. I'm afraid there are people on this forum who would push to make this a mandated vaccine. Thank God we can still make our own decisions on matters such as this. I did not interpret your post as others. It was a "take it or leave it" - long winded statement. Thank you.

1. You DO follow the advice of our government. They advise you to file a tax return every year, if you fall into the category of "most people." Unless you refuse to pay the voluntary income tax that they advise you to pay, in which case not my problem if you get audited some day.

2. You accept lots of mandates already. If you choose to go to certain countries, you agree to abide by certain vaccine mandates. Refusing to go to a country "BECAUSE" they require you to be vaccinated is a pretty dumb reason to refuse to go. There are much more intelligent reasons to refuse to go to those other countries (such as - I don't want to - which is a perfectly intelligent reason to not go).

3. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is childish behavior.

[Byte1]

Justus, thanks for voicing your honest opinion and for mentioning Thalidamide. I have a friend who suffered a "thalidamide" deformity so this issue is always on my mind. For me (I'm a working nurse), there has been no time for long term trials for this vaccine. And I DO NOT EVER EVER follow the advice of our government. They have wavered, been caught in lies, and will do anything, ANYTHING, to further their purses, power, and careers. I am making my own decision on this and choose to not get the vaccine. Many of my peers are doing the same. To each his/her own. If/When we are mandated or forced to get the vaccine, our great country is in grave danger. I'm afraid there are people on this forum who would push to make this a mandated vaccine. Thank God we can still make our own decisions on matters such as this. I did not interpret your post as others. It was a "take it or leave it" - long winded statement. Thank you.

To a certain degree, I agree with your sentiments very much. And I respect your right to refuse the vaccine. I have never had the flu and I haven't had a flu shot 50 years. BUT....I still got the Covid shots. Why? Because I don't consider the flu to be as dangerous as covid. I may be wrong. My spouse is a cancer survivor, high blood pressure, and diabetic. I am protecting her, .....maybe. She had the shots also, but I am being doubly careful since we are so close. In the military, we had many shots and every time I went overseas, more. Yes, I have had some side effects from shots, such as sore arm, fever, etc. I know there are some guys on here that received the "GG" shot in the rear, that know what I mean when I say that it felt like someone inserted a plug of cement in my bum, and especially felt it when I hit the rack later that night. But, I digress. I did a lot of reading and research about the vaccinations. I see them as a revolutionary step in vaccine technology. I sincerely hope that there are no lingering side effects. But, like I have said in other threads, if I have a negative reaction 20 years from now, I will be in my 90's and still alive. I am not getting the shots for me, or my neighbors, friends, etc. I am getting it solely for my spouse, to give us both a chance of enjoying our limited longevity (oxymoron?) in the future.
I too worry about the gov overstepping it's authority, by mandating more and more of our lives, but that is political and I will stay away from that, less I cause an early termination of this thread.
I respect your decision to decline the vaccinations, and you will probably be fine.....probably. After all, the chances of catching it right now is very low. The chances of survival if infected is very high, and if most everyone else around you is inoculated and immune, then you will stay healthy without having to take the chance of long term after effects of the vaccine. However, IF you should contract the virus there is a chance that you will die a nasty long suffering demise, with a hose in your mouth keeping you from complaining, and no family or friends to comfort you during your last miserable days. But, that probably won't happen to you, right?
I have no doubt that if I would have been infected, that I would have shrugged off the virus in a couple days, if symptomatic at all. However, now I don't have to consider that, do I?
Have a great life, and stand by your principles, because I am sure there are others like myself that applaud your tenacity.
I am 100% sure that now, my spouse and I can cross that worry off our list of concerns in our twilight period.

[Love2Swim]

Thalidomide was a drug not a vaccine.

This is not the first time that an mRNA vaccine has been used in humans. The first human trial of an mRNA vaccine began in 2009 in a small group of patients who had prostate cancer. Overall, that mRNA vaccine was well tolerated and had a good safety profile. In 2013 a clinical trial began of an mRNA rabies vaccine in healthy human adults. This rabies trial was important because the safety requirements for a vaccine in a healthy population are more stringent than those for a vaccine being used to treat a disease. The study ran from 2013-2016, and continues to collect long-term safety data. But overall, this vaccine was deemed generally safe and tolerable. mRNA vaccines are now in use in clinical trials for HIV, the Zika virus, and influenza. Scientists project that the Covid Vaccines which are based on the same methodology will be highly unlikely to have long term side effects. Sure, we won't be 100% sure until we complete years of study, but since we need an emergency vaccine, the evidence is there to make using it a no brainer when we have had over 500,000 people die in this country during this pandemic. There are no short term effects, and longer term data we have at present suggests it will be safe as well, to combat a very deadly virus.

[CFrance]

Thalidomide was a drug not a vaccine.

This is not the first time that an mRNA vaccine has been used in humans. The first human trial of an mRNA vaccine began in 2009 in a small group of patients who had prostate cancer. Overall, that mRNA vaccine was well tolerated and had a good safety profile. In 2013 a clinical trial began of an mRNA rabies vaccine in healthy human adults. This rabies trial was important because the safety requirements for a vaccine in a healthy population are more stringent than those for a vaccine being used to treat a disease. The study ran from 2013-2016, and continues to collect long-term safety data. But overall, this vaccine was deemed generally safe and tolerable. mRNA vaccines are now in use in clinical trials for HIV, the Zika virus, and influenza. Scientists project that the Covid Vaccines which are based on the same methodology will be highly unlikely to have long term side effects. Sure, we won't be 100% sure until we complete years of study, but since we need an emergency vaccine, the evidence is there to make using it a no brainer when we have had over 500,000 people die in this country during this pandemic. There are no short term effects, and longer term data we have at present suggests it will be safe as well, to combat a very deadly virus.
Thanks for this information. I recalled having read somewhere that this vaccine has been in use in some form for many years, and studied and approved, and that the covid-19 vaccine is a variant of an already proven vaccine. It's not a completely new vaccine that was rammed through the pipeline without sufficient testing. I just couldn't remember where I read that.


I did read that the reason this was able to be approved so fast had to do with cutting through a lot of bureaucracy and providing sufficient financial aid, not approving a vaccine that hadn't been sufficiently tested.

[sasman29]

Fact remains that vaccinations are lowering the death rate and infection rate

[Tmarkwald]

Sorry but you have no clue whatsoever about any of this. Science is always evolving. You may want to look up the definition of "science" and the definition of "evolution". That may help you to understand.

Agreed. Anyone who believed that the vaccine was a one-and- done really is confused. It's like spraying for mosquitos in the south. You have to do it repeatedly.

[Tmarkwald]

Justus, thanks for voicing your honest opinion and for mentioning Thalidamide. I have a friend who suffered a "thalidamide" deformity so this issue is always on my mind. For me (I'm a working nurse), there has been no time for long term trials for this vaccine. And I DO NOT EVER EVER follow the advice of our government. They have wavered, been caught in lies, and will do anything, ANYTHING, to further their purses, power, and careers. I am making my own decision on this and choose to not get the vaccine. Many of my peers are doing the same. To each his/her own. If/When we are mandated or forced to get the vaccine, our great country is in grave danger. I'm afraid there are people on this forum who would push to make this a mandated vaccine. Thank God we can still make our own decisions on matters such as this. I did not interpret your post as others. It was a "take it or leave it" - long winded statement. Thank you.

Well, my only comment is the the vaccine may be required by many countries and possibly be required to fly on an airplane.

The choice may very well be between being a part of humanity or staying at home.....

[graciegirl]

That's true. But it was marketed to the medical community and Mom's in particular ... as a safe, effective, remedy for nausea. Did not pan out well for many newborns and their Mom's. But it took years for this to be evident. That was my point. We don't know what the long term effects will be as it relates to the 2 month clinical trial of the vaccine. Just sayin'. Drug companies, pharma companies, governments . . . all have their reasons for pushing their products through.

That was quite some time ago and a tragedy. That was an anti-nausea medicine and Covid-19 is a vaccine to keep this particular virus from killing you and giving you other things like blood clots and strokes and an unusual and awful pneumonia.

Drug companies make drugs to help people get better and to save their lives. They are not evil. They are manufacturing companies and they do make money.......and in so doing provide a lot of jobs as well. We have got to stop eating up every exaggeration and inaccurate fact we are presented. I think they overcharge sometimes but they aren't out to kill us or to hurt us.

AND while I am sorta on this subject. Folks who use the term " Big Pharma" are often under the influence of a lot of what I call quackery from alternative medicine, taking supplements that make those people tons of money as well. Go to a doctor you trust who has a traditional medical background and do what he/she says to do. Now remember I am not a medical person, just someone who tries very hard to find the truth.