Bill to abolish special districts??

[Rainger99]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

[Keefelane66]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?
If you don’t go or agree with the flow seems as retribution it could be eliminated. According to state records, there are more than 550 CDDs spread throughout Florida, ranging in size from 100 acres to more than 10,000 acres.

[Bogie Shooter]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

Search the net regarding Disney to get the full story why they are being targeted.

[Michael G.]

Maybe not good news for TV.

[MartinSE]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.

[Keefelane66]

Maybe not good news for TV.
It may be a constitutional issue of Free Speech addressing the Government which we can disagree with according to the first amendment. In private forums Facebook, Twitter and TOTV or at work, speech can be controlled.
Although the First Amendment says “Congress,” the Supreme Court has held that speakers are protected against all government agencies and officials: federal, state, and local, and legislative, executive, or judicial.
Interpretation: Freedom of Speech and the Press | The National Constitution Center (https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-i/interps/266#:~:text=Although%20the%20First%20Amendment%20s ays,legislative%2C%20executive%2C%20or%20judicial) .

[Bogie Shooter]

Maybe not good news for TV.

The head honcho in announcing the review, it was for special districts formed before 1967. That would include Disney. Convenient huh?


Hardly has anything to do with free speech……..

[MartinSE]

It may be a constitutional issue of Free Speech addressing the Government which we can disagree with according to the first amendment. In private forums Facebook, Twitter and TOTV or at work, speech can be controlled.
Although the First Amendment says “Congress,” the Supreme Court has held that speakers are protected against all government agencies and officials: federal, state, and local, and legislative, executive, or judicial.
Interpretation: Freedom of Speech and the Press | The National Constitution Center (https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-i/interps/266#:~:text=Although%20the%20First%20Amendment%20s ays,legislative%2C%20executive%2C%20or%20judicial) .

This is true, and the action is certainly retribution by the government. But, I expect they don’t have a chance to stop the retribution.

I tried to avoid any political reference, oh well.

[Bogie Shooter]

This is true, and the action is certainly retribution by the government. But, I expect they don’t have a chance to stop the retribution.

I tried to avoid any political reference, oh well.

They could close the park.:ohdear:

[MartinSE]

They could, I expect they don’t. It would be very expensive.

As I said. I don’t expect anything will come of it. It seems nothing ever comes of anything any more

[npwalters]

They could close the park.:ohdear:

MUCH more likely that they would just make a gagillion dollars per year instead of a gagagillion.

[photo1902]

They could close the park.:ohdear:

Not for another year...I just renewed my Annual Pass!

[Topspinmo]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.



I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.


You get taxes other ways which comes out same or more. There no free lunch.

[Topspinmo]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.

I don’t think Disney was following Florida law? There not going to move there most productive park

[Topspinmo]

They could close the park.:ohdear:


More room for villages.:icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

More room for villages.:icon_wink:

Dibs on Cinderella's Castle!

[Babubhat]

Takes away their tax exempt financing and circumventing local government.

[JMintzer]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.

Interesting... Nowhere NEAR a $Billion... Plus, some interesting bookkeeping...

Disney Avoids Paying Millions in Taxes With Massive Theme Park Loophole - Inside the Magic (https://insidethemagic.net/2022/03/disney-saves-millions-taxes-loophole-ad1/)

[MartinSE]

They could close the park.:ohdear:

If they lose the tax concessions I expect the will sue, but I don’t know how long those concessions were agreed to when they came here

[MartinSE]

Interesting... Nowhere NEAR a $Billion... Plus, some interesting bookkeeping...

Disney Avoids Paying Millions in Taxes With Massive Theme Park Loophole - Inside the Magic (https://insidethemagic.net/2022/03/disney-saves-millions-taxes-loophole-ad1/)

Disney income taxes for the quarter ending December 31, 2021 were $0.488B, a 2950% increase year-over-year. Disney income taxes for the twelve months ending December 31, 2021 were $497M, a 93.39% increase year-over-year. Disney annual income taxes for 2021 were $0.025B, a 96.42% decline from 2020.

I expect pandemic had something to do with past couple years

[MartinSE]

Takes away their tax exempt financing and circumventing local government.

You are right, I would much rather pay income tax than let Disney steal that. Geez

[MartinSE]

Dibs on Cinderella's Castle!

I ate there once, you can have it

[golfing eagles]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.

BS

Let's be honest here.

They were not "supporting thousands of employees and millions of guests" They were making a political statement and cow-towing to a very small minority of ________(fill in the blank) that were opposed to a law that prohibited teaching CHILDREN in K-3 (5-8 year olds) about certain sexual behaviors. Of course, those that engage in those behaviors want them to be accepted as normal even by 5 year olds.

So like the spokesperson for the governor's office stated this morning--"If you poke the hornet's nest. sometimes you get stung"

[Bogie Shooter]

Both bills passed senate.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Takes away their tax exempt financing and circumventing local government.

It also relieves them of their obligation to maintain the roads, fire/police, and other infrastructure costs in the district. If the district no longer exists, the costs of all those things revert to the property owners (homeowners, small businesses, etc).

Estimates are approximately $2000 per residence per year to cover the costs of Disney not maintaining the district anymore.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If they lose the tax concessions I expect the will sue, but I don’t know how long those concessions were agreed to when they came here

Part of the deal for all those concessions was that Disney would pay for the infrastructure, police and fire department services in the district. They won't have to fund that anymore. The district is not exclusively Disney. It also includes homeowners and small businesses, supermarkets, the roads leading to and from Disney and all those homes and businesses and supermarkets, etc. etc. etc. Disney was paying 100% of those costs. They won't be responsible for that after this.

[Bogie Shooter]

It also relieves them of their obligation to maintain the roads, fire/police, and other infrastructure costs in the district. If the district no longer exists, the costs of all those things revert to the property owners (homeowners, small businesses, etc).

Estimates are approximately $2000 per residence per year to cover the costs of Disney not maintaining the district anymore.

Part of the deal for all those concessions was that Disney would pay for the infrastructure, police and fire department services in the district. They won't have to fund that anymore. The district is not exclusively Disney. It also includes homeowners and small businesses, supermarkets, the roads leading to and from Disney and all those homes and businesses and supermarkets, etc. etc. etc. Disney was paying 100% of those costs. They won't be responsible for that after this.

My, my doesn’t this make so much sense?
The clowns at work, again.

[Caymus]

Part of the deal for all those concessions was that Disney would pay for the infrastructure, police and fire department services in the district. They won't have to fund that anymore. The district is not exclusively Disney. It also includes homeowners and small businesses, supermarkets, the roads leading to and from Disney and all those homes and businesses and supermarkets, etc. etc. etc. Disney was paying 100% of those costs. They won't be responsible for that after this.

Just curious, what else are they exempt from building permits, fire inspections codes etc?

[MartinSE]

BS

Let's be honest here.

They were not "supporting thousands of employees and millions of guests" They were making a political statement and cow-towing to a very small minority of ________(fill in the blank) that were opposed to a law that prohibited teaching CHILDREN in K-3 (5-8 year olds) about certain sexual behaviors. Of course, those that engage in those behaviors want them to be accepted as normal even by 5 year olds.

So like the spokesperson for the governor's office stated this morning--"If you poke the hornet's nest. sometimes you get stung"

Let's be honest, I though t you were in favor of the constitution? Remember that pesky part about the government may Not do anything too prevent free speech. There is NO doubt whatsoever why this is being done now. And that is in direct violation of the government attempting to prevent free speech. And yes, you SHOULD get stung if you goo directly against the constitution.

[kkingston57]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.

Forgot to mention that Orlando was the 7th highest airport in World last year based on passenger traffic. Atlanta was #1. I bet that Orlando probably had more people who left airport and stayed some time and spent money(taxable) in Florida.

Law that allowed Disney this exemption has been around for 55 years and this has never been an issue.

[Caymus]

Let's be honest, I though t you were in favor of the constitution? Remember that pesky part about the government may Not do anything too prevent free speech. There is NO doubt whatsoever why this is being done now. And that is in direct violation of the government attempting to prevent free speech. And yes, you SHOULD get stung if you goo directly against the constitution.

So, you agree that corporations are entitled to free speech?

[justjim]

I don’t think Disney was following Florida law? There not going to move there most productive park

With all due respect, Reedy Creek Improvement District was created as an incentive for Disney to build in Central Florida. Disney was certainly following current Florida law. CDD’S were also created as an economic development incentive for developers to build communities like The Villages. Apparently what Florida Government gives it believes it can also take away without repercussions. Sounds to me a very slippery slope to be going down. Walt Disney has created thousands of jobs and brought billions and billions of tax money to the State of Florida. As Yogi says “it ain’t over until it’s over.” Stand by for future developments on this issue.

[Babubhat]

Disney was happy to move California jobs to Lake Nona. Chapek has blundered too many times to keep his job. Don’t know why corporations have to comment on issues that don’t concern them

[IndianaJones]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

Back to the actual question, rather than an argument about Disney - as reported by the actual legislature, the voted bill is for CDD’s formed before 1968. TV did not form CDD’s that far back - TV CDD’s were formed & sold in the 1990’s. So, no - the proposed legislation doesn’t seem to affect TV (it’s said there are 116 CDD’s in FL, so some of them might be impacted). Hope that answers your original question!

[Madelaine Amee]

Forgot to mention that Orlando was the 7th highest airport in World last year based on passenger traffic. Atlanta was #1. I bet that Orlando probably had more people who left airport and stayed some time and spent money(taxable) in Florida.

Law that allowed Disney this exemption has been around for 55 years and this has never been an issue.

I was also thinking of the airport and the number of flights that come in day and night. It is also a huge commercial flight hub.

I predict it is going to be a long-running lawsuit costing everyone, including the taxpayers, a lot of money.

Stupid stupid, stupid.

[golfing eagles]

Let's be honest, I though t you were in favor of the constitution? Remember that pesky part about the government may Not do anything too prevent free speech. There is NO doubt whatsoever why this is being done now. And that is in direct violation of the government attempting to prevent free speech. And yes, you SHOULD get stung if you goo directly against the constitution.

Let's be more honest. This is NOT a free speech issue. Disney is a publicly traded corporation. As such, it's obligation, in fact it's only legal obligation, is to try to make money for it's shareholders. Does anyone think that Disney is going to enhance it's bottom line by taking a stand in favor of questionable curriculum for 5 year olds???? After all, doesn't Disney stand for family fun and entertainment?
But beyond that, they made the statement that they will spend money to fight similar legislation in other states! That's right, spend SHAREHOLDER money to wage a political battle that flies in the face of what Walt Disney created. I can pretty much guarantee that if they actually spend that money there will be class action lawsuit filed within a day.

BTW, I'm not particularly in favor of overturning these old agreements as retribution, Florida could be cutting off its nose to spite its face

But I like your acquiescence that "corporations are people too":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[MartinSE]

So, you agree that corporations are entitled to free speech?

I think everyone, including corporations have a right to free speech which the government can not interfere with except in very carefully defined circumstances - same with people. The circumstances include things like speech that can directly lead to death, national security, etc. All RIGHTS can be regulated.

[MartinSE]

Let's be more honest. This is NOT a free speech issue. Disney is a publicly traded corporation. As such, it's obligation, in fact it's only legal obligation, is to try to make money for it's shareholders. Does anyone think that Disney is going to enhance it's bottom line by taking a stand in favor of questionable curriculum for 5 year olds???? After all, doesn't Disney stand for family fun and entertainment?
But beyond that, they made the statement that they will spend money to fight similar legislation in other states! That's right, spend SHAREHOLDER money to wage a political battle that flies in the face of what Walt Disney created. I can pretty much guarantee that if they actually spend that money there will be class action lawsuit filed within a day.

BTW, I'm not particularly in favor of overturning these old agreements as retribution, Florida could be cutting off its nose to spite its face

But I like your acquiescence that "corporations are people too":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I don't recall ever saying I didn't think corporations are people too. But, thank you for attributing that to me.

And as in all rights, they can be restricted or limited under some circumstances.

As to the "only obligation is to make money". Yup, and what happens when a company does something that the share holders feel cost them money, they shareholder hold the company liable and sues the.

Please tell me you are not so naive as to see NO connection to the attempt to revoke the agreement with Disney, and Disneys comments. Seriously. Yeah, kind of funny how every time I let go of a hammer it drops, purely coincidence.

Sorry, I am NOT buying it, in fact, The Governor said as much in his public statements.

This is exactly a free speech issue, Because it is a government agency using their position of power to restrict an individual or companies freedom to say what they believe. Now, I understand that KNOWING something and proving it (especially when it is WHY something was done) is very hard, and I have already said, I don't think there is anything Disney can actually do.

But, then I think the entire world is entering a new dark ages, and is being led there by Authoritarians around the world - and right here in Rivercity.

[MartinSE]

Disney was happy to move California jobs to Lake Nona. Chapek has blundered too many times to keep his job. Don’t know why corporations have to comment on issues that don’t concern them

Why does anyone have to comment on anything that doesn't concern them? Why do people comment on a woman having an abortion, that is between her and her doctor, but it certainly gets a lot of talking.

[MartinSE]

Forgot to mention that Orlando was the 7th highest airport in World last year based on passenger traffic. Atlanta was #1. I bet that Orlando probably had more people who left airport and stayed some time and spent money(taxable) in Florida.

Law that allowed Disney this exemption has been around for 55 years and this has never been an issue.

It never was an issue until Disney spoke out defending LGBTQ rights. Then within days, it's an end of the world issue. I don't know if it is true, but I expect at least a few of the 50 million people that visit Disney every year, might have gone into that airport at some point.

This type of nonsense is having consequences all over the country, with companies moving or transferring people Even the military has announced they will relocate any members that feel threatened by recent laws in-acted in Florida to bases in other states.

Tell me are we great yet?

[Rainger99]

Back to the actual question, rather than an argument about Disney - as reported by the actual legislature, the voted bill is for CDD’s formed before 1968. TV did not form CDD’s that far back - TV CDD’s were formed & sold in the 1990’s. So, no - the proposed legislation doesn’t seem to affect TV (it’s said there are 116 CDD’s in FL, so some of them might be impacted). Hope that answers your original question!

Thanks for responding to the actual question. It appears that this bill won’t affect us.

However, does anyone know what would happen if all of the special districts-including The Villages-were abolished?

[Kgcetm]

Thousands of employees and millions of guests don’t make decisions relating to what is taught to Florida school. The resident employees can vote like all residents.

[Worldseries27]

Lets be honest. This is not really about " free speech". Disney has thrown down the gauntlet by stating they will fund campaigns against the children protection laws embraced by the florida government and elsewhere.
I took my children and gc to disney parks to be entertained only. They should not be telling us how to raise our children.

[BlackhawksFan]

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[crash]

I don’t think Disney was following Florida law? There not going to move there most productive park

They were following the law their special district was created to encourage them to move here. New businesses will look at this when they consider moving here and then they won’t. Florida gives and takes away if you speak out.

[jimbomaybe]

Why does anyone have to comment on anything that doesn't concern them? Why do people comment on a woman having an abortion, that is between her and her doctor, but it certainly gets a lot of talking.

It is amazing how these topics branch out, if an abortion is only between a doctor and the woman involved a woman can carry a "pregnancy", some would call a baby and abort just prior to delivery? when if allowed to deliver you would have a healthy infant

[me4vt]

Looks like the Moderator isn’t doing their job today! Political Post everywhere!!

[midiwiz]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

only a handful, not villages especially with 208% growth in 2021. but of course TV isn't done like disney, that bubble needed to burst. so does this one, but greed brings that in time. and based on recent info of the newer sections, time is coming soon.

[Villages Kahuna]

The government of The Villages is based closely on that of the way the Disney developments are financed and governed. The exception I believe is that Disney issues the bond financing to fund their developments, but retains the obligation to repay those bonds. The result is that Disney retains the authority to “govern” the areas using that form of financing.

In the case of The Villages, the obligation to service and repay the bonds used to fund infrastructure development is transferred to home buyers when they close on the purchase of their homes. Governance of The Villages is then transferred to homeowners over a team-year period, after which the homeowners have the authority and responsibility to elect representatives to self-govern.

The question I have is whether the legislation passed yesterday will prevent the issuance of the bonds by The Villages in the first place? That is, will the Developer be required to fund the infrastructure and recreational facilities and then try to repay themselves thru much higher sales prices of new homes?

I haven’t read any analysis of the new Florida law, but it seems to me that it will change the fundamental formula which has permitted over thirty years of successful development of The Villages and rapidly speed the responsibility for providing and all the services normally provided by governmental agencies. The question that follows of course is whether real estate taxes will have to immediately put in place to provide and fund the governance of The Villages which had been provided by the Developer over the initial ten-year period following completion of various phases of the development?

I sure don’t have those answers, max out site seems to follow that the cost of infrastructure development will have to be’ baked in’ to the selling prices of new homes with the residents immediately assuming the responsibility of forming, organizing and paying for all the units of government required.

Somehow, I think, the new law also has to effect residents of The Villages by removing the decision-making currently being provided by The Villages Developer.

An old saying seems to apply… If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

[irishwonone]

BS

Let's be honest here.

They were not "supporting thousands of employees and millions of guests" They were making a political statement and cow-towing to a very small minority of ________(fill in the blank) that were opposed to a law that prohibited teaching CHILDREN in K-3 (5-8 year olds) about certain sexual behaviors. Of course, those that engage in those behaviors want them to be accepted as normal even by 5 year olds.

So like the spokesperson for the governor's office stated this morning--"If you poke the hornet's nest. sometimes you get stung"
Great post and right on the money. Amazing not another post here even mentions the innocent 5 year olds that this battle is about nor their parents. Free speech, taxes, money all baloney. Take that woke baloney back to Cali.

[Bill14564]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

As others have mentioned, this particular bill only affects districts in place before 1968 which means it affects Disney but would not affect the Villages.

The Villages is made up of a large number of special districts. To better understand the structure you should really attend the Resident Academy. That presentation gives a lot of information about how things are set up and how the several districts work with one another to provide services to the Villages.

If all our districts were wiped away the counties (Sumter, Lake, and Marion) would suddenly be responsible for providing the services we now use. The maintenance of the town squares, postal stations, recreation centers, pools, roads in the villa sections, flowers in the medians, and gate houses would fall to the county. Wages for the gate guards, recreation department, and community watch would fall to the county. The water, sewer, and irrigation infrastructure would become the county responsibility. And I believe the bond debt would become a county liability.

The county would need to find funding for all of that or the county would drop the services. They might be able to absorb the water and sewer infrastructure and provide service at the same rate we are paying now. Our amenity fee would go away because there would no longer be anyone to collect it. What we now call amenities would become public county facilities. The county could increase taxes to pay for those facilities but the increase would be spread across the entire county and not just the homes north of 44 and east of 301. Maybe the employees that are now paid by the Villages would be hired by the county but again, the county would need to collect more taxes in order to pay for those employees.

Dismantling the many special districts that make up the Villages would not be easy. "The Villages" would cease to exist. Anything paid for now through amenity fees or bond maintenance fees would need to be paid for through county taxes or simply boarded up. The process wouldn't be pretty. I hope I'm long gone before some politician decides to try it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Disney was happy to move California jobs to Lake Nona. Chapek has blundered too many times to keep his job. Don’t know why corporations have to comment on issues that don’t concern them

For the same reason you get to comment on things that don't concern you. If you don't like Disney, you're not obligated to go there. If you live in the Villages, the Governor's decision has zero impact on you at all.

[MartinSE]

Great post and right on the money. Amazing not another post here even mentions the innocent 5 year olds that this battle is about nor their parents. Free speech, taxes, money all baloney. Take that woke baloney back to Cali.

So, I will politely ask for you to provide ANY proof that Disney is Grooming. expect this will go the same route as the "Big Lie" - no proof, lots of bluster. And a lot of damage to America, by spreading these lies.

Disney Worlds entire business model is to make guests happy So, you are arguing 50 million guests bring their children to be Groomed, because it makes them happy? If not, how many 5 years olds visit Disney every year without their parents there to protect them. If none, then I guess you believe the GOVERNMENT (DeSantis) has the right to tell parents how they can raise their children. Is that hypocrisy I hear rattling around on this thread?

It is so sad how Fox, NewsMax and OAN can Mae a stupid statement like this and suddenly so many people just echo it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just curious, what else are they exempt from building permits, fire inspections codes etc?

You can look it up yourself. You know where to find your local search engine, public library, and hall of records.

[Bill14564]

BS

Let's be honest here.

They were not "supporting thousands of employees and millions of guests" They were making a political statement and cow-towing to a very small minority of ________(fill in the blank) that were opposed to a law that prohibited teaching CHILDREN in K-3 (5-8 year olds) about certain sexual behaviors. Of course, those that engage in those behaviors want them to be accepted as normal even by 5 year olds.

So like the spokesperson for the governor's office stated this morning--"If you poke the hornet's nest. sometimes you get stung"

I disagree; I believe the new law is more than that. Simply put, I see the debate on the law to be along the lines of "tastes great / less filling," but I fear that going into any detail would cross the line on political references.

[Elaine Dickinson]

Let's be more honest. This is NOT a free speech issue. Disney is a publicly traded corporation. As such, it's obligation, in fact it's only legal obligation, is to try to make money for it's shareholders. Does anyone think that Disney is going to enhance it's bottom line by taking a stand in favor of questionable curriculum for 5 year olds????

Agree! Former McDonald's CEO Ed Rensi is partnering with a team of advocacy groups to launch The Boardroom Initiative, a coalition with a mission to push back against U.S. corporations whose boardrooms are becoming too political.

Rensi will serve as executive chairman of the initiative that comprises conservative advocacy group The Job Creators Network founded by Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus along with two other conservative advocacy groups, The Free Enterprise Group and Second Vote. Their stated goal: to defend shareholders and employees of public companies from "woke" policies and ensure corporate accountability.

"Corporations have no business being on the right or the left because they represent everybody there and their sole job is to build equity for their investors" said Rensi.

[Bogie Shooter]

Looks like the Moderator isn’t doing their job today! Political Post everywhere!!

Have the rules changed????

There are two threads on this topic full of political posts.

[bp243]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.

Wow…you nailed it! Thank you!!

[nhtexasrn]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.

Free speech does not include the indoctrination of small children and taking away parent's rights to monitor and have a say in what their children are being taught. Texas has no state income tax and there is no Disney there. Disney should stay out of politics and just do what they do best. By the way, in the so called "don't say gay" bill, the word "gay" is nowhere to be found. It is a bill to protect parental rights and to keep sexuality from being taught to small children. That is a parent's job when the child is the appropriate age.

[Bill14564]

...

The question I have is whether the legislation passed yesterday will prevent the issuance of the bonds by The Villages in the first place? That is, will the Developer be required to fund the infrastructure and recreational facilities and then try to repay themselves thru much higher sales prices of new homes?

I haven’t read any analysis of the new Florida law, but it seems to me that it will change the fundamental formula which has permitted over thirty years of successful development of The Villages and rapidly speed the responsibility for providing and all the services normally provided by governmental agencies. The question that follows of course is whether real estate taxes will have to immediately put in place to provide and fund the governance of The Villages which had been provided by the Developer over the initial ten-year period following completion of various phases of the development?

...


The amendment to the existing law (https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022C/3C/BillText/Filed/PDF)applies only to districts established prior to 1968. Since the Villages districts were established after that, the new law does not affect the Villages at all.

[kkingston57]

Agree! Former McDonald's CEO Ed Rensi is partnering with a team of advocacy groups to launch The Boardroom Initiative, a coalition with a mission to push back against U.S. corporations whose boardrooms are becoming too political.

Rensi will serve as executive chairman of the initiative that comprises conservative advocacy group The Job Creators Network founded by Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus along with two other conservative advocacy groups, The Free Enterprise Group and Second Vote. Their stated goal: to defend shareholders and employees of public companies from "woke" policies and ensure corporate accountability.

"Corporations have no business being on the right or the left because they represent everybody there and their sole job is to build equity for their investors" said Rensi.

Most, if not all, small businesses should think the same way. When they get political they could be alienating 1/2 of their business, unless they are selling political paraphanalia.

[donassaid]

No, they didn't get penalized for "stating their opinion". They lied about the Parental Notification bill, calling it the "Don't Say Gay" bill when it bans the teaching of ALL sexuality to children in K thru 3rd grade. Disney caved to the radical LGBTQ crowd in condemning the bill. Disney needs to get back to their origin mission of providing wholesome entertainment for families in their Parks and in their movies and quit trying to indoctrinate impressionable children with their WOKE and pro homosexual agenda.

[OhioBuckeye]

Well it’s our screwy society, everything that’s going on is like a nightmare. Can’t understand why things can’t be like it used to be. We’re a messed up country!

[MrFlorida]

Disney isn't going anywhere, this is just pocket change to them....

[Bill14564]

No, they didn't get penalized for "stating their opinion". They lied about the Parental Notification bill, calling it the "Don't Say Gay" bill when it bans the teaching of ALL sexuality to children in K thru 3rd grade. Disney caved to the radical LGBTQ crowd in condemning the bill. Disney needs to get back to their origin mission of providing wholesome entertainment for families in their Parks and in their movies and quit trying to indoctrinate impressionable children with their WOKE and pro homosexual agenda.

Wow!

[jdulej]

Most, if not all, small businesses should think the same way. When they get political they could be alienating 1/2 of their business, unless they are selling political paraphanalia.

I agree with this. I won’t hire anyone who shows up with political stickers on their truck or car regardless of who they support. And I tell them so to their faces so it’s clear

[cherylncliff]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

As I understand, Reedy Creek established the concept in law for self governing governmental units in Florida. The VCDDs are based on this original law. If the governor were to succeed in his retribution against Disney, I wonder how this will impact all the subsequent governmental units (including The Villages) that are based on the Reedy Creek development.

[JMintzer]

It never was an issue until Disney spoke out defending LGBTQ rights. Then within days, it's an end of the world issue. I don't know if it is true, but I expect at least a few of the 50 million people that visit Disney every year, might have gone into that airport at some point.

This type of nonsense is having consequences all over the country, with companies moving or transferring people Even the military has announced they will relocate any members that feel threatened by recent laws in-acted in Florida to bases in other states.

Tell me are we great yet?

It's sad that that's all you think Disney did...

[Bilyclub]

It never was an issue until Disney spoke out defending LGBTQ rights. Then within days, it's an end of the world issue. I don't know if it is true, but I expect at least a few of the 50 million people that visit Disney every year, might have gone into that airport at some point.

This type of nonsense is having consequences all over the country, with companies moving or transferring people Even the military has announced they will relocate any members that feel threatened by recent laws in-acted in Florida to bases in other states.

Tell me are we great yet?


It wasn't an issue until that very small percentage of the US population started pressuring Disney to take a stand on the matter.

[JMintzer]

So, I will politely ask for you to provide ANY proof that Disney is Grooming. expect this will go the same route as the "Big Lie" - no proof, lots of bluster. And a lot of damage to America, by spreading these lies.

Disney Worlds entire business model is to make guests happy So, you are arguing 50 million guests bring their children to be Groomed, because it makes them happy? If not, how many 5 years olds visit Disney every year without their parents there to protect them. If none, then I guess you believe the GOVERNMENT (DeSantis) has the right to tell parents how they can raise their children. Is that hypocrisy I hear rattling around on this thread?

It is so sad how Fox, NewsMax and OAN can Mae a stupid statement like this and suddenly so many people just echo it.

Anyone using the "Don't say Gay Bill" moniker or is accusing Disney of "grooming" is not a serious person...

Disney DOES have an agenda, though. A simple Twitter search will provide videos (posted by Disney Execs) that are nothing short of bizarre...

[JMintzer]

Have the rules changed????

There are two threads on this topic full of political posts.

The other thread has been LOCKED...

[jimbomaybe]

So, I will politely ask for you to provide ANY proof that Disney is Grooming. expect this will go the same route as the "Big Lie" - no proof, lots of bluster. And a lot of damage to America, by spreading these lies.

Disney Worlds entire business model is to make guests happy So, you are arguing 50 million guests bring their children to be Groomed, because it makes them happy? If not, how many 5 years olds visit Disney every year without their parents there to protect them. If none, then I guess you believe the GOVERNMENT (DeSantis) has the right to tell parents how they can raise their children. Is that hypocrisy I hear rattling around on this thread?

It is so sad how Fox, NewsMax and OAN can Mae a stupid statement like this and suddenly so many people just echo it.
In the very recent past we heard that parents shouldn't be interfering with the decisions of school boards, this did not come from DeSantis but a very different state government

[MartinSE]

Most, if not all, small businesses should think the same way. When they get political they could be alienating 1/2 of their business, unless they are selling political paraphanalia.

So?

They should check with you to see how they they should run there business. That is certainly what I call freedom .

[MartinSE]

In the very recent past we heard that parents shouldn't be interfering with the decisions of school boards, this did not come from DeSantis but a very different state government

Basically. If you disagree with them you are wrong, seems to be a trend.

I am taking bets that once DeSantid wins the election he will suddenly have a change of heart

[MartinSE]

It wasn't an issue until that very small percentage of the US population started pressuring Disney to take a stand on the matter.

Yes, and your point is? Disney is not permitted to make its own business decisions?

[MartinSE]

Great post and right on the money. Amazing not another post here even mentions the innocent 5 year olds that this battle is about nor their parents. Free speech, taxes, money all baloney. Take that woke baloney back to Cali.

The reason no one mentioned them is there has never been a complaint from any of ghe 60 million visitors per year about their 5 year olds being indoctrinated, just a binch of old gexzers with no 5 year olds.

And no evidence provided supporting the claims

[Bilyclub]

Yes, and your point is? Disney is not permitted to make its own business decisions?

So it's a business decision ? I thought they were just falling in line with the rest of the media in pushing their woke agenda.

[wisbad1]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.
It’s a business, lose 1/2 of those who agree or disagree. Should keep quiet and take care of business. Mess with the bull, get the horns.

[golfing eagles]

The reason no one mentioned them is there has never been a complaint from any of ghe 60 million visitors per year about their 5 year olds being indoctrinated, just a binch of old gexzers with no 5 year olds.

And no evidence provided supporting the claims

NOBODY claimed Disney was trying to "indoctrinate" 5 year old children when they visit the park. NOBODY. What they did was side with a very small percentage of the population by supporting the LGBTQXYZ community in their opposition to a Florida LAW that prohibited teachers from teaching sexuality to 5-8 year olds. As a publicly traded corporation with a fiduciary responsibility to it's shareholders, this is clearly a foray well outside the parameters of enhancing their profitability, and may well alienate the parents of small children who otherwise might spend money at Disney or on their products. It has nothing to do with "freedom of speech". Someone on the other thread asked "what should a teacher do if a 6 year old student asked why little Johnny has two daddies?". The answer is simple----that's not for your teacher to answer, ask your parents

[wisbad1]

BS

Let's be honest here.

They were not "supporting thousands of employees and millions of guests" They were making a political statement and cow-towing to a very small minority of ________(fill in the blank) that were opposed to a law that prohibited teaching CHILDREN in K-3 (5-8 year olds) about certain sexual behaviors. Of course, those that engage in those behaviors want them to be accepted as normal even by 5 year olds.

So like the spokesperson for the governor's office stated this morning--"If you poke the hornet's nest. sometimes you get stung"
Thank you, !!!!

[MartinSE]

So it's a business decision ? I though they were just falling in line with the rest of the media in pushing their woke agenda.

Oh, okay, I didn't get that email. Thankyou.

Could you provide me with any information about how many of the children of the 500 million guests in the past 10 years have been indoctrinated? How many of their parent filed complaints?

Far I I can tell it NEVER happened until about 2 weeks ago, when DeSantis said something. Then all of a sudden millions of children are being put at risk.

Do you have ANY idea how silly that sounds

[golfing eagles]

Oh, okay, I didn't get that email. Thankyou.

Could you provide me with any information about how many of the children of the 500 million guests in the past 10 years have been indoctrinated? How many of their parent filed complaints?

Far I I can tell it NEVER happened until about 2 weeks ago, when DeSantis said something. Then all of a sudden millions of children are being put at risk.

Do you have ANY idea how silly that sounds

Your answer is 2 posts above yours, #79. You're welcome.

[MartinSE]

NOBODY claimed Disney was trying to "indoctrinate" 5 year old children when they visit the park. NOBODY. What they did was side with a very small percentage of the population by supporting the LGBTQXYZ community in their opposition to a Florida LAW that prohibited teachers from teaching sexuality to 5-8 year olds. As a publicly traded corporation with a fiduciary responsibility to it's shareholders, this is clearly a foray well outside the parameters of enhancing their profitability, and may well alienate the parents of small children who otherwise might spend money at Disney or on their products. It has nothing to do with "freedom of speech". Someone on the other thread asked "what should a teacher do if a 6 year old student asked why little Johnny has two daddies?". The answer is simple----that's not for your teacher to answer, ask your parents

Hmm, okay, so here is a right leaning media, so much for NO ONE is saying Disney is pushing.

Please try to keep your stories straight.

Disney is boasting about pushing 'gender theory' to kids (https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/disney-is-boasting-about-pushing-gender-theory-to-kids/)

[rogerk]

The Villages is a special purpose district, however we are NOT affected by the proposal that would end Disney special status.

[MartinSE]

Your answer is 2 posts above yours, #79. You're welcome.

So, I went back 5 posts, and didn't see a single post stating how many complaints there have been against Disney prior to Don't Say Gay.

[maistocars]

They are being targeted because they stated their opinion. Not allowed in Florida.

Florida does not have state income tax, a big part of the reason is Disney. They bring in 50 million tourists per year. They pay over a billion in income tax per year. They bring in over $75 billion in tourist revenue per year. They employ over 40,000 central Florida residents.

But, they committed a sin, by stating that they support thousands of employees and millions of guests, and worst of all they did it publicly.

So much for fee speech.

I hope they don’t move out of the state, I kind of like not paying state income tax.
Disney move out of state? You can't be serious - they know what side their bread is buttered on. WDW was open while Disneyland was closed for a year or more.

[maistocars]

You get taxes other ways which comes out same or more. There no free lunch.
Totally agree. Our Governor does not take action unless he is 100% positive it will not negatively impact FL taxpayers. I'm very surprised Village Tkr posted the earlier post and only quoted MSN and Democrats in his post. Always get 2 sides of the story and then form your opinion. IMO, Disney should not get special treatment when most others do not.

[jimjamuser]

It may be a constitutional issue of Free Speech addressing the Government which we can disagree with according to the first amendment. In private forums Facebook, Twitter and TOTV or at work, speech can be controlled.
Although the First Amendment says “Congress,” the Supreme Court has held that speakers are protected against all government agencies and officials: federal, state, and local, and legislative, executive, or judicial.
Interpretation: Freedom of Speech and the Press | The National Constitution Center (https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-i/interps/266#:~:text=Although%20the%20First%20Amendment%20s ays,legislative%2C%20executive%2C%20or%20judicial) .
I believe that Facebook and Twitter need to be constrained by an entity like the FCC. There is NO good reason for internet Companies to have special privileges that a Television station does NOT have.

[JMintzer]

The reason no one mentioned them is there has never been a complaint from any of ghe 60 million visitors per year about their 5 year olds being indoctrinated, just a binch of old gexzers with no 5 year olds.

And no evidence provided supporting the claims

You're right... Until this started happening...

Attention Required! | Cloudflare (https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/disney-exec-wants-50-of-all-characters-gay-or-underrepresented/)

And this...

Disney Executives Admit: Of Course We're Grooming Your Children (https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/30/disney-executives-admit-of-course-were-grooming-your-children/)

[debem1@aol.com]

I noticed there was NO WAY for us to answer the things said about Disney and our Governor De Santis. I'm upset about that and chose to write where I could. We have one of the BEST STAND UP Governors we've had in some time!!!!!!!!!!! As for Disney, I am sure this is NOT what Mr. Disney had in mind for HIS park and must be rolling over in his grave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[debem1@aol.com]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

It's NOT a special District for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Goldwingnut]

Getting back to the OP's post, I received the following information from the District Staff this morning:

Governor DeSantis announced in a news conference that in addition to a new congressional map they're voting on this week in a special session, lawmakers "will be considering termination of all independent special districts that were enacted in Florida prior to 1968, and that includes the Reedy Creek Improvement District."

If passed, this dissolution would only affect Chapter 189 special districts enacted in Florida prior to 1968.

First established in the early 1990s, The Villages Community Development Districts were, and will continue to be, formed under Chapter 190 Florida Statutes, and therefore this has no impact on our community.

In fact, there are only five special districts that could potentially be dissolved. They are:

Hamilton County Development Authority
East Point Water and Sewer District (Franklin County)
Bradford County Development Authority
Reedy Creek Improvement District aka Disney (Orange and Osceola Counties)
Sunshine Drainage District (Broward County)
Please visit Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (https://www.flgov.com/) for additional information.


Bottom line is that it does not affect The Villages or the hundreds of other CDDs in the state of Florida.

[jimjamuser]

Maybe not good news for TV.
The Village seems like a special district, so to be FAIR, if Disney World needs to lose its special status then maybe The Village needs to also lose its special status. I would not mind a return to a city type of government - it could (?) be an improvement. I am not an expert on Florida law.........just a layman stating an opinion.
.........But, it seems intuitively obvious that the newest law to punish Disney World will have UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES that will punish some county residents to the tune of an extra tax of over $500. It will discourage future paying Disney customers from coming to Florida (it is like a negative PR program) It will label Florida as a NOT-SO-FRIENDLY-TO-BUSINESS STATE.
........This seems like a "cut off the old nose to spite the face" type of situation. All the parties in this change situation will likely end up looking Bad...... Florida, Disney, and proponents of this new law. Not a win-win, but a lose-lose-lose!

[Bill14564]

You're right... Until this started happening...

Attention Required! | Cloudflare (https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/disney-exec-wants-50-of-all-characters-gay-or-underrepresented/)

And this...

Disney Executives Admit: Of Course We're Grooming Your Children (https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/30/disney-executives-admit-of-course-were-grooming-your-children/)

Perhaps we need to define what the word "indoctrination" means or what Disney is being accused of indoctrinating 5 year olds into. Plus, a lot of it depends on how one chooses to hear what is being said.

In those videos I heard people expressing happiness that Disney was allowing their content to reflect the real world. I didn't hear anyone say that they had a great plan to turn 5 year olds gay or convince them to be transgender - that is what the word "indoctrination" means to me. I heard them say they were grateful at the thought that characters in future shows would be more representative of the population.

Like it or not, when you get outside the bubble there are many LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC people (half the population?). Hoping for more Disney characters that look like your LGBTQIA+ or BIPOC children or grandchildren or grandchildren's friends is not indoctrination to me.

[jimjamuser]

They could, I expect they don’t. It would be very expensive.

As I said. I don’t expect anything will come of it. It seems nothing ever comes of anything any more
I can see this BLOWING UP into a big deal. I talked about unintended consequences. I can imagine that this might keep law firms in work for years - filing lawsuits and defending against said lawsuits. Disney might sue Florida for "REPUTATIONAL DAMAGES". An award in a case like that would be MASSIVE! Disney's employees might be laid off due to this new law and they might bring a class-action lawsuit.
.........There is going to be LARGE legal ramifications!

[jimjamuser]

You are right, I would much rather pay income tax than let Disney steal that. Geez
Ask yourself, "who has the better reputation to protect, Disney or the State of Florida?"

[Spalumbos62]

Great post and right on the money. Amazing not another post here even mentions the innocent 5 year olds that this battle is about nor their parents. Free speech, taxes, money all baloney. Take that woke baloney back to Cali.

I agree that sex teachings at that young age should be done at home and then at the 4th grade level can be introduced. BUT, I do not believe there should be limitations within this teaching..such as if its between heterosexual or homosexual. At the young age it should be 2 people in love...blah,blah.
Let's stop planting homophobic seeds here. It really seems that the ones fighting this so much are homophobic. Seriously, two loving same sex parents raising a child lovingly is so much better than a child being raised in a loveless home with 2 hetero, nonstop fighting parents.
Maybe Disney sees this and embraces it and the stupid one down their pushing his own agenda should butt out.

[Keefelane66]

I can see this BLOWING UP into a big deal. I talked about unintended consequences. I can imagine that this might keep law firms in work for years - filing lawsuits and defending against said lawsuits. Disney might sue Florida for "REPUTATIONAL DAMAGES". An award in a case like that would be MASSIVE! Disney's employees might be laid off due to this new law and they might bring a class-action lawsuit.
.........There is going to be LARGE legal ramifications!
Don’t worry the state tax payers will protect our Governor

[Keefelane66]

Getting back to the OP's post, I received the following information from the District Staff this morning:

Governor DeSantis announced in a news conference that in addition to a new congressional map they're voting on this week in a special session, lawmakers "will be considering termination of all independent special districts that were enacted in Florida prior to 1968, and that includes the Reedy Creek Improvement District."

If passed, this dissolution would only affect Chapter 189 special districts enacted in Florida prior to 1968.

First established in the early 1990s, The Villages Community Development Districts were, and will continue to be, formed under Chapter 190 Florida Statutes, and therefore this has no impact on our community.

In fact, there are only five special districts that could potentially be dissolved. They are:

Hamilton County Development Authority
East Point Water and Sewer District (Franklin County)
Bradford County Development Authority
Reedy Creek Improvement District aka Disney (Orange and Osceola Counties)
Sunshine Drainage District (Broward County)
Please visit Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (https://www.flgov.com/) for additional information.


Bottom line is that it does not affect The Villages or the hundreds of other CDDs in the state of Florida.
Don’t be naïve if it can happen to one it can happen to any. It was a vindictive act against free speech!

[golfing eagles]

Perhaps we need to define what the word "indoctrination" means or what Disney is being accused of indoctrinating 5 year olds into. Plus, a lot of it depends on how one chooses to hear what is being said.

In those videos I heard people expressing happiness that Disney was allowing their content to reflect the real world. I didn't hear anyone say that they had a great plan to turn 5 year olds gay or convince them to be transgender - that is what the word "indoctrination" means to me. I heard them say they were grateful at the thought that characters in future shows would be more representative of the population.

Like it or not, when you get outside the bubble there are many LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC people (half the population?). Hoping for more Disney characters that look like your LGBTQIA+ or BIPOC children or grandchildren or grandchildren's friends is not indoctrination to me.

Half??????? Get real.

[daniel200]

Per this news story (and others), the general obligation bonds issued by the special district where Disney operates will be transferred to Orange county taxpayers if the bill becomes law. This is not Disney debt, but rather debt issued by the special district (Reedy Creek) where Disney operates. There is various estimates of the amount .. but it ranges from $2,500 to $4,000 per tax payer.

Reedy Creek has said they will continue to make bond payments … but if their special district is dissolved as per the bill, they will have no rights to collect monies and the bonds would be transferred to tax payers per the bill.

Google “Reedy Creek bonds” .. lots of news


Disney’s debt is about to be Central Florida taxpayers’ problem – WFTV (https://www.wftv.com/news/local/orange-county/disneys-debt-is-about-be-central-florida-taxpayers-problem/SIDQMVZ55ZED3HH2ATXQYNVIPQ/)

[jimjamuser]

BS

Let's be honest here.

They were not "supporting thousands of employees and millions of guests" They were making a political statement and cow-towing to a very small minority of ________(fill in the blank) that were opposed to a law that prohibited teaching CHILDREN in K-3 (5-8 year olds) about certain sexual behaviors. Of course, those that engage in those behaviors want them to be accepted as normal even by 5 year olds.

So like the spokesperson for the governor's office stated this morning--"If you poke the hornet's nest. sometimes you get stung"
Disney, as a corporation with a legacy of good reputation, has every right to speak out against the "don't say gay law" which may influence many other states to pass a similar law. It is a law about a problem that does NOT EXIST. It's just an exploitation of a conspiracy theory designed to divide America and cause chaos in society and specifically in education - which is fragile now after the Pandemic and many teachers are quitting rather than being sued for their homes and savings.
........It appears that teachers are now the MINORITY OF CHOICE to be dehumanized. First, it was the Muslims, then the long convoy of illegal aliens coming to rape all the US women. Then the small % of Police outlaws decided it was time to start a race war. Now today, the HATERS are concentrating their fire and ire on the defenseless classroom teacher - making laws to prevent problems that don't exist. The next conspiracy theory of the future will be that the teachers are raping their students. Sound unbelievable......remember when the man took a gun to a pizza place that he believed was a center for selling and (eating) children. Where did he get that idea? From some dark HOLE of conspiracy. And ask who originally produces those INSANE ideas
.......Russian history shows that Putin came to power by accusing a Russian official of child abuse. The man was placed in prison with a minimal trial. Putin has used that tactic of claiming child abuse to put away at least 3 of his enemies during his 22-year Dictatorship. Strange how these pediatric abuse scandals in Russia might be migrating to the US?

[golfing eagles]

Disney, as a corporation with a legacy of good reputation, has every right to speak out against the "don't say gay law" which may influence many other states to pass a similar law. It is a law about a problem that does NOT EXIST. It's just an exploitation of a conspiracy theory designed to divide America and cause chaos in society and specifically in education - which is fragile now after the Pandemic and many teachers are quitting rather than being sued for their homes and savings.
........It appears that teachers are now the MINORITY OF CHOICE to be dehumanized. First, it was the Muslims, then the long convoy of illegal aliens coming to rape all the US women. Then the small % of Police outlaws decided it was time to start a race war. Now today, the HATERS are concentrating their fire and ire on the defenseless classroom teacher - making laws to prevent problems that don't exist. The next conspiracy theory of the future will be that the teachers are raping their students. Sound unbelievable......remember when the man took a gun to a pizza place that he believed was a center for selling and (eating) children. Where did he get that idea? From some dark HOLE of conspiracy. And ask who originally produces those INSANE ideas
.......Russian history shows that Putin came to power by accusing a Russian official of child abuse. The man was placed in prison with a minimal trial. Putin has used that tactic of claiming child abuse to put away at least 3 of his enemies during his 22-year Dictatorship. Strange how these pediatric abuse scandals in Russia might be migrating to the US?

Blah, blah, blah.........

All I know is I don't want some teacher, or school board policy to be teaching my 5 year old granddaughter about hetero or homo sex, nor transgenders, or anything in between, and neither do her parents. And Disney has no right to speak out on an issue if it could possibly negatively impact their profits---it would be a breach of fiduciary responsibility by their board of directors.

[jdulej]

Don’t be naïve if it can happen to one it can happen to any. It was a vindictive act against free speech!

You are 100% correct. Some day the pendulum will swing back the other way here and then watch out TV. This sets a scary precedent.

[jimjamuser]

Disney was happy to move California jobs to Lake Nona. Chapek has blundered too many times to keep his job. Don’t know why corporations have to comment on issues that don’t concern them
The reason that some Corporations comment on issues is that some have the GUTS to recognize a problem!

[Bill14564]

Half??????? Get real.

The first three links in a google search plus the census.gov site give the percentage of the population identifying as white, non-hispanic as 58% to 60%. That alone is nearly half.

The information I can find says nearly 3.5% of Americans identify as LGB and another 0.3% identify at T which would make the white, non-hispanic, not LGBT population at 56% to 58%.

So sure, if you don't like "half the population" then let's go with "very nearly half the population"

[jimjamuser]

Let's be more honest. This is NOT a free speech issue. Disney is a publicly traded corporation. As such, it's obligation, in fact it's only legal obligation, is to try to make money for it's shareholders. Does anyone think that Disney is going to enhance it's bottom line by taking a stand in favor of questionable curriculum for 5 year olds???? After all, doesn't Disney stand for family fun and entertainment?
But beyond that, they made the statement that they will spend money to fight similar legislation in other states! That's right, spend SHAREHOLDER money to wage a political battle that flies in the face of what Walt Disney created. I can pretty much guarantee that if they actually spend that money there will be class action lawsuit filed within a day.

BTW, I'm not particularly in favor of overturning these old agreements as retribution, Florida could be cutting off its nose to spite its face

But I like your acquiescence that "corporations are people too":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Funny how I also mentioned that "cutting off the nose to spite the face" saying.

[golfing eagles]

The first three links in a google search plus the census.gov site give the percentage of the population identifying as white, non-hispanic as 58% to 60%. That alone is nearly half.

The information I can find says nearly 3.5% of Americans identify as LGB and another 0.3% identify at T which would make the white, non-hispanic, not LGBT population at 56% to 58%.

So sure, if you don't like "half the population" then let's go with "very nearly half the population"

WHAT?????

Is that some kind of common core math??????

If 3.8% identify as LGBT (3.5 plus 0.3) and 60% are white, that's 2.28% of the population are white LGBTs and 1.52% are non-white LGBTs. Personally, I like the law that caters to the 96.2% of us that don't want this crap taught to our 5 year olds.

[jimjamuser]

Why does anyone have to comment on anything that doesn't concern them? Why do people comment on a woman having an abortion, that is between her and her doctor, but it certainly gets a lot of talking.
Many religions have a "thing" about abortions. But, I remember reading something about the Separation of Church and State in grade school. So, I guess it is not really an issue today?

[jimjamuser]

It never was an issue until Disney spoke out defending LGBTQ rights. Then within days, it's an end of the world issue. I don't know if it is true, but I expect at least a few of the 50 million people that visit Disney every year, might have gone into that airport at some point.

This type of nonsense is having consequences all over the country, with companies moving or transferring people Even the military has announced they will relocate any members that feel threatened by recent laws in-acted in Florida to bases in other states.

Tell me are we great yet?
That fact about the military is just another in a long and growing list of "unintended consequences".

[ElDiabloJoe]

I think everyone, including corporations have a right to free speech which the government can not interfere with except in very carefully defined circumstances - same with people. The circumstances include things like speech that can directly lead to death, national security, etc. All RIGHTS can be regulated.

The right to free speech is a right to speak against the government without being incarcerated. However, that right does not prevent you from feeling consequences for your speech. Additionally, that right does have limits.

I cannot speak freely on FaceBook, since it is not a government entity. I cannot freely say I seek the felonious death of a president. I cannot say how badly the IRS is corrupted, and be protected if they decide to more closely audit my last return. There are limits and consequences to free speech, except incarceration.

[Bill14564]

...

Like it or not, when you get outside the bubble there are many LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC people (half the population?). Hoping for more Disney characters that look like your LGBTQIA+ or BIPOC children or grandchildren or grandchildren's friends is not indoctrination to me.

The first three links in a google search plus the census.gov site give the percentage of the population identifying as white, non-hispanic as 58% to 60%. That alone is nearly half.

The information I can find says nearly 3.5% of Americans identify as LGB and another 0.3% identify at T which would make the white, non-hispanic, not LGBT population at 56% to 58%.

So sure, if you don't like "half the population" then let's go with "very nearly half the population"

WHAT?????

Is that some kind of common core math??????

If 3.8% identify as LGBT (3.5 plus 0.3) and 60% are white, that's 2.28% of the population are white LGBTs and 1.52% are non-white LGBTs. Personally, I like the law that caters to the 96.2% of us that don't want this crap taught to our 5 year olds.

Since you choose to be snarky....

I've included my original post and your highlighting.

1. I didn't claim half the population was LGBTQIA+, as you can see above. I wrote there were many LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC people and wondered if it was half the population

2. If 60% of the population is white, non-hispanic then 40% (100% - 60%) are BIPOC. That is nearly half the population right there.

3. if 3.5% are LGB and 0.3% are T then at least 3.8% are LGBTQIA+. Next, 3.8% of 60% is 2.28% (we'll use 2% to make the math easier). 60% white, non-hispanic less 2% LGBTQ, white, non-hispanic leaves 58% white, non-hispanic, non-LGBTQIA+.

4. If 58% are white, non-hispanic, non-LGBTQUI+ then 100%-58% = 42%, or very nearly half, who are either LGBTQIA+ or BIPOC - which, I think, is what I wrote above.

(snarky comment that didn't move the discussion forward deleted)

You "like the law that caters to the 96.2% of us that don't want this crap taught to our 5 year olds?" I take offense when you direct your misplaced snark at me but even still I cannot believe you are accusing the entire white, LGBTQIA+ population of wanting "this crap" to be taught to 5 year olds! You really don't believe that, do you?

(and as I mentioned earlier, the law says more than just that but I'm concerned about discussing those details under the rules of this forum)

[Babubhat]

This thread belongs in the trash can.

[jimjamuser]

The government of The Villages is based closely on that of the way the Disney developments are financed and governed. The exception I believe is that Disney issues the bond financing to fund their developments, but retains the obligation to repay those bonds. The result is that Disney retains the authority to “govern” the areas using that form of financing.

In the case of The Villages, the obligation to service and repay the bonds used to fund infrastructure development is transferred to home buyers when they close on the purchase of their homes. Governance of The Villages is then transferred to homeowners over a team-year period, after which the homeowners have the authority and responsibility to elect representatives to self-govern.

The question I have is whether the legislation passed yesterday will prevent the issuance of the bonds by The Villages in the first place? That is, will the Developer be required to fund the infrastructure and recreational facilities and then try to repay themselves thru much higher sales prices of new homes?

I haven’t read any analysis of the new Florida law, but it seems to me that it will change the fundamental formula which has permitted over thirty years of successful development of The Villages and rapidly speed the responsibility for providing and all the services normally provided by governmental agencies. The question that follows of course is whether real estate taxes will have to immediately put in place to provide and fund the governance of The Villages which had been provided by the Developer over the initial ten-year period following completion of various phases of the development?

I sure don’t have those answers, max out site seems to follow that the cost of infrastructure development will have to be’ baked in’ to the selling prices of new homes with the residents immediately assuming the responsibility of forming, organizing and paying for all the units of government required.

Somehow, I think, the new law also has to effect residents of The Villages by removing the decision-making currently being provided by The Villages Developer.

An old saying seems to apply… If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Good thoughtful Post. Humpty Dumpty seems to be broken. It may be difficult to put this together again.

[Worldseries27]

as others have mentioned, this particular bill only affects districts in place before 1968 which means it affects disney but would not affect the villages.

The villages is made up of a large number of special districts. To better understand the structure you should really attend the resident academy. That presentation gives a lot of information about how things are set up and how the several districts work with one another to provide services to the villages.

If all our districts were wiped away the counties (sumter, lake, and marion) would suddenly be responsible for providing the services we now use. The maintenance of the town squares, postal stations, recreation centers, pools, roads in the villa sections, flowers in the medians, and gate houses would fall to the county. Wages for the gate guards, recreation department, and community watch would fall to the county. The water, sewer, and irrigation infrastructure would become the county responsibility. And i believe the bond debt would become a county liability.

The county would need to find funding for all of that or the county would drop the services. They might be able to absorb the water and sewer infrastructure and provide service at the same rate we are paying now. Our amenity fee would go away because there would no longer be anyone to collect it. What we now call amenities would become public county facilities. The county could increase taxes to pay for those facilities but the increase would be spread across the entire county and not just the homes north of 44 and east of 301. Maybe the employees that are now paid by the villages would be hired by the county but again, the county would need to collect more taxes in order to pay for those employees.

Dismantling the many special districts that make up the villages would not be easy. "the villages" would cease to exist. Anything paid for now through amenity fees or bond maintenance fees would need to be paid for through county taxes or simply boarded up. The process wouldn't be pretty. I hope i'm long gone before some politician decides to try it.
based on your analysis then all our pools, fields, recreation centers, everything would be open to everyone?

[jimjamuser]

For the same reason you get to comment on things that don't concern you. If you don't like Disney, you're not obligated to go there. If you live in the Villages, the Governor's decision has zero impact on you at all.
There may be unintended consequences that affect TV Land.

[jimjamuser]

So, I will politely ask for you to provide ANY proof that Disney is Grooming. expect this will go the same route as the "Big Lie" - no proof, lots of bluster. And a lot of damage to America, by spreading these lies.

Disney Worlds entire business model is to make guests happy So, you are arguing 50 million guests bring their children to be Groomed, because it makes them happy? If not, how many 5 years olds visit Disney every year without their parents there to protect them. If none, then I guess you believe the GOVERNMENT (DeSantis) has the right to tell parents how they can raise their children. Is that hypocrisy I hear rattling around on this thread?

It is so sad how Fox, NewsMax and OAN can Mae a stupid statement like this and suddenly so many people just echo it.
It is sad! And the origins can be found offshore and are directly related to the current war between Democracy and Dictatorship.

[jmpate]

My understanding about Special Districts is this. That some organizations were provided certain tax advantages when they came to Florida, Disney being one of them. The move to dissolve the "special districts" is because of idiological differences between the Disney management, for one and the people of Florida.

I know of at least 5 grand parents who will never again bring their grandchildren to any Disney entity because of their stance on LGBTQ issues.

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

[jimjamuser]

Agree! Former McDonald's CEO Ed Rensi is partnering with a team of advocacy groups to launch The Boardroom Initiative, a coalition with a mission to push back against U.S. corporations whose boardrooms are becoming too political.

Rensi will serve as executive chairman of the initiative that comprises conservative advocacy group The Job Creators Network founded by Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus along with two other conservative advocacy groups, The Free Enterprise Group and Second Vote. Their stated goal: to defend shareholders and employees of public companies from "woke" policies and ensure corporate accountability.

"Corporations have no business being on the right or the left because they represent everybody there and their sole job is to build equity for their investors" said Rensi.
Corporations need to be at the forefront of ALL progress - economic, scientific, and SOCIAL. Anything less is going backward, anti-progress.

[Bill14564]

based on your analysis then all our pools, fields, recreation centers, everything would be open to everyone?

First, the recent issue does not apply to the Villages so we really don't need to worry about our districts and our pools. Second, I am not a lawyer nor a member of any county board so this is all just my guess.

That said, the pools and other amenities are owned by the district to be used by the residents of the districts. If the district were to no longer exist and all assets and liabilities were turned over to the county then it would make sense that the county would own the pools and they would be open to county residents.

The one catch might be that they amenities sit on land owned by the district. If the district were to be broken up it is possible that the county could not simply take the land and the amenities sitting on it. In that case it all might revert back to the developer who purchased the land in the first place. The developer would then be a large land owner with lots of building, pools, and golf courses who could sell memberships to use those facilities.

But again, this isn't going to happen so it's all just an exercise in "what if."

[jimjamuser]

Have the rules changed????

There are two threads on this topic full of political posts.
Closing off threads only invites one-line posts and little information being spread. Let the people speak to benefit a free society.

[MartinSE]

Many religions have a "thing" about abortions. But, I remember reading something about the Separation of Church and State in grade school. So, I guess it is not really an issue today?

We are supposed to be a secular society. If you look for videos of religious leaders, particularly of the Evangelicals you can find them talking about making the government a theocracy. The steps they are taking right now, attacking anyone that believes different, attacking LGBTQ, attacking atheists, and on and on. They even installed a religious zealot on the Supreme Court. So, much for separation of church and state.

[Bogie Shooter]

Closing off threads only invites one-line posts and little information being spread. Let the people speak to benefit a free society.

Information? No, opinions!

[golfing eagles]

Since you choose to be snarky....

I've included my original post and your highlighting.

1. I didn't claim half the population was LGBTQIA+, as you can see above. I wrote there were many LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC people and wondered if it was half the population

2. If 60% of the population is white, non-hispanic then 40% (100% - 60%) are BIPOC. That is nearly half the population right there.

3. if 3.5% are LGB and 0.3% are T then at least 3.8% are LGBTQIA+. Next, 3.8% of 60% is 2.28% (we'll use 2% to make the math easier). 60% white, non-hispanic less 2% LGBTQ, white, non-hispanic leaves 58% white, non-hispanic, non-LGBTQIA+.

4. If 58% are white, non-hispanic, non-LGBTQUI+ then 100%-58% = 42%, or very nearly half, who are either LGBTQIA+ or BIPOC - which, I think, is what I wrote above.

(snarky comment that didn't move the discussion forward deleted)

You "like the law that caters to the 96.2% of us that don't want this crap taught to our 5 year olds?" I take offense when you direct your misplaced snark at me but even still I cannot believe you are accusing the entire white, LGBTQIA+ population of wanting "this crap" to be taught to 5 year olds! You really don't believe that, do you?

(and as I mentioned earlier, the law says more than just that but I'm concerned about discussing those details under the rules of this forum)

Please don't be offended, but I think you are confusing yourself with your own math. You question whether half the population is LGBTQ then provide a statistic that shows it is only 3.8%. You are fine with points 2-3, but point 4 is vague---you state 40% are either BIPOC or LGBQT, but that is actually 39% BIPOC and ONLY 1% LGBQT. I also never mentioned race as relevant to anything I posted. Do I think every LGBTQ favors teaching sexuality to 5-8 year olds---probably not, but it is the group that protested the law and the group that Disney chose to support over the wishes of the people of Florida by way of their elected representatives.

[jimjamuser]

Well it’s our screwy society, everything that’s going on is like a nightmare. Can’t understand why things can’t be like it used to be. We’re a messed up country!
I could go into more detail.........but, basically we just gradually lost our way. Greed and power ruined our great middle class after WW2.

[jimjamuser]

No, they didn't get penalized for "stating their opinion". They lied about the Parental Notification bill, calling it the "Don't Say Gay" bill when it bans the teaching of ALL sexuality to children in K thru 3rd grade. Disney caved to the radical LGBTQ crowd in condemning the bill. Disney needs to get back to their origin mission of providing wholesome entertainment for families in their Parks and in their movies and quit trying to indoctrinate impressionable children with their WOKE and pro homosexual agenda.
When I see the word "WOKE" then next I usually smell a conspiracy theory!

[jimjamuser]

It wasn't an issue until that very small percentage of the US population started pressuring Disney to take a stand on the matter.
Disney is on the side of "good" people and they are about 60 or 70% of the US!

[golfing eagles]

Disney is on the side of "good" people and they are about 60 or 70% of the US!

You think "good" people want sexuality and its variations taught in schools to 5-8 year olds??? Think again.

[jdulej]

You think "good" people want sexuality and its variations taught in schools to 5-8 year olds??? Think again.

I really don't know how or why people got off track so far that they start to believe the nonsense about anyone wanting to teach children about "sexuality and its variations" beyond acknowledging that some children have two mothers, some have two fathers and that's okay. No one is suggesting teaching children how anyone has sex which is what many seem to think is going on.
This would all be silly if it wasn't so damaging to some. The CRT BS didn't move the needle far enough, so now this made up BS is being floated. What is next week going to bring us, I wonder?

[dougjb]

So...maybe Disney will now stop offering discounts to Florida residents who go to their parks. You know...in kind of retribution for the fact that more Florida citizens voted for the current governor than his opponent.

[JMintzer]

Disney, as a corporation with a legacy of good reputation, has every right to speak out against the "don't say gay law" which may influence many other states to pass a similar law. It is a law about a problem that does NOT EXIST. It's just an exploitation of a conspiracy theory designed to divide America and cause chaos in society and specifically in education - which is fragile now after the Pandemic and many teachers are quitting rather than being sued for their homes and savings.
........It appears that teachers are now the MINORITY OF CHOICE to be dehumanized. First, it was the Muslims, then the long convoy of illegal aliens coming to rape all the US women. Then the small % of Police outlaws decided it was time to start a race war. Now today, the HATERS are concentrating their fire and ire on the defenseless classroom teacher - making laws to prevent problems that don't exist. The next conspiracy theory of the future will be that the teachers are raping their students. Sound unbelievable......remember when the man took a gun to a pizza place that he believed was a center for selling and (eating) children. Where did he get that idea? From some dark HOLE of conspiracy. And ask who originally produces those INSANE ideas
.......Russian history shows that Putin came to power by accusing a Russian official of child abuse. The man was placed in prison with a minimal trial. Putin has used that tactic of claiming child abuse to put away at least 3 of his enemies during his 22-year Dictatorship. Strange how these pediatric abuse scandals in Russia might be migrating to the US?

Your entire rant is based on a false premise. There is no "Don't say gay law"...

[JMintzer]

The reason that some Corporations comment on issues is that some have the GUTS to recognize a problem!

Let's see of they have the guts to face their shareholders who have lost $20 BILLION in stock value since the zoom video became public...

[Bill14564]

Please don't be offended, but I think you are confusing yourself with your own math. You question whether half the population is LGBTQ then provide a statistic that shows it is only 3.8%. You are fine with points 2-3, but point 4 is vague---you state 40% are either BIPOC or LGBQT, but that is actually 39% BIPOC and ONLY 1% LGBQT. I also never mentioned race as relevant to anything I posted. Do I think every LGBTQ favors teaching sexuality to 5-8 year olds---probably not, but it is the group that protested the law and the group that Disney chose to support over the wishes of the people of Florida by way of their elected representatives.

I was replying to the post about the videos of Disney employees supposedly pushing some agenda to indoctrinate children. My point was the Disney employees did not plan to "indoctrinate" anyone, that they were talking both about both LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC representation, and that nearly half the population outside the bubble of the Villages was either LGBTQIA+ or BIPOC. The percentage of that group seems to be 42% to 44% though the true numbers are fuzzy at best.

Any thoughts on whether the wishes of the people of Florida are represented by the State Govt. would certainly violate the rules of this site.

[Madelaine Amee]

Talk, talk, talk and more talk. All you need to know is that someone poked a very large bear with an inexhaustible amount of money for legal representation and this will go on long after the present Gov. has moved on, but the damage may have been done. It could change Florida for ever.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Getting back to the OP's post, I received the following information from the District Staff this morning:

Governor DeSantis announced in a news conference that in addition to a new congressional map they're voting on this week in a special session, lawmakers "will be considering termination of all independent special districts that were enacted in Florida prior to 1968, and that includes the Reedy Creek Improvement District."

If passed, this dissolution would only affect Chapter 189 special districts enacted in Florida prior to 1968.

First established in the early 1990s, The Villages Community Development Districts were, and will continue to be, formed under Chapter 190 Florida Statutes, and therefore this has no impact on our community.

In fact, there are only five special districts that could potentially be dissolved. They are:

Hamilton County Development Authority
East Point Water and Sewer District (Franklin County)
Bradford County Development Authority
Reedy Creek Improvement District aka Disney (Orange and Osceola Counties)
Sunshine Drainage District (Broward County)
Please visit Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (https://www.flgov.com/) for additional information.


Bottom line is that it does not affect The Villages or the hundreds of other CDDs in the state of Florida.

What it DOES do, however, is it sets a precedence. He can say "anything before 1968" today. And if the Villages does something to annoy him next month, he can make a new one to say "anything before 1993." His decision is against the Florida Constitution. That is a legal document, and he is violating his own state's constitution to create a pathway to punishing companies that express an opposing opinion or do things that offend some, while being celebrated by others.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Let's see of they have the guts to face their shareholders who have lost $20 BILLION in stock value since the zoom video became public...

Might want to take a look at the overall history of the stock (DIS). It was under $50/share on average monthly, until December 2012. After that, it consistently went up, spiking to $118 in mid-2015. It dropped a little bit to $92 and some change at the end of 2016, then went up again. It peaked again at the end of 2019/beginning of 2020 at $140-something, then took a nosedive back into the low $90's during the worst of the pandemic in April of 2020. It spike again, March 2021 to just shy of $200/share, and it's been trickling back down since. It's still currently at $121 per share, higher than it was at any point in 2018 or prior.

[golfing eagles]

What it DOES do, however, is it sets a precedence. He can say "anything before 1968" today. And if the Villages does something to annoy him next month, he can make a new one to say "anything before 1993." His decision is against the Florida Constitution. That is a legal document, and he is violating his own state's constitution to create a pathway to punishing companies that express an opposing opinion or do things that offend some, while being celebrated by others.

First of all, it isn't "his" decision. It is an issue that will be decided by the Florida legislature----the elected representatives of the people.
Second, I haven't read the Florida constitution, but I doubt it states anything like once a special district is formed, it can never be rescinded.
Third, "companies" are supposed to make money, not render political opinions.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

First of all, it isn't "his" decision. It is an issue that will be decided by the Florida legislature----the elected representatives of the people.
Second, I haven't read the Florida constitution, but I doubt it states anything like once a special district is formed, it can never be rescinded.
Third, "companies" are supposed to make money, not render political opinions.

Old people are supposed to knit booties and die on their front porches, not render political opinions.

And yet...

[golfing eagles]

Might want to take a look at the overall history of the stock (DIS). It was under $50/share on average monthly, until December 2012. After that, it consistently went up, spiking to $118 in mid-2015. It dropped a little bit to $92 and some change at the end of 2016, then went up again. It peaked again at the end of 2019/beginning of 2020 at $140-something, then took a nosedive back into the low $90's during the worst of the pandemic in April of 2020. It spike again, March 2021 to just shy of $200/share, and it's been trickling back down since. It's still currently at $121 per share, higher than it was at any point in 2018 or prior.

And for a closer look: Disney stock has dropped 13% since the beginning of the month when this nonsense started, which translates to a loss of 30 billion in market capitalization. Perhaps investors are telling Disney something??????

[golfing eagles]

Old people are supposed to knit booties and die on their front porches, not render political opinions.

And yet...

And yet........here we are??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Caymus]

It's still currently at $121 per share, higher than it was at any point in 2018 or prior.

The average company's stock price is higher than at any point in 2018.

[JMintzer]

Might want to take a look at the overall history of the stock (DIS). It was under $50/share on average monthly, until December 2012. After that, it consistently went up, spiking to $118 in mid-2015. It dropped a little bit to $92 and some change at the end of 2016, then went up again. It peaked again at the end of 2019/beginning of 2020 at $140-something, then took a nosedive back into the low $90's during the worst of the pandemic in April of 2020. It spike again, March 2021 to just shy of $200/share, and it's been trickling back down since. It's still currently at $121 per share, higher than it was at any point in 2018 or prior.

No one is talking about 10 years ago...

I specifically was speaking about the significant losses sine the zoom call was made public. Hell, I'm surprised you didn't reference it's ups and downs since it went public in 1957...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And for a closer look: Disney stock has dropped 13% since the beginning of the month when this nonsense started, which translates to a loss of 30 billion in market capitalization. Perhaps investors are telling Disney something??????

Seems to me that there are a good portion of investors who are noticing that the recent spikes could not possibly be self-sustaining, and they're taking this opportunity to sell out.

Of course that causes the spike to reverse. Long-term investors are still making bank on dividends, because they bought when the stocks were under $50/share and they're currently at $120/share.

Same thing happened to my Intel stock several years ago. I lived through a double and a few splits, a nosedive as the result of some failed chip fiasco a dozen or so years back, and my stocks are still around 400% higher than when I first got them over 30 years ago. That's because they've doubled and split multiple times, and I've held onto them instead of panicking and selling. Anyone who bought 1000 shares during the IPO would have 48,000 shares today. The IPO rate was something like $26/share. Current rate is $47.50.

Disney has a longer history, is more publicly known, more identifiable. While most people use Intel whether they're aware of it or not, Disney is the more "known" entity.

On the other hand, my grandmother once offered to buy each of her children and grandchildren 100 shares of EuroDisney (at $15/share). Or we could have $2000 cash. I took the cash. Everyone else lost.

[Papa_lecki]

It’s not permanent - it will be renegotiated back, just not as favorable to Disney.

“The measure would not permanently terminate the Reedy Creek Improvement District, but it would phase it out on June 1, 2023, and allow the special district to reestablish on or after that date.

Disney would be able to go to the state Legislature in Tallahassee next year and request it be reestablished, likely under more limited capabilities and powers.”

[JMintzer]

The average company's stock price is higher than at any point in 2018.

And it is lower than it was in 2019. What's your point? It was worth $20 BILLION more just a few weeks ago... What could have possibly caused it to drop so precipitously?

https://c.tenor.com/e5r8QkDlhJoAAAAC/think-think-think-winnie-the-pooh.gif

[JMintzer]

Seems to me that there are a good portion of investors who are noticing that the recent spikes could not possibly be self-sustaining, and they're taking this opportunity to sell out.

Of course that causes the spike to reverse. Long-term investors are still making bank on dividends, because they bought when the stocks were under $50/share and they're currently at $120/share.

Same thing happened to my Intel stock several years ago. I lived through a double and a few splits, a nosedive as the result of some failed chip fiasco a dozen or so years back, and my stocks are still around 400% higher than when I first got them over 30 years ago. That's because they've doubled and split multiple times, and I've held onto them instead of panicking and selling. Anyone who bought 1000 shares during the IPO would have 48,000 shares today. The IPO rate was something like $26/share. Current rate is $47.50.

Disney has a longer history, is more publicly known, more identifiable. While most people use Intel whether they're aware of it or not, Disney is the more "known" entity.

On the other hand, my grandmother once offered to buy each of her children and grandchildren 100 shares of EuroDisney (at $15/share). Or we could have $2000 cash. I took the cash. Everyone else lost.

Why couldn't the recent spike be sustained? They only recently (but not fully) reopened from the pandemic, the parks and hotels are filled (to their self imposed capacity) and can only get more crowded as Summer comes and the pandemic continues to wane...

To me, that sounds like a recipe for increased stock prices. That is, until they shot themselves in the foot...

[Reiver]

"We are going to severely punish Disney by making them follow the rules that every other business in Florida has to follow."

[Papa_lecki]

If the district wasn’t beneficial to disney, they would have lobbied to get rid it years ago.

[jimjamuser]

Don’t worry the state tax payers will protect our Governor
Great. I was losing sleep at night over that one!

[MartinSE]

"We are going to severely punish Disney by making them follow the rules that every other business in Florida has to follow."

Is there any other company in Florida that brings and average of 60 million guests into Florida every year? Florida live on Tourism. For years when I grew up in S. Florida the weather report was not allowed to tell the truth about rain and temperature if it impacted tourism. The was eventually ended - I think. The point being Florida LIVES by tourism. YOU don't pay state income tax because of tourism.

SO, now, instead of a nebulous "which rules and which other business" just what are you saying?

[jimjamuser]

Blah, blah, blah.........

All I know is I don't want some teacher, or school board policy to be teaching my 5 year old granddaughter about hetero or homo sex, nor transgenders, or anything in between, and neither do her parents. And Disney has no right to speak out on an issue if it could possibly negatively impact their profits---it would be a breach of fiduciary responsibility by their board of directors.
Disney DOES have the right to speak out. In this particular case, it is practically an obligation. They have 40,000 YOUNG employees that have a VESTED INTEREST in America being a continuing Democracy. Stockholders are often only interested in profits and some would sell their country into an autocracy if they thought that they would end up at the top end of the money and POWER pyramid. We are in a unique time period of world history......balanced on an edge between Dictatoships and free countries. Everyone, including Corporations must make a choice!

[jimjamuser]

We are supposed to be a secular society. If you look for videos of religious leaders, particularly of the Evangelicals you can find them talking about making the government a theocracy. The steps they are taking right now, attacking anyone that believes different, attacking LGBTQ, attacking atheists, and on and on. They even installed a religious zealot on the Supreme Court. So, much for separation of church and state.
I agree!

[jimjamuser]

You think "good" people want sexuality and its variations taught in schools to 5-8 year olds??? Think again.
I think that religious wing-nut zealots are the problem in the school systems and ALL of general society.

[jimjamuser]

I really don't know how or why people got off track so far that they start to believe the nonsense about anyone wanting to teach children about "sexuality and its variations" beyond acknowledging that some children have two mothers, some have two fathers and that's okay. No one is suggesting teaching children how anyone has sex which is what many seem to think is going on.
This would all be silly if it wasn't so damaging to some. The CRT BS didn't move the needle far enough, so now this made up BS is being floated. What is next week going to bring us, I wonder?
Liberals eat babies!

[jimjamuser]

Your entire rant is based on a false premise. There is no "Don't say gay law"...
You may call it what you will. I think my version is more true and informative.

[jimjamuser]

Talk, talk, talk and more talk. All you need to know is that someone poked a very large bear with an inexhaustible amount of money for legal representation and this will go on long after the present Gov. has moved on, but the damage may have been done. It could change Florida for ever.
I tend to agree, but we can't be sure what the future offers.

[keepsake]

You and I have to get building permits (permission) for many things on property WE OWN.

Why not Disney ???!

[jimjamuser]

What it DOES do, however, is it sets a precedence. He can say "anything before 1968" today. And if the Villages does something to annoy him next month, he can make a new one to say "anything before 1993." His decision is against the Florida Constitution. That is a legal document, and he is violating his own state's constitution to create a pathway to punishing companies that express an opposing opinion or do things that offend some, while being celebrated by others.
It is an attempt to curry favor with the wing-nut types. And push further forward dark conspiracy theories while making public school teachers into the new most HATED group of the week. Hitler used the Jewish People. Others tried Muslims. It's all about white supremacy waning.

[jimjamuser]

First of all, it isn't "his" decision. It is an issue that will be decided by the Florida legislature----the elected representatives of the people.
Second, I haven't read the Florida constitution, but I doubt it states anything like once a special district is formed, it can never be rescinded.
Third, "companies" are supposed to make money, not render political opinions.
Any given Corporation could decide to forgo profits and just work on improving social issues. They are called non-profits.

[golfing eagles]

Any given Corporation could decide to forgo profits and just work on improving social issues. They are called non-profits.

And Disney is NOT ONE OF THEM!

[golfing eagles]

Disney DOES have the right to speak out. In this particular case, it is practically an obligation. They have 40,000 YOUNG employees that have a VESTED INTEREST in America being a continuing Democracy. Stockholders are often only interested in profits and some would sell their country into an autocracy if they thought that they would end up at the top end of the money and POWER pyramid. We are in a unique time period of world history......balanced on an edge between Dictatoships and free countries. Everyone, including Corporations must make a choice!

And you would be WRONG

Disney’s mission statement is “to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world’s premier entertainment company.

There is no mention of obligation to speak out or venture into a political stance favoring a small minority that objects to a law that an overwhelming majority of people favor. It is NOT a free speech issue, it is NOT a democratic issue, it is simply the scope of what a publicly held corporation should and should not be involved in.

[jdulej]

And you would be WRONG

Disney’s mission statement is “to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world’s premier entertainment company.

There is no mention of obligation to speak out or venture into a political stance favoring a small minority that objects to a law that an overwhelming majority of people favor. It is NOT a free speech issue, it is NOT a democratic issue, it is simply the scope of what a publicly held corporation should and should not be involved in.

I don't think you are looking deep enough into their mission statement. To do any of the goals listed above requires top level creative and satisfied employees. Especially in the entertainment industry, you will not be able to hire those people by standing by and allow such hateful and misguided actions to be enacted without objecting.
The entertainment arm of Disney is nothing without its staff, and those folks have a lot of options right now - Florida not being very high on their list.

[golfing eagles]

I don't think you are looking deep enough into their mission statement. To do any of the goals listed above requires top level creative and satisfied employees. Especially in the entertainment industry, you will not be able to hire those people by standing by and allow such hateful and misguided actions to be enacted without objecting.
The entertainment arm of Disney is nothing without its staff, and those folks have a lot of options right now - Florida not being very high on their list.

WOW, just incredible!!!

Are you stating that disallowing the teaching of sexuality to 5-8 year olds is a "hateful and misguided action"????? That might just be what is wrong with America today, it certainly fits in with both the "woke" and gay agendas.

I think you would find the majority of people think it is a long overdue and necessary action. And to that I submit that the people of Florida, through their elected representatives, voted 70-38 to abolish the Reddy Creek development zone yesterday.

[Diverdave]

I suspect that the article is fear mongering. Disney collects sales tax which they pocket to pay for so.e of their expenses. Now they will have to give that money to the county who will then be responsible for those same expenses. It has been suggested that this could be a net profit for the county as it eliminates a number of duplicate services. Disney may elect to.again raise the price of things but that's what they do consistently. In the last 20 years they have I creased many items over 300%

[Love2Swim]

And you would be WRONG

Disney’s mission statement is “to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world’s premier entertainment company.

There is no mention of obligation to speak out or venture into a political stance favoring a small minority that objects to a law that an overwhelming majority of people favor. It is NOT a free speech issue, it is NOT a democratic issue, it is simply the scope of what a publicly held corporation should and should not be involved in.

Corporations have a history of taking stands on issues they find important, and it is becoming more commonplace as research shows the younger generation prefers to do business with companies that take social stands they believe in. I agree that Disney had an obligation to stand up for the rights and safety of its thousands of employees who are LGBTQ. Be that as it may, the bill was sponsored and passed by the legislature, obviously in retribution, without full disclosure or even understanding of its implications, a knee-jerk reaction if you will.

The debt service for this district is well over one billion dollars. Who is going to take over the bond payments for the infrastructure? Roadway maintenance? Emergency services? Building inspections? This could end up being a tremendous burden on the taxpayers.

This special district was originally set up as a win-win for both the state and for Disney. Disney took over uninhabited land that was just swamp and pasture, invested enormous amounts of money and provided services like roads, power, and water, and ultimately brought millions of tourists to Florida. The economic benefit to Florida is huge and showcases a prosperous business/government partnership. In recent years, Disney has gone above and beyond in giving back to the state. They have plans for a new 80 acre affordable housing development. They had plans to move 2000 jobs from California to Florida at a new Florida campus. They gave $500,000 to the food bank of Central Florida. $500,000 to Toys for Tots....

But dissolution of this partnership could have devastating effects for the state. The counties where the district lies could end up being liable for roads, fire protection, waste management, paying off debts, etc. There really is no precedent for this government retaliation, and the powers that be may find that it backfires on them. Attacking the state's largest employer, coupled with the recent debacle of banning 40% of math textbooks makes Florida looks like a bunch of ignorant wing nuts.

[Brwne]

[QUOTE=daniel200;2086569]Per this news story (and others), the general obligation bonds issued by the special district where Disney operates will be transferred to Orange county taxpayers if the bill becomes law. This is not Disney debt, but rather debt issued by the special district (Reedy Creek) where Disney operates. There is various estimates of the amount .. but it ranges from $2,500 to $4,000 per tax payer.

Reedy Creek has said they will continue to make bond payments … but if their special district is dissolved as per the bill, they will have no rights to collect monies and the bonds would be transferred to tax payers per the bill.

Google “Reedy Creek bonds” .. lots of news

Reedy Creek gets it "monies" from an agreement with Disney for payments in lieu of taxes (taxes to Orange County?). Should the District be dissolved and the outstanding bond debt be "assumed by taxpayers", the law likely provides for property tax assessments against the "assessed value" of Disneyworld, just like the property tax levy on our homes.

Special Districts allow developers to recoup the infrastructure expenditures utilized by the overall development. Disney chose this approach to control and, likely, minimize it's tax expense. I wonder if the true assessed value of Disneyworld multiplied by the Orange County tax rate levy will provide more "monies" or less. I am betting on more.

The Special Districts in TV put the prorata bond amount onto each home at a fixed payment amount for 30 years. If the special Districts kept the bond, they'd levy a tax rate on our homes to get the "monies" to make the bond payment. We've seen, recently, how those levies can increase, sometimes substantially.

[golfing eagles]

Corporations have a history of taking stands on issues they find important, and it is becoming more commonplace as research shows the younger generation prefers to do business with companies that take social stands they believe in. I agree that Disney had an obligation to stand up for the rights and safety of its thousands of employees who are LGBTQ. Be that as it may, the bill was sponsored and passed by the legislature, obviously in retribution, without full disclosure or even understanding of its implications, a knee-jerk reaction if you will.

The debt service for this district is well over one billion dollars. Who is going to take over the bond payments for the infrastructure? Roadway maintenance? Emergency services? Building inspections? This could end up being a tremendous burden on the taxpayers.

This special district was originally set up as a win-win for both the state and for Disney. Disney took over uninhabited land that was just swamp and pasture, invested enormous amounts of money and provided services like roads, power, and water, and ultimately brought millions of tourists to Florida. The economic benefit to Florida is huge and showcases a prosperous business/government partnership. In recent years, Disney has gone above and beyond in giving back to the state. They have plans for a new 80 acre affordable housing development. They had plans to move 2000 jobs from California to Florida at a new Florida campus. They gave $500,000 to the food bank of Central Florida. $500,000 to Toys for Tots....

But dissolution of this partnership could have devastating effects for the state. The counties where the district lies could end up being liable for roads, fire protection, waste management, paying off debts, etc. There really is no precedent for this government retaliation, and the powers that be may find that it backfires on them. Attacking the state's largest employer, coupled with the recent debacle of banning 40% of math textbooks makes Florida looks like a bunch of ignorant wing nuts.

Just an FYI: I've already said I'm not particularly in favor of dissolving Reddy Creek, it is overkill for what Disney did. My only point is that only a small special interest minority (the LGBTQXYZ community and those too "woke" to see the forest for the trees) is against the parent's rights bill that passed, and that Disney should NEVER have spoken out in the first place---it is outside the scope of their mission statement, it is outside the legal obligation of a corporation to pursue profits for its shareholders, and it would make Walt roll over in his grave.

[jdulej]

WOW, just incredible!!!

Are you stating that disallowing the teaching of sexuality to 5-8 year olds is a "hateful and misguided action"????? That might just be what is wrong with America today, it certainly fits in with both the "woke" and gay agendas.

I think you would find the majority of people think it is a long overdue and necessary action. And to that I submit that the people of Florida, through their elected representatives, voted 70-38 to abolish the Reddy Creek development zone yesterday.

Long overdue? Until a couple weeks ago no one had ever heard of the issue. Its a made up dog whistle. The Qanon nuts must be laughing their asses off

[rustyp]

And you would be WRONG

Disney’s mission statement is “to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world’s premier entertainment company.

There is no mention of obligation to speak out or venture into a political stance favoring a small minority that objects to a law that an overwhelming majority of people favor. It is NOT a free speech issue, it is NOT a democratic issue, it is simply the scope of what a publicly held corporation should and should not be involved in.

And how that works is the stockholders have the right to sell their shares if unhappy. That's the public part of publicly held company.

[JMintzer]

You may call it what you will. I think my version is more true and informative.

And you would be wrong. Please cite where in the bill it says (or implies) anything of the sort... I'll wait...

[golfing eagles]

Long overdue? Until a couple weeks ago no one had ever heard of the issue. Its a made up dog whistle. The Qanon nuts must be laughing their asses off

Yes, long overdue. The indoctrination of our youth started 30-40 years ago in our universities and has now filtered down to the grade school level. Finally a state government got fed up and said enough is enough

[JMintzer]

It is an attempt to curry favor with the wing-nut types. And push further forward dark conspiracy theories while making public school teachers into the new most HATED group of the week. Hitler used the Jewish People. Others tried Muslims. It's all about white supremacy waning.

Just like you're doing to "religious zealots"?

[JMintzer]

Long overdue? Until a couple weeks ago no one had ever heard of the issue. Its a made up dog whistle. The Qanon nuts must be laughing their asses off

You must not have being paying attention the what happened in the school boards in VA. Parent s have been getting more involved for some time.

But sure, blame YOUR Boogeyman...

[JMintzer]

And how that works is the stockholders have the right to sell their shares if unhappy. That's the public part of publicly held company.

Sure, sell now that they've lost $35 BILLION (up from a $20 BILLION loss) in value...

[golfing eagles]

And how that works is the stockholders have the right to sell their shares if unhappy. That's the public part of publicly held company.

And since their stock is down 13% and they lost 30 billion in market capitalization since the beginning of the month, perhaps the shareholders have spoken

[MartinSE]

Corporations have a history of taking stands on issues they find important, and it is becoming more commonplace as research shows the younger generation prefers to do business with companies that take social stands they believe in. I agree that Disney had an obligation to stand up for the rights and safety of its thousands of employees who are LGBTQ. Be that as it may, the bill was sponsored and passed by a Republican legislature, obviously in retribution, without full disclosure or even understanding of its implications, a knee-jerk reaction if you will.

The debt service for this district is well over one billion dollars. Who is going to take over the bond payments for the infrastructure? Roadway maintenance? Emergency services? Building inspections? This could end up being a tremendous burden on the taxpayers.

This special district was originally set up as a win-win for both the state and for Disney. Disney took over uninhabited land that was just swamp and pasture, invested enormous amounts of money and provided services like roads, power, and water, and ultimately brought millions of tourists to Florida. The economic benefit to Florida is huge and showcases a prosperous business/government partnership. In recent years, Disney has gone above and beyond in giving back to the state. They have plans for a new 80 acre affordable housing development. They had plans to move 2000 jobs from California to Florida at a new Florida campus. They gave $500,000 to the food bank of Central Florida. $500,000 to Toys for Tots....

But dissolution of this partnership could have devastating effects for the state. The counties where the district lies could end up being liable for roads, fire protection, waste management, paying off debts, etc. There really is no precedent for this government retaliation, and the powers that be may find that it backfires on them. Attacking the state's largest employer, coupled with the recent debacle of banning 40% of math textbooks makes Florida looks like a bunch of ignorant wing nuts.

Good post,

But it won't do any good. Many have made up their minds that by being against "don't say gay" Disney is promoting pedophilia and grooming. At least that is what the right wing news and radical politicians are saying. They don't every ask any questions, if instructed to hate liberals on an issue they dutifully follow orders.

When CRT came up it was first promoted by a religious zealot on Fox as being taught in K-5, mentioning several states. News reporters thought that would be BIG story if true, so they looked, and it wasn't being taught ANYWHERE. It is a college level optional course. So, they have to find things like, heaven forbid, school books with a black child and a white child playing together and call that CRT. CRT is a straw man that the GOP is using to keep their base mad at liberals.

CRT flopped, so, they looked for something else, and Along came a Judge who they claimed gave lenient sentences to pedophiles - except her sentencing was completely in line with guidelines and no different than judges appointed by Trump. But, that didn't slow down the attacks. Over and over they yelled and screamed their anger over pedophiles being loved by a judge. MTG summed it up well, liberals are pedophiles or pedophile supporters.

Well then it must be true. And since Disney was against a law that targets gay, then Disney is a sicko company grooming children. Except, once again, there is NO evidence of grooming, there is no sexual orientation taught in public schools in K-5. Disney has over 58 million guests each year (down for the last two years - can't imagine why) and in the past 10 years, 500 MILLION guests. And no one has complained about grooming, sexual inappropriate, etc, NONE. In fact, just the opposite parents rave about how wonderful the place is to take children. But, you know, Fox said Disney is a sicko company and SUDDENLY the same people that a few weeks ago were dreaming of taking their grad children to Disney are now hating it.

Just pay attention to how often THEY say that K-5 shouldn't teach sex or sexual orientation. But, then think, WHO is saying they do? Where is the evidence? Why are those teachers not being arrested and charged with child abuse? Yet, they aren't and there isn't. As someone earlier in this thread so elegantly put it:

BS

[rustyp]

And since their stock is down 13% and they lost 30 billion in market capitalization since the beginning of the month, perhaps the shareholders have spoken

And there is the check and balance. I promise it does work. Fear and greed the world's two most powerful motivators.

[golfing eagles]

Well then it must be true. And since Disney was against a law that targets gay, then Disney is a sicko company grooming children. Except, once again, there is NO evidence of grooming, there is no sexual orientation taught in public schools in K-5. Disney has over 58 million guests each year (down for the last two years - can't imagine why) and in the past 10 years, 500 MILLION guests. And no one has complained about grooming, sexual inappropriate, etc, NONE. In fact, just the opposite parents rave about how wonderful the place is to take children. But, you know, Fox said Disney is a sicko company and SUDDENLY the same people that a few weeks ago were dreaming of taking their grad children to Disney are now hating it.


Once again, I don't know of anyone who accused Disney of "grooming" their guests. Fantasize much????

And if, as you stated, "there is no sexual orientation taught in public schools in K-5", then the parent's rights law is irrelevant, so why all the LGBQTXYZ and "woke" protests??????

[jdulej]

Good post,

But it won't do any good. Many have made up their minds that by being against "don't say gay" Disney is promoting pedophilia and grooming. At least that is what the right wing news and radical politicians are saying. They don't every ask any questions, if instructed to hate liberals on an issue they dutifully follow orders.

When CRT came up it was first promoted by a religious zealot on Fox as being taught in K-5, mentioning several states. News reporters thought that would be BIG story if true, so they looked, and it wasn't being taught ANYWHERE. It is a college level optional course. So, they have to find things like, heaven forbid, school books with a black child and a white child playing together and call that CRT. CRT is a straw man that the GOP is using to keep their base mad at liberals.

CRT flopped, so, they looked for something else, and Along came a Judge who they claimed gave lenient sentences to pedophiles - except her sentencing was completely in line with guidelines and no different than judges appointed by Trump. But, that didn't slow down the attacks. Over and over they yelled and screamed their anger over pedophiles being loved by a judge. MTG summed it up well, liberals are pedophiles or pedophile supporters.

Well then it must be true. And since Disney was against a law that targets gay, then Disney is a sicko company grooming children. Except, once again, there is NO evidence of grooming, there is no sexual orientation taught in public schools in K-5. Disney has over 58 million guests each year (down for the last two years - can't imagine why) and in the past 10 years, 500 MILLION guests. And no one has complained about grooming, sexual inappropriate, etc, NONE. In fact, just the opposite parents rave about how wonderful the place is to take children. But, you know, Fox said Disney is a sicko company and SUDDENLY the same people that a few weeks ago were dreaming of taking their grad children to Disney are now hating it.

Just pay attention to how often THEY say that K-5 shouldn't teach sex or sexual orientation. But, then think, WHO is saying they do? Where is the evidence? Why are those teachers not being arrested and charged with child abuse? Yet, they aren't and there isn't. As someone earlier in this thread so elegantly put it:

BS

Well said. Unfortunately, you are correct on all points.

[MartinSE]

Once again, I don't know of anyone who accused Disney of "grooming" their guests. Fantasize much????

And if, as you stated, "there is no sexual orientation taught in public schools in K-5", then the parent's rights law is irrelevant, so why all the LGBQTXYZ and "woke" protests??????

It is claimed or insinuated constantly.

It is blatantly a political theater move. As you say, it is irrelevant as far as protecting our children, and your asking why all the protest, then why not ban any teacher from mentioning their partners or their partners sex? That is discrimination.

And to further prove the point, Florida has received a huge amount of push back that the CRT claims of DeSantis are false. So, Florida provided "evidence" of K-5 being indoctrinated with Cat theory - page out of a math book - teaching CRT using model 3 polynomials - in K-5? Seriously, advanced algebra in K-5. Please note, NO WHERE is race mentioned just racial prejudice. I guess racial prejudice can not even be mentioned, sticking our heads in the sand? A factual graph being used as a real life example of how polynomials apply to real life situations. (btw, NOT K-5, at earliest this would be 9th grade but more likely 11 or 12th for advanced algebra.)

BS

[jdulej]

Yes, long overdue. The indoctrination of our youth started 30-40 years ago in our universities and has now filtered down to the grade school level. Finally a state government got fed up and said enough is enough

Well, I guess one persons "indoctrination of our youth" is another persons "let's stop brainwashing them and just teach the truth".

[golfing eagles]

Well, I guess one persons "indoctrination of our youth" is another persons "let's stop brainwashing them and just teach the truth".

So, you think that college professors spouting out socialism and communism and woke cr@p is "teaching the truth"???? Even back in 1976 in an organic chemistry class, the professor spent more time on the Ford-Carter election, "free" healthcare, "free" college tuition, "free" nursing homes and espousing the virtues of Swedish socialism than he did teaching chemistry. Nowadays, mom and dad have to spend $50,000+/year for their kids to be forced to listen to that.

[rustyp]

I heard on the radio that Florida may abolish special districts. Apparently Disney is a special district.

As a newcomer, I am still confused by the political districts in Florida. Would that impact us?

For those who believe it could never happen in TV the lead story in the forbidden online news this AM is "The Villages District Office issues statement indicating it’s not part of DeSantis’ aim at Disney".

First time since in my 15 years in TV have I seen the developer take a stance not on the same page as the republican party. Obviously some concern to prompt this maneuver.

[jdulej]

So, you think that college professors spouting out socialism and communism and woke cr@p is "teaching the truth"???? Even back in 1976 in an organic chemistry class, the professor spent more time on the Ford-Carter election, "free" healthcare, "free" college tuition, "free" nursing homes and espousing the virtues of Swedish socialism than he did teaching chemistry. Nowadays, mom and dad have to spend $50,000+/year for their kids to be forced to listen to that.
Sure, had a few profs like that - we just laughed at them behind their backs. We certainly were not "indoctrinated" other than learning that the tenure process had good and bad sides. Unfortunately, those classes usually ended up a waste of time.

[Bill14564]

Once again, I don't know of anyone who accused Disney of "grooming" their guests. Fantasize much????

And if, as you stated, "there is no sexual orientation taught in public schools in K-5", then the parent's rights law is irrelevant, so why all the LGBQTXYZ and "woke" protests??????

Because the reality of how the law is written and how it is likely to be used is far different from the marketing that was used to sell it to the public. While the word "gay" does not appear in the bill, neither does the word "anti-grooming." The vague wording of the bill makes it frightening to those who have reason to believe it will be used against them.

Interestingly, the vague wording of the bill also opens the possibility of it being used against those who championed it. The law doesn't say gay and it doesn't say trans, the law says sexual orientation. If we can't discuss Sally's two dads because that is grooming or indoctrination or teaching of sexual orientation then how can we discuss Bambi's mother and father, is that not also teaching a sexual orientation?

[golfing eagles]

Sure, had a few profs like that - we just laughed at them behind their backs. We certainly were not "indoctrinated" other than learning that the tenure process had good and bad sides. Unfortunately, those classes usually ended up a waste of time.

See, we can agree on something:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bill14564]

So, you think that college professors spouting out socialism and communism and woke cr@p is "teaching the truth"???? Even back in 1976 in an organic chemistry class, the professor spent more time on the Ford-Carter election, "free" healthcare, "free" college tuition, "free" nursing homes and espousing the virtues of Swedish socialism than he did teaching chemistry. Nowadays, mom and dad have to spend $50,000+/year for their kids to be forced to listen to that.


30-40 years ago I was in college but I sure don't remember my "professors spouting out socialism and communism and woke cr@p." Different degree, different university, different experience I guess.

[MartinSE]

So, you think that college professors spouting out socialism and communism and woke cr@p is "teaching the truth"???? Even back in 1976 in an organic chemistry class, the professor spent more time on the Ford-Carter election, "free" healthcare, "free" college tuition, "free" nursing homes and espousing the virtues of Swedish socialism than he did teaching chemistry. Nowadays, mom and dad have to spend $50,000+/year for their kids to be forced to listen to that.

Back in 1976 a professor rambled on about an election, no doubt for the candidate you weren't.

And that proves something 44 years later?

[golfing eagles]

Because the reality of how the law is written and how it is likely to be used is far different from the marketing that was used to sell it to the public. While the word "gay" does not appear in the bill, neither does the word "anti-grooming." The vague wording of the bill makes it frightening to those who have reason to believe it will be used against them.

Interestingly, the vague wording of the bill also opens the possibility of it being used against those who championed it. The law doesn't say gay and it doesn't say trans, the law says sexual orientation. If we can't discuss Sally's two dads because that is grooming or indoctrination or teaching of sexual orientation then how can we discuss Bambi's mother and father, is that not also teaching a sexual orientation?

Agreed, that is why the law (passed, no longer a bill) states sexual orientation, not specifically targeting ANY ONE sexual orientation. I don't want my 5 year old grandchild getting taught what mommy and daddy do in their bedroom any more than being taught how two men "express their love"

As far as certain groups being "afraid" the law will be used against them----get over it, a lot of things in this world are frightening. And if it actually gets used in that way, there is legal recourse

[golfing eagles]

Back in 1976 a professor rambled on about an election, no doubt for the candidate you weren't.

And that proves something 44 years later?

Yes it does, and it's so obvious I need not explain it.

BTW, I favored Jimmy---something I very much regretted 3 years later

[JMintzer]

Good post,

But it won't do any good. Many have made up their minds that by being against "don't say gay" Disney is promoting pedophilia and grooming. At least that is what the right wing news and radical politicians are saying. They don't every ask any questions, if instructed to hate liberals on an issue they dutifully follow orders.

When CRT came up it was first promoted by a religious zealot on Fox as being taught in K-5, mentioning several states. News reporters thought that would be BIG story if true, so they looked, and it wasn't being taught ANYWHERE. It is a college level optional course. So, they have to find things like, heaven forbid, school books with a black child and a white child playing together and call that CRT. CRT is a straw man that the GOP is using to keep their base mad at liberals.

CRT flopped, so, they looked for something else, and Along came a Judge who they claimed gave lenient sentences to pedophiles - except her sentencing was completely in line with guidelines and no different than judges appointed by Trump. But, that didn't slow down the attacks. Over and over they yelled and screamed their anger over pedophiles being loved by a judge. MTG summed it up well, liberals are pedophiles or pedophile supporters.

Well then it must be true. And since Disney was against a law that targets gay, then Disney is a sicko company grooming children. Except, once again, there is NO evidence of grooming, there is no sexual orientation taught in public schools in K-5. Disney has over 58 million guests each year (down for the last two years - can't imagine why) and in the past 10 years, 500 MILLION guests. And no one has complained about grooming, sexual inappropriate, etc, NONE. In fact, just the opposite parents rave about how wonderful the place is to take children. But, you know, Fox said Disney is a sicko company and SUDDENLY the same people that a few weeks ago were dreaming of taking their grad children to Disney are now hating it.

Just pay attention to how often THEY say that K-5 shouldn't teach sex or sexual orientation. But, then think, WHO is saying they do? Where is the evidence? Why are those teachers not being arrested and charged with child abuse? Yet, they aren't and there isn't. As someone earlier in this thread so elegantly put it:

BS

Tell me you never read the bill without telling me you never read the bill...


P.S. Check out "Libs of TicTock. There are multiple videos (put out by pre-school and K-3 teachers) who are bragging about doing EXACTLY what you're saying they're not doing...

[Bogie Shooter]

For those who believe it could never happen in TV the lead story in the forbidden online news this AM is "The Villages District Office issues statement indicating it’s not part of DeSantis’ aim at Disney".

First time since in my 15 years in TV have I seen the developer take a stance not on the same page as the republican party. Obviously some concern to prompt this maneuver.

I don't see it as taking a stand but stating facts.
The birth of a new conspiracy theory from you?

[jimbomaybe]

Well, I guess one persons "indoctrination of our youth" is another persons "let's stop brainwashing them and just teach the truth".
And what pray tell is that "truth"?

[MartinSE]

Agreed, that is why the law (passed, no longer a bill) states sexual orientation, not specifically targeting ANY ONE sexual orientation. I don't want my 5 year old grandchild getting taught what mommy and daddy do in their bedroom any more than being taught how two men "express their love"

As far as certain groups being "afraid" the law will be used against them----get over it, a lot of things in this world are frightening. And if it actually gets used in that way, there is legal recourse

So, you are okay with a teacher being sued by a parent for mentioning she was going bowling with her HUSBAND after class? Because that is exactly what people are afraid of if the same teacher said she was going bowling with HER WIFE.

[MartinSE]

And what pray tell is that "truth"?

Easy question, in most people "truth" is what they believe. And the older one gets the more certain they are that their TRUTH is the true truth. So, here most people are very convinced.

[golfing eagles]

And what pray tell is that "truth"?

Apparently it's whatever the "MSM", the bicoastal elites, and the Hollyweird crowd spout out. The other 99% of us apparently have no idea what the truth is:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

[ElDiabloJoe]

Corporations need to be at the forefront of ALL progress - economic, scientific, and SOCIAL. Anything less is going backward, anti-progress.

Corporations have little business being on the forefront of anything, except their primary industry as it relates to their reason for existence: Returns to shareholders.

Yes, a corporation like Edwards Lifesciences SHOULD be on the forefront of scientific progress. That is their industry and field, and being on the forefront is how they return to shareholders. A corporation like JP Morgan SHOULD be on the forefront of economic progress, as that is how they create returns to shareholders.

Corporations have ZERO business being anywhere at all involved with social anything, unless they cover Hollywood news or need to stay abreast of the zeitgeist for their movie/tv products to appeal to the masses and generate revenue (id est - returns to shareholders).

Corporations should be as separate from Social reform as church is from state.

[golfing eagles]

Easy question, in most people "truth" is what they believe. And the older one gets the more certain they are that their TRUTH is the true truth. So, here most people are very convinced.

Best post you ever made. So, pot meet kettle:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Corporations have little business being on the forefront of anything, except their primary industry as it relates to their reason for existence: Returns to shareholders.

Yes, a corporation like Edwards Lifesciences SHOULD be on the forefront of scientific progress. That is their industry and field, and being on the forefront is how they return to shareholders. A corporation like JP Morgan SHOULD be on the forefront of economic progress, as that is how they create returns to shareholders.

Corporations have ZERO business being anywhere at all involved with social anything, unless they cover Hollywood news or need to stay abreast of the zeitgeist for their movie/tv products to appeal to the masses and generate revenue (id est - returns to shareholders).

Corporations should be as separate from Social reform as church is from state.

Absolutely, positively 100% correct:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[jimbomaybe]

Easy question, in most people "truth" is what they believe. And the older one gets the more certain they are that their TRUTH is the true truth. So, here most people are very convinced.
Not at all , demonstrated facts, not opinions, logic reason will get as close to the truth as one can get, you weigh those fact and logic and reason on both sides = truth

[golfing eagles]

So, you are okay with a teacher being sued by a parent for mentioning she was going bowling with her HUSBAND after class? Because that is exactly what people are afraid of if the same teacher said she was going bowling with HER WIFE.

Actually, I'm not OK with either scenario---I want the teacher teaching---not discussing their social life, sex life, or after work plans. Besides, the pickleball players will claim her bowling statement is discriminatory and sue!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bill14564]

Agreed, that is why the law (passed, no longer a bill) states sexual orientation, not specifically targeting ANY ONE sexual orientation. I don't want my 5 year old grandchild getting taught what mommy and daddy do in their bedroom any more than being taught how two men "express their love"

As far as certain groups being "afraid" the law will be used against them----get over it, a lot of things in this world are frightening. And if it actually gets used in that way, there is legal recourse

Has your 5 year old grandchild experienced that kind of teaching? Are there any examples of it happening? I have not read of any during the discussions of this law. Then the law was needed not to stop an actual practice but because of the concern/fear that it could happen. But if someone points out that the law allows a bad practice to occur the response is "get over it, a lot of things in this world are frightening."

The parents' "fear" of something being taught in school has been determined to have more value than others' "fear" of being targeted and discriminated against. Having no dog in the fight, I see this as just a bit hypocritical.

If the law prohibited the explanation of the mechanics of sexual practices I would be right there with you. But it doesn't do that, it prohibits the discussion of sexual orientation. Further, it empowers the parents to sue the teacher if the parents feel the discussion violated the new law. I still contend that this would allow a gay parent to sue over reading Bambi in school since the book mentions mother and father and therefore is obviously a discussion that includes sexual orientation. I think that's foolish and I doubt that was the intent of those who wrote the law, but that is one way the law could be interpreted.

[Spalumbos62]

Since you choose to be snarky....

I've included my original post and your highlighting.

1. I didn't claim half the population was LGBTQIA+, as you can see above. I wrote there were many LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC people and wondered if it was half the population

2. If 60% of the population is white, non-hispanic then 40% (100% - 60%) are BIPOC. That is nearly half the population right there.

3. if 3.5% are LGB and 0.3% are T then at least 3.8% are LGBTQIA+. Next, 3.8% of 60% is 2.28% (we'll use 2% to make the math easier). 60% white, non-hispanic less 2% LGBTQ, white, non-hispanic leaves 58% white, non-hispanic, non-LGBTQIA+.

4. If 58% are white, non-hispanic, non-LGBTQUI+ then 100%-58% = 42%, or very nearly half, who are either LGBTQIA+ or BIPOC - which, I think, is what I wrote above.

(snarky comment that didn't move the discussion forward deleted)

You "like the law that caters to the 96.2% of us that don't want this crap taught to our 5 year olds?" I take offense when you direct your misplaced snark at me but even still I cannot believe you are accusing the entire white, LGBTQIA+ population of wanting "this crap" to be taught to 5 year olds! You really don't believe that, do you?

(and as I mentioned earlier, the law says more than just that but I'm concerned about discussing those details under the rules of this forum)

Oh please, get in line, this poster you are speaking of(which btw is commenting under 2 diff names) is the most condensing, self righteous, rudest person, and I'm trying to be kind. He says he holds a degree or two....obviously another lie, and I say this bc he is so degrading and dismissive of others. He then ends his strong hold rants with his stupid emojis laughing. Trust me, he'll come back with a snarky comment to this, as he did to yours..
Oh well..

But I do enjoy your openmindedness.

[Madelaine Amee]

Putting aside all the "opinions" being written on this site, people have forgotten the real reason Disney got this benefit .... it was an incentive to get them to build in Florida. To build in an area of Florida which was literally a sand box. Nobody wanted to move inland in those days, everyone was headed for the breaches.

Any smart attorney (and Disney probably has dozens of them on call) can site this clause and then call the case one of malice for going against the politics in Florida They can then suggest very loudly that if they are denied special privileges granted to them in the 1960s, what about the dozens of other developers who are benefiting from the same clause they were offered.

This is a no win any way you look at it and could end up being disastrous for Florida.

[rustyp]

For those who believe it could never happen in TV the lead story in the forbidden online news this AM is "The Villages District Office issues statement indicating it’s not part of DeSantis’ aim at Disney".

First time since in my 15 years in TV have I seen the developer take a stance not on the same page as the republican party. Obviously some concern to prompt this maneuver.

I don't see it as taking a stand but stating facts.
The birth of a new conspiracy theory from you?

You say toMayto I say toMAHto - It's still a fruit !

[MartinSE]

Best post you ever made. So, pot meet kettle:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I agree, I advice NEVER claimed claimed immunity to believing I am right. However, I do constantly ask for proof I am wrong. And funny thing, I write pages of background and support for my positions, and in response I get, "BS". That certainly educated me.

[MartinSE]

Putting aside all the "opinions" being written on this site, people have forgotten the real reason Disney got this benefit .... it was an incentive to get them to build in Florida. To build in an area of Florida which was literally a sand box. Nobody wanted to move inland in those days, everyone was headed for the breaches.

Any smart attorney (and Disney probably has dozens of them on call) can site this clause and then call the case one of malice for going against the politics in Florida They can then suggest very loudly that if they are denied special privileges granted to them in the 1960s, what about the dozens of other developers who are benefiting from the same clause they were offered.

This is a no win any way you look at it and could end up being disastrous for Florida.

Absolutely. I expect DeSantis will try to hold out until after the election, and then back pedal. But, if there is enough heat (consider what happened to Abbot - Texas Governor) DeSantis may find some other topic to focus on and suddenly you wont hear anything else about protecting our children. It happens over and over.

The sad thing is usually a small amount of truth in any conspiracy, so, that is the foundation supporters fall back on every time the silliness of their position is shown.

[Spalumbos62]

You think "good" people want sexuality and its variations taught in schools to 5-8 year olds??? Think again.

For the love of god. Please put it in perspective and stop with the scare tactic. They are not teaching sex education in these lower grades, it is done with age appropriate language, answering their questions and validating that, yes. It's ok if little Johnny has 2 dad's as parents..he still has a loving household. He's not coming from a freak show...many people are different and that's ok. I really don't understand where all this fear comes from. There's really no problem in the school's its the imagination of the grandparents.
I do believe most educators,doctors whatever believe your sexual preference is something you are born with.

[golfing eagles]

Has your 5 year old grandchild experienced that kind of teaching? Are there any examples of it happening? I have not read of any during the discussions of this law. Then the law was needed not to stop an actual practice but because of the concern/fear that it could happen. But if someone points out that the law allows a bad practice to occur the response is "get over it, a lot of things in this world are frightening."

The parents' "fear" of something being taught in school has been determined to have more value than others' "fear" of being targeted and discriminated against. Having no dog in the fight, I see this as just a bit hypocritical.

If the law prohibited the explanation of the mechanics of sexual practices I would be right there with you. But it doesn't do that, it prohibits the discussion of sexual orientation. Further, it empowers the parents to sue the teacher if the parents feel the discussion violated the new law. I still contend that this would allow a gay parent to sue over reading Bambi in school since the book mentions mother and father and therefore is obviously a discussion that includes sexual orientation. I think that's foolish and I doubt that was the intent of those who wrote the law, but that is one way the law could be interpreted.

The law does not "allow" a bad practice to occur------people create a bad practice, the law is there to prohibit that. Also, I am not aware of any incident of somebody leading a caravan of elephants and giraffes down the center lane of I-75, yet the law prohibits it---I guess you could argue that was an unnecessary law as well. Mechanics, orientation, gender assignment---I don't want any of it taught to 5 year olds.

[golfing eagles]

For the love of god. Please put it in perspective and stop with the scare tactic. They are not teaching sex education in these lower grades, it is done with age appropriate language, answering their questions and validating that, yes. It's ok if little Johnny has 2 dad's as parents..he still has a loving household. He's not coming from a freak show...many people are different and that's ok. I really don't understand where all this fear comes from. There's really no problem in the school's its the imagination of the grandparents.
I do believe most educators,doctors whatever believe your sexual preference is something you are born with.

I think you would find many parents disagree with that characterization

[tophcfa]

So, does this mean there won’t be a bunch of screaming runny nosed kids wearing Mickey Mouse ears kicking the back of my seat on flights to/from Orlando??????

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And you would be WRONG

Disney’s mission statement is “to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world’s premier entertainment company.

There is no mention of obligation to speak out or venture into a political stance favoring a small minority that objects to a law that an overwhelming majority of people favor. It is NOT a free speech issue, it is NOT a democratic issue, it is simply the scope of what a publicly held corporation should and should not be involved in.

Let's notice what it does NOT say:
It doesn't say "..through the power of unparalleled, heavily filtered storytelling, reflecting white-owned brands and the creative conservative minds of only straight white men and women who identify as such, and will never allow their customers to see any other possible variety of human on their property or in their products, thus ensuring that those minority customers are always reminded that their demographic will never be represented, because it's shameful and should be hidden and eliminated from view."

[Bill14564]

I think you would find many parents disagree with that characterization

Those parents are bigots.

[OhioBuckeye]

Yea this is the problem, just because someone has a lot of pocket change they can’t run the country. I bet Walt Disney is trying to bust out of his coffin. Disneyland & their present CEO are way out of hand, they’re not little gods who can dictate or control the U.S. & people’s children! This is socialist or the way Communism control their people. I hope all parents stand up to Disney! God Bless America!

[Spalumbos62]

Yes, long overdue. The indoctrination of our youth started 30-40 years ago in our universities and has now filtered down to the grade school level. Finally a state government got fed up and said enough is enough

Lol.....alittle homophobic????

[golfing eagles]

Let's notice what it does NOT say:
It doesn't say "..through the power of unparalleled, heavily filtered storytelling, reflecting white-owned brands and the creative conservative minds of only straight white men and women who identify as such, and will never allow their customers to see any other possible variety of human on their property or in their products, thus ensuring that those minority customers are always reminded that their demographic will never be represented, because it's shameful and should be hidden and eliminated from view."

Seriously??? No, not even you could be serious about that. It has nothing to do with minorities or demographics or Disney's attractions or products depicting all races or sexual orientations. It has to do with a publicly traded international company with a fiduciary obligation to its shareholders going out of its way to blabber on about a law that affects only teaching in grades K-3 in the state of Florida, which can only have a negative impact on its reputation as a family company and its bottom line.

[golfing eagles]

Those parents are bigots.

Maybe. But they are almost guaranteed to be among the overwhelming majority of parents who don't want sexual orientation taught in school to their 5 year old.
There's a big difference between objecting to or discriminating against a specific sexual orientation (or race, or religion) and objecting to that sexual orientation being taught to 5 year olds.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Seriously??? No, not even you could be serious about that. It has nothing to do with minorities or demographics or Disney's attractions or products depicting all races or sexual orientations. It has to do with a publicly traded international company with a fiduciary obligation to its shareholders going out of its way to blabber on about a law that affects only teaching in grades K-3 in the state of Florida, which can only have a negative impact on its reputation as a family company and its bottom line.

If it's that big of a deal to the shareholders, then the shareholders are free to opt out, or hold a special meeting and take a vote. There's no reason the Florida legislature needs to impose legislation that affects only 5 out of over 1400 special districts in the state, to halt something that the shareholders care about. Especially since most of the shareholders of Disney aren't Florida residents.

This isn't about shareholders. It's about political statements that some folks in the Florida government don't like.

[golfing eagles]

Oh please, get in line, this poster you are speaking of(which btw is commenting under 2 diff names) is the most condensing, self righteous, rudest person, and I'm trying to be kind. He says he holds a degree or two....obviously another lie, and I say this bc he is so degrading and dismissive of others. He then ends his strong hold rants with his stupid emojis laughing. Trust me, he'll come back with a snarky comment to this, as he did to yours..
Oh well..

But I do enjoy your openmindedness.

Thank you, I love you too. Please, let me know the other name I post under so I can see who you are confusing me with. Just seems like there are those that define "snarky" as disagreeing with a position, even when they are dead wrong.

[golfing eagles]

If it's that big of a deal to the shareholders, then the shareholders are free to opt out, or hold a special meeting and take a vote. There's no reason the Florida legislature needs to impose legislation that affects only 5 out of over 1400 special districts in the state, to halt something that the shareholders care about. Especially since most of the shareholders of Disney aren't Florida residents.

This isn't about shareholders. It's about political statements that some folks in the Florida government don't like.

I've already stated twice that I disagree with killing the Reedy Creek special district---seems like overkill. But it is about shareholders and the fiduciary responsibility of the Disney board of directors, and the concept that Disney should not be making political statements in the first place. Also, don't forget that this is a government of the people, by the people and for the people-----and through their elected representatives the people of Florida have spoken. It's simply that certain groups don't like what they said. Who was it that famously quipped "elections have consequences"? Oh, yeah, can't mention it. But Disney's "freedom of speech" has consequences as well, just in this case I agree with you the retribution was too Draconian.

[Madelaine Amee]

In my opinion, this is not about LGBTQ, or Gay lives, or any other different sexual orientation ........... which, by the way, has been happening for years in the dark, never before legalized. It's about punishing a company for speaking out against the legislators.

To those who think you can keep your children and grandchildren safe from all the various forms of sexual orientation, I got news for you, anything you make dirty and dark people really really want to find out about it. Children are not born with hatred it is learned at the knee.

My last minute thought ... What about the children who do have two Dads, legally. I have a six year old granddaughter who has two legal Dads, if the teacher started talking about two Dads from a sexual point of view, she would have no idea what they are talking about.

Common sense, that is what we need a hell of a lot more of in this world. Common Sense.

[Spalumbos62]

I think you would find many parents disagree with that characterization

Which
That kids need love and acceptance.
That people are not taught to be gay
Or that if a child asks a question, in school or at home, it's addressed at that child's age appropriateness.

[golfing eagles]

In my opinion, this is not about LGBTQ, or Gay lives, or any other different sexual orientation ........... which, by the way, has been happening for years in the dark, never before legalized. It's about punishing a company for speaking out against the legislators.

To those who think you can keep your children and grandchildren safe from all the various forms of sexual orientation, I got news for you, anything you make dirty and dark people really really want to find out about it. Children are not born with hatred it is learned at the knee.

Certainly agree-----but not in kindergarten.

[KAM+6]

So, does this mean there won’t be a bunch of screaming runny nosed kids wearing Mickey Mouse ears kicking the back of my seat on flights to/from Orlando??????

You have posted several times that you always drive back and forth because of the dog. I fly a lot, sometimes 5 or 6 hour flights and I have never seen that behavior. Do Mickey Mouse ears really bother you that much.?

[Madelaine Amee]

Certainly agree-----but not in kindergarten.

You really cannot possibly think a kindergarten child is in the least bit interested in sexual orientation. They are more interested in playing and seeing what the kid next door has in their lunch box.

I can tell you that at that age my children had no idea what the word SEX meant.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Play your golf and enjoy your old age, life will go on one way or the other whether you like it or not. All the laws in the land will make no difference.

[MartinSE]

Yea this is the problem, just because someone has a lot of pocket change they can’t run the country. I bet Walt Disney is trying to bust out of his coffin. Disneyland & their present CEO are way out of hand, they’re not little gods who can dictate or control the U.S. & people’s children! This is socialist or the way Communism control their people. I hope all parents stand up to Disney! God Bless America!

Dictate and control. Seriously, a little hyperbolic? They made a statement in opposition for a proposal from the government which DOES affect their employees and guests.

That is all. They have not waged a campaign to promote ANYTHING (unlike DeSantis) they have not refused to allow anyone into the par based on political beliefs. They simply stated their opinion in public.

How horribly unAmerican to state ones opinion in public.

[golfing eagles]

Dictate and control. Seriously, a little hyperbolic? They made a statement in opposition for a proposal from the government which DOES affect their employees and guests.

That is all. They have not waged a campaign to promote ANYTHING (unlike DeSantis) they have not refused to allow anyone into the par based on political beliefs. They simply stated their opinion in public.

How horribly unAmerican to state ones opinion in public.

Unbelievable. First of all , it is no longer a "proposal", it is a LAW.

Second, please explain how a law that prohibits the teaching of sexual orientation to 5-8 year old children affects their "employees and guests"?????

And third, for the 20th time, it is not the obligation of a publicly traded corporation to "state their opinion" and if they do there are possible consequences (such as rescinding the Reedy Creek special district and losing 35 billion in market capitalization), not to mention if their profit decreases due to their "stating their opinion" the entire board of Disney could be sued by its shareholders for breach of fiduciary responsibility.

[jimbomaybe]

If it's that big of a deal to the shareholders, then the shareholders are free to opt out, or hold a special meeting and take a vote. There's no reason the Florida legislature needs to impose legislation that affects only 5 out of over 1400 special districts in the state, to halt something that the shareholders care about. Especially since most of the shareholders of Disney aren't Florida residents.

This isn't about shareholders. It's about political statements that some folks in the Florida government don't like.
This discussion is unavoidably political in the generic sense, there are dollar limits as to how much corps can contribute are there not, how much is the platform , position, presence worth, when "Disney" expresses an opinion?

[MartinSE]

Unbelievable. First of all , it is no longer a "proposal", it is a LAW.

Second, please explain how a law that prohibits the teaching of sexual orientation to 5-8 year old children affects their "employees and guests"?????

And third, for the 20th time, it is not the obligation of a publicly traded corporation to "state their opinion" and if they do there are possible consequences (such as rescinding the Reedy Creek special district and losing 35 billion in market capitalization), not to mention if their profit decreases due to their "stating their opinion" the entire board of Disney could be sued by its shareholders for breach of fiduciary responsibility.

It was a proposal when they made the statement.

The question of how it is a problem has been answered 20 times in this thread alone, and you still bloviate about other stuff, so excuse me if I see n o reason to explain it a 21st time, since you obviously are not interested.

And last, YOU do not get to DICTATE how companies operate. YOU can vote with your dollars and your speech.

Disney is and has been for a long time what is called a Socially Responsible Corporation. So, this comment baby them is completely in line with their publicly held position that corporations have a responsibility to the public to be responsible. If someone owns stock and disagrees with that position, they should not hold stock.

But, you repeated assertion that corporations should not do this is just flat WRONG and BS. And anybody can sue anybody in this country, it seems to be even a recreational pastime. But, any stock holders that want to sue, certainly can, but they will be hard pressed to win, since over 10 years ago, Disney publicly stated their position. Like suing a company for selling Adidas when they were known to sell them before you bought the stock.

The Walt Disney Company - A Leader In Corporate Social Responsibility | Business Chief North America (https://businesschief.com/leadership-and-strategy/walt-disney-company-leader-corporate-social-responsibility)

[golfing eagles]

And last, YOU do not get to DICTATE how companies operate. YOU can vote with your dollars and your speech.


And neither do you---but they are bound by their mission statement, business plan, and the fiduciary responsibility to work for a profit for their shareholders.

There, I've now explained it 21 times----get it yet?????

Somehow, I'm getting the impression that there are those that believe freedom of speech comes without consequences. If you believe that, you can go the middle of Harlem or Watts and start yelling the "N" word or stand in the marketplace of Teheran and recite from the Torah or be a POC and walk down the streets of Mamaroneck carrying a legally registered antique sword and see what happens.

[Caymus]

Disney is and has been for a long time what is called a Socially Responsible Corporation.

Even in China? Have they voiced support for the Uighurs?

Disney criticized for filming '''Mulan''' in China'''s Xinjiang - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/disney-criticized-filming-mulan-chinas-xinjiang-72896528)

[MartinSE]

And neither do you---but they are bound by their mission statement, business plan, and the fiduciary responsibility to work for a profit for their shareholders.

There, I've now explained it 21 times----get it yet?????

Somehow, I'm getting the impression that there are those that believe freedom of speech comes without consequences. If you believe that, you can go the middle of Harlem or Watts and start yelling the "N" word or stand in the marketplace of Teheran and recite from the Torah or be a POC and walk down the streets of Mamaroneck carrying a legally registered antique sword and see what happens.

Just keep deflecting, you IGNORED completely that it is a publicly know fact for over a decade that Disney is a member of the Socially Conscious Corporations. This IS their stated business model. They are doing following what their board voted for. YOU are attempting to dictate a very precise way for them to do business.

Legally if they do anything not in their charter which loses stock holders money they can be sued and held accountable. But, as I said, it is hard to sue someone for doing what they said they were going to do.

But, keep ignore FACTS and keep ranting your position/opinion.

Fact is America does believe in Free speech, to bad you don't. One has to wonder why you hate America so much

[jimbomaybe]

And neither do you---but they are bound by their mission statement, business plan, and the fiduciary responsibility to work for a profit for their shareholders.

There, I've now explained it 21 times----get it yet?????

Somehow, I'm getting the impression that there are those that believe freedom of speech comes without consequences. If you believe that, you can go the middle of Harlem or Watts and start yelling the "N" word or stand in the marketplace of Teheran and recite from the Torah or be a POC and walk down the streets of Mamaroneck carrying a legally registered antique sword and see what happens.

It good business to be "politically correct" otherwise all you get is grief from the media and that will affect the company's bottom line, necessary public relations

[golfing eagles]

Just keep deflecting, you IGNORED completely that it is a publicly know fact for over a decade that Disney is a member of the Socially Conscious Corporations. This IS their stated business model. They are doing following what their board voted for. YOU are attempting to dictate a very precise way for them to do business.

Legally if they do anything not in their charter which loses stock holders money they can be sued and held accountable. But, as I said, it is hard to sue someone for doing what they said they were going to do.

But, keep ignore FACTS and keep ranting your position/opinion.

Fact is America does believe in Free speech, to bad you don't. One has to wonder why you hate America so much

Very hard to diagnose you. Your loss of touch with reality is one of Bleuler's original 5 criteria for schizophrenia, but your prolific posting on multiple subjects with an apparent lack of knowledge would suggest narcissistic personality disorder. I'm going to have to opt for organic personality disorder or a mixed disorder. The good news is that these conditions can be treated. Get help.

PS: Never, NEVER question my patriotism again.

[MartinSE]

Even in China? Have they voiced support for the Uighurs?

Disney criticized for filming '''Mulan''' in China'''s Xinjiang - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/disney-criticized-filming-mulan-chinas-xinjiang-72896528)

I see, so now we start with if they don't do EVERYTHING they can't do anything posts.

And las tI heard Freedom of Speech is one of those things we enjoy here in American, not so much in China. It may surprise you that Disney negotiated with China for a LONG time before building in China. But, fact it a company operating in a country is bound by that countries laws. Right or WRONG.

So, Disney here acts as a socially responsible corporation, and gets blasted by the right for exercising their rights. In China they are a law biding company and they get blasted for that.

Hate rules so many.

[Topspinmo]

They were following the law their special district was created to encourage them to move here. New businesses will look at this when they consider moving here and then they won’t. Florida gives and takes away if you speak out.

But,they didn’t on the issue, that what this all about.

[Topspinmo]

Perhaps we need to define what the word "indoctrination" means or what Disney is being accused of indoctrinating 5 year olds into. Plus, a lot of it depends on how one chooses to hear what is being said.

In those videos I heard people expressing happiness that Disney was allowing their content to reflect the real world. I didn't hear anyone say that they had a great plan to turn 5 year olds gay or convince them to be transgender - that is what the word "indoctrination" means to me. I heard them say they were grateful at the thought that characters in future shows would be more representative of the population.

Like it or not, when you get outside the bubble there are many LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC people (half the population?). Hoping for more Disney characters that look like your LGBTQIA+ or BIPOC children or grandchildren or grandchildren's friends is not indoctrination to me.

1/2 population….. :1rotfl:

[Spalumbos62]

Just keep deflecting, you IGNORED completely that it is a publicly know fact for over a decade that Disney is a member of the Socially Conscious Corporations. This IS their stated business model. They are doing following what their board voted for. YOU are attempting to dictate a very precise way for them to do business.

Legally if they do anything not in their charter which loses stock holders money they can be sued and held accountable. But, as I said, it is hard to sue someone for doing what they said they were going to do.

But, keep ignore FACTS and keep ranting your position/opinion.

Fact is America does believe in Free speech, to bad you don't. One has to wonder why you hate America so much

Thank you, thank you, thank you.....its nice to have a discussion but when one person,over and over, acts like a tyrant, a bully, only his opinion matters, well one would think the monitors would address it....
So sad that certain people just have to be heard, have to control, have to be right.
Food for thought: one, just one nice conversation, exchange,whatever would be nice, but I doubt it will ever happen......and it's sad bc he probably can be witty.
Enjoy this lovely spring.

[Caymus]

I see, so now we start with if they don't do EVERYTHING they can't do anything posts.

And las tI heard Freedom of Speech is one of those things we enjoy here in American, not so much in China. It may surprise you that Disney negotiated with China for a LONG time before building in China. But, fact it a company operating in a country is bound by that countries laws. Right or WRONG.

So, Disney here acts as a socially responsible corporation, and gets blasted by the right for exercising their rights. In China they are a law biding company and they get blasted for that.

Hate rules so many.

So, they are socially conscious when it is convenient?

[dewilson58]

Enjoy this lovely spring.

Don't you jus wanna know his/her prior name?!?!?!?!

:coolsmiley:

[MartinSE]

So, they are socially conscious when it is convenient?

Maybe they take up issues they feel strongly about -

[Spalumbos62]

Very hard to diagnose you. Your loss of touch with reality is one of Bleuler's original 5 criteria for schizophrenia, but your prolific posting on multiple subjects with an apparent lack of knowledge would suggest narcissistic personality disorder. I'm going to have to opt for organic personality disorder or a mixed disorder. The good news is that these conditions can be treated. Get help.

PS: Never, NEVER question my patriotism again.

LOL, LOL. Stop putting out your "self" diagnosis, they may come for you.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Madelaine Amee]

The following is a quote from a Florida legislator and it really says it all:

"It’s still possible, however, that some of the bills legislators approved this week will be undone. Brandes contended that Disney would probably win in the end — and that lawmakers ultimately would probably back down in the face of legal rulings.

“Disney lawyers are better than Florida lawyers,” Brandes said. “They will tie up in court for a decade and then Florida will cry uncle. And it won’t matter because DeSantis will be gone.”

[bgamble3]

Disney has revealed itself as groomers to small children. That info is on You Tube if you care to look it up. They do not deserve to remain tax free which is what they have enjoyed from the taxpayers when they were thought to be an entertainment company.
The elites of Disney were on digital media boasting about how they were going to increase their grooming of children to accept as normal, abnormal sexual activity.
The governor is doing his job and should be commended and supported for having the courage to go after this corporations attack against families and especially small children.:boom:

[jimjamuser]

Unbelievable. First of all , it is no longer a "proposal", it is a LAW.

Second, please explain how a law that prohibits the teaching of sexual orientation to 5-8 year old children affects their "employees and guests"?????

And third, for the 20th time, it is not the obligation of a publicly traded corporation to "state their opinion" and if they do there are possible consequences (such as rescinding the Reedy Creek special district and losing 35 billion in market capitalization), not to mention if their profit decreases due to their "stating their opinion" the entire board of Disney could be sued by its shareholders for breach of fiduciary responsibility.
A law "to prohibit" something that only exists as a conspiracy theory in the minds of culture warriors is a law about a problem that does NOT exist. A law that is a solution to a "make-believe:" problem is a law ginned up to create culture-war controversy and make an impression and get US-wide publicity (under the theory that even BAD publicity is good publicity. V. Putin stated that truth is non-existent and possibilities are endless! maybe this is a case of endless possibilities in Florida.
........Disney simply said that this situation is bizzaro and simply wrongheaded. I come down on Disney's side on this important controversy and I imagine so do most right-thinking Americans.

[jimjamuser]

Corporations have little business being on the forefront of anything, except their primary industry as it relates to their reason for existence: Returns to shareholders.

Yes, a corporation like Edwards Lifesciences SHOULD be on the forefront of scientific progress. That is their industry and field, and being on the forefront is how they return to shareholders. A corporation like JP Morgan SHOULD be on the forefront of economic progress, as that is how they create returns to shareholders.

Corporations have ZERO business being anywhere at all involved with social anything, unless they cover Hollywood news or need to stay abreast of the zeitgeist for their movie/tv products to appeal to the masses and generate revenue (id est - returns to shareholders).

Corporations should be as separate from Social reform as church is from state.
If only the church would stay separate from the state.

[Love2Swim]

Putting aside all the "opinions" being written on this site, people have forgotten the real reason Disney got this benefit .... it was an incentive to get them to build in Florida. To build in an area of Florida which was literally a sand box. Nobody wanted to move inland in those days, everyone was headed for the breaches.

Any smart attorney (and Disney probably has dozens of them on call) can site this clause and then call the case one of malice for going against the politics in Florida They can then suggest very loudly that if they are denied special privileges granted to them in the 1960s, what about the dozens of other developers who are benefiting from the same clause they were offered.

This is a no win any way you look at it and could end up being disastrous for Florida.

Exactly. They invested huge amounts of money into land that was basically swamp and pasture and became the biggest employer in Florida. It was a prime example of public/private partnership. It would certainly give pause to other corporations thinking of coming to the state. Not to mention the tax consequences of this. Disney can hand off all the costs of road maintenance, waste disposal, fire protection, policing, etc. possibly repayment on bonds. And who would be paying those costs? Taxpayers of course. Another dumb move, right up there with banning 40% of math textbooks.

[jimjamuser]

Actually, I'm not OK with either scenario---I want the teacher teaching---not discussing their social life, sex life, or after work plans. Besides, the pickleball players will claim her bowling statement is discriminatory and sue!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Everybody should just stay in their lane - forget American ingenuity - forget creativity. Watch what you say because BIG BROTHER will get you. V. Putin is lowering the iron curtain to keep everyone in their lanes.

[Two Bills]

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[jimjamuser]

Oh please, get in line, this poster you are speaking of(which btw is commenting under 2 diff names) is the most condensing, self righteous, rudest person, and I'm trying to be kind. He says he holds a degree or two....obviously another lie, and I say this bc he is so degrading and dismissive of others. He then ends his strong hold rants with his stupid emojis laughing. Trust me, he'll come back with a snarky comment to this, as he did to yours..
Oh well..

But I do enjoy your openmindedness.
I agree that after a person throws their credentials in your face for say about 4 times........that it begins to make a person want to puke!