Why are Snowbirds so despised?

[Becca9800]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

[Velvet]

One guess would be congestion, on the roads, in the pools, on the golf courses, in the restaurants…. During the summer months around my place it is so quiet, full timers have gone traveling or visiting. All you hear most of the time is the sound of nature. And you have all these well looked after properties all around. It is like being at a high end resort.

[Becca9800]

One guess would be congestion, on the roads, in the pools, on the golf courses, in the restaurants…. During the summer months around my place it is so quiet, full timers have gone traveling or visiting. All you hear most of the time is the sound of nature. And you have all these well looked after properties all around. It is like being at a high end resort.

But if a full-timer was occupying my house, you'd have more congestion all year long. Snowbirds don't impact your summertime peace and quiet, they're up north. And in my case, in a locale where it's just as hot and nearly as humid as it is in TV. I pay someone to look after my grounds while I'm away in order to keep it looking high-end. I too love that resort-like look.

[Velvet]

Yep, me too. I was a Snowbird for years, now more like Snowflake, come whenever I want.

[TSO/ISPF]

It's only going to get better as more people become full time residents and once the Southern half really gets going.

[Laker14]

But if a full-timer was occupying my house, you'd have more congestion all year long. Snowbirds don't impact your summertime peace and quiet, they're up north. And in my case, in a locale where it's just as hot and nearly as humid as it is in TV. I pay someone to look after my grounds while I'm away in order to keep it looking high-end. I too love that resort-like look.

Yes, the angst directed at seasonal residents makes no sense. We pay amenities year round, and use them only part of the season. That makes us bad?
People who reflexively denigrate seasonal residents seem to conveniently forget that if we hung around year-round, as they do, then the winter congestion they so despise would be the status quo 12 months per year.

Sure, I'd love to live someplace where 70% of the expenses are paid by people who aren't using the facilities. That would be great. I wouldn't complain about if they wanted to show up and use the facilities for which they pay, a few months of the year, so I could enjoy them traffic free the other 9 months.

[Becca9800]

Yep, me too. I was a Snowbird for years, now more like Snowflake, come whenever I want.

Me too, I'm footloose and fancy free to visit TV whenever I want. It's only my children/grandchildren that cause me to return to Ohio.

But why are the non-full time residents so despised by the TV full-timers? I sincerely don't understand. Do they think we're not as invested in our properties? That we have so much money we can afford to not care? Are they envious that we have 2 homes? That we can escape TV and have another home to go to? I just don't get it.

[GrumpyOldMan]

It's just tribalism. They are not part of the tribe.

I grew up in S. Florida (Ft. Lauderdale) and growing up we "hated" snowbirds. No real reason, just because they were not part of us.

[Becca9800]

It's only going to get better as more people become full time residents and once the Southern half really gets going.

Can you explain why it will be better as more become full-time residents. please?

[VApeople]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised?

Because it is human nature to despise anyone who is different from us.

[VApeople]

Can you explain why it will be better as more become full-time residents. please?

It won't be any better.

It will just increase the number of people despising snowbirds.

[TSO/ISPF]

can you explain why it will be better as more become full-time residents. Please?

sarcasm.

[Bogie Shooter]

Been here 16 years fill time. Have never despised, hated or any ill will towards “snowbirds”.
What good does the nasty talk really accomplish?
I could go on with a list of good things but………..it has all been hashed over & over on here before.
Have a good summer and welcome back in the fall

[Becca9800]

sarcazm.

oooofff!!! Yup, totally missed it. :icon_wink:

[Becca9800]

Been here 16 years fill time. Have never despised, hated or any ill will towards “snowbirds”.
What good does the nasty talk really accomplish?
I could go on with a list of good things but………..it has all been hashed over & over on here before.
Have a good summer and welcome back in the fall

I'm feeling a bit, let's say, put-out. Recently hit on this forum with an attempted insult because I'm a snowbird. Certainly not the first time I've been exposed to that feeling, but it got me to thinking why is that, why am I looked down upon because I don't reside in my TV home year round. I love my TV home, I've invested many thousands to purchase and make her mine, inside and out. I look in on her several times a day (cameras & wifi thermostat). I pay someone to routinely check her safety and maintain her outside appearance. I've not seen any threads on this issue since joining, admittedly I didn't search for earlier threads. I'll do that now, I'm really interested in gaining some insight.I do thank you for tolerating my part-time residency and want to assure you, I care as much about my TV home as you do yours.

[Fredman]

As long as my Villages friends like me I don’t care what the snowbird haters think

[Mortal1]

You've been either misinformed or have some nasty friends. I don't despise them any more than I despise the idiots that feel that way.

They arrive...not unlike the "love bugs"....then they leave...I have no animosity towards either. As a matter of fact I get to renew friendships...that part is not like the "love bugs".

Perhaps if the "snowbirds" had to wear a badge, tattoo, hat, colored shirt, etc. to let us(the non-"snowbirds")easily differentiate between us and them and could then direct my displeasure at some action they take(rolled through a stop sign, golfed slowly, made every place seem crowded...well you know). But I would not as I've lived lots of places from Japan to Scotland...they all have snowbirds only they are usually called " tourists". *GRIN*

[Gpsma]

Snowbird “owners” are part of this community. Snowbird “renters” are not. They have no vested interest here and use it like a resort. Those are the snowbirds I resent.

[UpNorth]

Snowbirds are lucky enough to have a place to go where it's generally cooler and more interesting than living in The Villages year round. So there may be an element of jealousy in the mind of the snowbird hater.

[Davonu]

Snowbird haters are imo a very small minority of full time residents. ToTV is like any other forum or social media…a small number spew their venom far more than the people who are comfortable with a situation or topic.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm feeling a bit, let's say, put-out. Recently hit on this forum with an attempted insult because I'm a snowbird. Certainly not the first time I've been exposed to that feeling, but it got me to thinking why is that, why am I looked down upon because I don't reside in my TV home year round. I love my TV home, I've invested many thousands to purchase and make her mine, inside and out. I look in on her several times a day (cameras & wifi thermostat). I pay someone to routinely check her safety and maintain her outside appearance. I've not seen any threads on this issue since joining, admittedly I didn't search for earlier threads. I'll do that now, I'm really interested in gaining some insight.I do thank you for tolerating my part-time residency and want to assure you, I care as much about my TV home as you do yours.

Get used to it. I got hit with insults (often veiled in syrupy sweet "friendly" advice) when I was looking for help in deciding where in the Villages we wanted to live. They were because I didn't live here yet, so I shouldn't be concerned about anything, everything is perfect, this is a wonderful place to live, and basically every concern I had was either dismissed entirely, or "advised" with veiled insults about my ignorance.

Then, we found a place, and I was insulted some more, because I hadn't actually moved yet, so obviously my concerns were invalid.

Then, we moved in, and I was insulted some more, because I had only just arrived, and therefore my opinion on things I didn't like about actually living here were invalid.

Then, we lived here for a year (not snowbirds), and I was dismissed and insulted some more, because I hadn't lived here long enough to have a valid opinion.

It will never end. If those people (yeah that's right I said "those people" - I can dish it out too, but I dish it out like a true northerner) hook onto anything they don't like about you, they'll be relentless.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Snowbird “owners” are part of this community. Snowbird “renters” are not. They have no vested interest here and use it like a resort. Those are the snowbirds I resent.

There are a few homes in my immediate neighborhood that rent throughout the year. Most of them are seasonal rentals - meaning a single season, 3 months at a time. A couple of snowbird seasonal, and a couple are long-term with tenants who have lived there for over a year.

With very few exceptions, we've had some pretty decent tenants in the neighborhood. The nice thing about part-time tenants is - the ones you DON'T like, will be leaving soon enough.

But mostly all our neighbors get along with each other just fine, whether they're here all year or not.

[bandsdavis]

So here's my 2 cents. I think 90% of all full-time Villagers do not resent or hate snowbirds. It's the other 10% who have nothing better to do than complain about a number of things that makes it seem that way. No, I can't "prove" the % I used. It's a gut feel after living here (fulltime) for 9 years. I occasionally will have a conversation with someone who disparages snowbirds, but those discussions are extremely rare. I have been the leader for 2 large groups (150 people plus each) that have included both fulltime and snowbird residents. I've never heard of anyone in those groups who have not been excited to welcome our snowbirds back. So take the complaints with a grain of salt, and remember if you are basing your thoughts on what you read here and on other social media, you are getting an extremely small sample size, and one that in my opinion tends overall to be slanted toward the negative about such topics.

[Topspinmo]

I kind of miss snowbirds, The pickleball courts I play at are lacking players, when snowbirds are we have fun. I also miss my snowbird pool player. Why? When I miss I usually don’t get another shot. That makes me concentrate more.

[wisbad1]

Me too, I'm footloose and fancy free to visit TV whenever I want. It's only my children/grandchildren that cause me to return to Ohio.

But why are the non-full time residents so despised by the TV full-timers? I sincerely don't understand. Do they think we're not as invested in our properties? That we have so much money we can afford to not care? Are they envious that we have 2 homes? That we can escape TV and have another home to go to? I just don't get it.
Haters be hating, they hate everyone especially themselves. Days are numbered always in a hurry to get nowhere. Not everyone is like that, some are just having a bad day. Enjoy yourself!

[Tim C.]

I don't like the extra crowding during "the season" either, but I don't despise snowbirds. Lord knows they are absolutely essential to the Florida economy, but as other have said, even in TV, they're helping to pay the costs of all this stuff and aren't here but a few months a year at most. Needed.

[joseppe]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

Not really despised, but here are some reasons they may not be cared for.

This is not their HOME, its their 'play time' away from home. This is home for full timers.

They're usually relying on one or more full timers to watch over their properties and do things for them while they're gone.

They're in groups while here, leave for months and expect to return to the group when they return. Things change and the dynamics of the group changes and new permanents join.

Many people lose touch during the long absence. For many you can't really be a 'friend' if you're gone half the time. Relationships don't always do well with long term separations.

Permanents are concerned with what's going on HERE, many snowbirds seem to be more concerned with what's going on at their other home.

[Two Bills]

Snowbird “owners” are part of this community. Snowbird “renters” are not. They have no vested interest here and use it like a resort. Those are the snowbirds I resent.

Then you need to get the rental practice stopped, and good luck with that.
Wife and I have been among the despised 'Rental Snowbirds' since 2000, and have never met any open resentment to our face in all those years.
We treat everything and everyone with the same respect as we would like ourselves to be treated, and have never seen in all the years, people behaving as if the place were some wild resort.

[thelegges]

Not really despised, but here are some reasons they may not be cared for.

This is not their HOME, its their 'play time' away from home. This is home for full timers.

They're usually relying on one or more full timers to watch over their properties and do things for them while they're gone.

They're in groups while here, leave for months and expect to return to the group when they return. Things change and the dynamics of the group changes and new permanents join.

Many people lose touch during the long absence. For many you can't really be a 'friend' if you're gone half the time. Relationships don't always do well with long term separations.

Permanents are concerned with what's going on HERE, many snowbirds seem to be more concerned with what's going on at their other home.

I am guessing you have snowbird experience, about how “friends” react while they are gone. And apparently those who can afford to maintain multiple houses, only care about one home, eluding to TV is a throwaway home for them. To think that someone who owns multiple homes doesn’t care or take pride in their investment is wrong.

Out of 14 years we snowflaked for 10 of them. Our “friends” never wavered, (otherwise I am guessing they were never a friend) neither have the groups we have committed to for all these years. For the last almost 2 years you couldn’t have group gatherings, go out with friends. Did your “friends”abandon you, or groups change upon returning? Yes they did.

In all the years we have been here the only change of being a snowflake was people moved, they become ill, or just die. TVs dynamics changes everyday, for snowbirds, snowflakes, or frogs.

[Kelevision]

Then you need to get the rental practice stopped, and good luck with that.
Wife and I have been among the despised 'Rental Snowbirds' since 2000, and have never met any open resentment to our face in all those years.
We treat everything and everyone with the same respect as we would like ourselves to be treated, and have never seen in all the years, people behaving as if the place were some wild resort.
Wow, i didn’t realize “Villagers” felt that way about snowbirds? I thought it was only the locals from Leesburg and the other surrounding towns.( due to traffic is the only reason I know of, not necessarily the people themselves and i say this because i have friends who live there) I’m a full timer and when I tell people that, A, they seem surprised but B, they never say anything negative about part timers. I think it’s the minority, not the majority.

[Arctic Fox]

I kind of miss snowbirds, The pickleball courts I play at are lacking players, when snowbirds are we have fun. I also miss my snowbird pool player. Why? When I miss I usually don’t get another shot. That makes me concentrate more.

Our thrice-a-week tennis group (over four courts) gets around 20 players in the winter and six or seven in the summer.

Winter play is far more sociable and fun. Plus you get some new conversations!

[Tommyc6]

What a sad life haters must lead.

[thevillages2013]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.
You can tell when the snowbirds are starting to come back because the gate arms start falling off

[Billy1]

I am a native Floridian, I have heard complaints about snowbirds since the Forties. Until political correctness, I think in the seventies, Northerners that moved here permanent were called yankees part timers were called damn yankees. Let it go, live in love for God is love.

[Papa_lecki]

I heard snowbirds are the reason everyone has their name on their golf cart and house, so everyone remembers their names when they return

[Oneiric]

It's a perception created by having to divide the pie into smaller pieces. Seasonally, when you have to share all that The Villages has to offer with a lot more people, unhappiness results. If you think about it, all of Florida has this problem in the winter. If it weren't a nice place, it wouldn't get crowded in the winter.

[thelegges]

Wow, i didn’t realize “Villagers” felt that way about snowbirds? I thought it was only the locals from Leesburg and the other surrounding towns.( due to traffic is the only reason I know of, not necessarily the people themselves and i say this because i have friends who live there) I’m a full timer and when I tell people that, A, they seem surprised but B, they never say anything negative about part timers. I think it’s the minority, not the majority.

On this site you will find many threads on Snowbirds that are not so favorable. They are blamed for traffic, accidents, downed gates, overcrowded classes, Golf Courses in disrepair, disrespectful of anything, and anywhere, trash on the roads, although it’s seems with many unoccupied homes in 2020, trash is more evident (maybe the birds where the ones who picked up after others):a040:

There is not a separation of Snowbirds, who only use their home, and Snowbirds who rent. Although I am guessing 90% percent of residents had to rent something while they were trying TV out, building, or buying a home.

You will see the subject on social media, but not usually in person. Why, because the birds are usually younger. They have the ability to come and go as they please, enjoy life wherever they choose. So yes, you will find those who really don’t like snowbirds.

I have always wondered how do people know you are a snowbird, and it’s their fault no matter what happens. A frog can be just as rude, drive like a crazy person, (I back up to a road, Florida plated cars can be just as scary).

On this site you will find those who truly place all blame of what is wrong in their life, on a snowbird.

[Veiragirl]

Snow birds taste like chicken. Not all but ALOT are pushy, rude, drive too fast, are NOT courteous. You can't get into a restaurant when they are here. We FROGS ( we're here until we croak) celebrate when they fly back to the Great White North.

Bye Bye

[Sheltie-Lover]

The Villages are just a small representation of our country. Hate and negativity is now the new normal. It doesn't matter if you are a snowbird or not. The statement " because snowbirds are different from us", take out the word snowbird and you got the mindset of anything or anyone that is different is looked at in disdain.

[tsmall22204]

I think you are trying to stir some kind of pot. Snowbirds have a place in TVs. Snowbirds pay their fees and support the businesses. Where do you get your feelings. Why don't you explain yourself before asking others to comment on your bias.

[Girlcopper]

Yes, the angst directed at seasonal residents makes no sense. We pay amenities year round, and use them only part of the season. That makes us bad?
People who reflexively denigrate seasonal residents seem to conveniently forget that if we hung around year-round, as they do, then the winter congestion they so despise would be the status quo 12 months per year.

Sure, I'd love to live someplace where 70% of the expenses are paid by people who aren't using the facilities. That would be great. I wouldn't complain about if they wanted to show up and use the facilities for which they pay, a few months of the year, so I could enjoy them traffic free the other 9 months.
Not all snowbirds, but many, treat the area like a temporary playground. They disobey traffic laws, are rude, dont take care of the property theyre at and just act like they are on vacation instead of melting into the community. Most of them would not act at their own home how they act here. And I said most, not all, so dont jump all over me. They give the fantastic snowbirds a bad name and thats where the problem lies

[noelphyl]

Yes, the angst directed at seasonal residents makes no sense. We pay amenities year round, and use them only part of the season. That makes us bad?
People who reflexively denigrate seasonal residents seem to conveniently forget that if we hung around year-round, as they do, then the winter congestion they so despise would be the status quo 12 months per year.

Sure, I'd love to live someplace where 70% of the expenses are paid by people who aren't using the facilities. That would be great. I wouldn't complain about if they wanted to show up and use the facilities for which they pay, a few months of the year, so I could enjoy them traffic free the other 9 months.

We have been full time for a decade and we love the snowbirds for all the reasons you mentioned plus many are our friends.

[guppyvii]

I’m a Floridian and we hated the traffic and congestion but loved the tourists and snowbirds, because of them/you we have no state tax and our sales tax stayed at 4.5% most of my younger adult life.
I don’t know about your neighborhood but in mine we love our snowbirds. We do so much together that when their gone it’s a void. Ladies golf may have 6 during the summer but 16 in the winter. Driveway parties are much more fun and we miss the delicious food certain people bring, and the “dad humor” of some of the guys. We have a BBQ send off with tears and a welcome home
party with open arms. I still fuss about the traffic and tee times but I love my neighborhood snowbirds!!

[thelegges]

I think you are trying to stir some kind of pot. Snowbirds have a place in TVs. Snowbirds pay their fees and support the businesses. Where do you get your feelings. Why don't you explain yourself before asking others to comment on your bias.

Have you read all of the posts, some not so favorable, if not start at the beginning you will see why OP has their reasons

[Priebehouse]

It's just tribalism. They are not part of the tribe.

I grew up in S. Florida (Ft. Lauderdale) and growing up we "hated" snowbirds. No real reason, just because they were not part of us.

Kinda like the politics, huh Grumpy? We all need to get over it. TV is a great place for all, full or part time.

[merrymini]

Plenty of wonderful people live here both full and part time,
Full time residents can be as stupid and rude as part time residents.
I try, with all my might, to ignore all the dummies and it works beautifully!

[BoatRatKat]

I must not get out enough because I truly had no idea that the snowbirds were hated and I've been here a number of years. Maybe there's a collective sigh of relief come May when the traffic eases up but hate...never have heard anyone say anything hateful. I will say this, I have snowbirds on either side and when the one side comes in it's just like usual but when the other side periodically comes in, it's non-stop commotion and noise for the month or so that they're here. This is their party/vacation home which is great for them but it gets old for us to hear them and all their friends and family that visit too. You don't mind your neighbors having get togethers that last a day or two but after a month it gets old and we do let out a sigh when they move on.

[Ken052671]

I am a new full time resident of the Villages. I don’t understand the despise of a snowbird and honestly haven’t heard any negative comments about them. Traffic is traffic, of course I’m from Chicago so traffic is my norm. My neighbor is a snowbird. I say gob bless you for having the ability to be mobile and have two places.

[Greg L]

Just the loud voices of an obnoxious few. Most of us appreciate the financial support of the snow birds.

[Windguy]

But if a full-timer was occupying my house, you'd have more congestion all year long.
First off, I think despise is the wrong word. It’s more a matter of dreading your arrival every year.

The reason why everything is overloaded is that infrastructure is not built for the peak. It’s built for the minimum. If snowbirds were here year round, more people would be willing to start businesses. If there were enough to handle peak loads, then many would not survive the summer. The government can’t afford to build roads for peak traffic. Just like major cities can’t afford to build roads to easily handle rush hour.

If you were here year round, you would be depositing more dollars in the tax coffers, so we could build more roads and parks. More businesses would spring up to handle the larger year-round load.

Where you live up north, do you have to eat at a restaurant at 4:30 on a Monday night because you would have to wait two hours to eat at dinner time? How often are you refused a tee time when you ask for one and despite being flexible enough to play any of 15 courses at any time within a four hour window?

And, as far as amenity fees go, I think many of us year rounders would rather pay double fees and enjoy the relaxed lifestyle year round instead of being overwhelmed for a few months each year. I think most of us would be happy if you stayed year round.

[DaleDivine]

I heard snowbirds are the reason everyone has their name on their golf cart and house, so everyone remembers their names when they return
I have my name on mine so I can remember my own name.
:a040::MOJE_whot:

[Andyw]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

Only fools despise snowbirds Most are neighbors that own homes.

[Hiltongrizz11]

"not part of us"? 😧
How arrogant is that?

I wonder what your stance is on the border wall.

[Eg_cruz]

I think it’s a couple of reason
Over crowded and seasonal renters don’t help the cause
They have a little bit of a different attitude (in my place of business anyway, they seem to use the snowbird card)
I really don’t care one way or the other personally …..just prefer to work with full timers

[Seamus6]

So here's my 2 cents. I think 90% of all full-time Villagers do not resent or hate snowbirds. It's the other 10% who have nothing better to do than complain about a number of things that makes it seem that way. No, I can't "prove" the % I used. It's a gut feel after living here (fulltime) for 9 years. I occasionally will have a conversation with someone who disparages snowbirds, but those discussions are extremely rare. I have been the leader for 2 large groups (150 people plus each) that have included both fulltime and snowbird residents. I've never heard of anyone in those groups who have not been excited to welcome our snowbirds back. So take the complaints with a grain of salt, and remember if you are basing your thoughts on what you read here and on other social media, you are getting an extremely small sample size, and one that in my opinion tends overall to be slanted toward the negative about such topics.

bandsdavis and Davonu have hit the nail on the head, only I think the percentages are conservative. You have 130,000+ residents at TV and my impression is you only have a few dozen consistent complainers here on TOTV (though probably many more not on TOTV). Social media always amplifies the most negative portion of it's membership. If TOTV didn't exist, you would still have negative people but their complaints would only reach a few people at a time instead of tens of thousands. I feel bad for them since they don't seem to be happy. Sure, I have my bad days and occasionally have to vent to a friend or two but something has happened in these people's lives to make them this unhappy all the time.

Not an expert!
Not a TV resident...yet
I will now get back to work while waiting for the inevitable replies...

[Shish]

1st I'd say, it's SOME people. All the reasons all boil down to one thing: SELFISHNESS.

[Barb.callow]

Snowbird “owners” are part of this community. Snowbird “renters” are not. They have no vested interest here and use it like a resort. Those are the snowbirds I resent.

Maybe it’s just me, but I differentiate — people (like me) who own property and pay taxes and pay all of our fees are “seasonal residents” (actually, many of us come and go multiple times throughout the year); “snowbirds” are those who rent and have no personal ownership stake in our communities (it is their vacation resort). The Villages is HOME — actually, I am a Florida resident and go back north to visit a home there. There are many like me.

[mydavid]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you. The thing is, those of us who live here year around have a different mindset. Snowbirds are on vacation and they act it. To quote from on of our local publications we have four seasons, Summer, Hurricane, Love Bug and Snowbird season. :ho:

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

I have been here almost a year - never once noticed any animosity re: snowbirds, snowflakes - whatever……. Sounds like people just wanting to find yet another thing to be grouchy about …. Go out and enjoy the day! Find things to be happy about - life is short !

[Jean G]

It appears on the surface that full-time residents have more pride of ownership and community spirit.
Under the surface, it’s hard to make good friendships when 1/2 the relationship leaves for extended times.
Then, of course, if you are a golfer, tee-times become much more difficult with the influx of people in the winter.
Add those who rent their places when they are gone to many clueless people who don’t follow rules and regulations nor are invested in the area.

[Nick B]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.
You live among in folks who need a boogey man. They need to feel superior.

[Taltarzac725]

I have been here almost a year - never once noticed any animosity re: snowbirds, snowflakes - whatever……. Sounds like people just wanting to find yet another thing to be grouchy about …. Go out and enjoy the day! Find things to be happy about - life is short !

We have snowbirds on our
block and they are treated the same as everyone else on the block. With a greeting when they come back from wherever. Some of the people with just one home have time-shares and may be gone a lot too.

[La lamy]

Any kind of generalizations about people are so unfortunate in my book. I love being a snowbird. Florida summers are simply not for me. I take great care of my homes, rented or owned, and anyone resentful of my status is just a sad brain to be ignored.

[Nick B]

Because it is human nature to despise anyone who is different from us.
With certain groups yes. Many like to be around those different from us. It makes life more interesting.

[gwenhwalker@yahoo.com]

I appreciate the snowbirds helping to keep my cost of living down.

[DaleDivine]

The thing is, those of us who live here year around have a different mindset. Snowbirds are on vacation and they act it. To quote from on of our local publications we have four seasons, Summer, Hurricane, Love Bug and Snowbird season. :ho:

Love the four season analogy.
:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Nick B]

I am a native Floridian, I have heard complaints about snowbirds since the Forties. Until political correctness, I think in the seventies, Northerners that moved here permanent were called yankees part timers were called damn yankees. Let it go, live in love for God is love.
Where I was it was snowbirds were Yankees the ones that stayed were damn Yankees. Lol

[rjn5656]

I don't despise them. Have some good friends that our snowbirds.

[CFrance]

Snowbird “owners” are part of this community. Snowbird “renters” are not. They have no vested interest here and use it like a resort. Those are the snowbirds I resent.
You could also resent the owners of the homes that make those renters possible. Although there are a few in our little neighborhood who rent the same house, year in and year out, and they've become our friends whose return we look forward to.

[JMintzer]

I think you are trying to stir some kind of pot. Snowbirds have a place in TVs. Snowbirds pay their fees and support the businesses. Where do you get your feelings. Why don't you explain yourself before asking others to comment on your bias.

If you're responding to the OP, just read this forum. There is a plethora of examples of people trashing Snowbirds...

[Taltarzac725]

If you're responding to the OP, just read this forum. There is a plethora of examples of people trashing Snowbirds...

They do make traffic a headache and crowd restaurants but we could be in Philadelphia so to speak where that is normal. Or DC, NYC, LA, Chicago, etc.

[Rzepecki]

Me too, I'm footloose and fancy free to visit TV whenever I want. It's only my children/grandchildren that cause me to return to Ohio.

But why are the non-full time residents so despised by the TV full-timers? I sincerely don't understand. Do they think we're not as invested in our properties? That we have so much money we can afford to not care? Are they envious that we have 2 homes? That we can escape TV and have another home to go to? I just don't get it.

I don’t despise snowbirds; I’m happy you come down here for a short time and support the economy. But I don’t like the small group of people who visit for a short period of time and treat my home, The Villages, with disrespect. Loud, rude, entitled, irresponsible - kind of like spring breakers. This seems to all change when they become full timers and “my home” becomes their home. That’s my feeling on the subject.

[akerwin1909]

Well said! I moved here not too long ago and feel the hatred not only toward snowbirds but by anyone who thinks, looks or acts unlike the others. Who really cares what small minded people think? Just ignore them and enjoy your hard earned life here in The Villages no matter when or how often you are here!

[ronjon309]

Webster's Dictionary defines Racism as "a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race". Haters hate....nuff said.

[JMintzer]

First off, I think despise is the wrong word. It’s more a matter of dreading your arrival every year.

The reason why everything is overloaded is that infrastructure is not built for the peak. It’s built for the minimum. If snowbirds were here year round, more people would be willing to start businesses. If there were enough to handle peak loads, then many would not survive the summer. The government can’t afford to build roads for peak traffic. Just like major cities can’t afford to build roads to easily handle rush hour.

If you were here year round, you would be depositing more dollars in the tax coffers, so we could build more roads and parks. More businesses would spring up to handle the larger year-round load.

Where you live up north, do you have to eat at a restaurant at 4:30 on a Monday night because you would have to wait two hours to eat at dinner time? How often are you refused a tee time when you ask for one and despite being flexible enough to play any of 15 courses at any time within a four hour window?

And, as far as amenity fees go, I think many of us year rounders would rather pay double fees and enjoy the relaxed lifestyle year round instead of being overwhelmed for a few months each year. I think most of us would be happy if you stayed year round.

Last Winter was my first time in TV. I never had a problem getting a reservation or walking into a restaurant, unless it was between 5:30-6:30...

I'm used to eating dinner later (7:00-7:30) and most places are starting to empty out by then...

I also had no problem getting t-times, the day I wanted to play... It took 10 minutes and 2-3 calls...

Of course YMMV...

[gbs317]

I think it’s a bad rap that snowbirds get as compared to the renters. Most snowbirds like most residents take care of our houses. As a permanent resident this is my home and TV is my town. I believe in treating our homes and town with respect. Renters, some not all, on the other hand treat TV as a resort in which somebody will clean up behind them and an I don’t give a $h1+ attitude. So the snowbirds get the blame for this….IMO

[JMintzer]

I don’t despise snowbirds; I’m happy you come down here for a short time and support the economy. But I don’t like the small group of people who visit for a short period of time and treat my home, The Villages, with disrespect. Loud, rude, entitled, irresponsible - kind of like spring breakers. This seems to all change when they become full timers and “my home” becomes their home. That’s my feeling on the subject.

As opposed to the "full timers" who do the same?

[Singerlady]

One guess would be congestion, on the roads, in the pools, on the golf courses, in the restaurants…. During the summer months around my place it is so quiet, full timers have gone traveling or visiting. All you hear most of the time is the sound of nature. And you have all these well looked after properties all around. It is like being at a high end resort.

….also clog up medical appointment times……

[Two Bills]

Not all snowbirds, but many, treat the area like a temporary playground. They disobey traffic laws, are rude, dont take care of the property theyre at and just act like they are on vacation instead of melting into the community. Most of them would not act at their own home how they act here. And I said most, not all, so dont jump all over me. They give the fantastic snowbirds a bad name and thats where the problem lies

You could lay same response at the feet of the full timers as well.

[Pachine58]

My biggest complaint about snowbirds is the lack of care of their yards. By me their grass may not get mowed and gets very high. Bushes not cut. Or yard waste, tree junk is laying everywhere after storm, no one there to clean up.

[IndianaJones]

Maybe it’s jealousy- I’ve lived in FL for 49 years, & don’t need/want a home “up north”, but I hear more people in TV complaining about missing family, old friends, old neighborhoods, etc. than I hear griping about snowbirds. Yes, it’s “busier” during the “season”; restaurants & golf courses are full - but to whine about snowbirds is just silly. I remember snowbirds in the 1960’s. There will always be snowbirds - & there will always be those who are jealous of other’s lifestyles. As they say, “Let it go…”!

[Garvey54]

I think despise is too strong a word.

[irishwonone]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.
Gosh that’s news to me. I’ve never heard anyone use the words hated or despised when mentioning snowbirds. We’re thankful for all that live here. Their investment helped to confirm our decision to live in The Villages.

[diva1]

Why are you so fixated on this? I've lived here 25 years and don't despise anyone, snowbird or not? I just don't hear it discussed either. Yeah, it's easier in the summer but don't make it something it just isn't.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Me too, I'm footloose and fancy free to visit TV whenever I want. It's only my children/grandchildren that cause me to return to Ohio.

But why are the non-full time residents so despised by the TV full-timers? I sincerely don't understand. Do they think we're not as invested in our properties? That we have so much money we can afford to not care? Are they envious that we have 2 homes? That we can escape TV and have another home to go to? I just don't get it.

I find the most impatient drivers on the paths and roads during the winter months. I theorize that snowbirds try to pack a year’s worth of activities into 3 months and therefore rush from tee time to pickleball to dinner.

[Nannyof3]

It's only about 5% of TVers that do all the griping. If it's not the snowbirds it's the bad parking or the fake sand hill crane their neighbor has in the yard or the ..........yadayadayada. They can't/won't be happy. Fortunately most of us ARE happy and love living here whether it's July or January.

[RedChariot]

Snowbird “owners” are part of this community. Snowbird “renters” are not. They have no vested interest here and use it like a resort. Those are the snowbirds I resent.

My thoughts exactly.

[DAVES]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

REALITY- people seem to need to HATE. I do my best to keep my HATE list empty.
First of all it costs me too much to HATE. Secondly if someone enters my HATE LIST,
I can and will give them my full undistracted attention

[donfey]

Consider the source. Some people just like to complain. Ignore them. I LOVE snowbirds. They pay full-time but "use" PART-TIME.

[Harryandkitty@yahoo.com]

We have owned a second home in TV for 7 years during which time we have enjoyed Winter and Spring seasons. The rest of the year is spent in our Myrtle Beach residence. We chuckle when hearing complaints about Snowbird traffic. Those of you who have lived/worked in the NE or spent Summer in Myrtle Beach, know what “real traffic” is. We take no offense to the “rumblings”:bigbow: of permanent Villages residents and great pride in maintaining our Village home. Have a great Summer and Fall. See Y’all in December!

[Road-Runner]

I definitely wouldn't assume from the 'pot shots' you receive here that the posters' negativity is indicative of how most residents feel about you. I'm not a snowbird but new to The Villages and was surprised at the number of negative comments I received about what I thought were fairly benign posts I made. Whatever, as others have said some people have a lot of unhappiness in their lives and feel free to inflict it on others here. Ignore them.

[jamorela]

I don’t know any of “those people.”

[Sportsguy1]

So here's my 2 cents. I think 90% of all full-time Villagers do not resent or hate snowbirds. It's the other 10% who have nothing better to do than complain about a number of things that makes it seem that way. No, I can't "prove" the % I used. It's a gut feel after living here (fulltime) for 9 years. I occasionally will have a conversation with someone who disparages snowbirds, but those discussions are extremely rare. I have been the leader for 2 large groups (150 people plus each) that have included both fulltime and snowbird residents. I've never heard of anyone in those groups who have not been excited to welcome our snowbirds back. So take the complaints with a grain of salt, and remember if you are basing your thoughts on what you read here and on other social media, you are getting an extremely small sample size, and one that in my opinion tends overall to be slanted toward the negative about such topics.
I was thinking the exact same percentages. I’ve owned some
Businesses and 90% of my customers were great and then there was that 10% you just were never going to make happy. I’ve met a lot of people in my travels for work, 46+ sports broadcasting career, and 90% were awesome and 10% I’d be fine if I never had to associate with them on anything ever again. I live life enjoying the ‘90% people’ and don’t worry about that 10% group....they aren’t happy unless they are complaining about something or just plain being miserable.

[Guitarman1951]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.
I don't really think permanent residents despise snowbirds. Most of us have many snowbird friends and I, for one, hate to see them leave. We don't like the extra traffic, more crowded golf courses, pools, restaurants, grocery stores and shops. However their business helps keep our restaurants, stores and shops in business and provides jobs for thousands of people. We joke about snowbirds and complain about them, but truthfully, we wouldn't have near as many businesses and options to shop without them.

[Mhollowaygleasom]

Happy to report folks in our Village are sad to see neighbors leave for the summer. They look after our homes without being asked and we all stay in touch.
We all help one another out whenever we can.
Isn’t that what neighbors are suppose to do?
After reading so many negative posts, we are feeling blessed to live among such wonderful people. We consider our neighbors to be part of our extended family!

[mcwood4d]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.
Probably because we pay for all the amenities while the frogs use them while we're away 🤣...

Seriously, snowbirds are God's gift to the frogs since we keep cost level...IMHO

[jmcica@aol.com]

Thank you for asking this question- I too wonder WHY such negativity.

[ribil]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.
Other than the overcrowding, traffic, aggressive and dangerous driving, no one has mentioned the services and amenities changes affecting the full time residents. The Villages and associated businesses
revise their schedules and services when the snowbirds are not here. Golf courses are closed for repair and the remaining available tee times are harder to get, restaurants trim their menus and offer less discounts and specials and reservations are pretty much required. During the “snowbird season”, rental properties seem to bring in many more people than the traditional 2 person household adding to the crowds. Also the laid back slower pace of everyday life that all retirees cherish is overcome by the “me first” rush we gladly left behind. So I believe it’s not the snowbirds themselves, it’s the resulting changes to the life we all moved down here to enjoy. Wherever you come from, “tourist season” is always looked down upon by the residents.

[stargirl]

You are not despised by most. My advice? Stay off this forum! This is where people go who don’t have anything to do but bitch, I read it strictly for the entertainment value, and because I honestly can’t believe how miserable some people can be. When you get here stay off this forum and go out and have fun, that’s where the nice normal people are, living their lives.

[lennythenet]

I'm feeling a bit, let's say, put-out. Recently hit on this forum with an attempted insult because I'm a snowbird. Certainly not the first time I've been exposed to that feeling, but it got me to thinking why is that, why am I looked down upon because I don't reside in my TV home year round. I love my TV home, I've invested many thousands to purchase and make her mine, inside and out. I look in on her several times a day (cameras & wifi thermostat). I pay someone to routinely check her safety and maintain her outside appearance. I've not seen any threads on this issue since joining, admittedly I didn't search for earlier threads. I'll do that now, I'm really interested in gaining some insight.I do thank you for tolerating my part-time residency and want to assure you, I care as much about my TV home as you do yours.
Well said!

[Syd2008]

Have not come across this despise issue when talking with people. Complaint here and there on traffic and busy rec centers but most seem to realize a lot of the activities and the squares we enjoy are because of the busy 3-4 months.

[Jayhawk]

I'm feeling a bit, let's say, put-out. Recently hit on this forum with an attempted insult because I'm a snowbird. Certainly not the first time I've been exposed to that feeling, but it got me to thinking why is that, why am I looked down upon because I don't reside in my TV home year round. I love my TV home, I've invested many thousands to purchase and make her mine, inside and out. I look in on her several times a day (cameras & wifi thermostat). I pay someone to routinely check her safety and maintain her outside appearance. I've not seen any threads on this issue since joining, admittedly I didn't search for earlier threads. I'll do that now, I'm really interested in gaining some insight.I do thank you for tolerating my part-time residency and want to assure you, I care as much about my TV home as you do yours.

Snowbird Lives Matter.

So do their amenity fees. :bigbow:

[Topspinmo]

"not part of us"? ������
How arrogant is that?

I wonder what your stance is on the border wall.

There no border —- wall.

[gdennis317]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

Who said they are?

Just folks with small hearts and big mouths who likely are generally unhappy people.


Live and Let Live!

[Vermilion Villager]

What a sad life haters must lead.

Agree!!! Seems people are envious others travel north or elsewhere to escape the summer heat or just enjoy other places. BTW.....isn't envy one of the seven deadly sins????:pray:

[Two Bills]

Give it a few years, and the subject will be, "No one comes here any more, as TV are too popular!"

[meridian5850]

I would say the biggest reason is that just when the weather is getting really nice for golf, all the part timers swarm down here to escape the cold and clog the courses. We also see a lot more accidents at major intersections and roundabouts, (if you're going to make a left, stop doing it from the outside lane!!!) which is annoying and causing even more congestion.

[davem4616]

I suspect that this thread may have been started just to stir up the pot...but that's just MHO

we were snowbirds once (and snow bunnies before that)...all we ever experienced was a warm 'welcome back' and a 'hurry back' when we went back and forth

so what if someone wants to spend part of their time outside the bubble...good for them

if anyone ever told me that someone didn't like me because we travel and enjoy life outside the bubble my response would be exactly like Rhett Butler's "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn!"

[TomSwango]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.
Your questions "assumes" that snow birds are despised and I question that assumption. I do not despise snow birds, and I have never heard anyone say that they despise snowbirds. I have complained, to my wife, about people who seem self absorbed or entitled and appear to not know or care about the rules. But, that is mostly about speeding, parking, etc. and applies to their action. It has nothing to do with whether they are full time residence or snow birds. It is also possible that I have never heard anyone say that because I try to avoid complainers or negative people. I believe there is a parable about a person who had no shoes being unhappy until they met a person with no feet. Best wishes Tom

[airstreamingypsy]

Maybe it's just jealousy. Snowbirds can afford two homes, one in Florida, one where it's cool in the summer. Fulltimers are stuck here melting in the summer........ There's no logical reason besides jealousy.

[Darield]

In 4 years, I have not experienced “hatred of snowbirds”. With so much hatred and anger in the country, it is also growing worse here. It’s unfortunate since these bad attitudes can be difficult on any community.

Many, myself included, become frustrated by the traffic jams, not being able to take a left turn on even smaller streets, so a circle or stop light is needed, 90 minutes waits for dinner at a restaurant, grocery stores being sold out of popular products by noon, etc.

As mentioned in a previous post, the infrastructure is not built for the crowds that come during the winter months. Having said that, I haven’t ever lived anywhere that doesn’t have its problems. It’s just a matter of what problems one is willing to live with and possibly work to correct.

[DAVES]

Maybe it's just jealousy. Snowbirds can afford two homes, one in Florida, one where it's cool in the summer. Fulltimers are stuck here melting in the summer........ There's no logical reason besides jealousy.

What a truly sad view. Fulltimers stuck? Jealousy? Truth reality whatever you net worth is you can bet there are fulltimers and snowbirds that can buy and sell you.

Reality is distasteful to many

[Linda Lenox]

We have been here full time for 29 years. There are always 10% who want to complain instead of enjoying the lifestyle. I believe the over crowding of restaurants and traffic comes from those who do not live in The Villages but are in RV parks and (really don’t want to sit in the RV) all day. Have never despised anyone let alone a snowbird. Some of our business depend on snowbirds. I would say ignore the negative people and just enjoy!

[Sailohio]

I have no animosity toward snowbirds and, having been here full time for nine years, know of no one who does. If you do, I offer you my sympathies.

There is no place in my world for petty grudges and you should reconsider yours.

[msilagy]

The ignorance and the self importance of many villagers leads to this type of divide. Southern hospitality in TV is absent for many because as we know many never possessed it where they came from. One can only hope it diminishes as more and more people move here.

[Lovetocamp2]

I don’t understand why anyone would be upset about people willing to pay fees 12 months and only being here 6 months or less.
I think it makes the Villages more affordable and also drives home values up.

[tuccillo]

Try not to believe what you think.

Maybe it's just jealousy. Snowbirds can afford two homes, one in Florida, one where it's cool in the summer. Fulltimers are stuck here melting in the summer........ There's no logical reason besides jealousy.

[cbmerl]

I'm feeling a bit, let's say, put-out. Recently hit on this forum with an attempted insult because I'm a snowbird. Certainly not the first time I've been exposed to that feeling, but it got me to thinking why is that, why am I looked down upon because I don't reside in my TV home year round. I love my TV home, I've invested many thousands to purchase and make her mine, inside and out. I look in on her several times a day (cameras & wifi thermostat). I pay someone to routinely check her safety and maintain her outside appearance. I've not seen any threads on this issue since joining, admittedly I didn't search for earlier threads. I'll do that now, I'm really interested in gaining some insight.I do thank you for tolerating my part-time residency and want to assure you, I care as much about my TV home as you do yours.

I have never felt any animosity toward the part time residents in TV. I don't know anyone who speaks of them in a bad way. So, I'm surprised that this is 'a thing.' If anyone has said anything inappropriate to you or treated you badly because you don't live here full time than that person is a jerk and just let it go. You don't need them.

[BekaJayne]

I have found with age comes impatience. I work very hard to maintain my inner peace; therefore, being kind when I "get out there" and not be one of those that do not choose to maintain respect for others. I choose to ignore and stay away from those types. I do not dignify their disrespect and rudeness with retaliation of any kind. I move on. I smile, Shake it off and go on with the life I deserve after working so hard for so many years. Yes, I tell my mind to "stop it" all the time when I start down the path of ridiculousness. :) God bless all of you and I hope all learn to cope with the crowded but incredibly beautiful place we live. Have a great day! :) Rebekah

[JMintzer]

Why are you so fixated on this? I've lived here 25 years and don't despise anyone, snowbird or not? I just don't hear it discussed either. Yeah, it's easier in the summer but don't make it something it just isn't.

Just reading this thread proves the OP's point...

[Nick Kelly]

LOL I live in PA and TV. In PA we have weekenders who come from NY and NJ. Full-timers dislike them. Then I go to FL and I'm a Snowbird and full-timers don't like me !!! Don't be too upset that full-timers don't like you too much! Everyone in every part of the country would like a full time neighbor for many reasons. There are grumpy people where ever you go. Don't let them get to you and enjoy the good people. There are many in TV !

[cafw1]

I can understand disliking people who rent their homes out because renters use everything and cause all owners to pay higher bills for maintenance. The people who own rental property make money and the non-rental property owners foot the bill. On the other hand the real snowbirds who own property pay the full bill and only use the facilities part time. Disliking seasonal owners makes absolutely no sense to me either.

[DonnaNi4os]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

I think that is an over exaggeration. I have wonderful neighbors that happen to be snowbirds. The joke is that in autumn the license plates turn colors instead of the leaves. In general, snowbird season means an increase in traffic and difficulty finding parking spaces at the squares. Also, restaurants become more crowded. If that makes people despise snowbirds that’s pretty sad.

[perrjojo]

I don’t think snowbirds are despised. Our neighborhood loves our snowbirds;however, snow birds can make us grumpy when we can’t get our favorite tee time, have to arrive an hour early to get into classes, can’t get in our favorite restaurant without long waits, etc. Its not personal. Btw many snowbirds do not take good care of their property. I am thankful that most do.

[perrjojo]

Maybe it's just jealousy. Snowbirds can afford two homes, one in Florida, one where it's cool in the summer. Fulltimers are stuck here melting in the summer........ There's no logical reason besides jealousy.
I’m sorry to disappoint but I can “afford” two homes but choose to live in one place. Nice try.

[Coley]

Snowbirds are terrific--Help keep this place financially sound. So glad they can enjoy "The Villages".

[Doro22]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

Most of the snowbirds I’ve met at various clubs are great people. They are kind and respectful. The only thing that is negative is that there are so many and facilities and roads become so overcrowded.

[Nucky]

Not despised at all by us. We miss our seasonal neighbors.

[coconutmama]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

We don’t despise snowbirds. We miss our neighbors, but do like less crowds. Looking forward to seeing them again & catching up.

[Taltarzac725]

Not despised at all by us. We miss our seasonal neighbors.

I know one retired doctor who keeps looking for a Canadian about something about a World Series and a lobster dinner bet on it.

One of my favorite Talk of the Villagers husband worked up in PA as a helicopter pilot for charters. At least, that was what I thought. He could have been in some other kind of work with helicopters. She came down for much of the year. He was here on-and-off. She also lived down the block from me.

[BellaDonna]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

Although we are newer to TV we have lived in a Florida resort town (Key West) for over 30 years. "Snowbirds" pay amenity fees year round while only using the amenities part time. Can't very well complain about that. We like to frequent restaurants off season since they are quiet and the staff is able to be more attentive. I also like that we can support them during their slower times.

[Spalumbos62]

Been here 16 years fill time. Have never despised, hated or any ill will towards “snowbirds”.
What good does the nasty talk really accomplish?
I could go on with a list of good things but………..it has all been hashed over & over on here before.
Have a good summer and welcome back in the fall


Yeah..... something nice said about snowbirds.
I think it's kind of silly that people would have any destain for any of their neighbors. We do pay the same in all fees, probably more bc we are not there to fix those little things that most handy men fix on their own place.
We currently have 2 or 3 little things going on at our place that really need addressing....can't ask a renter or neighbor to fix, yet can't/shouldn't wait til fall.....ie: sprinkler head, flickering light, intermittent running dishwasher. If we were there we know how to tackle...hence, a quick flight next week.

But we are all lucky to be able to have this place to enjoy.

[chris38wise]

This does not apply to all seasonal residents, I appreciate so many.
However there is a general lack of care during season. There is an increase in the cigarette butts on the golf courses. The sand traps are not raked. There is garbage along side the road.
There is horns honking for pauses at the red lights, or in the round abouts.
There is a general rush and general disregard with some individuals seeming to feel entitled.
This is some of the reasons there is resentment.
I personally am happy you are paying amenities fees all year round, which helps to lower mine.

[Kahuna32162]

Because it is human nature to despise anyone who is different from us.


That's not "human nature", that's called RACISM.

[Al2014]

So here's my 2 cents. I think 90% of all full-time Villagers do not resent or hate snowbirds. It's the other 10% who have nothing better to do than complain about a number of things that makes it seem that way. No, I can't "prove" the % I used. It's a gut feel after living here (fulltime) for 9 years. I occasionally will have a conversation with someone who disparages snowbirds, but those discussions are extremely rare. I have been the leader for 2 large groups (150 people plus each) that have included both fulltime and snowbird residents. I've never heard of anyone in those groups who have not been excited to welcome our snowbirds back. So take the complaints with a grain of salt, and remember if you are basing your thoughts on what you read here and on other social media, you are getting an extremely small sample size, and one that in my opinion tends overall to be slanted toward the negative about such topics.

As with all social media topics including how to fry bologna.

[thelegges]

I would love to see all the snowbirds stay for a whole year. Just think instead of everyone here 3 to 6 months a year, everyone FULL time.

What a happy place TV would be, everyone in their home taking care of lawns, driving the roundabouts, taking up golf tee times, restaurant reservations, run over gates, throwing out cigarettes from their cart (I have 3 neighbors that toss theirs on my lawn everyday, not a bird). Then one can enjoy all the aspects that only happen few months a year.

Would the conversation be any different? :popcorn: would one be less happy if everyone was here 12 months, or happier.

I need to go uncover my lanai furniture and enjoy the day

[024engine]

Many snowbirds lately are coming from parts of the country where they are always ****ed off and they bring that with them. Many are non-conformists and want the rules to be like where they came from. My suggestion woyld be, if you don't like it here and don't want to conform to our policies, go back where you came from. PERIOD

[dewilson58]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

As with everything......................there is a minor, minor, minor group of people who are not happy in life and love to complain.

We are not divided..............just noisy individuals.

[Ajiveson]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

In my neighborhood we love our snowbirds and can’t wait till they come back!

[JMintzer]

I’m sorry to disappoint but I can “afford” two homes but choose to live in one place. Nice try.

"Maybe" means possibly... Not you specifically...

And if that's not the reason, what is?

[kleeh]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

I am puzzled. We have a number of winter people and they are as accepted as the year- rounders are unless they are unacceptable by behavior as some year-rounders are. In fact, we look forward to their return each Nov, Dec, or Jan and are sad to see them leave each April, May or June.

[ThirdOfFive]

You've been either misinformed or have some nasty friends. I don't despise them any more than I despise the idiots that feel that way.

They arrive...not unlike the "love bugs"....then they leave...I have no animosity towards either. As a matter of fact I get to renew friendships...that part is not like the "love bugs".

Perhaps if the "snowbirds" had to wear a badge, tattoo, hat, colored shirt, etc. to let us(the non-"snowbirds")easily differentiate between us and them and could then direct my displeasure at some action they take(rolled through a stop sign, golfed slowly, made every place seem crowded...well you know). But I would not as I've lived lots of places from Japan to Scotland...they all have snowbirds only they are usually called " tourists". *GRIN*
Well, yeah...but aren't the snowbirds harder to scrape off your windshield?

[Villagesgal]

Been here 20 years. Lots, not all snowbirds do nothing but party, party, party when they're here with little to no regard for others be they other snowbirds or full timers, this gives them a bad reputation. Some are also pushy and aggressive wanting what they want "right now", because they are "on vacation".

[kleeh]

One guess would be congestion, on the roads, in the pools, on the golf courses, in the restaurants…. During the summer months around my place it is so quiet, full timers have gone traveling or visiting. All you hear most of the time is the sound of nature. And you have all these well looked after properties all around. It is like being at a high end resort.

Wouldn't you think that a place as built up as The villages would have a lot of people and traffic? So, why would anyone buy in here who isn't prepared to deal with hard-to-get tee times, wait times at restaurants, traffic on the main roads? As for me, I have never been unable to get a tee time on one course or another...NEVER. I have always been seated within a reasonable time at any restaurant I've chosen...ALWAYS. I might not choose the restaurant with a line wrapped around the building. I have always been able to get from one place to another within the time I ALLOW for doing so. As far as traffic goes...why would I be in a hurry...I have left business meetings behind. I am retired.

[JMintzer]

This does not apply to all seasonal residents, I appreciate so many.
However there is a general lack of care during season. There is an increase in the cigarette butts on the golf courses. The sand traps are not raked. There is garbage along side the road.
There is horns honking for pauses at the red lights, or in the round abouts.
There is a general rush and general disregard with some individuals seeming to feel entitled.
This is some of the reasons there is resentment.
I personally am happy you are paying amenities fees all year round, which helps to lower mine.

The very same things occur off season.

More people means more of the same...

[JMintzer]

B even here 20 years. Lots, not all snowbirds do nothing but party, party, party when they're here with little to no regard for others be they other snowbirds or full timers, this gives them a bad reputation. Some are also pushy and aggressive wanting what they want "right now", because they are "on vacation".

That's just New Yorkers... (ducks for cover)

I keeed, I keeed!

[captboxcar]

People that complain about congestion from snowbirds would you rather they were full timers so you could complain about congestion all year. I come from a congested crowded area with lots of traffic.The so called congestion at TV is a piece of cake. Snowbirds pay full time taxes and fees which is a benefit to permanent residents.

[JMintzer]

That's not "human nature", that's called RACISM.

Yeah, that's a no from me, Dog...

"Different" does not have to have anything to do with "race"...

[Spalumbos62]

Many snowbirds lately are coming from parts of the country where they are always ****ed off and they bring that with them. Many are non-conformists and want the rules to be like where they came from. My suggestion woyld be, if you don't like it here and don't want to conform to our policies, go back where you came from. PERIOD


Please explain...

[ThirdOfFive]

You are not despised by most. My advice? Stay off this forum! This is where people go who don’t have anything to do but bitch, I read it strictly for the entertainment value, and because I honestly can’t believe how miserable some people can be. When you get here stay off this forum and go out and have fun, that’s where the nice normal people are, living their lives.
Some of my best friends are people...

[worahm]

I really did not have a problem with snow birds until I found one golf cart, owned by a snow bird parked 6 inches from my front bumper and a second golf cart, owned by a snow bird parked 6 inchs from my rear bumper in front of Two Jays. Then, I had a problem.

[aliquo]

Love snowbirds. My
Snowbird neighbors are great. Always look forward to their return.

[JMintzer]

Many snowbirds lately are coming from parts of the country where they are always ****ed off and they bring that with them. Many are non-conformists and want the rules to be like where they came from. My suggestion woyld be, if you don't like it here and don't want to conform to our policies, go back where you came from. PERIOD

What about all of the FROGS who don't want to "conform" and are "****ed off"?

[JMintzer]

I really did not have a problem with snow birds until I found one golf cart, owned by a snow bird parked 6 inches from my front bumper and a second golf cart, owned by a snow bird parked 6 inchs from my rear bumper in front of Two Jays. Then, I had a problem.

How did you know they were owned by snowbirds?

[gcollings@live.com]

Becca, I share your concern and even offered a suggestion in the Daily Sun a couple of years ago. What if TV management and business owners modeled a welcoming attitude as is displayed in the southern valley of Texas with banners "Welcome Winter Texans". Our parents looked forward to returning to Texas each year to renew acquaintances and experience the gratitude of the community.

What if the Daily Sun, business owners on the town squares, and recreational centers displayed "Welcome Floridians" banners as an opportunity to celebrate a reunion of all our residents? The TV community has a well deserved history of displaying celebrations for multiple occasions throughout the year.

[Laker14]

Many snowbirds lately are coming from parts of the country where they are always ****ed off and they bring that with them. Many are non-conformists and want the rules to be like where they came from. My suggestion woyld be, if you don't like it here and don't want to conform to our policies, go back where you came from. PERIOD

and you sound so happy.

[Tbrazie]

Don’t hate anyone. Snowbirds are great. So are us full-timers. I think we just have some grumpy people who need something to complain about

[Blueblaze]

Why are TV snowbirds so despised?

Great question, right up there with "When did you quit beating your wife".

Seriously, the closest thing I've seen to anybody despising snowbirds is this stupid thread. Like most of these complainer threads, it bears absolutely no relationship to the reality of living in the Villages. In fact, most of the full timers I've met since we moved here seem to have previously spent years as snowbirds before going full-monty.

Hey, I have a great question!

What do Villagers get out of stirring up their neighbors on Talk of the Villages?

[MaxCat]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

I wouldn't say despised. Fact is, snowbirds do very much to contribute to a healthy economy all over Florida, including TV, and many of my friends and family are snowbirds and I love to see them again when it's "in season" time and they are back in Florida.

On the flip side, here are a few reasons some might groan over snowbirds:

1. Definitely more crowded "in season" -- can't get a table in a restaurant when you want -- definitely can't just be an in-the-moment walk-in, the tee time you wanted is harder to come by, stand in line for a lot of things "in season" that you don't have to stand in line for when the snowbirds are back north.

2. Sometimes it's the few who spoil it for the many. Every season I always run into at least one snow bird who decides to "show off" their entitled side . . . "WE don't do it like that in NY" . . . "step aside I'm coming through" . . . "it's my first day back and I'm going to run you over in Publix buying up EVERYTHING I can get my hands on even if it means shoving past you to grab that last loaf of multi-grain on the bakery shelf" . . . "I'm cutting you off in the round-about because I am in a hurry (license plate: Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, etc. . . )" . . . receive the one-finger salute for going to slow at 20 mph as I'm cut you off in my golf cart because they have GOT to get that seat in the square . . . you get the picture. DEFINITELY not everyone . . . but does happen with greater frequency "in season" . . .

3. Have a visiting guest who can't join me in my weekly yoga/aerobics/water exercise class because it's full with seasonal residents . . . sigh

4. Having my backside rammed with a cart in Fresh Market because it's busier ahead of Christmas . . . when if I tried to move myself I'd have to ram the person in front of me because it's just that busy . . . and then when I look back to see who rammed me . . . I get glared out. Hmmm.

Mainly, it's just more crowded and that makes people grouchier. Plus there are a preponderance of "old, angries" in TV . . . and they are perpetually cranky.

Snowbirds are not despised . . . but it does give those who are prone to complaining something to complain about.

[PugMom]

So here's my 2 cents. I think 90% of all full-time Villagers do not resent or hate snowbirds. It's the other 10% who have nothing better to do than complain about a number of things that makes it seem that way. No, I can't "prove" the % I used. It's a gut feel after living here (fulltime) for 9 years. I occasionally will have a conversation with someone who disparages snowbirds, but those discussions are extremely rare. I have been the leader for 2 large groups (150 people plus each) that have included both fulltime and snowbird residents. I've never heard of anyone in those groups who have not been excited to welcome our snowbirds back. So take the complaints with a grain of salt, and remember if you are basing your thoughts on what you read here and on other social media, you are getting an extremely small sample size, and one that in my opinion tends overall to be slanted toward the negative about such topics.

:clap2: thank you! i think the anti-snowbird thing is blown way out of proportion by a handful of malcontents

[graciegirl]

Becca, I share your concern and even offered a suggestion in the Daily Sun a couple of years ago. What if TV management and business owners modeled a welcoming attitude as is displayed in the southern valley of Texas with banners "Welcome Winter Texans". Our parents looked forward to returning to Texas each year to renew acquaintances and experience the gratitude of the community.

What if the Daily Sun, business owners on the town squares, and recreational centers displayed "Welcome Floridians" banners as an opportunity to celebrate a reunion of all our residents? The TV community has a well deserved history of displaying celebrations for multiple occasions throughout the year.

I wonder if this poster retired from a career in Advertising. I vote no.

I was a snowbird, now a frog. I do see why SOME renter snowbirds annoy SOME folks, they don't own here and some do not care like people who OWN property do.

I do so like the summer when traffic drops and things aren't so "busy". But we have many friends are snowbirds or even come less than that, and they are treasured.

[Taltarzac725]

The Villages treasures snowbirds.


I wonder if this poster retired from a career in Advertising. I vote no.

I was a snowbird, now a frog. I do see why SOME renter snowbirds annoy SOME folks, they don't own here and some do not care like people who OWN property do.

I do so like the summer when traffic drops and things aren't so "busy". But we have many friends are snowbirds or even come less than that, and they are treasured.

[Curtisbwp]

Snowbirds
I run several leagues in TV, snowbirds want to join my leagues, the problem is they come to TV after we start play and all slots are filled. And if I do let them in they leave before the league is over and now I am short people. Many get verbally abusive to me.

[ithos]

Snowbirds are a blessing. I have rented to several and they kept my place very clean. I sympathize with the hard core golfers who have trouble getting their preferred tee times but 8 months out of the year it is not a problem.

They are a big reason why the word has gotten out and made The Villages as special as it is. The only problem I see with the Snowbirds is that there is not more of them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not all snowbirds, but many, treat the area like a temporary playground. They disobey traffic laws, are rude, dont take care of the property theyre at and just act like they are on vacation instead of melting into the community. Most of them would not act at their own home how they act here. And I said most, not all, so dont jump all over me. They give the fantastic snowbirds a bad name and thats where the problem lies

Pretty interesting, since I've had the exact same experience and observations of people who live here year-round. They don't treat it like a temporary playground, they treat it like their own private back yard where they can do what they want, break whatever rules they want, break laws if they want to, get in peoples' faces if they get called out on it. Because "they pay fees" so they have the "right" to do what they want.

Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with how many months of the year they live here. It has everything to do with them, personally. Buttholes come in many shapes and sizes, from all cultures, in every color, in every income group, and live here both short term and long term, seasonally and year-round. Entitlement knows no boundaries, I've observed. All you need is to think that your freedoms are more important than their rights, and you have the makings of a butthole.

[golfing eagles]

I know one retired doctor who keeps looking for a Canadian about something about a World Series and a lobster dinner bet on it.


And no, I haven't forgotten about the lobster SHE OWES ME because I CLEARLY won the bet. FIVE YEARS now and counting. And because of COVID she's been hiding out in Canada. My drawn butter is getting cold!!!

[manaboutown]

Many snowbirds/snowflakes are tadpoles that eventually turn into frogs. Meanwhile they pay a year's worth of fees, taxes, as well as other expenses for part time residency and spend a lot of money locally when they are down, keeping merchants, restaurants, medical practices, bank branches and food stores open and in business year round. Their presence thus supplements us frogs' cost of living in various ways.

I have resided in several areas that draw tourists. For years I lived in the Washington, D.C area and learned to look out for the driving of vehicles having other than, DC, MD or VA license plates. DC or course has circles and angled thoroughfares as we all know.

When I rented a car for the first time in Barbados I found out rental cars have special plates so locals can watch out for them. Most Americans are used to driving on the right side of the road, not the left side, ie., the correct side (little British humor)..

[Barborv]

I don't think it's so much the "SNOW BIRDS" who own a home. Who cares when they come and go! I think it's the renters that people may have a problem with, although I'm sure most of them are respectful towards the property and area. Some just might not know the rules of the road. LOL

[Bogie Shooter]

Many snowbirds/snowflakes are tadpoles that eventually turn into frogs. Meanwhile they pay a year's worth of fees, taxes, as well as other expenses and spend a lot of money locally when they are down, keeping merchants in business. Their presence thus supplements the frogs cost of living in various ways.

**👍**

[aallbrand]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

The same people who despise snowbirds also despise many other things. People that despise Snowbirds are just unhappy folks. The don't like Snowbirds , they cant understands other views and beliefs . They are selfish and not very happy.

Thats the answer hope it helps

[kendi]

Doubt there are as many who despise snowbirds as it may seem. It’s just that social media attracts the complainers

[thelegges]

But, how do you know they are a snowbird?

Since 07, you meet someone new, usually first questions are where are you from, what did you retire from, and what village do you live in. When our parents came to use our homes, never did they say they were renting. Because they weren’t, renting, but using one of homes that we bought just for that purpose.

So unless there is a sticker on someone’s forehead how do you distinguish? Do you just assume because they are not living up to your expectations they are not a frog? Have to be honest, I have played golf with some really nice people, and not so nice, scary, not so scary drivers, rude and really nice people.

Unless you ask, how do you know they are a snowbird, or a renter.

If they answer to either one, does your opinion change so much that you become the not so nice person?

[graciegirl]

As many of you know, I particularly dislike being looked down on by people who are younger than me, just because I am older. (I truly know I have a lot of annoying qualities but I have always had them.)

Here is a blog about OLDER snow birds from a younger person.

Hmmmpf. I say.

Open Letter To Florida’s Snowbirds – Funnier In Writing (https://paltrymeanderings.com/2012/02/16/letter-to-floridas-snowbirds/)

[Carole clausen]

I think snowbirds are great. I call them winter residents. Without our winter residents we could not have the things we have. You continue to contribute to taxes, amenities and beauty in our neighborhoods. Sure it becomes congested in the winter, but in my eyes, you are most welcome. We look forward to our friends coming back each year. Don’t take the derogatory statements to seriously. If people weren’t commenting about you, it would be someone else.

[thelegges]

As many of you know, I particularly dislike being looked down on by people who are younger than me, just because I am older. (I truly know I have a lot of annoying qualities but I have always had them.)

Here is a blog about OLDER snow birds from a younger person.

Hmmmpf. I say.

Open Letter To Florida’s Snowbirds – Funnier In Writing (https://paltrymeanderings.com/2012/02/16/letter-to-floridas-snowbirds/)

I’m hoping you’re holding up with sarcasm sign, because if this is still bothering you from 2012, I would think you would’ve lightened up by now. :a040:

[NancyLee]

You can tell when the snowbirds are starting to come back because the gate arms start falling off

I don't know about that. I have a good friend who is a full timer and she can do a right good job taking care of those pesky gate arms. She is trying for a personal best. LOL

[DARFAP]

OP, are you referring to "rental" snowbirds, or homeowners (residents) who snowbird in the winter? The 3- or 4-month renters may be the ones who bring the wrath of non-snowbirds for whatever reason...

[Laker14]

Years ago when I was visiting my then snowbird father, in Bonita Springs, he was driving along with his Ohio license plate, on Tamiami Trail, not really going particularly slowly, when a local in a pick-up truck roared by in the left lane, stuck his middle finger across the passenger side of his truck and yelled through the open window..." F-YOU, YOU YANKEE A$$****!!!!", to which my dad giggled and said, "Man, I do hate it when they call me a Yankee."

[Stu from NYC]

I’m hoping you’re holding up with sarcasm sign, because if this is still bothering you from 2012, I would think you would’ve lightened up by now. :a040:

I thought it was funny.

[Taltarzac725]

As many of you know, I particularly dislike being looked down on by people who are younger than me, just because I am older. (I truly know I have a lot of annoying qualities but I have always had them.)

Here is a blog about OLDER snow birds from a younger person.

Hmmmpf. I say.

Open Letter To Florida’s Snowbirds – Funnier In Writing (https://paltrymeanderings.com/2012/02/16/letter-to-floridas-snowbirds/)


That February 16, 2012 letter to FL snowbirds is hilarious.

Open Letter To Florida’s Snowbirds – Funnier In Writing (https://paltrymeanderings.com/2012/02/16/letter-to-floridas-snowbirds/)

[LoriAnn]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

Sure, there are people who hate snow birds and there are snow birds who hate full-timers. There are people who will hate you for starting this thread. There are people who hate others for the color of their skin. There are people who will work very hard at finding a reason to hate. Some people just have a need to hate. You'll be happier if you ignore it because you can't fix stupid. I gosh darn guarantee it.

[john1006]

Most of the negative comments regarding snowbirds come from year round residents that are spoiled during the summer when things are less congested, restaurants less busy and tee times a little easier to obtain. My wife and I are in TV for about 9 months each year. We consider ourselves "seasonal residents" because we continue to pay our utilities and amenity fees during our 90 day trips north. To us the term snowbird applies primarily to folks that rent for 3 - 4 months during the winter. Either way there is a fixed number of "homes" and they are occupied at a higher rate during the cold seasons. That's pretty much why we are all here. The missus and I adjust by going to dinner earlier, scheduling shopping excursions during less busy times, leaving a little earlier and being patient. There is room here for everyone, try looking at the great lifestyle we enjoy even during busy times. It's a hoot and we are all blessed to be enjoying it.

[Dennys37Packard]

To us, they are NOT despised, after all, most of us were at one time snowbirds or renters. For us it’s more of a fun saying my wife and I use when we see a gate knocked down, half hour wait for dinner, town square parking filled, etc. it could be June or July and we will smile and say “Damn Snowbirds”. It’s sort of our way to make fun of the few real aholes that put them down. We also do it when people jump on the great developers and family of this wonderful place we call home. They bitch about something and call them “Greedy Developers” so we turn it around when we see a new rec center or restaurant opening an smile and say “Greedy Developers”. When something new is tried, the snakes come out and blame the Family,
Stop and think, if it were not for the family trying new things, then seeing what works and what doesn’t , we would all still be living in another Florida Trailer Park. So next time you hear the term Snowbird, smile and be thankful for them, many of them will be future Villagers and keep this place growing and vibrant. Yes, there will always be “Negative Nellies” but don’t give them the power to take your joy and fun away. Most are just lonely, miserable people who see the glass as half empty. We all knew kids like that back in school. Some never grow up unfortunately. Smile everyone, in five months, a new wave of Snowbirds will be here, some perpetual, some new, and some last timers. And in 4 short months, they are gone, then who will the negative souls blame for their unhappy lives?
Enjoy life, it is short lived at this stage of our lives, why not make the best of it? We are proud to call this place home, and love “Living the Lifestyle “. 😀😎😇👍

[Becca9800]

OP, are you referring to "rental" snowbirds, or homeowners (residents) who snowbird in the winter? The 3- or 4-month renters may be the ones who bring the wrath of non-snowbirds for whatever reason...

Before today's enlightenment, no one had ever discerned between renter and owner. It's always just a generalization of snowbirds.

[graciegirl]

I’m hoping you’re holding up with sarcasm sign, because if this is still bothering you from 2012, I would think you would’ve lightened up by now. :a040:

Dear Leslegges. I am almost always going for "funny". Life's too short to hold a grudge. ;):1rotfl::)

[KYtoTV2021]

Well said!

[KYtoTV2021]

To us, they are NOT despised, after all, most of us were at one time snowbirds or renters. For us it’s more of a fun saying my wife and I use when we see a gate knocked down, half hour wait for dinner, town square parking filled, etc. it could be June or July and we will smile and say “Damn Snowbirds”. It’s sort of our way to make fun of the few real aholes that put them down. We also do it when people jump on the great developers and family of this wonderful place we call home. They bitch about something and call them “Greedy Developers” so we turn it around when we see a new rec center or restaurant opening an smile and say “Greedy Developers”. When something new is tried, the snakes come out and blame the Family,
Stop and think, if it were not for the family trying new things, then seeing what works and what doesn’t , we would all still be living in another Florida Trailer Park. So next time you hear the term Snowbird, smile and be thankful for them, many of them will be future Villagers and keep this place growing and vibrant. Yes, there will always be “Negative Nellies” but don’t give them the power to take your joy and fun away. Most are just lonely, miserable people who see the glass as half empty. We all knew kids like that back in school. Some never grow up unfortunately. Smile everyone, in five months, a new wave of Snowbirds will be here, some perpetual, some new, and some last timers. And in 4 short months, they are gone, then who will the negative souls blame for their unhappy lives?
Enjoy life, it is short lived at this stage of our lives, why not make the best of it? We are proud to call this place home, and love “Living the Lifestyle “. 😀😎😇👍

If folks pay amenity fees 12 months per year and only visit 3 months, they are underwriting the expenses for the full-timers. They should be CHEERED, not jeered.

[Becca9800]

Given the overwhelmingly positive responses, I have to believe disdain for Snowbirds is not pervasive in TV. I appreciate all the responses, including those who honestly expressed their negative feelings toward Snowbirds. You've made points that I hadn't considered. To the 3 who expressed their negative feelings toward me personally, I don't know but I think your posts say more about you. And to all of you who have no issues with Snowbirds, you made my day.Thank you!!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I wouldn't say despised. Fact is, snowbirds do very much to contribute to a healthy economy all over Florida, including TV, and many of my friends and family are snowbirds and I love to see them again when it's "in season" time and they are back in Florida.

On the flip side, here are a few reasons some might groan over snowbirds:

1. Definitely more crowded "in season" -- can't get a table in a restaurant when you want -- definitely can't just be an in-the-moment walk-in, the tee time you wanted is harder to come by, stand in line for a lot of things "in season" that you don't have to stand in line for when the snowbirds are back north.

2. Sometimes it's the few who spoil it for the many. Every season I always run into at least one snow bird who decides to "show off" their entitled side . . . "WE don't do it like that in NY" . . . "step aside I'm coming through" . . . "it's my first day back and I'm going to run you over in Publix buying up EVERYTHING I can get my hands on even if it means shoving past you to grab that last loaf of multi-grain on the bakery shelf" . . . "I'm cutting you off in the round-about because I am in a hurry (license plate: Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, etc. . . )" . . . receive the one-finger salute for going to slow at 20 mph as I'm cut you off in my golf cart because they have GOT to get that seat in the square . . . you get the picture. DEFINITELY not everyone . . . but does happen with greater frequency "in season" . . .

3. Have a visiting guest who can't join me in my weekly yoga/aerobics/water exercise class because it's full with seasonal residents . . . sigh

4. Having my backside rammed with a cart in Fresh Market because it's busier ahead of Christmas . . . when if I tried to move myself I'd have to ram the person in front of me because it's just that busy . . . and then when I look back to see who rammed me . . . I get glared out. Hmmm.

Mainly, it's just more crowded and that makes people grouchier. Plus there are a preponderance of "old, angries" in TV . . . and they are perpetually cranky.

Snowbirds are not despised . . . but it does give those who are prone to complaining something to complain about.

But those are some of the same things I observe about some of the more obnoxious full-timers.

Being a royal ass is not the sole provenance of part-time residents. Consider they probably learned it from some of the full-timers, who've been here long enough to be pros at it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And no, I haven't forgotten about the lobster SHE OWES ME because I CLEARLY won the bet. FIVE YEARS now and counting. And because of COVID she's been hiding out in Canada. My drawn butter is getting cold!!!

Okay this is where I side with golfing eagles. Don't be messing with lobster dinners. That's just WRONG! Buy him his damned lobster. And there'd better be a perfectly baked potato on the side for any extra butter.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

Because the Villages is now a huge city and we have a LOT of messed up people living here. Just my opinion of course

[TNKYGAL]

Through our original lifestyle visit, and a one month rental the next year, we were welcomed and treated very friendly by everyone we encountered. Definitely the most often shared advice was to rent first to determine which area(s) would be best for us.
We are now homeowners in TV, and after reading all the posts on this thread, I thought it fitting to point out that MOST "full timers" we have met have at one time been a renter, and/or seasonal owner. After months of reading TOTV for information, I understand why the OP and others asked/commented about this topic. I haven't seen a thread devoted to it before, but it winds its way through many discussions. But I have yet to feel hostility from any live person. And we hit the jackpot on our neighborhood of welcoming & friendly neighbors. I have now experienced TV in both the peak season and summer. I enjoyed both. I enjoyed the more relaxed feel in the summer, and not having to show up to the square early for a good seat or dinner. But I also enjoyed the energy of the square when it's packed. We learned to just park in a parking lot behind the businesses and enjoy what we came for - that eliminates the hassle, and fortunately, we are blessed to still be very mobile so the extra walking is good for us. The traffic, of course, is heavier, but we try to follow the speed limit, the proper roundabout pattern (with a defensive eye always), and leave early enough to avoid feeling rushed.

So my summation is, TV is a GREAT and friendly place. I thank all Villagers for their warm welcome and hospitality, whether you are a snowbird, a snowflake, a frog, OR a grouch!

[debb3c]

I have no I’ll feelings for the snowbirds. Some of my good friends are snowbirds

[JMintzer]

Through our original lifestyle visit, and a one month rental the next year, we were welcomed and treated very friendly by everyone we encountered. Definitely the most often shared advice was to rent first to determine which area(s) would be best for us.
We are now homeowners in TV, and after reading all the posts on this thread, I thought it fitting to point out that MOST "full timers" we have met have at one time been a renter, and/or seasonal owner. After months of reading TOTV for information, I understand why the OP and others asked/commented about this topic. I haven't seen a thread devoted to it before, but it winds its way through many discussions. But I have yet to feel hostility from any live person. And we hit the jackpot on our neighborhood of welcoming & friendly neighbors. I have now experienced TV in both the peak season and summer. I enjoyed both. I enjoyed the more relaxed feel in the summer, and not having to show up to the square early for a good seat or dinner. But I also enjoyed the energy of the square when it's packed. We learned to just park in a parking lot behind the businesses and enjoy what we came for - that eliminates the hassle, and fortunately, we are blessed to still be very mobile so the extra walking is good for us. The traffic, of course, is heavier, but we try to follow the speed limit, the proper roundabout pattern (with a defensive eye always), and leave early enough to avoid feeling rushed.

So my summation is, TV is a GREAT and friendly place. I thank all Villagers for their warm welcome and hospitality, whether you are a snowbird, a snowflake, a frog, OR a grouch!

We never did a lifestyle visit, but we visited friends in TV, for a week, over Thanksgiving , 18 months ago...

Then, we rented for two months, from Christmas thru the end of February. During that time, we purchased a home.

No one, and I mean absolutely no one, we met, was anything less than kind to us during either visit.

We've been back twice since then, once moving in a bunch of furniture, having the house painted, etc, and again last week for a quick vacation...

Each time we came back, we would take nightly walks and introduce ourselves to our new neighbors...

Our new neighbors were quick with a "Welcome back! How long are you staying? Let's do dinner!"

My wife and I have already found respective golf groups (still looking for a championship group), and She's joined some clubs and exercise groups...

Put out good vibes and they'll come back in spades...

[Taltarzac725]

Okay this is where I side with golfing eagles. Don't be messing with lobster dinners. That's just WRONG! Buy him his damned lobster. And there'd better be a perfectly baked potato on the side for any extra butter.

And I hope the lady from Canada shows up here on this thread.

[John41]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

They’re like love bugs, a seasonal annoyance. But hate, no.

[Ben Franklin]

I wouldn't say despised. Fact is, snowbirds do very much to contribute to a healthy economy all over Florida, including TV, and many of my friends and family are snowbirds and I love to see them again when it's "in season" time and they are back in Florida.

On the flip side, here are a few reasons some might groan over snowbirds:

1. Definitely more crowded "in season" -- can't get a table in a restaurant when you want -- definitely can't just be an in-the-moment walk-in, the tee time you wanted is harder to come by, stand in line for a lot of things "in season" that you don't have to stand in line for when the snowbirds are back north.

2. Sometimes it's the few who spoil it for the many. Every season I always run into at least one snow bird who decides to "show off" their entitled side . . . "WE don't do it like that in NY" . . . "step aside I'm coming through" . . . "it's my first day back and I'm going to run you over in Publix buying up EVERYTHING I can get my hands on even if it means shoving past you to grab that last loaf of multi-grain on the bakery shelf" . . . "I'm cutting you off in the round-about because I am in a hurry (license plate: Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, etc. . . )" . . . receive the one-finger salute for going to slow at 20 mph as I'm cut you off in my golf cart because they have GOT to get that seat in the square . . . you get the picture. DEFINITELY not everyone . . . but does happen with greater frequency "in season" . . .

3. Have a visiting guest who can't join me in my weekly yoga/aerobics/water exercise class because it's full with seasonal residents . . . sigh

4. Having my backside rammed with a cart in Fresh Market because it's busier ahead of Christmas . . . when if I tried to move myself I'd have to ram the person in front of me because it's just that busy . . . and then when I look back to see who rammed me . . . I get glared out. Hmmm.

Mainly, it's just more crowded and that makes people grouchier. Plus there are a preponderance of "old, angries" in TV . . . and they are perpetually cranky.

Snowbirds are not despised . . . but it does give those who are prone to complaining something to complain about.

I have to agree with you. I've lived in areas where "summerbirds" would flood the shore towns in the summer, and when I lived in a resort town in southwest, Florida, it was the "snowbirds." It wasn't the people the "locals" disliked, it was the over-crowdedness they didn't like. Gone, when the crowds came back, was being able to be seated at a restaurant immediately, without reservations and now it became harder to even get a reservation. Golf courses became too hard to get a tee time. Traffic was horrendous.

[EdFNJ]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you. I think it's the "3 month renter" snowbirds people really dislike because many (not all), since the place is not "theirs" don't give a sheet about how they treat the place. If you don't own it you don't treat it like your own. Not everyone of course but enough get a bad rep.

[DALEPQ]

There are always the arrogant that think their opinion is superior to all others, so if is such a problem for you, go to some other 'Perfect" location!!!

[Aacosner]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

A few simply have one-dimensional thinking -- no more, no less. I.E. when snowbirds come down, things get crowded and therefore snowbirds must be bad. Not another thought crosses their simplistic minds. And, of course many are pre-wired to the cup half-empty scenario instead of taking the slightest pause to think about any views offered here.

[mike1946]

Somehow the USA Government instills a hatred of 'Snowbirds' I have to jump through hoops to get a visa for more than 90 days (and pay big bucks for it - plus time to go to the embassy). The DMV cancel my licence on the day I leave after a stay. The DMV also suspended my licence because my insurance on the car ran out and I didn't renew it because I'm 4000 miles away and not driving the car (it's up on tire savers and connected to a battery charger under cover) now they want $150 to renew my licence and remove the marker ???? AND although I'm fully vacinated the USA border is closed to me and my house is just sitting there ...and i'm paying all the taxes insurance utilities and amenity fee for no benefit. I'm feeling kindda miserable about all of this

[golfing eagles]

Somehow the USA Government instills a hatred of 'Snowbirds' I have to jump through hoops to get a visa for more than 90 days (and pay big bucks for it - plus time to go to the embassy). The DMV cancel my licence on the day I leave after a stay. The DMV also suspended my licence because my insurance on the car ran out and I didn't renew it because I'm 4000 miles away and not driving the car (it's up on tire savers and connected to a battery charger under cover) now they want $150 to renew my licence and remove the marker ???? AND although I'm fully vacinated the USA border is closed to me and my house is just sitting there ...and i'm paying all the taxes insurance utilities and amenity fee for no benefit. I'm feeling kindda miserable about all of this

Just go to Mexico, then cross.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: The border is wide open from the south. Canada, not so much.
(PS: license, vaccinated, and kind of:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

[turnercw]

Do you have a recommendation for this service? Thank you!

[Bethwill]

Personally I can't stand the entitled attitude that a lot of snowbirds display, along with the urgency on the roadways. Prices go up every fall so that the developers can further line their already bulging pockets, and frankly a lot of snowbirds are rude. I have some great snowbird friends, that do not act as I described. I do believe if the developers would quit lying about expansion, that part of the animosity would subside.

[th2142a]

Because it is human nature to despise anyone who is different from us.

That sounds racist to me

[Roosmom]

I’m a full timer but I haven’t noticed any angst against snowbirds. In fact many people refer to SB for distinction, as in, “my snowbird friends”, meaning, you can join the group when you’re here. I’ve not heard one negative reference. I’ve found that some folks just have to complain, if it’s not about snowbirds it will be about something or someone else. Just consider the source and live your life your way.

[golfing eagles]

Personally I can't stand the entitled attitude that a lot of snowbirds display, along with the urgency on the roadways. Prices go up every fall so that the developers can further line their already bulging pockets, and frankly a lot of snowbirds are rude. I have some great snowbird friends, that do not act as I described. I do believe if the developers would quit lying about expansion, that part of the animosity would subside.

What on God's green Earth does the like or dislike of snowbirds have to do with the "developer"????? What does the price of a home have to do with snowbirds???? What does "expansion" have to do with any of it??????

Back about circa 1915 early psychiatrists developed diagnostic criteria for various mental disorders. One was called "loosening of associations" and another was "reality testing". My specialty is not psychiatry, but looking at that post I wonder if the criteria have been met:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[noslices1]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

I love the snowbirds. If it weren’t for them, we wouldn’t have all the restaurants that we have and all the shopping areas that we have, because we would only have half the population that we have.

[Beyond The Wall]

And no “full time villager” even ever rolls through a stop sign ,golfs slowly, or backs out of parking lot spot without looking?! Please !

[JMintzer]

Personally I can't stand the entitled attitude that a lot of snowbirds display, along with the urgency on the roadways. Prices go up every fall so that the developers can further line their already bulging pockets, and frankly a lot of snowbirds are rude. I have some great snowbird friends, that do not act as I described. I do believe if the developers would quit lying about expansion, that part of the animosity would subside.

What does the developer have to do with any of this???

[JMintzer]

That sounds racist to me

Only if you think of "different" as racial... That's your problem...

[Lynnesail]

Why do people have to be called names at all?

[Beyond The Wall]

Taste like chicken? Cute. They drive faster because most are younger and can still turn their heads to see where they are going, Resturant’s in Florida are all empty in the warmer season, because half the state leaves. Try going off campus for a meal, use open table or rsty to make a reservation. Works every time.

[Beyond The Wall]

Best post on subject

[rlcooper70]

Ha ha .... great question. You would think they would love us - we pay taxes and don't use the amenities half of the year .... we are perfect neighbors.

[MikeandAnn]

He wasn’t talking about what you pay or that you don’t use the place in the summer. It was about their attitude and you kind of proved his point. Everyone just relax and have fun, you are in The Villages playing around. It shouldn’t matter how long you are here just have fun.

[Jtcoggin@bellsouth.net]

I honestly don't get it, why are TV snowbirds so despised? Can you explain it to us and help us understand what the divide is all about? Thank you.

I would not say snowbirds are despised. I would say full time residents are annoyed by snowbirds creating congestion and hazards on the roadways, and long lines at restaurants, squares, and other gathering locations. Examples: Many snowbirds do not know how to negotiate roundabouts which creates hazards. Snowbirds always are in a rush by driving too fast on the roadways and multi-modal paths. At the squares, snowbirds seem to just take over the squares by reserving seating areas, blocking off sidewalk areas with their chairs, coolers, and bags placed in a large circular area. And forget going to a restaurant during normal dining hours...way too crowded, long lines, and rushed food service resulting in poorly prepared meals.

[graciegirl]

Personally I can't stand the entitled attitude that a lot of snowbirds display, along with the urgency on the roadways. Prices go up every fall so that the developers can further line their already bulging pockets, and frankly a lot of snowbirds are rude. I have some great snowbird friends, that do not act as I described. I do believe if the developers would quit lying about expansion, that part of the animosity would subside.

Ummm. They have snowbirds in Miami too. And in Phoenix.

[Seamus6]

Ummm. They have snowbirds in Miami too. And in Phoenix.

I can't imagine why nobody comes to my stinking state as a snowbird! heheh

[Guitarman1951]

So here's my 2 cents. I think 90% of all full-time Villagers do not resent or hate snowbirds. It's the other 10% who have nothing better to do than complain about a number of things that makes it seem that way. No, I can't "prove" the % I used. It's a gut feel after living here (fulltime) for 9 years. I occasionally will have a conversation with someone who disparages snowbirds, but those discussions are extremely rare. I have been the leader for 2 large groups (150 people plus each) that have included both fulltime and snowbird residents. I've never heard of anyone in those groups who have not been excited to welcome our snowbirds back. So take the complaints with a grain of salt, and remember if you are basing your thoughts on what you read here and on other social media, you are getting an extremely small sample size, and one that in my opinion tends overall to be slanted toward the negative about such topics.
Absolutely agree!! I like all my snowbird neighbors, hate to see them leave and glad when they return!!

[justjim]

There is a new term (nickname) that I’ve found which fits a number of Florida residents. SUNBIRDS! Sunbirds are residents who own property here and go north or other places during the summer. There are many of em’ living here in The Villages. :coolsmiley:

[Spalumbos62]

Somehow the USA Government instills a hatred of 'Snowbirds' I have to jump through hoops to get a visa for more than 90 days (and pay big bucks for it - plus time to go to the embassy). The DMV cancel my licence on the day I leave after a stay. The DMV also suspended my licence because my insurance on the car ran out and I didn't renew it because I'm 4000 miles away and not driving the car (it's up on tire savers and connected to a battery charger under cover) now they want $150 to renew my licence and remove the marker ???? AND although I'm fully vacinated the USA border is closed to me and my house is just sitting there ...and i'm paying all the taxes insurance utilities and amenity fee for no benefit. I'm feeling kindda miserable about all of this


Wow.that does suck!
Hopefully you could rent the fl place out.

[OhioBuckeye]

I understand that snowbirds would be a little upset. They pay to have their yards mow, pay Amenities for 4,5 or 6 months then can’t play golf & do several other things when they do come. But in defense of the yr. round residents, snowbirds have to know play time in the south is when it’s winter in the north. When do the snowbirds think everyone comes to Florida? So the solution is sell your place, or be a full time resident in TV yr. round. I lived in Ohio & living in the north I didn’t miss a thing.

[JMintzer]

He wasn’t talking about what you pay or that you don’t use the place in the summer. It was about their attitude and you kind of proved his point. Everyone just relax and have fun, you are in The Villages playing around. It shouldn’t matter how long you are here just have fun.

What point was that?

[JMintzer]

I would not say snowbirds are despised. I would say full time residents are annoyed by snowbirds creating congestion and hazards on the roadways, and long lines at restaurants, squares, and other gathering locations. Examples: Many snowbirds do not know how to negotiate roundabouts which creates hazards. Snowbirds always are in a rush by driving too fast on the roadways and multi-modal paths. At the squares, snowbirds seem to just take over the squares by reserving seating areas, blocking off sidewalk areas with their chairs, coolers, and bags placed in a large circular area. And forget going to a restaurant during normal dining hours...way too crowded, long lines, and rushed food service resulting in poorly prepared meals.

You mean the very same things people are complaining about now, 2 months after they've left? (except the restaurant part...)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Best post on subject

Which post is that? You need to click the "reply" button connected to a specific post, or else it won't quote the post you're referring to and no one will know.

You could also reference a post number by just typing it into your response.

[Spalumbos62]

Personally I can't stand the entitled attitude that a lot of snowbirds display, along with the urgency on the roadways. Prices go up every fall so that the developers can further line their already bulging pockets, and frankly a lot of snowbirds are rude. I have some great snowbird friends, that do not act as I described. I do believe if the developers would quit lying about expansion, that part of the animosity would subside.


I am just rereading these post again this morning and ya know what...you full timers can stick it where the sun doesn't shine!! How dare you..we pay as much as you do every month, that is our village, equally. Your dispise for us is childish, rude, selfish and totally wrong. You are lucky you are not charged more for amenities while we are away.
This message does not go out to everyone, of course, but the ones that responded that they hate/dislike etc,etc us returning...shame on you.

[graciegirl]

There is a new term (nickname) that I’ve found which fits a number of Florida residents. SUNBIRDS! Sunbirds are residents who own property here and go north or other places during the summer. There are many of em’ living here in The Villages. :coolsmiley:

Don't forget the ones who are seasonal residents in the Fruitland Park area of The Villages are called;


Fruit flies.

[graciegirl]

The people who live here year 'round are those whose grandchildren are not small anymore or they have none. Those people are called FROGS and we are here 'til we croak as we all know.

P.S. I found this, just now;

The Florida Frogs are one of the rare true frogs that can be found solely in the western parts of Florida. These frogs mostly occur in seepages or sluggish backwaters that have sand at the bottom. They have a light green body and display sexual dimorphism, wherein the males are smaller than their female counterparts and have a yellow throat.

[juddfl]

I'm here full time and I agree with your statement. They pay just as much as I do, but they are gone for part of the year. They could be here all the time (like me) and I bet people would really complain about traffic all year long instead of just winter season. Love the snowbirds!!!

[JMintzer]

Which post is that? You need to click the "reply" button connected to a specific post, or else it won't quote the post you're referring to and no one will know.

You could also reference a post number by just typing it into your response.

It was most likely in reference to one of my posts...

They recognize greatness when they see it! :icon_wink:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It was most likely in reference to one of my posts...

They recognize greatness when they see it! :icon_wink:

Weird. I was sure it was one of mine, since I'm an expert on everything and always right.

[golfing eagles]

Weird. I was sure it was one of mine, since I'm an expert on everything and always right.

No, that's me you're describing:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Laker14]

It was most likely in reference to one of my posts...

They recognize greatness when they see it! :icon_wink:

2nd greatest post of all time!!!!

[boatorgolf]

Snowbirds have every right to be here and enjoy their homes and community!! Many of my friends are snowbirds.
The only reason I don’t look forward to their arrival :
Grocery store shelves bare at Walmart, etc. Not snowbirds fault
Can’t get Tee Times, not their fault. New homes but not enough new Facilities ..😫
Roads congested. Not their fault. Morse and Buena Vista only main artery’s North and South - can’t handle
On and on !
Welcome Snowbirds 😎

[Janhug123]

Personally I love when the snowbirds return🥰 I find my street way too quiet and a bit lonely when they are “home”. We FROGS need some excitement in our everyday lives…just sayin…….

[perrjojo]

That's not "human nature", that's called RACISM.

There are many ways people can be different besides racism.

[Velvet]

Coming from a large busy city, I prefer the quiet time myself. It is relaxing and peaceful mostly because of fewer people around.

[Red Rose]

When I was a Snowbird, I felt insulted when anybody said I was one because it always felt like a putdown until one day a full time friend said to me, being called a "Snowbird" isn't so bad. Look at me. I'm a "Frog". I said "What does that mean?" She said "It means I'm here till I croak". I didn't like that at all!! So, from then on being called a Snowbird didn't bother me anymore and as of a few years ago, I am now a Frog.

[Bent Tree]

It might be the reason you just stated. Think about how negative you were…just saying.
I do not have anything against snowbirds as long as they have good manners..welcome any time.

[jbartle1]

Really????? Not me.

[JIMLUPO77]

Snowbirds are wonderful .............. Pay all fees for the year which keep our cost down !!!! Love the birds !!!!!!!

[hamsfc59]

This is the first I've heard that snowbirds are despised. I've lived here18 years. You may want to broaden your circle of friends.

[Becca9800]

There is a new term (nickname) that I’ve found which fits a number of Florida residents. SUNBIRDS! Sunbirds are residents who own property here and go north or other places during the summer. There are many of em’ living here in The Villages. :coolsmiley:

I LOVE that term! From now on, I shall call myself a Sunbird!! Thank you!!

[Becca9800]

I understand that snowbirds would be a little upset. They pay to have their yards mow, pay Amenities for 4,5 or 6 months then can’t play golf & do several other things when they do come. But in defense of the yr. round residents, snowbirds have to know play time in the south is when it’s winter in the north. When do the snowbirds think everyone comes to Florida? So the solution is sell your place, or be a full time resident in TV yr. round. I lived in Ohio & living in the north I didn’t miss a thing.

We've considered moving to TV full-time. For about 30 seconds. We have 6 children and 11 grandchildren (with more to come) that we'd miss too much. Just can't find our way around that. We're stuck in a fantastic kinda way :)

[Becca9800]

It was most likely in reference to one of my posts...

They recognize greatness when they see it! :icon_wink:

:1rotfl:I like your wit.

[Becca9800]

This is the first I've heard that snowbirds are despised. I've lived here18 years. You may want to broaden your circle of friends.

My friends aren't the ones saying negative things about Snowbirds. Do ya think they'd be my friends if they were <derp>? Just read some of the messages on this anonymous social media site. But thanks for trying to dump on me.

[Jimf2018]

One guess would be congestion, on the roads, in the pools, on the golf courses, in the restaurants…. During the summer months around my place it is so quiet, full timers have gone traveling or visiting. All you hear most of the time is the sound of nature. And you have all these well looked after properties all around. It is like being at a high end resort.

Adding to your comments the Snow birds also have a completely different attitude than the full time people. In our 3 years here as full timers, I have found that there is a completely different attitude in the summer than the winter. People are more pleasant, relaxed, and polite in the summer. In the winter I have found people to act rushed, impolite, and generally have a feeling of entitlement. They are here for short time fun and consider themselves better than the full time residents. Seems like they are just here to take what they need with no sense of commitment since they will be gone soon.
As for the comment about being jealous about not having a second home, no thanks, I don’t want the expense and work required to maintain one.

[pauld315]

Snowbirds are not despised as long as they have skin in the game (ie:actually own and come down for months in the winter) It is the daily, weekly, monthly renters that are despised. They aren't snowbirds, they are tourists.

[JMintzer]

:1rotfl:I like your wit.

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