The 7 Stages of Covid

[Wyseguy]

??? Where did you get that idea?

Is there a site that ranks Covid restrictions? Certainly, California, New Jersey, and New York would rank high on that list but they are among the states with the smallest increase. Florida must be one of the least restrictive states and led the pack with the current surge.

Florida is not even in the top ten. Texas is not on the list either.
Data was last updated Sept. 20. New cases are measured per 100,000 people.

Louisiana

Seven-day change: 100 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 1,344

Wisconsin

Seven-day change: 50.08 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 2,863

Alaska

Seven-day change: 30.84 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 750

Montana

Seven-day change: 25.02 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 712

Wyoming

Seven-day change: 23.3 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 464

North Dakota

Seven-day change: 19.91 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 350

Michigan

Seven-day change: 14.68 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 3,723

Connecticut

Seven-day change: 6.78 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 748

New Jersey

Seven-day change: 4.81 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 2,133

Maryland

Seven-day change: 3.16 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 1,245

I will post the article as well if you like.

Take nothing for granted. You would think FL and TX led the pack, from the way the TV is reporting.

[Wyseguy]

??? Where did you get that idea?

Is there a site that ranks Covid restrictions? Certainly, California, New Jersey, and New York would rank high on that list but they are among the states with the smallest increase. Florida must be one of the least restrictive states and led the pack with the current surge.


Florida is doing better than NY and NJ. I expanded the list to all 50 states. Again, watching TV one would think FL and TX were the two states with the highest rates. This is yet another reason why people do not trust what is being reported. I'd like to add, the gov't restricting the monoclonal meds to Fl comes across as a very petty, partisan issue. Definitely divisive.

[SkBlogW]

You are quoting data from a single large gathering in a single county in one state that involved less than 500 people. IN NO WAY can that be extrapolated into the hundreds of millions that have been vaccinated. Try again.

LOL You haven't cited any scientific data backing up your assertion that " the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low."

Try again.

[Wyseguy]

Sweden. 2020. showing coffins of people who died from Covid. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Sweden.+2020.+showing+coffins+of+people+w ho+died+from+Covid.&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle)

France is overwhelmed by Covid deaths. 2020 - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=France%20is%20overwhelmed%20by%20Covid%20 deaths.%202020&qs=n&form=QBIR&sp=-1&pq=france%20is%20overwhelmed%20by%20covid%20deaths .%202020&sc=0-43&cvid=EF242D3181DE460697DCC80EEF222AF2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle)


Covid deaths in South America. Hospitals overwhelmed. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Covid+deaths+in+South+America.+Hospitals+ overwhelmed.&go=Search&qs=ds&form=QBIR&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover)

Hi Gracie: I sincerely feel terrible that you are so petrified and concerned. It is horrible what the "news" media is doing, instilling fear to the point of paralyzing people. I respect your choices and hope you are able to enjoy an unrestricted life again soon.

[Wyseguy]

LOL You haven't cited any scientific data backing up your assertion that " the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low."

Try again.

The percentage of people vaccinated who carry a viral load is "most likely" many times what is reported. Assuming the claim that the vaccine makes for very mild or even asymptomatic cases, the probability that many positive vaccinated covid Delta carriers are unaware.

[coffeebean]

I am from Ohio where I was taught you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.

I was born and raised on Long Island and my mother would say the same thing to me and my sisters.

[Bill14564]

Florida is doing better than NY and NJ. I expanded the list to all 50 states. Again, watching TV one would think FL and TX were the two states with the highest rates. This is yet another reason why people do not trust what is being reported. I'd like to add, the gov't restricting the monoclonal meds to Fl comes across as a very petty, partisan issue. Definitely divisive.

Don't post the entire article that you found but the name of the publication or a link to the site would be useful.

WaPo Covid tracker (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?itid=hp_hp-banner-low_web-gfx-death-tracker%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans). Near the top under "Places with Highest Daily..."
NYT table (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html). See "State Trends"

Florida, Texas, and Louisiana peaked earlier and are now declining. The surge has now moved on to other states.

The WaPo table shows 42 daily reported cases per 100,000 in FL but only 26 for New Jersey and 27 for New York. And again, Florida is on the way down from a peak of about 80 daily reported cases per 100,000.

The rationing/distributing of the antibodies definitely has a bad feel to it.

[coffeebean]

Do you run this forum ? There is a group here of people who are on everyday ! Mostly the east coast, aggressive judgemental and petty. Villages Florida friendliest home town is not friendly and it’s too crowded with more like you every day.

How dare you say that to our Gracie Girl. East coasters are aggressive? Yup. You got that right and I'm one of them. PLEASE be nice to Gracie.

[golfing eagles]

The percentage of people vaccinated who carry a viral load is "most likely" many times what is reported. Assuming the claim that the vaccine makes for very mild or even asymptomatic cases, the probability that many positive vaccinated covid Delta carriers are unaware.

Or, alternatively, THEY ARE NOT CARRYING IT AT ALL. Yes, I know it doesn't fit the "anti-vaxxers" narrative, but that's life. I clearly remember lining up in the school gym to get a sugar cube with Sabin vaccine. Thank God there weren't any "anti-vaxxers" back then, or we'd still be dealing with poliomyelitis.

[golfing eagles]

I was born and raised on Long Island and my mother would say the same thing to me and my sisters.

where?

[coffeebean]

Like most, I went through a year without a vaccination. I had intended NOT to get vaccinated because Biden and Harris told us not to trust the vaccine. Then I saw on TV that they both got vaccinated before it was even available for the rest of us. What gives with that? Is it safe or not? Why did they tell us that it was not safe and now they want to FORCE us to take it?

Oh........My..........Goodness!!!

I would think by now you would know the REAL reason Biden and Harris did not trust the vaccine. They made that statement only if the vaccine received the EAU when Trump was STILL IN OFFICE. I understand why they said it. I would not trust the vaccine either if it were rushed into American's arms while Trump was still in office.

I'm so thankful the vaccine did not receive EUA while Trump was in office. I feel very confident with the safety of the vaccine and not that the vaccine was a pawn for political gain for Trump.

MODERATOR........PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not delete this post. The truth needs to be said and if there are people who believe what this poster is intimating; that misinformation MUST be debunked. The poster even queried, "what gives with that?", so I answered his/her query.

[golfing eagles]

Oh........My..........Goodness!!!

I would think by now you would know the REAL reason Biden and Harris did not trust the vaccine. They made that statement only if the vaccine received the EAU when Trump was STILL IN OFFICE. I understand why they said it. I would not trust the vaccine either if it were rushed into American's arms while Trump was still in office.

I'm so thankful the vaccine did not receive EUA while Trump was in office. I feel very confident with the safety of the vaccine and not that the vaccine was a pawn for political gain for Trump.

MODERATOR........PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not delete this post. The truth needs to be said and if there are people who believe what this poster is intimating, that misinformation MUST be debunked. The poster even queried, "what gives with that?", so I answered his/her query.

I agree. The prosecution opened the door when he asked the question on direct examination:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Wyseguy]

Don't post the entire article that you found but the name of the publication or a link to the site would be useful.

WaPo Covid tracker (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?itid=hp_hp-banner-low_web-gfx-death-tracker%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans). Near the top under "Places with Highest Daily..."
NYT table (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html). See "State Trends"

Florida, Texas, and Louisiana peaked earlier and are now declining. The surge has now moved on to other states.

The WaPo table shows 42 daily reported cases per 100,000 in FL but only 26 for New Jersey and 27 for New York. And again, Florida is on the way down from a peak of about 80 daily reported cases per 100,000.

The rationing/distributing of the antibodies definitely has a bad feel to it.

I will get you the site that shows cases per 100,000. It is the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center. Both the Hopkins stats and the WAPO stats you linked to shows that Florida is in a much better position than some would have us think.

I have read your (WaPo, NYT wants me to subscribe) and it shows trends for the 50 states. This is the site you referenced.
Place Total reported cases per 100k Avg. daily new cases per 100k Change in daily cases in last 7 days
U.S. overall 12,760 40 -14%
Northern Mariana Islands 466 4 100%
Wisconsin 13,518 56 49%
Vermont 5,141 34 30%
Alaska 13,685 117 29%
Minnesota 12,271 39 17%
Montana 13,457 86 14%
Pennsylvania 10,875 37 9%
New York 12,151 27 7%
Connecticut 10,832 19 6%
Massachusetts 11,562 27 6%
Michigan 11,270 32 4%
Iowa 13,967 55 4%
Delaware 13,271 47 3%
Maine 6,335 34 2%
Maryland 8,640 20 1%
American Samoa 0 0 –
District of Columbia 8,461 32 0%
Colorado 11,378 32 -2%
New Jersey 12,808 26 -2%
West Virginia 12,598 100 -2%
Virgin Islands 6,225 30 -3%
Virginia 9,879 41 -4%
Kentucky 14,808 87 -5%
New Hampshire 8,503 30 -6%
Idaho 13,732 67 -6%
New Mexico 11,762 29 -6%
North Dakota 16,702 61 -6%
Arizona 14,711 34 -8%
Ohio 11,684 57 -8%
Rhode Island 16,048 32 -8%
Nebraska 13,497 38 -8%
Washington 8,287 40 -9%
Wyoming 14,868 89 -10%
Guam 8,444 88 -12%
Nevada 13,426 34 -13%
North Carolina 12,937 56 -14%
Utah 15,516 45 -14%
Missouri 13,131 33 -14%
Oklahoma 15,183 47 -15%
California 11,224 20 -17%
Mississippi 16,106 52 -18%
Illinois 12,668 26 -18%
Oregon 7,465 38 -19%
Puerto Rico 9,891 10 -20%
Alabama 15,878 60 -20%
Indiana 13,979 49 -21%
Arkansas 16,133 46 -22%
Georgia 14,586 47 -23%
Kansas 13,796 40 -24%
South Carolina 16,215 70 -25%
Florida 16,423 42 -26%
Hawaii 5,405 33 -28%
Texas 13,650 46 -28%
South Dakota 15,954 46 -28%
Tennessee 17,435 75 -29%
Louisiana 15,746 31 -37%

[SkBlogW]

Or, alternatively, THEY ARE NOT CARRYING IT AT ALL. Yes, I know it doesn't fit the "anti-vaxxers" narrative, but that's life. I clearly remember lining up in the school gym to get a sugar cube with Sabin vaccine. Thank God there weren't any "anti-vaxxers" back then, or we'd still be dealing with poliomyelitis.

They are not carrying it at all? LOL Is that why CDC suddenly changed course and told fully vaccinated people to wear masks when indoors???

From the CDC:


People infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit the virus to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus.

Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html)

So what percentage of covid cases recently, during delta surge, arer among the fully vaccinated.

CDC study in Los Angeles

The new data released on Tuesday involved more than 43,000 reported infections among Los Angeles County residents aged 16 and older. Of them, 10,895, or 25.3%, occurred in fully vaccinated persons, 1,431, or 3.3%, were in partially vaccinated persons, and 30,801, or 71.4%, were in unvaccinated individuals.

Los Angeles Director of Public Health Barbara Ferrer:

Breakthrough Infections Are Now 30% Of All New Covid Cases Amid Delta Surge

In Los Angeles, Breakthrough Infections Are Now 30% Of All New Covid Cases Amid Delta Surge (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/los-angeles-breakthrough-infections-now-011457677.html)

[coffeebean]

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It surprises me that non vaxers would use the regeneron treatment... isn't that going against all they believe and preach...how convenient.

I concur.

[golfing eagles]

They are not carrying it at all? LOL Is that why CDC suddenly changed course and told fully vaccinated people to wear masks when indoors???

From the CDC:


People infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit the virus to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus.

Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html)

So what percentage of covid cases recently, during delta surge, arer among the fully vaccinated.

CDC study in Los Angeles

The new data released on Tuesday involved more than 43,000 reported infections among Los Angeles County residents aged 16 and older. Of them, 10,895, or 25.3%, occurred in fully vaccinated persons, 1,431, or 3.3%, were in partially vaccinated persons, and 30,801, or 71.4%, were in unvaccinated individuals.

Los Angeles Director of Public Health Barbara Ferrer:

Breakthrough Infections Are Now 30% Of All New Covid Cases Amid Delta Surge

In Los Angeles, Breakthrough Infections Are Now 30% Of All New Covid Cases Amid Delta Surge (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/los-angeles-breakthrough-infections-now-011457677.html)

And next week there will be more breakthrough cases, and even more the week after that. As we get further away from the dates the first vaccines were administered, the more immunity will wane. All you have done is make a case for the booster vaccine.

You cannot sit there and cherry pick a few snippets from a google search and understand the virology and epidemiology of this pandemic

[Bill14564]

I will get you the site that shows cases per 100,000. It is the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center. Both the Hopkins stats and the WAPO stats you linked to shows that Florida is in a much better position than some would have us think.

I have read your (WaPo, NYT wants me to subscribe) and it shows trends for the 50 states. This is the site you referenced.
Place Total reported cases per 100k Avg. daily new cases per 100k Change in daily cases in last 7 days
U.S. overall 12,760 40 -14%
...
New York 12,151 27 7%
...
New Jersey 12,808 26 -2%
...
Florida 16,423 42 -26%
...
Texas 13,650 46 -28%
...

Are you referring to this JHU table (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states)? That table is incorrect, it is showing total daily cases not adjusted for population. You can see this by toggling the WaPo data from Adj. for population to Totals. If you do that then the JHU numbers and the WaPo numbers match pretty closely. Plus, do you really believe Florida has zero daily cases as shown in that JHU table?

You can see in the data you posted that FL and TX are both still worse then NY and NJ. Both are declining but are still high. The graphs of the data will show FL hit 80 at one point.

[coffeebean]

Just the opposite. The Moderna vaccine actually is faring better than the Pfizer vaccine with a real life efficiency that remains in the high 80s to 90s percent and those percentages do include the Delta variant.

I figure my immunity is in the high 80s at this point because of my age but that is just a gut feeling I have. I had a “kick ass” side effect after my second Moderna shot so I know my immune system works very well. Now I’m beginning to reconsider getting the booster so soon. I have to discuss the booster with my PCP, hopefully today.

Quoting myself here..........

I spoke with my PCP today and was informed I do not meet the criteria for a booster shot at this time. Oh well, I will wait until I am eligible.

[Nucky]

the government would never lie, so they say. You can trust them because they are here to help. Lol.

Trump is out there still touting vaccines. He (and brietbart, etc) even call it the "trump vaccine".

Have at it.

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[coffeebean]

Well, considering neither the FDA, nor the CDC nor Moderna has approved/recommended an booster yet...

This gets more confusing to me. I just want to try to get this straight.......

Currently, aren't people who are immunocompromised (cancer patients, organ recipients, people on immunosuppressant drugs as examples) eligible for Pfizer or Moderna booster shots? OR is it just Pfizer?

[coffeebean]

F.D.A. Panel Recommends Pfizer Boosters for Those Over 65 or at Risk - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/us/politics/fda-pfizer-booster-covid.html)

Three people we know have received them already.

Oh, so it is just Pfizer for the booster shots and not Moderna.

As an aside.......Moderna always seems to be one step behind Pfizer every step of the way.

[coffeebean]

HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low.

"Very very low?" Not according to the CDC

Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated; of these, 301 (87%) were male, with a median age of 42 years. Vaccine products received by persons experiencing breakthrough infections were Pfizer-BioNTech (159; 46%), Moderna (131; 38%), and Janssen (56; 16%); among fully vaccinated persons in the Massachusetts general population, 56% had received Pfizer-BioNTech, 38% had received Moderna, and 7% had received Janssen vaccine products. Among persons with breakthrough infection, 274 (79%) reported signs or symptoms, with the most common being cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever.


79% percent does not sound very very low to me.

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm)

This is why hubby and I are not attending any large gatherings at the recreation centers until we get our booster shots.

[biker1]

Apparently you can't use a search engine. Here you go:

COVID-19 Vaccines for Moderately to Severely Immunocompromised People | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html)

Watch the news for final FDA approval for a booster shot for those over 65 (without being immunocompromised).

Oh, so it is just Pfizer for the booster shots and not Moderna.

As an aside.......Moderna always seems to be one step behind Pfizer every step of the way.

[Bill14564]

They are not carrying it at all? LOL Is that why CDC suddenly changed course and told fully vaccinated people to wear masks when indoors???

From the CDC:


People infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit the virus to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus.

Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html)

So what percentage of covid cases recently, during delta surge, arer among the fully vaccinated.

CDC study in Los Angeles

The new data released on Tuesday involved more than 43,000 reported infections among Los Angeles County residents aged 16 and older. Of them, 10,895, or 25.3%, occurred in fully vaccinated persons, 1,431, or 3.3%, were in partially vaccinated persons, and 30,801, or 71.4%, were in unvaccinated individuals.

Los Angeles Director of Public Health Barbara Ferrer:

Breakthrough Infections Are Now 30% Of All New Covid Cases Amid Delta Surge

In Los Angeles, Breakthrough Infections Are Now 30% Of All New Covid Cases Amid Delta Surge (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/los-angeles-breakthrough-infections-now-011457677.html)

Your first quote seems pretty clear: symptomatic infections can transmit the virus but it is still undetermined whether asymptomatic breakthrough cases are contagious.

Then the Los Angeles data. LA claims to be 68% fully vaccinated meaning more than twice as many are vaccinated than are unvaccinated. Still, nearly three times as many cases are from the unvaccinated. Twice the number of people generating only one third the total cases makes a good argument that the vaccinated are MUCH LESS likely to become infected.

Much less likely to become infected when vaccinated and undetermined whether vaccinated asymptomatic cases are contagious at all sounds like good news for the vaccines.

[Boomer]

Thank you to all of posters who appreciated my sharing of the op-ed piece, "The 7 Stages of Covid" that started this thread.

Primary sources are valuable and that is exactly what the respiratory therapist's writing is. She is on the front lines, caring for severe Covid patients, and she is telling us about it in her own words. That's what is known as a primary source.

The writer describes what she sees as a severe Covid patient's condition gets worse, in stages, until sometimes death is where it ends. It is not an easy read. But it is the reality of where Covid can go.

But now this thread has filled up with the relentless linking from a few posters who did not like seeing the reality of what Covid can do, especially to the unvaccinated. And they do not want anyone else to see it either. And so, they go to war. And they are loving it. They must because they spend a helluva lot of time at it.

They will never run out of material.

Their "research" is bottomless. — grasping at straws or just plain made up.

Sometimes I wonder if these posts are all from just a couple of people with different names.

There is definitely a pattern to some of these posts. I am no Nancy Drew, but c'mon, an all day obsession with posting link after link after link -- some probably from shadow sources. . .

Ever hear of a leaflet drop? The term can refer to something as innocuous as a flyer on your windshield or an ad hung on your front door. . .

BUT, a leaflet drop is also a term that has been used for a form of psychological warfare -- airborne leaflet propaganda, scattered in the air, in an attempt to alter the behavior of combatants and civilians in enemy-controlled territory. . .

It is not a big leap to see the constant repetition and the endless links as an attempt to get inside the heads of those who think differently.

Obviously, those who do not agree with vaccination being our ticket out of this mess could say that we pro-vax thinkers are guilty of doing leaflet drops, too. But I don't think that the term fits so perfectly. . .

Why do I think that? Because most of us pro-vax thinkers do other things with our days. We do not appear to be obsessive -- just pizzed off sometimes. We use our own words significantly more often than the perpetual linkers do -- redundancy rules those posts -- effortless redundancy.

Again, thank you to those who thanked me for posting that reality check to start this thread. But now we are engaged in the usual back and forth with the faceless other that gets us nowhere. We are being baited.

I wish everybody would just go outside and play or watch Ted Lasso or listen to Jimmy Buffett.

Mr. Moderator, tear down this thread!. . .please and thank you. . .well, actually I did not mean for you to tear it down, just close the darned thing. I was just being dramatic, invoking those years when it was my party — and I’ll cry if I want to.

Boomer

[coffeebean]

OK, you say the vaccine is 99% safe, and we are told by the CDC that 99.8+ of those under 65 infected with covid recover fine, I would say it is still a personal choice. What is right for you may not be right for a 30 year old in perfect health. With non vaxxed people presenting the same risk to you as a vaxxed person (Oxford Study), why do you care. Take care of yourself and let others make their own choices.

I have said the before and will say it again........it is the UN-vaccinated people who are filling the ICU beds in communities all over our country( and they are dying too). What if a loved one needs an ICU bed for a medical issue other than Covid? What about those elective surgeries that have been put on hold because of all those UN-vaccinated Covid patients taking up ICU beds? I want and need to know that there are available ICU beds for people who need them besides those people fighting for their lives with Covid.

It has been determined that those who are in ICU suffering from Covid are NOT the vaccinated. It is as simple as that.

[coffeebean]

It reminds me of when someone makes a poor choice. They go on a crusade to say everyone must do as they did. Perhaps it makes them feel less foolish if everyone makes the same choice as they did. The threat of covid is wildly different for different people. Depending on age and health, a very reasonable argument can be made not to get the jab.

Recently, patients taking up ICU beds in our country are children. Kids are being hit harder with this Delta variant.

U.S. Reports Record COVID Hospitalizations of Children (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210816/u-s-reports-record-covid-hospitalizations-of-children)

[coffeebean]

Oxford study showed similar percentage and similar viral loads of the Delta Variant in vax'd and non vax'd.

OK.....we get it. But, it is the un-vaccinated people that are dying of Covid, NOT the vaccinated.

[coffeebean]

Sweden. 2020. showing coffins of people who died from Covid. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Sweden.+2020.+showing+coffins+of+people+w ho+died+from+Covid.&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle)

France is overwhelmed by Covid deaths. 2020 - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=France%20is%20overwhelmed%20by%20Covid%20 deaths.%202020&qs=n&form=QBIR&sp=-1&pq=france%20is%20overwhelmed%20by%20covid%20deaths .%202020&sc=0-43&cvid=EF242D3181DE460697DCC80EEF222AF2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle)


Covid deaths in South America. Hospitals overwhelmed. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Covid+deaths+in+South+America.+Hospitals+ overwhelmed.&go=Search&qs=ds&form=QBIR&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover)

Gracie, I'm with you, BUT................

There are people who will look with their hands covering their eyes and there are people who will listen with their fingers in their ears while they chant, "la, la, la, la, la, la" etc. The more evidence that can be seen with their own eyes or heard with their own ears will continue to fall on blind eyes and deaf ears.

[John Mayes]

This gets more confusing to me. I just want to try to get this straight.......

Currently, aren't people who are immunocompromised (cancer patients, organ recipients, people on immunosuppressant drugs as examples) eligible for Pfizer or Moderna booster shots? OR is it just Pfizer?

Not Moderna.

[coffeebean]

Increases in Coronavirus Cases Are Happening Mainly in States With Stricter COVID-19 Rules
‘He did everything right,’ Oklahoma teacher still contracts COVID-19 despite having three Pfizer shots - NewsBreak (https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2379613432466/he-did-everything-right-oklahoma-teacher-still-contracts-covid-19-despite-having-three-pfizer-shots?s=oldSite&ss=i4)

People who are organ transplant recipients are severely immunocompromised because of the anti-rejection drugs that are necessary to maintain the organ. These vaccines can not work to the best of their efficiency when a person's immune system can not mount a good enough defense against a pathogen. You can not blame that on the vaccines. You have to blame that on a person's compromised immune system. Sad but true.

[John Mayes]

How dare you say that to our Gracie Girl. East coasters are aggressive? Yup. You got that right and I'm one of them. PLEASE be nice to Gracie.

Trust me…..that’s not something to be proud of.

[coffeebean]

The studies I have read agree with your last statement, that the viral loads are the same for the first 7-8 days, then the vaccinated individual's viral load drops at a faster rate than the unvaccinated for the next three to four days.
As for carrying viral loads, studies I read show both vaccinated and non are equally likely to carry DELTA viral loads, though vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic. This could be a greater risk, as they are likely unaware that they are a transmitter. I would think this is why they are saying if you at risk, regardless of the vaccine start to wear your mask again.

I will add that, as a fully vaccinated individual, I will not wear a mask to protect the immunocompromised, those who cannot be vaccinated because of medical issues or those who have decided not to get vaccinated. I agree that those who are vulnerable to the virus should protect themselves and not count on me to protect them.

An N95 mask is the protective mask that is necessary for those who are at risk of severe disease from Covid. I checked and Amazon sells them. They may even be available from our local pharmacies. Stay safe out there!

[SkBlogW]

And next week there will be more breakthrough cases, and even more the week after that. As we get further away from the dates the first vaccines were administered, the more immunity will wane. All you have done is make a case for the booster vaccine.

You cannot sit there and cherry pick a few snippets from a google search and understand the virology and epidemiology of this pandemic

You keep avoiding the question

You have made two assertions in this thread without providing any cites whatsoever:

HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low.

THEY ARE NOT CARRYING IT AT ALL

Both these statements are totally bogus. The CDC does not agree with these statements. Again, why did CDC reverse course and tell fully vaccinated to wear masks indoors?? Just for fun?

I am not cherry picking data, the reason the data is sparse is because the CDC stoped reporting breakthough cases months ago. We only have data from some states and cities that report this correctly as well as countries like Israel.

We know that breakthrough cases are climbing everywhere it's been measured, like Los Angeles. The CDC knows this and also knows that fully vaccinated people spread the virus and a good percentage of breakthrough cases are symptomatic.

Why is CDC suppressing this data? In their own words:

Vaccine breakthrough cases may reduce public confidence in vaccines

Thats just one of a number of leaked CDC presentation slides that the Washington Post uncovered July 29.

Here are a few more CDC slide headlines:

Increasing percentage of vaccinated persons among those hospitalized in COVID-NET

Delta variant vaccine breakthrough cases may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases.

Vaccines prevent >90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing
infection or transmission – Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite vaccination.

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/54f57708-a529-4a33-9a44-b66d719070d9/note/753667d6-8c61-495f-b669-5308f2827155.#page=1

[John Mayes]

I will add that, as a fully vaccinated individual, I will not wear a mask to protect the immunocompromised, those who cannot be vaccinated because of medical issues or those who have decided not to get vaccinated. I agree that those who are vulnerable to the virus should protect themselves and not count on me to protect them.

An N95 mask is the protective mask that is necessary for those who are at risk of severe disease from Covid. I checked and Amazon sells them. They may even be available from our local pharmacies. Good luck out there!

Wow. Hope you never need help down the road. SMH.

[Crazyladycruz]

Agreed! I am living proof!

[jimjamuser]

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?
The band will now play!
.......Poison ivy....eeee , , , , poson ivy....eeee
bees will make you lumpy
overeating will make you t-----
.......But, poison ivy lone will make you itch
Poison ivy.....eeeeee , , , , poison ivy.....eeeee
you gonna need an ocean
...........of calamine lotion
Poison ivy....eeee , , , , poison ivy......eeee
........you can look
............but you better NOT touch

[golfing eagles]

You keep avoiding the question

You have made two assertions in this thread without providing any cites whatsoever:

HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low.

THEY ARE NOT CARRYING IT AT ALL

Both these statements are totally bogus. The CDC does not agree with these statements. Again, why did CDC reverse course and tell fully vaccinated to wear masks indoors?? Just for fun?

I am not cherry picking data, the reason the data is sparse is because the CDC stoped reporting breakthough cases months ago. We only have data from some states and cities that report this correctly as well as countries like Israel.

We know that breakthrough cases are climbing everywhere it's been measured, like Los Angeles. The CDC knows this and also knows that fully vaccinated people spread the virus and a good percentage of breakthrough cases are symptomatic.

Why is CDC suppressing this data? In their own words:

Vaccine breakthrough cases may reduce public confidence in vaccines

Thats just one of a number of leaked CDC presentation slides that the Washington Post uncovered July 29.

Here are a few more CDC slide headlines:

Increasing percentage of vaccinated persons among those hospitalized in COVID-NET

Delta variant vaccine breakthrough cases may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases.

Vaccines prevent >90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing
infection or transmission – Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite vaccination.

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/54f57708-a529-4a33-9a44-b66d719070d9/note/753667d6-8c61-495f-b669-5308f2827155.#page=1

OMG, do I have to spoon feed this AGAIN

The "they are not carrying it at all" was a conditional statement in response to the assertion that vaccinated people were carrying it 74% ​of the time , gleaned from cherry picked data. Note context next time please.

The CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases because it was meaningless. The original strain had a breakthrough rate of 0.07%, they stopped counting before delta emerged, but I'll go out on a limb and state it is pretty low and NOT 74%.

The anti-vaxxers on this site keep referring to "viral load". Unfortunately, based on the content of their posts, they have absolutely no idea what viral load means or how it relates to the transmission of COVID

But, as I already posted, the breakthrough rate will continue to rise as immunity wanes over time. I think I summarized this matter simply enough for it to be understood, but I've thought that before and well............

[coffeebean]

The percentage of people vaccinated who carry a viral load is "most likely" many times what is reported. Assuming the claim that the vaccine makes for very mild or even asymptomatic cases, the probability that many positive vaccinated covid Delta carriers are unaware.

All the more reason for vulnerable people to protect themselves with N95 masks when they are out and about.

[coffeebean]

where?

I sent you a PM.

[coffeebean]

Apparently you can't use a search engine. Here you go:

COVID-19 Vaccines for Moderately to Severely Immunocompromised People | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html)

Watch the news for final FDA approval for a booster shot for those over 65 (without being immunocompromised).

Thanks. I do use the Google search engine all the time and have posted countless links on this forum but I think you already know that. I will continue to watch the news for the latest on booster shots.

[coffeebean]

Wow. Hope you never need help down the road. SMH.

I trust the vaccine to keep me out of the hospital, hence, I will not die of Covid. The best case scenario is that I will be asymptomatic if I contract Covid. That is what I trust the vaccine to do for me. I've been fully vaccinated with Moderna and will get the booster as soon as it is available to me.

Having said that, how long are we supposed to continue to wear masks to protect the vulnerable? One more year, another two years, maybe five years? I'm just not going to do it. Sorry. There is now a very effective treatment with the monoclonal antibodies as long as the person seeks treatment as soon as they become symptomatic.

So....will say again. I'm done masking to protect others. I did that religiously for a year and a half and I was the most outspoken proponent of Universal Masking on this forum. If you weren't around back then, just ask others who were.

[biker1]

And yet you were incapable of doing a simple search to find out the current status of booster shots but find the time to keep making the same posts day in and day out.

Thanks. I do use the Google search engine all the time and have posted countless links on this forum but I think you already know that. I will continue to watch the news for the latest on booster shots.

[coffeebean]

And yet you were incapable of doing a simple search to find out the current status of booster shots but find the time to keep making the same posts day in and day out.

It was a MSM news source that reported as of Sept. 20th everyone over the age of 65 could get a booster shot, per our government. That is why I didn't feel the need to do a Google search. That information was incorrect and I realize that now. Live and learn. I'll be more careful next time.

As for me posting the same message day in and day out. I do that because I can.

[JMintzer]

F.D.A. Panel Recommends Pfizer Boosters for Those Over 65 or at Risk - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/us/politics/fda-pfizer-booster-covid.html)

Three people we know have received them already.

I specifically stated Moderna, not Pfizer...

[JMintzer]

Pictures near NYC of graves dug from Covid deaths. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Pictures%20near%20NYC%20of%20graves%20dug %20%20from%20Covid%20deaths.&qs=n&form=QBIR&sp=-1&pq=pictures%20near%20nyc%20of%20graves%20dug%20fro m%20covid%20deaths.&sc=0-50&cvid=F73D6803D9F2499DAD37C0701CE45FAE&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover)

Once again, Nope!

That is the site NYC uses for unclaimed bodies, or for people who can't afford a private grave site. It's been around for about a century...

[JMintzer]

front page new york times may 24 2020 - Bing (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=d9D1hcvA&id=7CD35593612678C038F0BD8351DC34361A31F54B&thid=OIP.d9D1hcvALlkTmiamLUy9twAAAA&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.guim.co.uk%2fimg%2fmedia% 2f5e6d4adc6e9819d9feab03f4a93920764044cddd%2f0_0_2 268_1361%2fmaster%2f2268.jpg%3fwidth%3d300%26quali ty%3d85%26auto%3dformat%26fit%3dmax%26s%3da8afeaf4 0d4e02f1328ae8d7e6796af2&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.77d 0f585cbc02e59139a26a62d4cbdb7%3frik%3dS%252fUxGjY0 3FGDvQ%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=180&expw=300&q=front+page+new+york+times+may+24+2020&simid=608036797955976580&FORM=IRPRST&ck=FCE35A104C5B825CBD459D726300A2DD&selectedIndex=0&idpp=overlayview&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0)

The NYT Front Page - Sunday, May 24, 2020 (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/23/1947211/-The-NYT-Front-Page-Sunday-May-24-2020)

That you completely trust the NYT explains a lot...

[SkBlogW]

But now this thread has filled up with the relentless linking from a few posters who did not like seeing the reality of what Covid can do, especially to the unvaccinated. And they do not want anyone else to see it either. And so, they go to war. And they are loving it. They must because they spend a helluva lot of time at it.

They will never run out of material.

Their "research" is bottomless. — grasping at straws or just plain made up.

Sometimes I wonder if these posts are all from just a couple of people with different names.

There is definitely a pattern to some of these posts. I am no Nancy Drew, but c'mon, an all day obsession with posting link after link after link -- some probably from shadow sources. . .

Boomer

I am sure you mean well but you are preaching to the choir. 95% of your readers are probably vaccinated and waiting anxiously for the booster. Posting scary articles about how horrible covid disease does no good here.

I already know, like everyone reading here, how terrible it would be to endure (if lucky) a bout with covid. That's why I got two Moderna shots 8 months ago and a third one coming soon.

Obviously I am not an anti vaxxer, far from it. I am however, anti misinformation and my posts in this thread (along with links from CDC etc) were made in order to correct some possibly deadly misconceptions. People minimizing the fact that breakthrough cases are being measured at 25% of total cases (by CDC) and that fully vaccinated people are contagious to others. THIS IS THE REASON THE CDC REVERSED COURSE AND RECOMMENDED MASKS FOR FULLY VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS.

It's funny that everyone says follow the science, trust the CDC, but when the CDC gives you actual data, it gets ignored.

Now here is a scary chart that might actually do some good if it convinces fully vaccinated older people to be more careful, wear an N95 if indoors with others, and don't believe you are 100% safe even if hanging out with fully vaccinated people. Get the booster as soon as possible. Most of the more serious breakthrough cases are among the elderly.

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[JMintzer]

OK.....we get it. But, it is the un-vaccinated people that are dying of Covid, NOT the vaccinated.

I'm confused... Are you saying it's the UN-vaccinated people who are dying of Covid?

[SkBlogW]

OMG, do I have to spoon feed this AGAIN

The "they are not carrying it at all" was a conditional statement in response to the assertion that vaccinated people were carrying it 74% ​of the time , gleaned from cherry picked data. Note context next time please.

The CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases because it was meaningless. The original strain had a breakthrough rate of 0.07%, they stopped counting before delta emerged, but I'll go out on a limb and state it is pretty low and NOT 74%.

The anti-vaxxers on this site keep referring to "viral load". Unfortunately, based on the content of their posts, they have absolutely no idea what viral load means or how it relates to the transmission of COVID

But, as I already posted, the breakthrough rate will continue to rise as immunity wanes over time. I think I summarized this matter simply enough for it to be understood, but I've thought that before and well............


LOL A "conditional" statement? It's a declarative sentence that means what it says. Nobody "asserted" that 74% of vaccinated people were carrying it, the CDC measured an outbreak in Massachusetts and that's their data.

Breakthrough cases are hardly "meaningless" It's why the CDC reversed course on masks for the vaccinated. Anyone with a 3 digit IQ can figure that out.

The CDC is taking breakthroughs and the fact that the vaccinated are spreading the virus very seriously. Why do you think they are pushing for boosters?

Antivaxer?? That's a laugh I'm coining a new name for people who keep minimizing the rising problem of breakthrough cases. Anti-breakers

All you are doing is spoon feeding nonsense.

[SkBlogW]

OK.....we get it. But, it is the un-vaccinated people that are dying of Covid, NOT the vaccinated.

Sure about that?

CDC chart:

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[coffeebean]

I'm confused... Are you saying it's the UN-vaccinated people who are dying of Covid?

Yes, you have that correct. Vaccinated people are NOT occupying ICU beds in the great numbers that the UN-vaccinated are, all over the country. UN-vaccinated people are filling those ICU beds and unfortunately are dying of Covid.

[biker1]

No. The news story was that the current administration wanted the Sept 20th date but was waiting for FDA approval (granted Sept 22).

Therapy or some anti-anxiety drugs might be more effective than posting the same message day in and day out to address whatever your issues are. Perhaps you don't realize that probably in excess of 90% of the readers of this forum have been vaccinated and read the news?

It was a MSM news source that reported as of Sept. 20th everyone over the age of 65 could get a booster shot, per our government. That is why I didn't feel the need to do a Google search. That information was incorrect and I realize that now. Live and learn. I'll be more careful next time.

As for me posting the same message day in and day out. I do that because I can.

[graciegirl]

Yes, you have that correct. Vaccinated people are NOT occupying ICU beds in the great numbers that the UN-vaccinated are, all over the country. UN-vaccinated people are filling those ICU beds and unfortunately are dying of Covid.

I get you Coffeebean. I agree with your thoughts. I don't think you need "anti-anxiety" medication and I recognize as a parent and retired teacher that repetition is usually one of the most effective forms of teaching.

Rather than rants

or insulting others.

[biker1]

Teaching? You consider her endless posts that say the same thing that everyone already knows to be teaching? There is nothing remotely close to teaching going on.

I get you Coffeebean. I agree with your thoughts. I don't think you need "anti-anxiety" medication and I recognize as a parent and retired teacher that repetition is usually one of the most effective forms of teaching.

Rather than rants

or insulting others.

[coffeebean]

I get you Coffeebean. I agree with your thoughts. I don't think you need "anti-anxiety" medication and I recognize as a parent and retired teacher that repetition is usually one of the most effective forms of teaching.

Rather than rants

or insulting others.

Thanks, Gracie.

[coffeebean]

Teaching? You consider her endless posts that say the same thing that everyone already knows to be teaching? There is nothing remotely close to teaching going on.
I get a chuckle from folks who don’t agree with my postings. They doth protest too much!!!

LOL.

[biker1]

Many of your postings have had incorrect information and numerous people have responded with the facts. Disagreement is different from factually wrong. Most of your posts just keep repeating the same thing. You seem to have a need to monopolize any COVID-19 thread. You appear to have an obsession. I hope you get some help for that. I believe I will stop reading these sorts of threads.

I get a chuckle from folks who don’t agree with my postings. They doth protest too much!!!

LOL.

[drducat]

I get a chuckle from folks who don’t agree with my postings. They doth protest too much!!!

LOL.

Kind of like watching the propaganda media machine..CNN. MSNBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS, HUFFPOST....ETC>...... All junk news mocking each other or from??

Need to seek out the truth rather than listening to all this trash coming from the media!:popcorn:

[Weiserj]

brainwashing
/ˈbrānwôSHiNG/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the process of pressuring someone into adopting radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible means.
"victims of brainwashing"

[coffeebean]

Many of your postings have had incorrect information and numerous people have responded with the facts. Disagreement is different from factually wrong. Most of your posts just keep repeating the same thing. You seem to have a need to monopolize any COVID-19 thread. You appear to have an obsession. I hope you get some help for that. I believe I will stop reading these sorts of threads.
I sincerely apologize if I posted any incorrect information. I use only reliable sources for what ever I post.

Please give me an example of incorrect information I have posted. I never use any sight that slants information either way as far as I’m aware and have always relied on experts who are highly respected in the medical community.

[coffeebean]

Kind of like watching the propaganda media machine..CNN. MSNBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS, HUFFPOST....ETC>...... All junk news mocking each other or from??

Need to seek out the truth rather than listening to all this trash coming from the media!:popcorn:

Just curious……. Does Dr. Scott Gotlieb offer misinformation?

[graciegirl]

Many of your postings have had incorrect information and numerous people have responded with the facts. Disagreement is different from factually wrong. Most of your posts just keep repeating the same thing. You seem to have a need to monopolize any COVID-19 thread. You appear to have an obsession. I hope you get some help for that. I believe I will stop reading these sorts of threads.

Many of your posts just keep repeating the same thing.

[Velvet]

It’s mostly likely because if our fears, Gracie, those of us who concentrate too much, especially because of the consequences of Covid for us. And those of us who feel safer in denying, like ostriches if I put my head head in the sand, I can’t see, it is not there and therefore, can’t hurt me. I’m healthy, I’m young, I’m… invulnerable. May they be correct and the angel of Covid bypass them.

[drducat]

Just curious……. Does Dr. Scott Gotlieb offer misinformation?

I wonder? He is an investor and administrator....probably not up to speed and most likely in favor of any way to make money....so limit advice from these types.:shocked:

[MDLNB]

It’s mostly likely because if our fears, Gracie, those of us who concentrate too much, especially because of the consequences of Covid for us. And those of us who feel safer in denying, like ostriches if I put my head head in the sand, I can’t see, it is not there and therefore, can’t hurt me. I’m healthy, I’m young, I’m… invulnerable. May they be correct and the angel of Covid bypass them.


I'm sure you are correct with your opinion. I am aware of the symptoms of Covid and how dangerous it CAN be, but since I have lived through much more dangerous situations in my long life, I don't dwell of "what-if's." Since about 85-95% of Villagers that are eligible for shots have them, then I don't see the point of all the hoopla regarding panicky hysteria of shouting "the sky is falling" if all those in the area are safe in their bomb shelters(vaccinated).

[Wyseguy]

I get a chuckle from folks who don’t agree with my postings. They doth protest too much!!!

LOL.

Have you ever passed a mirror?

[Wyseguy]

brainwashing
/ˈbrānwôSHiNG/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the process of pressuring someone into adopting radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible means.
"victims of brainwashing"

Gee that sounds just like what the supporters of the current inhabitant of the.... well you know.

[Wyseguy]

I sincerely apologize if I posted any incorrect information. I use only reliable sources for what ever I post.

Please give me an example of incorrect information I have posted. I never use any sight that slants information either way as far as I’m aware and have always relied on experts who are highly respected in the medical community.

Hi Coffee. Try and understand what you see to be "reliable" sources are considered far from reliable by many. There is even some joker who is so biased and incorrect in much of what he says, BUT he thinks by naming his show "Reliable Sources" people will believe it.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Hi Coffee. Try and understand what you see to be "reliable" sources are considered far from reliable by many. There is even some joker who is so biased and incorrect in much of what he says, BUT he thinks by naming his show "Reliable Sources" people will believe it.
If you are eligible you can walk into Publix I’m at lake Deaton public you have to have your shot cards with you

[SkBlogW]

I sincerely apologize if I posted any incorrect information. I use only reliable sources for what ever I post.

Please give me an example of incorrect information I have posted. I never use any sight that slants information either way as far as I’m aware and have always relied on experts who are highly respected in the medical community.


Originally Posted by coffeebean

OK.....we get it. But, it is the un-vaccinated people that are dying of Covid, NOT the vaccinated.


CDC: 15.1% of in hospital deaths who were fully vaccinated. Increasing percentage of fully vaccinated persons among those hospitalized by covid.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/cdc-breakthrough-infections/94390e3a-5e45-44a5-ac40-2744e4e25f2e/

CDC scientists were so alarmed by the new research that the agency earlier this week significantly changed guidance for vaccinated people even before making new data public.

The data and studies cited in the document played a key role in revamped recommendations that call for everyone — vaccinated or not — to wear masks indoors in public settings in certain circumstances, a federal health official said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/

[drducat]

Or, alternatively, THEY ARE NOT CARRYING IT AT ALL. Yes, I know it doesn't fit the "anti-vaxxers" narrative, but that's life. I clearly remember lining up in the school gym to get a sugar cube with Sabin vaccine. Thank God there weren't any "anti-vaxxers" back then, or we'd still be dealing with poliomyelitis.

But they are carriers and not just a little.....:pray:

[jimjamuser]

According to the vast majority of studies I’ve read, now I most likely have superior antibodies compared to those who have been vaccinated. My cough is gone and now I’m better protected from variants than you…
I doubt that.

[JMintzer]

Yes, you have that correct. Vaccinated people are NOT occupying ICU beds in the great numbers that the UN-vaccinated are, all over the country. UN-vaccinated people are filling those ICU beds and unfortunately are dying of Covid.

Really! No one has brought that up until now...

[jimjamuser]

Again, I applaud Boomer's post. It has really placed this in perspective. So needed. Excellent.

But Boomer is a woman. She is a retired teacher from Cincinnati. She is a very smart woman.
Cool! Queen Boomer is just all right with me. Long live the smart queen.

[JMintzer]

Teaching? You consider her endless posts that say the same thing that everyone already knows to be teaching? There is nothing remotely close to teaching going on.

But I learned something today... I never knew that the UN-vaccinated were actually being admitted into the ICUs...

How did I ever miss that? Why didn't anyone ever mention that?

[JMintzer]

Many of your posts just keep repeating the same thing.

https://learnenglishwithdemi.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/88aa5a9708fe10faa3529b8420fc07aa.jpg?w=640

[JMintzer]

Hi Coffee. Try and understand what you see to be "reliable" sources are considered far from reliable by many. There is even some joker who is so biased and incorrect in much of what he says, BUT he thinks by naming his show "Reliable Sources" people will believe it.

This guy?

https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/open-uri20150422-20810-enmr1e_871e8eac.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C450%2C450

[jimjamuser]

Sorry but I have to call BS on that.

The Villages has YOUR 86% or more vaccination rate. Still don't know why you hate your own country so much that you consistently cut it down and brag about how great all the other countries that you have never lived in is. Ever heard of the saying that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. I don't see such a great migration of Americans moving to those "other" countries that you incessantly brag about.
Some folks on here serve nothing more than to prove they are UN-convincing know it alls.
I agree with the "some folks comment" And some folks need to look in the mirror.

[jimjamuser]

Not really Jim. Perhaps you need to look elsewhere to see why your life today is Not Normal. Once again, the science shows that you run as much a risk from the unvaccinated as you do the vaccinated.
I disagree with the contents of this post.

[jimjamuser]

You carry similar viral loads of covid as does a non vaccinated person. I am as likely to get the delta variant from a vaccinated person as I am a non vaccinated person. Ut is beyond time we must do what we need that is best for us, and stop trying to force people to do what we want.
I disagree with the contents of this post.

[Wyseguy]

I disagree with the contents of this post.

I disagree with your post being so disagreeable. Just saying.

[jimjamuser]

Agree. I find it rude and very condescending to insult someone simply based on the part of the country they are from. I grew up in the south and was always sensitive to the insulting comments that others made because they evidently felt superior being from someplace other than the south. Since college, I have lived all over the US and have found no region better or worse than others.
I have found VAST, VAST differences in parts / areas of the US. And MASSIVE differences between countries!