CDC director "our data from the CDC -- vaccinated people do not carry the virus"

[jimjamuser]

All bow to the great blue ash— knower of all medical knowledge on earth. Beat that horse!!
Blue ash is a national treasure that we are lucky to have in TV Land. And that is a fact!

[jimjamuser]

If the grandparents were fully immune after vaccination, then it was NOT the grandparents that spread Covid. Fully vaccinated people have been found NOT to spread the virus because viral load is too low.
That is still being researched, A study in Israel came to that conclusion, but experts in the US are STILL studying it.

[blueash]

Blue ash is a national treasure that we are lucky to have in TV Land. And that is a fact!

I've been thinking about what I want on my gravestone. Hadn't considered "national treasure" before, hmm.

[jimjamuser]

I agree, you SHOULD still have antibodies. But remember, last Spring the "party line" was "we don't know how long the antibodies will last..."

I also had Civid last year. It was very early March...

Didn't even know I had it. I had a low grade fever (99.6°-99.7°) for 36 hours, along with some body aches and chills. No significant cough.

Turns out (thru back tracking), I caught it from a patient, who subsequently died when he refused to go to the ER as I instructed him to do...

I wanted a covid test, but at the time (early March, 2020) I didn't qualify for one...

When the antibody test became available (a few months later), I had blood drawn and low and behold, I was positive for the antibodies.

I had a repeat test in September, then again in November, while doing blood work for another issue (they were still going with "We don't know how long the antibodies will last"). I was positive both times...

I was going to wait on getting the vaccine (so not to take it from someone who really needed it), but after consulting with MY Dr, and doing the research, we decided I should get it, since I was a health care worker (and under 65). First shot (Moderna), was right after the New Year and the 2nd one, 4 weeks later...

My wife was finally able to register (she's not yet 65, either) and is getting the J&J tomorrow... Our main residence is in MD, and the distribution here has been god-awful!

Oh, and she caught Covid from me, back in March of last year and her last antibody test was in December (still positive)...

I wear a mask all day in the office, when requested to by stores, or when in a big crowd. I always have one in my pocket...

Is it a PITA? Yup! Is it the end of the world? Nope! Do I think some of it is overkill? Most certainly...
Thanks for this post and for your work.

[jimjamuser]

My response was to another poster and the post I responded to had nothing to do with masking. I was responding that it will not panic me if I'm one of the unlucky ones to contract Covid because the vaccine offers me protection from severe disease. There was no mention of masks between me and the other poster I responded to.

As an aside......I'm still masking all the time indoors and always keep my distance from others. That is not going to last forever for me though.
Agreed.

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
Blue ash is a national treasure that we are lucky to have in TV Land. And that is a fact!

I've been thinking about what I want on my gravestone. Hadn't considered "national treasure" before, hmm.
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don't mean to be insensitive, but what if Blueash gets cremated?

“Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust”
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[Viperguy]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html

Government power grab. That's why. Stay at home and we will send you money

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

As of today, 19 kids of Lake County were admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 this week (and it's only Tuesday). That's out of 97 who were admitted to the ER. There are 15 kids who were admitted to the hospital out of 115 who went to the ER, in Marion County.

And that's just two counties of one state, in a 2-day period.

According to the COVID-19 dashboard for the state of Florida:

Pediatrics:
Cases: 240,618
Admitted to an ER: 8,461 
In-patient admissions to a hospital: 1,561
Pediatric Deaths: 11

That's just Florida, and only since March 1.

What source do you have that claims "no" kids under 12 have gotten sick from COVID-19?

[Bill14564]

As of today, 19 kids of Lake County were admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 this week (and it's only Tuesday). That's out of 97 who were admitted to the ER. There are 15 kids who were admitted to the hospital out of 115 who went to the ER, in Marion County.

And that's just two counties of one state, in a 2-day period.

According to the COVID-19 dashboard for the state of Florida:

Pediatrics:
Cases: 240,618
Admitted to an ER: 8,461 
In-patient admissions to a hospital: 1,561
Pediatric Deaths: 11

That's just Florida, and only since March 1.

What source do you have that claims "no" kids under 12 have gotten sick from COVID-19?

Where did you get that data? It doesn't appear to match with this FL DoH data (http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/pediatric-reports/pediatric_report_latest.pdf).

This data shows 237,927 cases in children under 18 which is close to the number above. However it shows 11 deaths in that group since the beginning of Covid, not just since March 1.

The ER numbers above must represent the number of children taken to the ER to see a doctor but not hospitalized since the hospitalization number is far lower. And again, the hospitalization number appears to be since the beginning of Covid and not just since March 1.

EDIT: It is possible that the cumulative report for a period prior to March showed zero deaths which would make the data above correct.

[jswirs]

Funny, but Google doesn't either. No hits on a search using "covid positivity rate immigrants brazil variant" The director of FEMA did testify before Congress that the overall positivity rate of southern border immigrants is LOWER than the rate for Texans being tested.
2 weeks ago

The administration admits that testing is a problem and their system is being stressed. But nowhere did I found 10% or any evidence of what you are suggesting. The Federal govt has asked for assistance in testing from the established testing facilities in the states and local communities and offered to full pay the cost for the testing. Some politicians have refused to allow any cooperation.

Do you have any reliable source for your statement? There is a long and very ugly history (https://www.google.com/search?q=history+of+blaming+immigrants+for+disease&biw=1600&bih=757&ei=qRJnYJmkFKWqwbkPleamuAU&oq=history+of+blaming+immigrants+for+disease&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BQgAEJECOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARC jAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgIIADoECAAQQzoFC AAQsQM6BQguELEDOgcIABCxAxAKOgQIABAKOgIILjoFCAAQyQM 6BggAEBYQHjoICAAQFhAKEB46BggAEA0QHjoICAAQCBANEB46B QgAEIYDOggIIRAWEB0QHjoECCEQClD19BVYmt4WYIzgFmgEcAJ 4AIABqwGIAasekgEENDEuNZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjZnIGkzN_vAhUlVTABHRWzCVc4ChDh1QMIDQ&uact=5) of nativists to blame disease on immigrants.

So you believe what the administration is saying regarding immigrants with or without Covid? Of course they are going to downplay any problem such as that. If you believe in our government telling only the truth, you have so very much to learn.

[Tmarkwald]

The fact is that the vaccines are experimental and we are lab rats to an extent due to the limited testing done and the lack of FDA approval for the vaccines.

Know your science

the mRNA technology has been studied for many years and used to make vaccines against influenza, Ebola and Zika virus.

source: How long will coronavirus vaccines protect people? (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-long-will-coronavirus-vaccines-protect-people/ar-BB1ficm1?ocid=msedgntp)

[Tmarkwald]

"I would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that we only get once."

That would make the vaccine more akin to vaccines against measles than flu vaccines. Vaccination against measles protects against infection for life in 96% of people.

How long will coronavirus vaccines protect people? (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-long-will-coronavirus-vaccines-protect-people/ar-BB1ficm1?ocid=msedgntp)

[Sabella]

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.
The experts can’t answer most questions regarding the virus or the vaccines. They still don’t know much. A lot of guessing going on regarding everyone’s health and the safety of the vaccines will not be known for sure until years go by.

[Tmarkwald]

the safety of the vaccines will not be known for sure until years go by.

the mRNA technology has been studied for many years and used to make vaccines against influenza, Ebola and Zika virus.

[Sabella]

the mRNA technology has been studied for many years and used to make vaccines against influenza, Ebola and Zika virus.

I question where you get your information from because I could be wrong but I believe mRNA has been studied for years but never used until now .

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Where did you get that data? It doesn't appear to match with this FL DoH data (http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/pediatric-reports/pediatric_report_latest.pdf).

This data shows 237,927 cases in children under 18 which is close to the number above. However it shows 11 deaths in that group since the beginning of Covid, not just since March 1.

The ER numbers above must represent the number of children taken to the ER to see a doctor but not hospitalized since the hospitalization number is far lower. And again, the hospitalization number appears to be since the beginning of Covid and not just since March 1.

EDIT: It is possible that the cumulative report for a period prior to March showed zero deaths which would make the data above correct.

Oh you're right, it's total tests to date in Florida. And I got it from the Florida Community Dashboard, which is considered more comprehensive and more accurate than the one published by the Department of Health, which is heavily filtered.

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/d2726d6c01c4486181fec2d4373b01fa)

If you scroll down and click on any of the counties (exactly like you'd do for the DoH dashboard) you can see that in Hillsborough County, as of *this week* (specifically) there were 475 new pediatric cases reported. Of those, 465 were admitted to the emergency room (which doesn't mean it's an actual emergency but many people don't have "regular" doctors and use the ER instead). Of those 465 ER cases, 73 were admitted into the hospital. Two children are dead, as of this week.

[Bill14564]

Oh you're right, it's total tests to date in Florida. And I got it from the Florida Community Dashboard, which is considered more comprehensive and more accurate than the one published by the Department of Health, which is heavily filtered.

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/d2726d6c01c4486181fec2d4373b01fa)

If you scroll down and click on any of the counties (exactly like you'd do for the DoH dashboard) you can see that in Hillsborough County, as of *this week* (specifically) there were 475 new pediatric cases reported. Of those, 465 were admitted to the emergency room (which doesn't mean it's an actual emergency but many people don't have "regular" doctors and use the ER instead). Of those 465 ER cases, 73 were admitted into the hospital. Two children are dead, as of this week.

Thank you for that link. I remember seeing that page in the past but I had lost it.

I still cannot find the 475 number or the "this week" data and I also question the labels on the data.

Two examples:
1. At the top of the page the data is labeled "since March 1. For the entire State the page shows "Total deaths since March 1: 34,364." The JHU page shows 33,710 death in Florida since the beginning of Covid. So is the Experience page showing me deaths since March 1, 2020 or is it simply mislabeled? In any case, the value covers much more than the last five weeks.

2. When I select Hillsborough County in the dropdown at the top of the page, the values under Pediatrics update and I see your 465, 73, and 2. If I take those two pediatric deaths as two children dead as of this week then I should also be able to look in the Long-term car facilities (LTCF) and take those 557 deaths as being over the same time frame or 557 LTCF deaths so far this week. But that makes 559 deaths in Hillsborough County alone in only three days when the entire State is going to report fewer deaths than that for a seven-day period. My guess is the Pediatrics: block represents data since the beginning of Covid (or possibly 3/1/20) and not just this past week.

[Tmarkwald]

I question where you get your information from because I could be wrong but I believe mRNA has been studied for years but never used until now .

Source: How long will coronavirus vaccines protect people? (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-long-will-coronavirus-vaccines-protect-people/ar-BB1ficm1?ocid=msedgntp)

[Tmarkwald]

The beauty of the J&J vaccine is that it is inexpensive compared to Pfizer and Moderna - it needs only NORMAL refrigeration - making it best for areas in the US like some of the less densely populated Native American Tribal areas and remote 3rd world areas.

Cost is zero... All the vaccines are free. Previous administration ensured that on December 7th. So, affordability is a total non-issue.

[Byte1]

Another wrong statement by you. You did make that up. Why don't you link to sources when you write? Because then it would be so much easier for people to fact check your false statements, or the occasional true one.

Here is what the CDC on its website (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html)says about vaccinated people being able to pass it on.


Is that clear enough for you? It does not say that people cannot spread Covid. It says the data is not yet available to make a determination. That's how science works. You collect data before you announce a conclusion. Then you continue to monitor the situation as new data may alter the conclusion. It may even change the advise 180 degrees. But as of April 2, yesterday, the CDC has made absolutely no statement that vaccinated persons cannot spread Covid.

Sorry, what I should have said that a spokesperson for CDC said that once your are vaccinated, you won't pass it on to another.
Sen Paul is a MD and he said you can't transmit the virus to someone else once you are vaccinated.
Believe what you wish, but I believe REAL doctors before I believe political hacks and gov paid scientists. That's my opinion and I will live by it.

[coffeebean]

Cost is zero... All the vaccines are free. Previous administration ensured that on December 7th. So, affordability is a total non-issue.

Cost is zero to the recipient but someone is paying for these vaccines. I believe our government is paying for these vaccines which in turn means that we tax payers are paying for the vaccines. Every single cent is very well spent!

[Tmarkwald]

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated.

Read the chart. WAY more than 15% are vaccinated.... this is why ALL adult Americans CAN be vaccinated by April 19th. If you choose not to be vaccinated, by May 1st, nobody is going to wear a mask to protect you. And they shouldn't...

[Tmarkwald]

Sorry, what I should have said that a spokesperson for CDC said that once your are vaccinated, you won't pass it on to another.

Sen Paul is a MD and he said you can't transmit the virus to someone else once you are vaccinated.


Agreed, if you can't get it, you can't spread it..

And, with these vaccinated numbers, the spread should thin to nil very soon.

[jimjamuser]

Cost is zero... All the vaccines are free. Previous administration ensured that on December 7th. So, affordability is a total non-issue.
I BEG your pardon! That can NOT be taken seriously. Only air and sunlight are REALLY free. You even have to pay for water delivered to your home. The US government is supplying vaccines free of charge to US citizens or others in the US. It comes out of your taxes. And Publix, CVS. Walmart and others are getting PAID to DISTRIBUTE the vaccines by the Federal Government. Do you imagine that the Medical Scientists that developed these vaccines worked for FREE? No way! Was the electricity to cool the 2 shots for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines supplied for FREE? No way! I stated that an advantage of the J&J vaccine was its lower cost compared to other vaccines. That is a fact! I stand by my statement. The J&J shot is one shot and less refrigeration. It has many advantages, as I stated. Thinking that the vaccines are FREE is just WRONG. They were not delivered to the US by storks, like babies. They did NOT just blow in on the air like pollen from trees. There was not a DIVINE INTERVENTION that created vaccines from water. Why do I bother to type stuff like this?

[jimjamuser]

Cost is zero to the recipient but someone is paying for these vaccines. I believe our government is paying for these vaccines which in turn means that we tax payers are paying for the vaccines. Every single cent is very well spent!
Absolutely agree. WE should all be able to agree on that simple economic principle.

[jimjamuser]

Agreed, if you can't get it, you can't spread it..

And, with these vaccinated numbers, the spread should thin to nil very soon.
Many hospitals in Michigan are overcrowded with a NEW surge of CV cases. The explanation is because of the new UK variant and a relaxed attitude toward the risks of CV. The idea of a soon-to-be "NIL" risk of CV is a fantasy. Of course, everybody likes a good fantasy - but reality - not so much.

[Tmarkwald]

I BEG your pardon! That can NOT be taken seriously. Only air and sunlight are REALLY free. You even have to pay for water delivered to your home. The US government is supplying vaccines free of charge to US citizens or others in the US. It comes out of your taxes. And Publix, CVS. Walmart and others are getting PAID to DISTRIBUTE the vaccines by the Federal Government. Do you imagine that the Medical Scientists that developed these vaccines worked for FREE? No way! Was the electricity to cool the 2 shots for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines supplied for FREE? No way! I stated that an advantage of the J&J vaccine was its lower cost compared to other vaccines. That is a fact! I stand by my statement. The J&J shot is one shot and less refrigeration. It has many advantages, as I stated. Thinking that the vaccines are FREE is just WRONG. They were not delivered to the US by storks, like babies. They did NOT just blow in on the air like pollen from trees. There was not a DIVINE INTERVENTION that created vaccines from water. Why do I bother to type stuff like this?

You obviously took this entirely out of context and did not bother to read the original post.

Of course we, the taxpayer, is paying for the vaccine. To say that was a ridiculous comment is to give it too much weight.

However, to say that the poor and/or underpriviledged cannot afford to pay for the vaccination is not correct. THERE IS NO COST TO GET THE VACCINE.

Yeah, WHY do you even post stuff like that? Only you can answer that.....

PLEASE READ THE ORIGINAL COMMENT BEFORE BLASTING OUT NONSENSE!

[jimjamuser]

You obviously took this entirely out of context and did not bother to read the original post.

Of course we, the taxpayer, is paying for the vaccine. To say that was a ridiculous comment is to give it too much weight.

However, to say that the poor and/or underpriviledged cannot afford to pay for the vaccination is not correct. THERE IS NO COST TO GET THE VACCINE.

Yeah, WHY do you even post stuff like that? Only you can answer that.....

PLEASE READ THE ORIGINAL COMMENT BEFORE BLASTING OUT NONSENSE!
The post that I replied to DEFINITELY said, "Cost is Zero.......All vaccines are FREE". That is verbatim - which means word-for-word. That post did NOT say cost is zero to people in the US. As I replied cost is NEVER ZERO except for maybe air and sunlight. I NEVER came close to saying that poor people can not afford to pay for the vaccine. I said nothing about poor people in the US. That came out of someone's left field. I did say that the J&J vaccine would be better for 3rd world countries because it is less expensive, needs less refrigeration, and is just one shot. Like the US, other countries also must pay for the COST of the vaccine. Maybe in Africa, some counties' taxpayers pay for their shots and in other countries, each individual pays for their shot. I don't know. The important thing that I said was that the J&J vaccine had some advantages over other vaccines. I did NOT say anything that was even close to being controversial. Possibly I was misinterpreted!

[DeanFL]

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CDC Director SPEAKS again>>>

The CDC director has designated racism as a 'serious public health threat' facing Americans

The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has designated racism as a "serious public health threat" facing Americans.

Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the agency's director, noted in a Thursday statement that the coronavirus pandemic had affected communities of color "more severely" in terms of cases, deaths, and social effects, adding that this inequality was not caused by the virus.

"Instead, the pandemic illuminated inequities that have existed for generations and revealed for all of America a known, but often unaddressed, epidemic impacting public health: racism," she said.


The CDC director has designated racism as a 'serious public health threat' facing Americans (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-designated-racism-serious-093806252.html)

[tvbound]

I completely agree with the CDC Director. The data is there, as well as I predict a lot of following posts, that will prove her statement correct.

[Tmarkwald]

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CDC Director SPEAKS again>>>

Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the agency's director, noted in a Thursday statement that the coronavirus pandemic had affected communities of color "more severely" in terms of cases, deaths, and social effects

I'm on my phone, so not going to grab some references. But, easy to search for.

The vaccine is not getting to some because they refuse and don't trust it.

There are a lot of complaints that people of color refused to even participate in the trials.

Don't blame the world for this. You can lead a horse to water...etc....

People like to milk the racist rant as much as possible. Kinda sick of it.

There was a conscious decision made to NOT participate in the Vaccine trials, then to NOT get vaccinated.