[LiverpoolWalrus]

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science

[Velvet]

My understanding is that the 5% who caught Covid in the trials after vaccination, did not develop serious illness, were not hospitalized and none died. So even then there was a certain amount of protection.

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm guessing 75 posts on this thread..........................

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I'm guessing 75 posts on this thread..........................

And 15 of them will be from the same person..

[jebartle]

Sooooo, 5% chance you get sick, 95% chance "life is good", no brainer for me!

[Kenswing]

Five percent of the people exposed will get it. So what are the chances of being exposed? Then take 5% of that. I feel good about my chances.

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I'm guessing 75 posts on this thread..........................

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and ALL= bonified experts. In their own minds.
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[cypress]

You can stay home forever then. Who going to care?

[Mrprez]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will fail 5% of the time.

So unfortunately 5% of vaccinated people who are exposed and infected are likely to have symptoms of the disease. If the vaccine fails completely in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% have the same risk as the unvaccinated and could conceivably face serious illness. Not to be alarmist, but statistically, that is what the missing 5% means.

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid and some may get quite sick.

The good news is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of getting sick and I’m not sure they understand this. Before they had a 20% chance. Now they have a 5% chance.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance?

Again, not to be alarmist, but a 5% chance of serious illness is not that much less than 20%.

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.

Good for you. I will not be doing any of these things and haven’t in the last year. My life will go on until it stops. COVID or bus, you are just as dead.

[CWGUY]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I'm guessing 75 posts on this thread..........................

I'll take the "over" on that bet.

[Aloha1]

Please save us from the Nanny State.

[Aloha1]

And also those who get all their news from the internet.

[valuemkt]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will fail 5% of the time.

So unfortunately 5% of vaccinated people who are exposed and infected are likely to have symptoms of the disease. If the vaccine fails completely in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% have the same risk as the unvaccinated and could conceivably face serious illness. Not to be alarmist, but statistically, that is what the missing 5% means.

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid and some may get quite sick.

The good news is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of getting sick and I’m not sure they understand this. Before they had a 20% chance. Now they have a 5% chance.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance?

Again, not to be alarmist, but a 5% chance of serious illness is not that much less than 20%.

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.

Too bad for you, but you will probably die at home .. lack of Vitamin D form the sun, depression, fear, loneliness .. maybe you'll trip and fall coming out of the shower and no one would dare enter your house from the smell of the house being sealed up .. What a pathetic way to spend your retirement years .. The good news is, you have freedom of choice . much like the many people in The Villages have freedom of choice to live life to the fullest and enjoy their senior years.. Sorry to hear about your loss.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It might help to do the math on this. I won't, because a) it's too much math for me and b) I'm not concerned enough to try. But here's what you need to figure out:

1. Of all the people who DO get COVID, how many actually display symptoms?
2. Of all the people who get COVID and display symptoms, how many of them display serious symptoms requiring hospitalization and/or a morgue?

Now - Of all people who get COVID, display symptoms, and need hospitalization and/or a morgue, how many of them were vaccinated?

My guess is that of that 5% of all vaccinated people who get COVID anyway, less than 1% will have serious symptoms requiring hospitalization and/or a morgue.

Now - of ALL people who have gotten a vaccine, how many people, the actual quantity, is represented by the 1% of the 5%?

NOW - figure out if that 1% of the 5% is statistically significant. I'm guessing it won't be.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by valuemkt

Too bad for you, but you will probably die at home .. lack of Vitamin D form the sun, depression, fear, loneliness .. maybe you'll trip and fall coming out of the shower and no one would dare enter your house from the smell of the house being sealed up .. What a pathetic way to spend your retirement years .. The good news is, you have freedom of choice . much like the many people in The Villages have freedom of choice to live life to the fullest and enjoy their senior years.. Sorry to hear about your loss.

Did you know gullible is not in the dictionary? (And thank you for your concern.)