COVID Treatment in Town Square

[Mrprez]

Let's just say that the location in a movie theater in the middle of a town square is bad optics.

Let’s not. The door that is being used is not on the town square. It is 500’ away straight line. Much further by the parking lot or the sidewalk.

[Spalumbos62]

Buried in the fine print of Monday's approval by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration of the Pfizer Comirnaty COVID vaccine are two critical facts that affect whether the vaccine can be mandated, and whether Pfizer can be held liable for injuries

Monday, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a biologics license application for the Pfizer Comirnaty vaccine.

The press reported that vaccine mandates are now legal for military, healthcare workers, college students and employees in many industries. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio has now required the vaccine for all teachers and school staff. The Pentagon is proceeding with its mandate for all military service members.

But there are several bizarre aspects to the FDA approval that will prove confusing to those not familiar with the pervasiveness of the FDA's regulatory capture, or the depths of the agency's cynicism.

First, the FDA acknowledges that while Pfizer has "insufficient stocks" of the newly licensed Comirnaty vaccine available, there is "a significant amount" of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccine -- produced under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) -- still available for use.

The FDA decrees that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine under the EUA should remain unlicensed but can be used "interchangeably" (page 2, footnote 8) with the newly licensed Comirnaty product.

Second, the FDA pointed out that the licensed Pfizer Comirnaty vaccine and the existing, EUA Pfizer vaccine are "legally distinct," but proclaims that their differences do not "impact safety or effectiveness."

There is a huge real-world difference between products approved under EUA compared with those the FDA has fully licensed.

EUA products are experimental under U.S. law. Both the Nuremberg Code and federal regulations provide that no one can force a human being to participate in this experiment. Under 21 U.S. Code Sec.360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III), "authorization for medical products for use in emergencies," it is unlawful to deny someone a job or an education because they refuse to be an experimental subject. Instead, potential recipients have an absolute right to refuse EUA vaccines.

U.S. laws, however, permit employers and schools to require students and workers to take licensed vaccines.

EUA-approved COVID vaccines have an extraordinary liability shield under the 2005 Public Readiness and Preparedness Act. Vaccine manufacturers, distributors, providers and government planners are immune from liability. The only way an injured party can sue is if he or she can prove willful misconduct, and if the U.S. government has also brought an enforcement action against the party for willful misconduct. No such lawsuit has ever succeeded.

The government has created an extremely stingy compensation program, the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program, to redress injuries from all EUA products. The program's parsimonious administrators have compensated under 4% of petitioners to date -- and not a single COVID vaccine injury -- despite the fact that physicians, families and injured vaccine recipients have reported more than 600,000 COVID vaccine injuries.

At least for the moment, the Pfizer Comirnaty vaccine has no liability shield. Vials of the branded product, which say "Comirnaty" on the label, are subject to the same product liability laws as other U.S. products.

When the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices places a vaccine on the mandatory schedule, a childhood vaccine benefits from a generous retinue of liability protections.

But licensed adult vaccines, including the new Comirnaty, do not enjoy any liability shield. Just as with Ford's exploding Pinto, or Monsanto's herbicide Roundup, people injured by the Comirnaty vaccine could potentially sue for damages.

And because adults injured by the vaccine will be able to show that the manufacturer knew of the problems with the product, jury awards could be astronomical.

Pfizer is therefore unlikely to allow any American to take a Comirnaty vaccine until it can somehow arrange immunity for this product.

Given this background, the FDA's acknowledgement in its approval letter that there are insufficient stocks of the licensed Comirnaty, but an abundant supply of the EUA Pfizer BioNTech jab, exposes the "approval" as a cynical scheme to encourage businesses and schools to impose illegal jab mandates.

The FDA's clear motivation is to enable Pfizer to quickly unload inventories of a vaccine that science and the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System have exposed as unreasonably dangerous, and that the Delta variant has rendered obsolete.



Americans, told that the Pfizer COVID vaccine is now licensed, will understandably assume COVID vaccine mandates are lawful. But only EUA-authorized vaccines, for which no one has any real liability, will be available during the next few weeks when many school mandate deadlines occur.

The FDA appears to be purposefully tricking American citizens into giving up their right to refuse an experimental product.

While the media has trumpeted that the FDA has approved COVID vaccines, the FDA has not approved the Pfizer BioNTech vaccines, nor any COVID vaccines for the 12- to 15-year age group, nor any booster doses for anyone.

And the FDA has not licensed any Moderna vaccine, nor any vaccine from Johnson & Johnson -- so the vast majority, if not all, of vaccines available in the U.S. remain unlicensed EUA products.

Here's what you need to know when somebody orders you to get the vaccine: Ask to see the vial. If it says "Comirnaty," it's a licensed product.

If it says "Pfizer-BioNTech," it's an experimental product, and under 21 U.S. Code 360bbb, you have the right to refuse.

If it comes from Moderna or Johnson & Johnson (marketed as Janssen), you have the right to refuse.

The FDA is playing bait and switch with the American public -- but we don't have to play along. If it doesn't say Comirnaty, you have not been offered an approved vaccine.


THANK YOU 100 times....that was so interesting and informative.....best post of the year.

[PennBF]

I know of no other situation where there is a populated area set aside for high risk Covid-19 or Delta Virant virus carriers within a relative small square! This not only increases the risks because there are 300 at risk a day circulating in the relatively small
area but there are no normal controls for masks, etc. Why has the Villages Theater been set up to be a petri dish for the virus? It just doesn't make any sense? :popcorn:

[charmed59]

I know of no other situation where there is a populated area set aside for high risk Covid-19 or Delta Virant virus carriers within a relative small square! This not only increases the risks because there are 300 at risk a day circulating in the relatively small
area but there are no normal controls for masks, etc. Why has the Villages Theater been set up to be a petri dish for the virus? It just doesn't make any sense? :popcorn:

As there are less than 600 cases a week in Sumter county, I’d guess, even pulling in from neighboring counties, they aren’t hitting anything close to 300 a day.

The entrance isn’t close to the square. It is sort of close to the entrance of the golf car shop. If you see a big crowd in front of the back theater door you might want to wait to peruse the golf cars displayed down that street, but they aren’t near the square.

[Chi-Town]

Let’s not. The door that is being used is not on the town square. It is 500’ away straight line. Much further by the parking lot or the sidewalk.

Perhaps you took the term "bad optics" a little too literally.

[Bill14564]

I know of no other situation where there is a populated area set aside for high risk Covid-19 or Delta Virant virus carriers within a relative small square! This not only increases the risks because there are 300 at risk a day circulating in the relatively small
area but there are no normal controls for masks, etc. Why has the Villages Theater been set up to be a petri dish for the virus? It just doesn't make any sense? :popcorn:

It makes a tremendous amount of sense as previously posted.

This location is not "within a relatively small square." As also previously posted, it is well away from the square, adjacent to a parking lot, with a somewhat isolated entrance.

As has been posted many times before, the risk from Covid is with close (within 6') contact for an extended (10+ mins) time and much higher in an enclosed area. Unless you stop someone heading to that door and chat with them for a while the risk is very low and if you don't happen to come from that parking lot, the risk is zero.

[graciegirl]

As there are less than 600 cases a week in Sumter county, I’d guess, even pulling in from neighboring counties, they aren’t hitting anything close to 300 a day.

The entrance isn’t close to the square. It is sort of close to the entrance of the golf car shop. If you see a big crowd in front of the back theater door you might want to wait to peruse the golf cars displayed down that street, but they aren’t near the square.

There are many reasonable and intelligent and well read people who post on this forum.

I thank you Charmed for being consistently one of them.

There is so much wrong information and so much plain old being nasty on here, it is sometimes more depressing than it is helpful.

It is good to know that when we see some screen names, we will have something useful to read.

Sometimes, the more I know about people, the sadder I become.

[Byte1]

Sorry buttercup, but let's face it, the Vax and/or mask are not cutting it...hell, there's a veteran poster on here that was in hospital at least 12days. Hopefully he's out and we'll, but he was vaxed.

I dont understand all the sarcasm on these posts. It seems like people get so much joy out of undercutting other posters with sarcasm. Always seems to be older men that get their briefs twisted by something another person says back to them. I know this is very common behavior from young boys, but really shocks me on this site. Who knows, maybe as things don't work right anymore they have to lash out at others in some sort of frustration.
I know one thing, women, in general, prefer a jolly, kind older man.

Hmm, pot calling the kettle black?

[Mrprez]

Perhaps you took the term "bad optics" a little too literally.

Perhaps. My point is that the entry being used is not on the square. Some people just can’t seem to grasp that salient point.

[coffeebean]

That’s a personal decision only you can make. Leaves more room for the rest of us.

Lots of room is great for social distancing!

[coffeebean]

Let’s not. The door that is being used is not on the town square. It is 500’ away straight line. Much further by the parking lot or the sidewalk.

The entry and exit door location is all well and good but......those folks who receive treatment and those folks who accompany them will most definitely visit the shops and restaurants in the square. That is a given.

[Mrprez]

The entry and exit door location is all well and good but......those folks who receive treatment and those folks who accompany them will most definitely visit the shops and restaurants in the square. That is a given.

Maybe to you. But it is not a given to me. I was over there. People were coming out and going to their cars. But, I guess you have lost all faith in your neighbors to think that they would do some so reckless.

[Love2Swim]

The entry and exit door location is all well and good but......those folks who receive treatment and those folks who accompany them will most definitely visit the shops and restaurants in the square. That is a given.

Exactly!! That is the point. These people will congregate on the square, stop and listen to music, stop in the shops, exposing others.Where the entrance and exit are, are of little importance. It is the activity of the people seeking treatment that is of concern to many people. I'm going to avoid the place. Anyways, I like Sumter Landing better, lol.

[coffeebean]

It makes a tremendous amount of sense as previously posted.

This location is not "within a relatively small square." As also previously posted, it is well away from the square, adjacent to a parking lot, with a somewhat isolated entrance.

As has been posted many times before, the risk from Covid is with close (within 6') contact for an extended (10+ mins) time and much higher in an enclosed area. Unless you stop someone heading to that door and chat with them for a while the risk is very low and if you don't happen to come from that parking lot, the risk is zero.

Early on when the Delta variant first was being reported about, the time frame to contract this variant was one minute of exposure. So, I took that to mean one minute of close encounter of within 6 feet of a Covid positive person with Delta variant. That is why this Delta variant is so contagious and much more contagious than the original Covid strain. For some reason, this time frame is not being reported now so who knows if it really is THAT quick to be exposed.

[Mrprez]

Exactly!! That is the point. These people will congregate on the square, stop and listen to music, stop in the shops, exposing others.Where the entrance and exit are, are of little importance. It is the activity of the people seeking treatment that is of concern to many people. I'm going to avoid the place. Anyways, I like Sumter Landing better, lol.

Mere speculation on your part.

[coffeebean]

Maybe to you. But it is not a given to me. I was over there. People were coming out and going to their cars. But, I guess you have lost all faith in your neighbors to think that they would do some so reckless.

I hope you will prove me very very wrong.

[Byte1]

I agree with those that think the decision to house this facility in a Town Square is not a good one. The Savannah Center is more away from people, fine. I personally will avoid Brownwood for awhile, and I know others that will do so too.

I've avoided Brownwood for 8 years...:)
I bet anyone (even vaccinated) will rush (NOT AVOID) to Brownwood if/when they become infected...........:icon_wink:

News flash: you will have no more chance of catching covid at the village square in Brownwood then you would shopping at Publix or Walmart. Better avoid them also..:icon_wink:

[Byte1]

I know of no other situation where there is a populated area set aside for high risk Covid-19 or Delta Virant virus carriers within a relative small square! This not only increases the risks because there are 300 at risk a day circulating in the relatively small
area but there are no normal controls for masks, etc. Why has the Villages Theater been set up to be a petri dish for the virus? It just doesn't make any sense? :popcorn:

Maybe they should move the Villages Hospital to a more remote location also. After all, look at all the sick people crowded into one area and look at all the businesses nearby.:ohdear:

[Mrprez]

I know that if I was the one coming out of that theater, I would go straight home.

Those of you who think they will go shopping or dining on the square think so because that is what YOU would do.

[Byte1]

I know that if I was the one coming out of that theater, I would go straight home.

Those of you who think they will go shopping or dining on the square think so because that is what YOU would do.

Well, according to some (several) that post on here, those that are not vaccinated should or need to die, just to prove to them that they have made the better choice at getting vaccinated. I have even read them saying "I hope they die." They also want the unvaccinated to pay for everyone else's health care. Some on here are soooo charitable. And I should have added soooo convincing and must have surely caused many to log off and rush to be vaccinated. Apparently, they do not seem to understand several points that others (not me) have made regarding this matter:
Having a treatment for covid is a good thing
Having a treatment for covid in a close location is a good thing
Being infected with covid does NOT always mean that person was not vaccinated
Some folks cannot be vaccinated.
Walking past an infected person does not mean that you are certain to become infected.
AND,
Not all "other" persons are less intelligent or lacking in common sense than what some claim to have.
Obviously, those that are being treated will likely head home after the process. A few may even stop at the doughnut shop for a coffee and doughnut on their way home. If you have your vaccination and if either one of you are wearing a mask, then the chances are nil that you will become infected. If you fear infection, then don't go to the square. There are plenty of other places where you can obtain a fat pill and coffee.

I consider the news of this treatment in the Villages to be fantastic and it is a shame that some elitists find the need to criticize.

[Mrprez]

Well, according to some (several) that post on here, those that are not vaccinated should or need to die, just to prove to them that they have made the better choice at getting vaccinated. I have even read them saying "I hope they die." They also want the unvaccinated to pay for everyone else's health care. Some on here are soooo charitable. And I should have added soooo convincing and must have surely caused many to log off and rush to be vaccinated. Apparently, they do not seem to understand several points that others (not me) have made regarding this matter:
Having a treatment for covid is a good thing
Having a treatment for covid in a close location is a good thing
Being infected with covid does NOT always mean that person was not vaccinated
Some folks cannot be vaccinated.
Walking past an infected person does not mean that you are certain to become infected.
AND,
Not all "other" persons are less intelligent or lacking in common sense than what some claim to have.
Obviously, those that are being treated will likely head home after the process. A few may even stop at the doughnut shop for a coffee and doughnut on their way home. If you have your vaccination and if either one of you are wearing a mask, then the chances are nil that you will become infected. If you fear infection, then don't go to the square. There are plenty of other places where you can obtain a fat pill and coffee.

I consider the news of this treatment in the Villages to be fantastic and it is a shame that some elitists find the need to criticize.

Thanks, well stated.

I would like to hear the rationale that is being used by the naysayers that has them convinced that people will do the wrong thing.

[Kenswing]

Thanks, well stated.

I would like to hear the rationale that is being used by the naysayers that has them convinced that people will do the wrong thing.

I think the bottom line is that Covid has dramatically changed some people and not for the better.

[John Mayes]

I think the bottom line is that Covid has dramatically changed some people and not for the better.

Maybe not changed them but instead accentuated the bad traits they have always had.

[asianthree]

I really have to laugh at some posters that are against the use of Barnstormer, an empty theater, and so worried they will go shopping, and mingle.
If you leave your house, you could be exposed to asymptomatic people vaccinated or not every day. At least you know those entering the theater probably have tested positive, but do you know if your neighbor or that person in Publix, who hasn’t been tested and could be positive or not.

Our entire family has been exposed everyday since the beginning of Covid. If every healthcare providers were as panicked as some, the world would be a very different place. There are many healthcare workers who came out of retirement to help, their age was never a fear for them. But if they should test positive, I am glad for a site so close to home.

I am hoping those posters who are so opposed, and find they need treatment, will drive to Orlando to seek treatment, instead of using Brownwood.

[drducat]

THANK YOU 100 times....that was so interesting and informative.....best post of the year.

Yes and who can trust them any longer....once caught being a liar its over........also this behavior is not new,,,its been going on since the beginning of the Covd19 scare.

[golfing eagles]

I really have to laugh at some posters that are against the use of Barnstormer, an empty theater, and so worried they will go shopping, and mingle.
If you leave your house, you could be exposed to asymptomatic people vaccinated or not every day. At least you know those entering the theater probably have tested positive, but do you know if your neighbor or that person in Publix, who hasn’t been tested and could be positive or not.

Our entire family has been exposed everyday since the beginning of Covid. If every healthcare providers were as panicked as some, the world would be a very different place. There are many healthcare workers who came out of retirement to help, their age was never a fear for them. But if they should test positive, I am glad for a site so close to home.

I am hoping those posters who are so opposed, and find they need treatment, will drive to Orlando to seek treatment, instead of using Brownwood.

Thank you. I've posted this until I was blue in the face, and just about every other healthcare professional that I know of on this site has posted the same thing. I'm glad you added your voice:bigbow:

[Fltpkr]

Did someone here actually say that the unvaccinated “should die” or that they “hoped they died”? Sometimes these posts are not very civil but I don’t think I saw those.



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[jimjamuser]

I completely agree. It’s asinine. Parking is in the back. I hope they will enter through the back to get the infusion. They will have to sit for a while. I hope they can make it.
Walking into the square must not be allowed..crazy stuff.
That's the problem......you can't station guards there to stop them. But, you could change the location to a sparser, less inviting area. People can act like moths - drawn to the sounds of music and happy, carefree people. People living the good, happy daze TV Land life - energetically pretending that a worldwide pandemic is just a hoax made up by Pharmacy Companies to sell vaccines.

[jimjamuser]

[/COLOR]

OK, so, I have a MOST HUMBLE SUGGESTION for your your hurting head,...DON'T THINK ABOUT IT!
Many, many people in TV Land are using THAT strategy. So, I thought that I would try something different. You can't blame a person for TRYING.

[jimjamuser]

Early on when the Delta variant first was being reported about, the time frame to contract this variant was one minute of exposure. So, I took that to mean one minute of close encounter of within 6 feet of a Covid positive person with Delta variant. That is why this Delta variant is so contagious and much more contagious than the original Covid strain. For some reason, this time frame is not being reported now so who knows if it really is THAT quick to be exposed.
Well, one thing about "CONTAGIOUS" that we ALL can agree on is that more and more morgue freezer trucks are coming to a hospital and state near.....Y.......O.......U

[jimjamuser]

Maybe not changed them but instead accentuated the bad traits they have always had.
Modern History will be written as Pre CV and then Post CV.

[Happydaz]

Some interesting reading from the US Department of Health and Human Services on setting up a Monoclonal Antibody Infusion Center. The section titled Criteria and Protocols has some direction on how to set up a monoclonal antibody infusion center and where to locate such centers.

https://www.phe.gov/emergency/events/COVID19/therapeutics/Pages/Infusion-Center-Model.aspx

[Escape Artist]

I think the bottom line is that Covid has dramatically changed some people and not for the better.

Yes, you're right. Exposed many people as "fearful" (I would use the C-word but maybe that's a little harsh).

[CFrance]

I really have to laugh at some posters that are against the use of Barnstormer, an empty theater, and so worried they will go shopping, and mingle.
If you leave your house, you could be exposed to asymptomatic people vaccinated or not every day. At least you know those entering the theater probably have tested positive, but do you know if your neighbor or that person in Publix, who hasn’t been tested and could be positive or not.

Our entire family has been exposed everyday since the beginning of Covid. If every healthcare providers were as panicked as some, the world would be a very different place. There are many healthcare workers who came out of retirement to help, their age was never a fear for them. But if they should test positive, I am glad for a site so close to home.

I am hoping those posters who are so opposed, and find they need treatment, will drive to Orlando to seek treatment, instead of using Brownwood.
They won't have to. They can go to TVRH, Leesburg, Ocala, etc. Many moons ago (Post #3) I supplied a link to all the sites in the US providing the treatment. Here it is again. https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.htm...301a7e262#data (https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=c0371324e1a44ad0aa77b6d301a7e262#data )

[jswirs]

[QUOTE=jimjamuser;1995818]Well, one thing about "CONTAGIOUS" that we ALL can agree on is that more and more morgue freezer trucks are coming to a hospital and state near.....Y.......O.......U

Well, one does not need to have initials behind his name to use common sense. So, what I do know from living 70+ years is, fear causes stress, and stress weakens the immune system. In this instance the saying "You attract what you fear" applies. So, I think those morgue freezer trucks will be coming to a hospital and state much closed to Y...O...U... than to me.

[Happydaz]

They won't have to. They can go to TVRH, Leesburg, Ocala, etc. Many moons ago (Post #3) I supplied a link to all the sites in the US providing the treatment. Here it is again. https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.htm...301a7e262#data (https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=c0371324e1a44ad0aa77b6d301a7e262#data )

Wow! That is one long list of Covid monoclonal treatment centers! Every one I saw was a hospital, infusion center or other type of medical office. The Villages has the distinction of having the only one in a movie theater in a town square.

[Aces4]

Wow! That is one long list of Covid monoclonal treatment centers! Every one I saw was a hospital, infusion center or other type of medical office. The Villages has the distinction of having the only one in a movie theater in a town square.

Isn’t that wonderful? If any Villagers are stricken with covid, treatment is right at the doorstep. That is to be celebrated and it’s important to remember, we are all moving around covid carriers from time to time everywhere.:coolsmiley:

[John Mayes]

Modern History will be written as Pre CV and then Post CV.

You’re probably correct and post-COVID is nothing to be proud of. I’ve followed this site since before we decided to buy in TV. I have a much different opinion of some now versus when I first started to follow. Oh well, sometimes true character shows through in times of fear and panic.

[stanley]

You’re probably correct and post-COVID is nothing to be proud of. I’ve followed this site since before we decided to buy in TV. I have a much different opinion of some now versus when I first started to follow. Oh well, sometimes true character shows through in times of fear and panic.

You ain't seen nothing yet!

[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=jimjamuser;1995818]Well, one thing about "CONTAGIOUS" that we ALL can agree on is that more and more morgue freezer trucks are coming to a hospital and state near.....Y.......O.......U

Well, one does not need to have initials behind his name to use common sense. So, what I do know from living 70+ years is, fear causes stress, and stress weakens the immune system. In this instance the saying "You attract what you fear" applies. So, I think those morgue freezer trucks will be coming to a hospital and state much closed to Y...O...U... than to me.
Kudos, that was a very clever reply post. Impressive! I agree that fear causes stress and stress causes decreased immunity. An OCASSIONAL fear would NOT decrease immunity, but constant stress would. Humans and other animals are known to engage in BOTH survival tactics of flight or fight. Fear can heighten the senses so that we are better able to make that decision - do I run or do I fight? So, the DEGREE of fear and the OBSERVATION of it are key issues in any situation.

I answered a post about the DEGREE of contagion of the Delta variant. That is like a question about DEGREE of FEAR or rational FEAR that one should have concerning the Delta variant. I knew that Delta was more contagious than the prior variants, but I could NOT quantify that degree or degree of FEAR. I did NOT believe that there is NO fear for Delta (rational fear). So, I used the example of freezer trucks to illustrate a high degree of seriousness or rational fear that should be accorded to something as deadly as the Delta variant. it is up to each individual to handle that seriousness in their own way. Each individual needs to decide how much that freezer truck knowledge stresses them. To solve a problem first you have to ACKNOWLEDGE that a problem exists. Good luck!

[Spalumbos62]

Hmm, pot calling the kettle black?

Case in point.....too bad buttercup??? That was rude of you and I let you know people in general don't care for snarkiness and instead of stopping and maybe digesting it, for one second, you come back with yet another childish comment..no wonder they are dropping like flies off this forum of ours.

[Spalumbos62]

I've avoided Brownwood for 8 years...:)
I bet anyone (even vaccinated) will rush (NOT AVOID) to Brownwood if/when they become infected...........:icon_wink:

News flash: you will have no more chance of catching covid at the village square in Brownwood then you would shopping at Publix or Walmart. Better avoid them also..:icon_wink:

I dont agree with the chances...I believe it's more...just by the numbers. Any given square, at anytime...odds are probably all the same....but if all the sickly are coming to get their shot, whatever it is, now you have more people in that one square and a bigger % of them are sick. I would say your odds increase.

[Spalumbos62]

I know that if I was the one coming out of that theater, I would go straight home.

Those of you who think they will go shopping or dining on the square think so because that is what YOU would do.

??????

[coffeebean]

I know that if I was the one coming out of that theater, I would go straight home.

Those of you who think they will go shopping or dining on the square think so because that is what YOU would do.

Not me and that is for sure. We have been told all along that if we test positive for Covid we are to quarantine. That is most certainly what any responsible adult would do.

[coffeebean]

I am hoping those posters who are so opposed, and find they need treatment, will drive to Orlando to seek treatment, instead of using Brownwood.

I'm opposed to the Brownwood location for reasons already stated by several people on this thread. Having said that, it would certainly be silly to drive all the way to Orlando for a treatment that is available right here in The Villages. Just move it from the center of a town square but certainly not as far away as Orlando. There must be other locations that would be centrally located in The Villages.

[Spalumbos62]

Well, according to some (several) that post on here, those that are not vaccinated should or need to die, just to prove to them that they have made the better choice at getting vaccinated. I have even read them saying "I hope they die." They also want the unvaccinated to pay for everyone else's health care. Some on here are soooo charitable. And I should have added soooo convincing and must have surely caused many to log off and rush to be vaccinated. Apparently, they do not seem to understand several points that others (not me) have made regarding this matter:
Having a treatment for covid is a good thing
Having a treatment for covid in a close location is a good thing
Being infected with covid does NOT always mean that person was not vaccinated
Some folks cannot be vaccinated.
Walking past an infected person does not mean that you are certain to become infected.
AND,
Not all "other" persons are less intelligent or lacking in common sense than what some claim to have.
Obviously, those that are being treated will likely head home after the process. A few may even stop at the doughnut shop for a coffee and doughnut on their way home. If you have your vaccination and if either one of you are wearing a mask, then the chances are nil that you will become infected. If you fear infection, then don't go to the square. There are plenty of other places where you can obtain a fat pill and coffee.

I consider the news of this treatment in the Villages to be fantastic and it is a shame that some elitists find the need to criticize.

I never, ever read or thought someone was implying, on this post that if someone is not vaccinated they should die???? In fact, I think most people realize that currently, vax or not does not determine if you get the virus, just its severity.
I dont think if that a person is "about" town with all these sick people and they themselves are vaxed and masked, that it's enough-as you stated...hence all these vaxed ones getting sick.
As far as insurance goes, absolutely...if you are not compromised and still do not vax AND get sick and need hospitalization...yes, you should pay that bill....not other's bill, just your own, probably $100,000 bill.....kind of similar to what Delta airline is doing.

I think in time the volunteer nonvaxers will get excluded from almost all social interaction, lose their jobs and acquaintances bc its just too risky for the rest of us.

[jswirs]

[QUOTE=jswirs;1995832]
Kudos, that was a very clever reply post. Impressive! I agree that fear causes stress and stress causes decreased immunity. An OCASSIONAL fear would NOT decrease immunity, but constant stress would. Humans and other animals are known to engage in BOTH survival tactics of flight or fight. Fear can heighten the senses so that we are better able to make that decision - do I run or do I fight? So, the DEGREE of fear and the OBSERVATION of it are key issues in any situation.

I answered a post about the DEGREE of contagion of the Delta variant. That is like a question about DEGREE of FEAR or rational FEAR that one should have concerning the Delta variant. I knew that Delta was more contagious than the prior variants, but I could NOT quantify that degree or degree of FEAR. I did NOT believe that there is NO fear for Delta (rational fear). So, I used the example of freezer trucks to illustrate a high degree of seriousness or rational fear that should be accorded to something as deadly as the Delta variant. it is up to each individual to handle that seriousness in their own way. Each individual needs to decide how much that freezer truck knowledge stresses them. To solve a problem first you have to ACKNOWLEDGE that a problem exists. Good luck!

Thanks, I wish you well, and, at the expense of possibility being politically incorrect, GOD BLESS.

[asianthree]

They won't have to. They can go to TVRH, Leesburg, Ocala, etc. Many moons ago (Post #3) I supplied a link to all the sites in the US providing the treatment. Here it is again. https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.htm...301a7e262#data (https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=c0371324e1a44ad0aa77b6d301a7e262#data )

Sarcasm Sheldon, meaning those who are opposed please drive as far away as possible. Leave the close option to others.

[asianthree]

I'm opposed to the Brownwood location for reasons already stated by several people on this thread. Having said that, it would certainly be silly to drive all the way to Orlando for a treatment that is available right here in The Villages. Just move it from the center of a town square but certainly not as far away as Orlando. There must be other locations that would be centrally located in The Villages.

Sarcasm…..If you read the entire post, unless you have sheltered in place for 1.5 years you have been exposed more times than you can count, and not have a clue. I get why Golfing eagles get so frustrated. I am in place with less than 31% vaccinated, exposed 50 plus hours a week, yet fear is not what I wake to.

My nightmare right now is I need a new phone, but chips are not in the supply chain. Walking in Brownwood is in the bottom 1% for me.

[lkagele]

Reading all this believed misinformation makes me so angry and frustrated.

Maybe people felt the same back when we got the polio shot, but we didn't have the internet to "KNOW" it.

And of course, the explosion in Afghanistan.

I haven't slept well for days, have you?

I thought so.

Dr. Bennie Boom Bots says to try a couple shots of straight bourbon about a hour before bedtime. Works for me.

[biker1]

Nobody cares if you are opposed - especially the health care professionals who decided to use the Barnstorm theatre. The currently unused theatre has a lot of positives going for it. It is centrally located with easy access via Buena Vista, the back entrance is adjacent to plenty of open parking, and the inside is large, especially the two theatres where they are giving injections, so social distancing is easy. Those are what we call facts. Have you actually been there? You might want to reread the postings by Golfing Eagles on this thread, a retired physician who has quite understandably stopped responding to a slew of moronic posts, for a dose of reality.

I'm opposed to the Brownwood location for reasons already stated by several people on this thread. Having said that, it would certainly be silly to drive all the way to Orlando for a treatment that is available right here in The Villages. Just move it from the center of a town square but certainly not as far away as Orlando. There must be other locations that would be centrally located in The Villages.

[Yjacket74]

Why aren’t these people getting vaccinations? It infuriates me that this isn’t political, but a national health problem!!!
Monoclonal Antibody treatment is a secondary solution. I would like to know if those receiving these treatments are paying for it. They should have to pay for it if they won’t get a vaccination.
I would like to try to live like I did before 2020, so dammit, GET A VACCINATION!

[biker1]

How do you know they aren't vaccinated? Do you understand what a breakthrough infection is? Do you understand that many of the people getting the antibody shots have breakthrough infections?

Why aren’t these people getting vaccinations? It infuriates me that this isn’t political, but a national health problem!!!
Monoclonal Antibody treatment is a secondary solution. I would like to know if those receiving these treatments are paying for it. They should have to pay for it if they won’t get a vaccination.
I would like to try to live like I did before 2020, so dammit, GET A VACCINATION!

[Dana1963]

The Vovernment is billed $25 per dose not including the billions put up front for development in 2020.
The Monoclonal antibody treatment is estimated to be approximately $1200 per dose paid by federal Government

[MDLNB]

Case in point.....too bad buttercup??? That was rude of you and I let you know people in general don't care for snarkiness and instead of stopping and maybe digesting it, for one second, you come back with yet another childish comment..no wonder they are dropping like flies off this forum of ours.
Sounds to me like he or she hit the nail on the head and someone can't admit it.

[MDLNB]

I know of no other situation where there is a populated area set aside for high risk Covid-19 or Delta Virant virus carriers within a relative small square! This not only increases the risks because there are 300 at risk a day circulating in the relatively small
area but there are no normal controls for masks, etc. Why has the Villages Theater been set up to be a petri dish for the virus? It just doesn't make any sense? :popcorn:
Not knowing is not the same as NOT BEING such a place. Should hospitals be moved outside of the city?

To answer your question regarding the theater set up as a "petri" dish for the virus ---- it isn't. There is NO evidence that the virus will brew up a "petri" of disease by being treated INSIDE the theater.
For those that suggest that the Savannah RecCenter be used, why would you wish to shut down the RecCenter and all the activities for this? Maybe you would volunteer your home as a treatment site?

[MDLNB]

Nobody cares if you are opposed - especially the health care professionals who decided to use the Barnstorm theatre. The currently unused theatre has a lot of positives going for it. It is centrally located with easy access via Buena Vista, the back entrance is adjacent to plenty of open parking, and the inside is large, especially the two theatres where they are giving injections, so social distancing is easy. Those are what we call facts. Have you actually been there? You might want to reread the postings by Golfing Eagles on this thread, a retired physician who has quite understandably stopped responding to a slew of moronic posts, for a dose of reality.


:bigbow: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :coolsmiley:

[MDLNB]

Why aren’t these people getting vaccinations? It infuriates me that this isn’t political, but a national health problem!!!
Monoclonal Antibody treatment is a secondary solution. I would like to know if those receiving these treatments are paying for it. They should have to pay for it if they won’t get a vaccination.
I would like to try to live like I did before 2020, so dammit, GET A VACCINATION!


Did you pay for your vaccination? How do you know if they are vaccinated or not?

Judge not and be not judged...........or something like that.:pray:

[MDLNB]

The Vovernment is billed $25 per dose not including the billions put up front for development in 2020.
The Monoclonal antibody treatment is estimated to be approximately $1200 per dose paid by federal Government


It's good to see that American citizens are getting something for their money. We always see a lot of money going to other countries for Foreign Aid or to the illegal aliens swamping our country, so if the taxpayer gets a return on their money, it always looks great to me.

[Bonnevie]

Nobody cares if you are opposed - especially the health care professionals who decided to use the Barnstorm theatre. The currently unused theatre has a lot of positives going for it. It is centrally located with easy access via Buena Vista, the back entrance is adjacent to plenty of open parking, and the inside is large, especially the two theatres where they are giving injections, so social distancing is easy. Those are what we call facts. Have you actually been there? You might want to reread the postings by Golfing Eagles on this thread, a retired physician who has quite understandably stopped responding to a slew of moronic posts, for a dose of reality.

don't know what health care professionals are consulted by our governor....some seem pretty shaky to me. his previous public health roundtables have included Dr. Scott Atlas and doctors who advocate ivermectin.

[biker1]

Please state your professional qualifications in this matter.

don't know what health care professionals are consulted by our governor....some seem pretty shaky to me. his previous public health roundtables have included Dr. Scott Atlas and doctors who advocate ivermectin.

[jswirs]

Why aren’t these people getting vaccinations? It infuriates me that this isn’t political, but a national health problem!!!
Monoclonal Antibody treatment is a secondary solution. I would like to know if those receiving these treatments are paying for it. They should have to pay for it if they won’t get a vaccination.
I would like to try to live like I did before 2020, so dammit, GET A VACCINATION!

so, dammit, TAKE A CHILL PILL!

[Byte1]

don't know what health care professionals are consulted by our governor....some seem pretty shaky to me. his previous public health roundtables have included Dr. Scott Atlas and doctors who advocate ivermectin.

"Don't know" them but the they "seem pretty shaky?" Okayyyy.....

I think he made a great decision in this case. The EMPTY theater is almost as ideal as a hospital, if not better. :BigApplause: I am not a medical expert although I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so this is just my professional (?) opinion. If needed, I would rather go somewhere I know, rather than have to search for an unknown location. I believe that the suggestion to use the Savanna Center was not well thought out by the posters advocating such idea.

[PennBF]

Lets try something unique and different like stay on the subject that was originally posted! Does it make any sense to locate a facility that will treat 300 highly contagious patients a day in an area that is very close to restaurants and business and where some attend out side entertainment in close proximity to the Theater where these treatments will be made. There will be patients waiting outside using some of the business open to shop, some just sitting outside and near the theater having coffee and a pastry, etc. Remember the words passed on by the Medical personnel HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS! :ohdear:

[Mrprez]

Lets try something unique and different like stay on the subject that was originally posted! Does it make any sense to locate a facility that will treat 300 highly contagious patients a day in an area that is very close to restaurants and OLOR="red"]business and where some attend out side entertainment in close proximity to the Theater [/COLOR]where these treatment will be made. There will be patients waiting outside using some of the business open to shop, some just sitting outside and near the theater having coffee and a pastry, etc. Remember the words passed on by the Medical personnel HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS!:ohdear:

Mere speculation on your part.

[biker1]

Yes, let's try something different, such as not posting the same nonsense over and over and over again, as you have. This must be your 4th or 5th post speculating about the same thing. Here is the deal: you are not a decision maker.

Lets try something unique and different like stay on the subject that was originally posted! Does it make any sense to locate a facility that will treat 300 highly contagious patients a day in an area that is very close to restaurants and business and where some attend out side entertainment in close proximity to the Theater where these treatments will be made. There will be patients waiting outside using some of the business open to shop, some just sitting outside and near the theater having coffee and a pastry, etc. Remember the words passed on by the Medical personnel HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS! :ohdear:

[coffeebean]

why aren’t these people getting vaccinations? It infuriates me that this isn’t political, but a national health problem!!!
Monoclonal antibody treatment is a secondary solution. I would like to know if those receiving these treatments are paying for it. They should have to pay for it if they won’t get a vaccination.
i would like to try to live like i did before 2020, so dammit, get a vaccination!

yup!

[coffeebean]

How do you know they aren't vaccinated? Do you understand what a breakthrough infection is? Do you understand that many of the people getting the antibody shots have breakthrough infections?

I would imagine most folks receiving the antibody treatment are not vaccinated. Folks who are vaccinated have a very slim chance of needing hospitalization. That is the beauty of the vaccine.

Anyone have any stats on that?

[coffeebean]

don't know what health care professionals are consulted by our governor....some seem pretty shaky to me. his previous public health roundtables have included Dr. Scott Atlas and doctors who advocate ivermectin.

Oh, please no! This guy is a quack with a capital Q.

[Kenswing]

I would imagine most folks receiving the antibody treatment are not vaccinated. Folks who are vaccinated have a very slim chance of needing hospitalization. That is the beauty of the vaccine.

Anyone have any stats on that?Why would you post something coming from your imagination? Why not try to get some facts instead of just letting your imagination run wild?

[coffeebean]

Mere speculation on your part.

"Highly contagious" is not speculation. Where have you been?

[coffeebean]

Why would you post something coming from your imagination? Why not try to get some facts instead of just letting your imagination run wild?

I'll let you do that so you can prove me wrong.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not knowing is not the same as NOT BEING such a place. Should hospitals be moved outside of the city?

To answer your question regarding the theater set up as a "petri" dish for the virus ---- it isn't. There is NO evidence that the virus will brew up a "petri" of disease by being treated INSIDE the theater.
For those that suggest that the Savannah RecCenter be used, why would you wish to shut down the RecCenter and all the activities for this? Maybe you would volunteer your home as a treatment site?

I believe the point of it being somewhere other than the theatre, lies in the fact that most people getting these treatment shots are being brought there by someone else. And that someone else is often the spouse or close friend. And that someone else needs something to do while they wait for the person to get their treatment. Or maybe they BOTH stop off in the square before getting in line, have a bite to eat inside the restaurant, maybe go shopping in any of the myriad of shops...

You're supposedly already presenting symptoms when you go for this treatment. The entire square becomes a petri dish, if a majority of people heading to the treatment center are stopping along the way, with symptoms, many rejecting masks, most of them not vaccinated.

At the Sharon, it's more isolated. There's no place to walk to, where you'll be in close proximity to crowds of other people. There are no stores there, no shops, no restaurants. There's little to do there IF you are going specifically to get the treatment, other than wait in line. That makes it safe for everyone else.

[coffeebean]

I believe the point of it being somewhere other than the theatre, lies in the fact that most people getting these treatment shots are being brought there by someone else. And that someone else is often the spouse or close friend. And that someone else needs something to do while they wait for the person to get their treatment. Or maybe they BOTH stop off in the square before getting in line, have a bite to eat inside the restaurant, maybe go shopping in any of the myriad of shops...

You're supposedly already presenting symptoms when you go for this treatment. The entire square becomes a petri dish, if a majority of people heading to the treatment center are stopping along the way, with symptoms, many rejecting masks, most of them not vaccinated.

At the Sharon, it's more isolated. There's no place to walk to, where you'll be in close proximity to crowds of other people. There are no stores there, no shops, no restaurants. There's little to do there IF you are going specifically to get the treatment, other than wait in line. That makes it safe for everyone else.

OBB......please edit The Sharon for The Savannah Center. I think that is what you meant.

Do you really think that people who are symptomatic for Covid, seeking treatment at the theater, will NOT wear masks? I honestly have to think better of people who willing know they are contagious and know they must take measures for source control. I really want to think better of people. Am I being foolish?

[Aces4]

I believe the point of it being somewhere other than the theatre, lies in the fact that most people getting these treatment shots are being brought there by someone else. And that someone else is often the spouse or close friend. And that someone else needs something to do while they wait for the person to get their treatment. Or maybe they BOTH stop off in the square before getting in line, have a bite to eat inside the restaurant, maybe go shopping in any of the myriad of shops...

You're supposedly already presenting symptoms when you go for this treatment. The entire square becomes a petri dish, if a majority of people heading to the treatment center are stopping along the way, with symptoms, many rejecting masks, most of them not vaccinated.

At the Sharon, it's more isolated. There's no place to walk to, where you'll be in close proximity to crowds of other people. There are no stores there, no shops, no restaurants. There's little to do there IF you are going specifically to get the treatment, other than wait in line. That makes it safe for everyone else.

The Sharon is isolated with no shops in the vicinity? I think you meant the Savannah Center which is constantly booked for activities where the Barnwood Theater is wide open.

What is the panic when daily most people are carrying the virus or interacting with people carrying the virus? Now there is close by treatment if people do acquire the disease.

So a family member takes their loved one to a facility in the middle of the Mohave desert for treatment, takes them home and then heads to Brownwood for a drink, dinner and some new clothes shopping. What’s the difference other than dragging their lived one a great distance for help?

[Mrprez]

"Highly contagious" is not speculation. Where have you been?

That’s not what I was referring to and you know it. The speculation is the behavior of these people seeking treatment. That they will walk all the way around the building for a donut and a cup of coffee. The moral superiority of some of you makes me sick.

[biker1]

Actually, considering that over 90% of those living in The Villages have been vaccinated, I would expect that many of those getting treated are breakthrough cases. The antibody treatment is being recommended for those who have tested positive and those who have been near those who have been tested positive, even if they have been vaccinated.

I would imagine most folks receiving the antibody treatment are not vaccinated. Folks who are vaccinated have a very slim chance of needing hospitalization. That is the beauty of the vaccine.

Anyone have any stats on that?

[jimjamuser]

Not me and that is for sure. We have been told all along that if we test positive for Covid we are to quarantine. That is most certainly what any responsible adult would do.
That's the core of the issue. Are ALL adults responsible adults? It is likely that SOME are irresponsible adults. If most of the patients going for the monoclonal treatment are the same people that were anti-vaccine or vaccine-hesitant - then I would consider them to be by definition - IRRESPONSIBLE adults. Some other people might consider them to be "UNLUCKY" ADULTS - or maybe just "late-to-the-game" adults. I prefer the term irresponsible because they were NOT responsible ENOUGH to their fellow humans to want and try to do something to stop a nationwide and worldwide PLAGUE. CV in its current Delta variant form has swept like a cloud of suffering and death over the United States and we HAD the tools to stop it. But 40% of our patriotic countrymen and women REFUSED (and still refuse) to utilize that tool. And why? Because of ANTI-science or because of ANTI-government or because of ANTI-society? I feel that the window of time has closed on America. If we can NOT agree to fight a Pandemic, then what can we agree to fight? It seems like the answer is EACH OTHER.

[biker1]

No, the treatment is also being recommended if you live with someone who has tested positive. "If a majority of the people heading for the treatment center are stopping along the way ..." ? Where do you get this nonsense from? You have no idea what the numbers are. Seriously, when you don't know what you are talking about the best thing is to keep your trap shut.



You're supposedly already presenting symptoms when you go for this treatment. The entire square becomes a petri dish, if a majority of people heading to the treatment center are stopping along the way, with symptoms, many rejecting masks, most of them not vaccinated.

[Mrprez]

I wonder why an anti-vaxxer would all of a sudden be willing to take this new treatment. What is different between this and a vaccine?

[Aces4]

That's the core of the issue. Are ALL adults responsible adults? It is likely that SOME are irresponsible adults. If most of the patients going for the monoclonal treatment are the same people that were anti-vaccine or vaccine-hesitant - then I would consider them to be by definition - IRRESPONSIBLE adults. Some other people might consider them to be "UNLUCKY" ADULTS - or maybe just "late-to-the-game" adults. I prefer the term irresponsible because they were NOT responsible ENOUGH to their fellow humans to want and try to do something to stop a nationwide and worldwide PLAGUE. CV in its current Delta variant form has swept like a cloud of suffering and death over the United States and we HAD the tools to stop it. But 40% of our patriotic countrymen and women REFUSED (and still refuse) to utilize that tool. And why? Because of ANTI-science or because of ANTI-government or because of ANTI-society? I feel that the window of time has closed on America. If we can NOT agree to fight a Pandemic, then what can we agree to fight? It seems like the answer is EACH OTHER.


And then there are those who cannot get past inspecting their own navels and think everything is about them. Cloud of suffering and death hanging over us... have you heard about the new monoclonal treatment that is available, working exceedingly well and is very close by?
The drama injected into the covid pandemic is almost worse than the virus.

[biker1]

Well, we know that you aren't a scientist. Scientists provide data to support their theories. They don't say something without data and assume it is true until somebody proves them wrong.

I'll let you do that so you can prove me wrong.

[Bill14564]

No, the treatment is also being recommended if you live with someone who has tested positive. "If a majority of the people heading for the treatment center are stopping along the way ..." ? Where do you get this nonsense from? You have no idea what the numbers are. Seriously, when you don't know what you are talking about the best thing is to keep your trap shut.

I hope that statement is incorrect. Hopefully, people are not being advised to go to the treatment center simply because they live with someone who has tested positive.

According to the Florida Dept of Health site (https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/treatment/new-treatments/), the treatments are
intended to be used in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19 who are at high risk for progressing to severe disease and/or hospitalization.

[jimjamuser]

Why aren’t these people getting vaccinations? It infuriates me that this isn’t political, but a national health problem!!!
Monoclonal Antibody treatment is a secondary solution. I would like to know if those receiving these treatments are paying for it. They should have to pay for it if they won’t get a vaccination.
I would like to try to live like I did before 2020, so dammit, GET A VACCINATION!
I wish you, I, and everyone could live like before 2020. I don't think that will happen. Dr. Osterholm, a virus expert, states that he believes it will be with us for 5 MORE YEARS. Also, I feel that with respect to the big picture problem of the Delta variant, that the monoclonal treatments are "like a band-aid placed on a broken arm". Yes, it will help some people, but that will be OFFSET by the increased psychology of NOT needing to take the vaccines.

[Aces4]

I wish you, I, and everyone could live like before 2020. I don't think that will happen. Dr. Osterholm, a virus expert, states that he believes it will be with us for 5 MORE YEARS. Also, I feel that with respect to the big picture problem of the Delta variant, that the monoclonal treatments are "like a band-aid placed on a broken arm". Yes, it will help some people, but that will be OFFSET by the increased psychology of NOT needing to take the vaccines.


To say nothing of that tired old drum they hear beating and beating and beating and beating...............

[biker1]

It is correct. Our PCP recommended the antibody treatment for both of us when my wife tested positive with a breakthrough case. The folks at the Brownwood facility confirmed that it was appropriate if you lived with someone who has tested positive.

I hope that statement is incorrect. Hopefully, people are not being advised to go to the treatment center simply because they live with someone who has tested positive.

According to the Florida Dept of Health site (https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/treatment/new-treatments/), the treatments are
intended to be used in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19 who are at high risk for progressing to severe disease and/or hospitalization.

[jimjamuser]

I would imagine most folks receiving the antibody treatment are not vaccinated. Folks who are vaccinated have a very slim chance of needing hospitalization. That is the beauty of the vaccine.

Anyone have any stats on that?
I saw as statistics that less than 1% of the breakthroughs get hospitalized. And of those, a few with other serious ailments have died. I have only seen this once from a Doctor on TV. It could be one of those gray areas that are changing or don't have enough incidents involved for the stats to be solid? So, since it was asked about - I am volunteering what I know in the spirit of ADDING to a forum discussion. I do NOT claim it to be in any way COMPREHENSIVE.

[jimjamuser]

Why would you post something coming from your imagination? Why not try to get some facts instead of just letting your imagination run wild?
This IS a forum for public opinions to be expressed and knowledge gained for local risk assessment and other personal improvements. People to people knowledge swap. Opinions count for something in MY book. We are NOT capable of having this be a Scientific Review. And further, some posters get red in the face and DEMAND to see LINKS. Yet many LINKS are really subjective OPINIONS in disguise. I trust the OPINION of coffee bean more than the OPINION of DR Atlas. So I, for one, would like to continue to read the OPINION of coffee bean and others on this forum. Thank you very much to all !!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

I believe the point of it being somewhere other than the theatre, lies in the fact that most people getting these treatment shots are being brought there by someone else. And that someone else is often the spouse or close friend. And that someone else needs something to do while they wait for the person to get their treatment. Or maybe they BOTH stop off in the square before getting in line, have a bite to eat inside the restaurant, maybe go shopping in any of the myriad of shops...

You're supposedly already presenting symptoms when you go for this treatment. The entire square becomes a petri dish, if a majority of people heading to the treatment center are stopping along the way, with symptoms, many rejecting masks, most of them not vaccinated.

At the Sharon, it's more isolated. There's no place to walk to, where you'll be in close proximity to crowds of other people. There are no stores there, no shops, no restaurants. There's little to do there IF you are going specifically to get the treatment, other than wait in line. That makes it safe for everyone else.
I agree with the content of this post.

[jimjamuser]

I wonder why an anti-vaxxer would all of a sudden be willing to take this new treatment. What is different between this and a vaccine?
THAT is a GOOD question? The answer is a complex SOUP of culture, human nature, media like FACEBOOK, and propaganda - just to mention a few. Someone could write a book about that.

[jimjamuser]

And then there are those who cannot get past inspecting their own navels and think everything is about them. Cloud of suffering and death hanging over us... have you heard about the new monoclonal treatment that is available, working exceedingly well and is very close by?
The drama injected into the covid pandemic is almost worse than the virus.
It is TRUE that for an INDIVIDUAL that treatment could be a lifesaver. However, for the GREATER problem of society overcoming this Pandemic, those treatments will NOT stop the SPREAD. For society, it will be just a "drop in the bucket"!

[petiteone]

So someone who was exposed or tested positive, probably unvaccinated parks in the OUTDOOR parking lot, walks OUTDOORS into the theater that is closed for everything else, gets an infusion of monoclonal antibodies alongside others that are in the same boat, then walks OUTDOORS back to their car parked OUTDOORS So you're at the shops in the square---just how does this affect you? Hardly OUTRAGEOUS.

As a retired physician, I think this setting is problematic and dangerous. Glad Monoclonal antibodies are available but they should be given in more suitable and restricted setting. Someone wasn't thinking when they chose a theater in a public busy town center. Here in NY they are being given in clinics with required ventilation and mask mandates.

[MDLNB]

As a retired physician, I think this setting is problematic and dangerous. Glad Monoclonal antibodies are available but they should be given in more suitable and restricted setting. Someone wasn't thinking when they chose a theater in a public busy town center. Here in NY they are being given in clinics with required ventilation and mask mandates.


Sure, OK, right. So, what is a clinic? It is just another building with a few medical instruments and medical staff, right? Clinics are not in business areas? So, in NY where they stick almost dead covid patients in with seniors, they know what is best for US here in Florida? Maybe so. Maybe NOT.

The ONLY other suggestion in this thread has been a highly trafficked reccenter and they want it closed down from use so that patients can be treated. Then they will complain about not having the center available and then worry that it was sanitized well enough. Sorry, but that dog does not hunt.

The theater is NOT in a town center. It is open to a basically remote parking lot, not even near a business. Nothing like the hospital that is near very busy shopping. The theater is in an optimal location which is very easily reached.

Sorry, but if someone tells me that they are inconvenienced by the treatment facility being near the square, then my response is SOOOOO? Live with it. Life is full of inconveniences. Some times things just don't go your way. There are plenty of other places for the elitists to congregate.

[golfing eagles]

As a retired physician, I think this setting is problematic and dangerous. Glad Monoclonal antibodies are available but they should be given in more suitable and restricted setting. Someone wasn't thinking when they chose a theater in a public busy town center. Here in NY they are being given in clinics with required ventilation and mask mandates.

I can respect a different opinion from a colleague, but I have to ask if you are familiar with Brownwood, and the location of the theater, the parking lot and the back entrance?

Where is NY are these clinics in a less populated area? Certainly not NYU on 1st Ave or Lenox Hill on E 77th. Or are they? When I was in school, Kings County Hospital had 3,000 of the first 10,000 cases of HIV. The hysteria surrounding AIDS was similar to that of COVID. There were suggestions that all AIDS cases should be sent to an Aleutian Island! The NIMBYs didn't want them anywhere near them.

Then, add the factor that these are the same exact people that you would run into at the grocery store, bank, or pharmacy. Also add that most of them will follow the protocols, stay quarantined if positive and wear a mask. I really don't think anyone should get their undies in a bunch, unless we want to require a scarlet "C" or have them yell "unclean" if anyone comes near.

[jimjamuser]

As a retired physician, I think this setting is problematic and dangerous. Glad Monoclonal antibodies are available but they should be given in more suitable and restricted setting. Someone wasn't thinking when they chose a theater in a public busy town center. Here in NY they are being given in clinics with required ventilation and mask mandates.
I agree with the contents of this post.

[jimjamuser]

Sure, OK, right. So, what is a clinic? It is just another building with a few medical instruments and medical staff, right? Clinics are not in business areas? So, in NY where they stick almost dead covid patients in with seniors, they know what is best for US here in Florida? Maybe so. Maybe NOT.

The ONLY other suggestion in this thread has been a highly trafficked reccenter and they want it closed down from use so that patients can be treated. Then they will complain about not having the center available and then worry that it was sanitized well enough. Sorry, but that dog does not hunt.

The theater is NOT in a town center. It is open to a basically remote parking lot, not even near a business. Nothing like the hospital that is near very busy shopping. The theater is in an optimal location which is very easily reached.

Sorry, but if someone tells me that they are inconvenienced by the treatment facility being near the square, then my response is SOOOOO? Live with it. Life is full of inconveniences. Some times things just don't go your way. There are plenty of other places for the elitists to congregate.
Elitism, like just about everything, has degrees that depend on one's own reference point. For example, many people throughout Fl. and other states believe that ALL of TV Land is made up of elitists. Non-elitists could NEVER afford the PRICE of the NEW homes in the newer southern sections. And yes, I am talking about ECONOMIC elitism. There may be other people's classifications for different elitisms? I can't cover ALL of them!

[jimjamuser]

Post 343 mentioned "other places that ELITISTS" can go to. There are degrees of elitism just like degrees of most other things. Many Floridians would consider ALL residents of TV Land to be elitists. They would say that to AFFORD the newer homes in TV Land one MUST be, by their definition, an elitist, at least, an economic elitist. So, elitism depends on one's individual perspective.

[graciegirl]

Post 343 mentioned "other places that ELITISTS" can go to. There are degrees of elitism just like degrees of most other things. Many Floridians would consider ALL residents of TV Land to be elitists. They would say that to AFFORD the newer homes in TV Land one MUST be, by their definition, an elitist, at least, an economic elitist. So, elitism depends on one's individual perspective.

While we search for words to define what offends us, it is just as easy to find people and words that have good in them. Maybe the elite who are rich started out as poor and their good qualities and perseverance made things change. Living life is a series of adjustments and adaptations and trying to stay afloat and helping others to stay afloat.

[CFrance]

It is TRUE that for an INDIVIDUAL that treatment could be a lifesaver. However, for the GREATER problem of society overcoming this Pandemic, those treatments will NOT stop the SPREAD. For society, it will be just a "drop in the bucket"!
So we should just stop these treatments and let people overwhelm the hospitals or let them die?

[HapEvillager]

This Sunday morning at approximately 11:45 a.m. I drove past the entrance being utilized at the theatre on the East side of the building, across from Villages Golf Carts. No, the entrance is not at the rear of the building to the parking lot. A couple were walking out the door holding white cards. They were not masked. They crossed the street to the Villages Golf Cart establishment. As a retired RN, I am concerned about how this drug is being administered. Normally, in an actual clinic or hospital setting it is administered via IV, but I saw a poster on here state it was administered to her/him via “4 injections” at this Brownwood site. I’m not certain of the efficacy in this manner. There is no other way (IM vs IV) it could be projected that 300 patients could be treated in one day. And in case you are wondering, I normally refrain from posting on this site due to the unkind comments and snarkiness of some. Please get the vaccine. Our healthcare system is collapsing and my colleagues are exhausted and leaving the profession. Who will care for us in our time of need without these angels?

[coffeebean]

That’s not what I was referring to and you know it. The speculation is the behavior of these people seeking treatment. That they will walk all the way around the building for a donut and a cup of coffee. The moral superiority of some of you makes me sick.

You are confusing me........Isn't this following statement (by another poster) that you replied to as being pure speculation?.............

"Remember the words passed on by the Medical personnel HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS!"

I took your response to mean that this virus is not highly contagious. NO??? Sorry if I misunderstood your intention.

[coffeebean]

Actually, considering that over 90% of those living in The Villages have been vaccinated, I would expect that many of those getting treated are breakthrough cases. The antibody treatment is being recommended for those who have tested positive and those who have been near those who have been tested positive, even if they have been vaccinated.

Are we Villagers really at 90% vaccinated? I didn't realize the percentage was so high. That is amazing and I'm so glad to hear that. This is the reason I feel very safe living here in our bubble.

I get it that even break through cases can be treated with the monoclonal antibodies. But.....breakthrough cases are not nearly as many as those cases who have not been vaccinated. So, simple math tells me that more people who are not vaccinated will be requiring this treatment.

[coffeebean]

No, the treatment is also being recommended if you live with someone who has tested positive. "If a majority of the people heading for the treatment center are stopping along the way ..." ? Where do you get this nonsense from? You have no idea what the numbers are. Seriously, when you don't know what you are talking about the best thing is to keep your trap shut.

So......this monoclonal antibody treatment is for prophylaxis too? I didn't realize that. So......anyone can go get it? Just walk on in and do not even have to state that you have been exposed or think you have been exposed? Is that how it works?

[Bill14564]

This Sunday morning at approximately 11:45 a.m. I drove past the entrance being utilized at the theatre on the East side of the building, across from Villages Golf Carts. No, the entrance is not at the rear of the building to the parking lot. A couple were walking out the door holding white cards. They were not masked. They crossed the street to the Villages Golf Cart establishment. As a retired RN, I am concerned about how this drug is being administered. Normally, in an actual clinic or hospital setting it is administered via IV, but I saw a poster on here state it was administered to her/him via “4 injections” at this Brownwood site. I’m not certain of the efficacy in this manner. There is no other way (IM vs IV) it could be projected that 300 patients could be treated in one day. And in case you are wondering, I normally refrain from posting on this site due to the unkind comments and snarkiness of some. Please get the vaccine. Our healthcare system is collapsing and my colleagues are exhausted and leaving the profession. Who will care for us in our time of need without these angels?

The east exit of the theater near the road to the golf carts? Wouldn't that be *farther* from the square and also near the far end of the parking lot?

Fifteen minutes per patient with 10 stations over 8 hours works out to be 320 patients per day. Not sure how long it takes to perform the injections but 15 minutes seems adequate.

The FDA has authorized both intravenous and injection (easy to look up).

Not trying to be snarky, just passing along information.

[Velvet]

I read that household close contact is the most likelihood of transmission and if you were exposed to such a person who is positive it is suggested that you get monoclonal treatment too even if fully vaccinated.

[EdFNJ]

This Sunday morning at approximately 11:45 a.m. I drove past the entrance being utilized at the theatre on the East side of the building, across from Villages Golf Carts. No, the entrance is not at the rear of the building to the parking lot. A couple were walking out the door holding white cards. They were not masked. They crossed the street to the Villages Golf Cart establishment. As a retired RN, I am concerned about how this drug is being administered. Normally, in an actual clinic or hospital setting it is administered via IV, but I saw a poster on here state it was administered to her/him via “4 injections” at this Brownwood site. I’m not certain of the efficacy in this manner. There is no other way (IM vs IV) it could be projected that 300 patients could be treated in one day. And in case you are wondering, I normally refrain from posting on this site due to the unkind comments and snarkiness of some. Please get the vaccine. Our healthcare system is collapsing and my colleagues are exhausted and leaving the profession. Who will care for us in our time of need without these angels?




Q: What is the treatment like?

A: Those getting this treatment but who haven't been vaccinated must wait 90 days to get the shots. Unlike vaccinations, which involve getting a shot in a matter of a few seconds, the monoclonal antibody treatment itself takes some time.
There are two kinds of treatment: IV infusions and one involving multiple injections.
IV infusions are what they sound like. Patients are hooked up to an IV to get the infusion, which takes between 20 minutes to an hour. Patients are then monitored for an hour afterward.
The shots are somewhat quicker. It's actually four injections that are administered in different parts of the body to prevent injury — usually one in each arm and then in the abdomen and other large muscle areas.

[golfing eagles]

Free to the receiver, but you can bet someone is paying for it. You say you aren’t a medical person but you’re posting links and stuff about COVID and aneurism’s and suicide.

Because she is allowed to. You don't have to be a physician to "post" about a medical subject----you may be wrong, but that's the chance you take. But I'm sure of one thing----she knows how to spell "aneurysm"

[CFrance]

Because she is allowed to. You don't have to be a physician to "post" about a medical subject----you may be wrong, but that's the chance you take. But I'm sure of one thing----she knows how to spell "aneurysm"
She probably also knows an apostrophe+s indicates possession, not a plural.

[graciegirl]

She probably also knows an apostrophe+s indicates possession, not a plural.

I have always liked you and respected you. I love your doggy too.

Sometimes I err. We all do. It's alright to make a mistake once in awhile.

[golfing eagles]

I have always liked you and respected you. I love your doggy too.

Sometimes I err. We all do. It's alright to make a mistake once in awhile.

Not your error, it was your critic's. (note proper use of the apostrophe)

[biker1]

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[jimjamuser]

So we should just stop these treatments and let people overwhelm the hospitals or let them die?
Well no! And I thought that I covered that when I said that, for the INDIVIDUAL, it is a GOOD thing.

[biker1]

I guess if you are into lying you could do that. Why someone without an obvious risk factor would do that is not clear to me.

So......this monoclonal antibody treatment is for prophylaxis too? I didn't realize that. So......anyone can go get it? Just walk on in and do not even have to state that you have been exposed or think you have been exposed? Is that how it works?

[biker1]

Yes, we all know that. What is your point?

Are we Villagers really at 90% vaccinated? I didn't realize the percentage was so high. That is amazing and I'm so glad to hear that. This is the reason I feel very safe living here in our bubble.

I get it that even break through cases can be treated with the monoclonal antibodies. But.....breakthrough cases are not nearly as many as those cases who have not been vaccinated. So, simple math tells me that more people who are not vaccinated will be requiring this treatment.

[jimjamuser]

This Sunday morning at approximately 11:45 a.m. I drove past the entrance being utilized at the theatre on the East side of the building, across from Villages Golf Carts. No, the entrance is not at the rear of the building to the parking lot. A couple were walking out the door holding white cards. They were not masked. They crossed the street to the Villages Golf Cart establishment. As a retired RN, I am concerned about how this drug is being administered. Normally, in an actual clinic or hospital setting it is administered via IV, but I saw a poster on here state it was administered to her/him via “4 injections” at this Brownwood site. I’m not certain of the efficacy in this manner. There is no other way (IM vs IV) it could be projected that 300 patients could be treated in one day. And in case you are wondering, I normally refrain from posting on this site due to the unkind comments and snarkiness of some. Please get the vaccine. Our healthcare system is collapsing and my colleagues are exhausted and leaving the profession. Who will care for us in our time of need without these angels?
I agree with the contents of this post.

[coffeebean]

I wish you, I, and everyone could live like before 2020. I don't think that will happen. Dr. Osterholm, a virus expert, states that he believes it will be with us for 5 MORE YEARS. Also, I feel that with respect to the big picture problem of the Delta variant, that the monoclonal treatments are "like a band-aid placed on a broken arm". Yes, it will help some people, but that will be OFFSET by the increased psychology of NOT needing to take the vaccines.

I still do not understand why people will opt for a treatment that has EUA rather than the Pfizer vaccine that has full FDA approval at this point in time. What is the rationale?

[coffeebean]

This IS a forum for public opinions to be expressed and knowledge gained for local risk assessment and other personal improvements. People to people knowledge swap. Opinions count for something in MY book. We are NOT capable of having this be a Scientific Review. And further, some posters get red in the face and DEMAND to see LINKS. Yet many LINKS are really subjective OPINIONS in disguise. I trust the OPINION of coffee bean more than the OPINION of DR Atlas. So I, for one, would like to continue to read the OPINION of coffee bean and others on this forum. Thank you very much to all !!!!!!

Thank you for that. You are correct that most of the statements made on this forum are opinions and folks are entitled to state them. It really is quite easy to spot the opinions though that are based on conspiracy theories, at least for me it is anyway. Dr. Scott Altas is wrapped up in conspiracy theories so I don't take anything he has to say as having any credence.

[biker1]

It is actually subcutaneous, not IM. Arm or stomach. They have 10 stations, takes about 2 minutes for the injections. There is, of course, some paperwork time. One hour wait time to check for a reaction. Regarding the efficacy, I have not seen any specific data.

This Sunday morning at approximately 11:45 a.m. I drove past the entrance being utilized at the theatre on the East side of the building, across from Villages Golf Carts. No, the entrance is not at the rear of the building to the parking lot. A couple were walking out the door holding white cards. They were not masked. They crossed the street to the Villages Golf Cart establishment. As a retired RN, I am concerned about how this drug is being administered. Normally, in an actual clinic or hospital setting it is administered via IV, but I saw a poster on here state it was administered to her/him via “4 injections” at this Brownwood site. I’m not certain of the efficacy in this manner. There is no other way (IM vs IV) it could be projected that 300 patients could be treated in one day. And in case you are wondering, I normally refrain from posting on this site due to the unkind comments and snarkiness of some. Please get the vaccine. Our healthcare system is collapsing and my colleagues are exhausted and leaving the profession. Who will care for us in our time of need without these angels?

[coffeebean]

This Sunday morning at approximately 11:45 a.m. I drove past the entrance being utilized at the theatre on the East side of the building, across from Villages Golf Carts. No, the entrance is not at the rear of the building to the parking lot. A couple were walking out the door holding white cards. They were not masked. They crossed the street to the Villages Golf Cart establishment. As a retired RN, I am concerned about how this drug is being administered. Normally, in an actual clinic or hospital setting it is administered via IV, but I saw a poster on here state it was administered to her/him via “4 injections” at this Brownwood site. I’m not certain of the efficacy in this manner. There is no other way (IM vs IV) it could be projected that 300 patients could be treated in one day. And in case you are wondering, I normally refrain from posting on this site due to the unkind comments and snarkiness of some. Please get the vaccine. Our healthcare system is collapsing and my colleagues are exhausted and leaving the profession. Who will care for us in our time of need without these angels?

And yet.....there are people who claim that this is "fake news". They do not believe this is happening to our health care system because this is what is being reported on MSM. To be honest, it scares the heck out of me to think we may not be able to get proper medical care in an emergency.

[jimjamuser]

I guess if you are into lying you could do that. Why someone without an obvious risk factor would do that is not clear to me.
I can't know exactly what is in their mind. But, I can guess that they think that they NEED it for PREVENTION of CV - in lieu of another free PREVENTION that MORE people are taking called a CV vaccination shot. How the Health Care and Medical Science in the US has gotten so twisted and turned around 180 degrees on itself, I don't know. Someone may write a book about that? I think that some people think that it is free and like insurance and they have the time - so, why NOT? They might also be psychologically seeking attention for attention's sake. The CDC's rules seem stricter than Florida's rules. So, I wonder what would happen if some lawyer sued Florida over this? Is it good for society and economics to hand out treatments like candy when we have a known PREVENTION in the form of CV vaccines? I KNOW that the treatments are GREAT for those that REALLY need them, but there must be some downsides to administrating treatments to those that just FEEL that they WANT them?

[coffeebean]

Yes, we all know that. What is your point?

I responded to a statement that many of those receiving the monoclonal treatment are breakthrough cases. My point is that more people who are not vaccinated will be receiving the treatment than folks with break through cases. This remains a pandemic of the un-vaccinated and that is also my point.

[biker1]

Yes, we all know that. There is no need to keep stating the obvious.

I responded to a statement that many of those receiving the monoclonal treatment are breakthrough cases. My point is that more people who are not vaccinated will be receiving the treatment than folks with break through cases. This remains a pandemic of the un-vaccinated and that is also my point.

[coffeebean]

Yes, we all know that. There is no need to keep stating the obvious.

There are still people who do not believe "the obvious" so why not attempt to reach those people? Is it futile? I don't think so.

[Escape Artist]

This Sunday morning at approximately 11:45 a.m. I drove past the entrance being utilized at the theatre on the East side of the building, across from Villages Golf Carts. No, the entrance is not at the rear of the building to the parking lot. A couple were walking out the door holding white cards. They were not masked. They crossed the street to the Villages Golf Cart establishment. As a retired RN, I am concerned about how this drug is being administered. Normally, in an actual clinic or hospital setting it is administered via IV, but I saw a poster on here state it was administered to her/him via “4 injections” at this Brownwood site. I’m not certain of the efficacy in this manner. There is no other way (IM vs IV) it could be projected that 300 patients could be treated in one day. And in case you are wondering, I normally refrain from posting on this site due to the unkind comments and snarkiness of some. Please get the vaccine. Our healthcare system is collapsing and my colleagues are exhausted and leaving the profession. Who will care for us in our time of need without these angels?

Well, then you would know that many health care workers choose not to be vaccinated and they are now being forced to through mandates in various states. They obviously don't think the vaccines are so wonderful, right?

[biker1]

I think we can safely assume that this forum is primarily, perhaps overwhelmingly, read by people who live in The Villages. Over 90% of those have been fully vaccinated, as per the CDC. If you wish to expand the readership to Sumter County then the percentage fully vaccinated is nearly 80%. The ones who haven't been vaccinated either have some specific health issue that precludes vaccination or they have decided that the cons outweigh the pros. If you are of typical age in The Villages, I believe the pros outweigh the cons, by a large margin, but it is their decision. It is the height of hubris to assume that you will "reach those people" or that it is your role in life to "reach those people" in The Villages. If you want to provide some new facts then that is fine but repeatedly make the same statements over and over again serves no purpose. You do not have the domain expertise that would mark you as someone to pay attention to.

There are still people who do not believe "the obvious" so why not attempt to reach those people? Is it futile? I don't think so.

[GoPacers]

Well, then you would know that many health care workers choose not to be vaccinated and they are now being forced to through mandates in various states. They obviously don't think the vaccines are so wonderful, right?

They always have the option/right to find another job. It's really that simple.

Just because someone works in healthcare doesn't mean they understand healthcare, virology or science.

[Aces4]

It is TRUE that for an INDIVIDUAL that treatment could be a lifesaver. However, for the GREATER problem of society overcoming this Pandemic, those treatments will NOT stop the SPREAD. For society, it will be just a "drop in the bucket"!

I’m unaware of anything that will stop the spread currently. I’m running into so many vaccinated people with breakthrough covid who spread it to their partners that I’m not convinced anything now offered will stop the spread.

[Aces4]

I can't know exactly what is in their mind. But, I can guess that they think that they NEED it for PREVENTION of CV - in lieu of another free PREVENTION that MORE people are taking called a CV vaccination shot. How the Health Care and Medical Science in the US has gotten so twisted and turned around 180 degrees on itself, I don't know. Someone may write a book about that? I think that some people think that it is free and like insurance and they have the time - so, why NOT? They might also be psychologically seeking attention for attention's sake. The CDC's rules seem stricter than Florida's rules. So, I wonder what would happen if some lawyer sued Florida over this? Is it good for society and economics to hand out treatments like candy when we have a known PREVENTION in the form of CV vaccines? I KNOW that the treatments are GREAT for those that REALLY need them, but there must be some downsides to administrating treatments to those that just FEEL that they WANT them?

There is no way to fully prevent covid at this point. Unfortunately, breakthrough is alive and well and now they’re considering 5 month boosters. This virus isn’t going anywhere for a long while even with full vaccination at this time.

[biker1]

Do you have any evidence that people who do not need the antibody treatment are getting it? If so, what percentage of the treatments are unwarranted? Do you have any evidence that people are getting the antibody treatment instead of one of the available vaccines? If so, what percentage of the treatments are instead of the vaccine? If you do have the data then please present it. Speculating on what people may or may not be doing is useless. Oh, and by the way, the vaccines do not prevent you from becoming infected - there is a significant number of breakthrough cases and no vaccine is 100% effective. You should not be using the word "prevention" - the connotation is one of absolute effectiveness. They are effective, however, at significantly reducing the probability of hospitalization and death.

I can't know exactly what is in their mind. But, I can guess that they think that they NEED it for PREVENTION of CV - in lieu of another free PREVENTION that MORE people are taking called a CV vaccination shot. How the Health Care and Medical Science in the US has gotten so twisted and turned around 180 degrees on itself, I don't know. Someone may write a book about that? I think that some people think that it is free and like insurance and they have the time - so, why NOT? They might also be psychologically seeking attention for attention's sake. The CDC's rules seem stricter than Florida's rules. So, I wonder what would happen if some lawyer sued Florida over this? Is it good for society and economics to hand out treatments like candy when we have a known PREVENTION in the form of CV vaccines? I KNOW that the treatments are GREAT for those that REALLY need them, but there must be some downsides to administrating treatments to those that just FEEL that they WANT them?

[Escape Artist]

They always have the option/right to find another job. It's really that simple.

Just because someone works in healthcare doesn't mean they understand healthcare, virology or science.

That's not a job, it's their profession. there's a difference. The person I replied to ascribed otherworldly qualities to them and called them "angels" and then made it seem as if they belonged to a victim group we have to feel sorry for. So if you're right, and it's just a "job", then if they feel stressed or overworked then they should quit.

[coffeebean]

Well, then you would know that many health care workers choose not to be vaccinated and they are now being forced to through mandates in various states. They obviously don't think the vaccines are so wonderful, right?

I don't know what those health care workers are thinking to be honest. They should be aware that the vaccine keeps people out of the hospital. Are they worrying about job security? (That was snide, sorry).

Seriously, those health care workers who still refuse the vaccine after dealing with the amount of death and dying from Covid only makes me think they have a screw loose (or two).

[coffeebean]

I think we can safely assume that this forum is primarily, perhaps overwhelmingly, read by people who live in The Villages. Over 90% of those have been fully vaccinated, as per the CDC. If you wish to expand the readership to Sumter County then the percentage fully vaccinated is nearly 80%. The ones who haven't been vaccinated either have some specific health issue that precludes vaccination or they have decided that the cons outweigh the pros. If you are of typical age in The Villages, I believe the pros outweigh the cons, by a large margin, but it is their decision. It is the height of hubris to assume that you will "reach those people" or that it is your role in life to "reach those people" in The Villages. If you want to provide some new facts then that is fine but repeatedly make the same statements over and over again serves no purpose. You do not have the domain expertise that would mark you as someone to pay attention to.

I repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat what is being said by the experts. I don't make this stuff up, honestly. Are our experts supposed to stop getting the word out? I surely hope not.

This is a pandemic of the un-vaccinated! There, I said it again.

[coffeebean]

They always have the option/right to find another job. It's really that simple.

Just because someone works in healthcare doesn't mean they understand healthcare, virology or science.

Is it possible, many of these "health care workers" are not professional nurses or doctors? Of course it is. Many of these "health care workers" are nurse's aides and technicians of many sorts. They do not have the education of a professional.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION OF COURSE!

[Aces4]

I repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat what is being said by the experts. I don't make this stuff up, honestly. Are our experts supposed to stop getting the word out? I surely hope not.

This is a pandemic of the un-vaccinated! There, I said it again.


I wish the people I know who got covid recently, even though they were totally vaccinated, passed it to other people who were also vaccinated, would have this information. Don’t they know that just can’t be?

And for the next question, they are in their early fifties and yes, they were sick. It wasn’t just a case of the sniffles.

[golfing eagles]

I wish the people I know who got covid recently, even though they were totally vaccinated, passed it to other people who were also vaccinated, would have this information. Don’t they know that just can’t be?

And for the next question, they are in their early fifties and yes, they were sick. It wasn’t just a case of the sniffles.

I'm sure there are vaccinated people who get COVID, but you cannot prove that they "passed in on to other vaccinated people". Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

But over 90% of the hospitalized and 98% of the deaths are among the UNvaccinated, so I agree with the bean of the coffee

[jimjamuser]

I still do not understand why people will opt for a treatment that has EUA rather than the Pfizer vaccine that has full FDA approval at this point in time. What is the rationale?
Facebook, dark media, culture, religion, tribal thinking, leadership, rural v city life, racism, propaganda-both external and internal, and multiple other factors. The fabric of America as a cohesive society is torn and fraying as we speak. The big question is will the future be better or worse?????

[Aces4]

I'm sure there are vaccinated people who get COVID, but you cannot prove that they "passed in on to other vaccinated people". Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

But over 90% of the hospitalized and 98% of the deaths are among the UNvaccinated, so I agree with the bean of the coffee

When is strikes the female spouse, who tested negative first test, and then is acquired by her partner, I would say those two vaccinated people were just coincidences? She is recovered but a nagging cough still plagues her and her sense of taste has not recovered. He is still fighting it and I was told of this case yesterday at an outdoor family event.

How can the bean of the coffee state, “it’s the pandemic of the unvaccinated”?

[Aces4]

Facebook, dark media, culture, religion, tribal thinking, leadership, rural v city life, racism, propaganda-both external and internal, and multiple other factors. The fabric of America as a cohesive society is torn and fraying as we speak. The big question is will the future be better or worse?????

That’s quite a list and you have determined yourself to be superior to those people and items you listed, talked about fraying the fabric of America.

[golfing eagles]

When is strikes the female spouse, who tested negative first test, and then is acquired by her partner, I would say those two vaccinated people were just coincidences? She is recovered but a nagging cough still plagues her and her sense of taste has not recovered. He is still fighting it and I was told of this case yesterday at an outdoor family event.

How can the bean of the coffee state, “it’s the pandemic of the unvaccinated”?

Because, once again (and again and again and....)over 90% of the hospitalized and 98% of the deaths are among the UNvaccinated

Yes, SOME vaccinated people also get it, also are hospitalized and also die, but they are a small minority. Nothing is 100% effective,

[jswirs]

I repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat what is being said by the experts. I don't make this stuff up, honestly. Are our experts supposed to stop getting the word out? I surely hope not.

This is a pandemic of the un-vaccinated! There, I said it again.

Wow! More than just one person here needs to take a CHILL PILL!

All this fear and worry solves nothing, in fact, it is counter-productive to your health.

IMHO, all you folks that are so concerned need to get on with your life, as best as you can, because I very much doubt that anyone is going to change their minds regarding how to handle Covid, and, Covid will be around us for quite some time. In the words of Paul McCartney, "LET IT BE" There I said it again.

[jimjamuser]

Well, then you would know that many health care workers choose not to be vaccinated and they are now being forced to through mandates in various states. They obviously don't think the vaccines are so wonderful, right?
97% of US Medical Doctors are FULLY vaccinated. It IS the LOWER level nurses, CNAs, x-ray techs, and etc. that do NOT get vaccinated due to multiple factors like Facebook, leadership, religion, foreign agent propaganda influences, culture, US regional differences, and many other factors. They are tearing apart ALL US institutions including our once superior Health Care System. And please.......no Dr. Fauci and CDC slurs.......that just shows more lower cognitive levels.

[Aces4]

Because, once again (and again and again and....)over 90% of the hospitalized and 98% of the deaths are among the UNvaccinated

Yes, SOME vaccinated people also get it, also are hospitalized and also die, but they are a small minority. Nothing is 100% effective,

Therefore, your last paragraph describes it as a pandemic of the people, not the unvaccinated as espoused earlier, which was the point I made... once again and again and again.

[golfing eagles]

Therefore, your last paragraph describes as a pandemic of the people, not the unvaccinated as espoused earlier, which was the point I made... once again and again and again.

OK, I'll cry uncle on the semantic game and rephrase for you: This is a pandemic of all the people, of which the overwhelming majority are UNVACCINATED

[Aces4]

OK, I'll cry uncle on the semantic game and rephrase for you: This is a pandemic of all the people, of which the overwhelming majority are UNVACCINATED


I totally agree:MOJE_whot: and can we also agree that at this time treatment is probably more important than the weak vaccines which need constant boosting? The monoclonal treatment is yielding promise and that is exciting. (Yes, along with the vaccines...)

[Bill14564]

I totally agree:MOJE_whot: and can we also agree that at this time treatment is probably more important than the weak vaccines which need constant boosting? The monoclonal treatment is yielding promise and that is exciting. (Yes, along with the vaccines...)

Gross misunderstanding of both the vaccines and the antibody treatment.

[golfing eagles]

I totally agree:MOJE_whot: and can we also agree that at this time treatment is probably more important than the weak vaccines which need constant boosting? The monoclonal treatment is yielding promise and that is exciting. (Yes, along with the vaccines...)

Sorry, can't agree with that. These vaccines are probably the most effective ever developed. Of course, viruses like to change and therefore make this a moving target. What we need is a universal vaccine for all viruses (Did Dr. McCoy have one?). But until then, these vaccines are the best we have.

Monoclonal antibody therapy appears to have some utility, at least it's better than ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine/IV vitamin crap:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

I think we can safely assume that this forum is primarily, perhaps overwhelmingly, read by people who live in The Villages. Over 90% of those have been fully vaccinated, as per the CDC. If you wish to expand the readership to Sumter County then the percentage fully vaccinated is nearly 80%. The ones who haven't been vaccinated either have some specific health issue that precludes vaccination or they have decided that the cons outweigh the pros. If you are of typical age in The Villages, I believe the pros outweigh the cons, by a large margin, but it is their decision. It is the height of hubris to assume that you will "reach those people" or that it is your role in life to "reach those people" in The Villages. If you want to provide some new facts then that is fine but repeatedly make the same statements over and over again serves no purpose. You do not have the domain expertise that would mark you as someone to pay attention to.
So, saying that someone "does not have the domain expertise" to be allowed to speak or post is like assuming a role of enforcer in chief of allowable content. That, to me, sounds like Joeseph Stalin talking. In the US our "little people" are allowed to speak - it is called FREE SPEECH............what a concept!!!!

[Velvet]

I totally agree:MOJE_whot: and can we also agree that at this time treatment is probably more important than the weak vaccines which need constant boosting? The monoclonal treatment is yielding promise and that is exciting. (Yes, along with the vaccines...)

Just out of curiosity why would you like a treatment to a prevention in the first place?

Surely a 10 minute trip to get a vaccine whenever you need it doesn’t make that much of a dent in your time. And isn’t it nice to layer, to have a vaccine and if you get Covid anyway, then have a treatment available too? This Covid is an invisible enemy and I like to throw everything at it, myself.

[jimjamuser]

I’m unaware of anything that will stop the spread currently. I’m running into so many vaccinated people with breakthrough covid who spread it to their partners that I’m not convinced anything now offered will stop the spread.
It is possible that statement is correct for today-currently. Our big chance to finish off CV in the US was late April or early May but 40% of America said "no way" and dug in their collective heels. It may be too late now, today - that IS correct. However, this is SO IMPORTANT that, for myself, I am HOPING that enough large and small businesses MANDATE vaccines that CV can be STOPPED. I try to be optimistic!!!!!

[biker1]

So you keep repeating the same thing that everyone knows to a forum where most likely over 90% have been vaccinated. Yeah, keep up the productive work.


I repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat what is being said by the experts. I don't make this stuff up, honestly. Are our experts supposed to stop getting the word out? I surely hope not.

This is a pandemic of the un-vaccinated! There, I said it again.

[biker1]

I never said and don’t put words in my mouth. Try rereading the post and not putting your own twisted spin on it.


So, saying that someone "does not have the domain expertise" to be allowed to speak or post is like assuming a role of enforcer in chief of allowable content. That, to me, sounds like Joeseph Stalin talking. In the US our "little people" are allowed to speak - it is called FREE SPEECH............what a concept!!!!

[Aces4]

Sorry, can't agree with that. These vaccines are probably the most effective ever developed. Of course, viruses like to change and therefore make this a moving target. What we need is a universal vaccine for all viruses (Did Dr. McCoy have one?). But until then, these vaccines are the best we have.

Monoclonal antibody therapy appears to have some utility, at least it's better than ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine/IV vitamin crap:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I wasn’t highlighting the “crap” as you put it.

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