No more Adidas for me

[thevillages2013]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

[Keefelane66]

Just buy generic golf equipment they go either way

[Love2Swim]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

And we care about this why?

[thevillages2013]

And we care about this why?

Some have principles not all

[thevillages2013]

Just buy generic golf equipment they go either way

That is sage advice but I will buy what I choose to at least while we are still a free country

[kcrazorbackfan]

That is sage advice but I will buy what I choose to at least while we are still a free country

As will Mrs. KC and I. Tired of the Woke companies that push that.

[fdpaq0580]

That is sage advice but I will buy what I choose to at least while we are still a free country

As will we all, whether it includes , Adidas or not.
😏

[dewilson58]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

Haven't seen it, not looking forward to it.

[Garywt]

I have seen the commercial, it is not just transgender but covers all women. I just don’t agree that former men should be able to compete against women no matter what they wear.

[B-flat]

And we care about this why?

Some of us are old-fashioned a man is man and a woman is a woman end of the story. On the other hand, if a man wants to be a woman that badly a machete to the right place may put them on the right road.

I haven't owned an Addidas product since the 70s and certainly will not buy one now.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I mean, if I'm going to pick a sports company as my hill to die on, I would just - stop buying from that company. Maybe use a magic marker to blacken the swoosh on my sneakers or whatever.

But throwing away perfectly good clothing/gear is basically cutting off your nose to spite your face. You already paid for it. You can't undo that.

I don't wear Nike or Adidas stuff because I'm not into sports-branded clothing. But I really don't give a flying furt if their advertisements have men, women, transgender, black, white, disabled, poor, wealthy, Muslim, Baptist, or whatever else. They want everyone to buy their stuff. And so, they're marketing to everyone.

Unless you feel that transgender people shouldn't be allowed to buy Nike and Adidas clothing? Because if that's the case, it sounds more like a "you" problem.

[Stu from NYC]

I mean, if I'm going to pick a sports company as my hill to die on, I would just - stop buying from that company. Maybe use a magic marker to blacken the swoosh on my sneakers or whatever.

But throwing away perfectly good clothing/gear is basically cutting off your nose to spite your face. You already paid for it. You can't undo that.

I don't wear Nike or Adidas stuff because I'm not into sports-branded clothing. But I really don't give a flying furt if their advertisements have men, women, transgender, black, white, disabled, poor, wealthy, Muslim, Baptist, or whatever else. They want everyone to buy their stuff. And so, they're marketing to everyone.

Unless you feel that transgender people shouldn't be allowed to buy Nike and Adidas clothing? Because if that's the case, it sounds more like a "you" problem.

No reason my dollars should support a company that treat women so unfairly.

Men should not be able to compete against women in a womens sport.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

No reason my dollars should support a company that treat women so unfairly.

Men should not be able to compete against women in a womens sport.

I don't think men playing mens' sports should be allowed to earn more than women in womens' sports. I don't think a man OR a woman should earn more in a professional sport than a teacher, or a nurse, or a truck driver. It won't stop me from buying whatever the heck I want to buy.

[fdpaq0580]

I just don’t agree that former men should be able to compete against women no matter what they wear.

Agree with you. A few decades back I recall comments and jokes about the Russian women at athletic events showing up with "five o'clock shadow " and Adam's apples. Now it is accomplished through surgical body modification. If someone really can't find life bearable as the gender they are and wants to modify their body, I say do it. But, unless they have their DNA changed, they are still the same gender they have always been, but with body modification that mimics the gender they want to be. There are some animals that can change gender. Humans are not one of them.

[I'm Popeye!]

No reason my dollars should support a company that treat women so unfairly.

Men should not be able to compete against women in a womens sport.

I agree 100% Stu....., but we found out 2 weeks ago that some people can not determine or identify a "Woman" when asked to define a woman...

[tophcfa]

Dam, I hope Crocs doesn’t do something to cause me to have to boycott them. If that happened, all I’d have left to wear would be my sketchers golf shoes : (

[fdpaq0580]

Dam, I hope Crocs doesn’t do something to cause me to have to boycott them. If that happened, all I’d have left to wear would be my sketchers golf shoes : (

Whatever happened to U. S. KEDS?

[Bill14564]

I agree 100% Stu....., but we found out 2 weeks ago that some people can not determine or identify a "Woman" when asked to define a woman...

Have you tried that yourself? It's easy to be condescending, it's harder to be exact.

Here is an article from USA Today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2022/03/24/marsha-blackburn-asked-ketanji-jackson-define-woman-science/7152439001/)and another from WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/04/06/republican-woman-definitions/) on the subject.

[MartinSE]

Have you tried that yourself?

Here is an article from USA Today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2022/03/24/marsha-blackburn-asked-ketanji-jackson-define-woman-science/7152439001/)and another from WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/04/06/republican-woman-definitions/) on the subject. It's easy to be condescending, it's harder to be correct.

Thank you for your post, I am biting my tongue here. It is not condescending, it is hate.

[blueash]

All you experts in a man is a man and a woman is a woman... What is a person with XXY chromosomes? What is a person with XO? What is a person with XYY? What is a person with ovotestes? What is a person who has cliteromegaly that mimics in all respects a small phallus? What is a person whose brain tells them beyond any shadow of a doubt they are a woman? You experts are so certain in your ignorance and intolerance. The genders are not as simple as you wish or your church may have taught you. It is very complex and the exceptions to your wrongheaded wisdom prove the fallacy of your beliefs.

Of course you would support forcing teachers not to teach the truth about gender identity because telling children the truth would threaten your so tightly held beliefs. There is every color of the rainbow in human expression and experience of sexuality and gender.

And any corporation that understands how the emerging picture of the complexity of gender must be boycotted. Cancel culture I believe is the term the thought police use on TV

[Petersweeney]

Nike likes to get good social credit scores for sole purpose of stock value on Wall Street…race, gender….”equity” It’s all projection….they do something and accuse you of doing it…….you think they give a crap about humans….they moved their factories from China to other slave labor countries for profit….90% of all “American “ companies “just “ do it…… and we all love shopping at Walmart …. This is the middle of the slippery slope of global corporate domination…. Equity is also a distraction that is hiding the real quest of taking away personal freedoms….speech , privacy and the nuclear family unit…..China did this - Russia is almost there and we are next….

[villageuser]

No reason my dollars should support a company that treat women so unfairly.

Men should not be able to compete against women in a womens sport.

Targeting the companies that sell the items is not the solution. Targeting the organizations allow /transgender individuals to compete against non-transgender athletes would be more effective. As a woman, I personally think there should be its own transgender category.

[Sandy and Ed]

And we care about this why?
Because it is funny. At least I thought so.

[John Mayes]

I don't think men playing mens' sports should be allowed to earn more than women in womens' sports. I don't think a man OR a woman should earn more in a professional sport than a teacher, or a nurse, or a truck driver. It won't stop me from buying whatever the heck I want to buy.

The pay equity in professional sports is simply economic. When women’s sports generate the revenue that men’s sports do, women will get paid the same as men.

[Sandy and Ed]

I have seen the commercial, it is not just transgender but covers all women. I just don’t agree that former men should be able to compete against women no matter what they wear.
I think former men should compete against former women. In fact that should be a competitive class by itself. Talk about inclusive!!

[MidWestIA]

They want to let trans guys compete with girls ok let girls use steroids - it's the same thing

[thevillages2013]

I mean, if I'm going to pick a sports company as my hill to die on, I would just - stop buying from that company. Maybe use a magic marker to blacken the swoosh on my sneakers or whatever.

But throwing away perfectly good clothing/gear is basically cutting off your nose to spite your face. You already paid for it. You can't undo that.

I don't wear Nike or Adidas stuff because I'm not into sports-branded clothing. But I really don't give a flying furt if their advertisements have men, women, transgender, black, white, disabled, poor, wealthy, Muslim, Baptist, or whatever else. They want everyone to buy their stuff. And so, they're marketing to everyone.

Unless you feel that transgender people shouldn't be allowed to buy Nike and Adidas clothing? Because if that's the case, it sounds more like a "you" problem.

When Adidas runs a commercial repeatedly about transgender women in sports it goes toward normalizing it which is wrong. You as a woman should be against a man competing in women’s sports.

[Shoogley]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot
I refuse to any product with a company name on it. Why pay for their free advertising. Like paying for Walmarts plastic bags with their name on it.
And the “ my pillow” guy who sells cushions for $68.00 and 6 towels for $106 dollars and then thanks God for reducing the price. But…. People are buying it. Capitalism or greed

[thevillages2013]

I mean, if I'm going to pick a sports company as my hill to die on, I would just - stop buying from that company. Maybe use a magic marker to blacken the swoosh on my sneakers or whatever.

But throwing away perfectly good clothing/gear is basically cutting off your nose to spite your face. You already paid for it. You can't undo that.



I literally changed the swoosh on my socks with a sharpie but that washed off. The point is if I wore apparel by a company (that I don’t agree their sponsors or advertising) when there are other choices then I can’t speak out against that company and their policies

[#1bulldog]

Yes teachers should get paid the big bucks. In the early 2000s when I was teaching mathematics, I was approached by Texas Instruments. They thought my classroom lessons would make a great TV show. They had heard that my students were engaged and loved my approach to teaching. I was offered $50,000 for every class filmed. Heck, that was a whole year salary. Unfortunately I woke up from that wonderful dream. :-)

[Gunny2403]

Try ASICS’s. Made in Mexico.

[Luggage]

Life isn't fair in so many ways. If I was one of the women swimmers in that contest where they had a transgender competing, I would have gotten out of the pool and refused to swim

[me4vt]

To let us know Who Not to support!!

[Luggage]

That's my motto but if you want to be the way you are aren't then you shouldn't be allowed to compete. I have personally nothing against you for whatever you are, just don't try to unfairly have an advantage over me

[rjgnj321]

What a Perfect Statement to make on the day Christians around the world celebrate the Resurrection of a Man who Accepted all those who were different, poor, old, sick, whores, uneducated, homeless, hungry etc……..

[spd2918]

Companies should stay out of politics. Pandering to a small group of radicals (whatever the issue) will cost them profits.

Get woke, go broke.

[Keefelane66]

Throw the baby out with the bath water?
Ambiguous genitalia - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ambiguous-genitalia/symptoms-causes/syc-20369273#:~:text=Ambiguous%20genitalia%20is%20a%20 rare,have%20characteristics%20of%20both%20sexes).

[Stu from NYC]

I don't think men playing mens' sports should be allowed to earn more than women in womens' sports. I don't think a man OR a woman should earn more in a professional sport than a teacher, or a nurse, or a truck driver. It won't stop me from buying whatever the heck I want to buy.

One day when you have some time read a book about economics or even learn something about how capitalism works.

And what is stopping you from buying whatever you desire.

[Tuly914]

That is sage advice but I will buy what I choose to at least while we are still a free country

Your words, Free Country! So let people do as they please! It's a free country after all right? LOL

[jimh24444@gmail.com]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot
agree with that and have done the same. will add addidas. only power we have is power of the $

[kcrazorbackfan]

I mean, if I'm going to pick a sports company as my hill to die on, I would just - stop buying from that company. Maybe use a magic marker to blacken the swoosh on my sneakers or whatever.

But throwing away perfectly good clothing/gear is basically cutting off your nose to spite your face. You already paid for it. You can't undo that.

I don't wear Nike or Adidas stuff because I'm not into sports-branded clothing. But I really don't give a flying furt if their advertisements have men, women, transgender, black, white, disabled, poor, wealthy, Muslim, Baptist, or whatever else. They want everyone to buy their stuff. And so, they're marketing to everyone.

Unless you feel that transgender people shouldn't be allowed to buy Nike and Adidas clothing? Because if that's the case, it sounds more like a "you" problem.

Nah, it really becomes “it’s” problem when a man, who now thinks he should be sporting boobs and a vagina, goes into the bathroom with my granddaughter; it won’t be pretty.

[thevillages2013]

Your words, Free Country! So let people do as they please! It's a free country after all right? LOL

I am not threatening to go shopping with anyone to monitor what they buy. Also did you understand the “ while we are still a free country “ comment? Enjoy it while you can

[thevillages2013]

Nah, it really becomes “it’s” problem when a man, who now thinks he should be sporting boobs and a vagina, goes into the bathroom with my granddaughter; it won’t be pretty.

Bingo. Thank you for laying that out so people can understand the situation that our kids an grandkids will have to deal with even after Grandpa is gone

[jimbomaybe]

All you experts in a man is a man and a woman is a woman... What is a person with XXY chromosomes? What is a person with XO? What is a person with XYY? What is a person with ovotestes? What is a person who has cliteromegaly that mimics in all respects a small phallus? What is a person whose brain tells them beyond any shadow of a doubt they are a woman? You experts are so certain in your ignorance and intolerance. The genders are not as simple as you wish or your church may have taught you. It is very complex and the exceptions to your wrongheaded wisdom prove the fallacy of your beliefs.

Of course you would support forcing teachers not to teach the truth about gender identity because telling children the truth would threaten your so tightly held beliefs. There is every color of the rainbow in human expression and experience of sexuality and gender.

And any corporation that understands how the emerging picture of the complexity of gender must be boycotted. Cancel culture I believe is the term the thought police use on TV
The complexity is in the nature of what can go wrong, the possibilities of maladjustments , biological, phycological are of course endless. The reason for the genetic differences, male/female has been shown to offer great advantages as has been shown by many millions of years of evolution, and clearly those differences have a profound, pervasive effect that can not be wished away. It is not hate or intolerance to state a fact

[Andyb]

Thank you! If everyone would do this, we could send a strong message. I’ll add Adidias to my extensive boycott list.

[Windguy]

Ah, yes, The Villages: Florida’s Most Tolerant Home Town.

So much hate…

[Proveone]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot
Get over yourself and stop trying to live in the 50's. The world and society has changed for the better. Everyone can't and should look and think like you!

[dewilson58]

Everyone can't and should look and think like you!

Interesting statement. :oops:

[Kgcetm]

Does Converse still make high tops?

[Proveone]

As will Mrs. KC and I. Tired of the Woke companies that push that.
"Woke" companies? Stop parroting what you hear/watch on Noise cable tv networks. Don't you have an original thought in your mind!

[Larchap49]

And we care about this why?

If you don't care that real women now have to compete against against men and they were born and are men you are part of the problem. It is unfair and wrong in every sense.

[Stu from NYC]

Ah, yes, The Villages: Florida’s Most Tolerant Home Town.

So much hate…

Why is a disagreement over a fundamental fact that biological males and females are different make us haters?

[Bill14564]

Why is a disagreement over a fundamental fact that biological males and females are different make us haters?

The discussion in this thread seems to be coming from several different angles including a call to cancel a company and an outright threat against someone who is different. Regrettably (though not unexpectedly) some of the discussion is most definitely intolerant and hateful.

[BlackhawksFan]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

So you're fearful of transgender people. What did they ever do to you?

May you be blessed with a transgender grandchild.

[KYtoTV2021]

That is sage advice but I will buy what I choose to at least while we are still a free country

Your money is "support". If you give money to support Adidas, you support transgender competition. I really iS that simple. A free county? Of course. But do you really want men competing as women?

[JMintzer]

Haven't seen it, not looking forward to it.

Since I first read this thread, I've seen the new commercial at least 1/2 dozen times...

I have a mute button for just such occasions...

[BlackhawksFan]

Nah, it really becomes “it’s” problem when a man, who now thinks he should be sporting boobs and a vagina, goes into the bathroom with my granddaughter; it won’t be pretty.

Is it a problem when a woman sporting a ***** uses the men's room with you? And if it s why are you looking?

[BlackhawksFan]

Haven't seen it, not looking forward to it.
I wish more of the bigots had profile photos like you. At least I know one person to avoid when I see them. For the others I'll just look for the knives and pitchforks.

[JMintzer]

Your money is "support". If you give money to support Adidas, you support transgender competition. I really iS that simple. A free county? Of course. But do you really want men competing as women?

Your premise in false. I buy Adidas sneakers and golf shoes because they fit me well...

Same with Brooks running shoes.

I find Nike shoes to be tighter in the toe box, aggravating my Morton's Neuroma...

I do not support Lia Thomas, nor do I support Fallon Fox competing against biological women...

Unlike some, I can separate the issues...

[JMintzer]

I wish more of the bigots had profile photos like you. At least I know one person to avoid when I see them. For the others I'll just look for the knives and pitchforks.

WOW! Nice illogical jump you made there...


P.S. Where's your profile pic?

[Bill14564]

Your money is "support". If you give money to support Adidas, you support transgender competition. I really iS that simple. A free county? Of course. But do you really want men competing as women?

Hmm, there is a grammatical error but I'm not sure we would agree on the word that needs to be changed to make the statement correct.

[JMintzer]

I mean, if I'm going to pick a sports company as my hill to die on, I would just - stop buying from that company. Maybe use a magic marker to blacken the swoosh on my sneakers or whatever.

But throwing away perfectly good clothing/gear is basically cutting off your nose to spite your face. You already paid for it. You can't undo that.

I don't wear Nike or Adidas stuff because I'm not into sports-branded clothing. But I really don't give a flying furt if their advertisements have men, women, transgender, black, white, disabled, poor, wealthy, Muslim, Baptist, or whatever else. They want everyone to buy their stuff. And so, they're marketing to everyone.

Unless you feel that transgender people shouldn't be allowed to buy Nike and Adidas clothing? Because if that's the case, it sounds more like a "you" problem.

The fact that you think they are marketing to "everyone" is adorable...

And your last paragraph is a nice "red herring"...

[JMintzer]

I don't think men playing mens' sports should be allowed to earn more than women in womens' sports. I don't think a man OR a woman should earn more in a professional sport than a teacher, or a nurse, or a truck driver. It won't stop me from buying whatever the heck I want to buy.

Well, since most sports get their revenue from ticket sales and TV revenue, when women's sports garner the same income generation, they will deserve the same pay...

Although I do agree that the salaries of pro-athletes has gotten ridiculous...

[aallbrand]

Most reading this forum will be dead sooner than latter. We moved to the T.V. for the active life style and positive thinking. Thousands of clubs and the best we can do is complain about a commercial from a tennis shoe company because they support Transgender woman . How pathetic , embarrassing and sad and by the way unless you are Transgender or really know some one who is I thinks its wise to keep hurtful comments to your self.

[JMintzer]

Dam, I hope Crocs doesn’t do something to cause me to have to boycott them. If that happened, all I’d have left to wear would be my sketchers golf shoes : (

I'm surprised these haven't caused a boycott of the company...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/i~AAAOSwCwJhmFQ0/s-l640.jpg

[JMintzer]

Whatever happened to U. S. KEDS?

They never kept up with the technological improvements in athletic shoes...

[BlackhawksFan]

WOW! Nice illogical jump you made there...


P.S. Where's your profile pic?

I'm not a bigot so I'll remain anonymous like your dog

[JMintzer]

Have you tried that yourself? It's easy to be condescending, it's harder to be exact.

Here is an article from USA Today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2022/03/24/marsha-blackburn-asked-ketanji-jackson-define-woman-science/7152439001/)and another from WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/04/06/republican-woman-definitions/) on the subject.

Two Opinion pieces...

[JMintzer]

Thank you for your post, I am biting my tongue here. It is not condescending, it is hate.

BS...

[The Chipster]

So you move down to The Villages, a haven of fun, friendship, peace, and goodwill. And then you get worked up into a froth over an issue that does not affect you or the vast majority of Americans in the least. Why don't you spend a large amount of your time volunteering to help the poor who live all around your area, instead of sitting around getting ****ed off at everything?

[fdpaq0580]

. Regrettably (though not unexpectedly) some of the discussion is most definitely intolerant and hateful.

Just like the real world.

[JMintzer]

All you experts in a man is a man and a woman is a woman... What is a person with XXY chromosomes? What is a person with XO? What is a person with XYY? What is a person with ovotestes? What is a person who has cliteromegaly that mimics in all respects a small phallus? What is a person whose brain tells them beyond any shadow of a doubt they are a woman? You experts are so certain in your ignorance and intolerance. The genders are not as simple as you wish or your church may have taught you. It is very complex and the exceptions to your wrongheaded wisdom prove the fallacy of your beliefs.

Of course you would support forcing teachers not to teach the truth about gender identity because telling children the truth would threaten your so tightly held beliefs. There is every color of the rainbow in human expression and experience of sexuality and gender.

And any corporation that understands how the emerging picture of the complexity of gender must be boycotted. Cancel culture I believe is the term the thought police use on TV

More red herrings...

[JMintzer]

Targeting the companies that sell the items is not the solution. Targeting the organizations allow /transgender individuals to compete against non-transgender athletes would be more effective. As a woman, I personally think there should be its own transgender category.

Agreed...

[airstreamingypsy]

I'm a woman, I don't believe that trans men should be allowed to compete against women, I also don't care what kind of shoes the OP buys and I don't believe this topic belongs here.... it's just another whiny troll topic.

[JMintzer]

They want to let trans guys compete with girls ok let girls use steroids - it's the same thing

Nothing close to the same thing... Bone structure, lung capacity, etc, etc, etc, will still be different...

[JMintzer]

What a Perfect Statement to make on the day Christians around the world celebrate the Resurrection of a Man who Accepted all those who were different, poor, old, sick, whores, uneducated, homeless, hungry etc……..

Nice of you to bring religion into a discussion that has absolutely NOTHING to do with religion...

[JMintzer]

Ah, yes, The Villages: Florida’s Most Tolerant Home Town.

So much hate…

The only hate I see is from you. It's not hate to think that someone with a significant physical advantage, due to being born (and going thru puberty) as a male should not be allowed to compete with women...

[JMintzer]

Does Converse still make high tops?

Yes... But high tops don't really do anything as far as ankle protection goes...

[JMintzer]

Why is a disagreement over a fundamental fact that biological males and females are different make us haters?

Because they have no logical argument to make...

[JMintzer]

So you're fearful of transgender people. What did they ever do to you?

May you be blessed with a transgender grandchild.

Where did the person you called fearful say anything close to that?

[Stu from NYC]

Where did the person you called fearful say anything close to that?

Why should facts get in the way of some peoples arguments.

As lawyers have said when the facts are on your side pound on the law.

When they are against you pound on the table.

[wfp113]

I agree 100%.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Nah, it really becomes “it’s” problem when a man, who now thinks he should be sporting boobs and a vagina, goes into the bathroom with my granddaughter; it won’t be pretty.

I'd actually be more concerned if YOU went into the bathroom with your granddaughter. Pedophilia is more prevalent in straight older males than in gay or trans women.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I literally changed the swoosh on my socks with a sharpie but that washed off. The point is if I wore apparel by a company (that I don’t agree their sponsors or advertising) when there are other choices then I can’t speak out against that company and their policies

Actually, you have more power as a customer than you have as someone who doesn't help them profit.

You also have more power as a shareholder.

If you really want them to change their tune, you'll buy stock in their company and attend their stockholder meetings, and use your power of the vote to make them change.

Until then, it's just more noise from Charlie Brown's teacher.

[JMintzer]

Is it a problem when a woman sporting a ***** uses the men's room with you? And if it s why are you looking?

He obviously meant using the women's room...

But you be you...

[photo1902]

I'd actually be more concerned if YOU went into the bathroom with your granddaughter. Pedophilia is more prevalent in straight older males than in gay or trans women.

You win best post of the day! :bigbow:

[JMintzer]

I'm not a bigot so I'll remain anonymous like your dog

Oh, I used to have my pic in my profile...

It's just that my dog is much cuter than I am...

And who says you're not a bigot?


P.S. YOU'RE opinion doesn't count...

[billethkid]

Companies should stay out of politics. Pandering to a small group of radicals (whatever the issue) will cost them profits.

Get woke, go broke.

Given the extremely small percentage of the total population I do not view the participating companies as "marketing" anything.
They are promoting a specific attribute of the special interest group to the masses.

Therein lies the core problem.....pandering to the special interest groups ignoring/trampling the rights of the majority.

[JMintzer]

I'd actually be more concerned if YOU went into the bathroom with your granddaughter. Pedophilia is more prevalent in straight older males than in gay or trans women.

The "whataboutism" is strong in this one...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The only hate I see is from you. It's not hate to think that someone with a significant physical advantage, due to being born (and going thru puberty) as a male should not be allowed to compete with women...

So how would you feel if a woman with a significant physical advantage over other women, due to being born (a physically amazing gene pool) as a woman, wanted to compete with other women?

Or hm - a woman with prodigial hand-eye coordination, that most golfers lack, competing in womens' golf against other women who don't have that prodigial hand-eye coordination?

Should Tiger Woods have been rejected from pro-golf because he has a significant biological advantage over other golfers (golf is both a physical and mental sport, and he mastered it from both ends, something others COULD NOT DO)?

How about [insert name] the pro-football running back who can do whatever the heck he does better than any other football player due to his physicality? Should he be disqualified so that lesser men can have a chance at winning?

A woman with naturally broad-shouldered frame and narrow hips will have a much higher shot at being a championship swimmer than a woman with narrow shoulders and wider hips. Should that broad-shouldered woman not be permitted to compete?

People are both however they're born, and their physicality doesn't prevent them from competing. In fact, often it's their physicality that allows them to win. Do we tell those with superior physicality that they're no longer allowed to compete because it's not fair to those with less superior physicality? No, no we don't. In fact, we applaud it, and pay them the winning prize for it.

UNTIL you start talking about something that you don't understand or fear. Then it's a bad thing. Physical traits becomes taboo, no longer permitted. THIS physical trait will ruin the game, it gives everyone else an unfair advantage.

Maybe they should just check testosterone levels. If your levels are on par with the levels of the rest of the people on your team, then you can play. If they're not, you can't. No matter what your DNA says you are. A man with super-low testosterone levels as a result of genetic mutation, should be able to compete on the womens' team. In fact, change the names. No more womens' teams and no more mens' teams. Make it Hi-T and Low-T.

You want it to be fair, then go down that road instead. The presence or absence of a ***** or vagina doesn't mean diddly, except in the case of reproduction and whether or not it's easy to pee standing up.

[Number 10 GI]

I wish more of the bigots had profile photos like you. At least I know one person to avoid when I see them. For the others I'll just look for the knives and pitchforks.

Didn't someone post earlier about so much hate on this forum?

[Lancer]

Some have principles not all

Some also have prejudices.

[billethkid]

I think I just sensed the thread taking a lateral arabesque!!!!!!!

[wamley]

To a great extent Professional sport salaries are a refections of the amount of money that it brings into the owners and the organization that runs them. Women sports are just not not viewed or produce near the same revenue that men sports do. Example, there are no professional football teams and their basketball teams suffer from revemue short falls. I guess you could put this inder natural selection, not because of prejudice.

[fdpaq0580]

Most reading this forum will be dead sooner than latter. We moved to the T.V. for the active life style and positive thinking. Thousands of clubs and the best we can do is complain about a commercial from a tennis shoe company because they support Transgender woman . How pathetic , embarrassing and sad and by the way unless you are Transgender or really know some one who is I thinks its wise to keep hurtful comments to your self.

People talk sports all the time. This post is actually about fairness in sports. Many of the folks, myself included, have stated that they really don't care if people want to surgically alter their appearance. The concern comes when a surgically altered male now identified as trans-female should be allowed to compete against natural females. Many of us feel that is simply unfair. Some do not wish to support businesses that support what they disapprove of, which is their right.
The controversy is really that simple.

[dougjb]

This thread is so stupid.

When the Russian athlete who lost to Bruce Jenner in the Olympic's decathalon was informed that Mr. Jenner had become Caitlyn Jenner, his comment was so spot on that I just smiled and nodded. He said, "Oh...so I lost to a woman!" as in who the heck cares. If you all want to get your knickers in a bunch because of someone living their life as they like (i.e. its called freedom), then get your knickers in a knot. But, please don't try to convince me that your small mindedness is something we should all share. Adopt the Russian athlete's motto, Who the heck cares!

[fdpaq0580]

So you're fearful of transgender people. What did they ever do to you?

May you be blessed with a transgender grandchild.

WHAT???
First you sound like TransFan defender of transgenders. Then you "bless" someone with a transgender grandchild, like transgender is a horrible curse.
What do you reeeaaallly think, down deep in your deepest emotions? Don't tell us, that is your private domain.

[Stu from NYC]

This thread is so stupid.

When the Russian athlete who lost to Bruce Jenner in the Olympic's decathalon was informed that Mr. Jenner had become Caitlyn Jenner, his comment was so spot on that I just smiled and nodded. He said, "Oh...so I lost to a woman!" as in who the heck cares. If you all want to get your knickers in a bunch because of someone living their life as they like (i.e. its called freedom), then get your knickers in a knot. But, please don't try to convince me that your small mindedness is something we should all share. Adopt the Russian athlete's motto, Who the heck cares!

If a woman works her tail off to get an athletic scholarship and than along comes a male who decides to be a female and gets her scholarship is that ok with you?

If it was your daughter would you say who cares? I do not think so.

[Stu from NYC]

So how would you feel if a woman with a significant physical advantage over other women, due to being born (a physically amazing gene pool) as a woman, wanted to compete with other women?

Or hm - a woman with prodigial hand-eye coordination, that most golfers lack, competing in womens' golf against other women who don't have that prodigial hand-eye coordination?

Should Tiger Woods have been rejected from pro-golf because he has a significant biological advantage over other golfers (golf is both a physical and mental sport, and he mastered it from both ends, something others COULD NOT DO)?

How about [insert name] the pro-football running back who can do whatever the heck he does better than any other football player due to his physicality? Should he be disqualified so that lesser men can have a chance at winning?

A woman with naturally broad-shouldered frame and narrow hips will have a much higher shot at being a championship swimmer than a woman with narrow shoulders and wider hips. Should that broad-shouldered woman not be permitted to compete?

People are both however they're born, and their physicality doesn't prevent them from competing. In fact, often it's their physicality that allows them to win. Do we tell those with superior physicality that they're no longer allowed to compete because it's not fair to those with less superior physicality? No, no we don't. In fact, we applaud it, and pay them the winning prize for it.

UNTIL you start talking about something that you don't understand or fear. Then it's a bad thing. Physical traits becomes taboo, no longer permitted. THIS physical trait will ruin the game, it gives everyone else an unfair advantage.

Maybe they should just check testosterone levels. If your levels are on par with the levels of the rest of the people on your team, then you can play. If they're not, you can't. No matter what your DNA says you are. A man with super-low testosterone levels as a result of genetic mutation, should be able to compete on the womens' team. In fact, change the names. No more womens' teams and no more mens' teams. Make it Hi-T and Low-T.

You want it to be fair, then go down that road instead. The presence or absence of a ***** or vagina doesn't mean diddly, except in the case of reproduction and whether or not it's easy to pee standing up.

Silly me thought we were talking about differences between males and females. So now you want to complicate it by talking about some males are stronger than other males and vice versa?

[fdpaq0580]

This thread is so stupid.

When the Russian athlete who lost to Bruce Jenner in the Olympic's decathalon was informed that Mr. Jenner had become Caitlyn Jenner, his comment was so spot on that I just smiled and nodded. He said, "Oh...so I lost to a woman!" as in who the heck cares. If you all want to get your knickers in a bunch because of someone living their life as they like (i.e. its called freedom), then get your knickers in a knot. But, please don't try to convince me that your small mindedness is something we should all share. Adopt the Russian athlete's motto, Who the heck cares!

The Russian was fanning away an insult. Jenner was not a woman. The Russian knows it, the world knows it and I bet you know it too.

[Joorn59]

Pun intended?

[Sherry8bal]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

GOOD FOR YOU!!! If we as consumers don't stand up to this woke nonsense, more and more companies will keep doing this.

[JMintzer]

So how would you feel if a woman with a significant physical advantage over other women, due to being born (a physically amazing gene pool) as a woman, wanted to compete with other women?

I'm absolutely fine with that. But that's not the discussion at hand, now is it?

Or hm - a woman with prodigial hand-eye coordination, that most golfers lack, competing in womens' golf against other women who don't have that prodigial hand-eye coordination?

Another red herring...

Should Tiger Woods have been rejected from pro-golf because he has a significant biological advantage over other golfers (golf is both a physical and mental sport, and he mastered it from both ends, something others COULD NOT DO)?

More red herrings...

We're not talking about MEN competing with other MEN...

How about [insert name] the pro-football running back who can do whatever the heck he does better than any other football player due to his physicality? Should he be disqualified so that lesser men can have a chance at winning?

Continued illogical examples do nothing to help your argument...

A woman with naturally broad-shouldered frame and narrow hips will have a much higher shot at being a championship swimmer than a woman with narrow shoulders and wider hips. Should that broad-shouldered woman not be permitted to compete?

And the foolishness continues...

People are both however they're born, and their physicality doesn't prevent them from competing. In fact, often it's their physicality that allows them to win. Do we tell those with superior physicality that they're no longer allowed to compete because it's not fair to those with less superior physicality? No, no we don't. In fact, we applaud it, and pay them the winning prize for it.

No one said anything of the sort. Except you, of course...

UNTIL you start talking about something that you don't understand or fear. Then it's a bad thing. Physical traits becomes taboo, no longer permitted. THIS physical trait will ruin the game, it gives everyone else an unfair advantage.

Yes, YOU don't seem to understand the PHYSIOLOGICAL differences between biological men and women.

Me, otoh? I've studied kinesiology, and I DO understand those innate differences...

Maybe they should just check testosterone levels. If your levels are on par with the levels of the rest of the people on your team, then you can play. If they're not, you can't. No matter what your DNA says you are. A man with super-low testosterone levels as a result of genetic mutation, should be able to compete on the womens' team. In fact, change the names. No more womens' teams and no more mens' teams. Make it Hi-T and Low-T.

More foolishness. NATURAL levels? By all means, compete...

You want it to be fair, then go down that road instead. The presence or absence of a ***** or vagina doesn't mean diddly, except in the case of reproduction and whether or not it's easy to pee standing up.

You can keep repeating your silly comparisons. It doesn't make them any more correct...

I find it sad that you don't care enough about women to keep their sports fair to women...

If you think this is fine, you're a lost cause...

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[GATORBILL66]

And we care about this why?
So if you had a daughter, would it be okay if she had to compete against men? Adidas is promoting men who are transgenders competing against women. That ain't right!

[maistocars]

And we care about this why?
If you don't care about it, then you likely have no real daughters.

[JMintzer]

People talk sports all the time. This post is actually about fairness in sports. Many of the folks, myself included, have stated that they really don't care if people want to surgically alter their appearance. The concern comes when a surgically altered male now identified as trans-female should be allowed to compete against natural females. Many of us feel that is simply unfair. Some do not wish to support businesses that support what they disapprove of, which is their right.
The controversy is really that simple.

Not that it matters to the discussion, but in many cases, there is NO surgical alteration... Lia Thomas has not had any surgery...

Ranked 460 something as a male swimmer just over a year ago... Now ranked #1 as a woman... Sure...Let's go with that...

Hope all that support this have a daughter/granddaughter who loses out on a scholarship or place on the Olympic team because of this... (See how that works both ways?)

[John Mayes]

I wish more of the bigots had profile photos like you. At least I know one person to avoid when I see them. For the others I'll just look for the knives and pitchforks.

Wow…..idiotic response.

[JMintzer]

This thread is so stupid.

When the Russian athlete who lost to Bruce Jenner in the Olympic's decathalon was informed that Mr. Jenner had become Caitlyn Jenner, his comment was so spot on that I just smiled and nodded. He said, "Oh...so I lost to a woman!" as in who the heck cares. If you all want to get your knickers in a bunch because of someone living their life as they like (i.e. its called freedom), then get your knickers in a knot. But, please don't try to convince me that your small mindedness is something we should all share. Adopt the Russian athlete's motto, Who the heck cares!

Once again (for the umpteenth time)...

The vast majority don't care how someone chooses to live their life. This thread is NOT about that...

This discussion is about fairness in WOMEN'S sports...


P.S. Can you please cite this "quote" from Nikolai Avilov? Not that I don't believe it, but I don't believe it...

[RayMan]

Go barefoot... Adidas nor Nike will miss the closeminded, and ignorant. You're the minority... Bye!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’m sure that sports with the help of science will come to some type of rules over this issue , but I suspect for many here this isn’t so much about transgender athletes as it is about transgender people themselves, who just like the rest of us are just trying to be happy with who we are. As far as boycotting Adidas and Nike I suspect that like the NFL boycott most that complained weren’t watching anyway, the same applies to these companies , or like many guys who were boycotting the NFL only to blurt out during a conversation about some play lol, just like some saying they have thrown out there gear on this posting while wearing there Nike sneakers . Me I’ll still be wearing my Nike sneakers while watching the NFL next year and still believing we are all whatever God you worship his children

[maistocars]

That is sage advice but I will buy what I choose to at least while we are still a free country
Maybe, but when we aren't free it'll be too late to act as the Canadiens and Australians found out.

[John Mayes]

So how would you feel if a woman with a significant physical advantage over other women, due to being born (a physically amazing gene pool) as a woman, wanted to compete with other women?

Or hm - a woman with prodigial hand-eye coordination, that most golfers lack, competing in womens' golf against other women who don't have that prodigial hand-eye coordination?

Should Tiger Woods have been rejected from pro-golf because he has a significant biological advantage over other golfers (golf is both a physical and mental sport, and he mastered it from both ends, something others COULD NOT DO)?

How about [insert name] the pro-football running back who can do whatever the heck he does better than any other football player due to his physicality? Should he be disqualified so that lesser men can have a chance at winning?

A woman with naturally broad-shouldered frame and narrow hips will have a much higher shot at being a championship swimmer than a woman with narrow shoulders and wider hips. Should that broad-shouldered woman not be permitted to compete?

People are both however they're born, and their physicality doesn't prevent them from competing. In fact, often it's their physicality that allows them to win. Do we tell those with superior physicality that they're no longer allowed to compete because it's not fair to those with less superior physicality? No, no we don't. In fact, we applaud it, and pay them the winning prize for it.

UNTIL you start talking about something that you don't understand or fear. Then it's a bad thing. Physical traits becomes taboo, no longer permitted. THIS physical trait will ruin the game, it gives everyone else an unfair advantage.

Maybe they should just check testosterone levels. If your levels are on par with the levels of the rest of the people on your team, then you can play. If they're not, you can't. No matter what your DNA says you are. A man with super-low testosterone levels as a result of genetic mutation, should be able to compete on the womens' team. In fact, change the names. No more womens' teams and no more mens' teams. Make it Hi-T and Low-T.

You want it to be fair, then go down that road instead. The presence or absence of a ***** or vagina doesn't mean diddly, except in the case of reproduction and whether or not it's easy to pee standing up.

Your whole argument has nothing to do with the original point on the conversation. If people who care about women’s rights can’t admit to the fact that grown biological male athletes have a distinct physical advantage over female athletes, then that’s either ignorance or wokeism that would rather ignore facts because it messes up their argument.

[John Mayes]

People talk sports all the time. This post is actually about fairness in sports. Many of the folks, myself included, have stated that they really don't care if people want to surgically alter their appearance. The concern comes when a surgically altered male now identified as trans-female should be allowed to compete against natural females. Many of us feel that is simply unfair. Some do not wish to support businesses that support what they disapprove of, which is their right.
The controversy is really that simple.

Perfectly stated.

[kcrazorbackfan]

"Woke" companies? Stop parroting what you hear/watch on Noise cable tv networks. Don't you have an original thought in your mind!

Shouldn’t that last sentence end with a question mark and not the exclamation point? Or did you think you were making a statement but it turned into a question by using the first word “don’t”?

Either way, people need to think about what they’re replying to before they write something that totally doesn’t make sense and then hit that send key. They probably won’t sound like a dufus next time.

I have my beliefs and you have yours - leave it at that, sport.

[JMintzer]

Go barefoot... Adidas nor Nike won't miss the closeminded, and ignorant. You're the minority... Bye!

Can't debate? Insult...

[JMintzer]

I’m sure that sports with the help of science will come to some type of rules over this issue , but I suspect for many here this isn’t so much about transgender athletes as it is about transgender people themselves, who just like the rest of us are just trying to be happy with who we are. As far as boycotting Adidas and Nike I suspect that like the NFL boycott most that complained weren’t watching anyway, the same applies to these companies , or like many guys who were boycotting the NFL only to blurt out during a conversation about some play lol, just like some saying they have thrown out there gear on this posting while wearing there Nike sneakers . Me I’ll still be wearing my Nike sneakers while watching the NFL next year and still believing we are all whatever God you worship children

Good for you.

[JMintzer]

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[Number 10 GI]

This thread is so stupid.

When the Russian athlete who lost to Bruce Jenner in the Olympic's decathalon was informed that Mr. Jenner had become Caitlyn Jenner, his comment was so spot on that I just smiled and nodded. He said, "Oh...so I lost to a woman!" as in who the heck cares. If you all want to get your knickers in a bunch because of someone living their life as they like (i.e. its called freedom), then get your knickers in a knot. But, please don't try to convince me that your small mindedness is something we should all share. Adopt the Russian athlete's motto, Who the heck cares!

A very talented and capable, born female, swimmer that has trained all her life for competition shouldn't care that a, born male swimmer, who "thinks he is female" beats her??? Her loss just might jeopardize a scholarship or a place on the Olympic team and possibly paid endorsements for products.

How would you feel as the parent of this woman after you spent years taking her to events, practice and spent money so she could compete and possibly win recognition for her accomplishments? Are you going to tell her "suck it up buttercup", forget all the effort and sacrifice you put into the sport, you got beat by the better man?

It is (follow the science) a fact that the male body is physically much more capable than a female body. It was quite evident to me during my 20 years in the Army that females could not perform physically at the same levels as male soldiers.
There is no fairness for natural women when they have to compete against men who claim they are a woman.

Who really cares what a Russian athlete has to say????? Now if he has a halo and walks on water while turning water to wine, I probably will give him all my attention.

[OhioBuckeye]

Didn’t know that about Adidas, thanks for that information! Thanks to our legal system & society. I never wore a Nike shoe only because Colin Kaepernick is there non American kneeling flag & military hater. Can’t believe we allow Nike into our country. As a matter of fact anything China made & yea I know 90% of everything we buy is made in China. Maybe that’s why China is way ahead of the U.S.

[OhioBuckeye]

Didn’t know that about Adidas, thanks for that information! Thanks to our legal system & society. I never wore a Nike shoe only because Colin Kaepernick is there non American kneeling flag & military hater. Can’t believe we allow Nike into our country. As a matter of fact anything China made & yea I know 90% of everything we buy is made in China. Maybe that’s why China is way ahead of the U.S. Measage just right now.

[jimjamuser]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot
9 pages on this subject already? A lot of these high emotion threads seem (to me) to be saying......things WERE not this way in my day ..... things have changed .......and I resent these changes.

[JMintzer]

Didn’t know that about Adidas, thanks for that information! Thanks to our legal system & society. I never wore a Nike shoe only because Colin Kaepernick is there non American kneeling flag & military hater. Can’t believe we allow Nike into our country. As a matter of fact anything China made & yea I know 90% of everything we buy is made in China. Maybe that’s why China is way ahead of the U.S.

Well, Nike IS an American Company... Founded by Phil Knight, in the 70's... So there's that...

[JMintzer]

9 pages on this subject already? A lot of these high emotion threads seem (to me) to be saying......things WERE not this way in my day ..... things have changed .......and I resent these changes.

How about you respond to what people are ACTUALLY saying? I know, novel concept...

[Chiefhyde]

I have seen the commercial, it is not just transgender but covers all women. I just don’t agree that former men should be able to compete against women no matter what they wear.

TOTALLY AGREE - it certainly is not fair at all to women sports

If you were born as a male and now decide you are really a women - fine - but it is beginning to look like some people are using this to gain an advantage . Same thing if a man transitions to a women and goes to jail - he should be in a male prison

[jimjamuser]

No reason my dollars should support a company that treat women so unfairly.

Men should not be able to compete against women in a womens sport.
I agree with the 2nd sentence. But, I also realize that we are NOT talking about a SIMPLE black and white issue here. Times have changed and GENDER is now much more fluid than in ....say 1950. There are more medical treatments that can alter the original testosterone production of a young male .......to the point of being compliant with the rules of say......the Olympics Committee. I imagine that it must be very complex and put a large and newer burden on Sports Officials to make the determination of GENDER. And the end result/determination will NEVER PLEASE everyone!
......... Since gender fluidity has changed in our lifetimes, imagine (if you will) the future......like in 2100........Gender could mean something very different. Humans may have the capability to change GENDER every 2 years if they desire. Or maybe they could wake up in the morning and say, "today I think I feel like a boy". So, they go into a shower-like area and turn a dial to.......boy. Sounds like a good plot for a science fiction book?

[jimjamuser]

..and yet is being celebrated as being the "first black woman" on the supreme court.
oh, the irony.
I disagree.

[Stu from NYC]

I agree with the 2nd sentence. But, I also realize that we are NOT talking about a SIMPLE black and white issue here. Times have changed and GENDER is now much more fluid than in ....say 1950. There are more medical treatments that can alter the original testosterone production of a young male .......to the point of being compliant with the rules of say......the Olympics Committee. I imagine that it must be very complex and put a large and newer burden on Sports Officials to make the determination of GENDER. And the end result/determination will NEVER PLEASE everyone!
......... Since gender fluidity has changed in our lifetimes, imagine (if you will) the future......like in 2100........Gender could mean something very different. Humans may have the capability to change GENDER every 2 years if they desire. Or maybe they could wake up in the morning and say, "today I think I feel like a boy". So, they go into a shower-like area and turn a dial to.......boy. Sounds like a good plot for a science fiction book?

Sorry do not believe in gender fluidity if that is even a real word.

[jimjamuser]

Nike likes to get good social credit scores for sole purpose of stock value on Wall Street…race, gender….”equity” It’s all projection….they do something and accuse you of doing it…….you think they give a crap about humans….they moved their factories from China to other slave labor countries for profit….90% of all “American “ companies “just “ do it…… and we all love shopping at Walmart …. This is the middle of the slippery slope of global corporate domination…. Equity is also a distraction that is hiding the real quest of taking away personal freedoms….speech , privacy and the nuclear family unit…..China did this - Russia is almost there and we are next….
I think that the "nuclear family unit" is a long way from being destroyed. As of today, gender fluidity applies to only a tiny % of people.

[JMintzer]

TOTALLY AGREE - it certainly is not fair at all to women sports

If you were born as a male and now decide you are really a women - fine - but it is beginning to look like some people are using this to gain an advantage . Same thing if a man transitions to a women and goes to jail - he should be in a male prison

Why? What could possibly go wrong if they're put in a female prison? [/sarcasm]

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[Caymus]

Compromise.... I own some Nike stock but wear New Balance. Nike has a very dedicated customer base.

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[JMintzer]

I agree with the 2nd sentence. But, I also realize that we are NOT talking about a SIMPLE black and white issue here. Times have changed and GENDER is now much more fluid than in ....say 1950. There are more medical treatments that can alter the original testosterone production of a young male .......to the point of being compliant with the rules of say......the Olympics Committee. I imagine that it must be very complex and put a large and newer burden on Sports Officials to make the determination of GENDER. And the end result/determination will NEVER PLEASE everyone!
......... Since gender fluidity has changed in our lifetimes, imagine (if you will) the future......like in 2100........Gender could mean something very different. Humans may have the capability to change GENDER every 2 years if they desire. Or maybe they could wake up in the morning and say, "today I think I feel like a boy". So, they go into a shower-like area and turn a dial to.......boy. Sounds like a good plot for a science fiction book?

Altering testosterone levels in an adult has ZERO effect on the physiological changes that have already occurred if the transition occurs after puberty...

And that is what is happening...

[jimjamuser]

The pay equity in professional sports is simply economic. When women’s sports generate the revenue that men’s sports do, women will get paid the same as men.
It's much more than that. Billy Gene King in tennis proved that. As a society moves forward it CONFERS THE BLESSING of freedom onto its 2nd class citizens.........because of race or because of being women. At this point in history, the US should move FORWARD toward equal pay for women in sports and everywhere. Or we could go "Handmaiden's Tale" back to burkas and women not being allowed to drive cars. That is unlikely but, it is done now in Afghanistan and the US has some responsibility for that pathetic development. GENDER issues are important issues worldwide!
.........It would be nice if mothers and female power put a stop to autocracy in Russia soon!

[jimjamuser]

When Adidas runs a commercial repeatedly about transgender women in sports it goes toward normalizing it which is wrong. You as a woman should be against a man competing in women’s sports.
The "which is wrong" part is judgmental. It is a judgment based on ideas from the 1950s. The world has moved on to more GENDER FLUIDITY. Our own medical expert has explained all of this in a prior post.

[DrBrutyle109]

I don't think men playing mens' sports should be allowed to earn more than women in womens' sports. I don't think a man OR a woman should earn more in a professional sport than a teacher, or a nurse, or a truck driver. It won't stop me from buying whatever the heck I want to buy.
Men make more because sponsors are willing to pay more. A lot of woman’s sports don’t draw the TV revenue. That’s not anyones fault. As far as a teacher needs to make more……where would the money come from. Maybe they can wear clothes with sponsors on them. Your comparison is just off base

[jimjamuser]

One day when you have some time read a book about economics or even learn something about how capitalism works.

And what is stopping you from buying whatever you desire.
Capitalism has plenty of flaws. It just beats out all the other systems.

[MartinSE]

The "which is wrong" part is judgmental. It is a judgment based on ideas from the 1950s. The world has moved on to more GENDER FLUIDITY. Our own medical expert has explained all of this in a prior post.

Well, I have enjoyed your posts on this topic (as well as others). But, I will take a slight exception here, the "1950's". Today's changes and opinions about sexuality, privilege, etc. are engrained based on thousands (if not millions of years) of male dominance. Originally for some reason, humans split responsibilities between males and females.

The 2 sex model is primarily a religious doctrine and not so much a scientific one, and with between 65% and 90% (depending on which poll you believe) of Americans believing there is a God, it is not surprising that sexual fluidity is on an uphill path, that there is significant resistance to that change.

[jimjamuser]

The complexity is in the nature of what can go wrong, the possibilities of maladjustments , biological, phycological are of course endless. The reason for the genetic differences, male/female has been shown to offer great advantages as has been shown by many millions of years of evolution, and clearly those differences have a profound, pervasive effect that can not be wished away. It is not hate or intolerance to state a fact
When genetic differences prove to be positive.......that is called evolution.

[MartinSE]

Companies should stay out of politics. Pandering to a small group of radicals (whatever the issue) will cost them profits.

Get woke, go broke.

And you say this based on years of experience running a multi-billion dollar international business?

[MartinSE]

Altering testosterone levels in an adult has ZERO effect on the physiological changes that have already occurred if the transition occurs after puberty...

And that is what is happening...

Very true today, time marches on and technology improves. No telling what tomorrow will bring. If there is money to be made, someone will make it. Morals, ethics, and religious beliefs all take a back seat to profits in our society.

Not saying that is a good thing, actually, I believe it is a bad thing, it just is what it is.

[MartinSE]

This thread seems to be about a couple of things - only loosely related.

As far as the problem of sports, I have for a long time thought the "solution" to this whole drug/sex/enhanced thing was pretty simple. Just follow the drag racing model - pure stock, modified, and super modified.

I seem to recall that prosthetics are no longer allowed - like running leg replacements because real legs can no longer compete. Hmmm, seems like a modified class would solve that.

[jimjamuser]

Yes... But high tops don't really do anything as far as ankle protection goes...
High tops make a fashion statement. They are practical, comfortable, and WAY cool!

[jimjamuser]

Oh, I used to have my pic in my profile...

It's just that my dog is much cuter than I am...

And who says you're not a bigot?


P.S. YOU'RE opinion doesn't count...
Good choice the dog IS cute. And he does NOT even look opinionated.

[JMintzer]

The "which is wrong" part is judgmental. It is a judgment based on ideas from the 1950s. The world has moved on to more GENDER FLUIDITY. Our own medical expert has explained all of this in a prior post.

"Our Own" medical expert? Bwahahaha!

[JMintzer]

It's much more than that. Billy Gene King in tennis proved that. As a society moves forward it CONFERS THE BLESSING of freedom onto its 2nd class citizens.........because of race or because of being women. At this point in history, the US should move FORWARD toward equal pay for women in sports and everywhere. Or we could go "Handmaiden's Tale" back to burkas and women not being allowed to drive cars. That is unlikely but, it is done now in Afghanistan and the US has some responsibility for that pathetic development. GENDER issues are important issues worldwide!
.........It would be nice if mothers and female power put a stop to autocracy in Russia soon!

What did "Billie" "Jean" King prove? When she played, women's tennis was a fledgling market, no where near as popular as men's tennis.

Now, she did help promote women's tennis (as did Chris Evert), and women's purses have increased exponentially. Williams sisters are the most recent one's to keep the increased interest going...

Wimbledon's purses are the same for men vs women...

The US Open pays the same... As do the French and Australian Opens...

The WNBA can't draw flies... It is subsidized by the NBA. Without that subsidy, the league would fold...

US Women's World Cup is popular here, but women's soccer on a global basis pales in comparison to men's soccer...

[jimjamuser]

Given the extremely small percentage of the total population I do not view the participating companies as "marketing" anything.
They are promoting a specific attribute of the special interest group to the masses.

Therein lies the core problem.....pandering to the special interest groups ignoring/trampling the rights of the majority.
Addidas and Nike have simply made a PR decision that most of their customers are young. Young customers spend the "BIG BUCKS" and DRIVE the fashion TRENDS - so the shoe companies advertise toward their YOUNG PROGRESSIVE ideas and not the older retired generation. The BABY BOOMER GENERATION types are passe, non-entities to those advertisers that are watching customer trends. Sorry, Charlie Boomer-person, you no longer rule - it's just Capitalism's door smacking you on your way out. So sad, too bad, you have been had by Great Father Time!

[JMintzer]

Good choice the dog IS cute. And he does NOT even look opinionated.

Her preferred pronoun is "She". Don't you dare assume her gender!

And don't be fooled, she is quite judgmental...

[Stu from NYC]

Capitalism has plenty of flaws. It just beats out all the other systems.

So very true

[jimjamuser]

The "whataboutism" is strong in this one...
That is actually funny....an allusion to "Star Wars".
......A thousand monkeys on typewriters can even come up with something good once in a while!

[JMintzer]

Men make more because sponsors are willing to pay more. A lot of woman’s sports don’t draw the TV revenue. That’s not anyones fault. As far as a teacher needs to make more……where would the money come from. Maybe they can wear clothes with sponsors on them. Your comparison is just off base

There is plenty of money to pay teachers. It's just that the school boards can't run their finances properly...

[JMintzer]

Well, I have enjoyed your posts on this topic (as well as others). But, I will take a slight exception here, the "1950's". Today's changes and opinions about sexuality, privilege, etc. are engrained based on thousands (if not millions of years) of male dominance. Originally for some reason, humans split responsibilities between males and females.

Oh, I don't know... Maybe that innate "survival of the species" trait?

[JMintzer]

Very true today, time marches on and technology improves. No telling what tomorrow will bring. If there is money to be made, someone will make it. Morals, ethics, and religious beliefs all take a back seat to profits in our society.

Not saying that is a good thing, actually, I believe it is a bad thing, it just is what it is.

If people want to make money on biological men fracturing women's skulls (ie Fallon Fox), count me out...

[JMintzer]

This thread seems to be about a couple of things - only loosely related.

As far as the problem of sports, I have for a long time thought the "solution" to this whole drug/sex/enhanced thing was pretty simple. Just follow the drag racing model - pure stock, modified, and super modified.

I seem to recall that prosthetics are no longer allowed - like running leg replacements because real legs can no longer compete. Hmmm, seems like a modified class would solve that.

"Drag" Racing... (giggle...)

[jimjamuser]

So how would you feel if a woman with a significant physical advantage over other women, due to being born (a physically amazing gene pool) as a woman, wanted to compete with other women?

Or hm - a woman with prodigial hand-eye coordination, that most golfers lack, competing in womens' golf against other women who don't have that prodigial hand-eye coordination?

Should Tiger Woods have been rejected from pro-golf because he has a significant biological advantage over other golfers (golf is both a physical and mental sport, and he mastered it from both ends, something others COULD NOT DO)?

How about [insert name] the pro-football running back who can do whatever the heck he does better than any other football player due to his physicality? Should he be disqualified so that lesser men can have a chance at winning?

A woman with naturally broad-shouldered frame and narrow hips will have a much higher shot at being a championship swimmer than a woman with narrow shoulders and wider hips. Should that broad-shouldered woman not be permitted to compete?

People are both however they're born, and their physicality doesn't prevent them from competing. In fact, often it's their physicality that allows them to win. Do we tell those with superior physicality that they're no longer allowed to compete because it's not fair to those with less superior physicality? No, no we don't. In fact, we applaud it, and pay them the winning prize for it.

UNTIL you start talking about something that you don't understand or fear. Then it's a bad thing. Physical traits becomes taboo, no longer permitted. THIS physical trait will ruin the game, it gives everyone else an unfair advantage.

Maybe they should just check testosterone levels. If your levels are on par with the levels of the rest of the people on your team, then you can play. If they're not, you can't. No matter what your DNA says you are. A man with super-low testosterone levels as a result of genetic mutation, should be able to compete on the womens' team. In fact, change the names. No more womens' teams and no more mens' teams. Make it Hi-T and Low-T.

You want it to be fair, then go down that road instead. The presence or absence of a ***** or vagina doesn't mean diddly, except in the case of reproduction and whether or not it's easy to pee standing up.
Ah, the MIRACLE of peeing standing up.....evolutionary superiority at its finest. And PLEASE pass me some of that HI-T soft drink mentioned in the post.

[JMintzer]

High tops make a fashion statement. They are practical, comfortable, and WAY cool!

How are they practical? (aside from keeping crap from falling into your shoes when hiking?)

Comfortable? Typically hotter than low tops...

Way cool? Meh...

[jimjamuser]

To a great extent Professional sport salaries are a refections of the amount of money that it brings into the owners and the organization that runs them. Women sports are just not not viewed or produce near the same revenue that men sports do. Example, there are no professional football teams and their basketball teams suffer from revemue short falls. I guess you could put this inder natural selection, not because of prejudice.
It is more like a social phenomenon (male-dominated sports) that has lasted past its real usefulness. Society changes slowly. Remember that Billy Gene king changed the sport of tennis - and now women mostly get equal pay and equal time for their matches on TV.
..........I call that an improvement (like Chapter 9 in college sports) as society PROGRESSES forward.

[jimjamuser]

Silly me thought we were talking about differences between males and females. So now you want to complicate it by talking about some males are stronger than other males and vice versa?
I could see that those were examples to prove a point - the point of this thread. The post was well written.

[jimjamuser]

Well, I have enjoyed your posts on this topic (as well as others). But, I will take a slight exception here, the "1950's". Today's changes and opinions about sexuality, privilege, etc. are engrained based on thousands (if not millions of years) of male dominance. Originally for some reason, humans split responsibilities between males and females.

The 2 sex model is primarily a religious doctrine and not so much a scientific one, and with between 65% and 90% (depending on which poll you believe) of Americans believing there is a God, it is not surprising that sexual fluidity is on an uphill path, that there is significant resistance to that change.
Athropogically speaking humans did divide into 2 groups. Males USUALLY did the hunting and the females did the gathering of fruit and grain. That division of labor would cause the men to develop larger frames and muscles over anthropological time. And women developed greater skills in organization, sociability, and language skills. (men hunting just had to point....that's a joke). But, some females probably hunted and some males (maybe older ones) probably did gathering and cooking. Males were probably more replaceable (less valuable) than women because reproduction was essential to continue the species.
.........Now we are in a period of modern humans and our brains are evolving rapidly to take in rapid scientific and social changes. Modern life in an office may be more like the GATHERING and communication skills possessed by women than the HUNTING skills possessed by men.

[JMintzer]

It is more like a social phenomenon (male-dominated sports) that has lasted past its real usefulness. Society changes slowly. Remember that Billy Gene king changed the sport of tennis - and now women mostly get equal pay and equal time for their matches on TV.
..........I call that an improvement (like Chapter 9 in college sports) as society PROGRESSES forward.

How did "Billy Gene" (sic) King change the sport of tennis?

And "Title 9" is being destroyed by biological men competing as women...

[KAM+6]

I agree 100% Stu....., but we found out 2 weeks ago that some people can not determine or identify a "Woman" when asked to define a woman...

We found out 2 weeks ago that the person asking the stupid question didn't know the answer.

[JMintzer]

Athropogically speaking humans did divide into 2 groups. Males USUALLY did the hunting and the females did the gathering of fruit and grain. That division of labor would cause the men to develop larger frames and muscles over anthropological time. And women developed greater skills in organization, sociability, and language skills. (men hunting just had to point....that's a joke). But, some females probably hunted and some males (maybe older ones) probably did gathering and cooking. Males were probably more replaceable (less valuable) than women because reproduction was essential to continue the species.
.........Now we are in a period of modern humans and our brains are evolving rapidly to take in rapid scientific and social changes. Modern life in an office may be more like the GATHERING and communication skills possessed by women than the HUNTING skills possessed by men.

Please explain then, why in all primates (our closest cousins in the animal kingdom) are the males stronger than the females?

Only women can give birth (last time I checked), so we never "divided" into anything...

Your "office" analogy has absolutely NOTHING to do with sports, the actual topic at hand...

[MartinSE]

There is plenty of money to pay teachers. It's just that the school boards can't run their finances properly...

Well, defined properly. They are very good at paying 10 times what a school book is actually worth, hence someone makes lots of money - hmm, I am sure school board don't think about that.

And let's understand that being an educational administrator requires very high salaries.

Enough sarcasm, I know. They are VERY good at doing what they do, it just has little to nothing to do with Education.

Teachers on the other hand, of the lowest paid on the totem pole, and massively underpaid considering the importance to our kids and the country. Education in todays world economy is extremely valuable.

[MartinSE]

Capitalism has plenty of flaws. It just beats out all the other systems.

I completely agree with you, I just wish we had capitalism here.

[RayMan]

jimjamuser You should educate yourself before talking such nonsense. No one wakes up and decides to switch genders... Did you have to sleep with a man to "decide" you were heterosexual? No, you just knew...right? The same goes for gays, lesbians, trans, etc... They know. It's just that because of the lack of acceptance from their family, part of society, etc... they wait to come out when they've built up enough courage to deal with all the negativity that comes from ignorant people like yourself. Live and Let Live!!

[jimjamuser]

There is plenty of money to pay teachers. It's just that the school boards can't run their finances properly...
Actually, it is that rich people place other rich people on the school board. Then they vote out expensive programs like vocational (big in the old days) making everyone believe that they MUST go to college and shunning those that prefer to work with their hands. The end result is that property taxes are kept as low as possible by lowering public school costs.
........The other method is to emphasize PRIVATE schools. And then in the private schools, there are many students that will buy the latest fashions like various VERY EXPENSIVE shoe designs and clothing. It becomes pure Capitalism and a high-level consumer's heaven.

[RayMan]

I agree with the 2nd sentence. But, I also realize that we are NOT talking about a SIMPLE black and white issue here. Times have changed and GENDER is now much more fluid than in ....say 1950. There are more medical treatments that can alter the original testosterone production of a young male .......to the point of being compliant with the rules of say......the Olympics Committee. I imagine that it must be very complex and put a large and newer burden on Sports Officials to make the determination of GENDER. And the end result/determination will NEVER PLEASE everyone!
......... Since gender fluidity has changed in our lifetimes, imagine (if you will) the future......like in 2100........Gender could mean something very different. Humans may have the capability to change GENDER every 2 years if they desire. Or maybe they could wake up in the morning and say, "today I think I feel like a boy". So, they go into a shower-like area and turn a dial to.......boy. Sounds like a good plot for a science fiction book?

You should educate yourself before talking such nonsense. No one wakes up and decides to switch genders... Did you have to sleep with a man to "decide" you were heterosexual? No, you just knew...right? The same goes for gays, lesbians, trans, etc... They know. It's just that because of the lack of acceptance from their family, part of society, etc... they wait to come out when they've built up enough courage to deal with all the negativity that comes from ignorant people like yourself. Live and Let Live!!

[jimjamuser]

Please explain then, why in all primates (our closest cousins in the animal kingdom) are the males stronger than the females?

Only women can give birth (last time I checked), so we never "divided" into anything...

Your "office" analogy has absolutely NOTHING to do with sports, the actual topic at hand...
Actually, in Benovo (may not be spelled correctly) Monkeys, the female monkeys dominate the group. I don.t know why?

[Stu from NYC]

I completely agree with you, I just wish we had capitalism here.

Well we are mostly capitalistic but too many people do not understand that you get ahead with hard work not with govt taking care of you.

[JMintzer]

Actually, it is that rich people place other rich people on the school board. Then they vote out expensive programs like vocational (big in the old days) making everyone believe that they MUST go to college and shunning those that prefer to work with their hands. The end result is that property taxes are kept as low as possible by lowering public school costs.

Where do you come up with this?

My county (Montgomery County, MD), and the HS my kids went to (Churchill HS, which consistently ranked in the top 3 in the State) spends about 1/2 per student than Baltimore County. They spend about 1/3 of what DC spends per student, with us paying SIGNIFICANTLY higher property taxes.

........The other method is to emphasize PRIVATE schools. And then in the private schools, there are many students that will buy the latest fashions like various VERY EXPENSIVE shoe designs and clothing. It becomes pure Capitalism and a high-level consumer's heaven.

No idea what this has to do with the discussion, but sure, why not...

I guess you're unaware of the kids being robbed (and even killed) over their expensive sneakers and jackets in the poorer PUBLIC schools...

[MartinSE]

jimjamuser You should educate yourself before talking such nonsense. No one wakes up and decides to switch genders... Did you have to sleep with a man to "decide" you were heterosexual? No, you just knew...right? The same goes for gays, lesbians, trans, etc... They know. It's just that because of the lack of acceptance from their family, part of society, etc... they wait to come out when they've built up enough courage to deal with all the negativity that comes from ignorant people like yourself. Live and Let Live!!

You see, first you insult someone for disagreeing with you. Then you post something which has little to no scientific evidence to support it. You based your entire post on the idea that LGBTQ "decide" they are not CIS. Some do. Most don't. So, maybe it is you who should educate yourself.

[JMintzer]

Actually, in Benovo (may not be spelled correctly) Monkeys, the female monkeys dominate the group. I don.t know why?

Because they're closer to humans? Happy wife (monkey) happy life?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So if you had a daughter, would it be okay if she had to compete against men? Adidas is promoting men who are transgenders competing against women. That ain't right!

If a transgender man (someone born with the body parts of a woman, but lives as a man) wanted to compete against men, would you be okay with that? If they had their breasts removed, are taking testosterone to make sure their levels are the same as the biological male counterparts, have facial hair, and no uterus or fallopian tubes?

[MartinSE]

My county (Montgomery County, MD), and the HS my kids went to (Churchill HS, which consistently ranked in the top 3 in the State) spends about 1/2 per student than Baltimore County. They spend about 1/3 of what DC spends per student, with us paying SIGNIFICANTLY higher property taxes.
.

Yours is one, I might say it is THE exception however I am sure there are other examples of "good school systems".

MOST are not efficient. Most have overpaid administration structures. And most have very poor outcomes despite all the money being spent.

[Bogie Shooter]

Actually, it is that rich people place other rich people on the school board. Then they vote out expensive programs like vocational (big in the old days) making everyone believe that they MUST go to college and shunning those that prefer to work with their hands. The end result is that property taxes are kept as low as possible by lowering public school costs.
........The other method is to emphasize PRIVATE schools. And then in the private schools, there are many students that will buy the latest fashions like various VERY EXPENSIVE shoe designs and clothing. It becomes pure Capitalism and a high-level consumer's heaven.

More gibberish……

[JMintzer]

You see, first you insult someone for disagreeing with you. Then you post something which has little to no scientific evidence to support it. You based your entire post on the idea that LGBTQ "decide" they are not CIS. Some do. Most don't. So, maybe it is you who should educate yourself.

Ummm... Methinks that you're actually AGREEING with what RayMan said...

I suggest you go back and CAREFULLY re-read his post...

[Bogie Shooter]

Actually, in Benovo (may not be spelled correctly) Monkeys, the female monkeys dominate the group. I don.t know why?

Bonobo, Google is your friend.

[Bayco]

I agree 100% Stu....., but we found out 2 weeks ago that some people can not determine or identify a "Woman" when asked to define a woman...

Sure. Make this remark and ignore the context the question was asked. This entire post is very political.

[JMintzer]

Yours is one, I might say it is THE exception however I am sure there are other examples of "good school systems".

MOST are not efficient. Most have overpaid administration structures. And most have very poor outcomes despite all the money being spent.

I never said our system is efficient. They waste money with the best of them. They SHOULD be paying their teachers more, as well.

It's just that they don't waste money on the epic scale that other places do...

If spending more money was the answer, those areas spending 3 X's as much should have much better results, right?

Oh, and much of their success comes from parental involvement...

I remember one "Back to School Night". A new teacher walked into his "standing room only classroom, thinking many of us were in the wrong room. When he was assured we were all in the right place, he commented that he had never had that many people over the entire night as he did in his first period class...

[MartinSE]

If a transgender man (someone born with the body parts of a woman, but lives as a man) wanted to compete against men, would you be okay with that? If they had their breasts removed, are taking testosterone to make sure their levels are the same as the biological male counterparts, have facial hair, and no uterus or fallopian tubes?

Point made, I agree. I also say, the same could be said for Intersex people and others.

Whaat about Trisomy women, women with three Chromosomes? There are around 0.1% in the general population - that would be about 150,000 in the general population. Hmm. wonder what they are, since I have been told in this forum under no uncertain terms, that men have 2 and women have two. So, those 150,000 "people" (maybe not people?) are something else?

There is another case called Triploidy with 3 sets of Chromosomes which affects arounds 2% of all pregnancies but it is almost always fatal - the baby/fetus seldom survives. What do we put on their death/birth certificates? Male, female? I guess those fetuses just DECIDED to have 3...

It seems so easy to define "woman" today.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If a woman works her tail off to get an athletic scholarship and than along comes a male who decides to be a female and gets her scholarship is that ok with you?

If it was your daughter would you say who cares? I do not think so.

If a man works his tail off to get an athletic scholarship and along comes a woman who "decides to be a male" and gets his scholarship and beats the snot out of the first man because the transgender man turned out to be just flat out better at the sport than the non-trans man, does that make the non-trans man a wuss? Or does it just make the one who transed better at the sport?

[MartinSE]

I never said our system is efficient. They waste money with the best of them. They SHOULD be paying their teachers more, as well.

It's just that they don't waste money on the epic scale that other places do...

If spending more money was the answer, those areas spending 3 X's as much should have much better results, right?

Oh, and much of their success comes from parental involvement...

I remember one "Back to School Night". A new teacher walked into his "standing room only classroom, thinking many of us were in the wrong room. When he was assured we were all in the right place, he commented that he had never had that many people over the entire night as he did in his first period class...

Sorry, I should have been clearer and said your school was "more efficient" . :)

I completely agree, parental involvement is a major factor in school success. Of course that will open the door to what the parents should be involved in, but that is another debate.

Let's just agree that the more a child's parents are involved in their education and "up bringing" (there an oldie phrase) the better the odds are for a positive outcome for the child. If only everyone could be more involved, I wonder what they isn't the case?

[JMintzer]

If a transgender man (someone born with the body parts of a woman, but lives as a man) wanted to compete against men, would you be okay with that? If they had their breasts removed, are taking testosterone to make sure their levels are the same as the biological male counterparts, have facial hair, and no uterus or fallopian tubes?

It'll never happen, as they won't be able to compete on a physical basis. Your analogy fails to consider the developmental changes that occur during puberty...

(And I'm not talking about sports not requiring strength and stamina, such as archery, skeet shooting, etc...)

[Bill14564]

If a man works his tail off to get an athletic scholarship and along comes a woman who "decides to be a male" and gets his scholarship and beats the snot out of the first man because the transgender man turned out to be just flat out better at the sport than the non-trans man, does that make the non-trans man a wuss? Or does it just make the one who transed better at the sport?

When that starts happening I’m sure there will be a discussion about it. Do you have an example today?

[jimjamuser]

jimjamuser You should educate yourself before talking such nonsense. No one wakes up and decides to switch genders... Did you have to sleep with a man to "decide" you were heterosexual? No, you just knew...right? The same goes for gays, lesbians, trans, etc... They know. It's just that because of the lack of acceptance from their family, part of society, etc... they wait to come out when they've built up enough courage to deal with all the negativity that comes from ignorant people like yourself. Live and Let Live!!
I think that an important part of my post was overlooked. I said to pretend that we were in the FUTURE in the year 2100. And there could be some strange and unpredictable changes in GENDER FLUIDITY. It was like a thought experiment.....a way to look at the subject differently.

[MartinSE]

I think that an important part of my post was overlooked. I said to pretend that we were in the FUTURE in the year 2100. And there could be some strange and unpredictable changes in GENDER FLUIDITY. It was like a thought experiment.....a way to look at the subject differently.

Thought? What is that?

[JMintzer]

If a man works his tail off to get an athletic scholarship and along comes a woman who "decides to be a male" and gets his scholarship and beats the snot out of the first man because the transgender man turned out to be just flat out better at the sport than the non-trans man, does that make the non-trans man a wuss? Or does it just make the one who transed better at the sport?

Please show me where this has ever happened (except in your imagination)...

[jimjamuser]

Well we are mostly capitalistic but too many people do not understand that you get ahead with hard work not with govt taking care of you.
Actually, the government (ideally) takes care of people that, for many reasons, can't take care of themselves. It reaches out a hand to lift up people. Help them to get healthcare and a roof over their head. It gives them human dignity. Not everyone is 100% fit to work hard. Many wish that they were. Life is like the luck of the draw and not everyone comes out lucky. Some have at birth disadvantages that you and I would not be able to overcome no matter how hard we tried.
........It is easy to sit in the "high castle " and look down. It is harder to relate to those down there looking up.

[JMintzer]

Actually, the government (ideally) takes care of people that, for many reasons, can't take care of themselves. It reaches out a hand to lift up people. Help them to get healthcare and a roof over their head. It gives them human dignity. Not everyone is 100% fit to work hard. Many wish that they were. Life is like the luck of the draw and not everyone comes out lucky. Some have at birth disadvantages that you and I would not be able to overcome no matter how hard we tried.
........It is easy to sit in the "high castle " and look down. It is harder to relate to those down there looking up.

No one suggested there shouldn't be a "safety net"...

But admitting that would destroy your argument...

[dougjb]

So....does anyone remember the Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King match?

Imagine Mr. Riggs was transgender. Anyone wanna guess whether that skinny little wuss of a man (even as a woman) would stand a chance against Billie Jean. She worked hard to become a true athlete. He worked hard at working his misogynist mouth off.

Athletes are athletes. If a transgender beat a woman in a particular sport, what was the time differential in the finish. If it was just milliseconds or even seconds, it seems to me that it is just a matter of training. And if the birth woman beat the transgender entrant, perhaps it is due to her very early training in the sport which may have been denied the transgender entrant?

It seems like this thread is making a mountain out of a molehill. I suspect Fox Opinion News has something to do with it. It would appear that so many on this thread are twisting their hankies into knots, crying how unfair....when one must wonder how unfair it really is...if at all!

[jimjamuser]

Where do you come up with this?

My county (Montgomery County, MD), and the HS my kids went to (Churchill HS, which consistently ranked in the top 3 in the State) spends about 1/2 per student than Baltimore County. They spend about 1/3 of what DC spends per student, with us paying SIGNIFICANTLY higher property taxes.



No idea what this has to do with the discussion, but sure, why not...

I guess you're unaware of the kids being robbed (and even killed) over their expensive sneakers and jackets in the poorer PUBLIC schools...
I am aware of crime in poor areas. But, in a country with the highest GNP in the world, I would ask WHY ARE THERE ANY POOR AREAS! Is it because the powers that BE
have made it that way and they like it that way? The US is ranked only about 30th in UPWARD MOBILITY in the world. Sweden, Finland, and Norway kill us and are in the top ten. I ask YOU, WHY IS THIS, why IS the US so far behind? Are we inhuman, non-caring beasts comparatively?
........If you don't understand the tax policy set up to accommodate the rich in the US compared to Sweden. Or you choose to look away. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. And in the US, there are a lot of problems. And most shield their eyes and pretend that we are #1. #1 at what? Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich?

[JMintzer]

So....does anyone remember the Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King match?

Imagine Mr. Riggs was transgender. Anyone wanna guess whether that skinny little wuss of a man (even as a woman) would stand a chance against Billie Jean. She worked hard to become a true athlete. He worked hard at working his misogynist mouth off.

Athletes are athletes. If a transgender beat a woman in a particular sport, what was the time differential in the finish. If it was just milliseconds or even seconds, it seems to me that it is just a matter of training. And if the birth woman beat the transgender entrant, perhaps it is due to her very early training in the sport which may have been denied the transgender entrant?

It seems like this thread is making a mountain out of a molehill. I suspect Fox Opinion News has something to do with it. It would appear that so many on this thread are twisting their hankies into knots, crying how unfair....when one must wonder how unfair it really is...if at all!

He was also 26 years older than she was (55 vs 29), and no longer playing competitive tennis so there's that...

But nice try...

[JMintzer]

I am aware of crime in poor areas. But, in a country with the highest GNP in the world, I would ask WHY ARE THERE ANY POOR AREAS! Is it because the powers that BE
have made it that way and they like it that way? The US is ranked only about 30th in UPWARD MOBILITY in the world. Sweden, Finland, and Norway kill us and are in the top ten. I ask YOU, WHY IS THIS, why IS the US so far behind? Are we inhuman, non-caring beasts comparatively?
........If you don't understand the tax policy set up to accommodate the rich in the US compared to Sweden. Or you choose to look away. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. And in the US, there are a lot of problems. And most shield their eyes and pretend that we are #1. #1 at what? Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich?

I'd explain it to you, but it would have to be a political post and I don't want another vacation... But there are benefits to keeping people dependent on government support...

[jimjamuser]

I never said our system is efficient. They waste money with the best of them. They SHOULD be paying their teachers more, as well.

It's just that they don't waste money on the epic scale that other places do...

If spending more money was the answer, those areas spending 3 X's as much should have much better results, right?

Oh, and much of their success comes from parental involvement...

I remember one "Back to School Night". A new teacher walked into his "standing room only classroom, thinking many of us were in the wrong room. When he was assured we were all in the right place, he commented that he had never had that many people over the entire night as he did in his first period class...
School quality and teacher salaries are PURPOSELY kept down by low property taxes (which benefits people that have high property values. The people passing the property taxes are defending themselves against paying a high tax bill. Some call that the "fox guarding the henhouse"

[JMintzer]

........If you don't understand the tax policy set up to accommodate the rich in the US compared to Sweden. Or you choose to look away. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. And in the US, there are a lot of problems. And most shield their eyes and pretend that we are #1. #1 at what? Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich?

Methinks it's YOU who doesn't understand the tax policy...

When 50% of the population pay ZERO federal income taxes (and actually get "refunds" for paying nothing), yes, we have a problem.

If you were really aware of Sweden's tax rates, you would know that EVERYONE pays. They also have a 25% VAT that EVERYONE pays...

[Stu from NYC]

School quality and teacher salaries are PURPOSELY kept down by low property taxes (which benefits people that have high property values. The people passing the property taxes are defending themselves against paying a high tax bill. Some call that the "fox guarding the henhouse"

Not many places where they have to educate a lot of kids have low property taxes. At least that is what I see in the world I live in.

[thevillages2013]

What a Perfect Statement to make on the day Christians around the world celebrate the Resurrection of a Man who Accepted all those who were different, poor, old, sick, whores, uneducated, homeless, hungry etc……..

When they confessed their sins! Not acting like it is the norm!

[thevillages2013]

Interesting statement. :oops:

That’s exactly what I was thinking!:bigbow:

[thevillages2013]

So you're fearful of transgender people. What did they ever do to you?

May you be blessed with a transgender grandchild.

That crap won’t happen in my immediate family

[thevillages2013]

Actually, you have more power as a customer than you have as someone who doesn't help them profit.

You also have more power as a shareholder.

If you really want them to change their tune, you'll buy stock in their company and attend their stockholder meetings, and use your power of the vote to make them change.

Until then, it's just more noise from Charlie Brown's teacher.

Pretty sure that I have influenced a bunch of smart people to stop buying Adidas

[Bill14564]

That crap won’t happen in my immediate family

Since your grandchild is not your immediate family then by definition it won't (but you are smart enough to know that, right?).

I hope if a grandchild does identify as trans that he will not be met by this hostility since *that* will certainly affect your immediate family.

[jimjamuser]

No one suggested there shouldn't be a "safety net"...

But admitting that would destroy your argument...
OK, so we agree about the desirability of a safety net for people in society that were NOT born with many of the tools needed to succeed in today's complicated world. My main point is that the acceptance of "trans" people or GENDER FLUID people has changed from (let us say) 1950 to the present - that is PROGRESS. And it makes sense that in the FUTURE there will likely be MORE acceptance. That is barring some cataclysmic event like a war causing social PROGRESS to be on hold.

[biker1]

Bobby Riggs, in his prime, was a very good tennis player. I believe he was ranked number 1 in the world at one point and won several grand slam events. He played, and lost to, Billie Jean King when he was in his mid 50s and she was in her prime. If he was a transgender woman in his prime he would have dominated women's tennis. He was a showman who had a big mouth.

So....does anyone remember the Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King match?

Imagine Mr. Riggs was transgender. Anyone wanna guess whether that skinny little wuss of a man (even as a woman) would stand a chance against Billie Jean. She worked hard to become a true athlete. He worked hard at working his misogynist mouth off.

Athletes are athletes. If a transgender beat a woman in a particular sport, what was the time differential in the finish. If it was just milliseconds or even seconds, it seems to me that it is just a matter of training. And if the birth woman beat the transgender entrant, perhaps it is due to her very early training in the sport which may have been denied the transgender entrant?

It seems like this thread is making a mountain out of a molehill. I suspect Fox Opinion News has something to do with it. It would appear that so many on this thread are twisting their hankies into knots, crying how unfair....when one must wonder how unfair it really is...if at all!

[Jokomo]

All you experts in a man is a man and a woman is a woman... What is a person with XXY chromosomes? What is a person with XO? What is a person with XYY? What is a person with ovotestes? What is a person who has cliteromegaly that mimics in all respects a small phallus? What is a person whose brain tells them beyond any shadow of a doubt they are a woman? You experts are so certain in your ignorance and intolerance. The genders are not as simple as you wish or your church may have taught you. It is very complex and the exceptions to your wrongheaded wisdom prove the fallacy of your beliefs.

Of course you would support forcing teachers not to teach the truth about gender identity because telling children the truth would threaten your so tightly held beliefs. There is every color of the rainbow in human expression and experience of sexuality and gender.

And any corporation that understands how the emerging picture of the complexity of gender must be boycotted. Cancel culture I believe is the term the thought police use on TV


Very well said. Thanks for your thoughtful fact based response and questions.

[Vermilion Villager]

As will Mrs. KC and I. Tired of the Woke companies that push that.

Please explain "woke" to us....(This should be good!!!:popcorn:)
Got a C note that says you get it wrong.......

[Bogie Shooter]

Please explain "woke" to us....(This should be good!!!:popcorn:)
Got a C note that says you get it wrong.......

I’m waiting too……..

[Keefelane66]

They will never tell you.

[jimbomaybe]

School quality and teacher salaries are PURPOSELY kept down by low property taxes (which benefits people that have high property values. The people passing the property taxes are defending themselves against paying a high tax bill. Some call that the "fox guarding the henhouse"


My experience in Chicago is that public school teachers get paid more than the parochial school teachers who turnout much better educated children as compared to the public schools, the difference being parental involvement

[JMintzer]

OK, so we agree about the desirability of a safety net for people in society that were NOT born with many of the tools needed to succeed in today's complicated world. My main point is that the acceptance of "trans" people or GENDER FLUID people has changed from (let us say) 1950 to the present - that is PROGRESS. And it makes sense that in the FUTURE there will likely be MORE acceptance. That is barring some cataclysmic event like a war causing social PROGRESS to be on hold.

Which again has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand...

[fdpaq0580]

Please explain "woke" to us....(This should be good!!!:popcorn:)
Got a C note that says you get it wrong.......

Will you accept the dictionary definition, or does it have to be the politically correct nonsense?
I can use it in a sentence. " This morning I woke with a hangover."
Do I get a participation trophy?

[Bogie Shooter]

Will you accept the dictionary definition, or does it have to be the politically correct nonsense?
I can use it in a sentence. " This morning I woke with a hangover."
Do I get a participation trophy?

The use being questioned was not used in that context.

[Garywt]

Life isn't fair in so many ways. If I was one of the women swimmers in that contest where they had a transgender competing, I would have gotten out of the pool and refused to swim

This was sad news. To compete and train your entire life in swimming only to be beat by a transgender that was ranted 465 when he was a man is just not fair. He should have competed against men or other transgenders only. Why should that young lady have to settle for 2nd place.

[Garywt]

That crap won’t happen in my immediate family

Really? Is suicide better?

[rsmurano]

I know many people that play sports that stopped buying Nike many years ago when Nike started using Kaepernick for their ads. I will not support any company that supports ex-guys competing in womens sports, cancel culture works both ways.

[thevillages2013]

To a great extent Professional sport salaries are a refections of the amount of money that it brings into the owners and the organization that runs them. Women sports are just not not viewed or produce near the same revenue that men sports do. Example, there are no professional football teams and their basketball teams suffer from revemue short falls. I guess you could put this inder natural selection, not because of prejudice.

Summed up perfectly

[Bill14564]

Hey Mr Smart guy you might want to check your definition of immediate family. If you are so woke you should know the definition. It may have changed a little since the 1940’s:popcorn:

Which definition would you prefer, Merriam-Webster's (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immediate%20family) or the Code of Federal Regulations (1973) (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/780.308)?

Woke? It would seem you don't know the meaning of that word either.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Is it a problem when a woman sporting a ***** uses the men's room with you? And if it s why are you looking?

I DO NOT go into public bathrooms unless it’s a single stall and I can lock the doors; it’s one less place where I don’t have to deal with them.

Are you looking?

[Laker14]

I am sympathetic to the struggle of gender identity in this culture. I don't understand it, but that doesn't mean I can't be sympathetic. I agree that the effects of male hormones beyond the onset of puberty give a male-to-female athlete an unfair advantage over non-transgender women. Life is full of tough choices and IMO, if a person makes a decision to go male-to-female transgender, that person should have to accept that competing against women in gender specific sports is just one of the things they'll have to give up.
Beyond that, I don't get the antipathy that is obvious in so many of these posts towards transgenders.

Give people a break. Live and let live. Don't go out of your way to make others' lives, lives you know nothing about, even more difficult.

Is that so hard to do?

[heidyho]

Who cares what you like. Get a life.

[John Mayes]

It's much more than that. Billy Gene King in tennis proved that. As a society moves forward it CONFERS THE BLESSING of freedom onto its 2nd class citizens.........because of race or because of being women. At this point in history, the US should move FORWARD toward equal pay for women in sports and everywhere. Or we could go "Handmaiden's Tale" back to burkas and women not being allowed to drive cars. That is unlikely but, it is done now in Afghanistan and the US has some responsibility for that pathetic development. GENDER issues are important issues worldwide!
.........It would be nice if mothers and female power put a stop to autocracy in Russia soon!

WTH??? Not sure that has anything to do with my post.

[DaleDivine]

Please show me where this has ever happened (except in your imagination)...

Michelle Wie tried...
:ohdear::ohdear:

[gemini5001]

Going EITHER WAY may double your chances of scoring a date on a Friday night but NOT GOOD in politics or business....lol

[gemini5001]

Thank you.
Agree wholeheartedly !

[jdulej]

Wow! I just came off another 30 day "go stand in the corner" penalty and see that nothing has changed. Not that I expected it to.

[Number 10 GI]

Please explain "woke" to us....(This should be good!!!:popcorn:)
Got a C note that says you get it wrong.......

"Woke" is mental illness, same as gender fluidity.

[fdpaq0580]

I am sympathetic to the struggle of gender identity in this culture. I don't understand it, but that doesn't mean I can't be sympathetic. I agree that the effects of male hormones beyond the onset of puberty give a male-to-female athlete an unfair advantage over non-transgender women. Life is full of tough choices and IMO, if a person makes a decision to go male-to-female transgender, that person should have to accept that competing against women in gender specific sports is just one of the things they'll have to give up.
Beyond that, I don't get the antipathy that is obvious in so many of these posts towards transgenders.

Give people a break. Live and let live. Don't go out of your way to make others' lives, lives you know nothing about, even more difficult.

Is that so hard to do?

It is normal to feel uncomfortable and distrustful of things that are different. I have worked along side gay, lesbian, and found them friendly and capable as anyone. Some, in the beginning, may seem standoffish or unsure until they know how you are doing to treat them. Normal behavior in a new environment. This is my experience so far.
Straight or gay, I don't care. "Transgender", I don't care. I guess my feeling is that you can say what you would like to be, act the way you want to, but, sometimes you can't actually be what you would like to be. Your DNA is the determining factor of your physical gender. You can't change that. Surgery, hormones and drugs won't change your gender. The best you can do is mimic the other gender. A supposedly "transgender woman" is a actually an altered man, and not actually, genetically a woman. Transgender in humans is a lie.

[MartinSE]

Methinks it's YOU who doesn't understand the tax policy...

When 50% of the population pay ZERO federal income taxes (and actually get "refunds" for paying nothing), yes, we have a problem.

If you were really aware of Sweden's tax rates, you would know that EVERYONE pays. They also have a 25% VAT that EVERYONE pays..


In Sweden, MOST (not all) people pay only local tax which ranges between 29.08 and 35.15 per cent depending on municipality, on their annual income. In addition earners above a certain income threshold set by the Tax Agency also pay 20 per cent state tax.

The Swedish tax system includes a so-called basic deduction, a sum that is exempt from the taxable income. The sum differs depending on whether a person is under or over 65, see link above.

So, if you make less than the basic deduction you pay no taxes, sort of like here.

And for the VAT, the standard VAT rate for goods and services in Sweden is 25 per cent, but there are reduced rates of 12 per cent for foodstuffs and 6 percent for books, newspapers, passenger transport within Sweden.

So, lets take the high road, and say citizens in Sweden pay 55% (35% local and 20% state). On top some pay as much as 25% VAT. Kind of a "sales" tax which is sort of like sales tax here. Which runs depending on state between 8% and 12%(?) not sure.

Now, Federal tax rate goes from 0% to 35%, state tax rates vary, CA is highest at 12%, then 9000 local jurisdictions have local income tax up to 3%. So, add those up and your get 50% income tax max for US Citizens. (Let's not quibble over the 40,000 pages of Federal tax code and all the possible infinite variety of marginal rates).

Two things pop out in Sweden you pay more VATG than we pay in sales tax. Agreed.

Second using the highest rates, in the US and Sweden, in Sweden you would pay 55% income tax, and in the US you pay 50%. For that 5% you get Universal healthcare - well, not just you EVERYONE. You (everyone) also gets unemployment compensation, which benefit consists of two parts: a basic unemployment insurance and a voluntary income related benefit. If you retire you are covered by their state run pension plan, which unlike private pension plans in the US which trend to go bankrupt leaving workers holding the bag.

Anyway it goes on and on. The bottom line, Sweden pays MORE taxes, but if you include Heath Insurance in the US, we actually pay a LOT more than they do. And it covers everyone, not like here with 30 million Americans uninsured for healthcare, and vastly more under insured because of massive deductibles and not covered issues. And let's not go into how much better their healthcare outcomes are.

I am not sure what you point of bring up Sweden, but they are far better off than US citizen both in what they pay, and what they get for what they pay.

At least that is my humble opinion.

[Laker14]

It is normal to feel uncomfortable and distrustful of things that are different. I have worked along side gay, lesbian, and found them friendly and capable as anyone. Some, in the beginning, may seem standoffish or unsure until they know how you are doing to treat them. Normal behavior in a new environment. This is my experience so far.
Straight or gay, I don't care. "Transgender", I don't care. I guess my feeling is that you can say what you would like to be, act the way you want to, but, sometimes you can't actually be what you would like to be. Your DNA is the determining factor of your physical gender. You can't change that. Surgery, hormones and drugs won't change your gender. The best you can do is mimic the other gender. A supposedly "transgender woman" is a actually an altered man, and not actually, genetically a woman. Transgender in humans is a lie.

Before we get shut down here, I'd like to say I pretty much agree with you. I might exchange your word "lie" with a softer word, but in essence I am in agreement. It's not attainable.

[Sabella]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

I’m with you. We all need to stop supporting these companies . Especially DISNEY.

[GOLFER54]

Years ago I bought my sneakers at Pay- Less for $8.99, no name on them and still have them.I will never buy a product from China, or other Big name brand companies, depending on if they differ from my morals or political views.

[PersonOfInterest]

So what do you do when you find out that Sally, that nice Lady across the pickleball net from you is really Salvatore.

[Serendipatti]

Awwww……bless your little heart.

[Stu from NYC]

So what do you do when you find out that Sally, that nice Lady across the pickleball net from you is really Salvatore.

Say hello and serve

[GizmoWhiskers]

I agree 100% Stu....., but we found out 2 weeks ago that some people can not determine or identify a "Woman" when asked to define a woman...

Keep in mind that the woke goal is to build utopia by exterminating existence as we know it to currently be, family units, marrage, parents etc. So step one... remove woman... "swoosh, slam dunk" win for the first games of woke home teams like nike, disney and all the future followers of the $$. Now the teams have their high Court referee in place. Olymics will be the gold winner's utopia! Play ball (or not oof).

[mkjelenbaas]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot
I wonder if your actions will hurt the company — or you! Just saying.

[JMintzer]

Michelle Wie tried...
:ohdear::ohdear:

Not a transgender, but yes she tried... And failed...

[B-flat]

What a Perfect Statement to make on the day Christians around the world celebrate the Resurrection of a Man who Accepted all those who were different, poor, old, sick, whores, uneducated, homeless, hungry etc……..

Hmmm, I don't remember anything about transgender half man half woman?

[JMintzer]

In Sweden, MOST (not all) people pay only local tax which ranges between 29.08 and 35.15 per cent depending on municipality, on their annual income. In addition earners above a certain income threshold set by the Tax Agency also pay 20 per cent state tax.

The Swedish tax system includes a so-called basic deduction, a sum that is exempt from the taxable income. The sum differs depending on whether a person is under or over 65, see link above.

So, if you make less than the basic deduction you pay no taxes, sort of like here.

And for the VAT, the standard VAT rate for goods and services in Sweden is 25 per cent, but there are reduced rates of 12 per cent for foodstuffs and 6 percent for books, newspapers, passenger transport within Sweden.

So, lets take the high road, and say citizens in Sweden pay 55% (35% local and 20% state). On top some pay as much as 25% VAT. Kind of a "sales" tax which is sort of like sales tax here. Which runs depending on state between 8% and 12%(?) not sure.

Now, Federal tax rate goes from 0% to 35%, state tax rates vary, CA is highest at 12%, then 9000 local jurisdictions have local income tax up to 3%. So, add those up and your get 50% income tax max for US Citizens. (Let's not quibble over the 40,000 pages of Federal tax code and all the possible infinite variety of marginal rates).

Two things pop out in Sweden you pay more VATG than we pay in sales tax. Agreed.

Second using the highest rates, in the US and Sweden, in Sweden you would pay 55% income tax, and in the US you pay 50%. For that 5% you get Universal healthcare - well, not just you EVERYONE. You (everyone) also gets unemployment compensation, which benefit consists of two parts: a basic unemployment insurance and a voluntary income related benefit. If you retire you are covered by their state run pension plan, which unlike private pension plans in the US which trend to go bankrupt leaving workers holding the bag.

Anyway it goes on and on. The bottom line, Sweden pays MORE taxes, but if you include Heath Insurance in the US, we actually pay a LOT more than they do. And it covers everyone, not like here with 30 million Americans uninsured for healthcare, and vastly more under insured because of massive deductibles and not covered issues. And let's not go into how much better their healthcare outcomes are.

I am not sure what you point of bring up Sweden, but they are far better off than US citizen both in what they pay, and what they get for what they pay.

At least that is my humble opinion.

My source says you would pay 57.5% as the highest rate in Sweden... Add in the VAT and you're well over 65%...

Oh, and check out how much they tax you to buy a car in Sweden. They increased the tax to "incentivize" people to buy EVs. It crashed the auto sales market...

[tsmall22204]

What a low life response. There is no room here for your politics.

[Keefelane66]

I’m with you. We all need to stop supporting these companies . Especially DISNEY.
I’ve never followed people in movements and not about to boycott Disney/Universal nbc
“ God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States of America.”

[midiwiz]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

not sure why it matters, but if it makes you feel important...... I'm sure Nike doesn't even know you left.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Your good with China’s morals? Asking for a friend.

[fdpaq0580]

What a low life response. There is no room here for your politics.

To whom are you responding?

[Stu from NYC]

not sure why it matters, but if it makes you feel important...... I'm sure Nike doesn't even know you left.

But I care as it is the right thing to do.

[Bogie Shooter]

What a low life response. There is no room here for your politics.

Which response? Are you aware of reply with a quote?

[Jeffery M]

Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

Throwing away perfectly good items that you bought doesn't accomplish anything. Refusing to purchase new items does. Wearing items that I bought from a company doesn't mean I support their ideals. But not buying new items is what will hurt them the most except selling their stock, if you happen to own some. At this point I don't think these woke corporations understand or care about how getting involved in political agendas that can affect sales. It is best for most businesses to remain neutral. I wouldn't go to Nike as a source of morality or politics.

[BlackhawksFan]

Bobby Riggs, in his prime, was a very good tennis player. I believe he was ranked number 1 in the world at one point and won several grand slam events. He played, and lost to, Billie Jean King when he was in his mid 50s and she was in her prime. If he was a transgender woman in his prime he would have dominated women's tennis. He was a showman who had a big mouth.

I haven't seen all the posts but I don't believe anyone has mentioned Renee Richards aka Richard Raskin a transgender women who played and coached professional tennis. She famously sued to play in U.S.Open.

[fdpaq0580]

So what do you do when you find out that Sally, that nice Lady across the pickleball net from you is really Salvatore.

If you are asking me, same as before, friendly and couteous while we are playing, cry like a baby when she (her preferred form of address) kicks my butt.

[OhioBuckeye]

Thank you, but don’t believe it!

[Zenmama18]

Not that it matters to the discussion, but in many cases, there is NO surgical alteration... Lia Thomas has not had any surgery...

Ranked 460 something as a male swimmer just over a year ago... Now ranked #1 as a woman... Sure...Let's go with that...

Hope all that support this have a daughter/granddaughter who loses out on a scholarship or place on the Olympic team because of this... (See how that works both ways?)

How about if your daughter/granddaughter loses out on a rowing scholarship to Laurie Laughlin's daughter? Or loses a gymnastics scholarship to the girlfriend of a football recruit? The point is that a talented athlete will have other choices for scholarships.

[OhioBuckeye]

Sorry to pop your bubble but Nike shoes are made in China, Indonesia & Vietnam. China is the leading Manufacturer. China manufactures 36% of the title world wide. The other 2 countries make for the rest of the world.

[macawlaw]

I have a daughter who had a D1 volleyball full ride. I wondered how this issue would/could potentially affect her. So, I went looking for statistics. I have found a lot of opinion, but very few facts.

Here are a few facts. Multiple sources agree that .6% to .7% of American adults identify as transgender. This is fewer than 2 million American adults. Not that many.

Another fact: only 7% of high school athletes play a varsity sport in college. Less than 2% will play at D1 schools. Scholarship Stats.com states that it's 55:1 for men and 57:1 for women who play D1 after high school.

Looking at the factual statistics, very few trans individuals would make it to the D1 level.

This is a small number, and the very elite numbers are even smaller.

Lia, the trans swimmer, started a fire storm. I also saw a story about Chelsea Mitchell, a Connecticut high school runner.

Having watched volleyball for years and observing the differences between men and women and how they play, I know the physical advantage that men who have gone through puberty have over women in the sport.

What I did not know was what happens when a man transitions. What do the drugs do to him? How many years does one have to be on them in order to compete as a woman? Who makes these decisions? I wanted specifics: What does lack of testosterone do as far as strength, jumping ability, times, etc.?

I don't know because I could not find the statistics. There is a severe lack of information on these issues. How do we know what is fair when there is nothing but feelings and emotions to make a decision?

Lia won the national title, but Katie Ledecky still holds the world record. Mitchell lost to two trans girls in 2021, but beat both of them in 2020. Do these facts make a difference?

Title IX did so much for women. The argument now is that transgender women will ruin it for women such as my daughter. Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. Until hard evidence is available, opinions will prevail.