CDC director "our data from the CDC -- vaccinated people do not carry the virus"

[DeanFL]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html

[JoMar]

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated. That leaves 85% (I'm a math wizard) of us are vulnerable and can spread the virus. Trying to protect that 85% until they are fully protected requires masks, social distancing, hand washing etc. Until that happens travel restrictions, masks on airplanes and trains and in unknown groups need to be continued. Your question is apples and oranges.

[stephen.q.pankow]

Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

[Neils]

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

[DeanFL]

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated. That leaves 85% (I'm a math wizard) of us are vulnerable and can spread the virus. Trying to protect that 85% until they are fully protected requires masks, social distancing, hand washing etc. Until that happens travel restrictions, masks on airplanes and trains and in unknown groups need to be continued. Your question is apples and oranges.
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nope - the question is - if one is fully vaccinated (as we are) and two weeks after SCIENCE shows what SHE said...

Why are WE (such as I believe that almost 50% of TVrs vaccinated now) told to wear masks, avoid travel, 6' distance and all the other stuff? Oh - perhaps to show "our patriotism" as someone says all the time... And BTW - if this data was really widely made public - THAT would truly be an incentive for those holding out...

apples<>apples.
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[Boomer]

According to stats I have heard recently, the boomers and beyond have a high percentage getting vaccinated. And — hospitalizations are way down in this age group.

But — there is a rise in hospitalizations among people in their 30s and 40s.

Some of the younger age group simply have not had the chance to get the vaccination yet.

Some still think they are invincible.

And, of course, there must be a small percentage with a legit reason not to vax up.

But many others are the “muh freedoms” bunch with probably also a correlation to how much influence their constant, poison, Facebook feeds have in their lives.

When we are out and about, we can cross paths with a lot of 30 and 40-somethings so I will continue to wear a mask in public places.

This is a learning curve. I cannot figure out how some people can’t use their own brains to think this thing through and see that we are experiencing a learning curve, so we need to pay very close attention to the science and do the best we can — which is what Fauci & Co. are doing. But noooooo, some gotta go ‘round always loaded for bear.

We can get there — unless Pogo is proved to be right in this one, too.

We were recently invited to a little party later in the month — of only vaccinated guests — and that’s just fine with me — we won’t be wearing masks.

Boomer

[Altavia]

Seems prudent to maintain risk reductions methods until there is proof we have reached and sustained a low rate of new infections.

People not doing so will make this take longer.

[Tmarkwald]

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated. That leaves 85% (I'm a math wizard) of us are vulnerable and can spread the virus. Trying to protect that 85% until they are fully protected requires masks, social distancing, hand washing etc. Until that happens travel restrictions, masks on airplanes and trains and in unknown groups need to be continued. Your question is apples and oranges.

The real problem is 35% of the population are anti-vaxxers, and they are ruining it for everyone else, especially as some vaccines are being throw out because of lack of interest (not here though).

I really think that Darwin will weed out those that refuse the vaccine and we'll be left with those that survived.

[Bill14564]

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nope - the question is - if one is fully vaccinated (as we are) and two weeks after SCIENCE shows what SHE said...

Why are WE (such as I believe that almost 50% of TVrs vaccinated now) told to wear masks, avoid travel, 6' distance and all the other stuff? Oh - perhaps to show "our patriotism" as someone says all the time... And BTW - if this data was really widely made public - THAT would truly be an incentive for those holding out...

apples<>apples.
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If I read the article correctly, the data suggests that 90% of the vaccinated people do not carry the virus. So if 50% of the people are vaccinated then 45% of the people (90% of 50%) probably do not carry the virus.

There is a 10% chance that you, as a vaccinated person, can still infect someone - wear a mask.

Over 50% of those around you are not vaccinated - wear a mask.

Without a large "V" tattooed on your head there is no way to know who is vaccinated and who is not. In order to avoid vaccine-shaming those who have been unable to get a vaccine and to improve mask compliance - wear a mask.

New infections and hospitalizations are still high (and 1,000 deaths per day is not small) - there is still a pandemic to deal with - wear a mask

Ask again when hospitalizations and deaths are near zero and when 90% of the population has had the vaccine.

[Tmarkwald]

There is a 10% chance that you, as a vaccinated person, can still infect someone.

Did you see or read the CDC Director and the science behind it? If someone wants protection at this point, stay home.

Florida 50+ are eligible for vaccination, so no more excuses for anyone.

Dominoes delivers....

[Bill14564]

Did you see or read the CDC Director and the science behind it? If someone wants protection at this point, stay home.

Florida 50+ are eligible for vaccination, so no more excuses for anyone.

Dominoes delivers....

Yes, I did see that, did you read it?

Great for the 50+ who have been able to get an appointment but what about those who have not? Too bad for them? Even here in the Villages I see people who must be under 50, do we just throw them off the raft too?

[charmed59]

Yes, I did see that, did you read it?

Great for the 50+ who have been able to get an appointment but what about those who have not? Too bad for them? Even here in the Villages I see people who must be under 50, do we just throw them off the raft too?

Actually, it’s 40 and over, going to 16 and over April 7th. Two weeks ago it was incredibly easy to get a vaccine. Signup at saferestart, signup at myvaccine.fl.gov, call your doctor, login to Publix at 7am Mon, wed, fri. Scan availability at Winn Dixie, Walmart, Sam’s Club, CVS, Walgreens. Lots of options.

[coffeebean]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html

All the more reason that everyone should do their part to stamp out this virus. No excuses from those who have no medical reason to refuse the vaccine. Get yourself vaccinated for crying out loud. Do it for the good of your fellow citizens; do it for your country; do it for your loved ones. Oh....... and do it so you won't possibly get sick and die from this virus.

[coffeebean]

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated. That leaves 85% (I'm a math wizard) of us are vulnerable and can spread the virus. Trying to protect that 85% until they are fully protected requires masks, social distancing, hand washing etc. Until that happens travel restrictions, masks on airplanes and trains and in unknown groups need to be continued. Your question is apples and oranges.

Some people just want to berate Dr. Fauci every chance they get. Thank you for his explanation which, seriously, everyone should have already known if they would just put on their thinking cap. This is not rocket science, folks.

[DeanFL]

Some people just want to berate Dr. Fauci every chance they get. Thank you for his explanation which, seriously, everyone should have already known if they would just put on their thinking cap. This is not rocket science, folks.
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IF you read my initial post - I did not berate Fauci - simply that WHAT HE IS SAYING is NOT in keeping with the CDC findings as I posted. period. Facts, not emotions. And no, not rocket science.
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[golfing eagles]

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated. That leaves 85% (I'm a math wizard) of us are vulnerable and can spread the virus. Trying to protect that 85% until they are fully protected requires masks, social distancing, hand washing etc. Until that happens travel restrictions, masks on airplanes and trains and in unknown groups need to be continued. Your question is apples and oranges.

100% correct and I agree wholeheartedly

[golfing eagles]

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nope - the question is - if one is fully vaccinated (as we are) and two weeks after SCIENCE shows what SHE said...

Why are WE (such as I believe that almost 50% of TVrs vaccinated now) told to wear masks, avoid travel, 6' distance and all the other stuff? Oh - perhaps to show "our patriotism" as someone says all the time... And BTW - if this data was really widely made public - THAT would truly be an incentive for those holding out...

apples<>apples.
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Maybe so that you are not attacked by a violent mob of ignorant citizens who don't know you've been vaccinated

[coffeebean]

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IF you read my initial post - I did not berate Fauci - simply that WHAT HE IS SAYING is NOT in keeping with the CDC findings as I posted. period. Facts, not emotions. And no, not rocket science.
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I did read your original post and my take away was that you don't understand Dr. Fauci's stance on NOT ditching the masks yet. If I misunderstood your intentions, I apologize.

[DeanFL]

Maybe so that you are not attacked by a violent mob of ignorant citizens who don't know you've been vaccinated

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I was (almost) hoping that the Covid vaccine would "leave a mark" on the injection site as vaccines did when we were kids ---evidence.

Then I thought, a little tattoo, not quite as elaborate as this guy's>>> mine would be imprinted on my tongue - so if someone questions me, I stick out my tongue at them. double meaning.
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[blueash]

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IF you read my initial post - I did not berate Fauci - simply that WHAT HE IS SAYING is NOT in keeping with the CDC findings as I posted. period. Facts, not emotions. And no, not rocket science.
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Here is the exact wording from the CDC's webpage (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm?s_cid=mm7013e3_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM53321&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20March%2029%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM53321)
Prospective cohorts of 3,950 health care personnel, first responders, and other essential and frontline workers completed weekly SARS-CoV-2 testing for 13 consecutive weeks. Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%.

Your statement OP:
I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????


Fauci suggest, his does not insist, that vaccinated people still wear masks because there is a 10% chance that despite being fully immunized you are still capable of being contagious to others. Additionally in the discussion of the data on the CDC's website the authors list factors which may have resulted in an over-estimation of the vaccine's effectiveness, so the real number of breakthrough shedders may be higher than 10%.

This study was brief. It began with the date of the first shot in mid-December 2020. Thus 2 weeks after the second shot was end of January and the study ended the middle of March barely 6 to 7 weeks. So 10% or more of people when their titers were at the best broke through in a very short time frame.

Dr. Fauci has pointed out, repeatedly, that the fewer people shedding virus the sooner we come out from this pandemic. If 10% of vaccinated people may over a relatively brief period of time will be shedding then public health concerns would encourage all vaccinated people to be not selfish and not ignore the evidence that they may in fact be shedding. So protect others at least until everyone has been immunized who can be and will be. His message is absolutely not inconsistent with that of the CDC director nor the data. His message is based on the science to date and will change at some point when more data is available.

It is worth adding that this is not a study of the general population, rather those studied may be at higher risk of exposure as they all were in high risk jobs. However the study excluded those with anti-Covid antibodies from natural infection prior to the first shot and only 12% had natural antibodies despite being in the high risk job for nearly a year's worth of the epidemic.

[stanley]

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I was (almost) hoping that the Covid vaccine would "leave a mark" on the injection site as vaccines did when we were kids ---evidence.

Then I thought, a little tattoo, not quite as elaborate as this guy's>>> mine would be imprinted on my tongue - so if someone questions me, I stick out my tongue at them. double meaning.
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And this, or something like it, just might be the "vaccination passport" in the future

[Ptmckiou]

The CDC Director used the word “suggest”. That means the science is implied. So no guarantee yet, on if it is an actual fact. Thereby, they are erroring on the side of caution, until more research is done.

[Malsua]

Just in the For What it's worth category...

TV is doing pretty good.

[John41]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html

The next surge is coming over the unprotected southern border. The covid infection rate there is 10% with the deadly Brazilian variant found also. But Fauci said he can’t comment on the border because he doesn’t know anything about it.

[Tmarkwald]

The CDC Director used the word “suggest”. That means the science is implied. So no guarantee yet, on if it is an actual fact. Thereby, they are erroring on the side of caution, until more research is done.

That sounds like Dumb and Dumber - where he asks if he has a chance, and she says not in a million years, which to him means, he has a chance.

I think we need to accept the fact that after the waiting period, an inoculated person cannot carry nor have the virus. But to take the one-in-a-million as proof that there is a possibility, and trying to take that to bank doesn't fly. You've got a better chance of winning the Poweball. Every daye. For a year.

[Bill14564]

That sounds like Dumb and Dumber - where he asks if he has a chance, and she says not in a million years, which to him means, he has a chance.

I think we need to accept the fact that after the waiting period, an inoculated person cannot carry nor have the virus. But to take the one-in-a-million as proof that there is a possibility, and trying to take that to bank doesn't fly. You've got a better chance of winning the Poweball. Every daye. For a year.

How about one in ten, is that worth taking to the bank? (your information on the odds of winning Powerball is very wrong also)

[Tmarkwald]

How about one in ten, is that worth taking to the bank?

one in ten chance of catching Covid after being vaccinated? Definately not that. Not sure what the one in ten is referring to..

However, the testimony was the chance of catching covid is nearly impossible, or rather no known cases after the waiting period, as real world studies show -in other works, after the successful vaccination the chance is effectively zero.

[tophcfa]

How about out of respect for those that have not yet been vaccinated and need to go out to do essential things. Ever time they have to walk by someone without a mask they have no idea if that person has been vaccinated or not. I got my first shot and am scheduled for the second soon, but I will still be wearing a mask in public (indoors always and outdoors when near other people) because it is the unselfish and correct thing to do. Why can't people just mask up out of respect for others and stop only thinking about their own personal comfort? This pandemic has really shown an ability to separate those that are considerate of others and those that are totally self centered, and I will remember which category people fall in forever.

[Bill14564]

one in ten chance of catching Covid after being vaccinated? Definately not that. Not sure what the one in ten is referring to..

However, the testimony was the chance of catching covid is nearly impossible, or rather no known cases after the waiting period, as real world studies show -in other works, after the successful vaccination the chance is effectively zero.

You clearly did not read the report you are referring to.

[Tmarkwald]

How about out of respect for those that have not yet been vaccinated and need to go out to do essential things. Ever time they have to walk by someone without a mask they have no idea if that person has been vaccinated or not. I got my first shot and am scheduled for the second soon, but I will still be wearing a mask in public (indoors always and outdoors when near other people) because it is the unselfish and correct thing to do. Why can't people just mask up out of respect for others and stop only thinking about their own personal comfort? This pandemic has really shown an ability to separate those that are considerate of others and those that are totally self centered, and I will remember which category people fall in forever.

I applaud your reasoning, with one small caveat. Once you've had shot number 2 and the requisite time has passed, you are no longer a danger (if you ever really were). So wearing a mask is simply to make others feel better, not to provide any level of protection.

The truly selfish are those that refuse to get the vaccine and except other to protect them. Now that Florida is hitting the 40+ age group eligibility, the danger within the villages has gone to NIL since everyone in TV who want the vaccine has gotten it.

I went to WalMart, Publix, and CVS and it was a walk up. All had the vaccine available with no lines.

[Bill14564]

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I went to WalMart, Publix, and CVS and it was a walk up. All had the vaccine available with no lines.

That's interesting. As of 10 minutes ago, the vaccination websites for publix and cvs both showed no appointments available and walmart did not have any availability until next Wednesday. Do you suppose they are requiring appointments while at the same time taking walk-ins? I suspect there are some here who would like to take advantage of that.

[Tmarkwald]

That's interesting. As of 10 minutes ago, the vaccination websites for publix and cvs both showed no appointments available and walmart did not have any availability until next Wednesday. Do you suppose they are requiring appointments while at the same time taking walk-ins? I suspect there are some here who would like to take advantage of that.


It could be - I was making my late afternoon run - heading back up north for more cold weather for a couple of weeks. Perhaps end of day is different? That would make if they have a surplus of vaccine.

The issue when I got mine wasn't the vaccine quantity, it was the number of people actually doing the inoculations.

[Debra Freeman]

Because people are getting ill from variants of Covid after being vaccinated. The stats are not in as to why this is happening but it’s been all over the news.

[Debra Freeman]

Here’s one article:

Earlier this month, the Minnesota Department of Health released a health advisory stating that along with the CDC, it is investigating COVID-19 infections among people who are “appropriately vaccinated,” also called vaccine breakthrough cases, according to the advisory.

News 6 checked and the Florida Department of Health in Volusia County has six documented breakthrough cases while Sumter County has six and Lake County has 26 cases, according to emails from each county’s spokesperson.

Dr. Timothy Hendrix is with Advent Health and said it is possible for someone who is fully vaccinated to still contract the virus.

[1couple]

It keeps Doctors on the news they are famous and don’t want to give it up

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html[/QUOTE]

[banjobob]

If you are vaccinated no mask required, those that are not vaccinated are at risk if they are worried they should wear a mask and avoid close contact with others . Leave the rest of us alone we were prudent and received the vaccine.

[jswirs]

"I really think that Darwin will weed out those that refuse the vaccine and we'll be left with those that survived."[/QUOTE]

...I really think that those that have received the vaccine may, at some time in the future, be weeded out by some virus variant because their natural immune system was compromised by the vaccine, and we'll be left with those healthy folks with a robust immune system that did not need, nor want, the vaccine.

[nick demis]

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated. That leaves 85% (I'm a math wizard) of us are vulnerable and can spread the virus. Trying to protect that 85% until they are fully protected requires masks, social distancing, hand washing etc. Until that happens travel restrictions, masks on airplanes and trains and in unknown groups need to be continued. Your question is apples and oranges.

You explained why 85% of you need masks but failed to answer the question why the 15% of us need to.

[blueash]

one in ten chance of catching Covid after being vaccinated? Definately not that. Not sure what the one in ten is referring to..

However, the testimony was the chance of catching covid is nearly impossible, or rather no known cases after the waiting period, as real world studies show -in other works, after the successful vaccination the chance is effectively zero.

You could at least read the information posted on this thread even if you don't bother reading the actual material. You are wrong. 10% of those fully vaccinated had break through positive PCR tests in the period from two weeks after the second shot until about 7 weeks later. In that very short period 10% caught Covid, most of whom in fact developed mild symptoms. It is certain that these people were potentially shedding virus because that's what the PCR detects, virus in your nose.

The CDC has issued a clarification (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.html) that supports exactly what I am telling you. The study report DID NOT LOOK at whether the people with positive PCR tests caused any secondary cases. And despite your claim there was no "testimony" that there were "no known cases" as she didn't say that at all. Her full transcript from Rachel Maddow's Monday show is HERE (https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442)

[villageuser]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

She said, “LARGELY”. That does not mean “WILL DEFINITELY NOT”. Since one does not know if they are in the “largely” camp or in the “oops, it didn’t work for me” camp, we should all continue to wear our masks and social distance as recommended for vaccinated people.

By the way, i wanted to have an antibody test done to see if the vaccine had been effective for me, but my doctor would not approve it. He said an antibody test only tells you if you’ve had the virus. Since the three vaccines depend on memory B and T cells also to work, the antibody count does not provide the correct picture to determine one’s immunity level.

[nick demis]

Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

Unfortunately, the experts are not saying that it would be "socially desirable or responsible" for those of us that have been vaccinated to ware a mask, they are saying that we "HAVE" to ware a mask. If you ask me for a favor, I will probably go out of my way to do it. If you demand it of me, I will probably tell you where you can go.

[Rosebud1949]

Well said Coffee bean... says it all. However remember, the "entitled", me first every else I dont care about. Also Florida has a governor ruled by the mighty dollar.. he does not want folk to need a passport to come to Florida and spend money. He will refuse Vaccine Passports to us all. How dare he, if we, vaccinated folk, want to travel abroad and must have a VP fine, but if he refuses to let Floridians have one he is stopping me seeing my family, when I am regarded as low risk. He, who hid is Covid Virus bout from us all.....

[nick demis]

Yes, I did see that, did you read it?

Great for the 50+ who have been able to get an appointment but what about those who have not? Too bad for them? Even here in the Villages I see people who must be under 50, do we just throw them off the raft too?

It's these kind of attitudes that try to "make the science work for they " instead of "following the science" that make me not want to follow your advise. If you are so concerned, why don't you stay home in your bubble for the next decade because I may not have a decade to wait it out.

[Tmarkwald]

10% of those fully vaccinated had break through positive PCR tests in the period from two weeks after the second shot until about 7 weeks later. In that very short period 10% caught Covid, most of whom in fact developed mild symptoms. It is certain that these people were potentially shedding virus because that's what the PCR detects, virus in your nose.

Out of one million fully vaccinated individuals in Washington state, epidemiologists report evidence of 102 breakthrough cases, which represents .01 percent of vaccinated people in Washington.

That's not 10 percent, that's 1 in 10,000, almost all of which only know they tested positive because they were tested, but had no symptoms.

I am wondering if what we are seeing is a result of the vaccine changing body chemistry and after vaccination, you can test positive but not actually have the ability to transmit nor carry the virus.

The only way we know is if a month after vaccination, everyone has to go and get Covid tested. But it could be kind of like a TB test. I've always tested positive for TB since getting vaccinated 50+ years ago.

The science is new...

[FromNY]

There are many reported cases of people who are fully vaccinated still testing positive and having the virus. Most significant difference is they are not endearing up in the hospital or dead. The vaccine does NOT eliminate Covid-19. YOU can still be infected . Yes we are safer if vaccinated and on this community with kids running around, and many who still think it's a hoax I will wear a mask unless I know the circle is composed of vaccinated people who know how to wash their hands. After all science only has limited data to advise with right now. By December a years worth of data will be more powerful. Do what works for you..

[Eg_cruz]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html
Because thousand of people world wide are getting Covid weeks after being fully vaccinated. The vaccine is not 100% fool prove

[Eg_cruz]

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.
Not true.....people all over the US and the world are contracting the Covid virus weeks after being fully vaccinated, two in WA died. This is not a 100% fix, so just because you have been vaccinated dose not mean you are save from getting the virus.....they have told you that from day one.

[Malsua]

How dare he, if we, vaccinated folk, want to travel abroad and must have a VP fine, but if he refuses to let Floridians have one he is stopping me seeing my family, when I am regarded as low risk.

This is not logically consistent.

He is not allowing businesses to REQUIRE a passport as a condition of using the business.

How does this stop you from seeing your family in any fashion?

How does this stop you from getting your papers in order so that you can go to states which might require them? Answer, it doesn't.

He is not forbidding you from getting your papers. He is forbidden the federal government from _REQUIRING_ papers in the state of Florida so that you can go about your daily life.

It's not going to happen anyway. It's a useless document that won't have any real meaning for a lot of real and genuine scientific reasons of which vaccine efficacy and viral mutations are just two. Sales in forged ones will probably outpace "real" ones as well.

[bobm3]

Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

I certainly don't trust "anti-vaxers" to follow the honor system.

[Tmarkwald]

I certainly don't trust "anti-vaxers" to follow the honor system.

I certainly don't either.. selfish attitude in refusing a vaccine that saves lives.

[Windguy]

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness.

I don’t believe that’s true. My understanding is that the vaccine has a 95% chance of preventing the virus from invading our cells where it will use the cells’ machinery to create copies of itself. That process is what makes people sick. And, 95% means there’s a one in 20 chance that it will invade your cells and might make you sick and possibly even kill you. That is a long ways from “almost no chance!”. You are not 100% immune to the virus.

Also, we can still be infected. We can carry the virus in our bodies and pass it on to others even if we aren’t making more of it. That’s why we still need to be careful.

[jswirs]

" This pandemic has really shown an ability to separate those that are considerate of others and those that are totally self centered, and I will remember which category people fall in forever.[/QUOTE]"


This pandemic has really shown an ability to separate those that are easily lead and do as they are told, from those that are able to gather facts and think for themselves, and I will remember which category people fall in forever.

Since when is it the responsibility of society in general to inconvenience themselves to protect others. Those who are vulnerable or afraid need to protect themselves, and not rely on others to protect them. This constant whining of "it's your responsibility to protect me" did not exist decades ago. If you have a problem, get it solved yourself, don't expect all of society to change their lifestyle to protect you.

[Gobragh]

There are people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten COVID-19

[Malsua]

I don’t believe that’s true. My understanding is that the vaccine has a 95% chance of preventing the virus from invading our cells where it will use the cells’ machinery to create copies of itself. That process is was makes people sick. And, 95% means there’s a one in 20 chance that it will invade your cells and might make you sick and possibly even kill you. That is a long ways from “almost no chance!”. You are not 100% immune to the virus.

Also, we can still be infected. We can carry the virus in our bodies and pass it on to others even if we aren’t making more of it. That’s why we still need to be careful.

The bolded part is wrong. The virus cannot duplicate itself. Your body duplicates the virus because the virus programmed it to do so. The virus can get into you, this is true. The speed of the immune response effects what happens next. In 95% of the vaccinated, your immune system sees it, and destroys it before it can get a foothold.

In the other 5%, the immune response is attenuated. It can go from allowing very little of the body's cells from getting infected to having no effect at all. It is clear that the vaccine is stimulating _some_ response in everyone who has had it. At least to the spike proteins that the vaccine is targeted towards. As to mutations, time will tell, that said, one of the more stable sequence motifs is the spike proteins. I.e. if the spike protein changes much, the virus doesn't work any longer, therefore since this is where the vaccine is targeted, it will likely have good efficacy even in mutations.

[blueash]

Unfortunately, the experts are not saying that it would be "socially desirable or responsible" for those of us that have been vaccinated to ware a mask, they are saying that we "HAVE" to ware a mask. If you ask me for a favor, I will probably go out of my way to do it. If you demand it of me, I will probably tell you where you can go.

I challenge you to produce a link to where any expert said you "have to ware [sic] a mask" without providing an explanation that such was for an infectious disease reason or because the vaccines were known to not be 100% effective. Every single expert I have heard has been very careful in their wording to explain that masking is a public health benefit not saying you "have" to wear it. Rather that you "should" wear it

From the CDC's website: Do I need to wear a mask after 2 doses of vaccine?

It depends. For now, fully vaccinated people can gather indoors without physical distancing or wearing masks with: Other people who are fully vaccinated
Unvaccinated people from one other household, unless any of those people or anyone they live with has an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19

Until more is known, fully vaccinated people should continue to wear masks and stay 6 feet apart from other people in other settings, like when they are in public or visiting with unvaccinated people from multiple households.

[oneclickplus]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

That's because you are being lied to and intentionally misled.

Cliff notes:

Fully vaccinated people are contracting COVID-19; Fauci is "taking it seriously"; many breakthrough cases right here in central Florida; growing number of people getting COVID-19 who have been FULLY vaccinated; will have to continue social distancing and wearing masks (LOL - what is the vaccine for again?).

Hanna Rewerts (healthcare worker) regarding the vaccines: "I don't think the public is aware that it doesn't mean you're not getting the virus ... and it doesn't mean you're not getting sick".

Pfizer & Moderna vaccines are 95% effective (but not for the variants); those vaccinated have destroyed their innate immune system and are greatly vulnerable to the variants; much more vulnerable than those who are not taking these shots. This is what happens when people ignore real scientists and prefer to listen to political hacks (Fauci).

FACT: Everyone will eventually be exposed to the virus; that is inevitable. Those who relied on their innate immune system will have a robust defense against COVID-19 and all the variants (which, by the way, are primarily caused by mass vaccinations). Those who took Moderna & Pfizer shots (but not J&J and AstraZeneca) are 95% protected from the SINGULAR original COVID-19 for which their cells were hijacked to make that SINGULAR spike protein. When exposed to the many variants multiplying daily, their bodies will simply not be able to defend from them.

I think for breakfast, I am going to go have an orange (Vitamin C), and some yogurt topped with pumpkin seeds (Zinc) and maybe a couple of Brazil nuts (Selenium) ... then go sit outside in the sun for 10-15 minutes making Vitamin D out of cholesterol. That's all my immune system needs; yours too (if you haven't had Moderna / Pfizer).

After all the variants demonstrate the foolishness of this mass vaccination experiment, it's those of us who did NOT get vaccinated that will be given "passports" for cruising / travel / etc. Vaccinated people will be the ones susceptible to ... getting sick from ... and contagious with ... the multiple variants.

Masks on everyone.

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnmN2WrU8pE)

And they can't be sued for anything related to these vaccines

Why Pfizer And Moderna Can't Be Sued For Covid Vaccine Side Effects - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJbd402xj0Q)

[Pat2015]

I don’t think that those who do not get vaccinated are “selfish.” Some people due to medical issues should not get vaccinated. Also, some people feel as though not enough testing has been done and the fact the vaccines are not FDA approved (rather just UA) makes them feel that it isn’t safe or proven enough to make themselves part of the clinical study. Not an opinion, just facts.

[oneclickplus]

The real problem is 35% of the population are anti-vaxxers, and they are ruining it for everyone else, especially as some vaccines are being throw out because of lack of interest (not here though).

I really think that Darwin will weed out those that refuse the vaccine and we'll be left with those that survived.

Darwin may have a say here. But, it won't be to take out those of us who refuse a vaccine. Our immune systems are intact. Vaccinated people are at great risk of the variants. I guess you just go get another vaccine?

[Tmarkwald]

I don’t believe that’s true. My understanding is that the vaccine has a 95% chance of preventing the virus from invading our cells where it will use the cells’ machinery to create copies of itself. That process is was makes people sick. And, 95% means there’s a one in 20 chance that it will invade your cells and might make you sick and possibly even kill you. That is a long ways from “almost no chance!”. You are not 100% immune to the virus.

Also, we can still be infected. We can carry the virus in our bodies and pass it on to others even if we aren’t making more of it. That’s why we still need to be careful.

No, 95% does not mean a one in 20 chance you will get infected.

It means 1 in twenty are susceptible. And, couple that with the incredibly low chance of getting infected to begin with and you've not even made enough data for a slow news day.

[oneclickplus]

All the more reason that everyone should do their part to stamp out this virus. No excuses from those who have no medical reason to refuse the vaccine. Get yourself vaccinated for crying out loud. Do it for the good of your fellow citizens; do it for your country; do it for your loved ones. Oh....... and do it so you won't possibly get sick and die from this virus.

Ummmm - No thank you. My body, my choice. Ask the pro-abortion crowd.

[Tmarkwald]

Ummmm - No thank you. My body, my choice. Ask the pro-abortion crowd.

Abortion is infanticide - or murder. We're not going there.

[rmd2]

Actually, it’s 40 and over, going to 16 and over April 7th. Two weeks ago it was incredibly easy to get a vaccine. Signup at saferestart, signup at myvaccine.fl.gov, call your doctor, login to Publix at 7am Mon, wed, fri. Scan availability at Winn Dixie, Walmart, Sam’s Club, CVS, Walgreens. Lots of options.


Yes, 5 more days and everyone can get appointments for shots. If they don't that's on them. I don't think we need to mask up after people have had the chance to get their shots.

[Bay Kid]

We are all going to die from something. Scared? No I am always prepared.

I got mine because the govern are going to take control of what we can and can't do. Only a matter of time we will look like the old WW2 movies, show me your papers, before you go anywhere.

After a year of govern control it is getting old listening to all their misleading information.

[blueash]

jswirs
Since when is it the responsibility of society in general to inconvenience themselves to protect others. Those who are vulnerable or afraid need to protect themselves, and not rely on others to protect them. This constant whining of "it's your responsibility to protect me" did not exist decades ago. If you have a problem, get it solved yourself, don't expect all of society to change their lifestyle to protect you.

As I remember learning in school about the early 1940's a whole bunch of people decided that they would take on the responsibility of protecting others even at some risk to themselves. And a whole lot of people who couldn't go that whole route were willing to change their lifestyle for the common good even at a lot of personal inconvenience. In that historical event about 400,000 American's died and pretty much all the rest were thankful that others acted "to protect me" And yes it was decades ago.

This conflict has killed more Americans and the little inconvenience asked of those at home is to wear a darn mask, social distance, and when eligible get a couple shots and still you bitch and moan about such a little act for the common good

I'll still inconvenience myself to let an ambulance pass me even though it only helps protect somebody else from harm. I'll still cover my cough to protect others. Civil society should expect that. Some of us understand that some problems are best solved not by the individual and in fact require all of us to maximize success. But you do you.

[oneclickplus]

I applaud your reasoning, with one small caveat. Once you've had shot number 2 and the requisite time has passed, you are no longer a danger (if you ever really were). So wearing a mask is simply to make others feel better, not to provide any level of protection.

The truly selfish are those that refuse to get the vaccine and except other to protect them. Now that Florida is hitting the 40+ age group eligibility, the danger within the villages has gone to NIL since everyone in TV who want the vaccine has gotten it.

I went to WalMart, Publix, and CVS and it was a walk up. All had the vaccine available with no lines.

Actually, I expect my own immune system to protect me. I don't give a **** whether you or anyone else gets the vaccine as it has no value to me.

[oneclickplus]

Because people are getting ill from variants of Covid after being vaccinated. The stats are not in as to why this is happening but it’s been all over the news.

And their own immune systems can't protect them from the variants as it has been compromised by the Moderna / Pfizer vaccines. Those who took the J&J / Astra Zeneca vaccines (or no vaccine) still have a chance to protect, boost and rely upon their own immune systems for the tsunami of variants heading our way. Don't be a lemming.

[oneclickplus]

"I really think that Darwin will weed out those that refuse the vaccine and we'll be left with those that survived."

...I really think that those that have received the vaccine may, at some time in the future, be weeded out by some virus variant because their natural immune system was compromised by the vaccine, and we'll be left with those healthy folks with a robust immune system that did not need, nor want, the vaccine.[/QUOTE]

What do you know? Another critical thinker paying attention to real scientists and not swallowing everything they hear from Fauci / CDC. Turn off CNN folks.

[oneclickplus]

Well said Coffee bean... says it all. However remember, the "entitled", me first every else I dont care about. Also Florida has a governor ruled by the mighty dollar.. he does not want folk to need a passport to come to Florida and spend money. He will refuse Vaccine Passports to us all. How dare he, if we, vaccinated folk, want to travel abroad and must have a VP fine, but if he refuses to let Floridians have one he is stopping me seeing my family, when I am regarded as low risk. He, who hid is Covid Virus bout from us all.....

He didn't say you couldn't have a passport. He said that Florida businesses will not be allowed to REQUIRE a passport to enter buildings or obtain products / services. Take your passport and use it to go outside FL.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

There is a lot of misinformation and missed information out there. No one is talking about or even concerned about the long term effects of the vaccine! No one has a clue and that’s scary especially since they are not true vaccines. If you are interested in some medical options that are not Dr Fauci brainwashed check out Dr Mercola’s new letter. At least you will be educated and have various opinions.

[Tmarkwald]

Yes, 5 more days and everyone can get appointments for shots. If they don't that's on them. I don't think we need to mask up after people have had the chance to get their shots.

Agreed. Even with the extremely slight possibility of contracting the virus after vaccination, there are less than 10 worldwide that have died after inoculation. Nearly every positive Covid test after inoculation was the result of someone having the test down for another reason than symptoms.

We can can only contribute our part to herd immunity by getting the vaccine. Those who decline must be responsible for their own health. We should not be forced to change our lifestyle or comfort for those who decline to do so.

[oneclickplus]

Abortion is infanticide - or murder. We're not going there.

I agree. Hate it. I was just highlighting the hypocrisy of many who do support abortion with phrases like "my body, my choice", yet insist that I (and about 1/3 of the population) not have that same choice when declining to be vaccinated.

They will say I am selfish and putting others at risk. Yet, abortion does not risk a life - it actually takes one.

[donfey]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

......................................
The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html

CONTROL! How far will we let them control us, "the science" notwithstanding?

[jbrown132]

the next surge is coming over the unprotected southern border. The covid infection rate there is 10% with the deadly brazilian variant found also. But fauci said he can’t comment on the border because he doesn’t know anything about it.

bingo!

[Tmarkwald]

There is a lot of misinformation and missed information out there. No one is talking about or even concerned about the long term effects of the vaccine! No one has a clue and that’s scary especially since they are not true vaccines. If you are interested in some medical options that are not Dr Fauci brainwashed check out Dr Mercola’s new letter. At least you will be educated and have various opinions.

First off, I'm not trusting a Herbal Medicine quack with my health.

Mercola.com - #1 Natural Health Website (https://www.mercola.com)

And, the Covid 19 vaccines are very much 'true' vaccines.

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html)

[Tmarkwald]

I agree. Hate it. I was just highlighting the hypocrisy of many who do support abortion with phrases like "my body, my choice", yet insist that I (and about 1/3 of the population) not have that same choice when declining to be vaccinated.

They will say I am selfish and putting others at risk. Yet, abortion does not risk a life - it actually takes one.

Ok, I get the analogy!

[BarbC2016]

Some people just want to berate Dr. Fauci every chance they get. Thank you for his explanation which, seriously, everyone should have already known if they would just put on their thinking cap. This is not rocket science, folks.

Dr. Fauci talks about all the continued masking- two masks, social distancing, etc., but I have yet to hear a word about dealing with Covid carrying immigrants entering our country and being shipped all over the country by the thousands every month. Where's the science on this? His silence speaks volumes.

[chuckpedrey]

Read the February 2021 issue if Imprimis. The article is adapted from a speech that Dr. Scott Atlas delivered at a Hillsdale College National Leadership Seminar in Phoenix, Arizona on February 18, 2021

[Lindaws]

It is ALL about control over us.

[blueash]

Actually, I expect my own immune system to protect me. ...Darwin may have a say here. But, it won't be to take out those of us who refuse a vaccine. Our immune systems are intact. Vaccinated people are at great risk of the variants. I guess you just go get another vaccine?

Ignorant is a term used for people who don't know because they've never been given an opportunity to learn. I am ignorant of the preferred flavors of ice cream in China. But if I were given an opportunity to learn and found it was similar to here, but I insisted on TOTV that the favorite was licorice, then I'd be a liar. If I lacked the brainpower to absorb the facts, then I'd be stupid. So which are you?

Half a million dead Americans found out that their immune systems didn't save them. 30 million Americans found out their immune system didn't prevent catching the disease. And absolutely no scientist would tell you that vaccinated people are more likely to become ill with the variants. (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777785) In fact it is exactly the opposite. Vaccines provide some protection against the variants. And that protection is measured against how frequently non vaccinated healthy people get sick, with intact immune systems. Vaccinated people get sick less often. The amount of additional protection is still being evaluated.

Unvaccinated people are more likely to catch the variants as well as the original Covid. This is so simple and so elementary that anyone reading the literature and using Google would grasp this fact immediately.

The first published Lancet study of the AZ vaccine showed a 70% efficacy against the B 117 variant that is predominant in England. A very early bit of data on the Pfizer vaccine showed (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pfizer-says-trials-suggest-covid-vaccine-works-against-south-african-n1262710) 100% efficacy against the South African variant B 1.351, but tiny numbers and clearly it will not be 100%.

[jswirs]

As I remember learning in school about the early 1940's a whole bunch of people decided that they would take on the responsibility of protecting others even at some risk to themselves. And a whole lot of people who couldn't go that whole route were willing to change their lifestyle for the common good even at a lot of personal inconvenience. In that historical event about 400,000 American's died and pretty much all the rest were thankful that others acted "to protect me" And yes it was decades ago.

This conflict has killed more Americans and the little inconvenience asked of those at home is to wear a darn mask, social distance, and when eligible get a couple shots and still you bitch and moan about such a little act for the common good

I'll still inconvenience myself to let an ambulance pass me even though it only helps protect somebody else from harm. I'll still cover my cough to protect others. Civil society should expect that. Some of us understand that some problems are best solved not by the individual and in fact require all of us to maximize success. But you do you.
Wearing a mask anytime I'm around people, (I do adhere to social distancing,) is a far cry from simply moving over for an ambulance, which may occur once or twice a month. And you still bitch and moan about how others are unwilling to protect you. Some of us understand there's something called individual responsibility, which comes before asking others to modify their lifestyle, just to protect them. But do you?

[Proveone]

Variants/mutations - that's why you want to mask until the entire population gets vaccinated!

[Tmarkwald]

Variants/mutations - that's why you want to mask until the entire population gets vaccinated!

Slight change to your wording - until the entire population has the opportunity to get vaccinated, and accepts or declines. After that, the anti-vaxxers are on their own...

[Girlcopper]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html
Ok. First it was...why do I have to get vaccinated? Then its....Im vaccinated why wear a mask? Just because youre vaccinated doesnt mean everyone is. Do you think the world can be put on the honor system? If wearing a mask wasnt still mandatory after getting the vaccine, you would have everyone claiming they were vaccinated. And true, we are given cards to prove we are vaccinated. How long before the forgeries show up? Just wear your mask until its safe to not

[Tmarkwald]

Ok. First it was...why do I have to get vaccinated? How long before the forgeries show up? Just wear your mask until its safe to not

The forgeries are available EVERYWHERE - $5 - just do a web search. That took no time.

The rest of your comments have been hashed over ad nauseum...

[DeanFL]

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BTW folks - just heard on a News Talk radio today - DON'T laminate your vacc card, as many are. If we need a 'booster' they can't update it on the card. For us, we keep our original card in the safe with passports etc etc. Made a copy for our wallets. And took a cell phone picture.

Just a friendly FYI. As mentioned below - the OCD thing>
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[Tmarkwald]

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BTW folks - just heard on a News Talk radio today - DON'T laminate your vacc card, as many are. If we need a 'booster' they can't update it on the card. For us, we keep our original card in the safe with passports etc etc. Made a copy for our wallets. And took a cell phone picture.

Just a friendly FYI. As mentioned below - the OCD thing>
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They're already said a booster shot would probably result in a new card. I agree - don't laminate the card. Instead, make a reduced size copy and laminate THAT, so it fit in your wallet. Doubtful if we'll need it anyway. You can purchase all the fake copies you'd like. By summer you'll be able to buy fake copies at flea markets and Circle K store marked 'for amusement' only...

[gdennis317]

Not True

95% effective means 5 out of 100 get it, symptoms can be none to typically mild.
There are documented cases of vaccinated people testing positive and giving it to non vaccinated people.

A man on Arbana Path caught Covid a month after his second shot. Is in the Hospital as a precautionary step due to his age etc.

[blueash]

Posted by john41 View Post
the next surge is coming over the unprotected southern border. The covid infection rate there is 10% with the deadly brazilian variant found also. But fauci said he can’t comment on the border because he doesn’t know anything about it.

Funny, but Google doesn't either. No hits on a search using "covid positivity rate immigrants brazil variant" The director of FEMA did testify before Congress that the overall positivity rate of southern border immigrants is LOWER than the rate for Texans being tested.
2 weeks ago "There's testing happening," Acting Administrator Robert Fenton told lawmakers at a hearing before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security. "What we're seeing is less than 6% positive right now, coming across the border."

The administration admits that testing is a problem and their system is being stressed. But nowhere did I found 10% or any evidence of what you are suggesting. The Federal govt has asked for assistance in testing from the established testing facilities in the states and local communities and offered to full pay the cost for the testing. Some politicians have refused to allow any cooperation.

Do you have any reliable source for your statement? There is a long and very ugly history (https://www.google.com/search?q=history+of+blaming+immigrants+for+disease&biw=1600&bih=757&ei=qRJnYJmkFKWqwbkPleamuAU&oq=history+of+blaming+immigrants+for+disease&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BQgAEJECOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARC jAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgIIADoECAAQQzoFC AAQsQM6BQguELEDOgcIABCxAxAKOgQIABAKOgIILjoFCAAQyQM 6BggAEBYQHjoICAAQFhAKEB46BggAEA0QHjoICAAQCBANEB46B QgAEIYDOggIIRAWEB0QHjoECCEQClD19BVYmt4WYIzgFmgEcAJ 4AIABqwGIAasekgEENDEuNZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjZnIGkzN_vAhUlVTABHRWzCVc4ChDh1QMIDQ&uact=5) of nativists to blame disease on immigrants.

[beeneyra]

You can still get the virus it just won't kill you, so they say, and you can spread it to others.

[merrymini]

I am not an antivaxxer, I just do not want this vaccine. There is too much unknown and all these “experts” are not credible. More than 10 people HAVE died from the vaccine 13 in Norway alone. Those proponents of the vaccines would certainly not admit the vaccine would have anything to do with any deaths. Does not fit their narrative. “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.” Edward R. Murrow

[cleanwater]

Vaccines are NOT 100% effective. 5-10% of vaccinated people can become infected.

[Tmarkwald]

95% effective means 5 out of 100 get it

So, you are inferring that if nobody got vaccinated, 100% of the population would get infected.

Simply not true. 95% effective means 5 out of 100 are susceptible to exposure.

We know that of those susceptible, 95% will not get it, and of the 5% that will get it, 98% will survive.

The math gets rather long but of a sampling of 50,000, 2500 are susceptible

Of that 2500, 100 will get Covid.

Of that 100, more than 98 will survive

So effectively, 1 in 50,000 will not survive....

That's the math...

[Tmarkwald]

I am not an antivaxxer, I just do not want this vaccine. There is too much unknown and all these “experts” are not credible. More than 10 people HAVE died from the vaccine 13 in Norway alone.

That's already been debunked by Norway and the US as well.

I'd rather have a 99.999% chance at life, than a 2% chance of death

[Tmarkwald]

Vaccines are NOT 100% effective. 5-10% of vaccinated people can become infected.

5% CAN be infected. of those, 95% will not, and of those, 98% will survive.

[allsport]

Have you even been reading the science, the new variant is spreading rapidly among kids and the sick kids require hospitalization. It is increasing cases around the country.

[blueash]

Not True

95% effective means 5 out of 100 get it, symptoms can be none to typically mild.
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Sorry but you are wrong. 95% effective means that in a situation where 100 people who are not vaccinated get sick, only 5 with vaccine get sick. Think of it this way. If seat belts are 60% effective at reducing crash deaths, it does not mean that 40% of seat-belt wearers will die in a car crash.

More technically, start with 10000 people. Give 5000 the shots. Watch them for 3 months. If out of the vaccinated 5000 you get 5 sick people and out of the not vaccinated group you get 100 sick people the vaccine was 95% effective. It reduced cases by 95%

Your statement that 5% of the vaccinated group gets sick is wrong. In my example 5% of the 5000 people would mean 250 get sick using your misunderstanding. As you can see that is not how the statistic is calculated. 95% efficacy does not mean that 5% of the vaccinated people will get sick.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html

Man, you're not the only one confused! If I'm vaccinated, and therefore "protected" and don't "spread" the virus I don't carry, it matters not if others are not vaccinated. Now, in six months (which is what I'm hearing currently regarding the length of said protection) I'll be digging out my mask to don until further info on re-vaccination or if efficacy is beyond six months. :pray:

[tthdr]

95 % effective is not 100%. If you are around a carrier you can still get sick. You may avoid hospitalization and serious illness but still get sick. So particularly if you have underlying medical issues it can be a problem

[blueash]

So, you are inferring that if nobody got vaccinated, 100% of the population would get infected.

Simply not true. 95% effective means 5 out of 100 are susceptible to exposure.

We know that of those susceptible, 95% will not get it, and of the 5% that will get it, 98% will survive.

The math gets rather long but of a sampling of 50,000, 2500 are susceptible

Of that 2500, 100 will get Covid.

Of that 100, more than 98 will survive

So effectively, 1 in 50,000 will not survive....

That's the math...

See above. You do not understand how effectiveness is calculated (https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson3/section6.html) so please until you do stop trying to tell people "that's the math". Efficacy has nothing to do with susceptible.

[blueash]

,, Now, in six months (which is what I'm hearing currently regarding the length of said protection) I'll be digging out my mask to don until further info on re-vaccination or if efficacy is beyond six months. :pray:

What you might be hearing is that the data analyzed shows that the vaccine continues to work for the entire length of the study which was six months. No drop in protection has been detected. This does not mean it stops working after six months. If I invent a new roof shingle and six months after installation there are no leaks that does not mean it will fail now. It means simply that based on the available data I can say the roof lasts six months and I can't say anything about it beyond what has been studied.

[Tmarkwald]

Man, you're not the only one confused! If I'm vaccinated, and therefore "protected" and don't "spread" the virus I don't carry, it matters not if others are not vaccinated. Now, in six months (which is what I'm hearing currently regarding the length of said protection) I'll be digging out my mask to don until further info on re-vaccination or if efficacy is beyond six months. :pray:

The 6 months is rather inaccurate news.

I think people like to 'stir the pot' and substantiate their anti-vaxxing/alternative medicine agenda!

The vaccine hasn't been out that long. Previous testing 10 years ago with the SARS and MERS vaccines (same basic vaccine) did not test the long term viability of the vaccine because SARS and MERS went away rather fast.

You can paint your house. Six months later you can say the paint has lasted 6 months.

But a booster is a small price to pay, and certainly not a reason to ignore the science and refuse the inoculation.

[Tmarkwald]

See above. You do not understand how effectiveness is calculated (https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson3/section6.html) so please until you do stop trying to tell people "that's the math". Efficacy has nothing to do with susceptible.

Ok, so educate us if all of us aren't doing the math right....

[doccraig]

The real answer is that they are lying to maintain the hoax.

[tuccillo]

The correct way to interpret the statistics from the trials is as follows. If you are fully vaccinated and two weeks after your second shot, the probability of developing symptoms (look at the trial studies for the exact definition of what symptoms, how many symptoms, and the level of symptoms they call "positive") if you are exposed is reduced by 20x (95% efficacy) compared with not having been vaccinated. Your probability of developing symptoms if you are exposed and not vaccinated is not precisely known but is generally a small number. In the trials, they don't know who was exposed. So, the vaccine reduces this unknown, but small number, by 20x. Some early numbers from Washington state have the breakthrough rate at 0.01%. Also, if you are vaccinated, your probability of developing serious disease symptoms that lead to hospitalization and possibly death is essentially zero. By any objective measure, the vaccines are extremely effective at doing what we would hope they would do; prevent serious disease and death.

Vaccines are NOT 100% effective. 5-10% of vaccinated people can become infected.

[pgettinger01]

Because you can infect people who have not had vaccine. Also the vaccine is not approved for children less than 12 years old.

[MandoMan]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html

One thing to keep in mind about the CDC is that they change their recommendations as new information comes in, and new studies of COVID-19 are coming in quite often. This is the scientific method. This is the way it is supposed to be done. Thus, if what one of the directors says today differs from what the director said last week, it may be because of new data.

I received my second vaccination on February 18, and I’m so glad. I used to be pretty fanatical about wearing masks and not touching things and using hand sanitizer and keeping my distance and not going places, but I’ve relaxed that a lot, though I’m not back to normal. I wear masks when asked to because I want to be an example to others.

However, here is something to think about. The Pfizer vaccine I had is said to be 95% effective against catching COVID and probably 100% effective against getting a case requiring hospitalization. Same with Moderna. The Johnson and Johnson seems to be, what, about 70% effective against getting COVID and 100% effective against a case requiring hospitalization? But what if you don’t want to get it at all because even seemingly mild cases can have after-effects that are life changing and may not show up for a couple months?

Think about it. Don’t think about ONLY 5%. Think about FIVE PERCENT! I’ve seen people obsessing about diseases they have a one in a thousand chance of catching. Or even less. This is one chance in twenty. If you had one chance in twenty of getting, say, lung cancer or breast cancer or brain cancer or AIDS or COPD in the next MONTH or YEAR if you FILL IN THE BLANK one time, would you take the risk? If you knew that if you ride your motorcycle or horse or play softball or pickle ball you have one chance in twenty of suffering permanent injury, would you do it? Lots of people buy lottery tickets even when their chance of winning is much worse than one in a million. I never have because the odds are terrible. But if there was one chance in twenty? It would be more tempting.

I’m taking more risks now, but they are small risks, much smaller if everyone involved has been vaccinated. The chance of my catching COVID from someone else who has been vaccinated is nearly in lottery ticket territory. Would I want to work on a hospital ward treating patients with COVID? Not without a mask and gloves and gown.

[Byte1]

Because most of the so-called "experts" that work for the gov. are Political Hacks and say what they are told to say. It is unusual for one of them to step outside of the script and tell us what they REALLY believe.
It's all about gov. control. I've been saying on here for some time that there are many real experts that say that once your vaccination kicks in, the virus is "killed" and you cannot give it to others. But, there are some on here that allow hysteria rule their lives and NEED someone one to confirm their fears....thus they wish to listen to what big brother tells them.

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html

[Tmarkwald]

The correct way to interpret the statistics from the trials is as follows. If you are fully vaccinated and two weeks after your second shot, the probability of developing symptoms (look at the trial studies for the exact definition of what symptoms, how many symptoms, and the level of symptoms they call "positive") if you are exposed is reduced by 20x (95% efficacy) compared with not having been vaccinated. Your probability of developing symptoms if you are exposed and not vaccinated is not precisely known but is generally a small number. In the trials, they don't know who was exposed. So, the vaccine reduces this unknown, but small number, by 20x. Some early numbers from Washington state have the breakthrough rate at 0.01%. Also, if you are vaccinated, your probability of developing serious disease symptoms that lead to hospitalization and possibly death is essentially zero. By any objective measure, the vaccines are extremely effective at doing what we would hope they would do; prevent serious disease and death.

Very good explanation!

[Byte1]

Seems prudent to maintain risk reductions methods until there is proof we have reached and sustained a low rate of new infections.

People not doing so will make this take longer.

The graphs fail to show reality. The graphs are based on the amount of positive test results, not how many NEW infected. If one person shows a positive result, then that person returns over and over again for testing until they show a negative result. Each one of those test results are counted as an additional infected. The test results and the reporting system are both flawed.

[Tmarkwald]

The graphs fail to show reality. The graphs are based on the amount of positive test results, not how many NEW infected. If one person shows a positive result, then that person returns over and over again for testing until they show a negative result. Each one of those test results are counted as an additional infected. The test results and the reporting system are both flawed.

Yeah, it's been like that since the start of this whole ordeal.

My entire family has Covid in January (we found out via antibody tests in April when the tests frst came out)

Well, an antibody test that is positive also is a Covid-19 indicator. We tested monthly, so I have, myself contributed 12 positives to the counter personally, and my family nearly 50 positives...even though Covid tests are negative...

Now what will be interesting is if I have an actual positive Covid test, now that I am vaccinated as well.

Lots of things may get me, but I am doing my best to ensure it isn't this virus!

[Byte1]

There are people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten COVID-19

Prove it. I've heard a bunch of folks that WILL NOT get vaccinated that insist on repeating "urban legends" but no one has provide and valid proof of those statements.

[Byte1]

I've been inoculated and that's about as far as I go at this point in time. I do not wear my mask unless a business requires it. Sorry, but your fear mongering does not effect me. If you are scared, then stay home, period. The death rate is receding, and now someone has decided that we have to have a new boogieman, such as a new variant of the old. I am not going to become a pin cushion to make others feel all "warm and fuzzy." I have never had the flu and do not get the flu shot. If I do get the flu in the future, I probably won't get the shot at my age. I do not care what you do and encourage you to do what you feel is right for YOU. Do not presume to shame me into doing what you deem appropriate for my life, meaning that it is actually for YOUR life. Do not ever think that saying someone is not being "patriotic" like a certain clown on TV recently said, is going to effect me. After you have walked in my shoes, you can determine whether or not I am not a "patriot." If you believe everything that the gov tells you to be factual and true, then you should go ahead and line up for every vaccination available.
If you wish to criticize me, I will be the one NOT wearing a mask in public or wearing a window screen mask in stores requiring the wearing of a mask. If you have a problem with that, then stay away from me. "Selfish?" I am not the one demanding that others conform to my standards and whims. You do what you wish to do and stay your distance from me. I am more worried about catching your "stupid" than catching a flu or virus.

[blueash]

Ok, so educate us if all of us aren't doing the math right....

lf you would please take the time to read the brief, for me, post, you will see highlighted in green a link to how to do the math. I almost always include links in my posts, but not this one.

[Tmarkwald]

Prove it. I've heard a bunch of folks that WILL NOT get vaccinated that insist on repeating "urban legends" but no one has provide and valid proof of those statements.

OK, it is a bit of a slippery slope. There are definitely a few people that have tested positive for Covid post-vaccination. However, the real questions should not be who tested positive, but who actually caught an active, debilitating Covid infection. Which is virtually NIL.

So my theory, probably flawed, is that these are either false positives, with no symptoms whatsoever, or they are the ones in at 4% group that the vaccine did not take. If that is the case, who's to know?

The vaccine 'takes' on 96% or so of all people. So 4% are effectively not vaccinated, even though they got the shot.

Remember the scar on the shoulder? That's how you proved you were vaccinated and the vaccine 'took'. I don't have the scar and I got the vaccine every year because they always thought I never had it.

What is interesting is that I read a study where they were testing using multiple versions of the vaccines (mix or match). Maybe that is the key to getting closer to 100% ?

Essentially, to your challenge - nobody can prove it. Nobody. Because as long as the vaccine is not 100% effective, we have zero chance of knowing if the person who got Covid actually had the vaccine 'take'.

[tuccillo]

You wanted a reference on vaccine breakthrough cases:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Newsroom/Articles/ID/2720/Cases-of-COVID-19-vaccine-breakthrough-confirmed-in-Washington-state


Prove it. I've heard a bunch of folks that WILL NOT get vaccinated that insist on repeating "urban legends" but no one has provide and valid proof of those statements.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Gobragh View Post
There are people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten COVID-19
Byte1
Prove it. I've heard a bunch of folks that WILL NOT get vaccinated that insist on repeating "urban legends" but no one has provide and valid proof of those statements.

Lordy lordy. How can you not be aware of the many many reports of fully immunized people getting Covid (https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+cases+after+vaccine+&biw=1600&bih=757&ei=mSxnYJKXFO-k_QbYobxA&oq=covid+cases+after+vaccine+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADI ICAAQsQMQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyBQgAEIYDOggIIRAWEB0QH lC4zQpYitIKYLXYCmgBcAB4AIABX4gBkAKSAQEzmAEAoAEBqgE HZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjSx5qC5d_vAhVvUt8KHdgQDwgQ4dUDCA0&uact=5). The very fact that the vaccine efficacy is NOT 100% tells you that in the licensing studies there were breakthrough cases.

Let's see what FoxNews has to say on this subject

Can I still spread the coronavirus after I'''m vaccinated? | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/health/can-i-still-spread-the-coronavirus-after-im-vaccinated)

Their answer is yes you can including this piece of FoxNews advice:
Given the uncertainty and the arrival of more contagious variants, experts say fully vaccinated people should continue to wear masks and social distance in public and when visiting with unvaccinated people at high risk for severe illness if infected.

[SugarOnMyTongue]

Nobody knows how long the vaccine will last. What happens as their effectiveness starts to fade and people thinking they were protected are now vulnerable again (think annual flu vaccine). We do know masks continue to be effective. There is a valid place for both masks and vaccine until more is learn about the disease and the vaccine.

[Tmarkwald]

You wanted a reference on vaccine breakthrough cases:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Newsroom/Articles/ID/2720/Cases-of-COVID-19-vaccine-breakthrough-confirmed-in-Washington-state

Correct - we know that 4% of the people who receive the vaccine are not actually vaccinated. The comment 'fully vaccinated' means that they had both shots.

The article also states that this is perfectly normal in ALL vaccines.

[sloanst]

The huge majority of us have been vaccinated for Polio, small pox, diphtheria, typhoid fever and many other diseases. Did we have to wear masks then? The answer to that question should tell you all you need to know.

[5:00somewhere]

We should consider one other answer. Fauci is a product of the MSM. He literally was at the very source of this virus. He has never been forthcoming with the facts and when he does speak about it; he flip flops on almost everything. I think he might not want to give up the spotlight. I hope I am wrong, but this man is a sorry excuse for a scientist. This is not meant as any kind of political statement.

[Rooklift]

You are not confused. They are.

[Bill14564]

The graphs fail to show reality. The graphs are based on the amount of positive test results, not how many NEW infected. If one person shows a positive result, then that person returns over and over again for testing until they show a negative result. Each one of those test results are counted as an additional infected. The test results and the reporting system are both flawed.

Yeah, it's been like that since the start of this whole ordeal.

My entire family has Covid in January (we found out via antibody tests in April when the tests frst came out)

Well, an antibody test that is positive also is a Covid-19 indicator. We tested monthly, so I have, myself contributed 12 positives to the counter personally, and my family nearly 50 positives...even though Covid tests are negative...

Now what will be interesting is if I have an actual positive Covid test, now that I am vaccinated as well.

Lots of things may get me, but I am doing my best to ensure it isn't this virus!

Here are three sites which give the number of tests administered to be more than 360M (more than one for every US citizen):
Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028731/covid19-tests-select-countries-worldwide/)
COVID tracking project (https://covidtracking.com/data/national)
JHU (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)

Both the COVID tracking project and the JHU page give the number of cases in the neighborhood of 30M. The COVID tracking page gives the number of individuals who tested negative as 75M.

30M cases + 75M negative individuals = 100M tests

Two thirds of the tests performed are not being counted as cases or individuals who test negative. Either that is due to data being tossed on the ground or that is due to data being de-duplicated. In either case, there is nothing that indicates that multiple positive tests from the same person are counted as separate cases.

[tuccillo]

I believe it is more accurate to say that everyone who has had both shots will experience a small probability that the vaccine will not protect them against asymptomatic infection or infection with mild symptoms. The vaccine appears to be drive the probability of severe disease or death to near zero for everyone who has had both shots. Of course, with J&J it is one shot.

Correct - we know that 4% of the people who receive the vaccine are not actually vaccinated. The comment 'fully vaccinated' means that they had both shots.

The article also states that this is perfectly normal in ALL vaccines.

[IADCathy]

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated. That leaves 85% (I'm a math wizard) of us are vulnerable and can spread the virus. Trying to protect that 85% until they are fully protected requires masks, social distancing, hand washing etc. Until that happens travel restrictions, masks on airplanes and trains and in unknown groups need to be continued. Your question is apples and oranges.
The question is "can vaccinated people carry the virus." That is apples to apples.

[Kirk Bell]

Check out California COVID rules!

[Tmarkwald]

Fully vaccinated people may travel, CDC says (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fully-vaccinated-people-may-travel-cdc-says/ar-BB1ffdT1?ocid=msedgntp)

[justjim]

Unfortunately wearing a mask became “political” early on in the pandemic. That said, you will likely see people wearing masks during the flu season long after the pandemic has been put to rest. I’ve got use to a mask and personally don’t see it any more an issue than wearing a seatbelt. I remember how people resisted wearing them. According to Google it is estimated 90.7% of adults now use seatbelts. Not required in New Hampshire.

[coffeebean]

Because people are getting ill from variants of Covid after being vaccinated. The stats are not in as to why this is happening but it’s been all over the news.

I just read an article that the Pfizer vaccine is covering the variant from South Africa extremely well. The article was linked in another forum and I can't recall which one so, I apologize for not providing a link. I will say I was extremely encouraged when I read that though.

I don't know if my assumption is very wrong but.....I do assume that what ever Pfizer claims about their vaccine, that the Moderna vaccine also must do the same, whether it is good news or bad news. As an example....I assume the Moderna vaccine also protects against the South African variant. Hope I'm not wrong about that.

[Tmcbryan]

I believe that the words "Suggest" and "Suggesting" show that the evidence is not 100% and other possibilities exist,

[Pachine58]

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

[Tmarkwald]

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

oh boy, got the kool-aid?

[coffeebean]

She said, “LARGELY”. That does not mean “WILL DEFINITELY NOT”. Since one does not know if they are in the “largely” camp or in the “oops, it didn’t work for me” camp, we should all continue to wear our masks and social distance as recommended for vaccinated people.

By the way, i wanted to have an antibody test done to see if the vaccine had been effective for me, but my doctor would not approve it. He said an antibody test only tells you if you’ve had the virus. Since the three vaccines depend on memory B and T cells also to work, the antibody count does not provide the correct picture to determine one’s immunity level.
My understanding is a fully vaccinated person will develop antibodies only when they are exposed to the virus. The mRNA vaccines make your body recognize the Covid virus then the immune system springs into action and calls up the T cells and B cells which launch a full on attack against the virus and that includes producing antibodies to attack the virus. Those antibodies will not be detected in a blood test unless you are exposed to the virus.

If I have this incorrect, will one of you physicians help me out here? Thanks.

[Tmarkwald]

My understanding is a fully vaccinated person will develop antibodies only when they are exposed to the virus. The mRNA vaccines make your body recognize the Covid virus then the immune system springs into action and calls up the Tcells and B cells which launch a full on attack against the virus and that includes producing antibodies to attack the virus. Those antibodies will not be detected in a blood test unless you are exposed to the virus.

If I have this incorrect, will one of you physicians help me out here? Thanks.

I think you nailed it - that's how I understand it as well. It's also interesting as this month my antibodies are finally gone, after nearly a year. But my exposure was 14 months ago. And I am fully vaccinated.

[coffeebean]

Not true.....people all over the US and the world are contracting the Covid virus weeks after being fully vaccinated, two in WA died. This is not a 100% fix, so just because you have been vaccinated dose not mean you are save from getting the virus.....they have told you that from day one.

This from ABC news about those who have contracted Covid in WA........

Of 1.2 million fully vaccinated people in Washington state, 100 have gotten COVID-19 - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/100-fully-vaccinated-people-contract-covid-19-washington/story?id=76784838)

Sorry to hear that have been deaths of fully vaccinated people. The two in WA were over 80 with underlying conditions. I guess these vaccines are not a guarantee that a person can not get severe disease. Sad to hear this news but I still feel very safe.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

You hit the nail on the head. And that's the politics behind this guideline that we all continue to wear masks regardless. That the virus can be spread by vaccinated people is a myth to perpetuate mask wearing by everyone, in my opinion.

Otherwise, if vaccinated people stopped wearing masks, so would some unvaccinated people, because we don't know who's received the vaccines and who hasn't. The only way to keep unvaccinated people masked is to say that everyone can still carry the virus and pass it on whether they've been vaccinated or not.

Nothing is ever as it seems.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

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Having difficulty quoting a post and it quoting properly. I've tried twice and I give up.

[Stu from NYC]

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

When the vaccine is about 95% effective it is more than a crap shoot.

[tuccillo]

Not true, the developers have a very good idea of how effective the vaccines are on people. They run clinical trials with a sufficient sample size that they can perform statistically significant hypothesis testing. The Pfizer and Moderna trials showed that the probability of experiencing symptoms (check the trial reports for the exact definitions) is reduced by 20x when compared to the control group (no vaccine). There is no crap shoot involved. The probability that you will experience severe disease if you are vaccinated is essentially reduced to zero.

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

[Pairadocs]

[QUOTE=DeanFL;1924674]I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

You're "confused" ? Well, that is exactly what you are supposed to be. In any community or any language it's call CYA. The point in NOT to be wrong under any circumstances and, at all costs, protect your own rise to "prominence" in your field. It's the most common stance today rather in medicine, research, academia, or business fields, and, if that is your career goal, it is VERY important to understand how to negotiate this mine field.

While it was once true, people do not "accidentally", through their own dedicated work or natural ability, become "THE" top expert in their field; such as Anthony Fauci, at $418K, the highest paid government employee in 2019, more than the U. S. president. Not an accident of "fate", it's a planned career path that requires planning and many mentors beginning in graduate school (usually post M.S. or M.A. level, but not always). It also involves hiring a public relations person or firm to "push" your research and publications once you have managed to get a few things published in the various related journals in your field. It all has to be carefully choreographed now.

Of course an obscure oceanographer, or bio-chemist, or space engineer can still make an outstanding discovery and instantly rise to national prominence, but today's path is more typically a carefully developed plan much like entertainers and actors follow to reach "stardom", and involving professional public relations firms, agents, etc. Same for the biggest name authors, not just a serious of fortunate "accidents" any more if you wish to progress to the top of your profession.

Unfortunately, it is up to each individual to recognize this and try not to be "confused". It is regrettable that such useful skills as: logical analysis, recognition of propaganda (remember, "good or bad", propaganda is propaganda, if you do not really understand what it really is you are at great risk to become confused and worse), skills to recognize "emotionally laden" language (such as in a commercial that says, "YOU DESERVE a new Buick" or fill in the blank with any brand, and the many other skills we USED to teach in public schools beginning at the 6th, or even 5th grade level. Now, no time in the curriculum for this type of thing. Fewer and fewer of each generation learning some the the most important life skills in favor of more politically expedient areas and social-cultural topics. Many are confused with what they hear today (maybe better put what they are TOLD today) , you are definitely not alone in your confusion, that's the plan !

Have you noticed Fauci's latest P.R. "tour" of the various media this week ? All centered on making sure he covers ALL bases when asked directly about the "mask thing", making sure to cover that we may well have to always wear masks, or we may get to the point that it's no longer necessary. He is an absolute MASTER of saying nothing if you listen intently to the EXACT words he chooses, he and so many others. Successful "stars" in any field learn quickly how to speak so that anything can be turned 360 at any new turn of events. One additional "assignment", next time any of them speak, concentrate on how effectively they are able to side step a very direct question they do not want to answer (Fauci was recently confronted with a very false statement he made about efficiency of transmission) and he immediately said "HONESTLY (???) I am so busy with my responsibilities to keep people safe, I really don't have TIME to get into all the things said about me."

Translation: when caught in a lie or an intentional misleading statement meant to (what ? increase my renown or my finances ?), I will simply laugh it off with the attitude that I am so important I really don't' have time to answer/defend nonsense like that. Works for politicians too ... hey, maybe he is also a politician ?

[Happinow]

There is a lot of misinformation and missed information out there. No one is talking about or even concerned about the long term effects of the vaccine! No one has a clue and that’s scary especially since they are not true vaccines. If you are interested in some medical options that are not Dr Fauci brainwashed check out Dr Mercola’s new letter. At least you will be educated and have various opinions.

Spot on...the lab animals died from this experimental vaccine. It’s just that...an experiment and we are the labs rats this time around....at least many are. Those who have done their homework know not to get it.

[coffeebean]

There is a lot of misinformation and missed information out there. No one is talking about or even concerned about the long term effects of the vaccine! No one has a clue and that’s scary especially since they are not true vaccines. If you are interested in some medical options that are not Dr Fauci brainwashed check out Dr Mercola’s new letter. At least you will be educated and have various opinions.

Dr. Mercola = QUACK

Dr. Joseph Mercola Ordered to Stop Illegal Claims | Quackwatch (https://quackwatch.org/11ind/mercola/)

[petiteone]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html

Vaccinated individuals could still get COVID from unvaccinated people spreading it. The variants are now the problem and more to come until more people get vaccinated.

[Aloha1]

Because people are getting ill from variants of Covid after being vaccinated. The stats are not in as to why this is happening but it’s been all over the news.

Not true. Source please?

[Bill14564]

Not true. Source please?

Some few people have become infected with Covid after being vaccinated. That is what the report that prompted this thread was all about.

There was no mention of variants in that particular report.

[donassaid]

Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

[coffeebean]

Read the February 2021 issue if Imprimis. The article is adapted from a speech that Dr. Scott Atlas delivered at a Hillsdale College National Leadership Seminar in Phoenix, Arizona on February 18, 2021

Dr. Scott Atlas=QUACK with a capital Q

[Aloha1]

There are people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten COVID-19

Name one

[Aloha1]

Dr. Scott Atlas=QUACK with a capital Q

Your proof?? Only verified medical sites please.

[Aloha1]

Some few people have become infected with Covid after being vaccinated. That is what the report that prompted this thread was all about.

There was no mention of variants in that particular report.

Very few and mostly minor or asymptomatic with not enough vireii to infect anyone. An awful lot of chicken littles on this thread.

[Bill14564]

Name one

I don't know the names of any of the 3,950 people in the study that prompted this thread and therefore I don't know the names of the 44 who became infected after being vaccinated... but they exist.

[Bill14564]

Very few and mostly minor or asymptomatic with not enough vireii to infect anyone. An awful lot of chicken littles on this thread.

"Very few" : that's the point of the vaccine, isn't it?

(BTW: Very few > 0)

"mostly minor or asymptomatic with not enough vireii to infect anyone" : Was there an appendix to the study that I didn't see (or are you making that up)?

"chicken littles" : Those with facts that don't fit your desired narrative?

[Bill14564]

Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Brandolini's law

[jimjamuser]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

......................................
The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html
In YOUR OWN 2nd paragraph you have the ANSWER to YOUR own thread, "the CDC said that those who are vaccinated, LARGELY do not carry the VIRUS. The word LARGELY means most but not 100% do NOT carry CV. In fact, 90% of those vaccinated do not carry CV but 10% can carry it. You may be vaccinated but you or 10% like you CAN carry and infect others. It is 90% unlikely that you DO carry it (that is the LARGELY WORD). But with a 10% likelihood that you infect your friends, children, or grandchildren - are you WILLING to take that risk. Probably NOT. Do your grandkids feel lucky? That abundance of caution is why the CDC is saying to REMAIN VIGILANT by masking and distance EVEN AFTER getting the vaccine. Certainly, we owe that to our grandkids and others. Also, the 15% that have been vaccinated need to act as model LEADERS to help the other 85% keep from spreading the Pandemic. The CV cases are increasing in the US and Florida. Florida is one of the worst!

[jimjamuser]

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.
An entire 3rd grade class at The Villages Charter School is under QUARANTINE. They are 10-year-olds.

[talleyjm]

Actually, it’s 40 and over, going to 16 and over April 7th. Two weeks ago it was incredibly easy to get a vaccine. Signup at saferestart, signup at myvaccine.fl.gov, call your doctor, login to Publix at 7am Mon, wed, fri. Scan availability at Winn Dixie, Walmart, Sam’s Club, CVS, Walgreens. Lots of options.

We never jumped onto the vaccine panic train - we never got up at 5:30 a.m. with multiple electronic devices, to spend 2+ hours, three times a week scrambling for an appointment at Publix, or drove far afield in search of the vaccine. We waited patiently and had faith. We’ve both had our shots. Yesterday I was approached by a pharmacy tech while shopping in Walmart who asked me if I wanted to get a vaccine shot because a number of folk were no shows! My husband was approached by a woman with a clipboard while he was pitching horseshoes asking him if he wanted to sign up for an appointment to get vaccinated! Have faith, social distance, wear a mask when prudent and most of all, CHILL❗️This too will pass.

[jimjamuser]

According to stats I have heard recently, the boomers and beyond have a high percentage getting vaccinated. And — hospitalizations are way down in this age group.

But — there is a rise in hospitalizations among people in their 30s and 40s.

Some of the younger age group simply have not had the chance to get the vaccination yet.

Some still think they are invincible.

And, of course, there must be a small percentage with a legit reason not to vax up.

But many others are the “muh freedoms” bunch with probably also a correlation to how much influence their constant, poison, Facebook feeds have in their lives.

When we are out and about, we can cross paths with a lot of 30 and 40-somethings so I will continue to wear a mask in public places.

This is a learning curve. I cannot figure out how some people can’t use their own brains to think this thing through and see that we are experiencing a learning curve, so we need to pay very close attention to the science and do the best we can — which is what Fauci & Co. are doing. But noooooo, some gotta go ‘round always loaded for bear.

We can get there — unless Pogo is proved to be right in this one, too.

We were recently invited to a little party later in the month — of only vaccinated guests — and that’s just fine with me — we won’t be wearing masks.

Boomer
Well, do you know if you are in the 90% group or the 10% group? That is the question! Want to risk it?

[talleyjm]

Some people just want to berate Dr. Fauci every chance they get. Thank you for his explanation which, seriously, everyone should have already known if they would just put on their thinking cap. This is not rocket science, folks.

I’ll take my chance now to berate him then. “Wee Fauci” as I call him is a political hack. And I said that with my thinking cap on.

[jimjamuser]

100% correct and I agree wholeheartedly
And I agree with BOTH Mr. Golfing and JoMar.

[jimjamuser]

one in ten chance of catching Covid after being vaccinated? Definately not that. Not sure what the one in ten is referring to..

However, the testimony was the chance of catching covid is nearly impossible, or rather no known cases after the waiting period, as real world studies show -in other works, after the successful vaccination the chance is effectively zero.
Not true!

[coffeebean]

OK, it is a bit of a slippery slope. There are definitely a few people that have tested positive for Covid post-vaccination. However, the real questions should not be who tested positive, but who actually caught an active, debilitating Covid infection. Which is virtually NIL.

So my theory, probably flawed, is that these are either false positives, with no symptoms whatsoever, or they are the ones in at 4% group that the vaccine did not take. If that is the case, who's to know?

The vaccine 'takes' on 96% or so of all people. So 4% are effectively not vaccinated, even though they got the shot.

Remember the scar on the shoulder? That's how you proved you were vaccinated and the vaccine 'took'. I don't have the scar and I got the vaccine every year because they always thought I never had it.

What is interesting is that I read a study where they were testing using multiple versions of the vaccines (mix or match). Maybe that is the key to getting closer to 100% ?

Essentially, to your challenge - nobody can prove it. Nobody. Because as long as the vaccine is not 100% effective, we have zero chance of knowing if the person who got Covid actually had the vaccine 'take'.

This is not my understanding. The unlucky small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated and do contract Covid actually are protected from having moderate to severe symptoms and are also protected from being hospitalized. That small percentage of people have protection when you consider they will not be hospitalized and die. This is what the efficacy has shown from the trials.

[coffeebean]

Correct - we know that 4% of the people who receive the vaccine are not actually vaccinated. The comment 'fully vaccinated' means that they had both shots.

The article also states that this is perfectly normal in ALL vaccines.

Of course they are fully vaccinated if they received both shots. The efficacy is not 100% and yes, there is a small percentage of people who will contract Covid. BUT.......those folks who do, in fact, contract Covid ARE STILL PROTECTED from moderate to severe Covid symptoms; they are also protected from hospitalization and they are protected from death at a rate of 100% in the trials. How can they be considered "not actually vaccinated"??? That boggles my mind.

[coffeebean]

The huge majority of us have been vaccinated for Polio, small pox, diphtheria, typhoid fever and many other diseases. Did we have to wear masks then? The answer to that question should tell you all you need to know.

NONE of the communicable diseases you mentioned in your post are transmitted via droplets or aerosols, so, no masking is necessary to prevent the transmission of these diseases.

Look up how those diseases are transmitted. I did.

[coffeebean]

I believe it is more accurate to say that everyone who has had both shots will experience a small probability that the vaccine will not protect them against asymptomatic infection or infection with mild symptoms. The vaccine appears to be drive the probability of severe disease or death to near zero for everyone who has had both shots. Of course, with J&J it is one shot.

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have a higher efficacy (80%) after their first shot than the "one and done" J&J vaccine. You can consider the mRNA vaccines as "one and done" if you only get one shot and still have a better efficacy than J&J.

[coffeebean]

Unfortunately wearing a mask became “political” early on in the pandemic. That said, you will likely see people wearing masks during the flu season long after the pandemic has been put to rest. I’ve got use to a mask and personally don’t see it any more an issue than wearing a seatbelt. I remember how people resisted wearing them. According to Google it is estimated 90.7% of adults now use seatbelts. Not required in New Hampshire.

Seriously? No way in hell is that going to happen when this pandemic is long gone and well behind us.

[coffeebean]

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

Masks do not stop the virus BUT masks do block droplets and aerosols that carry the virus. The virus is minuscule vs the size of droplets and aerosols. One average size droplet carries thousands of virus particles.

[coffeebean]

Your proof?? Only verified medical sites please.

This is just one. There are PLENTY more.....

Former Stanford colleagues warn Dr. Scott Atlas fosters '''falsehoods and misrepresentations of science''' - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/stanford-colleagues-warn-dr-scott-atlas-fosters-falsehoods/story?id=72926212)

This QUACK advocates natural herd immunity for our population. Need I say more??????

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

I'm going to take a guess that you know thousands of people. You might not be friends with them all. Former employers, former schoolmates, old teachers, old neighbors, current neighbors, the check-out clerk at the supermarket, the bartender who makes your drink at the restaurant you frequent, etc. etc. Current friends, your immediate family, all your cousins, nieces/nephews, aunts, uncles, siblings, their spouses, your spouse's family, your kids, THEIR spouses, THEIR kids, etc. etc.

So I'm going to also guess that at least 100 of these people have contracted COVID-19, some time between January 2020 and today.

Do you know what that means?




It means at least one of those people you know is dead.


But that's okay since that dead person is only the 1%, right?

[terrild53]

Wearing masks & other suggested Covid prevention measures are still suggested even if vaccinated because there are variants of the virus infecting people and it is possible to get infected with one of the variants. That’s the long story short.

[Pairadocs]

An entire 3rd grade class at The Villages Charter School is under QUARANTINE. They are 10-year-olds.

Don't doubt it at all, but just curious, how did you find out, was it in the Daily Sun ? Curious because our only newspaper "seems to me ?"" does one lousy job of keeping us informed for the sake of safety. Just my opinion. Sad when one can't depend on our own local (looking after the best interests of its citizens as it should) newspaper can't be counted on !

[coffeebean]

Well, do you know if you are in the 90% group or the 10% group? That is the question! Want to risk it?

It doesn't panic me if I am in the 10% group because I know I will not have moderate or severe symptoms or be hospitalized and die from Covid. That is the protection I believe I have and that has made me feel safe from dying of Covid.

[tuccillo]

The differences are small. Certainly not enough to worry about. The probability differences between being vaccinated and not being vaccinated is much greater than the differences in vaccines, either with one or two doses of Pfizer or Moderna compared with J&J.

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have a higher efficacy (80%) after their first shot than the "one and done" J&J vaccine. You can consider the mRNA vaccines as "one and done" if you only get one shot and still have a better efficacy than J&J.

[coffeebean]

The differences are small. Certainly not enough to worry about.

I think you may have missed my point.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Don't doubt it at all, but just curious, how did you find out, was it in the Daily Sun ? Curious because our only newspaper "seems to me ?"" does one lousy job of keeping us informed for the sake of safety. Just my opinion. Sad when one can't depend on our own local (looking after the best interests of its citizens as it should) newspaper can't be counted on !

Their newspaper doesn't exist to look out for the best interests of its citizens. Their newspaper exists as a vehicle to provide advertising for new homes to potential buyers and to promote the Villages. That's why the spin on the "impact fee TAX ON BUSINESSES" that isn't a tax on businesses at all. It's propaganda. If it's an "article" you can be 100% confident it's being spun to promote the Villages, even if it's loaded with half-truths, exaggerations, misdirection, deflection, and out and out lies. If it's a fluff piece, it's probably true, and missing any and all possible "downsides" to the topic, whatever it is.

The Daily Sun takes a very myopic view of the world. It reflects the "bubble" in which we all choose to live.

[tuccillo]

OK, fine, tell me what your point is.

I think you may have missed my point.

[Tblue]

Masks do not stop the virus BUT masks do block droplets and aerosols that carry the virus. The virus is minuscule vs the size of droplets and aerosols. One average size droplet carries thousands of virus particles.

Any idea what percent of the virus is attached to the moisture droplets? Any idea what percent of moisture droplets escape around a mask? I wore a mask in the operating room for around 38 years and had to tape the mask to the bridge of my nose to prevent my glasses from fogging. The fogging due to my breath. Not to mention moisture droplets that escape around the sides or bottom of the mask. OK trapping some of the virus in the mask is a very good thing, no argument there,
but what happens when you are done with the mask, most just place it in their purse, pocket or console of the car to be re-used over and over. Sorry I don’t have much faith in non N-95 masks that are properly fitted. Re-used masks could spread the virus and who uses a new properly fitted mask every time?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Don't doubt it at all, but just curious, how did you find out, was it in the Daily Sun ? Curious because our only newspaper "seems to me ?"" does one lousy job of keeping us informed for the sake of safety. Just my opinion. Sad when one can't depend on our own local (looking after the best interests of its citizens as it should) newspaper can't be counted on !

I can tell you for sure it's not on the Villages Charter Schools website. In fact, the ONLY reference to COVID-19 that I could find, was WAYYYYYYYY at the bottom of the "news" section of the site, all the way at the end, sandwiched within a list of links to random documents. It was just two PDF files from the state department of education, the most recent being a waiver of strict controls over re-opening the schools.

So much for the Villages caring about...

anyone at all.

If they really cared there would be a banner at the top of every single Charter School webpage, that contained a hyperlink to "current COVID policy" of the schools and a phone number to call in case you think your child might be infected, and any current or recent quarantines.

[mlmarr1]

Control....all about control
Not in my watch..

[mrf6969]

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nope - the question is - if one is fully vaccinated (as we are) and two weeks after SCIENCE shows what SHE said...

Why are WE (such as I believe that almost 50% of TVrs vaccinated now) told to wear masks, avoid travel, 6' distance and all the other stuff? Oh - perhaps to show "our patriotism" as someone says all the time...


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It is because they still want to control us....The goal posts will just keep on a moving....

[Tmarkwald]

Spot on...the lab animals died from this experimental vaccine. It’s just that...an experiment and we are the labs rats this time around....at least many are. Those who have done their homework know not to get it.

And you are responding to someone else quoting misinformation?

That kind of an attitude results in fatalities. Please cease and desist with the fake news.

And those that have done their homework - over 56million in the US so far, are doing just fine without those conspiracy theory comments..

And, please quote sources if you make wild and outlandish claims ...

[Tmarkwald]

Vaccinated individuals could still get COVID from unvaccinated people spreading it.

No they cannot.

Anyone who has been fully vaccinated and is not in that 4% group, cannot get, or give, the virus at all.

But nobody knows who is in that 4% group..

[Tmarkwald]

I don't know the names of any of the 3,950 people in the study that prompted this thread and therefore I don't know the names of the 44 who became infected after being vaccinated... but they exist.

Nobody on here does, for sure. But 44 out of the possible 158 means that nearly a third of the vulnerable got infected.

That is why we get vaccinated - to keep that number low.

158 is 4% of the total, and the expected number where the vaccine is ineffective...

[Tmarkwald]

Not true!


huh?

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Amazing! We have so many epidemiologists on this site! Cool!

Hmmmm...... I think the original post asked something about why Fauci was saying everyone should just wear a mask even after fully vaccinated?

Fauci should have never ever been assigned to this in the first place....... and history will show what a mistake it was to appoint and retain someone like this to this problem - when we have so many wonderful experts and thought-leaders in premier institutions around the world - current and practicing experts that are so much better at communicating and fostering trust......

Seriously, if I was in charge - I would have never appointed or retained him - and I doubt if I would have even considered consulting him - especially with his conflicting advice. Why do people and leaders think he is the ‘end all’ and ‘know all’? Heck - I wouldn’t even want his advice if he made a house call for no charge. If he is the one and only expert on the face of the earth ..... we are doomed - and getting a vaccine or wearing masks really will make no difference.

[Beyond The Wall]

If you add in the people who already were sick from the WuFlu, those who had it and didn’t get sick, those who naturally fight it off, % of people who are carriers drops dramatically. It’s over control freaks.

[BigHoss18]

Maintain public fear and control! Period.

[Gunny2403]

Rochelle is out of her league.

[Girlcopper]

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus' (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html)

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1376950399232573442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1376950399232573442%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fcdc-director-data-suggests-vaccinated-185100232.html
Because no one knows who is vaccinated and who isnt. We dont wear signs around our neck. Plus, just because youre vaccinated doesnt mean you cant get the virus or be a carrier. It just means you will get a milder case. Just wear your mask and distance as required and it saves all the debating about it

[taruffi57]

Just follow Dr. Fauci. He'll straighten it all out for you.............

[Pat2015]

90% of the population being vaccinated is never going to happen.

[Pat2015]

That’s not fake news. The fact is that the vaccines are experimental and we are lab rats to an extent due to the limited testing done and the lack of FDA approval for the vaccines. Personal choice as to whether or not to get vaccinated, and those who choose not to get vaccinated point to the lack of data testing and long term effects. That’s their choice.

[coffeebean]

OK, fine, tell me what your point is.

My point is that the J&J is being touted as the "one and done" vaccine. OK, I get that BUT.......the Moderna and Pfizer can ALSO BE ONE AND DONE vaccines and they STILL have a better efficacies than the J&J vaccine and only one shot.

The only reason that I can see for anyone to get the J&J vaccine is if that person is leery of the mRNA technology of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. As for J&J being the "one and done" vaccine, that should not be a part of the equation because the Moderna and Pfizer can also be one and done with a BETTER efficacy than the J&J.

Hope that makes my point clearer.

[coffeebean]

Any idea what percent of the virus is attached to the moisture droplets? Any idea what percent of moisture droplets escape around a mask? I wore a mask in the operating room for around 38 years and had to tape the mask to the bridge of my nose to prevent my glasses from fogging. The fogging due to my breath. Not to mention moisture droplets that escape around the sides or bottom of the mask. OK trapping some of the virus in the mask is a very good thing, no argument there,
but what happens when you are done with the mask, most just place it in their purse, pocket or console of the car to be re-used over and over. Sorry I don’t have much faith in non N-95 masks that are properly fitted. Re-used masks could spread the virus and who uses a new properly fitted mask every time?
I see your point but a mask is still better than no mask no matter how you slice it. BTW, my mask never fogs my glasses and I do not wear an N95 mask. It is up to the person who is doing the best they can to keep their germs to themselves to wear a mask that does not have gaps all over the place. It is also mindful of people to wear their mask properly over their nose and mouth. Leaving the nose exposed when wearing a mask is like thumbing their nose at the world. Why bother?

All my opinion, of course.

[coffeebean]

And you are responding to someone else quoting misinformation?

That kind of an attitude results in fatalities. Please cease and desist with the fake news.

And those that have done their homework - over 56million in the US so far, are doing just fine without those conspiracy theory comments..

And, please quote sources if you make wild and outlandish claims ...

Lab animals dying from experiments? Well, isn't that what lab animals are for? They are the true guinea pigs. It doesn't bother me in the least if lab animals were harmed or died during experiments to develop any medication or vaccine. That is their job. PETA will probably hate me for saying that but it is true.

Let the lab animals die in development of life saving medications and vaccines so human beings can LIVE. That is the order of life as I see it.

[coffeebean]

Nobody on here does, for sure. But 44 out of the possible 158 means that nearly a third of the vulnerable got infected.

That is why we get vaccinated - to keep that number low.

158 is 4% of the total, and the expected number where the vaccine is ineffective...

But, that 158 that did contract Covid after being fully vaccinated did not experience severe symptoms and require hospitalization and did not die. That is my understanding of the efficacy rating of 94% with Moderna and 95% with Pfizer in the trials.

Am I understanding those efficacy ratings incorrectly?

[tuccillo]

No, a reason a person might want to get the J&J is because it is only a single shot or it is more readily available in their location. For a variety of reasons, it may be problematic for them to get a second shot of Pfizer or Moderna. Suggesting that anyone only get a single shot of the Pfizer or Moderna is silly - you do not know more than the developers and clearly the vaccine is designed to have two shots. I have not heard anyone suggest that the Pfizer or Moderna should be used as a single shot. There have been suggestions that the second shot could be delayed more than 3-4 weeks.

Any comparisons of efficacy between Pfizer/Moderna and J&J, regardless of the number of shots or Pfizer/Moderna, is meaningless. Stating that a single shot of Pfizer/Moderna is more effective than J&J is simply not a valid statement. The definition of a "positive" result during the trials, which was used for the efficacy calculation, was not the same for the trials of Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. Nor was the timeframe of the trials or the populations that were used in the trials or the age profiles of those in the trials or the coronavirus variants that may have been in the populations of the trials. The best anyone can reasonably state is that the two-shot Pfizer and Moderna vaccines appear to be as effective as the single shot J&J in preventing serious disease or death. Health professionals have gone on record as stating that you should make your choice of vaccine based on whichever one you have faster access to.

My point is that the J&J is being touted as the "one and done" vaccine. OK, I get that BUT.......the Moderna and Pfizer can ALSO BE ONE AND DONE vaccines and they STILL have a better efficacies than the J&J vaccine and only one shot.

The only reason that I can see for anyone to get the J&J vaccine is if that person is leery of the mRNA technology of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. As for J&J being the "one and done" vaccine, that should not be a part of the equation because the Moderna and Pfizer can also be one and done with a BETTER efficacy than the J&J.

Hope that makes my point clearer.

[dlspiess]

Did you see or read the CDC Director and the science behind it? If someone wants protection at this point, stay home.

Florida 50+ are eligible for vaccination, so no more excuses for anyone.

Dominoes delivers....

Florida just opened up vaccines to anyone 18 and older. 16 and 17 years old need parental consent

[dms4rn]

Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple

[Spalumbos62]

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.


I literally just saw that the virus surge is up 230% in kids under 12.

Its so difficult, we all should mask until......?
The surge to the little ones is probably from all the grand parents that thought they were safe to visit. 🤷*♀️

[Mardarlowe]

I will get vaccination but difficult to watch Dr. Fuji admire himself every day.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple

1. Fauci gets paid whether he's right or wrong. He has nothing to lose by being truthful about what he knows.
2. Being a volunteer librarian in a childrens' hospital makes you a hospital worker, but it doesn't qualify you to know anything about virii, or vaccines.

[tvbound]

Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple


"Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci)"

Where in the world did you read or hear, that Dr. Fauci has any financial stake, in any vaccine?

[tuccillo]

A couple of questions:

1) Since you stated that you work in healthcare, presumably for the purpose of attempting to establish yourself as a reliable source of information, it is certainly reasonable for us to know exactly what your position is and your education. Please provide both.

2) Questions about the vaccines, both the mRNA based Pfizer and Modern vaccines and the adenovirus virus based J&J vaccine, impacting DNA have been debunked. Do you have a reputable source to suggest otherwise?

Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple

[Spalumbos62]

"I really think that Darwin will weed out those that refuse the vaccine and we'll be left with those that survived."

...I really think that those that have received the vaccine may, at some time in the future, be weeded out by some virus variant because their natural immune system was compromised by the vaccine, and we'll be left with those healthy folks with a robust immune system that did not need, nor want, the vaccine.[/QUOTE]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣......oh, that was a good one.

[NHsnow1]

Fauci needs to remain relevant. This Administration walks all over the CDC statements. They need to speak with one voice so the public has the knowledge to make the best decisions going forward.

[Challenger]

Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

Yes , I agree, and you can see this attitude in action already. At Home Depot yesterday even some employees were without masks.

[Happinow]

100% agree.

[Happinow]

100% agree. The government is like the IRS......”we are here to help”. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

[Happinow]

Since this is an “experimental vaccine “, who knows what good it does, how long it lasts, if you can get Covid after receiving the shot, or if it works at all?? The lab tests failed on rats....they died, so there’s no proof of anything g yet. That’s why millions of Americans are now the “lab rats”.

[GeriS]

I don't know the names of any of the 3,950 people in the study that prompted this thread and therefore I don't know the names of the 44 who became infected after being vaccinated... but they exist.
I'll bet the main stream news does not report about those vaccinated who have gotten it again. I've read many articles that has happened & not just in the US. This is about keeping people scared, out of work & control. Numbers on arms next.

[Greg Teeters]

All I know is you people can sure beat a dead horse to death! Fauci is a con man.

[Bill14564]

Since this is an “experimental vaccine “, who knows what good it does, how long it lasts, if you can get Covid after receiving the shot, or if it works at all?? The lab tests failed on rats....they died, so there’s no proof of anything g yet. That’s why millions of Americans are now the “lab rats”.

Who knows? The scientists that created it, the researchers who are studying it, the CDC and FDA who evaluated the data, and anyone who has taken the time to look at the studies, research, evaluations, and data summaries, that's who knows.

Rats have died? I haven't seen that article/report/study but since I'm not a rat I'm not worried about those events. Now, if there were credible reports of the vaccine causing deaths in large numbers of humans, then I would worry.

Another poster said that he/she "bet the main stream news does not report about those vaccinated who have gotten it again." Actually, every time they list the effectiveness at less than 100% they are reporting that there have been some cases in vaccinated people. That's exactly what 72%, 80%, 85%, 90%, 95%, 96% all mean, some number of people have become infected after receiving the vaccine.

[blueash]

Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple

Why would anyone listen to a person who is a totally wrong spreading completely baseless rumors about a person who has lead the NIAID in the National Institute of Health through both Dem and GOP administrations since 1984, and is considered a world expert on infectious disease and immunoregulation. It scares the Hell out of me when people claim to work in health care, and maybe you do, and might actually be endangering the lives of the patients they see when they are so frighteningly ignorant of how to read the literature and analyze data as you seem to be. The horrible language you use to describe those who have the temerity to believe Fauci and the CDC when is comes to Covid is a huge indictment of your inability to separate your political extremism from facts and you absolutely should not be allowed to interact with any patients until you get serious mental health care or have your meds adjusted.

Show me one damn bit of proof that Fauci has a direct stake in the vaccines, not just that he might own a few shares of stock or that the NIH interacts with pharmaceutical companies, as they always have as part of their job. The vaccines do NOT change your DNA, You are an untrained fool who needs to go back to school if you wrote that and believe that. I expect people who are not versed in how RNA and DNA work to be confused and easily led astray by charlatans but you "work in health care" and attach RN to your screen name. Shame on you. Please tell us where you work so we can report your lack of judgement and lack of education to your employer. And you show a complete lack of compassion for people who disagree with you calling them sheeple, the favorite insult of the farthest of the right wingers in our divided nation.

[Eg_cruz]

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I was (almost) hoping that the Covid vaccine would "leave a mark" on the injection site as vaccines did when we were kids ---evidence.

Then I thought, a little tattoo, not quite as elaborate as this guy's>>> mine would be imprinted on my tongue - so if someone questions me, I stick out my tongue at them. double meaning.
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Maybe you should just get branded.......smh

[blueash]

All I know is you people can sure beat a dead horse to death! Fauci is a con man.

He sure conned Ronald Reagan and George Bush. Reagan used him as an expert on management of HIV and Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He sure conned all the established organizations and universities that have honored him. All those experts in medicine who rely on his contributions to the science of healing are all being conned by Dr. Fauci. Trump was conned by him when he selected him for his Covid team. Who is Dr. Fauci?

In a 2020 analysis of Google Scholar citations, Dr. Fauci ranked as the 32nd most-cited living researcher. According to the Web of Science, Dr. Fauci ranked 9th out of 2.5 million authors in the field of immunology by total citation count between 1980 and January 2021. During the same period, he ranked 20th out of 2.4 million authors in the field of research & experimental medicine, and 132th out of 992,000 authors in the field of general & internal medicine.

Dr. Fauci has delivered major lectures all over the world and is the recipient of numerous prestigious awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom (the highest honor given to a civilian by the President of the United States), the National Medal of Science, the George M. Kober Medal of the Association of American Physicians, the Mary Woodard Lasker Award for Public Service, the Albany Medical Center Prize in Medicine and Biomedical Research, the Robert Koch Gold Medal, the Prince Mahidol Award, and the Canada Gairdner Global Health Award. He also has received 45 honorary doctoral degrees from universities in the United States and abroad.

Dr. Fauci is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Medicine, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the American Philosophical Society, as well as other professional societies including the American College of Physicians, the American Society for Clinical Investigation, the Association of American Physicians, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the American Association of Immunologists, and the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology. He serves on the editorial boards of many scientific journals; as an editor of Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine; and as author, coauthor, or editor of more than 1,300 scientific publications, including several textbooks.

But I'm sure your ability to detect skill in a field is so much better than all these organizations. Who is being conned? Maybe it is you.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

I am amazes how many “experts” we have on this list.

I wear a mask and have gotten the vaccine - but - I TOTALLY SUPPORT (repeat - SUPPORT) any business with employees or patrons NOT wearing masks! I wear a mask - BUT I am NOT - repeat NOT - afraid of anyone NOT wearing a mask. I don’t care who has received or not received the vaccine.

[blueash]

Who wrote these words:

"I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. ... What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper"

What nurse refers to her mask as a face diaper? Does she refuse to wear a mask when she enters a room of a cancer patient whose immune system is compromised? Does she refuse to wear a "face diaper" in an OR? Is this a person with the calm demeanor you'd want in your health care provider? Is her experience that no nurses have been willing to take the Covid vaccine at all an accurate representation of the nursing profession which her post is trying to tell you it is?

Let's examine that question. Do nurses nearly 100% reject Covid vaccines? My SIL is a nurse, got the vaccine, two of my daughters are nurses, both got the vaccine. A KFF pol (https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/kff-post-survey-of-frontline-health-care-workers-finds-nearly-half-remain-unvaccinated/#:~:text=As%20of%20early%20March%2C%20just,of%20he alth%20care%20workers%20finds.)l reported 2 weeks ago based on interviews from Feb 11 to Mar 7, that "seven in ten (68%) of those responsible for patient diagnosis and treatment like a doctor or a nurse report receiving a COVID-19 vaccine," I am sure that the number is higher now as more vaccines have been administered. "The unvaccinated group of frontline health care workers includes some who either have their vaccination scheduled (3%) or plan to get vaccinated but haven’t scheduled it yet (15%)."

So obviously the RN who wrote that gem doesn't represent her colleagues or fairly state the acceptance rate of vaccination of nurses. Don't listen to her [dms4rn] when she overgeneralizes or offers far out opinions as if she is authoritative on the subject.

[Greg Teeters]

All bow to the great blue ash— knower of all medical knowledge on earth. Beat that horse!!

[graciegirl]

I can tell you for sure it's not on the Villages Charter Schools website. In fact, the ONLY reference to COVID-19 that I could find, was WAYYYYYYYY at the bottom of the "news" section of the site, all the way at the end, sandwiched within a list of links to random documents. It was just two PDF files from the state department of education, the most recent being a waiver of strict controls over re-opening the schools.

So much for the Villages caring about...

anyone at all.

If they really cared there would be a banner at the top of every single Charter School webpage, that contained a hyperlink to "current COVID policy" of the schools and a phone number to call in case you think your child might be infected, and any current or recent quarantines.

Actually it is on the front page EVERY DAY of The Daily Sun. The bottom FOURTH of the entire front page...every day. EVERY day......titled each day; Coronavirus, What's happening with Vaccination Efforts.

[blueash]

My entire family has Covid in January (we found out via antibody tests in April when the tests frst came out)

Well, an antibody test that is positive also is a Covid-19 indicator. We tested monthly, so I have, myself contributed 12 positives to the counter personally, and my family nearly 50 positives...even though Covid tests are negative...

Now what will be interesting is if I have an actual positive Covid test, now that I am vaccinated as well.

I don't understand your experience. If in April 2020 you have a test showing you had antibodies to Covid possibly related to your illness in Jan 2020 then in April 2020 you had your answer. You likely had Covid. Why would you have had any further tests done? If you had Covid antibodies in April 2020 you would have them still in May and June and July etc for some time. Unless you were in a study to determine duration of antibodies there was no clinical reason to test you or any other members of your family that also had antibodies. There also was no reason to be doing nasal swabs on you unless you had new Covid symptoms or had a need to be tested for travel or contact tracing.

I also don't understand the last sentence... "if I have an actual positive Covid test" I thought you wrote you had already had 12 positive tests, were those actual tests?

[tvbound]

Why would anyone listen to a person who is a totally wrong spreading completely baseless rumors about a person who has lead the NIAID in the National Institute of Health through both Dem and GOP administrations since 1984, and is considered a world expert on infectious disease and immunoregulation. It scares the Hell out of me when people claim to work in health care, and maybe you do, and might actually be endangering the lives of the patients they see when they are so frighteningly ignorant of how to read the literature and analyze data as you seem to be. The horrible language you use to describe those who have the temerity to believe Fauci and the CDC when is comes to Covid is a huge indictment of your inability to separate your political extremism from facts and you absolutely should not be allowed to interact with any patients until you get serious mental health care or have your meds adjusted.

Show me one damn bit of proof that Fauci has a direct stake in the vaccines, not just that he might own a few shares of stock or that the NIH interacts with pharmaceutical companies, as they always have as part of their job. The vaccines do NOT change your DNA, You are an untrained fool who needs to go back to school if you wrote that and believe that. I expect people who are not versed in how RNA and DNA work to be confused and easily led astray by charlatans but you "work in health care" and attach RN to your screen name. Shame on you. Please tell us where you work so we can report your lack of judgement and lack of education to your employer. And you show a complete lack of compassion for people who disagree with you calling them sheeple, the favorite insult of the farthest of the right wingers in our divided nation.

"spreading completely baseless rumors about a person who has lead the NIAID in the National Institute of Health through both Dem and GOP administrations since 1984, and is considered a world expert on infectious disease and immunoregulation."


It's obvious as to the primary impetus behind the criticism and denigration of Dr. Fauci and it has nothing to do with his credentials or expertise - which are impeccable.

[coffeebean]

Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci) And why would anyone listen to the government when it comes to what is best for us? You are ill informed if you get the vaccine. I work in healthcare and it’s not proven safe or what side effects it will have on your DNA. Blindly following messiah Fauci or the CDC is the definition of sheeple

Do you really believe that? It is NOT TRUE that the mRNA vaccines interact with DNA. It says so, right here......

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html)

You working in health care means nothing to me if you buy into these damn conspiracy theories.

[coffeebean]

I literally just saw that the virus surge is up 230% in kids under 12.

Its so difficult, we all should mask until......?
The surge to the little ones is probably from all the grand parents that thought they were safe to visit. 🤷*♀️

If the grandparents were fully immune after vaccination, then it was NOT the grandparents that spread Covid. Fully vaccinated people have been found NOT to spread the virus because viral load is too low.

[Byte1]

I don't and haven't seen anyone on here commenting on how efficient any of the past and present flu vaccines have/are. Go ahead and tell me how much more dangerous COVID is in comparison, so the flu doesnt' matter to you. You can analyze the COVID vaccines all you want, but the FACT is that it is one of the best vaccines so far. No one worries about the THOUSANDS of flu related deaths per year.
Here's some points for you:
COVID deaths are down
Each COVID test is being counted as a new infection, therefore we should not be even counting them; instead we should rely on hospitalizations (loosely) and deaths by COVID (also being counted loosely).
CDC says that once we are vaccinated we won't pass it on to anyone else. Hey, I didn't make that up, they did.
There is absolutely no legitimate reason for wearing a mask after you are vaccinated. If you wish to wear one, because you are ugly, I will endorse the idea.
Consider this: Do you REALLY wish to wear a mask for the rest of your lives? Because there will NEVER, ever be a day in your future where there is not some danger of contagion.
Just because some political hacks tell you to wear a mask to be "patriot" are you going to believe their word? Or, are you intelligent enough to smell BS when someone is serving it to you?
I agree that masks have an element of protection. Not much, but probably as much as sneezing on your shirt sleeve. But, I do not see these worn out and used over and over again homemade masks as being much help. But, they can be a cause of you getting it when you might not have been infected if you had not worn the same mask over and over again.

Wear you masks, wash your hands, and maintain your distance....and be good little gov drones. Some of us are going to live, while many are going to die of high blood pressure from isolation, loneliness, hysteria and panic. Some of you are going to be miserable as you are being dragged, clawing and screaming to your grave. You go ahead and live your long and miserable lives, while the rest of us live dangerously by socializing (oh my) and not wearing our masks after being vaccinated. Please DO stay home, because the roads in The Villages are way too busy with bad drivers. I enjoy getting into a restaurant without standing in line. I might have a shorter life than you (maybe or maybe not) but at least I am going to enjoy what I have left....probably 20+ years. You may live as long, but hiding in your basement like H.G. Wells "Morlocks" is not going to make very many envious of you, that's for sure.
How many on here hid under your desks during an air raid drill, thinking that you would survive a nuclear attack?

I hear that the CDC is ramping up with propaganda to "suggest" wearing your masks during flu season. They know that this COVID thing will only last so long. Good luck.

[Byte1]

Lordy lordy. How can you not be aware of the many many reports of fully immunized people getting Covid (https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+cases+after+vaccine+&biw=1600&bih=757&ei=mSxnYJKXFO-k_QbYobxA&oq=covid+cases+after+vaccine+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADI ICAAQsQMQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyBQgAEIYDOggIIRAWEB0QH lC4zQpYitIKYLXYCmgBcAB4AIABX4gBkAKSAQEzmAEAoAEBqgE HZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjSx5qC5d_vAhVvUt8KHdgQDwgQ4dUDCA0&uact=5). The very fact that the vaccine efficacy is NOT 100% tells you that in the licensing studies there were breakthrough cases.

Let's see what FoxNews has to say on this subject

Can I still spread the coronavirus after I'''m vaccinated? | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/health/can-i-still-spread-the-coronavirus-after-im-vaccinated)

Their answer is yes you can including this piece of FoxNews advice:

Sorry but "they said" does not equate to Proof.

[Joe V.]

How many on here hid under your desks during an air raid drill, thinking that you would survive a nuclear attack?



Even at 8 years old we all knew that ducking under that little wooden desk was a cruel joke.

[jimjamuser]

That's because you are being lied to and intentionally misled.

Cliff notes:

Fully vaccinated people are contracting COVID-19; Fauci is "taking it seriously"; many breakthrough cases right here in central Florida; growing number of people getting COVID-19 who have been FULLY vaccinated; will have to continue social distancing and wearing masks (LOL - what is the vaccine for again?).

Hanna Rewerts (healthcare worker) regarding the vaccines: "I don't think the public is aware that it doesn't mean you're not getting the virus ... and it doesn't mean you're not getting sick".

Pfizer & Moderna vaccines are 95% effective (but not for the variants); those vaccinated have destroyed their innate immune system and are greatly vulnerable to the variants; much more vulnerable than those who are not taking these shots. This is what happens when people ignore real scientists and prefer to listen to political hacks (Fauci).

FACT: Everyone will eventually be exposed to the virus; that is inevitable. Those who relied on their innate immune system will have a robust defense against COVID-19 and all the variants (which, by the way, are primarily caused by mass vaccinations). Those who took Moderna & Pfizer shots (but not J&J and AstraZeneca) are 95% protected from the SINGULAR original COVID-19 for which their cells were hijacked to make that SINGULAR spike protein. When exposed to the many variants multiplying daily, their bodies will simply not be able to defend from them.

I think for breakfast, I am going to go have an orange (Vitamin C), and some yogurt topped with pumpkin seeds (Zinc) and maybe a couple of Brazil nuts (Selenium) ... then go sit outside in the sun for 10-15 minutes making Vitamin D out of cholesterol. That's all my immune system needs; yours too (if you haven't had Moderna / Pfizer).

After all the variants demonstrate the foolishness of this mass vaccination experiment, it's those of us who did NOT get vaccinated that will be given "passports" for cruising / travel / etc. Vaccinated people will be the ones susceptible to ... getting sick from ... and contagious with ... the multiple variants.

Masks on everyone.

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnmN2WrU8pE)

And they can't be sued for anything related to these vaccines

Why Pfizer And Moderna Can't Be Sued For Covid Vaccine Side Effects - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJbd402xj0Q)
Lots of errors and strangeness.

[jimjamuser]

And their own immune systems can't protect them from the variants as it has been compromised by the Moderna / Pfizer vaccines. Those who took the J&J / Astra Zeneca vaccines (or no vaccine) still have a chance to protect, boost and rely upon their own immune systems for the tsunami of variants heading our way. Don't be a lemming.
Why the anti-science sales pitch? Too much Qanon in someone's media habits?

[jimjamuser]

Agreed. Even with the extremely slight possibility of contracting the virus after vaccination, there are less than 10 worldwide that have died after inoculation. Nearly every positive Covid test after inoculation was the result of someone having the test down for another reason than symptoms.

We can can only contribute our part to herd immunity by getting the vaccine. Those who decline must be responsible for their own health. We should not be forced to change our lifestyle or comfort for those who decline to do so.
The world and society are interconnected. We do NOT live on the frontier anymore.

[Aloha1]

Some few people have become infected with Covid after being vaccinated. That is what the report that prompted this thread was all about.

There was no mention of variants in that particular report.

Correct, so the poster was wrong. Also there is doubt that those who contracted it had gone through the necessary 2 weeks after the second dose for max immunity.

[jimjamuser]

The graphs fail to show reality. The graphs are based on the amount of positive test results, not how many NEW infected. If one person shows a positive result, then that person returns over and over again for testing until they show a negative result. Each one of those test results are counted as an additional infected. The test results and the reporting system are both flawed.
In Florida, the problem is undercounted CV cases and hospitalizations, not overcounted cases.

[jimjamuser]

I've been inoculated and that's about as far as I go at this point in time. I do not wear my mask unless a business requires it. Sorry, but your fear mongering does not effect me. If you are scared, then stay home, period. The death rate is receding, and now someone has decided that we have to have a new boogieman, such as a new variant of the old. I am not going to become a pin cushion to make others feel all "warm and fuzzy." I have never had the flu and do not get the flu shot. If I do get the flu in the future, I probably won't get the shot at my age. I do not care what you do and encourage you to do what you feel is right for YOU. Do not presume to shame me into doing what you deem appropriate for my life, meaning that it is actually for YOUR life. Do not ever think that saying someone is not being "patriotic" like a certain clown on TV recently said, is going to effect me. After you have walked in my shoes, you can determine whether or not I am not a "patriot." If you believe everything that the gov tells you to be factual and true, then you should go ahead and line up for every vaccination available.
If you wish to criticize me, I will be the one NOT wearing a mask in public or wearing a window screen mask in stores requiring the wearing of a mask. If you have a problem with that, then stay away from me. "Selfish?" I am not the one demanding that others conform to my standards and whims. You do what you wish to do and stay your distance from me. I am more worried about catching your "stupid" than catching a flu or virus.
Nice to know that some people have evolved to the "beyond shaming" higher level. And nice to know that government is such a boogie-man - the great Greek and Roman civilizations must have been mis-evolvements of the society of their times - as ours is in modern times. And it MUST be true that there is a whole Pandemic of "stupid" going around!

[jimjamuser]

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.
There is no truth or helpful information there?????

[bpascani]

It is my understanding that, even having had the 'shots', you can still transmit the virus, if you are not diligent about washing hands, if you get a "cold', etc. You can even get Covid, BUT, if you do, your case will be milder... SO, if that is the case, YES, you can transmit, either by having 'dirty' hands, clothes,etc...OR having the virus (very mild case), and don't realize it. SO, having already having both. I can't WAIT to see my grandkids after 15+ months, BUT, here in TV, I will wear a mask, wash hands frequently, maintain social distancing when around others that I don't know. BUT, I will be going out and about!!

[blueash]

Originally Posted by blueash
Lordy lordy. How can you not be aware of the many many reports of fully immunized (https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+cases+after+vaccine+&biw=1600&bih=757&ei=mSxnYJKXFO-k_QbYobxA&oq=covid+cases+after+vaccine+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADI ICAAQsQMQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyBQgAEIYDOggIIRAWEB0QH lC4zQpYitIKYLXYCmgBcAB4AIABX4gBkAKSAQEzmAEAoAEBqgE HZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjSx5qC5d_vAhVvUt8KHdgQDwgQ4dUDCA0&uact=5) people getting Covid. The very fact that the vaccine efficacy is NOT 100% tells you that in the licensing studies there were breakthrough cases.

Let's see what FoxNews has to say on this subject

Can I still spread the coronavirus after I'''m vaccinated? | Fox News

Their answer is yes you can including this piece of FoxNews advice:


Sorry but "they said" does not equate to Proof.

You did click on the links didn't you?

Please tell me what would constitute proof that you would accept? Would the original drug testing of the vaccines showing breakthrough cases be proof? Would first person news reports from people who were immunized and got Covid later be proof? Would articles in the world's most important journals like the New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, Jama be proof? What are you willing to read with a slightly open mind that would convince you that it really is true, completely unequivocally true that people can complete their vaccines plus two weeks and still get Covid ?

If you tell me that nothing will change your mind about the topic while I find that sad that someone could be so closed minded and unwilling to learn from evidence that a belief they held was wrong, I can accept that there are such people in the world and move on.

[stanley]

In Florida, the problem is undercounted CV cases and hospitalizations, not overcounted cases.

Proof?

[blueash]

...
CDC says that once we are vaccinated we won't pass it on to anyone else. Hey, I didn't make that up, they did.


Another wrong statement by you. You did make that up. Why don't you link to sources when you write? Because then it would be so much easier for people to fact check your false statements, or the occasional true one.

Here is what the CDC on its website (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html)says about vaccinated people being able to pass it on.
When You’ve Been Fully Vaccinated
How to Protect Yourself and Others

Updated Apr. 2, 2021

We’re still learning how vaccines will affect the spread of COVID-19. After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions – like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces – in public places until we know more.

We’re still learning how well COVID-19 vaccines keep people from spreading the disease.

Is that clear enough for you? It does not say that people cannot spread Covid. It says the data is not yet available to make a determination. That's how science works. You collect data before you announce a conclusion. Then you continue to monitor the situation as new data may alter the conclusion. It may even change the advise 180 degrees. But as of April 2, yesterday, the CDC has made absolutely no statement that vaccinated persons cannot spread Covid.

[Hifred]

Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

No this is not the reason. There is no vaccine that is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines in various research shows an approximate rate of 90% effective. That means out of 100 people about 10 are not going to be protected by the vaccine. What makes a vaccine protect all people is when everyone is vaccinated even if you are in the 10 that the vaccine does not work for no one around you will have the illness and therefore you don't get it. Even though today everyone for the most part gets vaccinated for the measles. But you will hear from time to time of outbreaks of measles caused by there being some who don't get the vaccine and spread it to some for whom the vaccine is not effective. Everyone vaccinated or not needs to continue to wear a mask!!! Wash hands!!! until the virus is under control.

[JMintzer]

I don't understand your experience. If in April 2020 you have a test showing you had antibodies to Covid possibly related to your illness in Jan 2020 then in April 2020 you had your answer. You likely had Covid. Why would you have had any further tests done? If you had Covid antibodies in April 2020 you would have them still in May and June and July etc for some time. Unless you were in a study to determine duration of antibodies there was no clinical reason to test you or any other members of your family that also had antibodies. There also was no reason to be doing nasal swabs on you unless you had new Covid symptoms or had a need to be tested for travel or contact tracing.

I also don't understand the last sentence... "if I have an actual positive Covid test" I thought you wrote you had already had 12 positive tests, were those actual tests?

I agree, you SHOULD still have antibodies. But remember, last Spring the "party line" was "we don't know how long the antibodies will last..."

I also had Civid last year. It was very early March...

Didn't even know I had it. I had a low grade fever (99.6°-99.7°) for 36 hours, along with some body aches and chills. No significant cough.

Turns out (thru back tracking), I caught it from a patient, who subsequently died when he refused to go to the ER as I instructed him to do...

I wanted a covid test, but at the time (early March, 2020) I didn't qualify for one...

When the antibody test became available (a few months later), I had blood drawn and low and behold, I was positive for the antibodies.

I had a repeat test in September, then again in November, while doing blood work for another issue (they were still going with "We don't know how long the antibodies will last"). I was positive both times...

I was going to wait on getting the vaccine (so not to take it from someone who really needed it), but after consulting with MY Dr, and doing the research, we decided I should get it, since I was a health care worker (and under 65). First shot (Moderna), was right after the New Year and the 2nd one, 4 weeks later...

My wife was finally able to register (she's not yet 65, either) and is getting the J&J tomorrow... Our main residence is in MD, and the distribution here has been god-awful!

Oh, and she caught Covid from me, back in March of last year and her last antibody test was in December (still positive)...

I wear a mask all day in the office, when requested to by stores, or when in a big crowd. I always have one in my pocket...

Is it a PITA? Yup! Is it the end of the world? Nope! Do I think some of it is overkill? Most certainly...

[Justus]

Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Spot on! Control of the masses. What will come next, once this mechanism has outlived its usefulness...

[jimjamuser]

Don't doubt it at all, but just curious, how did you find out, was it in the Daily Sun ? Curious because our only newspaper "seems to me ?"" does one lousy job of keeping us informed for the sake of safety. Just my opinion. Sad when one can't depend on our own local (looking after the best interests of its citizens as it should) newspaper can't be counted on !
Inside knowledge from friends inside the school system.

[jimjamuser]

It doesn't panic me if I am in the 10% group because I know I will not have moderate or severe symptoms or be hospitalized and die from Covid. That is the protection I believe I have and that has made me feel safe from dying of Covid.
Yes, but are you spreading it? That is why the CDC says keep up masking and distance. It is out of an abundance of caution. Note that in the US the U.K. variant has gone from 1% to 27 % and is the most prominent variant of CV in Florida. Anyway, why NOT (?) continue to mask up and stay to CDC advice for 2 to 4 more weeks - just to see if cases in the US are headed up or down? You and I and others have done the CDC advice thing for about a year now. The point is to defeat the CV not just give up when so close. Someone said it is like "spiking the football on the 5-yard line when running for a TD"! CV is not BEATEN until it is BEATEN - when the graph approaches ZERO!

[stanley]

Inside knowledge from friends inside the school system.

Ahhhhhaaa.............unnamed sources..............I get it:ohdear:

[jimjamuser]

No they cannot.

Anyone who has been fully vaccinated and is not in that 4% group, cannot get, or give, the virus at all.

But nobody knows who is in that 4% group..
I can agree with that in principle.

[jimjamuser]

Amazing! We have so many epidemiologists on this site! Cool!

Hmmmm...... I think the original post asked something about why Fauci was saying everyone should just wear a mask even after fully vaccinated?

Fauci should have never ever been assigned to this in the first place....... and history will show what a mistake it was to appoint and retain someone like this to this problem - when we have so many wonderful experts and thought-leaders in premier institutions around the world - current and practicing experts that are so much better at communicating and fostering trust......

Seriously, if I was in charge - I would have never appointed or retained him - and I doubt if I would have even considered consulting him - especially with his conflicting advice. Why do people and leaders think he is the ‘end all’ and ‘know all’? Heck - I wouldn’t even want his advice if he made a house call for no charge. If he is the one and only expert on the face of the earth ..... we are doomed - and getting a vaccine or wearing masks really will make no difference.
I don't see the point of "Fauci hating". The man gave his WHOLE LIFE to the irradiation of diseases. God WILL like his resume. The world needs more Fauci s not less.

[coffeebean]

Yes, but are you spreading it? That is why the CDC says keep up masking and distance. It is out of an abundance of caution. Note that in the US the U.K. variant has gone from 1% to 27 % and is the most prominent variant of CV in Florida. Anyway, why NOT (?) continue to mask up and stay to CDC advice for 2 to 4 more weeks - just to see if cases in the US are headed up or down? You and I and others have done the CDC advice thing for about a year now. The point is to defeat the CV not just give up when so close. Someone said it is like "spiking the football on the 5-yard line when running for a TD"! CV is not BEATEN until it is BEATEN - when the graph approaches ZERO!

My response was to another poster and the post I responded to had nothing to do with masking. I was responding that it will not panic me if I'm one of the unlucky ones to contract Covid because the vaccine offers me protection from severe disease. There was no mention of masks between me and the other poster I responded to.

As an aside......I'm still masking all the time indoors and always keep my distance from others. That is not going to last forever for me though.

[jimjamuser]

No, a reason a person might want to get the J&J is because it is only a single shot or it is more readily available in their location. For a variety of reasons, it may be problematic for them to get a second shot of Pfizer or Moderna. Suggesting that anyone only get a single shot of the Pfizer or Moderna is silly - you do not know more than the developers and clearly the vaccine is designed to have two shots. I have not heard anyone suggest that the Pfizer or Moderna should be used as a single shot. There have been suggestions that the second shot could be delayed more than 3-4 weeks.

Any comparisons of efficacy between Pfizer/Moderna and J&J, regardless of the number of shots or Pfizer/Moderna, is meaningless. Stating that a single shot of Pfizer/Moderna is more effective than J&J is simply not a valid statement. The definition of a "positive" result during the trials, which was used for the efficacy calculation, was not the same for the trials of Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. Nor was the timeframe of the trials or the populations that were used in the trials or the age profiles of those in the trials or the coronavirus variants that may have been in the populations of the trials. The best anyone can reasonably state is that the two-shot Pfizer and Moderna vaccines appear to be as effective as the single shot J&J in preventing serious disease or death. Health professionals have gone on record as stating that you should make your choice of vaccine based on whichever one you have faster access to.
The beauty of the J&J vaccine is that it is inexpensive compared to Pfizer and Moderna - it needs only NORMAL refrigeration - making it best for areas in the US like some of the less densely populated Native American Tribal areas and remote 3rd world areas.

[jimjamuser]

"Why would anybody listen to someone who has a financial stake in the vaccine? (Fauci)"

Where in the world did you read or hear, that Dr. Fauci has any financial stake, in any vaccine?
I would guess that it was started by Russian bots. That is a cheap and dirty way to wage war against an economically superior country.

[jimjamuser]

Why would anyone listen to a person who is a totally wrong spreading completely baseless rumors about a person who has lead the NIAID in the National Institute of Health through both Dem and GOP administrations since 1984, and is considered a world expert on infectious disease and immunoregulation. It scares the Hell out of me when people claim to work in health care, and maybe you do, and might actually be endangering the lives of the patients they see when they are so frighteningly ignorant of how to read the literature and analyze data as you seem to be. The horrible language you use to describe those who have the temerity to believe Fauci and the CDC when is comes to Covid is a huge indictment of your inability to separate your political extremism from facts and you absolutely should not be allowed to interact with any patients until you get serious mental health care or have your meds adjusted.

Show me one damn bit of proof that Fauci has a direct stake in the vaccines, not just that he might own a few shares of stock or that the NIH interacts with pharmaceutical companies, as they always have as part of their job. The vaccines do NOT change your DNA, You are an untrained fool who needs to go back to school if you wrote that and believe that. I expect people who are not versed in how RNA and DNA work to be confused and easily led astray by charlatans but you "work in health care" and attach RN to your screen name. Shame on you. Please tell us where you work so we can report your lack of judgement and lack of education to your employer. And you show a complete lack of compassion for people who disagree with you calling them sheeple, the favorite insult of the farthest of the right wingers in our divided nation.
Poetry to my ears!!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

He sure conned Ronald Reagan and George Bush. Reagan used him as an expert on management of HIV and Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He sure conned all the established organizations and universities that have honored him. All those experts in medicine who rely on his contributions to the science of healing are all being conned by Dr. Fauci. Trump was conned by him when he selected him for his Covid team. Who is Dr. Fauci?



But I'm sure your ability to detect skill in a field is so much better than all these organizations. Who is being conned? Maybe it is you.
Blueash - the modern Socrates!!!!!