Question for Catholics and Lutherans

[Rainger99]

I moved here in summer of 2021. When I first arrived, there was a sign on Meggison just north of Warm Springs that says the spot is the future location of Hope Lutheran Church. There has been no activity in the last 15 months. Does anyone have any idea when they might actually start building the church?

Also, last summer there was a rumor that there was going to be a new Catholic church in the south section. I have not heard anything since the original rumor. Is that still in the works? Or has it been abandoned?

The population in the south is continuing to grow. Since that time, they have built Cason Hammock, St. Johns, Richmond, and Deluna, and they are starting to build Newell and are working on Middleton and Eastport.

[Davonu]

The “south campus” of Hope Lutheran Church is definitely in the works. I’m sure a call or visit to the 466 Hope office would give you details.

[Taltarzac725]

AMAZING GRACE LUTHERAN CHURCH — Amazing Grace Early Center (https://www.amazinggraceelc.org/amazing-grace-lutheran-church)

My parents went here for a while and then received visits from Pastor Rocky at home when needed.

They used to go to Trinity Lutheran which is connected to Amazing Grace. Home - Trinity Lutheran Church (https://www.trinitysummerfield.com/)

[Kenswing]

The “south campus” of Hope Lutheran Church is definitely in the works. I’m sure a call or visit to the 466 Hope office would give you details.
Stop! We're not allowed to suggest that thread starters actually do some independent research and think for themselves. Someone will be along shortly to chastise you.

[dewilson58]

Interesting

Catholics don't look for Lutheran churches.

Lutheran don't look for Catholic churches.

Martin Luther's 95 Theses............Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Aces4]

Interesting

Catholics don't look for Lutheran churches.

Lutheran don't look for Catholic churches.

Martin Luther's 95 Theses............Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


This isn’t the 1960’s anymore. There are two faith families out there and the world isn’t any worse off because of that fact.😉

[dewilson58]

This isn’t the 1960’s anymore. There are two faith families out there and the world isn’t any worse off because of that fact.😉

Not the 60's......................it happened 500 years ago.

There are many faith families out there.....................just a matter if they follow the Bible and God's word or if they make crap up.

:ho:

[Aces4]

Not the 60's......................it happened 500 years ago.

There are many faith families out there.....................just a matter if they follow the Bible and God's word or if they make crap up.

:ho:

The point is that after the sixties, the line between those two faiths softened and realization of one God reigned. If you attend Mass or services these days, you’ll find mostly gray-haired parishioners there.

[dewilson58]

The point is that after the sixties, the line between those two faiths softened and realization of one God reigned. If you attend Mass or services these days, you’ll find mostly gray-haired parishioners there.

Softened is jus "less severe"...........significant differences exist.

Doctrinal Authority: Lutherans believe that only the Holy Scriptures hold authority in determining doctrine; Roman Catholics give doctrinal authority to the Pope, traditions of the church, and the Scriptures.

Justification: Lutherans maintain that salvation comes to humans by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone; Roman Catholics believe that faith must be accompanied by good works for salvation to be achieved.

Head of the Chuch: Lutherans affirm that Christ is the head of the church and that the Pope should not have divine authority over believers; Roman Catholics believe Christ granted supreme authority to the Pope.

Sacraments: Lutherans practice only two sacraments and believe that they are valid only as aids to faith; Roman Catholics claim seven sacraments. Lutherans also reject many elements of Catholic sacraments such as the doctrine of transubstantiation.

Luther was a Bible scholar and believed strongly that all doctrine must be solidly based on Scripture. He rejected the idea that the teaching of the Pope carried the same weight as the Bible. Initially, Luther sought only to reform in the Roman Catholic Church, but Rome held that the office of Pope had been established by Jesus Christ and that the Pope served as Christ's vicar, or representative, on earth. Therefore, the Catholic church rejected any attempts to limit the role of the Pope or cardinals.

There are more, but some things have not "softened".

:beer3:

[Papa_lecki]

Softened is jus "less severe"...........significant differences exist.

Doctrinal Authority: Lutherans believe that only the Holy Scriptures hold authority in determining doctrine; Roman Catholics give doctrinal authority to the Pope, traditions of the church, and the Scriptures.

Justification: Lutherans maintain that salvation comes to humans by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone; Roman Catholics believe that faith must be accompanied by good works for salvation to be achieved.

Head of the Chuch: Lutherans affirm that Christ is the head of the church and that the Pope should not have divine authority over believers; Roman Catholics believe Christ granted supreme authority to the Pope.

Sacraments: Lutherans practice only two sacraments and believe that they are valid only as aids to faith; Roman Catholics claim seven sacraments. Lutherans also reject many elements of Catholic sacraments such as the doctrine of transubstantiation.

Luther was a Bible scholar and believed strongly that all doctrine must be solidly based on Scripture. He rejected the idea that the teaching of the Pope carried the same weight as the Bible. Initially, Luther sought only to reform in the Roman Catholic Church, but Rome held that the office of Pope had been established by Jesus Christ and that the Pope served as Christ's vicar, or representative, on earth. Therefore, the Catholic church rejected any attempts to limit the role of the Pope or cardinals.

There are more, but some things have not "softened".

:beer3:

We officially hit the end of the internet…..we are debating Martin Luther and the pope.
Bring back the dog poop and reverse mortgage threads

[Aces4]

Softened is jus "less severe"...........significant differences exist.

Doctrinal Authority: Lutherans believe that only the Holy Scriptures hold authority in determining doctrine; Roman Catholics give doctrinal authority to the Pope, traditions of the church, and the Scriptures.

Justification: Lutherans maintain that salvation comes to humans by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone; Roman Catholics believe that faith must be accompanied by good works for salvation to be achieved.

Head of the Chuch: Lutherans affirm that Christ is the head of the church and that the Pope should not have divine authority over believers; Roman Catholics believe Christ granted supreme authority to the Pope.

Sacraments: Lutherans practice only two sacraments and believe that they are valid only as aids to faith; Roman Catholics claim seven sacraments. Lutherans also reject many elements of Catholic sacraments such as the doctrine of transubstantiation.

Luther was a Bible scholar and believed strongly that all doctrine must be solidly based on Scripture. He rejected the idea that the teaching of the Pope carried the same weight as the Bible. Initially, Luther sought only to reform in the Roman Catholic Church, but Rome held that the office of Pope had been established by Jesus Christ and that the Pope served as Christ's vicar, or representative, on earth. Therefore, the Catholic church rejected any attempts to limit the role of the Pope or cardinals.

There are more, but some things have not "softened".

:beer3:

Thank you for sharing but you realize that’s not news, lol. I was talking about interfaith marriages, which back in the day, informed children that their non-Catholic parent was going to hell. Thankfully, we are past that admonition and mindset.

[dewilson58]

We officially hit the end of the internet…..we are debating Martin Luther and the pope.
Bring back the dog poop and reverse mortgage threads

Maybe we can squeeze out some catholic dog poop.

:1rotfl:

[Dotneko]

Maybe we can squeeze out some catholic dog poop.

:1rotfl:

Leave it to the likely suspects on totv. Someone asks an innocent question and the pontificators come out like mushrooms after a rain. If you dont have the answer, here's a thought, fingers off the keyboard. No one cares about your sidetracks.
OP - I know there are likely Christians who can answer your question. Sadly, I do not know the timeline.

[Rainger99]

The topic has taken a significant detour from the original question.

I was just trying to find out when new churches were going to be built in the southern area.

I did not want to argue the merits of the Reformation.

[dewilson58]

I was just trying to find out when new churches were going to be built in the southern area.
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Than you have to be smart enough to call Archdiocese and H L C for facts.

They will have the answers for you.

[Rainger99]

Than you have to be smart enough to call Archdiocese and H L C for facts.

They will have the answers for you.

That is usually good advice but from my limited experience down here, it is tough to get straight answers.

I contacted the Orlando Diocese. They did not give me any specifics - much like getting any information from the developer.

I was hoping that insiders - people on church councils, planning boards, etc. - might have the answers.

[Davonu]

OP, check this out…

South (https://hope4all.church/south/)

[Rainger99]

OP, check this out…

South (https://hope4all.church/south/)
Thanks!!

[PugMom]

We officially hit the end of the internet…..we are debating Martin Luther and the pope.
Bring back the dog poop and reverse mortgage threads

:1rotfl::1rotfl::mademyday:

[Iowatransplant]

I moved here in summer of 2021. When I first arrived, there was a sign on Meggison just north of Warm Springs that says the spot is the future location of Hope Lutheran Church. There has been no activity in the last 15 months. Does anyone have any idea when they might actually start building the church?

Also, last summer there was a rumor that there was going to be a new Catholic church in the south section. I have not heard anything since the original rumor. Is that still in the works? Or has it been abandoned?

The population in the south is continuing to grow. Since that time, they have built Cason Hammock, St. Johns, Richmond, and Deluna, and they are starting to build Newell and are working on Middleton and Eastport.

In the mean time you could check out Live Oaks Community Church (Live Oaks Community Church | Live Oaks Community Church (http://www.liveoakschurch.org)) They meet in a building at the south side of the intersection of SR44 and Buena Vista.

Probably the closest church to you.

[talonip]

The point is that after the sixties, the line between those two faiths softened and realization of one God reigned. If you attend Mass or services these days, you’ll find mostly gray-haired parishioners there.
Just went to mass in old parish in Missouri. Couldn’t hear the priest due to all the young baby’s crying.

[PersonOfInterest]

Not the 60's......................it happened 500 years ago.

There are many faith families out there.....................just a matter if they follow the Bible and God's word or if they make crap up.

:ho:

Some might say the Bible and God's word are crap that is made up. So what's the difference?

[dewilson58]

Some might say the Bible and God's word are crap that is made up. So what's the difference?

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Talking about Cath's & Luth's and other Christians...............not talking about non-believers.

Significantly different.

:read:

[Boomer]

I moved here in summer of 2021. When I first arrived, there was a sign on Meggison just north of Warm Springs that says the spot is the future location of Hope Lutheran Church. There has been no activity in the last 15 months. Does anyone have any idea when they might actually start building the church?

Also, last summer there was a rumor that there was going to be a new Catholic church in the south section. I have not heard anything since the original rumor. Is that still in the works? Or has it been abandoned?

The population in the south is continuing to grow. Since that time, they have built Cason Hammock, St. Johns, Richmond, and Deluna, and they are starting to build Newell and are working on Middleton and Eastport.

My Catholic friends sometimes seem a little mystified by us Protestants…….

I always tell them to just look at the root of the word ‘Protestant’ and that explains a lot because countless variations of Protestant denominations have sprung from Martin Luther’s original ‘protest.’ If someone wants to go to a Protestant church, a fit can be found.

For instance, there are 3 different kinds of Lutheran churches — that I know of — might be more.

Hope Lutheran is ELCA. The ELCA allows women to be ordained as pastors. (gasp. ;) ) The ELCA invites all Christians to communion.

The Missouri Synod and the Wisconsin Synod do not allow women as pastors — and they used to have closed communion — but I don’t know if they still do. My guess is probably.

But if you are Lutheran, you already know this stuff — and all the other stuff those differences entail.

If looking for a Protestant denomination that falls nicely between ELCA Lutheran and Catholic, someone searching might find Episcopalian to be a good match.

Episcopalians are sometimes known kiddingly as “Catholic Light” or “Diet Catholic.” I have heard it said that Episcopalians get all of the pageantry with none of the guilt.” Works for me. :)

Boomer

[mad329]

I’m Byzantine Catholic - Christ Lutheran Church was kind enough to offer up space at their facility for our Villages Mission. We’re just a small congregation but we were thankful for their offer and have our liturgies (mass) there every Saturday….

[Marine1974]

Just because someone hands you a glass of poison doesn’t mean you have to drink it . Thankfully God has raised us believers above negative and disrespectful comments about our religious beliefs. Don’t you just love that .

[cmbrown915@gmail.com]

Yes, Hope Lutheran South campus meets at Everglades Rec Center on Sundays at 8 & 10. Construction plans are in progress.

QUOTE=Rainger99;2139205]I moved here in summer of 2021. When I first arrived, there was a sign on Meggison just north of Warm Springs that says the spot is the future location of Hope Lutheran Church. There has been no activity in the last 15 months. Does anyone have any idea when they might actually start building the church?

Also, last summer there was a rumor that there was going to be a new Catholic church in the south section. I have not heard anything since the original rumor. Is that still in the works? Or has it been abandoned?

The population in the south is continuing to grow. Since that time, they have built Cason Hammock, St. Johns, Richmond, and Deluna, and they are starting to build Newell and are working on Middleton and Eastport.[/QUOTE]

[George Page]

An obvious dodge

[donfey]

We officially hit the end of the internet…..we are debating Martin Luther and the pope.
Bring back the dog poop and reverse mortgage threads
Amen.

[wdkm47]

Than you have to be smart enough to call Archdiocese and H L C for facts.

They will have the answers for you.
I found this all very interesting and worth reading.

[kendi]

I moved here in summer of 2021. When I first arrived, there was a sign on Meggison just north of Warm Springs that says the spot is the future location of Hope Lutheran Church. There has been no activity in the last 15 months. Does anyone have any idea when they might actually start building the church?

Also, last summer there was a rumor that there was going to be a new Catholic church in the south section. I have not heard anything since the original rumor. Is that still in the works? Or has it been abandoned?

The population in the south is continuing to grow. Since that time, they have built Cason Hammock, St. Johns, Richmond, and Deluna, and they are starting to build Newell and are working on Middleton and Eastport.

The bishop came to St Vincent DePaul church to announce that land has been purchased in the South for building a new Church. Fr Peter (pastor at the church) said it would likely be another 5 years until it is built. That was about a year ago. Haven’t heard anything since. You might want to inquire at St Vincent DePaul if you have more questions. Originally the plan was to expand St Vincent DePaul’s building because it is bursting at the seams. Over 7000 parishioners. Avg attendance weekly is over 3000. And that’s just one of the Catholic Churches in, by TV. But the plan changed to building a new church in the South for easier travel for those moving into the new areas.

[Geri J.]

Hope Lutheran currently holds Sunday morning services at The Everglades Recreation center at 8am and 10 am. All are welcome, we would love to meet you for worship and fellowship

[Janie123]

Hope Lutheran is actually voting tomorrow afternoon on approving the underground infrastructure package. If you visit Hope Lutheran church on 466, they have displays up in the narthex on the building.

[mlmarr]

I moved here in summer of 2021. When I first arrived, there was a sign on Meggison just north of Warm Springs that says the spot is the future location of Hope Lutheran Church. There has been no activity in the last 15 months. Does anyone have any idea when they might actually start building the church?

Also, last summer there was a rumor that there was going to be a new Catholic church in the south section. I have not heard anything since the original rumor. Is that still in the works? Or has it been abandoned?

The population in the south is continuing to grow. Since that time, they have built Cason Hammock, St. Johns, Richmond, and Deluna, and they are starting to build Newell and are working on Middleton and Eastport.

$$$$ and supplies ..

[Ann Sim]

Softened is jus "less severe"...........significant differences exist.

Doctrinal Authority: Lutherans believe that only the Holy Scriptures hold authority in determining doctrine; Roman Catholics give doctrinal authority to the Pope, traditions of the church, and the Scriptures.

Justification: Lutherans maintain that salvation comes to humans by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone; Roman Catholics believe that faith must be accompanied by good works for salvation to be achieved.

Head of the Chuch: Lutherans affirm that Christ is the head of the church and that the Pope should not have divine authority over believers; Roman Catholics believe Christ granted supreme authority to the Pope.

Sacraments: Lutherans practice only two sacraments and believe that they are valid only as aids to faith; Roman Catholics claim seven sacraments. Lutherans also reject many elements of Catholic sacraments such as the doctrine of transubstantiation.

Luther was a Bible scholar and believed strongly that all doctrine must be solidly based on Scripture. He rejected the idea that the teaching of the Pope carried the same weight as the Bible. Initially, Luther sought only to reform in the Roman Catholic Church, but Rome held that the office of Pope had been established by Jesus Christ and that the Pope served as Christ's vicar, or representative, on earth. Therefore, the Catholic church rejected any attempts to limit the role of the Pope or cardinals.

There are more, but some things have not "softened".

:beer3:
I thank you for the education, being A Cradle Christian , so much has changed!

[Aces4]

An obvious dodge

Are you sure? I was positive it was a Plymouth.:pepper2: