Vaccine fails 5% of the time - please stay home

[LiverpoolWalrus]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

[Velvet]

My understanding is that the 5% who caught Covid in the trials after vaccination, did not develop serious illness, were not hospitalized and none died. So even then there was a certain amount of protection.

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm guessing 75 posts on this thread..........................

[Kenswing]

I'm guessing 75 posts on this thread..........................

And 15 of them will be from the same person.. :popcorn:

[jebartle]

Sooooo, 5% chance you get sick, 95% chance "life is good", no brainer for me!

[Kenswing]

Five percent of the people exposed will get it. So what are the chances of being exposed? Then take 5% of that. I feel good about my chances.

[DeanFL]

I'm guessing 75 posts on this thread..........................

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and ALL= bonified experts. In their own minds.
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[cypress]

You can stay home forever then. Who going to care?

[Mrprez]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will fail 5% of the time.

So unfortunately 5% of vaccinated people who are exposed and infected are likely to have symptoms of the disease. If the vaccine fails completely in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% have the same risk as the unvaccinated and could conceivably face serious illness. Not to be alarmist, but statistically, that is what the missing 5% means.

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid and some may get quite sick.

The good news is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of getting sick and I’m not sure they understand this. Before they had a 20% chance. Now they have a 5% chance.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance?

Again, not to be alarmist, but a 5% chance of serious illness is not that much less than 20%.

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.

Good for you. I will not be doing any of these things and haven’t in the last year. My life will go on until it stops. COVID or bus, you are just as dead.

[CWGUY]

I'm guessing 75 posts on this thread..........................

:icon_wink:I'll take the "over" on that bet. :)

[Aloha1]

Please save us from the Nanny State.

[Aloha1]

And also those who get all their news from the internet.

[valuemkt]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will fail 5% of the time.

So unfortunately 5% of vaccinated people who are exposed and infected are likely to have symptoms of the disease. If the vaccine fails completely in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% have the same risk as the unvaccinated and could conceivably face serious illness. Not to be alarmist, but statistically, that is what the missing 5% means.

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid and some may get quite sick.

The good news is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of getting sick and I’m not sure they understand this. Before they had a 20% chance. Now they have a 5% chance.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance?

Again, not to be alarmist, but a 5% chance of serious illness is not that much less than 20%.

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.

Too bad for you, but you will probably die at home .. lack of Vitamin D form the sun, depression, fear, loneliness .. maybe you'll trip and fall coming out of the shower and no one would dare enter your house from the smell of the house being sealed up .. What a pathetic way to spend your retirement years .. The good news is, you have freedom of choice . much like the many people in The Villages have freedom of choice to live life to the fullest and enjoy their senior years.. Sorry to hear about your loss.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It might help to do the math on this. I won't, because a) it's too much math for me and b) I'm not concerned enough to try. But here's what you need to figure out:

1. Of all the people who DO get COVID, how many actually display symptoms?
2. Of all the people who get COVID and display symptoms, how many of them display serious symptoms requiring hospitalization and/or a morgue?

Now - Of all people who get COVID, display symptoms, and need hospitalization and/or a morgue, how many of them were vaccinated?

My guess is that of that 5% of all vaccinated people who get COVID anyway, less than 1% will have serious symptoms requiring hospitalization and/or a morgue.

Now - of ALL people who have gotten a vaccine, how many people, the actual quantity, is represented by the 1% of the 5%?

NOW - figure out if that 1% of the 5% is statistically significant. I'm guessing it won't be.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Too bad for you, but you will probably die at home .. lack of Vitamin D form the sun, depression, fear, loneliness .. maybe you'll trip and fall coming out of the shower and no one would dare enter your house from the smell of the house being sealed up .. What a pathetic way to spend your retirement years .. The good news is, you have freedom of choice . much like the many people in The Villages have freedom of choice to live life to the fullest and enjoy their senior years.. Sorry to hear about your loss.

Did you know gullible is not in the dictionary? (And thank you for your concern.)

[LiverpoolWalrus]

My understanding is that the 5% who caught Covid in the trials after vaccination, did not develop serious illness, were not hospitalized and none died. So even then there was a certain amount of protection.

Thank you for this, Velvet. I looked into it further and you appear to be right. So I edited my heavily tongue-in-cheek post to reflect this fact. Too bad the posts that quote my original post will show the unedited version. But let the record show that it appears that 100% of the vaccinated are protected from serious illness or death. The 5% will only have mild symptoms and that's only IF they get infected.

[tvbound]

I think it's time for a reality check.


14 Diseases You Almost Forgot About (Thanks to Vaccines)

14 Diseases You Almost Forgot About (Thanks to Vaccines) | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html)

Now just imagine where we might be today, if the current anti-Covid vaccination hysteria existed +-70 years ago.

[golfing eagles]

Did you know gullible is not in the dictionary? (And thank you for your concern.)

However, paranoid IS in the dictionary:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[oldtimes]

However, paranoid IS in the dictionary:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

So is obsessive

[golfing eagles]

So is obsessive

so is passive-aggressive:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[billethkid]

:shocked:

:popcorn:

[stanley]

And 15 of them will be from the same person.. :popcorn:

Umm.........possibly two

[stanley]

It might help to do the math on this. I won't, because a) it's too much math for me and b) I'm not concerned enough to try. But here's what you need to figure out:

1. Of all the people who DO get COVID, how many actually display symptoms?
2. Of all the people who get COVID and display symptoms, how many of them display serious symptoms requiring hospitalization and/or a morgue?

Now - Of all people who get COVID, display symptoms, and need hospitalization and/or a morgue, how many of them were vaccinated?

My guess is that of that 5% of all vaccinated people who get COVID anyway, less than 1% will have serious symptoms requiring hospitalization and/or a morgue.

Now - of ALL people who have gotten a vaccine, how many people, the actual quantity, is represented by the 1% of the 5%?

NOW - figure out if that 1% of the 5% is statistically significant. I'm guessing it won't be.

You sure do guess a lot.

[oldtimes]

so is passive-aggressive:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I was agreeing with you. The paranoia is obsessive.

[Marathon Man]

Thank you for this, Velvet. I looked into it further and you appear to be right. So I edited my heavily tongue-in-cheek post to reflect this fact. Too bad the posts that quote my original post will show the unedited version. But let the record show that it appears that 100% of the vaccinated are protected from serious illness or death. The 5% will only have mild symptoms and that's only IF they get infected.

Research first. Type second. I wish people would do that.

[Stu from NYC]

We have had our two doses and will be careful but will go out a lot more and enjoy this place.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

We have had our two doses and will be careful but will go out a lot more and enjoy this place.

I'm truly happy for everyone feeling the relief and freedom that comes with being inoculated. Lift a glass and kick some &%%!!!

[ElGee]

So probably nobody should leave their home even to cross the street in the off chance they will get run over, or attacked by a rabid squirrel.

[Dgizzi]

Are you being serious? Do you not HAVE TO WORK! If it was. Pandemic we would all be sick. You need more than a vaccine! You need to get out of your house and get some sense back into you. You need oxygen and sun. I feel sorry for you.

[golfing eagles]

So probably nobody should leave their home even to cross the street in the off chance they will get run over, or attacked by a rabid squirrel.

Squirrels do not carry rabies :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Five percent of the people exposed will get it. So what are the chances of being exposed? Then take 5% of that. I feel good about my chances.

Actually, nobody knows the percent of people who will get infected after they're exposed, with or without the vaccine. The 5% is the portion of vaccinated people predicted to have mild symptoms - if they happen to get infected after being jabbed. Among unvaccinated people who get infected, 20% are predicted to have no symptoms or mild symptoms. So the vaccine gives you a 15% "upgrade" in your chances of being okay if you get infected. Each person has to make a personal decision as to whether that upgrade is worth it.

[coffeebean]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

That is it in a nutshell. That is the BIG KAHUNA for me and hubby. THAT is why we are vaccinated. We have been out and about all along but have been very careful and have followed all CDC guidelines. No more fears now that we are vaccinated. We still follow CDC guidelines but with a huge sigh of relief.

[coffeebean]

My understanding is that the 5% who caught Covid in the trials after vaccination, did not develop serious illness, were not hospitalized and none died. So even then there was a certain amount of protection.

That is my understanding also because that is what has been reported by the Moderna vaccine manufacturer.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

However, paranoid IS in the dictionary:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I hope you're not referring to me, good doctor. Sorry you didn't catch the tongue-in-cheek slant of my post, even with the "gullibility" quip! Is it even possible to not leave one's house for a year...and quarantine delivered goods and then spray them down?

How would I have been able to see the Hooligans all those times over the past year?

[coffeebean]

Thank you for this, Velvet. I looked into it further and you appear to be right. So I edited my heavily tongue-in-cheek post to reflect this fact. Too bad the posts that quote my original post will show the unedited version. But let the record show that it appears that 100% of the vaccinated are protected from serious illness or death. The 5% will only have mild symptoms and that's only IF they get infected.

And............there are still people who ask, "why bother to be vaccinated if you still have to wear a mask and social distance?" Those are the folks who are misguided and misinformed.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

And............there are still people who ask, "why bother to be vaccinated if you still have to wear a mask and social distance?" Those are the folks who are misguided and misinformed.

Yes, I just heard a commentator on the conservative Patriot “news”
station say exactly that yesterday. They know better than that. They’re just pandering to their base.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes, I just heard a commentator on the conservative Patriot “news”
station say exactly that yesterday. They know better than that. They’re just pandering to their base.

They helped create their base. Standard marketing strategy: a) find a need and fill it. b) if you can't find a need, create one, convince everyone they have it, and then fill it.

That's not news. It's propaganda.

[camaguey48]

Home for over a year? Forget how to live. Faith over fear.

[jswirs]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

Please accept my most sincere condolences on your loss(es).

[tuccillo]

In order to use the vaccine efficacy stats correctly you need to know the probability of developing COVID if you are exposed. The vaccine efficacy stat really represents the reduction in the probability that you will develop COVID if you are vaccinated when compared to not being vaccinated. Again, it is a probability. For example, say your probability of developing COVID if you are exposed is 5% if you are not vaccinated. If you are vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine then the probability of developing COVID would drop to 0.25% (20x reduction in the probability since the efficacy is 95%). Efficacy stats are probably best used to compare different vaccines but how the trails are conducted is always different (for example, the definition of a "positive" result was not the same for the different trials and the different trials did not use the same control and test groups) so it is a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison. Also, keep in mind that one of the results from the trials was that nobody who was vaccinated developed severe symptoms.

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

[stanley]

They helped create their base. Standard marketing strategy: a) find a need and fill it. b) if you can't find a need, create one, convince everyone they have it, and then fill it.

That's not news. It's propaganda.

The "propaganda" works both ways ya know.

[Tom2172]

Don’t believe anything thing you read of see!
It’s all BS
Nothing is real it’s all propaganda brainwashing

[Cobullymom]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)
And just keep living like a prisoner, nope I’d rather be dead...sorry but I’ve lived my life pretty much as normal through this entire thing, and I’ve not had Covid even being with people who had it and later found out and not having any vaccines, and won’t....it will not rule my life...

[dkintzer1]

I'm with you.

[thevillages2013]

[QUOTE=LiverpoolWalrus;1918636]In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)[/QUOTE Smells like sarcasm to me

[golfing eagles]

They helped create their base. Standard marketing strategy: a) find a need and fill it. b) if you can't find a need, create one, convince everyone they have it, and then fill it.

That's not news. It's propaganda.

You are correct. Welcome to the MSM!

[J1ceasar]

Very true the point of the statistic is that no matter what you do there is a chance of failure. Do you certainly remember the Russian nuclear plant and in the same year the Pennsylvania nuclear plant both imploding or exploding? And yet experts said it was one in a million chance. That's why we have statistics and yet statistics don't tell the whole story. I am fine at 5% because once most of us get the shots that's 5% because 5% of 5% of 5% of 5%, meaning that was in the next 6 to 12 months the rate of infections will go down to a very small percent of people of which I will probably not meet any that are truly sick or infected. You can stay in your house all you want but that's not living

[Oneiric]

LiverpoolWalrus- As many viruses mutate, new versions may appear on a regular basis. Therefore, will you stay in your house indefinitely?

[Rosebud1949]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

I understand your concern but staying home all the time is too severe. Going out with caution gives some immunity itself. Until all are vaccinated we need to take mask protection in close quarters. Sadly those to mourn the previous administration will never care about anyone but themselves...so those who do care, should try and live as best they can. Dont lock yourself away.

[Foxmd]

Vaccination protects you from Covid serious illness including hospitalizations and death.

[billyb1950]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

I'm not sure whether you are being facetious or not. However, if you are serious, may I opine that you are on sitting on the brink of insanity. Your brain is numb to the touch. You will likely be admitted to a nut house before you ever get the virus. Again, if you are serious, then continue to be afraid, be very afraid. Your First Amendment rights certainly allow you personal, chicken-little group-think and of an illogic mindset. Yes, I defend your right to be illogical and a group-thinker, but my First Amendment rights allow me to say you are half-crazy, in the least.

[villageuser]

My understanding is that the 5% who caught Covid in the trials after vaccination, did not develop serious illness, were not hospitalized and none died. So even then there was a certain amount of protection.

From what i read yesterday in the CDC site was that only J&J has shown 100% protection against death. The other vaccines are at 85 or 86%. Also, the first two vaccines have an efficacy rate of 95% but one needs to remember that those trials were conducted without the variants. If they had been tried with the variants, their efficacy rates would be considerably lower than that number.

[villageuser]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

Though I feel it should have been pointed out the efficacy rate for the first two vaccines are considerably lower if one considers the variants, I am very happy that you posted this. People are going around acting like they’re 100% protected, and they’re not.

I personally feel that a month after one has been fully vaccinated, one should be tested for the amount of antibodies one has. And it would be helpful if we were again tested every 3 or 6 months to verify immunity. Otherwise, how do we know if we are still being protected by the vaccine? Do we need to have another surge to realize the vaccine is no longer effective?

[TomPerry]

OP, if you have not left your home in a year, and will stay home until Covid disappears; then you are already dead, you just don’t know it!

[coffeebean]

Home for over a year? Forget how to live. Faith over fear.

When I first read the OP's comments in post #1, I didn't realize his words were "tongue in cheek". I realize after reading more postings of his in this thread that first post was not only tongue in cheek while making his point but hyperbole. I get it now.

[ckbenjamin]

If you haven't left home in a year then you're already dead. Your coffin is just a lot bigger than most.

[Mrodmh]

Squirrels do not carry rabies :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

That may be the point. Just as likely to occur as all the proposed harms of the op.

[babcab22]

Are you kidding me!

[michaelUK]

Nice one! Your sense of humour is appreciated in times such as these.

[DrBrutyle109]

This is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Please please....you stay home and cower in your house. I didn’t work my whole life to retire and be scared of getting sick. You stay home....more room for me at The Squares and markets and pools and golf courses....so PLEASE you stay home

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

So many people post here - and they throw all kinds of numbers out - if you want to believe them - fine. But, they are not experts. Are they epidemiologists? Are they statisticians? I doubt it - they read an article and regurgitate the numbers like they know what they are talking about. If they were experts - they’d probably place their credentials in the post.

I am in my 70s. I have travelled by plane - many times this past year - to visit friends and family. I have welcomed people in my new home since I have moved here - no masks required (I always wear one in public places that require masks & practice social distancing - I do it to be considerate to those who fear) - but not required in my home.

I choose to live life in good and bad times. I have encountered so many threats over the past 70 years - how have I gotten thru them? I have had help from others, I am there for others and I do not run away and hide.

[tsmall22204]

I think his glass is half empty.

[Skunky1]

Life is too short my friend. Live till you die!

[golfing eagles]

Judging by the responses, Walrus, methinks your sarcasm fell on deaf ears:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[GeriS]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)
You say it's all over the internet, but only what they want you to see. Do you not have any idea how many people have been taken off of all forms of social media because their statements were not nanny state approved? There are hundreds of doctors out there with different opinions than Fraudci & others. This is sad when a Mom in NY gets her 6 yr. old daughter taken away because she did not have on a mask in her car when she dropped her daughter off. A father in Canada gets arrested because he called his trans daughter, his daughter. Do you really want to live in a world that controls every aspect of your life. You need to do some research but you will never find the truth if you believe the main stream media which 90% is controlled by 6 corporations.

[DIver0258]

Numbers have been skewed since day one. Each individual needs to do what they feel proper for their particular situation. Those attempting to impose their will on others needs to stop. Factual information on COVID fails to be reported honestly in the media. Some will chose to not get the vaccine, some refuse to wear masks, it's a conspiracy to control the population.... Our family has been touched by COVID some very mild cases, two hospitalized in ICU (still struggling), and a life long friend was taken from us. Take a deep breath look at your circumstances and live your best life the way you feel appropriate, allow others to do the same.

[mydavid]

Good for you. I will not be doing any of these things and haven’t in the last year. My life will go on until it stops. COVID or bus, you are just as dead. Bus would be quicker, keep up the good thoughts.

[Tmarkwald]

Please don't encourage people to not get vaccinated.

Yes, the vaccine is 95% effective for complete immunity.

Not getting the vaccine means you are 100% at risk of contacting Covid.

PLEASE DON'T ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RISK THEIR HEALTH!!

[DONKEY10]

Good you stay home but don't force your views on everyone else. I'm not living like that.

[Tmarkwald]

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


Ok, now I see why this ridiculousness was posted. I'd become mentally unstable as well if I stayed home and in the host for a month. I've made multiple trips to caribbean islands and the squares since recovering from Covid last year.

I can't let myself whither and die!

[richs631]

in talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

so even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. If you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly and have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably still be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and i’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So i ask: Most of us were very concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

the only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, i have not left my home in a year, and i will stay home until covid disappears whether i get vaccinated or not.


* source: covid-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | live science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

very good idea. Stay home

[WVB#1]

The sad part of this is that with all the MSM fear producing propaganda this last year a post like this was not seen immediately as sideways humor (including by me). There have been many, many posts exactly like this over the last year that were meant sincerely. And we know the numbers have been skewed from day one. Amazing how so many other "normal" illnesses have gone away completely - and no one is dying from them anymore. At least in the last year. It will be interesting to see how all of this isolation and masking will have affected everyone's immune system to other things. I have been respectful of others space but have done nothing to isolate my immune system from normal life and normal germs this last year.

[Bhighley]

My understanding is that the 5% who caught Covid in the trials after vaccination, did not develop serious illness, were not hospitalized and none died. So even then there was a certain amount of protection.

Don't try to talk these people out of staying home for the next few years!

[conmadev]

I sincerely hope you are joking about not leaving your home in over a year and advising others to stay home. In perspective of your facts and figures, I have a much better chance of getting bumped off by a golf cart while taking my walk on the MMP every day due to discourteous, drivers who are unwilling to slow down even a little.

[banjobob]

Great another tee time not taken , thanks

[brakey]

Seriously, how long are you going to stay in the house. It must get lonely hiding under that bed!

We had our Pfizer vaccinations and feel pretty confident that we are protected.

[jbrown132]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

Your living in prison. The Polio vaccine had an efficacy rate of 90%. When you were a kid did you hide in house after receiving the double dose vaccine. Today it’s closer to 99% as the vaccine has been improved and they now give three doses. The measles’s vaccine had an efficacy rate of 96%. Are you still staying home after all these years because there is a 4% chance you could get measles. Very rarely is a vaccine 100% effective. So my advice is get out of your house and start living life because at our age there is not a lot of it left. I cannot tell you how sorryI am for you.

[merrymini]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

I hope they find your body after you die.

[skyking]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

Wow! Stay inside rest your life? Some choose to love life. Some choose to live in fear.

I had no idea LiverpoolWalrus was Fauci's screen name. Triple Mask!

[bobdeb]

1. I would wish to thank you all for this morning's entertainment. It was
Certainly lively and informative, for better or for worse.

2. I didn't get to read every post and skipped over a good number who reposted some long diatribe before adding their own comments. Augh... really?

3. Just keep buying all that Chinese s**t. Can't wait to see what their next curse on humankind might be. Did we forget where all that cr@p came from? Convenient memories.

[clwahlstrom]

Extreme!!! Life is too darn short.. completely disagree. Things may never be back to norm. Enjoy yourself and self in hibernation.

[Rodneysblue]

So is that 5% of the 20%?

[Annarachel]

My opinion for myself I will not allow the CDC to control my life. Life is very short if you want to stay at home do it.I will not live my life in fear. unfortunately we all die at some point so why not live your best life. God bless

[G.R.I.T.S.]

[QUOTE=LiverpoolWalrus;1918636]In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

Flu vaccines can fail if vaccine manufacturers guess wrong on the flu variant for a particular season. Most of the general population do not vaccinate for flu. Thousands die yearly of flu. Yes, we realize the risk but choose to live anyway. I respect your choice. Please respect mine.

[billethkid]

[QUOTE=LiverpoolWalrus;1918636]In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

Flu vaccines can fail if vaccine manufacturers guess wrong on the flu variant for a particular season. Most of the general population do not vaccinate for flu. Thousands die yearly of flu. Yes, we realize the risk but choose to live anyway. I respect your choice. Please respect mine.

Closer to 50-50:

2019-20 Influenza Season Vaccination Coverage Report | FluVaxView | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/reportshtml/reporti1920/reporti/index.html)

[Guitarman1951]

You stay home, that's your choice and I understand, but we are fully vaccinated and plan to try living life a little more normal after staying home over a year. We will still wear masks, distance and sanitize, but I'm done with hibernating like a scared rat. We went out for dinner the other night for the first time in 13 months and it was so nice to be "alive" again.
We won't go to squares or anywhere people are so inconsiderate but we aren't going to worry about a 5% chance. That's much less of a chance of getting colds or the flu or any other airborne virus.

[lpkruege1]

Good for you. If it makes you happy to stay at home, do it. But are you happy? Is this really how you want to spend the rest of your life? Why do feel others need to do the same as you? I've been told I'm being selfish. Demanding I stay so others feel good is just as selfish. This is still America and we do have free choice. I hope you stay safe and you're happy with your decision. God knows where we are, and come to claim us at any time he chooses. I hope I'm out enjoying life when he does.

[camaguey48]

Good for you. If it makes you happy to stay at home, do it. But are you happy? Is this really how you want to spend the rest of your life? Why do feel others need to do the same as you? I've been told I'm being selfish. Demanding I stay so others feel good is just as selfish. This is still America and we do have free choice. I hope you stay safe and you're happy with your decision. God knows where we are, and come to claim us at any time he chooses. I hope I'm out enjoying life when he does.
Perfect response.

[DanBrew]

Watch out for falling space junk. Asteroids are in the forecast.

[Tomptomp]

I know the answer. Let’s all get a plastic bubbles and just live inside them.

[Jsan143]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)
Don’t know about you but I take a 95% chance of winning lottery ticket and buy 1000 of them with only a 5% chance of losing! Can’t believe they shut this country down for political gain.

[Freehiker]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

Cool. I have not stayed home during any of this and have no intention to do so. I wear a mask and use common sense.

I will not live my life in fear.

[nhtexasrn]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

You're joking right? I mean about staying home, wearing 2 masks, etc.? I'm vaccinated and am living my life as always. You must also consider mental health and it certainly is not healthy to isolate yourself from the world. Do what ever you want to do, but in my opinion, you shouldn't be encouraging others to be so negative and paranoid. Everyone must make their own decisions about how they handle this.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

[/QUOTE Smells like sarcasm to me

I’m glad someone gets it, Villages2013! I wonder how many also believe gullible is not in the dictionary!

This thread in and of itself has been an interesting social experiment which may or may not shed some light on how we react to what we hear in the real world.

[loumazzio1]

Don't know anyone who is staying home.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

LiverpoolWalrus- As many viruses mutate, new versions may appear on a regular basis. Therefore, will you stay in your house indefinitely?

Yes, forever. I have a lifetime supply of sanitizer to spray down my delivered goods after I quarantine them for a week. I don’t mind if the produce gets a little smelly.

[turk3531]

First off, "Are you kidding me?" I would be very interested in knowing how old you are, because, the flu, even with flu shots, hasn't gone away, and, people still go about their daily lives! This is just another , though stronger, form of the flu. So, with your line of thought, we should never leave our houses, for the rest of our lives! The best prevention is a strong immune system. And how do you get that? Get outside, in the sun and fresh air! Natural vitamin D, exercise, and, eat healthy.

[Waltdisney4life]

Sell that fear !!!

[dms4rn]

You should stay home forever. The boogie man will have a different name as soon as the government finds they are losing control over the populist. It has been shown multiple times that the numbers were inflated, tests are faulty, masks do not protect against covid, the vaccine is a money maker for the elite who created this hysteria, you are being injected with unknown ingredients with unknown long term side effects for a disease you have to get a faulty test to find out if you even have. Yea the real world isn’t for the fearful. Stay home

[Lisanp@aol.com]

From what i read yesterday in the CDC site was that only J&J has shown 100% protection against death. The other vaccines are at 85 or 86%. Also, the first two vaccines have an efficacy rate of 95% but one needs to remember that those trials were conducted without the variants. If they had been tried with the variants, their efficacy rates would be considerably lower than that number.

All of the trials were 100% effective in preventing death. The vaccine’s promise is that it will prevent serious illness, hospitalization and death - not that it will prevent you from catching COVID. Aside from the variants not being included in the trials as mentioned above, no one has yet mentioned the most important factor you all appear to be ignorant of - the trials were done while MASKED AND SOCIALLY DISTANCED. The reason the vaccines have the high efficacy rates that they do is because THE TRIALS WERE DONE MASKED AND SOCIALLY DISTANCED. I’m fully vaccinated, I’m going to fly for the first time in over a year next week, I see friends in a small groups, I go out of my house, but I remain MASKED AND SOCIALLY DISTANCED because if you don’t the virus will just go and find a host and keep us all in this nightmare for even longer.

Vaccination status is not a pass to take off your mask and go and party in the square. Go to the squares if you so please, but know you are still at risk of catching COVID at the exact same rate that you have been for over a year. What you hopefully will not experience is serious illness, hospitalization or death. Oh, and when you go to the square WEAR A MASK AND REMAIN SOCIALLY DISTANCED because that is why the trial efficacy rate is as high as it is. Maybe y’all should actually read that paperwork you were handed when you received your vaccines because THE TRIALS WERE DONE ON INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE MASKED AND SOCIALLY DISTANCED. The vaccination status is only part of the story.

[Mrprez]

When I first read the OP's comments in post #1, I didn't realize his words were "tongue in cheek". I realize after reading more postings of his in this thread that first post was not only tongue in cheek while making his point but hyperbole. I get it now.

Same here, my sarcasm detector is in the shop.😂

[OhioBuckeye]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

So if it doesn’t work at all, what are you out, it’s FREE. The president & V.P. got the shot. I’ve gotten both shots & I haven’t had any side effects from. The Covid shots aren’t mandatory, if you want it get it, if the # 1 & 2 people in the U.S. gets it, it must be safe. If only 5% isn’t completely safe that means 90% are. I would rather take a chance & be in the 90% category & not be 0% safe. Just my opinion, get it!

[Sarahhayden]

We have not stayed home for a year. We have flown all over the country. We eat out several times a week. We've gone on a few vacations. We wear masks only when requested, and never outside. Basically, We are living our lives and having a wonderful time! With the new 5% chance risk of infection - we will enjoy even more now!

[DonnaNi4os]

You are statistically correct. But continuing to stay isolated after vaccination doesn’t make sense for me. Perhaps it does for some and that is ok. We all need to stop being judge-mental but we need to be conscious of the risks to some of the population at highest risk. I continue to wear a mask in public, continue to wash my hands and use sanitizer. But I’m ready to get back to living, not ready to hang out in unmasked crowds that gather at the squares though. We must all do what is right for ourselves while keeping the welfare of our fellow man in mind because it’s the right thing to do. Stay safe everyone.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Watch out for falling space junk. Asteroids are in the forecast.

Careful Dan, most are going to believe this. It’s not just TOTV, I’ve noticed the gullibility quotient is through the roof on all social mania. Interesting commentary about human nature and how easy it is to...well you fill in the blank.

[kanoa1kale2]

[QUOTE=LiverpoolWalrus;1918636]In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)[/QUOTE

Seriously Dude,

There is no 100% guarantee of ANYTHING in life! Just stop with the doomsday crap and get on with your life - or not - as you see fit. TOV - how about just stop allowing postings like this and place it under you political ban.

[Sarahhayden]

I wondered about that too!

[Hiltongrizz11]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html)

It's sad that you choose to live in fear and trust the data over this politicized event. Sure it's dangerous to a minority of the population; many things are.

The real heart of the matter is that we are responsible for defining what safe is for ourselves and weigh perceived and known risks.

I respect your decision to hide and cower until the trustworthy politicians tell you it's all clear. Please respect the decision of others to live, take risks and work to keep the country open so that you have something to come back to...if the politicians really want this to go away.

[stebooo]

Doesn't sound like the life your trying to save by staying home for a year is going to get any better given you logic. Good luck.

[Dilligas]

Careful Dan, most are going to believe this. It’s not just TOTV, I’ve noticed the gullibility quotient is through the roof on all social mania. Interesting commentary about human nature and how easy it is to...well you fill in the blank.
The old adage ...... “...if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull$hit...” is definitely in affect here.

[EnglishJW]

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.

This is some harsh reality for all of you who are planning to stay indoors, wear masks, socially distance and avoid contract with other humans until this pandemic ends. We are battling a coronavirus. It was first discovered in animals in 1931 (90 years ago). The first confirmed coronavirus case with a human was reported in 1965 (56 years ago). It is only the covid-19 variant that was found in humans in 2019 and that has already mutated into different variants (which may or may not be treated with the current vaccines). If you are serious about staying the course until the coronavirus is eradicated, you aren't likely to ever resume any form of a "normal" life. As an additional piece of information, the coronavirus does not kill everyone who gets it. In the United States, 1.8% of those reported as having covid-19 die. Many of those have additional issues.

[gdennis317]

This virus is not going away for a long time, if ever.

If you want to be a hermit for the rest of your life, go for it.

[yanksansky]

You stay home. Not us.

[skyking]

Sadly, a significant minority of Villagers actually think this way.