Coleman Guards picket permit revoked

[justjim]

According to another news site, the union prison guards at the federal prison had their permit for an information picket revoked as they were sitting up their tent at Magnolia Plaza yesterday. Apparently the issue for the federal guards is the dangers related to the shortage of staffing at the prison. The new Villages Charter Schools and Middleton is under construction across county road 470 from the Correctional Facility.

[BlueStarAirlines]

According to another news site, the union prison guards at the federal prison had their permit for an information picket revoked as they were sitting up their tent at Magnolia Plaza yesterday.

As a federal employee, they are an embarrassment. All of us are facing funding or staffing issues, but stirring up the public to force their Bureau's hand is the wrong approach.

[Keefelane66]

Magnolia Plaza isn’t public property, not good for Real Estate sales._

[Gpsma]

Union rabble trying to frighten Villagers to featherbed their jobs

[RICH1]

Stay North and leave those Southern problems behind…

[tophcfa]

Union rabble trying to frighten Villagers to featherbed their jobs

Developers quickly pulled strings to have picket permits pulled to squash display that is not conducive to selling homes.

[justjim]

Developers quickly pulled strings to have picket permits pulled to squash display that is not conducive to selling homes.

I have a feeling you haven’t heard the last of this effort to peacefully picket. There are certain constitutional rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech given by the Constitution. Are we reliving the 60’s when permits were denied to certain groups?

[John Mayes]

I have a feeling you haven’t heard the last of this effort to peacefully picket. There are certain constitutional rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech given by the Constitution. Are we reliving the 60’s when permits were denied to certain groups?

That applies to public or government controlled property. Not on private owned property that they were attempting to use.

[justjim]

That applies to public or government controlled property. Not on private owned property that they were attempting to use.

The photo looks like they were on public property. According to the news report, the city of Wildwood pulled the permit to stop the informational picket.

[NoMo50]

Developers quickly pulled strings to have picket permits pulled to squash display that is not conducive to selling homes.

Can you blame them? I am 100% in favor of those employees trying to improve their working conditions, pay, benefits, etc. But, employing scare tactics and a "Chicken Little" message is not the right approach. That goes double for trying to use private property as the venue. The union folks were obviously violating one or more provisions of their permit in order for it to be pulled.

[mike234]

As a federal employee, they are an embarrassment. All of us are facing funding or staffing issues, but stirring up the public to force their Bureau's hand is the wrong approach.
after hearing that the female head of federal prisons, refers to inmates as "neighbors", I stand with the thankless job of being a prison guard and support them 100%......woke has infiltrated the prison systems

[Marathon Man]

after hearing that the female head of federal prisons, refers to inmates as "neighbors", I stand with the thankless job of being a prison guard and support them 100%......woke has infiltrated the prison systems

People are too quick to believe whatever they hear. That is why the union is doing what they are doing.

[Bogie Shooter]

after hearing that the female head of federal prisons, refers to inmates as "neighbors", I stand with the thankless job of being a prison guard and support them 100%......woke has infiltrated the prison systems

What is your definition of woke?

[BobGraves]

Bureau of Prisons understaffing leads to ‘unprecedented exodus’ of employees, union warns | Federal News Network (https://federalnewsnetwork.com/hiring-retention/2022/09/bureau-of-prisons-understaffing-leads-to-unprecedented-exodus-of-employees-union-warns/)
"Chicken Little"? "Embarrassment"? "Union Rabble"? "Featherbedding"?
Maybe there are some genuine issues that aren't being addressed. I know I have NO idea of what goes on inside of those walls so the unions trying to get the message out that there are issues, to me, is entirely justified. It's not exactly a job I'd be willing to do. Something going wrong could mean their life.

[CODYCAT]

I have a feeling you haven’t heard the last of this effort to peacefully picket. There are certain constitutional rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech given by the Constitution. Are we reliving the 60’s when permits were denied to certain groups? Some people think peaceful riots are a good way to get your point across.

[mraines]

I have a feeling you haven’t heard the last of this effort to peacefully picket. There are certain constitutional rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech given by the Constitution. Are we reliving the 60’s when permits were denied to certain groups?
I read that they were on private property. Please tell me where around here is public property? Seems the Villages own everything and Desantis passes laws against protesting. Welcome to the "free state of Florida".

[sarvbill]

after hearing that the female head of federal prisons, refers to inmates as "neighbors", I stand with the thankless job of being a prison guard and support them 100%......woke has infiltrated the prison systems

I am so tired of people throwing the "woke" term around to justify anything they don't agree with. How about defining what it is that you believe has infiltrated the prison system.

[Dantes]

Where did u work lol counting shrimp for the feds. They work with worse of the worse no weapons no protection and walk in the midst of them and the fairy godmother warden calls them neighbors then she should take them home with her as she sits in her office of safety
I’m not buying anything from magnolia they didn’t want them on the property rumor has it from the officers I have over 20 years on the streets dealing with the criminals they are always innocent as they are covered with blood and a weapon in their hand. Just my humble opinion

[ThirdOfFive]

As a federal employee, they are an embarrassment. All of us are facing funding or staffing issues, but stirring up the public to force their Bureau's hand is the wrong approach.
Agreed. Unfortunately it is a time-honored tactic. The "back the ambulance up to the door" approach makes its appearance, in various forms, when this-or-that entity or organization thinks it can use public opinion to pry some money loose.

In this case though, the sky is not falling, nor is it likely to do so. There've been numerous studies done on both property values and safety issues near correctional facilities. One of the best, relating to property values near such institutions, is "Correctional Facility Establishments and Neighborhood Housing Characteristics" (Kelly McGeever, sagepub dot com, 9/21/18), a long read but worth it. The conclusion states, in part, that " lower property values and other unfavorable housing characteristics were not statistically related to establishing a correctional facility in urban neighborhoods. This finding held, regardless of the correctional type."

Regarding safety near correctional facilities, this too is blown out of proportion. Various studies have shown that people living near a correctional facility don't have much to worry about when it comes to safety issues relating to that facility. The reasons are not hard to understand: there are usually people patrolling the outside perimiter of a prison as well as the inside, and law enforcement is often much more visible near correctional facilities than in non-adjacent neighborhoods. There are of course environmental factors: bright lights at night, various noise associated with running such a facility, etc., but safety near a prison is NOT the issue that some would like the public to believe. Correctional facilities are, for a variety of reasons, pretty good neighbors.

In fact, studies have shown that cities with prisons inside, or immediately adjacent to, their city limits are actually SAFER than cities not so situated. In one study, seven cities containing prisons were demographically matched with 15 cities not containing prisons. The result? "The aggregate crime rate for the 7 prison cities was 22 percent below that of the 15 cities." (J.A. Hawes, "Cities With Prisons - Do They Have Higher or Lower Crime Rates?" U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1985). The summary also touched on the issue of property values, specifically assessed property values over time: "Regarding property values, the prison cities experienced an aggregate 31.5-percent growth in per capita assessed value over 1979-80 through 1982-83. Growth in assessed value for the matched nonprison cities was 28.6 percent."

So--despite what the "informational" pickets were trying to say, prisons are actually GOOD neighbors.

[CosmicTrucker]

I was at McD’s that morning. They had a small tent set up on the shoulder on the road. They were parked all in the ditch and shoulder of the road.

This is a photo taken from McDonald’s parking lot , click on iCloud

iCloud (https://share.icloud.com/photos/08fn_vZYAij3mErnt2GngwgQQ)

[Vermilion Villager]

That applies to public or government controlled property. Not on private owned property that they were attempting to use.
They were not on private property… They were on the boulevard along warm Springs Avenue. The permit was revoked by the city of Wildwood so yes… There is a constitutional question of free assembly.

[Vermilion Villager]

I read that they were on private property. Please tell me where around here is public property? Seems the Villages own everything and Desantis passes laws against protesting. Welcome to the "free state of Florida".

Where did you read they're on private property?

[justjim]

Agreed. Unfortunately it is a time-honored tactic. The "back the ambulance up to the door" approach makes its appearance, in various forms, when this-or-that entity or organization thinks it can use public opinion to pry some money loose.

In this case though, the sky is not falling, nor is it likely to do so. There've been numerous studies done on both property values and safety issues near correctional facilities. One of the best, relating to property values near such institutions, is "Correctional Facility Establishments and Neighborhood Housing Characteristics" (Kelly McGeever, sagepub dot com, 9/21/18), a long read but worth it. The conclusion states, in part, that " lower property values and other unfavorable housing characteristics were not statistically related to establishing a correctional facility in urban neighborhoods. This finding held, regardless of the correctional type."

Regarding safety near correctional facilities, this too is blown out of proportion. Various studies have shown that people living near a correctional facility don't have much to worry about when it comes to safety issues relating to that facility. The reasons are not hard to understand: there are usually people patrolling the outside perimiter of a prison as well as the inside, and law enforcement is often much more visible near correctional facilities than in non-adjacent neighborhoods. There are of course environmental factors: bright lights at night, various noise associated with running such a facility, etc., but safety near a prison is NOT the issue that some would like the public to believe. Correctional facilities are, for a variety of reasons, pretty good neighbors.

In fact, studies have shown that cities with prisons inside, or immediately adjacent to, their city limits are actually SAFER than cities not so situated. In one study, seven cities containing prisons were demographically matched with 15 cities not containing prisons. The result? "The aggregate crime rate for the 7 prison cities was 22 percent below that of the 15 cities." (J.A. Hawes, "Cities With Prisons - Do They Have Higher or Lower Crime Rates?" U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1985). The summary also touched on the issue of property values, specifically assessed property values over time: "Regarding property values, the prison cities experienced an aggregate 31.5-percent growth in per capita assessed value over 1979-80 through 1982-83. Growth in assessed value for the matched nonprison cities was 28.6 percent."

So--despite what the "informational" pickets were trying to say, prisons are actually GOOD neighbors.

Anyone posting here want to be a prison guard? Short staffing prison guards can make a very dangerous and stressful job even more dangerous and stressful. Of course, it’s safe to live near a prison as statistics have shown. The danger is within the walls as opposed to outside with the possible exception of transport of prisoners.

[Indydealmaker]

Ever heard of Private Property Rights?

[Bill14564]

Ever heard of Private Property Rights?

Yes, but how does that apply here? (See posts #9, #20, #21, and #22)

Further, the city of Wildwood would not (could not?) give a permit to provide information on private property. I would not have to ask for such a permit to provide information from my property and no permit could force me to allow anyone else onto my property. According to the article a permit was obtained. Therefore, the permit must have been for a location on public property.

[gobuck827]

after hearing that the female head of federal prisons, refers to inmates as "neighbors", I stand with the thankless job of being a prison guard and support them 100%......woke has infiltrated the prison systems

Here's the actual quote, but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative;


“Our job, as you’ve heard me say before, is not to make good inmates. It’s to make good neighbors,” Peters said. “They’re coming back to our communities, and so we need to hire the right people on the front end with that kind of thinking to help us do that.”

[TSO/ISPF]

Here's the actual quote, but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative;


“Our job, as you’ve heard me say before, is not to make good inmates. It’s to make good neighbors,” Peters said. “They’re coming back to our communities, and so we need to hire the right people on the front end with that kind of thinking to help us do that.”

A low security federal correctional institution with an adjacent minimum security satellite camp.
Not sure what this might mean in terms of dangerous inmates bent on escaping.

Low-Security Federal Correctional Institutions (FCI):

Population: Low-security prisons are also known as Federal Correctional Institutions. They confine prisoners from all backgrounds. Prisoners in low-security FCIs do not have extensive, documented criminal histories; if they have a history of violent behavior, several years have passed since the lasted documented act of violence. For the most part, individuals who serve time in low-security prisons are less volatile than those in higher-security. That said, prison administrators frequently make classification errors. Some of those errors lead to confining violent individuals in low-security. Low-security institutions confine many well-educated, white-collar offenders. They may be serving time inside of a low-security prison rather than a minimum security prison for a number of reasons that include:
The inmate may have more than 10 years to serve before the scheduled release date.
The inmate may have received a disciplinary infraction while inside a camp.
The inmate may have special program needs that require him to serve time inside of a low-security prison rather than a minimum-security camp.
Although low-security prisons confine mostly non-violent individuals, many people who abide by the criminal lifestyle and mentality will also serve time in low-security FCIs. There will even be some gang presence, although it will be less overt than in a medium- or a high-security prison.

[Zincbemi]

Union rabble trying to frighten Villagers to featherbed their jobs

I had a brother that was a corrections officer who lived in rural PA. It was a very stressful job as he wasn’t dealing with the cream of society. The hours (due to short staffing), the pay and the environment were eventually not worth it and he got a better paying job at Home Depot when they opened a store in the area

Not sure I would call the people who protect us from convicted criminals rabble.

[Bilyclub]

From looking at the pic I would think Wildwood thought being on the side of a busy road with vehicles parked on the side was a safety issue for drivers and the picketors.

[Chi-Town]

Prison employees picketing in The Villages is bad optics. No problem out of here.

[conman5652@aol.com]

What’s woke got to do with this. They’re understaff and over worked because they cannot refuse to work double shifts. And their pay is not keeping up with cost of living.

[Kahiland]

They are Correctional Officers. Not Guards. Just sayin'...

[Two Bills]

What’s woke got to do with this. They’re understaff and over worked because they cannot refuse to work double shifts. And their pay is not keeping up with cost of living.

Had a job like that many years ago.
Left and found a better one.
Simple solution.

[BobnBev]

They are Correctional Officers. Not Guards. Just sayin'...

Thank you.

[Marathon Man]

What’s woke got to do with this. They’re understaff and over worked because they cannot refuse to work double shifts. And their pay is not keeping up with cost of living.

Perhaps because their pay is above average for that type of work. Without all the facts, an informed opinion can not be made.

[dewcrews]

The defination of "Woke" is ... awareness of inequity and injustice.