CDC release on breakthrough infections

[HRDave]

Here Are The Biggest Groups That Are Still Refusing The Covid-19 Vaccine, Poll Finds (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/11/here-are-the-biggest-groups-that-are-still-refusing-the-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=5971ecc842cc)

EXCERPT.........Nearly half of unvaccinated respondents were Republicans (49% versus 29% Democrats), as opposed to 31% of vaccinated respondents who identified as Republicans and 59% Democrats.

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF (https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/)

Tracking Covid Vaccines by Race: Black and Hispanic Rates Lower Than White and Asian (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html)

COVID-19 Vaccine Equity for Racial and Ethnic Minority Groups (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/health-equity/vaccine-equity.html)
I could go on. 😎

[John41]

The United States government did NOT fund the Pfizer vaccine.

Big Pharma has gotten a deservedly bad rap by buying the rights to generic drugs then jacking up the price by a large multiple. Also as their patents expire they will make a small change refile and will threaten generic companies with lawsuits. Last year the government did provide funding to Moderna and the Pfizer exec walked back his statement that they did not get government help. The real heroes are the scientists whose institutions filed patents and fought with each other on the rights. Walter Isaacson wrote an interesting book “The Code Breaker” on Jennifer Doudna, last years Nobel prize winner in medicine whose research lead up to vaccines.

[John41]

Let us take what you said about University research into diseases and vaccines being CORRUPTIBLE by the Pharmaceutical Industry as a GIVEN - then, we have to acknowledge that in the 50s through the 70s the US government stimulated and paid for basic research at ALL Universities. After that, some legendary President that also was a cowboy actor pulled Federal funds for research from the Universities in order to free up funds for a tax cut. Then, the Universities had to go "hats in hand" out to industry and Corporations to secure research funds. Today, China graduates more Scientists and Engineers and places more emphasis and money into their research than the US does. So, there is a modern-day history behind the "corruption" of which you speak! US students go For Business degrees more than Science and Engineering TODAY. Now you know, "the rest of the story"!

Regarding the cowboy you refer to, the reference below states most of his proposed cuts to higher education were not passed by Congress. So look elsewhere for why universities looked to business for funding. And do you think CRT which teaches math and science are racist will help us catch up with the Chinese?
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To achieve one of his major goals as president -- the reduction of federal spending -- Mr. Reagan proposed numerous cutbacks in funds for colleges, although most of his proposals were rejected by Congress, and he abandoned the effort late in his presidency.

The Reagan era also saw the publication of a major federal report that criticized the state of American education; the first significant efforts to crack down on abuses in student-aid programs, especially at for-profit colleges; conflicts between government secrecy during the cold war and the free exchange of scientific ideas; a foreign invasion conducted in part to rescue American medical students; and the beginning of the culture wars that would roil many college campuses for years to come.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Big Pharma has gotten a deservedly bad rap by buying the rights to generic drugs then jacking up the price by a large multiple. Also as their patents expire they will make a small change refile and will threaten generic companies with lawsuits. Last year the government did provide funding to Moderna and the Pfizer exec walked back his statement that they did not get government help. The real heroes are the scientists whose institutions filed patents and fought with each other on the rights. Jennifer Doudna last years Nobel prize winner in medicine wrote an interesting book “The Code Breaker” on the research leading up to vaccines.

I can't find a source showing that the Pfizer exec "walked back" a statement that they didn't receive funding for their research on the vaccine. What I -can- find is that Pfizer sunk over $2 BILLION of their own money into the research for their initial four vaccine attempts. They also worked with BioNTech in a collaborative effort. BioNTech DID get funding - from Germany.

What the US provided was actual purchase of 100 million doses, and the right to buy another 500 million, which we paid 2 billion dollars for.

Also, just aside, in response to other posts blaming certain races or political parties for being unvaccinated:

I don't give a flying fart what color they are or political party they belong to. If they CAN vaccinate, and CHOOSE not to, they are to blame. Whoever they are.

The majority of people sick with the virus, presently, are UNvaccinated. That's all that matters to me.

[John41]

I can't find a source showing that the Pfizer exec "walked back" a statement that they didn't receive funding for their research on the vaccine. What I -can- find is that Pfizer sunk over $2 BILLION of their own money into the research for their initial four vaccine attempts. They also worked with BioNTech in a collaborative effort. BioNTech DID get funding - from Germany.

What the US provided was actual purchase of 100 million doses, and the right to buy another 500 million, which we paid 2 billion dollars for.

Also, just aside, in response to other posts blaming certain races or political parties for being unvaccinated:

I don't give a flying fart what color they are or political party they belong to. If they CAN vaccinate, and CHOOSE not to, they are to blame. Whoever they are.

The majority of people sick with the virus, presently, are UNvaccinated. That's all that matters to me.

I completely agree everyone over 20 who can should get vaccinated. And making it a racial or political party statement is a disservice. If this virus is the result of gain of function research it will have been designed to mutate faster and in a way to avoid our vaccines. Here’s the info below on the Pfizer walk back. Also the research was done in university labs not company labs. Big pharma was needed for production and distribution but did a great job.
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As NPR reported in July, the government reached a deal for nearly two billion dollars to help distribute the vaccine. Pfizer’s own press release in July announced that the U.S. government placed an initial order of 100 million doses for $1.95 billion. No money went specifically into the vaccine’s research and development, but Pfizer absolutely did take government money, and was forced to walk back Jansen’s statement.

In an update to their story, Newsweek provided this key clarification, “This page has been updated to clarify Jansen’s comments following further details from a Pfizer spokesperson. The spokesperson clarified that its vaccine is linked to Operation Warp Speed, though its research and development has not taken funding from the federal government. The headline was also updated for clarity.”

[GrumpyOldMan]

What are you talking about....The money to fund the vaccines came from you and me...our government funding.

This is wrong. President Trump offered Pfizer money and they refused it.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I completely agree everyone over 20 who can should get vaccinated. And making it a racial or political party statement is a disservice. If this virus is the result of gain of function research it will have been designed to mutate faster and in a way to avoid our vaccines. Here’s the info below on the Pfizer walk back. Also the research was done in university labs not company labs. Big pharma was needed for production and distribution.
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As NPR reported in July, the government reached a deal for nearly two billion dollars to help distribute the vaccine. Pfizer’s own press release in July announced that the U.S. government placed an initial order of 100 million doses for $1.95 billion. No money went specifically into the vaccine’s research and development, but Pfizer absolutely did take government money, and was forced to walk back Jansen’s statement.

In an update to their story, Newsweek provided this key clarification, “This page has been updated to clarify Jansen’s comments following further details from a Pfizer spokesperson. The spokesperson clarified that its vaccine is linked to Operation Warp Speed, though its research and development has not taken funding from the federal government. The headline was also updated for clarity.”

Looks like your post says they did not take any money for R&D. (development)

[Malsua]

Looks like your post says they did not take any money for R&D. (development)

I ask you to build a house and once completed I will pay you a Million for it whether or not it will ever be able to get a certificate of occupancy.

You build the house for 100,000 dollars.

Who paid for the house? You wouldn't have built it without my contractual agreement to pay you, no matter what the outcome.

Did you front the money? Sure. You did it with a 100% guarantee of a 10x return.

Since you risked nothing, again, I ask, who paid for it?

You can parse that they did all the R&D and while true, they did it with an ironclad guarantee that it would be returned at some multiplier.

Would they have done all the R&D and testing without the FED contract? Maybe. Did they? No.

[Wyseguy]

Despite Fauci’s assertions, Israeli data indicate natural immunity 6x greater than achieved from the jab.
Despite Fauci’s assertions, Israeli data indicate natural immunity 6x greater than achieved from the jab - LifeSite (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/despite-faucis-assertions-israeli-data-indicate-natural-immunity-6x-greater-than-achieved-from-the-jab/)

[John41]

Looks like your post says they did not take any money for R&D. (development)

That’s correct Pfizer did not take money for R&D just for production and distribution.

[GrumpyOldMan]

That’s correct Pfizer did not take money for R&D just for production and distribution.

Uh, it that the same as they sold 100 million does to the US? Or did the us provide funding for production and distribution?

[John41]

LifeSite is an alt-right anti-abortion conspiracy website. It has been banned from some social media websites for promoting misleading and simply FAKE (fiction, not true, lies) Covid misinformation.

It is the false-Christian version of Breitbart.

People who actually believe that tripe are being horribly - and possibly lethally - misled.

This from the Israel Times on the efficacy of the vaccine versus natural immunity.
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Citing very preliminary data, Channel 13 reports that those who recovered from COVID-19 may be better protected from reinfection than those who received the vaccine.

Since May 1, 72 people who previously had COVID were infected again, accounting for 1 percent of confirmed new cases, while 3,000 who were vaccinated have been infected — 40% of confirmed new cases.

Some experts conclude that those who had COVID are relatively safe from reinfection. But other health officials counter that the data does not take into account that new outbreaks did not spread in areas that previously saw massive outbreaks during the pandemic, such as in the ultra-Orthodox community, reports Channel 13.

[drducat]

This from the Israel Times on the efficacy of the vaccine versus natural immunity.
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Citing very preliminary data, Channel 13 reports that those who recovered from COVID-19 may be better protected from reinfection than those who received the vaccine.

Since May 1, 72 people who previously had COVID were infected again, accounting for 1 percent of confirmed new cases, while 3,000 who were vaccinated have been infected — 40% of confirmed new cases.

Some experts conclude that those who had COVID are relatively safe from reinfection. But other health officials counter that the data does not take into account that new outbreaks did not spread in areas that previously saw massive outbreaks during the pandemic, such as in the ultra-Orthodox community, reports Channel 13.

Those 72 people may or may not have had covid19.......depends if Israel was using the PCR test or not. That test was no good from the beginning....picks up any what not virus dead or alive and they reported a covid 19 case.....:oops:

[John41]

Uh, it that the same as they sold 100 million does to the US? Or did the us provide funding for production and distribution?

In answer to your question see post #258 and Pfizer press release below where the cooperation with Operation Warp Speed in several areas is described as beneficial. If you need financials I refer you to Pfizer’s 10k report.
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Pfizer is working very closely with the U.S. government on several fronts as we strategize and plan for our future COVID-19 vaccine distribution effort, keeping in mind that our vaccine candidate needs to clear a number of efficacy, safety and manufacturing hurdles before we submit for any FDA consideration. General Gustave Perna and the Operation Warp Speed team have offered any and all support and we are grateful for that as what we are tasked with is no simple feat.

A few areas where we have been collaborating include:

a direct ship distribution strategy that minimizes the transportation time from our facility to the point of use,
synchronization of our vaccine shipments with the delivery of an ancillary kit that contains supplies required to administer the vaccine, and
a second dose inventory management system.
The combination of OWS logistics expertise coupled with Pfizer’s deep manufacturing and distribution expertise provides a solid foundation for success.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This from the Israel Times on the efficacy of the vaccine versus natural immunity.
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Citing very preliminary data, Channel 13 reports that those who recovered from COVID-19 may be better protected from reinfection than those who received the vaccine.

Since May 1, 72 people who previously had COVID were infected again, accounting for 1 percent of confirmed new cases, while 3,000 who were vaccinated have been infected — 40% of confirmed new cases.

Some experts conclude that those who had COVID are relatively safe from reinfection. But other health officials counter that the data does not take into account that new outbreaks did not spread in areas that previously saw massive outbreaks during the pandemic, such as in the ultra-Orthodox community, reports Channel 13.

So one newspaper is informing you that a second media source is reporting something that "some experts" and "other health officials" are saying?

Here's one for you then, since you're buying that:

I read about a guy who grew a green tongue. Some experts claim it was naturally grown, but some health officials insist it was caused by a fungus. A third group of expert officials of health are positive that fungi are natural, and therefore it was both natural /and/ a fungus. The green tongue is on display somewhere, according to a source I read about.

[GrumpyOldMan]

In answer to your question see post #258 and Pfizer press release below where the cooperation with Operation Warp Speed in several areas is described as beneficial. If you need financials I refer you to Pfizer’s 10k report.
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Pfizer is working very closely with the U.S. government on several fronts as we strategize and plan for our future COVID-19 vaccine distribution effort, keeping in mind that our vaccine candidate needs to clear a number of efficacy, safety and manufacturing hurdles before we submit for any FDA consideration. General Gustave Perna and the Operation Warp Speed team have offered any and all support and we are grateful for that as what we are tasked with is no simple feat.

A few areas where we have been collaborating include:

a direct ship distribution strategy that minimizes the transportation time from our facility to the point of use,
synchronization of our vaccine shipments with the delivery of an ancillary kit that contains supplies required to administer the vaccine, and
a second dose inventory management system.
The combination of OWS logistics expertise coupled with Pfizer’s deep manufacturing and distribution expertise provides a solid foundation for success.

Thank you

[MDLNB]

Oh, you mean the knuckle-dragging white supremacist hillbillies who call it a "plandemic" and think George Soros, Bill Gates and Obama are behind the whole thing at China's direction?

Well, you'd be wrong. Those refusing to get vaccinated are not right wing nutjobs nor Tucker Carlson/Fox News lovers but minorities - black and Latinos - who distrust the government that takes care of them, cradle to grave. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

These are supposed to be their peeps and they have pooped on their vaccination agenda! They've offered them money, incentives, in California the idiot governor is on TV spinning the lottery wheel where newly vaccinated folks are entered, they've done outreach, special vaccine clinics at parks and shopping malls. Latino men, still full of the old-school machismo, think it will make them impotent or sterile. Blacks think it's another Tuskegee experiment at their expense. And then there's the young. Well, they're supposed to be stupid, right? Full of bravado, thinking they're invincible and nothing can hurt them.

Maybe you shouldn't be so self-righteous, judgmental, sneering, and stereotyping, and realize this pandemic is all about FEAR. Fear of the virus, which I see plenty of on this forum, and fear of an experimental vaccine and its possible, unknown side effects. Both reactions are normal and human so stop trivializing and mocking other people's pain and anxiety.


Excellent response! :clap2:

[MDLNB]

Here Are The Biggest Groups That Are Still Refusing The Covid-19 Vaccine, Poll Finds (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/11/here-are-the-biggest-groups-that-are-still-refusing-the-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=5971ecc842cc)

EXCERPT.........Nearly half of unvaccinated respondents were Republicans (49% versus 29% Democrats), as opposed to 31% of vaccinated respondents who identified as Republicans and 59% Democrats.


Well according to your KFF site 88% of vaccinated say "getting vaccinated is a greater risk than catching COVID"


The information you link to says that ONLY 59% of the vaccinated are Democrat. That number does not equate to 29% not vaccinated. Polling numbers are skewed. If you subtract their 49% of Republicans UN-vaccinated you get 51% vaccinated. Hardly a big difference. It also says that only 28% of age 65+ have been vaccinated. Does that sound plausible to you? The information that you provided is greatly flawed.

[MDLNB]

The United States government did NOT fund the Pfizer vaccine.


According to your SNOPES:
"$1.95 billion allocated to Pfizer was for large-scale manufacturing and nationwide distribution."
"Technically, the work conducted by Pfizer and its partner, German drugmaker BioNTech, is an expansion of OWS and was operating under an agreement to meet the goal of OWS to deliver 300 million doses of a vaccine in 2021. As part of the agreement, the U.S. government would receive 100 million doses after the successful manufacturing of the vaccine and its approval by the FDA."

[JMintzer]

Young children MIGHT (?) have long-term neurological problems since that has been established as a problem for children with symptomatic CV and may be worse with the Delta variant? There is probably continuing study about that possibility. I am SURE that vaccination makes that much less likely!

Young children cannot be vaccinated...

[JMintzer]

A lot of viruses "come back" like chicken pox/shingles. Many virus strains sequester in your body for many years and screw up your immune system like Guillan-Barre and Epstein-Barr syndromes, fibromyalgia, Lyme Disease (which they should hurry up and find a cure/prevention for because it has destroyed so many lives of people I know).

Chicken pox lives in your nerves... It returns as Shingles...

Or, were you using chicken pox as and example of that?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

According to your SNOPES:
"$1.95 billion allocated to Pfizer was for large-scale manufacturing and nationwide distribution."
"Technically, the work conducted by Pfizer and its partner, German drugmaker BioNTech, is an expansion of OWS and was operating under an agreement to meet the goal of OWS to deliver 300 million doses of a vaccine in 2021. As part of the agreement, the U.S. government would receive 100 million doses after the successful manufacturing of the vaccine and its approval by the FDA."

Exactly. That was to PURCHASE PRODUCT.

It was not to fund research.

[drducat]

Exactly. That was to PURCHASE PRODUCT.

It was not to fund research.

The research was done before and halted over and over again.....so maybe...:pepper2:

[John41]

Exactly. That was to PURCHASE PRODUCT.

It was not to fund research.

Here’s how business works because you seem not to know.

————————OWS——
Research………..no
Production ……..yes
Distribution………yes
Sales…………………yes

I gave you an article from NPR and Newsweek that stated the above. None are so blind as those who would not see.

[coffeebean]

"far right source" = bad?
far left source = good?

Far anything = very bad

[coffeebean]

Young children cannot be vaccinated...

Very true but their parents can. Why don't these people who are refusing the vaccine do the right thing for their children?

[MDLNB]

Very true but their parents can. Why don't these people who are refusing the vaccine do the right thing for their children?


Who says they aren't? Do you have information that parents of school age children are NOT getting vaccinated?

[coffeebean]

Who says they aren't? Do you have information that parents of school age children are NOT getting vaccinated?

I was referring to those folks who are anti-vaxxers that have children; those folks who refuse the vaccine because of fear that have children; those folks who are vaccine hesitant that have children; those folks who refuse the vaccine and and not are protecting others children. I know they are out there and so do you. It is the younger folks refusing the vaccine.....you know the folks with kids.

[Swoop]

I was referring to those folks who are anti-vaxxers that have children; those folks who refuse the vaccine because of fear that have children; those folks who are vaccine hesitant that have children; those folks who refuse the vaccine and and not are protecting others children. I know they are out there and so do you. It is the younger folks refusing the vaccine.....you know the folks with kids.

You love bringing up “the children”. But do you have any idea how infinitesimal the impact of Covid has been on “the children”?
Since the start of Covid, just over 400 children 0-18 have died from Covid. In that same timeframe, more than 70,000 children 0-18 have died from other causes…

[GrumpyOldMan]

You love bringing up “the children”. But do you have any idea how infinitesimal the impact of Covid has been on “the children”?
Since the start of Covid, just over 400 children 0-18 have died from Covid. In that same timeframe, more than 70,000 children 0-18 have died from other causes…

The operative words (and I am sure you are aware since you included it) are "has been". DELTA seems to find children much tastier.

[Swoop]

The operative words (and I am sure you are aware since you included it) are "has been". DELTA seems to find children much tastier.
The statistics I provided were through the end of July. If you would like to provide statistical data that supports your claim, let’s see it.
Actual deaths, not fear mongering news reports designed to increase viewership or readers…

[GrumpyOldMan]

The statistics I provided were through the end of July. If you would like to provide statistical data that supports your claim, let’s see it.
Actual deaths, not fear mongering news reports designed to increase viewership or readers…

So, a whole week or two since DELTA surge began. Okay.

I assume you understand exponential growth?

[Swoop]

So, a whole week or two since DELTA surge began. Okay.

I assume you understand exponential growth?
Delta has been the predominant strain of Covid in the US for over a month!!

[MDLNB]

So, a whole week or two since DELTA surge began. Okay.

I assume you understand exponential growth?


It means over a PERIOD OF TIME. No quite sure a period of time has occurred unless you are talking about hours.

[coffeebean]

You love bringing up “the children”. But do you have any idea how infinitesimal the impact of Covid has been on “the children”?
Since the start of Covid, just over 400 children 0-18 have died from Covid. In that same timeframe, more than 70,000 children 0-18 have died from other causes…

Actually, I have brought up children in my discussions a few times and mostly to say that kids mostly are not effected by Covid. If your numbers are correct, 400 is a small number considering the total number of deaths. Children can, however, spread the disease to others very efficiently if they are infected. Who know how many asymptomatic kids are out there? Anyone? Anyone?

[Swoop]

Actually, I have brought up children in my discussions a few times and mostly to say that kids mostly are not effected by Covid. If your numbers are correct, 400 is a small number considering the total number of deaths. Children can, however, spread the disease to others very efficiently if they are infected. Who know how many asymptomatic kids are out there? Anyone? Anyone?

So you would be okay vaccinating young children, who are in very little danger from Covid themselves, with a vaccine that no one knows whether there will be long term side effects - just to protect yourself…
WOW…

[coffeebean]

So you would be okay vaccinating young children, who are in very little danger from Covid themselves, with a vaccine that no one knows whether there will be long term side effects - just to protect yourself…
WOW…

I'm not worried about myself. I'm fully vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine so I'm protected. It's not about me or my family who is also fully vaccinated. It is about those who are not able to be vaccinated; those who have medical contraindications for the vaccine, those who are immunocompromised who do not have full benefit from the vaccines. It is about SAFE herd immunity and it's going to take vaccination of children and more adults to achieve that goal.

[Escape Artist]

I'm not worried about myself. I'm fully vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine so I'm protected. It's not about me or my family who is also fully vaccinated. It is about those who are not able to be vaccinated; those who have medical contraindications for the vaccine, those who are immunocompromised who do not have full benefit from the vaccines. It is about SAFE herd immunity and it's going to take vaccination of children and more adults to achieve that goal.

First of all, herd immunity is off the table. they had a couple of months to do it, knowing they most likely would not achieve it in a country/population of this size. Future variants might be worse than the variants we are already seeing in that they will resist the vaccine altogether so it won't matter if you're vaccinated. That's a very real possibility. Herd immunity using vaccines has to be done quickly and in conjunction with natural exposure to a virus. But that's using a traditional vaccine that prevents infection. Maybe true herd immunity isn't even possible with a mRNA vaccine?

Secondly, I find it distasteful and cringe-worthy that so many seniors are worried about their own mortality and obsessed with safety. We have become a risk-averse society which has made us more reliant on government at every level for solutions, instructions, regulations, mandates, etc. And this was even before COVID.

Good thing we're not required to forge a nation out of the wilderness or anything. :rolleyes:

[Swoop]

I'm not worried about myself. I'm fully vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine so I'm protected. It's not about me or my family who is also fully vaccinated. It is about those who are not able to be vaccinated; those who have medical contraindications for the vaccine, those who are immunocompromised who do not have full benefit from the vaccines. It is about SAFE herd immunity and it's going to take vaccination of children and more adults to achieve that goal.

According to the CDC virtually everyone, with medical issues can get the vaccine if they want it. So, just curious, how many people are truly medically unable to be vaccinated? I keep seeing posts that say we need to protect them. Is this just another smokescreen, like “protect the children”…?

[JMintzer]

Fauci's resume is impeccable. He is a legend in his field. History will remember him, not that self-promoting VETERINARIAN!

Was... For his work on the AIDS virus... Since then? A bureaucrat...

And not to mention his work in "Gain of Function", quietly re-starting the program after it was shut down 2 administrations ago...

[JMintzer]

Here Are The Biggest Groups That Are Still Refusing The Covid-19 Vaccine, Poll Finds (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/11/here-are-the-biggest-groups-that-are-still-refusing-the-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=5971ecc842cc)

EXCERPT.........Nearly half of unvaccinated respondents were Republicans (49% versus 29% Democrats), as opposed to 31% of vaccinated respondents who identified as Republicans and 59% Democrats.

Notice how they only break it down by party? Not by race nor ethnicity?

The CDC (you trust them, right?) says the groups who are vaccinated the least are Blacks an Latinos...

[JMintzer]

It's not "all" about money. Price increases are about money of course. Otherwise they'd be an increase in elevation of their patio chairs. Or an increase in the height of the new roof. Or an increase in my waist after eating a box of Yodels.

Did you really expect these companies would be able to continue doing research, improving their product, and basically giving away the entire first batch of their vaccines, without recouping some of those expenses? They are for-profit corporations, not governmental social programs.

You want capitalism, but you don't want to pay for it?

Giving away? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The Google machine is a fascinating thing...

"Pfizer Reaps Hundreds of Millions in Profits From Covid Vaccine. The company said its vaccine generated $3.5 billion in revenue in the first three months of this year."

"Moderna Inc. MRNA, -0.61% brought in $1.7 billion in sales of its COVID-19 vaccine in the first quarter of 2021, marking the company's first significant billion-dollar revenue haul this year and also the first time it's ever reported a GAAP profit. Moderna had earnings of $1.2 billion, or $2.84 per share, in the first quarter of 2021. This is compared to a loss of $124 million, or 35 cents per share, in the first quarter a year ago."

[JMintzer]

The United States government did NOT fund the Pfizer vaccine.

Correct... It was the GERMAN government...

"Berlin gave the German company $445 million in an agreement in September to help accelerate the vaccine by building out manufacturing and development capacity in its home market.

What the U.S. did, meanwhile, was commit to buying hundreds of millions of vaccines in advance to ensure Americans were among the first in line if it clinches an emergency-use authorization or approval from the FDA. The Trump administration agreed in July to pay almost $2 billion for 100 million doses, with an option to acquire as many as 500 million more, once that clearance comes."

[JMintzer]

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF (https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/)

Tracking Covid Vaccines by Race: Black and Hispanic Rates Lower Than White and Asian (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html)

COVID-19 Vaccine Equity for Racial and Ethnic Minority Groups (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/health-equity/vaccine-equity.html)
I could go on. 😎

But those facts are "racist"! :p:p:p

[GrumpyOldMan]

Correct... It was the GERMAN government...

"Berlin gave the German company $445 million in an agreement in September to help accelerate the vaccine by building out manufacturing and development capacity in its home market.

What the U.S. did, meanwhile, was commit to buying hundreds of millions of vaccines in advance to ensure Americans were among the first in line if it clinches an emergency-use authorization or approval from the FDA. The Trump administration agreed in July to pay almost $2 billion for 100 million doses, with an option to acquire as many as 500 million more, once that clearance comes."

True. The US did offer money, but they turned it down. And yes, the US committed to buying it.