Marines may ban sir and ma’am

[Rainger99]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/)

[tophcfa]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/)

How sad, **** away two million dollars of taxpayers $$ on a report that recommends that? WTF?

[keepsake]

Hard to talk about this matter without getting political. It is 100% political.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

This thread is now on the clock and ticking down fast

[Mrs.Guy]

This thread is now on the clock and ticking down fast

:sad: All you're getting from me is NAME, RANK, SERIAL NUMBER..... and HOW I IDENTIFY TODAY! :lipsrsealed:

[Caymus]

the few the proud the ?

[Velvet]

:sad: All you're getting from me is NAME, RANK, SERIAL NUMBER..... and HOW I IDENTIFY TODAY! :lipsrsealed:

The gender identification is so important in English traditionally, in many languages there is a neutral term for gender in most cases, as the genitals of the person is not their most significant attribute. Not political, it has always been neutral in history. Just saying….

[Keefelane66]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/)
According to The Marine Times
“The lengthy report, commissioned by the Corps from the University of Pittsburgh in 2020 and completed in 2022, points out that half of the military services already have done away with gendered identifiers for training staff.
The Army, Navy, and Coast Guard effectively de-emphasize gender in an integrated environment,” the report states. “Instead of saying ‘ma’am’ or ‘sir,’ recruits in these Services refer to their drill instructors using their ranks or roles followed by their last names. Gendered identifiers prime recruits to think about or visually search for a drill instructor’s gender first, before their rank or role.”

[Calisport]

cousin "it" would be happy about this.

[Two Bills]

Why not call everyone "Gender":shrug:

[Velvet]

Why not call everyone "Gender":shrug:

One doesn’t have to. “It” refers to inanimate objects. The English language uses “they” “them” “their” as plural - gender neutral, all we would need is a singular the same way which would be used when sex is not the most important thing. Eg. “The captain is at the door. Let “them” (except the singular form would be used) in.” Obviously, some terms, such as “mother” “father” would stay gender specific but we do have the words, “parent” “sibling” etc so all is not lost. We could just extend the language a bit as Shakespeare did.

[Taltarzac725]

Not as confusing as he/she and even they for a single human being.

[ThirdOfFive]

Hard to talk about this matter without getting political. It is 100% political.
Disagree. It is 100% idiotic.

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/)
Many of these Marines were trapped in a woman's body. Then they were born.

[Tvflguy]

Personally I DETEST all this politically correct crap. What has happened to our great country? So much time and money is spent on all this.

It’s stupid.

We just got a Thank You email from a 17 year old niece. She signed it with the ‘she/her’ after her name. …..

I really had to rein in my thoughts and words here lest, you know. Don’t want to offend…

[Michael 61]

barfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarf:gc:

[MrFlorida]

Just call everyone " hey you" and save a lot of money .

[tophcfa]

You (whoever this applies to) should show your therapist where on the dolly a "they/them" hurt you.

My therapist has four legs and works for liver treats. Whenever I consult her, she gives me a kiss and asks if we can play some ball or frisbee. Her specialty definitely does not include opinions about gender identity, she will chase the ball regardless of who throws it : )

[Pairadocs]

Hard to talk about this matter without getting political. It is 100% political.

Well maybe, seems many times truly interesting cultural issues are labeled as "politics", yes, I know the difference and that they can merge, but the cultural morays and cultural anthropology of a people is not purely "politics".

Sometimes I think people too often just assume that people of one political persuasion or another (meaning BELONGING to a political party) MAKES them a supporter or a objector to this or that (masks, shots, boosters, pronouns, immigration, on and on), and of course people's political views can nudge the "culture" (meaning the collective of a people) as it evolves, but in my opinion we "jump" too often to explain them politically, when in reality, gradual cultural change has taken place far before anyone even "invented" political parties.. yet there have always been "political views" (just check them out in the Bible), they just may not have been recognized with the term "political". As for the Marines, latest "news" seems to be that it is highly unlikely the USMC will be changing soon, we'll see. In the meantime, Semper Fi from this Marine family !

[manaboutown]

I wonder if a lackluster or inept Marine can still be referred to as a gomer?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My therapist has four legs and works for liver treats. Whenever I consult her, she gives me a kiss and asks if we can play some ball or frisbee. Her specialty definitely does not include opinions about gender identity, she will chase the ball regardless of who throws it : )

Your 4-legged therapist has more wisdom in her ball-chomping jaws than some posters have in their entire bodies. I'm glad she taught you the meaning of acceptance.

Remember kids - you don't have to LIKE the idea of something. But ranting and railing against it, when it has zero impact on you - is just - double-plus un-good.

[Caymus]

I wonder if a lackluster or inept Marine can still be referred to as a gomer?

That could be considered a microaggression.

[fdpaq0580]

Sorry to those who didn't get the chromosomes you wish you had. Sadly, my genes didn't give me the hair, eyes, build, looks and more I wish I would have preferred. But, thanks to political correctness I and you can all demand that we can make the world treat us as if we are something we are not.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sorry to those who didn't get the chromosomes you wish you had. Sadly, my genes didn't give me the hair, eyes, build, looks and more I wish I would have preferred. But, thanks to political correctness I and you can all demand that we can make the world treat us as if we are something we are not.

You can dye, color, cut, perm, straighten your hair. You can wear contact lenses in a multitude of colors. You can gain/lose weight, work out to become more muscular. You can have plastic surgery or find someone to dress you differently if you have trouble expressing yourself with clothing correctly, if that's the "look" you want to change.

When you dye your hair blonde, you become - a blonde. When someone tells you "you have beautiful blonde hair" you don't correct them and insist that it's actually a mousy brown. You thank them for appreciating this thing about you that YOU know that you changed. You don't feel obligated to tell THEM that you changed it.

When someone tells you that your blue eyes are exquisite, you don't correct them and tell them they're actually a brownish hazel. You thank them. Because you are under no obligation to tell them that you are intentionally representing yourself as someone with blue eyes, even though you aren't blue-eyed.

All these things about yourself that you can change, because you feel more "at home" in your own body when you make those changes. And hopefully no one makes fun of you, or thinks less of you, or hates you, or fears you, or avoids you, or tells everyone how horrible you are, just because you made a change about your body that gave you a good feeling about yourself.

[jimbomaybe]

You can dye, color, cut, perm, straighten your hair. You can wear contact lenses in a multitude of colors. You can gain/lose weight, work out to become more muscular. You can have plastic surgery or find someone to dress you differently if you have trouble expressing yourself with clothing correctly, if that's the "look" you want to change.

When you dye your hair blonde, you become - a blonde. When someone tells you "you have beautiful blonde hair" you don't correct them and insist that it's actually a mousy brown. You thank them for appreciating this thing about you that YOU know that you changed. You don't feel obligated to tell THEM that you changed it.

When someone tells you that your blue eyes are exquisite, you don't correct them and tell them they're actually a brownish hazel. You thank them. Because you are under no obligation to tell them that you are intentionally representing yourself as someone with blue eyes, even though you aren't blue-eyed.

All these things about yourself that you can change, because you feel more "at home" in your own body when you make those changes. And hopefully no one makes fun of you, or thinks less of you, or hates you, or fears you, or avoids you, or tells everyone how horrible you are, just because you made a change about your body that gave you a good feeling about yourself.
There are two genders this can be positively determined by genetic tests, this is a fact, facts do not hate ,love or care about politics, pop culture nonsense, one's genetic makeup cannot be changed, a person's sexuality is a profound, pervasive part of us and comes from a very basic component of our being embedded in us at a molecular level.If someone is conflicted , confused about who they are it can certainly be a very bad situation for them and no one should add to their problems, but pretending that this is not a maladjustment, that a person's feeling are paramount to facts is to deny reality , try balancing your checkbook with feelings. Making cosmetic changes to one self do not change the facts just appearance

[Wondering]

How sad, **** away two million dollars of taxpayers $$ on a report that recommends that? WTF?
That's less than a 1 & 1/2 CENTS per working person. WTF are you complaining about!

[Byte1]

When I was in the Marines, every officer (male or female) was addressed as "SIR." Personally, I would not wish to be in the service with gender confused members. If a member of our armed forces is that sensitive, perhaps they should work for the U.S.P.S. instead of the USMC or the USN, etc. That's my opinion and if that offends you, that's not my problem so don't attempt to make it mine. IMO, those sensitive folks that are easily offended should stay in their "safe rooms" if they cannot cope with harsh reality.

[NoMo50]

Just another attempt to placate the underwhelming minority who choose to wake up every day in search of ways to be offended. How lame of an existence is that? I choose not to participate, so they can keep their trophy.

[34gunner]

May my Beloved Corps rest in Peace. USMC 1964-73.

[golfing eagles]

May my Beloved Corps rest in Peace. USMC 1964-73.

Thank you for your service.:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

[toeser]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/)

This is important, but does not go far enough. If we should go to war again (hopefully not), there is a risk of offending the enemy. We need to have protocols set up for how soldiers are to address them as well.

/S

[mikeycereal]

"I disagree."

"X gets the square!"

:duck:

[La lamy]

I have no problem with the new system. If I was a female sergeant I would definitely prefer hearing "YES SERGEANT" versus YES MA'AM.

[CFrance]

Then there’s Stanford University where they have banned the word American. Because there are lots of other countries in The Americas, it could be offensive. Now you have to say, “United States of America.” So I’m no longer an American. I guess they didn’t need any donations from me or my classmates because we are furious.
Stanford University absolutely DID NOT BAN the word "American." Their IT department put out a list of imprecise and potentially harmful words or phrases they would like to see avoided. The University has issued a statement saying this list does not represent University policy.
'American' and 'you guys' among words considered harmful by Stanford group (https://ktla.com/news/american-and-you-guys-among-words-considered-harmful-by-stanford-group/)

Checking before presenting a statement as fact is always a good idea.

[dennisgavin]

That's less than a 1 & 1/2 CENTS per working person. WTF are you complaining about!

and a leaking faucet is only a drip but see how it adds up on your water bill!

[tvbound]

Stanford University absolutely DID NOT BAN the word "American." Their IT department put out a list of imprecise and potentially harmful words or phrases they would like to see avoided. The University has issued a statement saying this list does not represent University policy.
'American' and 'you guys' among words considered harmful by Stanford group (/news/american-and-you-guys-among-words-considered-harmful-by-stanford-group/)

Checking before presenting a statement as fact is always a good idea.


"Checking before presenting a statement as fact is always a good idea."


But, there's nothing like real facts to take away a reason to be outraged at things that don't affect me.

Where's the fun in that? lol

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Then there’s Stanford University where they have banned the word American. Because there are lots of other countries in The Americas, it could be offensive. Now you have to say, “United States of America.” So I’m no longer an American. I guess they didn’t need any donations from me or my classmates because we are furious.

Misinformation. This from Stanford University:

Update on Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative in Stanford’s IT Community | IT Community (https://itcommunity.stanford.edu/news/update-elimination-harmful-language-initiative-stanfords-it-community)

#factsmatter

[Bay Kid]

I'm so politically incorrect I can't talk anymore.

[rjn5656]

The military has gone done the wrong path for quite a while and

is shameful.

[rrtjp]

the few the proud the ?

The few the proud the confused.
WTF!!!!

[ribil]

I keep hoping to wake up from this nightmare.

[Johnsocat]

That's less than a 1 & 1/2 CENTS per working person. WTF are you complaining about!

"A penny saved, is a penny earned."

[HoosierPa]

Personally I DETEST all this politically correct crap. What has happened to our great country? So much time and money is spent on all this.

It’s stupid.

We just got a Thank You email from a 17 year old niece. She signed it with the ‘she/her’ after her name. …..

I really had to rein in my thoughts and words here lest, you know. Don’t want to offend…

Why would you care about offending someone who offended you ? Grow a set.

You have to stand for something or you will fall for anything.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Exactly. Some people always want to say something is political for some reason. The gender identification is so important in English traditionally, in many languages there is a neutral term for gender in most cases, as the genitals of the person is not their most significant attribute. Not political, it has always been neutral in history. Just saying….

[me4vt]

Sergeants are no Ma’am that’s for officers!

[me4vt]

I’m so glad I retired in 1996 because I wouldn’t make it in today’s military! I use to encourage people to join the military but not since about 1998. If a war breaks out today, the only way America stands a chance is pre 2005 Vets pickup arms and Fight!!🇺🇸

[Regorp]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/).

That is just so dumb, sir!! I was in the U.S. Army and using sir or ma'am is simply a show of respect to rank.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Then there’s Stanford University where they have banned the word American. Because there are lots of other countries in The Americas, it could be offensive. Now you have to say, “United States of America.” So I’m no longer an American. I guess they didn’t need any donations from me or my classmates because we are furious.
You are an American but so are those in the other Americas. United States just clarifies which America. It’s not that difficult.

[gettingby]

I can’t believe as Americans we are having this conversation still. I personally will never comply with calling a man a woman or a woman a man. I will be respectful and acknowledge mental illness comes in many forms. Now it’s invading our military.

[Villag]

One doesn’t have to. “It” refers to inanimate objects. The English language uses “they” “them” “their” as plural - gender neutral, all we would need is a singular the same way which would be used when sex is not the most important thing. Eg. “The captain is at the door. Let “them” (except the singular form would be used) in.” Obviously, some terms, such as “mother” “father” would stay gender specific but we do have the words, “parent” “sibling” etc so all is not lost. We could just extend the language a bit as Shakespeare did.


That’s the ultimate end game anyway.

[jimschlaefer]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/)

For 246 years the Marine Corps has been successfully defending America and her citizens and has set the bar for warriors across the world. Now a bunch of academics, probably book learned about leadership in combat and with no real world experience, come in and think they know what will make Marines better killers and warriors. Gimme a break. These pencil necked geeks need to crawl back into their textbooks and hope they never have to deal with real "shots fired in anger".
Semper Fi
1966 - 1970

[Caymus]

I can’t believe as Americans we are having this conversation still. I personally will never comply with calling a man a woman or a woman a man. I will be respectful and acknowledge mental illness comes in many forms. Now it’s invading our military.

Eventually that will be a hate crime.

[waterflower]

SIR---slave i remain....

[nn0wheremann]

:sad: All you're getting from me is NAME, RANK, SERIAL NUMBER..... and HOW I IDENTIFY TODAY! :lipsrsealed:
Name,rank,serial number and pronoun!

[chrissy2231]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/)

I hate being called ma'am. makes me feel like 113 yrs old!

[Steve]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/)

Maybe the recruits should refer to every DI as "Sargent Carter" and every DI should refer to every recruit as "Gomer" or "Private Pyle".

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’m so glad I retired in 1996 because I wouldn’t make it in today’s military! I use to encourage people to join the military but not since about 1998. If a war breaks out today, the only way America stands a chance is pre 2005 Vets pickup arms and Fight!!🇺🇸 what an unbelievable insult to all the young men who have been fighting and dying during those years , you see much combat yourself ?

[Steve]

SIR---slave i remain....

SIR--Some Idiotic Reply

[Chee-Chee]

I need to be referred to as Your majesty. The bow is optional

[Mrs.Guy]

For 246 years the Marine Corps has been successfully defending America and her citizens and has set the bar for warriors across the world. Now a bunch of academics, probably book learned about leadership in combat and with no real world experience, come in and think they know what will make Marines better killers and warriors. Gimme a break. These pencil necked geeks need to crawl back into their textbooks and hope they never have to deal with real "shots fired in anger".
Semper Fi
1966 - 1970

Semper fidelis - Sgt. C.W. Guy '67-'71 :agree:

[Mrs.Guy]

I have no problem with the new system. If I was a female sergeant I would definitely prefer hearing "YES SERGEANT" versus YES MA'AM.

I hate being called ma'am. makes me feel like 113 yrs old!

:laugh: Ma'am is fine...... as long as there isn't a "Wham! Bam! Thank You" in front of it!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

There are all kinds of ways to judge fitness , each service is different including size , but only 1 and 10 soldiers ever sees combat and by quite a few different studies our troops do well , FYI the current commander has been in charge less then 2 years and just won a close fight to give the troops a pay raise over the objections ( well I won’t say more)

[Velvet]

That’s the ultimate end game anyway.

You can’t imagine, you just can’t, how much I ridge at the word “comrade”. My dad was in Russian prison because he would not join the Nazi soldiers. He could not stand their inhumanity. Several of his friends were also imprisoned with him and they died there. My dad was forced to eat his meals sitting on his dead friend’s body as there was absolutely no room. When he finally came home, he was less than 90 lb and his own mother did not recognize him. That is what “comrade” conjures up for me.

[Velvet]

Russia's military will never do this. Because there are Men and Women.

They are laughing at USA and US military.

Obviously, you are not familiar with Russian Communism. My mother was a teacher under Communism (not in Russia but a subjugated country). They taught there is No difference between men and women. The boys were taught home economics, the girls how they could join the army when they got older. Children were taken from their families to be brought up by the state. Those who stayed at home were taught to turn their parents in IF they spoke a word against the government etc. You can’t imagine the degree of unfairness, and state sanctioned cruelty possible until you live under Communism.

[Geodyssey]

The military has gone done the wrong path for quite a while and

is shameful.

Example: The junk F-35.

[fdpaq0580]

SIR---slave i remain....

senior in rank?

[I'm Popeye!]

Hard to talk about this matter without getting political. It is 100% political.

I disagree; it has more to do with "Medical" thinking: many SICK people are out trying to force their disorder onto others.

[fdpaq0580]

:laugh: Ma'am is fine...... as long as there isn't a "Wham! Bam! Thank You" in front of it!

My parents taught me to always say "Thank You".

[fdpaq0580]

I hate being called ma'am. makes me feel like 113 yrs old!

How would you prefer to be addressed by someone who doesn't know you?

[fdpaq0580]

.

That is just so dumb, sir!! I was in the U.S. Army and using sir or ma'am is simply a show of respect to rank.

Navy. Same as you. Show of respect.

[fdpaq0580]

I only hope the Commandant of the Marine Corps grows a pair and doesn’t allow this stupidity. Or am I not being gender neutral enough.

A pair of what? 😯

[JMintzer]

Wow. Such hatred, fear, and loathing of choices other people make about themselves, that has ZERO impact on any of you.

You (whoever this applies to) should show your therapist where on the dolly a "they/them" hurt you.

I mean - I totally get that some of you are incapable of wrapping your narrow minds around the idea that some people don't think the same way you do. But the nastiness in this thread is palpable.

And in case some of you think I'm talking about you - I probably am.

No impact?

Just wait until to accidentally "misgender" someone because there is no way one can keep track of what ever bizarre name they want to be called...

People are losing their jobs, getting fined, possibly arrested, tossed off certain Social Media platforms, etc...


P.S. The last time a "dolly" hurt me it ran over my toe...

[JMintzer]

Your 4-legged therapist has more wisdom in her ball-chomping jaws than some posters have in their entire bodies. I'm glad she taught you the meaning of acceptance.

Remember kids - you don't have to LIKE the idea of something. But ranting and railing against it, when it has zero impact on you - is just - double-plus un-good.

I'm sure the kid working at this video game store didn't think it would have an impact on him, either...

https://youtu.be/W8cJyya1r-A

[golfing eagles]

"You Will Never Be Woke Enough- Just As You Near The Bar, They'll Keep Moving It".
No excuse for being mean to people. But no excuse for constantly heaping shame on the overwhelming majority of "Average" people who don't continually adjust to the constantly changing demands of an extremely small number of people.

BTW Don't waste your time trying to win me over to your argument. You started out by slathering on Shame and that closes the door to my interest in the same way it would have had you insulted my mother.

The sad part is that no amount of Narcan can cure an overdose of "wokeness"

[JMintzer]

Stanford University absolutely DID NOT BAN the word "American." Their IT department put out a list of imprecise and potentially harmful words or phrases they would like to see avoided. The University has issued a statement saying this list does not represent University policy.
'American' and 'you guys' among words considered harmful by Stanford group (https://ktla.com/news/american-and-you-guys-among-words-considered-harmful-by-stanford-group/)

Checking before presenting a statement as fact is always a good idea.

"Checking before presenting a statement as fact is always a good idea."


But, there's nothing like real facts to take away a reason to be outraged at things that don't affect me.

Where's the fun in that? lol

Misinformation. This from Stanford University:

Update on Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative in Stanford’s IT Community | IT Community (https://itcommunity.stanford.edu/news/update-elimination-harmful-language-initiative-stanfords-it-community)

#factsmatter

What's the over/under until this is adopted as an "Official Policy"?

I give it until the the incoming "Freshperson" class of 2023...

[JMintzer]

You are an American but so are those in the other Americas. United States just clarifies which America. It’s not that difficult.

So you prefer "United Statesian"? It really rolls of the tongue...

And all of those other countries in the "Americas" have their own way of identifying themselves... None of which include "American"...

They refer to us as "American", just as those in European, African countries and pretty much every other country does...

[JMintzer]

Sergeants are no Ma’am that’s for officers!

True that! Sergeants work for a living!

[alwann]

I wonder if a lackluster or inept Marine can still be referred to as a gomer?

Ya thttp://https://www.dropbox.com/s/566v24t3lvvlaw1/us-marines-boot-camp-2.jpg?dl=0hink?

[retiredguy123]

No one has pointed out is that this was a 2-year study that only cost $2 million. What a bargain! When does the Government ever get a study done that cheaply? I think it should have cost at least $10 million.

[Mrs.Guy]

A pair of what? 😯

:1rotfl: Reminded me of the old "Tickle Me Elmo" joke.

[Dlpdo]

Hard to talk about this matter without getting political. It is 100% political.
It is 100% not political except for those who want to make it so. It is about courtesy to another human being by addressing them correctly and in the manner that they prefer.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

How would you prefer to be addressed by someone who doesn't know you?

"Excuse me, hello, I'm John Smith. And you are?"

"I'm Mrs. OBB. You can call me Mrs. OBB."

Someone who doesn't know me, should introduce themselves before calling me anything at all. Unless I'm working in a public venue - in which case you would refer to me by whatever it says on my name tag.

[Rainger99]

Stanford University absolutely DID NOT BAN the word "American." Their IT department put out a list of imprecise and potentially harmful words or phrases they would like to see avoided. The University has issued a statement saying this list does not represent University policy.
'American' and 'you guys' among words considered harmful by Stanford group (https://ktla.com/news/american-and-you-guys-among-words-considered-harmful-by-stanford-group/)

Checking before presenting a statement as fact is always a good idea.

This is the IT statement.

We have particularly heard concerns about the guide’s treatment of the term “American.” We understand and appreciate those concerns. To be very clear, not only is the use of the term “American” not banned at Stanford, it is absolutely welcomed. The intent of this particular entry on the EHLI website was to provide perspective on how the term may be imprecise in some specific uses, and to show that in some cases the alternate term “US citizen” may be more precise and appropriate. But, we clearly missed the mark in this presentation.


It sounds like they heard from their alumni.

[dwoodley1975]

It's about time. I am happy they are. I have mistakenly called a Ma'am a Sir and vice verse.

[ddeacon1]

Even after more than 20 years of service, I still to this day use sir/ma'am. I believe it is a sign of respect, although I was raised with some morals. For which, i think has gone by the wayside for many of this younger generations.

[Woodbear]

Personally I DETEST all this politically correct crap. What has happened to our great country? So much time and money is spent on all this.

It’s stupid.

We just got a Thank You email from a 17 year old niece. She signed it with the ‘she/her’ after her name. …..

I really had to rein in my thoughts and words here lest, you know. Don’t want to offend…


The bite marks would be so deep in my tongue, I would be lucky to not bite it off

[Woodbear]

My therapist has four legs and works for liver treats. Whenever I consult her, she gives me a kiss and asks if we can play some ball or frisbee. Her specialty definitely does not include opinions about gender identity, she will chase the ball regardless of who throws it : )

I wonder if my horse could identify as a dog? Sure would be cheaper to keep her in the Villages

[Woodbear]

I'm sure the kid working at this video game store didn't think it would have an impact on him, either...

https://youtu.be/W8cJyya1r-A

Watching that guy go nuts is AWESOME!

[rjn5656]

You probably never served in the Armed Forces.

[Byte1]

"Excuse me, hello, I'm John Smith. And you are?"

"I'm Mrs. OBB. You can call me Mrs. OBB."

Someone who doesn't know me, should introduce themselves before calling me anything at all. Unless I'm working in a public venue - in which case you would refer to me by whatever it says on my name tag.

So, you would be offended if someone that did not know you addressed you as "Ma'am" to get your attention? When a person attempting to get an item from a top shelf asks me to assist her, I don't say "sure" I say "yes, ma'am" out of respect. I have never had anyone suggest that I was being disrespectful. I also use that respect for those younger than me. It has nothing to do with age, even though I normally feel more respect for the aged/mature/senior/experienced...etc. Anyone that feels offended by my show of respect can always decline my assistance.

[Rodneysblue]

After a $2 million report, the Marines are considering a change to prevent misgendering.

Marines may ban 'sir' and 'ma'am' to avoid 'misgendering' (https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/marines-may-ban-sir-and-maam-to-avoid-misgendering/)
Them, they, those or it.

[Bay Kid]

No one has pointed out is that this was a 2-year study that only cost $2 million. What a bargain! When does the Government ever get a study done that cheaply? I think it should have cost at least $10 million.

Hahaha not surprising. Who did the study? Yahoo?

[I'm Popeye!]

Even after more than 20 years of service, I still to this day use sir/ma'am. I believe it is a sign of respect, although I was raised with some morals. For which, i think has gone by the wayside for many of this younger generations.

Here is the PROBLEM with our Military:

[golfing eagles]

So, here we are on Christmas Day, and while bombs are dropping in the Ukraine, children are starving in Africa, COVID runs rampant in China and basic human rights are being trampled in such paradises as N. Korea and Iran, we have people, some even on this thread, that will be offended if they are addressed by the "wrong" pronoun. What a joke, and certainly a first world "problem".

Let's make this simple---the English language has 3 third person singular pronouns----he, she, and it. Everyone should just pick one and shut up, there are bigger problems in the world.

PS: How many starving children could have food and clean water for the $ 2 million it cost us, the taxpayer, to study this crap?

[alwann]

Here is the PROBLEM with our Military:

How can they be seen? Same deal with attachment on my post.

[dwoodley1975]

The problem is most are afraid of change. Change is going to happen with you or without you if you are one that is open to new ways. The world is going to pass you by.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So, here we are on Christmas Day, and while bombs are dropping in the Ukraine, children are starving in Africa, COVID runs rampant in China and basic human rights are being trampled in such paradises as N. Korea and Iran, we have people, some even on this thread, that will be offended if they are addressed by the "wrong" pronoun. What a joke, and certainly a first world "problem".

Let's make this simple---the English language has 3 third person singular pronouns----he, she, and it. Everyone should just pick one and shut up, there are bigger problems in the world.

PS: How many starving children could have food and clean water for the $ 2 million it cost us, the taxpayer, to study this crap?

How many starving people have you fed recently?

How many threads about feeding starving children have you started, in an attempt to get support for it?

THIS thread is about pronouns. And no, the English language doesn't have only three third person singular pronouns. They/them has been used for centuries when referring to a generic person of no specified gender.

You see someone of medium height half a block away, wearing a non-specific outfit, you can't tell if they have boobs or not, and they have a hood raised to cover their hair and shadow their face. You have no idea if it's male or female. But you do know they're carrying a duffel bag with cash falling out of it.

Do you tell the cops it was some guy in a hoodie? Or do you say "it was a humanoid with its hood raised and it was carrying a duffel bag?" Or do you tell the cops "I saw a person with their hood up, couldn't tell anything more about them?"

[golfing eagles]

How many starving people have you fed recently?

How many threads about feeding starving children have you started, in an attempt to get support for it?

THIS thread is about pronouns. And no, the English language doesn't have only three third person singular pronouns. They/them has been used for centuries when referring to a generic person of no specified gender.

You see someone of medium height half a block away, wearing a non-specific outfit, you can't tell if they have boobs or not, and they have a hood raised to cover their hair and shadow their face. You have no idea if it's male or female. But you do know they're carrying a duffel bag with cash falling out of it.

Do you tell the cops it was some guy in a hoodie? Or do you say "it was a humanoid with its hood raised and it was carrying a duffel bag?" Or do you tell the cops "I saw a person with their hood up, couldn't tell anything more about them?"

Today's grammar lesson: "They/them" is a PLEURAL pronoun, not singular, so there are 3. And we are NOT talking about people whose identity is hidden from view. Woke up, please---oh no, you already did---I mean wake up:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Today's grammar lesson: "They/them" is a PLEURAL pronoun, not singular, so there are 3. And we are NOT talking about people whose identity is hidden from view. Woke up, please---oh no, you already did---I mean wake up:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Wake up to current reality. Like it or not, time moves on, with or without you. And by time moves on, I mean from at least the year 1375. They/them are, and have been, used as singular pronouns when the person is either unnamed, or their gender is otherwise unspecified.

A brief history of singular ‘they’ | Oxford English Dictionary (https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/)

Also - while you're in a dictionary, learn how to spell plural.

[golfing eagles]

Wake up to current reality. Like it or not, time moves on, with or without you. And by time moves on, I mean from at least the year 1375. They/them are, and have been, used as singular pronouns when the person is either unnamed, or their gender is otherwise unspecified.

A brief history of singular ‘they’ | Oxford English Dictionary (https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/)

Also - while you're in a dictionary, learn how to spell plural.

Sorry you didn't understand the pun: pleural is the adjective that describes the linings of the lungs----actually visceral pleura covers the lungs and parietal pleura lines the chest cavity. This pronoun nonsense takes my breath away as well as causing chest pain as in pleuritis. Hint---try a medical dictionary:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And unless you have an archaic Middle English dictionary, "they" is still plural. Perhaps it's singular in the California Dictionary of Wokeness.

I also hope you realize all this back and forth jabbing debate is all just in good fun. Merry Christmas

[tophcfa]

Let's make this simple---the English language has 3 third person singular pronouns----he, she, and it. Everyone should just pick one and shut up, there are bigger problems in the world.

I prefer to keep things even simpler, everyone could just be referred to as dude.

Merry Christmas Dude : )

[golfing eagles]

I prefer to keep things even simpler, everyone could just be referred to as dude.

Merry Christmas Dude : )

But what if the dude is transitioning to a dudette or vice versa. The we have to "politely ask" what pronoun they "prefer" lest we "offend" them. For you and I, we couldn't care less. But for a professor or a corporate employee there can be consequences. My favorite is that "they"/"it" can change their "preferred pronoun" at any time and WE are supposed to keep up. Still couldn't care less, but THE MARINES?????? . What's next?---a free speech zone????? Perhaps all this woke crap can be written into the rules of engagement. For example, you can shoot an enemy that used the wrong pronoun, but surrender to "them" if they asked you first. In fact, why attack with bombs and missiles, just hurl improper pronouns at them---then they can cry and surrender.

[tophcfa]

But what if the dude is transitioning to a dudette or vice versa. The we have to "politely ask" what pronoun they "prefer" lest we "offend" them. For you and I, we couldn't care less. But for a professor or a corporate employee there can be consequences. My favorite is that "they"/"it" can change their "preferred pronoun" at any time and WE are supposed to keep up. Still couldn't care less, but THE MARINES?????? . What's next?---a free speech zone????? Perhaps all this woke crap can be written into the rules of engagement. For example, you can shoot an enemy that used the wrong pronoun, but surrender to "them" if they asked you first. In fact, why attack with bombs and missiles, just hurl improper pronouns at them---then they can cry and surrender.

You got that right dude, you and I couldn’t care less. So happy we are retired and don’t have to give a crap who we might offend. I will die before I woke, whatever the he// that is? I totally agree that the Marines, of all people, should be given a free pass on all this crap. If your skin is so thin that you are offended by a pronoun, how in the world are you going to defend our country from the ruthlessness of the likes of Putin?

[Badger 2006]

"Excuse me, hello, I'm John Smith. And you are?"

"I'm Mrs. OBB. You can call me Mrs. OBB."

Someone who doesn't know me, should introduce themselves before calling me anything at all. Unless I'm working in a public venue - in which case you would refer to me by whatever it says on my name tag.

Looks like we are going to need a rule book, possibly online class certification before we can speak to another.

[Badger 2006]

The problem is most are afraid of change. Change is going to happen with you or without you if you are one that is open to new ways. The world is going to pass you by.

No Sir or No Mam or No ? Not on this one

[Badger 2006]

I prefer to keep things even simpler, everyone could just be referred to as dude.

Merry Christmas Dude : )

Could there be a dudette, and a dudeitte to complete the singular theme to give us more to choose from?

[JMintzer]

I prefer to keep things even simpler, everyone could just be referred to as dude.

Merry Christmas Dude : )

https://media4.giphy.com/media/GXMuvJXWVqGiY/giphy.gif

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sorry you didn't understand the pun: pleural is the adjective that describes the linings of the lungs----actually visceral pleura covers the lungs and parietal pleura lines the chest cavity. This pronoun nonsense takes my breath away as well as causing chest pain as in pleuritis. Hint---try a medical dictionary:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And unless you have an archaic Middle English dictionary, "they" is still plural. Perhaps it's singular in the California Dictionary of Wokeness.

I also hope you realize all this back and forth jabbing debate is all just in good fun. Merry Christmas

It's obvious to me that you aren't quite grasping that I find no humor in your "jabbing" at all. When people weaponize words, it's not funny. It's insulting.

PROUDLY woke - and sad to see so much bigotry and fear in this community.

[JMintzer]

It's obvious to me that you aren't quite grasping that I find no humor in your "jabbing" at all. When people weaponize words, it's not funny. It's insulting.

PROUDLY woke - and sad to see so much bigotry and fear in this community.

Also sad to see so much "virtue signaling"...

[JGVillages]

It's obvious to me that you aren't quite grasping that I find no humor in your "jabbing" at all. When people weaponize words, it's not funny. It's insulting.

PROUDLY woke - and sad to see so much bigotry and fear in this community.

Seems that your belief is “Sir” and “Mam” are weaponized words and need to be corrected. To the majority this is, as you say, insulting.
Proudly not woke or bigoted, and certainly not in fear.

[golfing eagles]

It's obvious to me that you aren't quite grasping that I find no humor in your "jabbing" at all. When people weaponize words, it's not funny. It's insulting.

PROUDLY woke - and sad to see so much bigotry and fear in this community.

Your loss.

And proudly woke????? Is that the oxymoron of the month?????

[Woodbear]

I prefer to keep things even simpler, everyone could just be referred to as dude.

Merry Christmas Dude : )

I prefer to be addressed as Intellectually Superior

[jimbomaybe]

It's obvious to me that you aren't quite grasping that I find no humor in your "jabbing" at all. When people weaponize words, it's not funny. It's insulting.

PROUDLY woke - and sad to see so much bigotry and fear in this community.
The best antidote to bigotry , fear ( hate?) is to point out the errors in fact, faults in logic ,reason, doing this exposes the hollow weaponization of words

[Lindsyburnsy]

Easy to say if one is a male. As a female please don’t call me “Sir”.

[I'm Popeye!]

It's obvious to me that you aren't quite grasping that I find no humor in your "jabbing" at all. When people weaponize words, it's not funny. It's insulting.

PROUDLY woke - and sad to see so much bigotry and fear in this community.

Don't like your community or neighbors:
As AMERICAN, You can always pack your bags and move the San Francisco. :wave: waving good-bye

[fdpaq0580]

Easy to say if one is a male. As a female please don’t call me “Sir”.

As you wish, Ma'am.

[Byte1]

I guess we can say "Man" when speaking to a male or female. If it is a female, "man" is short for "woman" in this case. So, for those that feel "WOKE" I'll just address you as "Man" as in "Hey Man." If in an informal setting, I will use the term "Dude." I figure "Dude" can also be short for "Dudette" in the case of addressing a female. If the person in Non-binary, I will just use the greeting "Hey Dog" so as not to limit that, it or what to a male or female gender. That should satisfy all the "Woke" and bra-less anarchists that insist that it is only their world and we just free load a ride on it.
Please identify yourself as "WOKE" with a sign so that the majority of us NORMAL citizens can make special concessions for you. After all, as good citizens we do not wish to offend anyone, or do we say any-it, or maybe anything?

[Number 10 GI]

I refuse to grant legitimacy to pronouns dreamed up by mentally ill people. Dance around it all you want but they do have mental health issues.

[JMintzer]

Easy to say if one is a male. As a female please don’t call me “Sir”.

Shirley you jest...

[mike234]

When I was in the Marines, every officer (male or female) was addressed as "SIR." Personally, I would not wish to be in the service with gender confused members. If a member of our armed forces is that sensitive, perhaps they should work for the U.S.P.S. instead of the USMC or the USN, etc. That's my opinion and if that offends you, that's not my problem so don't attempt to make it mine. IMO, those sensitive folks that are easily offended should stay in their "safe rooms" if they cannot cope with harsh reality.
I go out of my way to offend people...

[JMintzer]

I go out of my way to offend people...

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[fdpaq0580]

It's obvious to me that you aren't quite grasping that I find no humor in your "jabbing" at all. When people weaponize words, it's not funny. It's insulting.

PROUDLY woke - and sad to see so much bigotry and fear in this community.

"Weaponize words"? Sorry, but this concept is, imho, often the problem of the person who hears/reads the, so-called, weaponized word. A simple "how are you" to a person expecting to be insulted could respond by saying, "are you implying that I'm sick or crazy or dangerous??". Words spoken are easily twisted and misinterpreted by someone with a, so-called, chip on their shoulder. Those who are expecting to be insulted can interpret anything to be an insult.
Yes, sometimes people do try to hurt or make fun someone else. But that is not always the case.
Everyone needs to lighten up a bit.

[fdpaq0580]

I go out of my way to offend people...

Yeah? But are you any good at it?

[Whitley]

:sad: All you're getting from me is NAME, RANK, SERIAL NUMBER..... and HOW I IDENTIFY TODAY! :lipsrsealed:


It is an infinite spectrum on a perpetual timeline. There is no "Today" How do you identify at this moment?

[Whitley]

If one sees no humor in weaponizing words, why would one do so then? You will use the words we demand, or be placed in a cage.

[Whitley]

I prefer to be addressed as Intellectually Superior

I e a

[fdpaq0580]

If one sees no humor in weaponizing words, why would one do so then? You will use the words we demand, or be placed in a cage.

Does it have good WiFi?

[jimbomaybe]

If one sees no humor in weaponizing words, why would one do so then? You will use the words we demand, or be placed in a cage.

It part of "News Speak" the meaning of words are changed to fit the agenda,as bizarre and anti educational as it is institutions of "higher learning" with "safe spaces" where some ideas cannot be challenged, of course debating societies are a thing of the past , facts logic and reason being so overrated,, at a total loss to defend your ideas ?? attack the person ,, many benefits , feel righteous and not have to discomfort yourself examining your thinking

[billethkid]

Simply more tail wagging the dog BS!

Like it or not....the plumbing defines gender.

_______________________________________________

:censored:

[fdpaq0580]

Simply more tail wagging the dog BS!

Like it or not....the plumbing defines gender.

_______________________________________________

:censored:

Plumbing can be altered (body modification). The question is, does one have a Y chromosome?

[golfing eagles]

Plumbing can be altered (body modification). The question is, does one have a Y chromosome?

Actually, the question and topic of this thread is: Does less than 0.1% of the population, aided by the woke media and university professors, get to cram this pronoun crap down the 99.9% of normal people's throats??????

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Actually, the question and topic of this thread is: Does less than 0.1% of the population, aided by the woke media and university professors, get to cram this pronoun crap down the 99.9% of normal people's throats??????

I thought the topic was:

Do the bigoted myopic fearful minority get to dictate what someone else gets to call themselves?

[Number 10 GI]

I thought the topic was:

Do the bigoted myopic fearful minority get to dictate what someone else gets to call themselves?

I don't care one bit what they call themselves, just don't demand that everyone else address them with the idiotic pronoun they "identify" with. The mentally unstable minority doesn't get the right to dictate to someone else what to call them.

I don't see how someone is bigoted, myopic or fearful because they recognize mental illness and don't want to play the silly game.

[golfing eagles]

I thought the topic was:

Do the bigoted myopic fearful minority get to dictate what someone else gets to call themselves?

I think that is only how the 0.1% would view it

[golfing eagles]

I don't care one bit what they call themselves, just don't demand that everyone else address them with the idiotic pronoun they "identify" with. The mentally unstable minority doesn't get the right to dictate to someone else what to call them.

I don't see how someone is bigoted, myopic or fearful because they recognize mental illness and don't want to play the silly game.

Couldn't have said it better.

[Byte1]

And they wonder why armed forces recruitment is so low. If they worry so much about what you say than what you do, then the war is already lost. However, the enemy may be incapacitated by their laughter and then go home, or video it for Youtube. If the officers in the Marines wish to be addressed by whatever PC title is in vogue today, then by all means. I doubt if that is going to change the way REAL Marines will address each other. I admit, our use of B.A.Ms to label female marines was a bit crass if used openly, but I still have no problem if I hear it used by an old Grunt/Leatherneck/gyrene. I wonder if the mud pits on the obstacle course at Paris Island Marine Recruit Training Base have been replaced with cleaner Egyptian sand for those sensitive recruits. Did they replace the quick step with the shuffle? Maybe the mess halls have started upgrading the recruits meals to a Vegan diet?
Do we laugh now and PAY LATER?

[golfing eagles]

And they wonder why armed forces recruitment is so low. If they worry so much about what you say than what you do, then the war is already lost. However, the enemy may be incapacitated by their laughter and then go home, or video it for Youtube. If the officers in the Marines wish to be addressed by whatever PC title is in vogue today, then by all means. I doubt if that is going to change the way REAL Marines will address each other. I admit, our use of B.A.Ms to label female marines was a bit crass if used openly, but I still have no problem if I hear it used by an old Grunt/Leatherneck/gyrene. I wonder if the mud pits on the obstacle course at Paris Island Marine Recruit Training Base have been replaced with cleaner Egyptian sand for those sensitive recruits. Did they replace the quick step with the shuffle? Maybe the mess halls have started upgrading the recruits meals to a Vegan diet?
Do we laugh now and PAY LATER?

Ther's a line from the movie "Aliens", in which, after all the Space Marine's ammo was destroyed, the character exclaimed: "that's just great, now what are we supposed to fight with----harsh language?"

Today, we could just substitute "Hurl improper pronouns" and we'd be just as effective