For all of our science loving friends…..

[Gulfcoast]

We will never agree about this. Children have shown to have 100% efficacy with this vaccine. Why wouldn't a parent want their child to be protected? It makes zero sense to me that they would prefer to worry that their child may contract Covid and also may suffer long term problems because of having the disease. There is also that phenomenon that children suffer with skin rashing and turning beat red. I don't remember what it is called but is looks nasty as hell. BTW.....children have died of Covid.

The small number of children who have died from Covid also had significant health issues which greatly contributed to their deaths. For kids that fall into the high risk category, the choice to vaccinate or not is going to be a different equation based on their own personal risk factors.

But most kids fall into a very low to no risk category from this particular virus. Like I said earlier, if kids were dropping like flies in the state of Florida, the media would be all over that. But kids have been doing just fine going back to school, participating in sports and other extracurricular activities along with PT service industry jobs. The kids in Florida have been exposed to viruses and bacteria all year long which actually makes their immune systems stronger.

When it comes to my kids, I'm more worried about strep than Covid. For most kids, Covid is more or less a cold.

[Swoop]

We will never agree about this. Children have shown to have 100% efficacy with this vaccine. Why wouldn't a parent want their child to be protected? It makes zero sense to me that they would prefer to worry that their child may contract Covid and also may suffer long term problems because of having the disease. There is also that phenomenon that children suffer with skin rashing and turning beat red. I don't remember what it is called but is looks nasty as hell. BTW.....children have died of Covid.
If it turns out that recipients of mRNA vaccines are more prone to cancer, or some other immune issues, would it have been worth it to have vaccinated those who weren’t at risk?!?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Kids have a low risk of contracting the virus and having severe symptoms. Kids, will however, transmit the virus to others which will perpetuate this pandemic. The more people who are vaccinated, the closer we can reach herd immunity SAFELY. It is all about squelching hosts for this virus to latch onto and mutate and create more variants that the world will have to deal with. Kids need to be vaccinated to assist in our country getting to herd immunity.

Regarding deaths as a direct result of the vaccine, I would imagine there are those who were not able to tolerate just the simplest of routine side effects. The elderly sometimes, so close to death to begin with, could die just from flu like symptoms. The mRNA vaccines have been determined to be extremely safe and I'll continue to keep my trust in them.

You can tell people this a thousand times, in a thousand ways, in a thousand languages, and they will still reject, ignore, or deny every word you say - and then challenge you to explain to them exactly what you've explained to them a thousand times, in a thousand ways, in a thousand languages.

They aren't interested in learning facts. They're only interested in "what's in it for me."

What's in it for them is - absolutely nothing. There's nothing in it for them. That's what you should tell them.

They're right. They should not be vaccinated. In fact, they should not be ALLOWED to be vaccinated. They should not be ALLOWED to wear masks, and no one should be ALLOWED to be vaccinated or wear masks and be within close proximity to them.

So when the time comes that they need to go to the doctor, they should not be allowed to go. Because the doctor might need to wear a mask. And the doctor might be vaccinated. Or her kids might be vaccinated. Or their mother-in-law might be vaccinated and need to wear a mask outside her house.

Anyone who has a "problem" with whether or not OTHER people should/shouldn't be vaccinated and/or wear masks, need to just stay home. Forever. Don't leave. If you leave, you'll ultimately end up within spitting distance of someone who has personally offended you. And we can't have that.

[Gulfcoast]

If the government wanted to mandate STD screenings in order "to eliminate the stigma of seeking treatment for sexually transmitted diseases", would you be cool having to submit to a mandated pelvic exam in order to screen you for STDs even though you haven't had sex since your husband passed away in '92?

[Gulfcoast]

Would you be o.k. with submitting to mandated drug testing (including a blood draw) if you have never used drugs in your life and you have no reason at all (such as a job requirement) to want such a test done?

[Love2Swim]

The small number of children who have died from Covid also had significant health issues which greatly contributed to their deaths. .

That is just not true.

[Gulfcoast]

That is just not true.

The preexisting condition is often not mentioned in the initial media reports but all of the child Covid deaths that I have heard about have eventually been determined to be complicated by another serious health condition.

[Bill14564]

The preexisting condition is often not mentioned in the initial media reports but all of the child Covid deaths that I have heard about have eventually been determined to be complicated by another serious health condition.


Many (most, all?) Covid deaths probably were complicated by another serious health condition. However, for some, the "serious health condition" was not recognized as a possible contributing factor until after the death occurred. Perhaps all the serious health conditions that contribute to Covid deaths have now been identified. It's possible. Personally, I wouldn't want to bet my child's life on that.

[Gulfcoast]

This report sums up the situation with kids and Covid:

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

Now that there is a vaccine available for the higher risk groups, these numbers should get even better.

[Swoop]

Many (most, all?) Covid deaths probably were complicated by another serious health condition. However, for some, the "serious health condition" was not recognized as a possible contributing factor until after the death occurred. Perhaps all the serious health conditions that contribute to Covid deaths have now been identified. It's possible. Personally, I wouldn't want to bet my child's life on that.

According to the CDC 684 Americans between 1-24 years of age have been categorized as Covid deaths. Compare that to 4,074 motor vehicle deaths per year for the same age group...
And yet you would subject them to a vaccine where the long term side effects are completely unknown...
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[Gulfcoast]

According to the CDC 684 Americans between 1-24 years of age have been categorized as Covid deaths. Compare that to 4,074 motor vehicle deaths per year for the same age group...
And yet you would subject them to a vaccine where the long term side effects are completely unknown...
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

I believe the term is '"Covid Associated" deaths. The CDC has stated that most of the kids who died had other significant health issues.

[Bill14564]

According to the CDC 684 Americans between 1-24 years of age have been categorized as Covid deaths. Compare that to 4,074 motor vehicle deaths per year for the same age group...
And yet you would subject them to a vaccine where the long term side effects are completely unknown...
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

Yep

[Gulfcoast]

By comparison, these are the numbers for kids and Strep A:

Surveillance for Group A Strep Disease | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/groupastrep/surveillance.html)

[Becca9800]

It's time to agree to disagree. There is no amount of fact or fiction that will sway anyone's opinion.

[Bay Kid]

And what lab did this virus start?

[Byte1]

They won't. The "honor system" is an absolute joke. I will continue to keep my distance as best that I can from others as I go maskless in every venue that does not require masks.

I find it interesting that only with Covid has every day lifestyle changed. I have always attempted to stay "distanced" from others. Covid is not the only illness that is contagious. And now folks are suddenly thinking of how they should "distance" themselves from others and/or continue to wear their masks, etc. I've been using the disinfectant wipes at the entrances of stores since they started them. I have distanced myself from others, a practice I started when overseas. I've been to countries where body odor was so bad that one would almost become ill in the same public transport. Illnesses in other countries are not as controlled as they are in the good ole U.S. of A. Same with hygiene.
No, I am not going to continue to wear my mask. I only wore it when required by a business, anyway. Now, the signs are being removed. I do not care whether or not others are getting the vaccination. That is their choice and it won't effect me when I am shopping. Live goes on and I have no intention of being scared/frightened into wearing a hazmat suit or hiding in my cellar until the "all clear" notice.
And yes, I do wonder if there will be any long lasting, adverse effects from the vaccination. However, I had little choice in the matter. I got it to protect my spouse, a person that I wish to share life with for as long as possible. Some folks have no one that they care enough about to warrant making reluctant choices. I get it. I am gambling that if there are adverse effects from the vaccination, that I will be long gone before they kick in.

[jimjamuser]

I find it interesting that only with Covid has every day lifestyle changed. I have always attempted to stay "distanced" from others. Covid is not the only illness that is contagious. And now folks are suddenly thinking of how they should "distance" themselves from others and/or continue to wear their masks, etc. I've been using the disinfectant wipes at the entrances of stores since they started them. I have distanced myself from others, a practice I started when overseas. I've been to countries where body odor was so bad that one would almost become ill in the same public transport. Illnesses in other countries are not as controlled as they are in the good ole U.S. of A. Same with hygiene.
No, I am not going to continue to wear my mask. I only wore it when required by a business, anyway. Now, the signs are being removed. I do not care whether or not others are getting the vaccination. That is their choice and it won't effect me when I am shopping. Live goes on and I have no intention of being scared/frightened into wearing a hazmat suit or hiding in my cellar until the "all clear" notice.
And yes, I do wonder if there will be any long lasting, adverse effects from the vaccination. However, I had little choice in the matter. I got it to protect my spouse, a person that I wish to share life with for as long as possible. Some folks have no one that they care enough about to warrant making reluctant choices. I get it. I am gambling that if there are adverse effects from the vaccination, that I will be long gone before they kick in.
You are, "gambling that adverse effects from the vaccine do NOT kick in until AFTER you are dead". That is unlikely logic. That would mean that the vaccine had some kind of TIME clock embedded in it, which would switch on some nasty adverse effect after SOME (?) AMOUNT OF TIME ticked by. And you would have been LUCKY enough to be DEAD by that clock time.

I very much doubt that there will be ANY adverse effects. But, to continue with your example.......If you were to have an adverse effect, then it would likely happen while you are still alive and cause a long-term skin rash, or long-term pain, or maybe EVEN be bad enough to CAUSE your death. Either way, IF there is an adverse effect to the vaccine, it will not let you off easily by coming on AFTER you are dead. Yours was a misguided statement (like many others)!

[drducat]

You are, "gambling that adverse effects from the vaccine do NOT kick in until AFTER you are dead". That is unlikely logic. That would mean that the vaccine had some kind of TIME clock embedded in it, which would switch on some nasty adverse effect after SOME (?) AMOUNT OF TIME ticked by. And you would have been LUCKY enough to be DEAD by that clock time.

I very much doubt that there will be ANY adverse effects. But, to continue with your example.......If you were to have an adverse effect, then it would likely happen while you are still alive and cause a long-term skin rash, or long-term pain, or maybe EVEN be bad enough to CAUSE your death. Either way, IF there is an adverse effect to the vaccine, it will not let you off easily by coming on AFTER you are dead. Yours was a misguided statement (like many others)!

What bothers me is this poll conducted the other day...Drs. are not very confident of the CDC or FDA.

Do You Trust the CDC and FDA? (https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/951793?src=WNL_dne_210526_mscpedit&uac=410293ET&impID=3398792&faf=1)

[Swoop]

You are, "gambling that adverse effects from the vaccine do NOT kick in until AFTER you are dead". That is unlikely logic. That would mean that the vaccine had some kind of TIME clock embedded in it, which would switch on some nasty adverse effect after SOME (?) AMOUNT OF TIME ticked by. And you would have been LUCKY enough to be DEAD by that clock time.

I very much doubt that there will be ANY adverse effects. But, to continue with your example.......If you were to have an adverse effect, then it would likely happen while you are still alive and cause a long-term skin rash, or long-term pain, or maybe EVEN be bad enough to CAUSE your death. Either way, IF there is an adverse effect to the vaccine, it will not let you off easily by coming on AFTER you are dead. Yours was a misguided statement (like many others)!
Given the fact that the odds of dying from Covid are very slim, there’s an extremely good chance you’ll be around if or when they realize the long term effects of the vaccine.

[GrumpyOldMan]

The preexisting condition is often not mentioned in the initial media reports but all of the child Covid deaths that I have heard about have eventually been determined to be complicated by another serious health condition.

Have you reviewed all 600,000 deaths?

[jimjamuser]

Given the fact that the odds of dying from Covid are very slim, there’s an extremely good chance you’ll be around if or when they realize the long term effects of the vaccine.
The long and short term effects of the vaccines are that they protect a person from GETTING CV.