Bill to abolish special districts??

[golfing eagles]

LOL, LOL. Stop putting out your "self" diagnosis, they may come for you.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Love it---you're not so bad after all

[MartinSE]

That info is on You Tube if you care to look it up. They do not deserve to remain tax free which is what they have enjoyed from the taxpayers when they were thought to be an entertainment company.
The elites of Disney were on digital media boasting about how they were going to increase their grooming of children to accept as normal, abnormal sexual activity.
The governor is doing his job and should be commended and supported for having the courage to go after this corporations attack against families and especially small children.

Walt Disney World paid $780.3 million in state and local taxes in 2021.
As for the grooming.
Maybe you should take all that evidence to your local Vice Squad.:icon_wink:

I seriously doubt you have seen anything that would rise to the level of "evidence".

I see you did not leave a link to that "evidence".

So, I choose to not believe you. Please change my mind, provide any evidence.

[jimjamuser]

Putting aside all the "opinions" being written on this site, people have forgotten the real reason Disney got this benefit .... it was an incentive to get them to build in Florida. To build in an area of Florida which was literally a sand box. Nobody wanted to move inland in those days, everyone was headed for the breaches.

Any smart attorney (and Disney probably has dozens of them on call) can site this clause and then call the case one of malice for going against the politics in Florida They can then suggest very loudly that if they are denied special privileges granted to them in the 1960s, what about the dozens of other developers who are benefiting from the same clause they were offered.

This is a no win any way you look at it and could end up being disastrous for Florida.
I agree with the content of this post. Kudos!

[golfing eagles]

I agree that after a person throws their credentials in your face for say about 4 times........that it begins to make a person want to puke!

Really???? And I've so much enjoyed verbally sparring with you over the years. But just because I'm far more qualified than you, no need to "puke", I can make allowances for you:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[MartinSE]

I agree that after a person throws their credentials in your face for say about 4 times........that it begins to make a person want to puke!

Well, darn, here I thought everyone was mad at me, but, I have never claimed to have a degree. Not once. I only post under this account. Darn. And while I have had "timeouts" (many have) I have never been banned.

All though that is an interesting challenge...get banned and get resurrected. Hmmm.

[Bill14564]

Maybe. But they are almost guaranteed to be among the overwhelming majority of parents who don't want sexual orientation taught in school to their 5 year old.
There's a big difference between objecting to or discriminating against a specific sexual orientation (or race, or religion) and objecting to that sexual orientation being taught to 5 year olds.

And there is a big difference between indoctrination or "sexual orientation taught in school to their 5 year old" and accepting that Johnny has two dad's and that's okay.

Notice that the LAW (as you put it) doesn't mention teaching at all. (wouldn't it be nice if people actually read what they are arguing about?) As pointed out, it also doesn't mention "gay" at all either. While many of those concerned parents are cheering now that their precious little darlings won't have to hear about "those people" they may not be so happy later if the language (or lack of) in their prized LAW is used against them.

We'll see what happens. If I was good at predicting the future my portfolio would include my recent lottery winnings.

[jimjamuser]

It's like there MUST be a new WEEKLY enemy to hate.......usually a minority, never a wasp. The dark web churns out new HATE on a regular basis - even baby-eating liberals. No problems are solved, like improved roads and bridges in the US. Just crazy emotions get stirred up. The idea is to make truth non-existent and increase opportunities for chaos.

[Two Bills]

Disney has revealed itself as groomers to small children. That info is on You Tube if you care to look it up. They do not deserve to remain tax free which is what they have enjoyed from the taxpayers when they were thought to be an entertainment company.
The elites of Disney were on digital media boasting about how they were going to increase their grooming of children to accept as normal, abnormal sexual activity.
The governor is doing his job and should be commended and supported for having the courage to go after this corporations attack against families and especially small children.:boom:

Walt Disney World paid $780.3 million in state and local taxes in 2021.
As for the grooming.
Maybe you should take all that evidence to your local Vice Squad.:icon_wink:

[jimjamuser]

For the love of god. Please put it in perspective and stop with the scare tactic. They are not teaching sex education in these lower grades, it is done with age appropriate language, answering their questions and validating that, yes. It's ok if little Johnny has 2 dad's as parents..he still has a loving household. He's not coming from a freak show...many people are different and that's ok. I really don't understand where all this fear comes from. There's really no problem in the school's its the imagination of the grandparents.
I do believe most educators,doctors whatever believe your sexual preference is something you are born with.
I agree with the 1st paragraph. As to the 2nd paragraph.......Likely sexual orientation is a learned situation. But, that takes us back to the NATURE or NURTURE question.

[Madelaine Amee]

Disney has revealed itself as groomers to small children. That info is on You Tube if you care to look it up. They do not deserve to remain tax free which is what they have enjoyed from the taxpayers when they were thought to be an entertainment company.
The elites of Disney were on digital media boasting about how they were going to increase their grooming of children to accept as normal, abnormal sexual activity.
The governor is doing his job and should be commended and supported for having the courage to go after this corporations attack against families and especially small children.:boom:

Where do you get the idea Disney does not pay taxes? If you are going to enter into this debate at least get your facts straight. This is what they paid in 2015, I imagine it is much higher now:

Disney is the largest taxpayer in Central Florida, paying approximately $566 million in state and local taxes each year and because they straddle the line in two different Florida counties (Orange and Osceola), both counties benefit from this money generating giant.

Walt Disney World Resort pays approximately $105 million annually in ad valorem taxes; an estimated $92.7 million is paid to Orange County and more than $10.9 million to Osceola County.

In Orange County, Disney pays more in taxes than the next 10 highest county taxpayers combined. Approximately $46 million of those funds go directly to education.

Disney generated approximately 33 percent of the Tourist Development Taxes collected in Orange County and approximately 24 percent of these taxes in Osceola County in 2013.

Disney paid or collected more than $495 million in state sales, use and communications taxes and local resort taxes for the surrounding communities in 2013.

In addition to the county taxes, Walt Disney World Resort paid more than $77.8 million in taxes to the Reedy Creek Improvement District in 2013. These tax dollars go toward building hundreds of millions of dollars worth of public infrastructure at no cost to taxpayers.

It might be interesting to know how much tax The Villages pays.

[Bill14564]

I've already stated twice that I disagree with killing the Reedy Creek special district---seems like overkill. But it is about shareholders and the fiduciary responsibility of the Disney board of directors, and the concept that Disney should not be making political statements in the first place. Also, don't forget that this is a government of the people, by the people and for the people-----and through their elected representatives the people of Florida have spoken. It's simply that certain groups don't like what they said. Who was it that famously quipped "elections have consequences"? Oh, yeah, can't mention it. But Disney's "freedom of speech" has consequences as well, just in this case I agree with you the retribution was too Draconian.

I strongly disagree that passing the recent bills had anything to do with representing the people of Florida. Not that there aren't many who agree with new laws, but they were written and passed for only one man in Florida, not the people of Florida. Can't argue that the government is "by" the people but "of" is questionable and "for" rarely enters the equation.

We do agree on the your last sentence.

[MartinSE]

I agree with the 1st paragraph. As to the 2nd paragraph.......Likely sexual orientation is a learned situation. But, that takes us back to the NATURE or NURTURE question.

I would say "possible" not "Likely", but that is just me.

And that is at least partly based on homosexuality is seen/documented throughout the animal kingdom. Since I personally believe in non-human rights, I guess that animals choosing to be gay could be possible.

And "deviant" behavior has been around for thousands of years, so chances are Liberals didn't invent it.

Nonhuman Rights Project (https://www.nonhumanrights.org)

[jimjamuser]

Let's notice what it does NOT say:
It doesn't say "..through the power of unparalleled, heavily filtered storytelling, reflecting white-owned brands and the creative conservative minds of only straight white men and women who identify as such, and will never allow their customers to see any other possible variety of human on their property or in their products, thus ensuring that those minority customers are always reminded that their demographic will never be represented, because it's shameful and should be hidden and eliminated from view."
Agreed. I feel that a lot of what this is all about is what I would call "fear of losing the POWER of white superiority". Leaders that can try to slow down the descent of white superiority can attract donations and POWER to themselves. Fear is used as an emotion and as a weapon to that end.

[Bill14564]

1/2 population….. :1rotfl:

Please look back at replies 106, 112, and 133; there is no need to repeat them here.

[jimjamuser]

Yea this is the problem, just because someone has a lot of pocket change they can’t run the country. I bet Walt Disney is trying to bust out of his coffin. Disneyland & their present CEO are way out of hand, they’re not little gods who can dictate or control the U.S. & people’s children! This is socialist or the way Communism control their people. I hope all parents stand up to Disney! God Bless America!
Or it could be the method that fascist cult members use to control the US. Think hard about this, PLEASE!

[Babubhat]

The only two words big business needs to say is No Comment

[jimjamuser]

Seriously??? No, not even you could be serious about that. It has nothing to do with minorities or demographics or Disney's attractions or products depicting all races or sexual orientations. It has to do with a publicly traded international company with a fiduciary obligation to its shareholders going out of its way to blabber on about a law that affects only teaching in grades K-3 in the state of Florida, which can only have a negative impact on its reputation as a family company and its bottom line.
One person's "blabber" is another person's social wisdom. Remember there are 2 sides to every coin!

[Madelaine Amee]

One more thing to think about:

Those pesky Disney attorneys are going to turn over Florida tax records and find out what all these big time developers are paying in taxes, that should be interesting :boom:

You poke a bear ..................... well you know the rest. But, you sure better know what you are doing.

[MartinSE]

Another interesting side of this discussion is that the law definitely targets a specific minority in our country, and yet, the founding fathers were very specific about protecting the minority from the majority. Agreed it is "backhanded" like so much today, where the language is vague enough to give them plausible deniability, and still specific enough to achieve the goals.

[jimjamuser]

It was a proposal when they made the statement.

The question of how it is a problem has been answered 20 times in this thread alone, and you still bloviate about other stuff, so excuse me if I see n o reason to explain it a 21st time, since you obviously are not interested.

And last, YOU do not get to DICTATE how companies operate. YOU can vote with your dollars and your speech.

Disney is and has been for a long time what is called a Socially Responsible Corporation. So, this comment baby them is completely in line with their publicly held position that corporations have a responsibility to the public to be responsible. If someone owns stock and disagrees with that position, they should not hold stock.

But, you repeated assertion that corporations should not do this is just flat WRONG and BS. And anybody can sue anybody in this country, it seems to be even a recreational pastime. But, any stock holders that want to sue, certainly can, but they will be hard pressed to win, since over 10 years ago, Disney publicly stated their position. Like suing a company for selling Adidas when they were known to sell them before you bought the stock.

The Walt Disney Company - A Leader In Corporate Social Responsibility | Business Chief North America (https://businesschief.com/leadership-and-strategy/walt-disney-company-leader-corporate-social-responsibility)
I agree with this post, Kudos!

[MartinSE]

The only two words big business needs to say is No Comment

So, they should be censored?

[jimjamuser]

I've already stated twice that I disagree with killing the Reedy Creek special district---seems like overkill. But it is about shareholders and the fiduciary responsibility of the Disney board of directors, and the concept that Disney should not be making political statements in the first place. Also, don't forget that this is a government of the people, by the people and for the people-----and through their elected representatives the people of Florida have spoken. It's simply that certain groups don't like what they said. Who was it that famously quipped "elections have consequences"? Oh, yeah, can't mention it. But Disney's "freedom of speech" has consequences as well, just in this case I agree with you the retribution was too Draconian.
I agree that it was too Draconian. But, much worse than that is that now many unintended consequences are rearing their ugly head. Floridians will be further split apart. And the monetary costs to the state could be very high. Certainly, what is left of Florida's reputation will be toast!

[MartinSE]

I agree that it was too Draconian. But, much worse than that is that now many unintended consequences are rearing their ugly head. Floridians will be further split apart. And the monetary costs to the state could be very high. Certainly, what is left of Florida's reputation will be toast!

Yup and I have to wonder about the intentions of a governor that does this when the state's leading revenue machine is tourism. International Tourism. 50 million tourists every year by just Disney.

7% of the population identify as LGBTQ. Whether or not they are doesn't really matter, they identify and will remember.

70% or higher of Americans support LGTBQ - many polls confirm, some higher, some lower. They will remember.

So, one has to ask oneself, is the Governor doing what is best for the State, or what is best for his primary challenge in the next Presidental election. And if this law gets overturned, will be can be assured he will use that as proof he was right.

[jimjamuser]

I see, so now we start with if they don't do EVERYTHING they can't do anything posts.

And las tI heard Freedom of Speech is one of those things we enjoy here in American, not so much in China. It may surprise you that Disney negotiated with China for a LONG time before building in China. But, fact it a company operating in a country is bound by that countries laws. Right or WRONG.

So, Disney here acts as a socially responsible corporation, and gets blasted by the right for exercising their rights. In China they are a law biding company and they get blasted for that.

Hate rules so many.
Hate needs a WEAK minority target. Some of our leaders appear to act like childhood BULLIES as they ham-handedly grasp for POWER.

[jimjamuser]

Disney has revealed itself as groomers to small children. That info is on You Tube if you care to look it up. They do not deserve to remain tax free which is what they have enjoyed from the taxpayers when they were thought to be an entertainment company.
The elites of Disney were on digital media boasting about how they were going to increase their grooming of children to accept as normal, abnormal sexual activity.
The governor is doing his job and should be commended and supported for having the courage to go after this corporations attack against families and especially small children.:boom:
I find nothing to agree with in that post. It seems to have crawled out of some dark corner of the media where conspiracy theories run wild'

[MartinSE]

I find nothing to agree with in that post. It seems to have crawled out of some dark corner of the media where conspiracy theories run wild'

You sir are a gentleman.

[jimjamuser]

Really???? And I've so much enjoyed verbally sparring with you over the years. But just because I'm far more qualified than you, no need to "puke", I can make allowances for you:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Thanks. That's nice of you to say. And verbal sparring can be interesting. (and educational) I am sure that we are all "Patriotic", at least within the bounds of what we consider important. I worry about the trends that have taken the US from its top country position after WW2 to its much lower position on world lists. We could argue about which of those trends caused that to happen. We would have different opinions. I have enjoyed the PROGRESS that the US has had since WW2. (science, medicine, and social) I worry about the US vanishing middle class that began about 1990.
........We could probably agree that a country without a strong middle class is a weak country. We would likely agree that a strong military Defense is needed. And that strong borders are needed by a country. We might agree that even golfers can be a little bit athletic and it beats playing horseshoes.......See..............a little bit of love
..........Some may NOT think like me that the world is at a Historically Important tipping point - and that war in Europe today and even the French election.....is or will reflect back upon the US. (even Florida)
..........You be you, it's ALL good!

[jimjamuser]

Wait until next Easter.

[MartinSE]

Wait until next Easter.

Is this a foretelling? It doesn't seem to have any context?

[jimjamuser]

Where do you get the idea Disney does not pay taxes? If you are going to enter into this debate at least get your facts straight. This is what they paid in 2015, I imagine it is much higher now:

Disney is the largest taxpayer in Central Florida, paying approximately $566 million in state and local taxes each year and because they straddle the line in two different Florida counties (Orange and Osceola), both counties benefit from this money generating giant.

Walt Disney World Resort pays approximately $105 million annually in ad valorem taxes; an estimated $92.7 million is paid to Orange County and more than $10.9 million to Osceola County.

In Orange County, Disney pays more in taxes than the next 10 highest county taxpayers combined. Approximately $46 million of those funds go directly to education.

Disney generated approximately 33 percent of the Tourist Development Taxes collected in Orange County and approximately 24 percent of these taxes in Osceola County in 2013.

Disney paid or collected more than $495 million in state sales, use and communications taxes and local resort taxes for the surrounding communities in 2013.

In addition to the county taxes, Walt Disney World Resort paid more than $77.8 million in taxes to the Reedy Creek Improvement District in 2013. These tax dollars go toward building hundreds of millions of dollars worth of public infrastructure at no cost to taxpayers.

It might be interesting to know how much tax The Villages pays.
Excellent post. Very informative. Kudos!

[MartinSE]

Where do you get the idea Disney does not pay taxes? If you are going to enter into this debate at least get your facts straight. This is what they paid in 2015, I imagine it is much higher now:

Disney is the largest taxpayer in Central Florida, paying approximately $566 million in state and local taxes each year and because they straddle the line in two different Florida counties (Orange and Osceola), both counties benefit from this money generating giant.

Walt Disney World Resort pays approximately $105 million annually in ad valorem taxes; an estimated $92.7 million is paid to Orange County and more than $10.9 million to Osceola County.

In Orange County, Disney pays more in taxes than the next 10 highest county taxpayers combined. Approximately $46 million of those funds go directly to education.

Disney generated approximately 33 percent of the Tourist Development Taxes collected in Orange County and approximately 24 percent of these taxes in Osceola County in 2013.

Disney paid or collected more than $495 million in state sales, use and communications taxes and local resort taxes for the surrounding communities in 2013.

In addition to the county taxes, Walt Disney World Resort paid more than $77.8 million in taxes to the Reedy Creek Improvement District in 2013. These tax dollars go toward building hundreds of millions of dollars worth of public infrastructure at no cost to taxpayers.

It might be interesting to know how much tax The Villages pays.

Very good post. But, I wonder what percentage of the Income Tax we don't pay, is paid by Disney... because, someone is paying it.

[jimjamuser]

One more thing to think about:

Those pesky Disney attorneys are going to turn over Florida tax records and find out what all these big time developers are paying in taxes, that should be interesting :boom:

You poke a bear ..................... well you know the rest. But, you sure better know what you are doing.
Agreed. and I AGAIN bring up, "What will the unintended consequences be"? And like Thor's Hammer ......who will get struck?

[golfing eagles]

Thanks. That's nice of you to say. And verbal sparring can be interesting. (and educational) I am sure that we are all "Patriotic", at least within the bounds of what we consider important. I worry about the trends that have taken the US from its top country position after WW2 to its much lower position on world lists. We could argue about which of those trends caused that to happen. We would have different opinions. I have enjoyed the PROGRESS that the US has had since WW2. (science, medicine, and social) I worry about the US vanishing middle class that began about 1990.
........We could probably agree that a country without a strong middle class is a weak country. We would likely agree that a strong military Defense is needed. And that strong borders are needed by a country. We might agree that even golfers can be a little bit athletic and it beats playing horseshoes.......See..............a little bit of love
..........Some may NOT think like me that the world is at a Historically Important tipping point - and that war in Europe today and even the French election.....is or will reflect back upon the US. (even Florida)
..........You be you, it's ALL good!

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

But this one is getting boring

Hopefully a new thread to spar over will come up :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Madelaine Amee]

Agreed. and I AGAIN bring up, "What will the unintended consequences be"? And like Thor's Hammer ......who will get struck?

Well it will not be our Governor, he'll be moving on to bigger and better things by then :icon_wink:

[jimjamuser]

Is this a foretelling? It doesn't seem to have any context?
Isn't Easter about a "resurrection"? .......Actually, I could use a resurrection, back to my young and wonderful days when I was age 25 and was super-smart, gifted, and knew everything about everything!..... those were the days my friend ....we'd fight and NEVER lose!

[golfing eagles]

Isn't Easter about a "resurrection"? .......Actually, I could use a resurrection, back to my young and wonderful days when I was age 25 and was super-smart, gifted, and knew everything about everything!..... those were the days my friend ....we'd fight and NEVER lose!

So when did that change to where you are now????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

But this one is getting boring

Hopefully a new thread to spar over will come up :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
It's round 5 ladies and gentlemen - and the boxers return to their corners!

[JMintzer]

So, you are okay with a teacher being sued by a parent for mentioning she was going bowling with her HUSBAND after class? Because that is exactly what people are afraid of if the same teacher said she was going bowling with HER WIFE.

People are afraid of The Boogey Man. Doesn't mean he exists...

Just like those lawsuits that will never happen...

[kkingston57]

Where do you get the idea Disney does not pay taxes? If you are going to enter into this debate at least get your facts straight. This is what they paid in 2015, I imagine it is much higher now:

Disney is the largest taxpayer in Central Florida, paying approximately $566 million in state and local taxes each year and because they straddle the line in two different Florida counties (Orange and Osceola), both counties benefit from this money generating giant.

Walt Disney World Resort pays approximately $105 million annually in ad valorem taxes; an estimated $92.7 million is paid to Orange County and more than $10.9 million to Osceola County.

In Orange County, Disney pays more in taxes than the next 10 highest county taxpayers combined. Approximately $46 million of those funds go directly to education.

Disney generated approximately 33 percent of the Tourist Development Taxes collected in Orange County and approximately 24 percent of these taxes in Osceola County in 2013.

Disney paid or collected more than $495 million in state sales, use and communications taxes and local resort taxes for the surrounding communities in 2013.

In addition to the county taxes, Walt Disney World Resort paid more than $77.8 million in taxes to the Reedy Creek Improvement District in 2013. These tax dollars go toward building hundreds of millions of dollars worth of public infrastructure at no cost to taxpayers.

It might be interesting to know how much tax The Villages pays.

You failed to mention all of the other taxes that Disney creates, but does not create directly. For example all of the taxes generated from all of the local hotels, restaurants, souvenier shops, etc.

[MartinSE]

People are afraid of The Boogey Man. Doesn't mean he exists...

Just like those lawsuits that will never happen...

You left off the rest of my post using an example of the laws (like this one) from Taxes where the woman ended up in jail because the local police didn't understand the law.

Crazy vaguely worded laws are a serious cause for concern since it is so easy to m isunderstand their innocent intent.

[JMintzer]

Has your 5 year old grandchild experienced that kind of teaching? Are there any examples of it happening? I have not read of any during the discussions of this law. Then the law was needed not to stop an actual practice but because of the concern/fear that it could happen. But if someone points out that the law allows a bad practice to occur the response is "get over it, a lot of things in this world are frightening."

The parents' "fear" of something being taught in school has been determined to have more value than others' "fear" of being targeted and discriminated against. Having no dog in the fight, I see this as just a bit hypocritical.

If the law prohibited the explanation of the mechanics of sexual practices I would be right there with you. But it doesn't do that, it prohibits the discussion of sexual orientation. Further, it empowers the parents to sue the teacher if the parents feel the discussion violated the new law. I still contend that this would allow a gay parent to sue over reading Bambi in school since the book mentions mother and father and therefore is obviously a discussion that includes sexual orientation. I think that's foolish and I doubt that was the intent of those who wrote the law, but that is one way the law could be interpreted.

You are free to "contend" that, but the law does not "state" that...

[JMintzer]

Those parents are bigots.

Brilliant logic... :ohdear:

[MartinSE]

You failed to mention all of the other taxes that Disney creates, but does not create directly. For example all of the taxes generated from all of the local hotels, restaurants, souvenier shops, etc.

That was mentioned earlier in the thread, but the other side chose to ignore them: Here is a summary:

"But the sheer number of jobs, and tax revenue connected to Disney World, casts a long shadow in the halls of state government. A 2019 study found Disney dominates the Central Florida tourism industry, according to Oxford Economics, and produced:

$75.2 billion annual economic impacts for Central Florida.
463,000 jobs.
$5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue. "

For the past two years, that has dropped significantly, can't imagine why. But, it is pretty well accepted that the drop is temporary.

[JMintzer]

Lol.....alittle homophobic????

Can't debate? Sling mud...

[JMintzer]

You really cannot possibly think a kindergarten child is in the least bit interested in sexual orientation. They are more interested in playing and seeing what the kid next door has in their lunch box.

I can tell you that at that age my children had no idea what the word SEX meant.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Play your golf and enjoy your old age, life will go on one way or the other whether you like it or not. All the laws in the land will make no difference.

So, if none of this ever happens in Pre-K-3, why is everyone so angry about the new law?

[MartinSE]

You are free to "contend" that, but the law does not "state" that...

So, regardless of the "intent" and the "likely outcome" what is important to you is the actual wording? If that is the case, you won't have a problem with people suing the Schools for teaching heterosexual relationships, you know books showing two males are banned, so banning books showing a man and woman is okay? The law is vague about what is banned.

[JMintzer]

Disney is and has been for a long time what is called a Socially Responsible Corporation.

Slave labor in China, that makes the stuff they sell at the park are waiting to speak to you... Line #2...

The Uyghurs, locked up in internment camps in China, that were seen in "Mulan", are on Line #3...

[JMintzer]

A law "to prohibit" something that only exists as a conspiracy theory in the minds of culture warriors is a law about a problem that does NOT exist. A law that is a solution to a "make-believe:" problem is a law ginned up to create culture-war controversy and make an impression and get US-wide publicity (under the theory that even BAD publicity is good publicity. V. Putin stated that truth is non-existent and possibilities are endless! maybe this is a case of endless possibilities in Florida.
........Disney simply said that this situation is bizzaro and simply wrongheaded. I come down on Disney's side on this important controversy and I imagine so do most right-thinking Americans.

Said the guy who constantly comes up with "make believe" scenarios... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

If only the church would stay separate from the state.

You really don't know what that means, do you?

[JMintzer]

Exactly. They invested huge amounts of money into land that was basically swamp and pasture and became the biggest employer in Florida. It was a prime example of public/private partnership. It would certainly give pause to other corporations thinking of coming to the state. Not to mention the tax consequences of this. Disney can hand off all the costs of road maintenance, waste disposal, fire protection, policing, etc. possibly repayment on bonds. And who would be paying those costs? Taxpayers of course. Another dumb move, right up there with banning 40% of math textbooks.

Then, they should lose their tax exemptions, right?

I find it ponderous that there are those defending Disney for continuing to avoid "paying their fair share" of taxes!

[Madelaine Amee]

So, if none of this ever happens in Pre-K-3, why is everyone so angry about the new law?

I would suggest it is something like "mob rule". Someone starts to rile people up, most of them have no idea of what the new rule means and off they go. History shows it is easy to rile up a mob who hear half a story and do not ever fully understand. Ignorance is bliss and, unfortunately, there is a lot of ignorance in this world.

[JMintzer]

I seriously doubt you have seen anything that would rise to the level of "evidence".

I see you did not leave a link to that "evidence".

So, I choose to not believe you. Please change my mind, provide any evidence.

There are a multitude of videos, posted by the pre-school, and K-3 teachers themselves.

I'd post them here, but I'm sure they would result in a vacation, if not a permanent ban...

Go to twitter. Look up "Libs of Tick Tock". They have posted many of those videos...

[JMintzer]

Agreed. I feel that a lot of what this is all about is what I would call "fear of losing the POWER of white superiority". Leaders that can try to slow down the descent of white superiority can attract donations and POWER to themselves. Fear is used as an emotion and as a weapon to that end.

So nice of you to place blame and instill fear... Just a few posts after you chastised others for placing blame and instilling fear...

"It's like there MUST be a new WEEKLY enemy to hate.......usually a minority, never a wasp. The dark web churns out new HATE on a regular basis - even baby-eating liberals. No problems are solved, like improved roads and bridges in the US. Just crazy emotions get stirred up. The idea is to make truth non-existent and increase opportunities for chaos.

[JMintzer]

Agreed. I feel that a lot of what this is all about is what I would call "fear of losing the POWER of white superiority". Leaders that can try to slow down the descent of white superiority can attract donations and POWER to themselves. Fear is used as an emotion and as a weapon to that end.

So nice of you to place blame and instill fear... Just a few posts after you chastised others for placing blame and instilling fear...

"It's like there MUST be a new WEEKLY enemy to hate.......usually a minority, never a wasp. The dark web churns out new HATE on a regular basis - even baby-eating liberals. No problems are solved, like improved roads and bridges in the US. Just crazy emotions get stirred up. The idea is to make truth non-existent and increase opportunities for chaos."

[JMintzer]

Or it could be the method that fascist cult members use to control the US. Think hard about this, PLEASE!

Instilling more "FEAR", I see...

[JMintzer]

One more thing to think about:

Those pesky Disney attorneys are going to turn over Florida tax records and find out what all these big time developers are paying in taxes, that should be interesting :boom:

You poke a bear ..................... well you know the rest. But, you sure better know what you are doing.

Which has nothing to do with their case, so there's that... :boom:

[JMintzer]

Another interesting side of this discussion is that the law definitely targets a specific minority in our country, and yet, the founding fathers were very specific about protecting the minority from the majority. Agreed it is "backhanded" like so much today, where the language is vague enough to give them plausible deniability, and still specific enough to achieve the goals.

The law "targets" no one... That is, unless you believe that a "specific minority" is doing what you claim they are not doing...

[JMintzer]

So, they should be censored?

Since when does the word "need" mean censorship of any kind...

[JMintzer]

Yup and I have to wonder about the intentions of a governor that does this when the state's leading revenue machine is tourism. International Tourism. 50 million tourists every year by just Disney.

7% of the population identify as LGBTQ. Whether or not they are doesn't really matter, they identify and will remember.

70% or higher of Americans support LGTBQ - many polls confirm, some higher, some lower. They will remember.

So, one has to ask oneself, is the Governor doing what is best for the State, or what is best for his primary challenge in the next Presidental election. And if this law gets overturned, will be can be assured he will use that as proof he was right.

The law never mentions, nor implies LGBTQ. That's all on you...

[JMintzer]

Very good post. But, I wonder what percentage of the Income Tax we don't pay, is paid by Disney... because, someone is paying it.

And how much more would Disney be paying if they didn't still have the sweetheart tax breaks?

I'm SHOCKED that you're not demanding that they "pay their fair share"...:shocked:

[JMintzer]

So when did that change to where you are now????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/10JhviFuU2gWD6/giphy.gif

[Madelaine Amee]

And how much more would Disney be paying if they didn't still have the sweetheart tax breaks?

I'm SHOCKED that you're not demanding that they "pay their fair share"...:shocked:

Since when did the wealthy in this WORLD ever pay their fair share? The shrinking middle class keeps this country running.

[JMintzer]

You left off the rest of my post using an example of the laws (like this one) from Taxes where the woman ended up in jail because the local police didn't understand the law.

Crazy vaguely worded laws are a serious cause for concern since it is so easy to m isunderstand their innocent intent.

Methinks "lawsuits", which are handled by judges, who have a tad bit more knowledge of the law, would alleviate your proposed scenario...

[JMintzer]

So, regardless of the "intent" and the "likely outcome" what is important to you is the actual wording? If that is the case, you won't have a problem with people suing the Schools for teaching heterosexual relationships, you know books showing two males are banned, so banning books showing a man and woman is okay? The law is vague about what is banned.

You are conflating "teaching reading" vs teaching about heterosexual/homosexual relationships.

There is nothing in the law that prohibits mentioning homosexual relationships...

I suggest you read it...

[JMintzer]

I would suggest it is something like "mob rule". Someone starts to rile people up, most of them have no idea of what the new rule means and off they go. History shows it is easy to rile up a mob who hear half a story and do not ever fully understand. Ignorance is bliss and, unfortunately, there is a lot of ignorance in this world.

Now, you're just fantasizing...

Or, could it be that YOU'VE only heard half the story and don't fully understand the law, and now YOU'RE all riled up (along with your "Don't Say Gay" mob)... You know, Ignorance, and all...

[JMintzer]

Since when did the wealthy in this WORLD ever pay their fair share? The shrinking middle class keeps this country running.

Oh, so NOW, it's okay? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[RVJim]

Slave labor in China, that makes the stuff they sell at the park are waiting to speak to you... Line #2...

The Uyghurs, locked up in internment camps in China, that were seen in "Mulan", are on Line #3...

Is there a reason you can’t consolidate all of your reply’s into one post instead of making an individual post for each person/post that you reply to? If you did that, the number of posts in this and other threads would easily be reduced by 50% or more.

Thank you in advance for your kind consideration.

[inda50]

When I go to Disney it is a showcase, the roads, buildings and just about everything else is top notch. I compare this with just about everything else I see that local governments accomplish and there is no comparison, Disney does it better on all counts. The little kingdom runs well, no governing entity in Fl. does as well. Maybe that is why Tallahassee really wants to get in on some of the action. It's all about control and $$$$$. Don't get me started on interstate route 4.

[MartinSE]

And how much more would Disney be paying if they didn't still have the sweetheart tax breaks?

I'm SHOCKED that you're not demanding that they "pay their fair share"...:shocked:

I am sorry to disappoint you.

[MartinSE]

Methinks "lawsuits", which are handled by judges, who have a tad bit more knowledge of the law, would alleviate your proposed scenario...

Ah, like the judge that recently reverse the feds mask mandate that was said to be NOT QUALIFIED by the ABA. Yeah, those judges. Wonder where she came from. She is obviously the best of the best.

[JMintzer]

Is there a reason you can’t consolidate all of your reply’s into one post instead of making an individual post for each person/post that you reply to? If you did that, the number of posts in this and other threads would easily be reduced by 50% or more.

Thank you in advance for your kind consideration.

Because someone would probably bitch about that, as well...

[JMintzer]

I am sorry to disappoint you.

Just don't let it happen again, Young Man! :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

Ah, like the judge that recently reverse the feds mask mandate that was said to be NOT QUALIFIED by the ABA. Yeah, those judges. Wonder where she came from. She is obviously the best of the best.

Yes, the ABA, which has ZERO political bias...

[Madelaine Amee]

Oh, so NOW, it's okay? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

It's never OK, but that is the way it is. If I could change things I would, but life is short and way too short to change things now.

[JMintzer]

It's never OK, but that is the way it is. If I could change things I would, but life is short and way too short to change things now.

Then, I guess the whole "the rich must pay their fair share" is pointless? :coolsmiley:

Now, I just gotta' get rich and I'm set!

[Peachbelle]

From what I read, HB3c does affect some parts of The Villages. Read about the other sp2cial districts beside Reddy.

[Altavia]

Have not read the entire thread...

Why not add a tax on Disney to cover their infrastructure cost savings on services transfered to the counties. They will primarily continue to be for Disney's benefit.

Seems there are multiple options to do so.

[MartinSE]

Yes, the ABA, which has ZERO political bias...

Is there anything in life that is not political? Well, maybe butterfly photo's, but I have faith someone here could find something about them that is political

[jimjamuser]

You really don't know what that means, do you?
I stand by my comment. if someone wants to criticize my comment they need to have something more meaningful than just a "short word salad" and then boring laughing memes. Try harder and be more thoughtful, thank you!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I would suggest it is something like "mob rule". Someone starts to rile people up, most of them have no idea of what the new rule means and off they go. History shows it is easy to rile up a mob who hear half a story and do not ever fully understand. Ignorance is bliss and, unfortunately, there is a lot of ignorance in this world.

That's basically why there's even this new rule in the first place. It exists to rile people up and create mobs against teachers, against public education, against the LGBTQ+ demographic, against anything that doesn't fit a certain political agenda. That way, when anyone says "but that's unfair" the mob can be a mob, and bully anyone who disagrees into complacency. Eventually, people stop fighting, and we end up with restrictions and reduced freedom for all - except the few who make the rules.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The only two words big business needs to say is No Comment

Sort of like how Hobby Lobby says no comment about Christianity, and Chik-fil-A says no comment about homosexuality? That kind of no comment from big business?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Have not read the entire thread...

Why not add a tax on Disney to cover their infrastructure cost savings on services transfered to the counties. They will primarily continue to be for Disney's benefit.

Seems there are multiple options to do so.

There is no infrastructure cost savings to them. They pay 100% of the infrastructure costs, the residents of that district pay NOTHING. That is part of the deal they get. In exchanged for tax reductions, they pay for the roads, water and fire services, and various other expenses to the entire district - which includes private residences and businesses that are not owned by Disney.

[jimjamuser]

There are a multitude of videos, posted by the pre-school, and K-3 teachers themselves.

I'd post them here, but I'm sure they would result in a vacation, if not a permanent ban...

Go to twitter. Look up "Libs of Tick Tock". They have posted many of those videos...
Those videos were handpicked to be shown on The Tucker Carlson Show and probably represent about 0.1% of all classroom teachers. They were just outliers that do NOT represent most teachers. And anyway, what is the point of demagoguing teachers? To make them into the NEWEST most HATED group?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Those videos were handpicked to be shown on The Tucker Carlson Show and probably represent about 0.1% of all classroom teachers. They were just outliers that do NOT represent most teachers. And anyway, what is the point of demagoguing teachers? To make them into the NEWEST most HATED group?

The ones I saw were discovered to be hoaxes. People who posted videos on TikTok claiming to be teachers, who weren't teachers at all, pretending that they were proud to be indoctrinating children to do this or that or the other thing.

[Caymus]

There is no infrastructure cost savings to them. They pay 100% of the infrastructure costs, the residents of that district pay NOTHING. That is part of the deal they get. In exchanged for tax reductions, they pay for the roads, water and fire services, and various other expenses to the entire district - which includes private residences and businesses that are not owned by Disney.

Are residential real estate taxes in Orange County the lowest in the Florida?

[MartinSE]

Sort of like how Hobby Lobby says no comment about Christianity, and Chik-fil-A says no comment about homosexuality? That kind of no comment from big business?

He shoots he scores - the crowd goes crazy!

Sorry, got carried away. I tried to remember some business that publicly made a statement on a issue like this and none came to mind, you are so right. And now we wait for the next deflection, or for the "business should focus on making money and shut up crowd".

Obviously ChickFilet is not a business.

Thank you.

[jimjamuser]

So nice of you to place blame and instill fear... Just a few posts after you chastised others for placing blame and instilling fear...

"It's like there MUST be a new WEEKLY enemy to hate.......usually a minority, never a wasp. The dark web churns out new HATE on a regular basis - even baby-eating liberals. No problems are solved, like improved roads and bridges in the US. Just crazy emotions get stirred up. The idea is to make truth non-existent and increase opportunities for chaos.
I myself am NOT instilling fear, But rather, I am placing blame at the feet of those who do. I am trying to explain how and why they do it. And how they're playing on the emotion of fear to spread hate for minorities and weaker groups. The majority WHIITE ethnic and largely male group is worried about gradually losing their POWER. They demagogue small groups and jump from group to group. Today it is the non-existent group of TEACHERS engaged in "GROOMING" children. It is a made up issue from dark conspiracy theories. They might as well pass a law outlawing UNICORNS!

[jimjamuser]

Instilling more "FEAR", I see...
I am so terrible for asking people to think. And also everyone should ask, "Why propose a law as a solution for a problem that does not exist." It is going to COST the people of Florida a lot of money to go around chasing imaginary unicorns and the reality of jousting with the Magic Kingdom. Good luck with that making someone more popular and having more POWER.

[jimjamuser]

Since when did the wealthy in this WORLD ever pay their fair share? The shrinking middle class keeps this country running.
The middle class IS definitely shrinking!

[jimjamuser]

That's basically why there's even this new rule in the first place. It exists to rile people up and create mobs against teachers, against public education, against the LGBTQ+ demographic, against anything that doesn't fit a certain political agenda. That way, when anyone says "but that's unfair" the mob can be a mob, and bully anyone who disagrees into complacency. Eventually, people stop fighting, and we end up with restrictions and reduced freedom for all - except the few who make the rules.
Imagine how TWISTED it is that teachers and public educators are being turned into the enemy, the other, the non-human. That is so TRISTED that it is 180 degrees turned around from basic REALITY. The concept of chaos and "there is no truth" has been weaponized against patriotic, hard-working US citizens. Greed and power are a nasty combination!

[jimjamuser]

The ones I saw were discovered to be hoaxes. People who posted videos on TikTok claiming to be teachers, who weren't teachers at all, pretending that they were proud to be indoctrinating children to do this or that or the other thing.
Yes, I could believe that. V.Putin says truth is non-existent and his opportunities are numerous.

[MartinSE]

The concept of chaos and "there is no truth" has been weaponized against patriotic, hard-working US citizens. Greed and power are a nasty combination!

I think this statement pretty much covers a lot of what has been happening in America. It do seem almost everyday another person tries to see just how far they can push that mythical boogieman.

I remember someone screaming in desperation, "1984 was not supposed to be a training manual!"

[DylanTodd]

oops

[MartinSE]

Yes, I could believe that. V.Putin says truth is non-existent and his opportunities are numerous.

Look around at all the crazy stuff going on, and ask yourself who profits by all this Americas hating Americans?

Maybe Putin?

[JMintzer]

Is there anything in life that is not political? Well, maybe butterfly photo's, but I have faith someone here could find something about them that is political

Yes, but the they stopped using the ABA to recommend judges for some time, until a certain POTUS decided to resurrect the practice...

[JMintzer]

I stand by my comment. if someone wants to criticize my comment they need to have something more meaningful than just a "short word salad" and then boring laughing memes. Try harder and be more thoughtful, thank you!

"Word Salad"... Bwahahahahah...

Pot, Meet Kettle...

[JMintzer]

Those videos were handpicked to be shown on The Tucker Carlson Show and probably represent about 0.1% of all classroom teachers. They were just outliers that do NOT represent most teachers. And anyway, what is the point of demagoguing teachers? To make them into the NEWEST most HATED group?

You know this how?

And btw, I didn't see it on Tucker Carlson... I saw it on twitter...

But sure, make up percentages like you do 96.3% of the time...

And why was it shown? Because parents are finally seeing what is going on in their kid's schools. Those two years of Zoom schooling were a real eye-opener...

[JMintzer]

That's basically why there's even this new rule in the first place. It exists to rile people up and create mobs against teachers, against public education, against the LGBTQ+ demographic, against anything that doesn't fit a certain political agenda. That way, when anyone says "but that's unfair" the mob can be a mob, and bully anyone who disagrees into complacency. Eventually, people stop fighting, and we end up with restrictions and reduced freedom for all - except the few who make the rules.

Great rant. Any proof of your accusations? Or is it just your imagination?

[JMintzer]

Sort of like how Hobby Lobby says no comment about Christianity, and Chik-fil-A says no comment about homosexuality? That kind of no comment from big business?

And look what the Left did to them... You'd think Disney would learn from their mistakes...

Oh, and btw, while John Cathy (of Chick fil a) may state that his religious convictions prohibit homosexuality, his business operations do not, in any way, discriminate against LGBT employees...

[JMintzer]

The ones I saw were discovered to be hoaxes. People who posted videos on TikTok claiming to be teachers, who weren't teachers at all, pretending that they were proud to be indoctrinating children to do this or that or the other thing.

Please cite proof of that. Not that I don't believe you, but I don't believe you...

[JMintzer]

I myself am NOT instilling fear, But rather, I am placing blame at the feet of those who do. I am trying to explain how and why they do it. And how they're playing on the emotion of fear to spread hate for minorities and weaker groups. The majority WHIITE ethnic and largely male group is worried about gradually losing their POWER. They demagogue small groups and jump from group to group. Today it is the non-existent group of TEACHERS engaged in "GROOMING" children. It is a made up issue from dark conspiracy theories. They might as well pass a law outlawing UNICORNS!

No, the post above is not instilling fear. Nope, not at all... Not one bit...

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

[JMintzer]

I am so terrible for asking people to think. And also everyone should ask, "Why propose a law as a solution for a problem that does not exist." It is going to COST the people of Florida a lot of money to go around chasing imaginary unicorns and the reality of jousting with the Magic Kingdom. Good luck with that making someone more popular and having more POWER.

YOU say it doesn't exist. Millions of parents, who finally got a glimpse of what was going on in their kid's classrooms, feel otherwise...

The new law has a 70% approval rate in FL... Over 60% nationwide...

"“When Americans are presented with the actual language of the new Florida law, it wins support by more than a two-to-one margin.” That’s from a new poll by Public Opinion Strategies. Overall, 61% of people said they supported the “don’t say gay” law, with 26% opposed.

Even more notable is the breadth of that sentiment. Democratic voters in the poll support the law 55% to 29%. Among suburban voters, which could be a decisive group for the midterm elections, it’s 60% to 30%. Parents: 67% to 24%. Biden voters: 53% to 30%. Respondents who “know someone LGBTQ”: 61% to 28%. Those figures might come as a shock to Florida’s progressive activists, including those who happen to work at Walt Disney."

‘Don’t Say Gay’ Is Popular? You Don’t Say - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/dont-say-gay-is-popular-you-dont-say-ron-desantis-florida-law-elementary-school-11648849131)

[JMintzer]

Imagine how TWISTED it is that teachers and public educators are being turned into the enemy, the other, the non-human. That is so TRISTED that it is 180 degrees turned around from basic REALITY. The concept of chaos and "there is no truth" has been weaponized against patriotic, hard-working US citizens. Greed and power are a nasty combination!

You must have missed the criticisms of college professors that's been going on for DECADES... Yes GREED and POWER at the University level need to be stopped!

Good thing that no other groups of "patriotic, hard working US citizens" haven't been demonized... You know... Like Cops...

[Bilyclub]

When 4 posters have over 50% of the posts in a thread it should be put to sleep.
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahbla hblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[dewilson58]

When 4 posters have over 50% of the posts in a thread it should be put to sleep.
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahbla hblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

Give them a private chat room.

[MDLNB]

They could close the park.:ohdear:


Oh well, as someone famous once said "S*** happens and then you die."

Why should Disney get special treatment? Just asking, not that I really care. I am sure it is a great tax revenue for Florida, but I bet it would be more so without special treatment. If I am wrong, I am sure someone will jump in and correct me.

[golfing eagles]

When 4 posters have over 50% of the posts in a thread it should be put to sleep.
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahbla hblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

darn----I hate coming in fourth:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[njbchbum]

Part of the deal for all those concessions was that Disney would pay for the infrastructure, police and fire department services in the district. They won't have to fund that anymore. The district is not exclusively Disney. It also includes homeowners and small businesses, supermarkets, the roads leading to and from Disney and all those homes and businesses and supermarkets, etc. etc. etc. Disney was paying 100% of those costs. They won't be responsible for that after this.

So for all of those years the non-Disney residents have gotten those services for free?

"The new legislation said that landowners within the Reedy Creek Improvement District, primarily Walt Disney World, would be solely responsible for paying the cost of providing typical municipal services like power, water, roads, fire protection etc.

"Local taxpayers, meaning residents of Orange and Osceola County, would not have to pay for building or maintaining those services.".
About (https://www.rcid.org/about/)

[Taurus510]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.
Not because they stated their opinion. Because they stated that they were going to fight the state officials who were elected to enact laws like the one Disney started railing against. If the state of Florida has basically carved out a tax break for you, you really shouldn’t start trying to fight the state on its properly passed laws. At least I wouldn’t.

[njbchbum]

All about the Reedy Creek Improvement District:

About (https://www.rcid.org/about/) and About (https://www.rcid.org/about/) and https://www.rcid.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/RCID-Charter.pdf and https://www.rcid.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/RCID2020.pdf

[jdulej]

So for all of those years the non-Disney residents have gotten those services for free?

"The new legislation said that landowners within the Reedy Creek Improvement District, primarily Walt Disney World, would be solely responsible for paying the cost of providing typical municipal services like power, water, roads, fire protection etc.

"Local taxpayers, meaning residents of Orange and Osceola County, would not have to pay for building or maintaining those services.".
About (https://www.rcid.org/about/)

Not free - they had to listen to Its a Small Small World 16 hrs a day

[Toddy]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?
We are a special district also which apparently gives us a tax break. It will be taken away if we disagree with current government.

[photo1902]

Give them a private chat room.

No need to. TOTV has basically become their own ego-alley

[kkingston57]

Sure, had a few profs like that - we just laughed at them behind their backs. We certainly were not "indoctrinated" other than learning that the tenure process had good and bad sides. Unfortunately, those classes usually ended up a waste of time.

I went to a Catholic high school in the 70' s and the teacher had a stack of National Geograhic magazines(most of them showed naked people in 3nd world countries) and we were told to read them in our religion class. There is an un called for teaching on both sides.

[rustyp]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

We are a special district also which apparently gives us a tax break. It will be taken away if we disagree with current government.



Well looky there only 300+ posts to steer this back to the original question ! Yes it was about special districts and if there could be an impact to TV. It was not about the new don't say --- (not allowed to say it) bill.

[Toddy]

I ate there once, you can have it

Their top restaurants are really good but very pricey. It was worth every bite.

[Taurus510]

We are a special district also which apparently gives us a tax break. It will be taken away if we disagree with current government.
Let’s properly explain this.
“ At the bill signing ceremony, DeSantis said Disney lied about the content of the state’s new “Parental Rights in Education” law, and he viewed the company’s vow to fight it as unacceptable.

“You’re a corporation based in Burbank, California, and you’re gonna marshal your economic might to attack the parents of my state. We view that as a provocation, and we’re going to fight back against that,” DeSantis said.”

[Spalumbos62]

Ah, like the judge that recently reverse the feds mask mandate that was said to be NOT QUALIFIED by the ABA. Yeah, those judges. Wonder where she came from. She is obviously the best of the best.

Yea.....who appointed her....that big one eith the orange hair.

[Spalumbos62]

Is there a reason you can’t consolidate all of your reply’s into one post instead of making an individual post for each person/post that you reply to? If you did that, the number of posts in this and other threads would easily be reduced by 50% or more.

Thank you in advance for your kind consideration.

Exactly!!! God, so selfish to take up a whole page. Is there a way to block certain people from popping up on our own screen...or even a button- like a thumbs down.

[rustyp]

Exactly!!! God, so selfish to take up a whole page. Is there a way to block certain people from popping up on our own screen...or even a button- like a thumbs down.


Under user settings you go to “edit ignore list”. About 3/4 down the page. Add in the user name. It normally pops up after you enter the first few characters.

[Spalumbos62]

You know this how?

And btw, I didn't see it on Tucker Carlson... I saw it on twitter...

But sure, make up percentages like you do 96.3% of the time...

And why was it shown? Because parents are finally seeing what is going on in their kid's schools. Those two years of Zoom schooling were a real eye-opener...

Wow....Twitter...yeah that's reliable...🤪

Please stop with the lies and all the bs...it's exhausting

[DaveZ]

Easy to see how divided we are even here at life’s last stop. Where’s the joy, respect, and trust? This thread, wow. The distance from echo chambers to reality is enormous. Read the bill. Refresh your knowledge of the Constitution (hint, no corporation bill of rights) and civilized discourse. Calling your neighbors racist because you’ve chosen to be ignorant of the subject or because your studied of it but unable to practically disagree with them makes a reader wonder if you hate them as much as yourself or more. Surely you know that such an accusation is a awful thing not to be taken lightly, is something you can’t possibly know, and tells everyone to ignore and avoid you. In the unlikely case you could successfully change a thoughtful mind with thoughtlessness, you could be inadvertently inviting others to use the accusation on you.

[Bogie Shooter]

We are a special district also which apparently gives us a tax break. It will be taken away if we disagree with current government.

What tax break?

[Bogie Shooter]

Well looky there only 300+ posts to steer this back to the original question ! Yes it was about special districts and if there could be an impact to TV. It was not about the new don't say --- (not allowed to say it) bill.

Gay.

[MartinSE]

We are a special district also which apparently gives us a tax break. It will be taken away if we disagree with current government.

You can disagree all you want to, you just can't say it publicly.

[MartinSE]

Yea.....who appointed her....that big one eith the orange hair.

Careful a similar post got me a brownie point.

[Two Bills]

........and to think I got a slap for saying 'get real' to a poster.
Personal abuse it was said!!:ohdear:

[Taurus510]

You can disagree all you want to, you just can't say it publicly.
Again, let’s not misrepresent what was done.

“ At the bill signing ceremony, DeSantis said Disney lied about the content of the state’s new “Parental Rights in Education” law, and he viewed the company’s vow to fight it as unacceptable.

“You’re a corporation based in Burbank, California, and you’re gonna marshal your economic might to attack the parents of my state. We view that as a provocation, and we’re going to fight back against that,” DeSantis said.”

[jdulej]

Again, let’s not misrepresent what was done.

“ At the bill signing ceremony, DeSantis said Disney lied about the content of the state’s new “Parental Rights in Education” law, and he viewed the company’s vow to fight it as unacceptable.

“You’re a corporation based in Burbank, California, and you’re gonna marshal your economic might to attack the parents of my state. We view that as a provocation, and we’re going to fight back against that,” DeSantis said.”

As often happens when things are rammed through the legislation without proper analysis, I am now reading that there is some doubt that this action will hurt Disney and may even benefit them

[Taurus510]

As often happens when things are rammed through the legislation without proper analysis, I am now reading that there is some doubt that this action will hurt Disney and may even benefit them
Be that as it may, this was not done for punishment. Disney chose to fight, DeSantis has the courage to fight back. No one in this state voted for Disney to have a say in our politics. They chose to attack the state of Florida, as Rambo said, “they drew first blood”.

[Bill14564]

Be that as it may, this was not done for punishment. Disney chose to fight, DeSantis has the courage to fight back. No one in this state voted for Disney to have a say in our politics. They chose to attack the state of Florida, as Rambo said, “they drew first blood”.

I think you mistyped that. Either that or you contradict yourself in your next sentences.

[Bogie Shooter]

Be that as it may, this was not done for punishment. Disney chose to fight, DeSantis has the courage to fight back. No one in this state voted for Disney to have a say in our politics. They chose to attack the state of Florida, as Rambo said, “they drew first blood”.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jdulej]

Be that as it may, this was not done for punishment. Disney chose to fight, DeSantis has the courage to fight back. No one in this state voted for Disney to have a say in our politics. They chose to attack the state of Florida, as Rambo said, “they drew first blood”.

So if this action actually ends up helping Disney, was Desantis supporting what Disney did or did he just screw up?

[MartinSE]

So if this action actually ends up helping Disney, was Desantis supporting what Disney did or did he just screw up?

So, that makes sense, Disney publicly opposed a bill the governor proposed, so the governor pass a law that helps Disney.

Hmmm. yeah, makes complete sense to me.

[jdulej]

So, that makes sense, Disney publicly opposed a bill the governor proposed, so the governor pass a law that helps Disney.

Hmmm. yeah, makes complete sense to me.

I'm saying that maybe (just maybe) this all happened so quickly and with next to no due diligence that the Fl gov thought they were punishing Disney by removing what looks like a big perk. But maybe it really isn't such a great perk anymore. Things change (a lot) in 50 years. So Disney is quiet because they are trying to figure out why what just happened is bad for them.

[Bogie Shooter]

So if this action actually ends up helping Disney, was Desantis supporting what Disney did or did he just screw up?

Haven’t you been told, he never screws up.

[JMintzer]

When 4 posters have over 50% of the posts in a thread it should be put to sleep.
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahbla hblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

And your post added so much the the actual topic... :ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

And I hadn't posted since last night until you had to make your snarky comment...

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[JMintzer]

darn----I hate coming in fourth:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Slacker...:1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Not free - they had to listen to Its a Small Small World 16 hrs a day

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[JMintzer]

We are a special district also which apparently gives us a tax break. It will be taken away if we disagree with current government.

Who is "we"?

[JMintzer]

No need to. TOTV has basically become their own ego-alley

Awww, is someone having a bad day?

[JMintzer]

Yea.....who appointed her....that big one eith the orange hair.

You just can't help yourself...

[JMintzer]

Exactly!!! God, so selfish to take up a whole page. Is there a way to block certain people from popping up on our own screen...or even a button- like a thumbs down.

Yup. Learn how to use the forum.

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[JMintzer]

Wow....Twitter...yeah that's reliable...🤪

Please stop with the lies and all the bs...it's exhausting

Prove me wrong...

[JMintzer]

You can disagree all you want to, you just can't say it publicly.

Sure you can... People complain here daily...

[JMintzer]

As often happens when things are rammed through the legislation without proper analysis, I am now reading that there is some doubt that this action will hurt Disney and may even benefit them

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[JMintzer]

I think you mistyped that. Either that or you contradict yourself in your next sentences.

Fighting back ≠ Punishment

[Madelaine Amee]

Oh, what a relief, I found the IGNORE button.

[JMintzer]

Oh, what a relief, I found the IGNORE button.

Oh, thank god!

But wait, I'm still seeing YOUR posts!

I might have to remedy that situation...

[Taurus510]

I think you mistyped that. Either that or you contradict yourself in your next sentences.
So if you break down my front door and I fight you that means I’m punishing you? How about it means I am defending myself. There is no contradiction, reading comprehension is a good thing.

[Taurus510]

So if this action actually ends up helping Disney, was Desantis supporting what Disney did or did he just screw up?
Call it what you will. Their stock price doesn’t seem to suggest it was a good thing.

[jdulej]

Call it what you will. Their stock price doesn’t seem to suggest it was a good thing.

DIS has been declining for 2 years. They have problems, but this isn't it. And now Netflix is impacting all the streamers. Why anyone is surprised that the end of the pandemic means the end of the streaming party is beyond me

[Bill14564]

So if you break down my front door and I fight you that means I’m punishing you? How about it means I am defending myself. There is no contradiction, reading comprehension is a good thing.

Who broke down anyone's front door? A better analogy would be if I was standing on the sidewalk protesting and you called the police to take arrest me.

When I talked back to my parents and they took away my game boy were they fighting with me or was that punishment?

When I didn't stop speaking in class and was sent to detention was that the school fighting with me or punishing me?

When someone gets too political on ToTV and gets a timeout is ToTV fighting with them or punishing them?

When someone goes too far on Twitter and gets a timeout is Twitter fighting with them or punishing them?

When someone makes a threat against the president and is fined or has his freedom taken away is the US Govt fighting with them or punishing them?

When anyone in a position of authority exercises that authority to take something away from another party is that a fight or is that punishment?

The difference between those examples and what just occurred is that in those examples the speaking or the writing violated a rule or regulation. In this case the statements by Disney didn't violate any rule, they just made someone angry. They made him angry enough to flex his authority and take something away from Disney. Disney was punished for speaking out.

Yes, reading comprehension is a very good thing, along with unbiased, critical thinking.

[Taurus510]

Who broke down anyone's front door? A better analogy would be if I was standing on the sidewalk protesting and you called the police to take arrest me.

When I talked back to my parents and they took away my game boy were they fighting with me or was that punishment?

When I didn't stop speaking in class and was sent to detention was that the school fighting with me or punishing me?

When someone gets too political on ToTV and gets a timeout is ToTV fighting with them or punishing them?

When someone goes too far on Twitter and gets a timeout is Twitter fighting with them or punishing them?

When someone makes a threat against the president and is fined or has his freedom taken away is the US Govt fighting with them or punishing them?

When anyone in a position of authority exercises that authority to take something away from another party is that a fight or is that punishment?

The difference between those examples and what just occurred is that in those examples the speaking or the writing violated a rule or regulation. In this case the statements by Disney didn't violate any rule, they just made someone angry. They made him angry enough to flex his authority and take something away from Disney. Disney was punished for speaking out.

Yes, reading comprehension is a very good thing, along with unbiased, critical thinking.
Disney attacked, our governor pushed back. That’s called defense. About as simple as it gets.

[golfing eagles]

Who broke down anyone's front door? A better analogy would be if I was standing on the sidewalk protesting and you called the police to take arrest me.

When I talked back to my parents and they took away my game boy were they fighting with me or was that punishment?

When I didn't stop speaking in class and was sent to detention was that the school fighting with me or punishing me?

When someone gets too political on ToTV and gets a timeout is ToTV fighting with them or punishing them?

When someone goes too far on Twitter and gets a timeout is Twitter fighting with them or punishing them?

When someone makes a threat against the president and is fined or has his freedom taken away is the US Govt fighting with them or punishing them?

When anyone in a position of authority exercises that authority to take something away from another party is that a fight or is that punishment?

The difference between those examples and what just occurred is that in those examples the speaking or the writing violated a rule or regulation. In this case the statements by Disney didn't violate any rule, they just made someone angry. They made him angry enough to flex his authority and take something away from Disney. Disney was punished for speaking out.

Yes, reading comprehension is a very good thing, along with unbiased, critical thinking.

Yes, because sometimes "speaking out" has consequences. Freedom of speech means the government can't stop you from saying something, it DOES NOT mean you are immune from the consequences.

[Bill14564]

Yes, because sometimes "speaking out" has consequences. Freedom of speech means the government can't stop you from saying something, it DOES NOT mean you are immune from the consequences.

We'll have to wait and see how this particular situation works out.

[golfing eagles]

We'll have to wait and see how this particular situation works out.

True, a lot of unknowns. But as usual, it works both ways---remember the outrage against Hobby Lobby?

[bgamble3]

You get taxes other ways which comes out same or more. There no free lunch.

It is more than free speech. You might want to get fully informed, then your opinion may change. Check out the real reason on You Tube. Listen to what their executives are in favor of doing to young children. If you support that type of freedom, then you are in bed with them IMO.

[Bogie Shooter]

It is more than free speech. You might want to get fully informed, then your opinion may change. Check out the real reason on You Tube. Listen to what their executives are in favor of doing to young children. If you support that type of freedom, then you are in bed with them IMO.

Ah yes, you tube , great source for facts.

[rustyp]

If another Orlando based employer whose property is not a special district (hypothetically lets use Lockheed Martin) takes the same stance as Disney what would their sentencing be ?

What about a small LLC daycare center ?

Is Hobby Lobby or Chick Fillet next ?

Custom tuned sentencing seems like a slippery slope to me.

I AM NOT SAYING I AM AGAINST THE BILL. Nor am I saying I am for it. I am against what appears to be a revenge move on Disney by government. If Disney breaks the law they deserve sentencing consistent and equal to whoever else breaks that law. Disney may deserve to lose special district status for other reasons but that should be a stand alone separate issue and deserves its day in court.

[Bogie Shooter]

If another Orlando based employer whose property is not a special district (hypothetically lets use Lockheed Martin) takes the same stance as Disney what would their sentencing be ?

What about a small LLC daycare center ?

Is Hobby Lobby or Chick Fillet next ?

Custom tuned sentencing seems like a slippery slope to me.

I AM NOT SAYING I AM AGAINST THE BILL. Nor am I saying I am for it. I am against what appears to be a revenge move on Disney by government. If Disney breaks the law they deserve sentencing consistent and equal to whoever else breaks that law. Disney may deserve to lose special district status for other reasons but that should be a stand alone separate issue and deserves its day in court.

They would come up with something. Debate it for less than an hour and then vote.
Of course that would depend; if the company spoke out against or for the state government’s action.
A slippery slope indeed.

[Nick B]

Well it’s our screwy society, everything that’s going on is like a nightmare. Can’t understand why things can’t be like it used to be. We’re a messed up country!
No doubt Women and black people have rights now. Marginalized people asking for rights it's terrible. Why can't things be like they used to be?

[JMintzer]

No doubt Women and black people have rights now. Marginalized people asking for rights it's terrible. Why can't things be like they used to be?

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[MDLNB]

No doubt Women and black people have rights now. Marginalized people asking for rights it's terrible. Why can't things be like they used to be?


Are you saying that "women and black people" are perverted? How does teaching children a sexual perversion equate to minority equal rights, other than perversion IS a minority practice? The idea is NOT to teach children about gender confusion until they are old enough to understand a bit more about differences in biologic matters, such as male and female gender and how it is dictated by DNA, not by choice. When a child still thinks that a stork brought their baby brother to mommy, confusing them with gender choice issues is probably a bit early in their lives to understand. It has nothing to do with the fictitious idea that someone wishes for "don't say gay."

If Disney wishes to step outside the norm and subject children to the abnormal, then they should expect push back by the majority. Is Disney supposed to be entertainment or a teaching institution? Are adults upset over a personally perceived issue or do they REALLY care about the children? Are they really defending Disney's being told they will no longer receive preferential treatment by Florida, or are they really defending Disney's encroachment into lifestyle choices?

Personally, I find Universal a better choice than Disney anyway..:popcorn:

[rustyp]

Are you saying that "women and black people" are perverted? How does teaching children a sexual perversion equate to minority equal rights, other than perversion IS a minority practice? The idea is NOT to teach children about gender confusion until they are old enough to understand a bit more about differences in biologic matters, such as male and female gender and how it is dictated by DNA, not by choice. When a child still thinks that a stork brought their baby brother to mommy, confusing them with gender choice issues is probably a bit early in their lives to understand. It has nothing to do with the fictitious idea that someone wishes for "don't say gay."

If Disney wishes to step outside the norm and subject children to the abnormal, then they should expect push back by the majority. Is Disney supposed to be entertainment or a teaching institution? Are adults upset over a personally perceived issue or do they REALLY care about the children? Are they really defending Disney's being told they will no longer receive preferential treatment by Florida, or are they really defending Disney's encroachment into lifestyle choices?

Personally, I find Universal a better choice than Disney anyway..:popcorn:


Personal preference but you are in the minority but have equal rights to an opinion:

Average yearly attendance:
Disney World - 58 million
Universal < 4 million

Thus Disney is bringing to Fl 14.5 x more tourism dollars than Universal at a minimum. And let's face it most of UNiversal's attendance is spill over from Disney. If you like no state tax be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you. IMHO diplomacy would benefit us better than revenge.

[MDLNB]

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Personal preference but you are in the minority but have equal rights to an opinion:

Average yearly attendance:
Disney World - 58 million
Universal < 4 million

Thus Disney is bringing to Fl 14.5 x more tourism dollars than Universal at a minimum. And let's face it most of UNiversal's attendance is spill over from Disney. If you like no state tax be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you. IMHO diplomacy would benefit us better than revenge.


Disney's choice. Is there some reason that I would need to fear the idea of State income tax just because Disney would lose preferential treatment? I doubt they would close their doors....gates.

By the way, one of the reasons that (my opinion) I like Universal better is the smaller crowd and smaller lines, and wait times. Majority vs minority attendance? I don't have Disney stock so other than hating crowds, I see no reason that I should be concerned with the idea of someone else's preference and resulting attendance numbers.

[MX rider]

Disney's choice. Is there some reason that I would need to fear the idea of State income tax just because Disney would lose preferential treatment? I doubt they would close their doors....gates.

By the way, one of the reasons that (my opinion) I like Universal better is the smaller crowd and smaller lines, and wait times. Majority vs minority attendance? I don't have Disney stock so other than hating crowds, I see no reason that I should be concerned with the idea of someone else's preference and resulting attendance numbers.

From what I read they're going to come up with something to replace the special district law with more "transparency". Whatever that means. So it sounds like they realize they can't just do away with it all together.

[bgamble3]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.
Disney supports exploiting children thru their cartoons and parks. Do your research.

[bgamble3]

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Personal preference but you are in the minority but have equal rights to an opinion:

Average yearly attendance:
Disney World - 58 million
Universal < 4 million

Thus Disney is bringing to Fl 14.5 x more tourism dollars than Universal at a minimum. And let's face it most of UNiversal's attendance is spill over from Disney. If you like no state tax be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you. IMHO diplomacy would benefit us better than revenge.
Disney leadership are perverts. Don't take your children or grandchildren to their parks or watch their cartoons anymore.

[Bill14564]

IMHO, there should never be anything in a math book that needs to be censored. The fact that nearly 1/2 of those books were rejected tells me that the author added unnecessary woke crap to a cut and dry factual subject. Thank you Florida for protecting young children from this cr@p

This is surprising to me. So sad that you jump to the conclusion that the being rejected means there was "woke crap" added. The "dry factual subject" benefits from real-world examples to make it meaningful to students. Unfortunately today there isn't much in the real world that doesn't look like "woke crap" to those on a crusade to save the children.

[Caymus]

Unfortunately today there isn't much in the real world that doesn't look like "woke crap" .

Maybe the saying “If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s a duck!” applies

[Bill14564]

Maybe the saying “If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s a duck!” applies

Or maybe "To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

[Bogie Shooter]

Disney supports exploiting children thru their cartoons and parks. Do your research.

Disney leadership are perverts. Don't take your children or grandchildren to their parks or watch their cartoons anymore.

Been smoking that funny grass again, I see!………..

[golfing eagles]

This is surprising to me. So sad that you jump to the conclusion that the being rejected means there was "woke crap" added. The "dry factual subject" benefits from real-world examples to make it meaningful to students. Unfortunately today there isn't much in the real world that doesn't look like "woke crap" to those on a crusade to save the children.

Real world examples in math should be how to make change for a 20 , not how to choreograph a 9 person orgy 😂😢😢

[Keefelane66]

BREAKING: Disney hits back HARD at Ron DeSantis and the GOP — says that Florida can't legally dissolve its self-governing district unless the state pays off the district's $1 billion debts due to a pledge in the original 1967 law.
Sometimes it pays to have good lawyers!

[Bill14564]

Real world examples in math should be how to make change for a 20 , not how to choreograph a 9 person orgy 😂😢😢

Where do you come from that an example like that is used in any book??? If you saw that example somewhere then I'm REALLY surprised FL didn't put that at the top of their list of samples of offending sections.

I'll certainly concede that there may be a place where 9 person orgies are used in math books, where elected officials actually represent their constituents, and where "we're from the Govt and we're here to help" is not a joke. In that fantasy world I would trust the process that censored math books with no transparency.

[Keefelane66]

Real world examples in math should be how to make change for a 20 , not how to choreograph a 9 person orgy 😂😢😢
9 person orgy 3 two ways and one three way

[Boomer]

IMHO, there should never be anything in a math book that needs to be censored. The fact that nearly 1/2 of those books were rejected tells me that the author added unnecessary woke crap to a cut and dry factual subject. Thank you Florida for protecting young children from this cr@p

This post "tells me" that the specific reasons for rejection are not known. Could it have been perhaps a story problem involving someone named Juan or Jose? (gasp)

But, by golly, it's gotta be right because somebody on some screen somewhere said to think that. No details necessary. Just aim for the amygdala. Crank 'em up and reel 'em in. Keep throwin' the bait at 'em. Keep 'em in an emotional frenzy.

Math books! Geez. I cannot imagine what an English teacher will have to go through. But hey, soon public education will be destroyed by these power grabbers and kids will all be plugged into screens permanently -- the ultimate control -- and oh so easy.

Boomer

I never should have looked at this thread. I looked only at the last several posts. That's enough.

[JMintzer]

This post "tells me" that the specific reasons for rejection are not known. Could it have been perhaps a story problem involving someone named Juan or Jose? (gasp)

But, by golly, it's gotta be right because somebody on some screen somewhere said to think that. No details necessary. Just aim for the amygdala. Crank 'em up and reel 'em in. Keep throwin' the bait at 'em. Keep 'em in an emotional frenzy.

Math books! Geez. I cannot imagine what an English teacher will have to go through. But hey, soon public education will be destroyed by these power grabbers and kids will all be plugged into screens permanently -- the ultimate control -- and oh so easy.

Boomer

I never should have looked at this thread. I looked only at the last several posts. That's enough.

The reasons for rejections have been published. It has nothing to do with "Juan" nor "Jose"...

That's your own racial bias bubbling up...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Real world examples in math should be how to make change for a 20 , not how to choreograph a 9 person orgy 😂😢😢

In which mathematics textbook will I find a real world example on how to choreograph a 9 person orgy? On which page of that textbook?

Or is that just more political hyperbolic tripe?

[JMintzer]

In which mathematics textbook will I find a real world example on how to choreograph a 9 person orgy? On which page of that textbook?

Or is that just more political hyperbolic tripe?

If you really have to ask...:ohdear:

[Boomer]

The reasons for rejections have been published. It has nothing to do with "Juan" nor "Jose"...

That's your own racial bias bubbling up...



Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, yeah, right.

I think that tactic you are attempting to use is called projection.

Boomer