South of 44

[Bill14564]

It's a federal law no need to be in your documents. I know of several families in that situation.

Where is this law - citation please. Anti- discrimination in housing is a Federal law except HOPA overrides it. Where is this special needs law?

"I would like to move to your neighborhood with my 14 year old child."
"I'm sorry, we are a 55+ community and don't allow children."
"That can't be, the Fair Housing Act section <I will get this later> says you cannot discriminate based on familial status."
"Ah, but that same act, section <I will get this too>, comprise the HOPA exceptions to the anti-discrimination section and says we *can* discriminate based on familial status because we are a 55+ community."
"Be that as it may, my child is a special needs child and ___________ supersedes the HOPA exceptions."

What is the ________?

I'm not arguing that you are wrong, I'm just interested in what that law actually is.

[coffeebean]

There actually are some streets over by the Pike that you can wave to the drivers LOL but people knew that when they bought them at giveaway prices and don't seem to mind. Maybe they used to live by airports or other highways, who knows.

Wonder if the truck drivers wave back. LOL.

[coffeebean]

I'm not sure that will come to fruition. The homes south of 44 are much more modern overall. You're not going to have many people fulfilling their dream of retiring in their mid 50's and getting excited living in prefab homes with oak or white MDF cupboards and featuring linoleum and parquet flooring like exists in the north end.

I consider our home in "the north end" but we don't have any of the features you mentioned. None of my friends who live in designer homes in Mallory have those finishes either. I think you may be referring to homes in the historic section. No?

[asianthree]

Not certain what the point of this post is. If you were sold a promise that you were buying into a 55+ community then that is what you should receive. Not concerned about who uses the roads or squares. Both are public! As far as I know, no children live in the Villages.

The family areas are part of the villages, yes they have their own amenities, but are in the village’s proper.

The post I originally answer was concerned about the Middleton kids drag racing, on the streets with cars and carts. My answer was there are within village proper, that have family villages already. Your posted my post didn’t make sense. Was it because you didn’t read the post I was quoting from? It happens a lot when someone doesn’t read entire post.We have 2 children that live in our old village.
There are all by state law, special needs that are allowed to live in the villages, we know of 3, under 13.

[Bogie Shooter]

I consider our home in "the north end" but we don't have any of the features you mentioned. None of my friends who live in designer homes in Mallory have those finishes either. I think you may be referring to homes in the historic section. No?
I agree with you, even if the historic side…….so what.



I must have fallen asleep and missed this post…..

Originally Posted by MrChip72
I'm not sure that will come to fruition. The homes south of 44 are much more modern overall. You're not going to have many people fulfilling their dream of retiring in their mid 50's and getting excited living in prefab homes with oak or white MDF cupboards and featuring linoleum and parquet flooring like exists in the north end.

Just where are these homes you speak of? I found this post very condescending.

[Bogie Shooter]

For sure, they were the last ones in DeLuna to sell. The developer was smart though, the neighborhoods that back onto the turnpike are all the cheapest home designs in the first place (Cottage and Patio villas), so they weren't really discounting them that much in the end. Selling for $270k or something like that.
Here’s another condescending post.

[asianthree]

I agree with you, even if the historic side…….so what.



I must have fallen asleep and missed this post…..

Originally Posted by MrChip72
I'm not sure that will come to fruition. The homes south of 44 are much more modern overall. You're not going to have many people fulfilling their dream of retiring in their mid 50's and getting excited living in prefab homes with oak or white MDF cupboards and featuring linoleum and parquet flooring like exists in the north end.

Just where are these homes you speak of? I found this post very condescending.

I actually know of a couple in St James, who build their designer home, stretches everywhere, but inside they used the cheapest vinyl, cabinets, fixtures, countertops, and no appliances.

Saved bunch of money, taxes were lower. Then 2 days after closing, gutted floors, cabinets, countertops, and put high end everything. Don’t remember how much they saved. But it was unbelievable when they were done.

[Randall55]

I actually know of a couple in St James, who build their designer home, stretches everywhere, but inside they used the cheapest vinyl, cabinets, fixtures, countertops, and no appliances.

Saved bunch of money, taxes were lower. Then 2 days after closing, gutted floors, cabinets, countertops, and put high end everything. Don’t remember how much they saved. But it was unbelievable when they were done. We did the same when we purchased a new home here. Why pay the builder a premium price for the same cheap LVP and quartz countertops that gets hastily slapped into EVERY new home? I would rather have larger rooms than that cheap builder-grade material any day! Isn't Luxury Vinyl Plank an oxymoron?

[JMintzer]

Have you seen that stated somewhere?

I believe it is likely that it will be both ways but they *could* put in a gate with a card reader (and no red button) like the Paradise gate up north.

Yes, in one of the videos on Middleton...

[margaretmattson]

We did the same when we purchased a new home here. Why pay the builder a premium price for the same cheap LVP and quartz countertops that gets hastily slapped into EVERY new home? I would rather have larger rooms than that cheap builder-grade material any day! Isn't Luxury Vinyl Plank an oxymoron? Same, same, same! Every new house, cookie cutter inside and out. I really wish they would build different styles homes with varying interior finishes. Tired of "this home is exactly like the other hundreds I have looked at." Most likely, I will just stay put in my current CYV and remodel. Probably cheaper anyway.

[JMintzer]

I agree with you, even if the historic side…….so what.



I must have fallen asleep and missed this post…..

Originally Posted by MrChip72
I'm not sure that will come to fruition. The homes south of 44 are much more modern overall. You're not going to have many people fulfilling their dream of retiring in their mid 50's and getting excited living in prefab homes with oak or white MDF cupboards and featuring linoleum and parquet flooring like exists in the north end.

Just where are these homes you speak of? I found this post very condescending.

Agreed. But thank goodness no one south of 44 ever bashes those living north of 44... Wait, what?

[margaretmattson]

I'm not sure that will come to fruition. The homes south of 44 are much more modern overall. You're not going to have many people fulfilling their dream of retiring in their mid 50's and getting excited living in prefab homes with oak or white MDF cupboards and featuring linoleum and parquet flooring like exists in the north end. Huh? correct me if I am wrong but the walls of the new homes are premade then merely craned into place. Doesn't LVP stand for luxury VINYL plank? Never saw a home in the Villages with MDF cabinets. Modern homes? The developer has been building the SAME floor plans for 20 plus years! Every village has the same homes only the exterior elevation changes. Glad you are so excited to retire in your mid 50's with a new home that is sooooo much better than what others have.

[JMintzer]

Huh? correct me if I am wrong but the walls of the new homes are premade then merely craned into place. Doesn't LVP stand for luxury VINYL plank? Never saw a home in the Villages with MDF cabinets. Modern homes? The developer has been building the SAME floor plans for 20 plus years! Every village has the same homes only the exterior elevation changes.

Well, they have changed some of the floorplans...

The Bridgeport, for example, was changed to have a more open kitchen...

The Gardenia (or was it the Begonia?) use to have a pillar defining the corner of the dining room. They deleted it as time went on...

[margaretmattson]

Well, they have changed some of the floorplans...

The Bridgeport, for example, was changed to have a more open kitchen...

The Gardenia (or was it the Begonia?) use to have a pillar defining the corner of the dining room. They deleted it as time went on... The kitchens in the older homes are bigger. I personally like them better. You just proved my point, Gardenia and Begonia are the same floor plan. Is removing a pillar that much MORE MODERN? Personally, I do not think so. Just same floor plan with one added feature.

[JMintzer]

The kitchens in the older homes are bigger. I personally like them better. You just proved my point, Gardenia and Begonia are the same floor plan. Is removing a pillar that much MORE MODERN? Personally, I do not think so. Just same floor plan with one added feature.

You just proved MY point. If kitchens in the older homes were bigger, they most certainly HAVE changed the plans...

Oh, and removing a pillar isn't ADDING a feature... ;)

[margaretmattson]

You just proved MY point. If kitchens in the older homes were bigger, they most certainly HAVE changed the plans...

Oh, and removing a pillar isn't ADDING a feature... ;)

The kitchens in the older homes are bigger because they have a wall. In the newer homes the wall was removed to open up the space. No wall? Less cabinets!

The meaning of the words added feature? Po tay- to, Po-tah-to. Buy a home with a wall in the kitchen or a pillar in the dining room, doesn't matter. Still the same floor plan.

[MrChip72]

I consider our home in "the north end" but we don't have any of the features you mentioned. None of my friends who live in designer homes in Mallory have those finishes either. I think you may be referring to homes in the historic section. No?

I was responding to a post referencing the historic section specifically.

[coffeebean]

We did the same when we purchased a new home here. Why pay the builder a premium price for the same cheap LVP and quartz countertops that gets hastily slapped into EVERY new home? I would rather have larger rooms than that cheap builder-grade material any day! Isn't Luxury Vinyl Plank an oxymoron?
Just wondering......are Quartz countertops considered to be "cheap builder-grade material? When we were shopping for our remodeling, Quartz countertops were more expensive than granite. Has something changed?

[coffeebean]

I was responding to a post referencing the historic section specifically.

OK. Thought so. I must have missed that. Thanks for clarifying.

[Randall55]

Just wondering......are Quartz countertops considered to be "cheap builder-grade material? When we were shopping for our remodeling, Quartz countertops were more expensive than granite. Has something changed?Who said anything about granite? Not the material I chose. I used the words cheap quartz because the one supplied by the Villages' builders is the lowest grade of quartz. Anyone can choose not to have it placed in a newly built home and ask for laminate, instead. Then buy a much better surface, in a color you prefer, for the same price the builder charges you for his cheaper grade. In the end, you pay the same price for the home but you have top-quality finishes. An added bonus, your yearly taxes will be a little cheaper since the recorded purchase price of the home is minus all the optional builder upgrades.

[Altavia]

There's dozens of new designs in Middleton.

[Bogie Shooter]

I was responding to a post referencing the historic section specifically.
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[Marathon Man]

Huh? correct me if I am wrong but the walls of the new homes are premade then merely craned into place. Doesn't LVP stand for luxury VINYL plank? Never saw a home in the Villages with MDF cabinets. Modern homes? The developer has been building the SAME floor plans for 20 plus years! Every village has the same homes only the exterior elevation changes. Glad you are so excited to retire in your mid 50's with a new home that is sooooo much better than what others have.

Consider yourself corrected.

[Randall55]

Consider yourself corrected. What correction was made? New designs in Middleton? They are still building the same designs in the Villages, one after another. The developer probably keeps each Village the same so no one feels slighted. Helps with resales and keeps the price of each home consistent, as well.

[Stu from NYC]

What correction was made? New designs in Middleton? They are still building the same designs in the Villages, one after another. The developer probably keeps each Village the same so no one feels slighted. Helps with resales and keeps the price of each home consistent, as well.

They have added new designs, look at the adds in the sun you will see new names.

[JMintzer]

The kitchens in the older homes are bigger because they have a wall. In the newer homes the wall was removed to open up the space. No wall? Less cabinets!

The meaning of the words added feature? Po tay- to, Po-tah-to. Buy a home with a wall in the kitchen or a pillar in the dining room, doesn't matter. Still the same floor plan.

Extending a wall make a kitchen bigger?

Excuse me while I try to noodle that thru... To the rest of the world, a bigger room means more square footage...

[JMintzer]

What correction was made? New designs in Middleton? They are still building the same designs in the Villages, one after another. The developer probably keeps each Village the same so no one feels slighted. Helps with resales and keeps the price of each home consistent, as well.

Basically, yes.

But that have made changes, such and bringing the utility sink inside from the garage, and changing the lanais...

In the newer section, the models all have new names, so it's a bit difficult to compare them to the older models, unless you have the floor plans of each of them...

[JMintzer]

They have added new designs, look at the adds in the sun you will see new names.

The new names are pretty darn close to the older models in most cases...

A tweak here and there, but there is only so much you can do with a 3 BR, 2 BA home...

[Stu from NYC]

The new names are pretty darn close to the older models in most cases...

A tweak here and there, but there is only so much you can do with a 3 BR, 2 BA home...

Very true and given how successful they have been selling these only needed a tweak or two.

[vintageogauge]

What correction was made? New designs in Middleton? They are still building the same designs in the Villages, one after another. The developer probably keeps each Village the same so no one feels slighted. Helps with resales and keeps the price of each home consistent, as well.

You need to start going to some open houses down south. There are lots of new floor plans and a lot of the old style plans of the north are no longer available, you won't find a gardenia with pillars in the middle of the house any longer, and there are now at least five 4 bedroom designer plans available, not to mention verandas and fenced in yards. There are many villa floor plans that were never built north of 44. The quality of the material being used such as windows and doors, roofs and floors along with HVAC and on demand hot water was not available in the old homes. Modern kitchens with large islands and decorator wall mounted exhaust fans, walk in pantries, and no more white kitchen appliances such as was used north, I can go on and on but you really have to see for yourself. It's also rare that you will see a white garage door on a designer home down south.

[JMintzer]

You need to start going to some open houses down south. There are lots of new floor plans and a lot of the old style plans of the north are no longer available, you won't find a gardenia with pillars in the middle of the house any longer, and there are now at least five 4 bedroom designer plans available, not to mention verandas and fenced in yards. There are many villa floor plans that were never built north of 44. The quality of the material being used such as windows and doors, roofs and floors along with HVAC and on demand hot water was not available in the old homes. Modern kitchens with large islands and decorator wall mounted exhaust fans, walk in pantries, and no more white kitchen appliances such as was used north, I can go on and on but you really have to see for yourself. It's also rare that you will see a white garage door on a designer home down south.

Those 4 BR homes are basically renamed Woodsides, Ivys and Lantanas...

Unfortunately, the wall mounted exhaust fan forces you to move the microwave somewhere else, taking away cabinet space. But yes, they do look pretty...

White Garage doors? I don't think there's a single one in my neighborhood, they're all painted to match the house.

White appliances? Nope. Stainless. Which has been the norm for at least 25-30 years... Oh, and btw "White" appliances are making a strong comeback in 2023... Everything old is new again!

One thing I do like about the newer homes are the more modern light fixtures and hardware. But we simply swapped them out when we bought our re-sale, and added pendant lights above the bar height counter top...

[coffeebean]

Who said anything about granite? Not the material I chose. I used the words cheap quartz because the one supplied by the Villages' builders is the lowest grade of quartz. Anyone can choose not to have it placed in a newly built home and ask for laminate, instead. Then buy a much better surface, in a color you prefer, for the same price the builder charges you for his cheaper grade. In the end, you pay the same price for the home but you have top-quality finishes. An added bonus, your yearly taxes will be a little cheaper since the recorded purchase price of the home is minus all the optional builder upgrades.

Sounds like a win-win.

[JMintzer]

Sounds like a win-win.

We have friends building near Del Ray...

Their neighbors built with the cheapest options available (they wanted ZERO cabinets and appliances, but could not get a permit of occupancy without them...

Once they settled, they immediately ripped out everything and put in the upgraded cabinets, appliances, counters and flooring they wanted...

Different strokes...

[vintageogauge]

Those 4 BR homes are basically renamed Woodsides, Ivys and Lantanas...

Unfortunately, the wall mounted exhaust fan forces you to move the microwave somewhere else, taking away cabinet space. But yes, they do look pretty...

White Garage doors? I don't think there's a single one in my neighborhood, they're all painted to match the house.

White appliances? Nope. Stainless. Which has been the norm for at least 25-30 years... Oh, and btw "White" appliances are making a strong comeback in 2023... Everything old is new again!

One thing I do like about the newer homes are the more modern light fixtures and hardware. But we simply swapped them out when we bought our re-sale, and added pendant lights above the bar height counter top...

Fact. A Lantana is a 3 bed home. When they were building up LS white garage doors were standard and to have them match the color of the house was an extra, at the same time they were supplying all of the homes with white appliances and many or most of them from that era still have them, you cold not get a large quartz island, stainless has not be the norm in TV for the last 25/30 years. There were no veranda homes, there were no designers with fully fenced in yards, no designers with 10 foot walls, no designer models with walk in pantries, homes did not come with radiant barriers, on demand hot water, etc., etc., I'm not talking about homes that were built a year or two before crossing 44 as they started to improve them at that point while getting ready to build on the other side.

[tophcfa]

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Dam Doc, I hope you spend as much time with your patients as you do replying to some of the threads on TOTV?

[asianthree]

Fact. A Lantana is a 3 bed home. When they were building up LS white garage doors were standard and to have them match the color of the house was an extra, at the same time they were supplying all of the homes with white appliances and many or most of them from that era still have them, you cold not get a large quartz island, stainless has not be the norm in TV for the last 25/30 years. There were no veranda homes, there were no designers with fully fenced in yards, no designers with 10 foot walls, no designer models with walk in pantries, homes did not come with radiant barriers, on demand hot water, etc., etc., I'm not talking about homes that were built a year or two before crossing 44 as they started to improve them at that point while getting ready to build on the other side.

Actually 10’ walls were in the main body of homes built in 2009, bedrooms 10’ with tray or slope ceiling.homes. You also had what would be called premier homes inSS area that had more perks, and great architecture. I actually like the older 10’ ceilings compared to todays 10’ walls. The loss of the pony counters are a big plus

[Randall55]

Extending a wall make a kitchen bigger?

Excuse me while I try to noodle that thru... To the rest of the world, a bigger room means more square footage...
Retired contractor here. The older homes do not have open kitchens. To open the kitchen in the newer models a wall was removed. Standard construction practice. Open floor plans have no dividing walls. No dividing wall less cabinets as another poster stated. And yes, it is still the same floor plan.

[Randall55]

You need to start going to some open houses down south. There are lots of new floor plans and a lot of the old style plans of the north are no longer available, you won't find a gardenia with pillars in the middle of the house any longer, and there are now at least five 4 bedroom designer plans available, not to mention verandas and fenced in yards. There are many villa floor plans that were never built north of 44. The quality of the material being used such as windows and doors, roofs and floors along with HVAC and on demand hot water was not available in the old homes. Modern kitchens with large islands and decorator wall mounted exhaust fans, walk in pantries, and no more white kitchen appliances such as was used north, I can go on and on but you really have to see for yourself. It's also rare that you will see a white garage door on a designer home down south. I have looked at the homes. Verandas are the same designer homes with fences around them. Adding or subtracting features does not change the fact that it is the same floor plan. Updating appliances does not change a floor plan. Four bedroom homes can be found in the North. ( the same floorplans as the ones in the south). Perhaps some of you are getting confused because they change the names of the models.

[Randall55]

Actually 10’ walls were in the main body of homes built in 2009, bedrooms 10’ with tray or slope ceiling.homes. You also had what would be called premier homes inSS area that had more perks, and great architecture. I actually like the older 10’ ceilings compared to todays 10’ walls. The loss of the pony counters are a big plus Ten foot ceilings is a change in the trusses. A height of a ceiling does not change the floorplan. In fact, if you choose to customize your home, changing the height of the ceilings is an option available to you. Of course, this option has an additional cost.

[Randall55]

Fact. A Lantana is a 3 bed home. When they were building up LS white garage doors were standard and to have them match the color of the house was an extra, at the same time they were supplying all of the homes with white appliances and many or most of them from that era still have them, you cold not get a large quartz island, stainless has not be the norm in TV for the last 25/30 years. There were no veranda homes, there were no designers with fully fenced in yards, no designers with 10 foot walls, no designer models with walk in pantries, homes did not come with radiant barriers, on demand hot water, etc., etc., I'm not talking about homes that were built a year or two before crossing 44 as they started to improve them at that point while getting ready to build on the other side. Updating a home to on demand hot water costs a few hundred dollars, and an easy fix. Some people like white garage doors because they help keep the garage cooler. Most everything you discussed are OPTIONS. Walk in pantries were made available because removing the walls to achieve an open floor plan resulted in fewer cabinets. Add the word luxurious in front of vinyl plank, you still have vinyl flooring.

[asianthree]

Ten foot ceilings is a change in the trusses. A height of a ceiling does not change the floorplan. In fact, if you choose to customize your home, changing the height of the ceilings is an option available to you. Of course, this option has an additional cost.

Have you built in TV, you chose the floor plan if you want 10’ ceilings that plan must have 10’ ceilings, you can’t change height, you can’t move interior walls, no adding rooms, no side bump. No adding or moving outlets, lights, fans. You are allowed to stretch front and rear, 4’.

You haven’t had the ability to customize any home for almost 2 years. Out of the hundreds of items in Street of dreams ( or disappointment) 3 item in each category was available. Example 62 shower fixtures 3 available.. custom home builds will probably never return.

If you want options you speak of you need to look elsewhere, developer doesn’t change their plans for anyone

[Randall55]

Have you built in TV, you chose the floor plan if you want 10’ ceilings that plan must have 10’ ceilings, you can’t change height, you can’t move interior walls, no adding rooms, no side bump. No adding or moving outlets, lights, fans. You are allowed to stretch front and rear, 4’.

You haven’t had the ability to customize any home for almost 2 years. Out of the hundreds of items in Street of dreams ( or disappointment) 3 item in each category was available. Example 62 shower fixtures 3 available.. custom home builds will probably never return. I did customize my home. Picked a lot, chose a floor plan, then built to my specifications, as my lot allowed. As long as what you are asking for is doable, and fits the lot you have chosen, expanding rooms and raising ceilings is no problem. Of course, the cost is more. You can have walls removed but adding walls is a different story. Perhaps the lot you chose was not large enough to do what you wanted. If all you could do was add 4 feet to front and rear, you bought a deep lot not a wide lot. However, I did this more than 2 years ago, things may have changed or there are no wide lots available at this time.

[Kenswing]

I did customize my home. Picked a lot, chose a floor plan, then built to my specifications, as my lot allowed. As long as what you are asking for is doable, and fits the lot you have chosen, expanding rooms and raising ceilings is no problem. Of course, the cost is more. You can have walls removed but adding walls is a different story. Perhaps the lot you chose was not large enough to do what you wanted. If all you could do was add 4 feet to front and rear, you bought a deep lot not a wide lot.
Maybe when you built. That’s no longer the case. We built in St. Catherine. We were one of it not the last village that could truly customize.

[Randall55]

Maybe when you built. That’s no longer the case. We built in St. Catherine. We were one of it not the last village that could truly customize. Yes. I did build my home more than 2 years ago. Havent checked on the new guidelines since. Perhaps there are no wide lots available at this time. This may or may not change in the future. Obviously, You can only build what will fit on the lot. Interesting though, I have seen some spec homes with one side of the home stretched 3 feet enlarging the bedrooms and living area.

[asianthree]

I did customize my home. Picked a lot, chose a floor plan, then built to my specifications, as my lot allowed. As long as what you are asking for is doable, and fits the lot you have chosen, expanding rooms and raising ceilings is no problem. Of course, the cost is more. You can have walls removed but adding walls is a different story. Perhaps the lot you chose was not large enough to do what you wanted. If all you could do was add 4 feet to front and rear, you bought a deep lot not a wide lot.

We had 12’ to move side walls that wasn’t allowed, front and back stretch only. period.everything is After market only, in fact we have 17 items on our list that had to be done after market. Only 2 options for pool, no custom options, no change in shape.

yes we had more room for rear and side. But 4’ was it, No removing or moving walls. We have been in TV since “07”. This is our 4th house. Our first and only design team meeting for this house was Labor day 2022. Prior to that date, you could add outlets, fixtures, move interior walls, add rooms. Stretch anywhere you wanted, move door enlarge closets. That is no longer the case. So we ended up with just under 2800sf, that we will be adding that 12’ Aftermarket. We also chose to add pool aftermarket to build the design we wanted.

[Kenswing]

Yes. I did build my home more than 2 years ago. Havent checked on the new guidelines since. Perhaps there are no wide lots available at this time. This may or may not change in the future. Obviously, You can only build what will fit on the lot. Interesting though, I have seen some spec homes with one side of the home stretched 3 feet enlarging the bedrooms and living area.

It has nothing to do with lot size. We recently had friends go through design. They couldn’t even add extra electrical outlets. They are even limiting options for pools.

[Randall55]

We had 12’ to move side walls that wasn’t allowed, front and back stretch only. period.everything is After market only, in fact we have 17 items on our list that had to be done after market. Only 2 options for pool, no custom options, no change in shape.

yes we had more room for rear and side. But 4’ was it, No removing or moving walls. We have been in TV since “07”. This is our 4th house. Our first and only design team meeting for this house was Labor day 2022. Prior to that date, you could add outlets, fixtures, move interior walls, add rooms. Stretch anywhere you wanted, move door enlarge closets. That is no longer the case. So we ended up with just under 2800sf, that we will be adding that 12’ Aftermarket. We also choose to add pool aftermarket to build the design we wanted Thanks for the update. Sounds like things have changed and not for the better.

[asianthree]

Thanks for the update. Sounds like things have changed and not for the better.

Makes you wonder if Unit 84 will be allowed to build what used to be custom homes. At the cost of their bond one would hope some disappointment will be lifted, and a pools can be truly custom with out a sun shelf

[Stu from NYC]

Makes you wonder if Unit 84 will be allowed to build what used to be custom homes. At the cost of their bond one would hope some disappointment will be lifted

Cannot believe how expensive their bond will be.

[asianthree]

Cannot believe how expensive their bond will be.

It will be nice to have a premier new village, but makes you wonder if you can’t customize home anymore, why pay for huge premium lots, enormous bond. With so few lots one wonders how many will be spec homes and how many custom “ish” homes. Plus it’s is out in left or right field for now

[JMintzer]

Dam Doc, I hope you spend as much time with your patients as you do replying to some of the threads on TOTV?

So personal insults are your go to response when you have no rational response?

[JMintzer]

Fact. A Lantana is a 3 bed home. When they were building up LS white garage doors were standard and to have them match the color of the house was an extra, at the same time they were supplying all of the homes with white appliances and many or most of them from that era still have them, you cold not get a large quartz island, stainless has not be the norm in TV for the last 25/30 years. There were no veranda homes, there were no designers with fully fenced in yards, no designers with 10 foot walls, no designer models with walk in pantries, homes did not come with radiant barriers, on demand hot water, etc., etc., I'm not talking about homes that were built a year or two before crossing 44 as they started to improve them at that point while getting ready to build on the other side.

Sorry, I meant "Lily", not Lantana... My bad...

Yes, quartz was not available, but granite was.

We looked at homes all thru the area south of 466A and north of 44 (certainly not built "a year or two before crossing 44), as that was where we wanted to live...

We did not see a single home with white appliances. We did see some stretched homes with "walk in pantries" and M-in-L suites...

We weren't interested in Veranda homes, nor fenced in yards, so I cannot comment on those...

[JMintzer]

Retired contractor here. The older homes do not have open kitchens. To open the kitchen in the newer models a wall was removed. Standard construction practice. Open floor plans have no dividing walls. No dividing wall less cabinets as another poster stated. And yes, it is still the same floor plan.

Our friend has a Bridgeport model.

There is a full wall separating part of the kitchen from the living room.

The newer Bridgeports had the top half of that wall removed, giving a better sight line from the kitchen into the living room area. But the kitchen remained exactly the same size...

Their only regret was not removing that part of the wall (which was an option at the time...)

But they were able to stretch their home in other areas, being able to add a huge walk in pantry that is accessible from the house and the garage (it's air conditioned)...

[Randall55]

Cannot believe how expensive their bond will be. A bond price is determined by the amount of homes built in that area. I believe I read there will only be 121 homes in section 84. The expense of developing the land will be divided by those 121 homeowners. When you purchase a home, always look at the bond price. An identical home in another area may have a significantly lower bond.

[Randall55]

Our friend has a Bridgeport model.

There is a full wall separating part of the kitchen from the living room.

The newer Bridgeports had the top half of that wall removed, giving a better sight line from the kitchen into the living room area. But the kitchen remained exactly the same size...

Their only regret was not removing that part of the wall (which was an option at the time...)

But they were able to stretch their home in other areas, being able to add a huge walk in pantry that is accessible from the house and the garage (it's air conditioned)...

Correct. An older model will have a wall separating the living area and kitchen. In the newer models, the wall was removed to create an open concept. I believe you are the only one who stated the square footage would change. No wall, no place to hang upper cabinets. The word bigger by another poster was explained. She meant the older models have more cabinets not more space.

Open concept living has its drawbacks just like homes with sectioned off rooms. In the Villages, these homes happen to be the same floor plans.There really is no "mine is better than yours." Unless you question someone's interior design taste.Buy what makes you happy!

[JMintzer]

Correct. An older model will have a wall separating the living area and kitchen. I believe you are the only one who stated square footage would change. No wall, no place to hang upper cabinets. The word bigger by another poster was explained. She meant more cabinets not more space.

Then the other poster should have stated "more cabinets" and not said "bigger"... Words have meaning...

[asianthree]

A bond price is determined by the amount of homes built in that area. I believe I read there will only be 121 homes in section 84. The expense of developing the land will be divided by those 121 homeowners. When you purchase a home, always look at the bond price. An identical home in another area may have a significantly lower bond.

Many on this site have owned here for more than 10-20 years, and beyond. Usually with more than one home in TV, and “The Bond” is what is always asked when buying a spec, building on a lot, or “What is the balance” of the bond on a preowned. Some of historic side didn’t have a bond, and get a few perks free, that others pay for.

Bond question is only missed if new perspective buyer didn’t research or topic of bond discussion wasn’t given to them, which while very rare, has happened.

In 2007 bond on a new home we looked at was $12,000. 2010 our bond was $15,000. 2012 our bond was $18,000. 2014, was preowned with $13,000 left. 2022 our bond is $24,000. Some choose to pay bond off immediately, while others like us don’t since there could be another new #5 home right around the corner. So far have met one person who has bought 12 homes, in TV.

While Unit 84 is unique that it is tucked away, with 121 sites, that looks to be a secluded area, the bond will be the highest so far for new development. No one knows if only Premier homes only will be built there, but many guess with the lot premium, one would hope homes will be in that category.

Then again when we were trying for a lot in Richmond, some of the largest custom most expensive build lots, that we didn’t get, ended up with much smaller models than we expected for the size of the lot.

So Unit 84, could end up with a great view, on a prime lot, with an average home, and a really large bond. Only time will tell, which in TV, will really be just a few months down the road. I truly hope the terminology of Custom home will be brought back for Unit 84.

[Altavia]

A bond price is determined by the amount of homes built in that area. I believe I read there will only be 121 homes in section 84. The expense of developing the land will be divided by those 121 homeowners. When you purchase a home, always look at the bond price.

An identical home in another area may have a significantly lower bond.

But probably a less desirable location. Premium lots appreciate at a higher rate so you recover the difference anyway.

Don't let the trail wag the dog.

[coffeebean]

Actually 10’ walls were in the main body of homes built in 2009, bedrooms 10’ with tray or slope ceiling.homes. You also had what would be called premier homes inSS area that had more perks, and great architecture. I actually like the older 10’ ceilings compared to todays 10’ walls. The loss of the pony counters are a big plus

I looked up "pony counters' and found out they are the bi-level counters. I much prefer the bi-level counter on my kitchen island. I have many reasons and would never want a home with one level counter.

[coffeebean]

Retired contractor here. The older homes do not have open kitchens. To open the kitchen in the newer models a wall was removed. Standard construction practice. Open floor plans have no dividing walls. No dividing wall less cabinets as another poster stated. And yes, it is still the same floor plan.

I have an older designer home, built in 2007, and my kitchen is completely open to the living and dining rooms. The home was built this way. This is one reason I much prefer the bi-level counter on the island as it hides the kitchen "mess" from the other rooms it over looks. I also like the outlets handy for small appliances which have very short cords for safety. Those are just two reasons I like the bi-level counters. There are plenty more but I won't go into that.

[Randall55]

I looked up "pony counters' and found out they are the bi-level counters. I much prefer the bi-level counter on my kitchen island. I have many reasons and would never want a home with one level counter.Personally, I find the giant slab islands a pain. I prefer pony counters, as well. You have space to clean the dishes while talking to your guests who are seated comfortably at the counter. The kitchen always looks tidy, and there is a little more room to maneuver.

[VApeople]

We have been in our house for 7 years and love our bi-level counters. I have seen models that have one-level counters and the kitchens have much less open space to move around.

[Nana2Teddy]

Many on this site have owned here for more than 10-20 years, and beyond. Usually with more than one home in TV, and “The Bond” is what is always asked when buying a spec, building on a lot, or “What is the balance” of the bond on a preowned. Some of historic side didn’t have a bond, and get a few perks free, that others pay for.

Bond question is only missed if new perspective buyer didn’t research or topic of bond discussion wasn’t given to them, which while very rare, has happened.

In 2007 bond on a new home we looked at was $12,000. 2010 our bond was $15,000. 2012 our bond was $18,000. 2014, was preowned with $13,000 left. 2022 our bond is $24,000. Some choose to pay bond off immediately, while others like us don’t since there could be another new #5 home right around the corner. So far have met one person who has bought 12 homes, in TV.

While Unit 84 is unique that it is tucked away, with 121 sites, that looks to be a secluded area, the bond will be the highest so far for new development. No one knows if only Premier homes only will be built there, but many guess with the lot premium, one would hope homes will be in that category.

Then again when we were trying for a lot in Richmond, some of the largest custom most expensive build lots, that we didn’t get, ended up with much smaller models than we expected for the size of the lot.

So Unit 84, could end up with a great view, on a prime lot, with an average home, and a really large bond. Only time will tell, which in TV, will really be just a few months down the road. I truly hope the terminology of Custom home will be brought back for Unit 84.
Wow! Your bond is so small compared to our 2022 veranda home in DeLuna. Is that because you bought a lot and did a custom build, and the bond is only on the lot, not the home? Our bond is $37K on a spec home.

[Randall55]

Wow! Your bond is so small compared to our 2022 veranda home in DeLuna. Is that because you bought a lot and did a custom build, and the bond is only on the lot, not the home? Our bond is $37K on a spec home. Bonds have gone up throughout the years because prices to develop land which includes adding roads and bringing in utilities have significantly increased. A bond price is determined by how many homes are built on a parcel of land. The entire price of developing that parcel is divided equally among the homeowners. More homes, lesser bond price. Fewer homes on a parcel, greater bond price. It also depends on how the land was developed. For example, water retention ponds, bridges, and golf courses cost more to develop. A bond has nothing to do with a price of the home.

When purchasing a home consider the bond. As many people who own homes in the northern area have stated, the bonds are significantly smaller or have been paid in the area they live. However, if paying an average of a few hundred dollars extra a month doesn't bother you, then no sense in worrying.

[Kelevision]

I’m envious of those who bought in Lake Denham. They can get to Orlando in 45 min.

[Randall55]

I’m envious of those who bought in Lake Denham. They can get to Orlando in 45 min. The majority of homes in the Villages are one hour away from Orlando. I am not willing to pay the highest property taxes in the Villages, year after year, to save myself an additional 15 minute drive to Orlando. Not bashing those who consider it a perk, just not something I am willing to do

I prefer to be centrally located where amenities, golf courses, shopping, and medical facilities are only 6-8 miles away in any direction. Fortunately, that area has the lowest property taxes in the Villages. To each their own.

[Normal]

There is always a bond, even if yours is paid off. Just look at the tax increase in Marion County this year to pay for the restoration of the sewer system.

[Bilyclub]

I’m envious of those who bought in Lake Denham. They can get to Orlando in 45 min.


And get the privilege to pay Leesburg taxes. Are they more than Wildwood's ?

[Nana2Teddy]

Bonds have gone up throughout the years because prices to develop land which includes adding roads and bringing in utilities have significantly increased. A bond price is determined by how many homes are built on a parcel of land. The entire price of developing that parcel is divided equally among the homeowners. More homes, lesser bond price. Fewer homes on a parcel, greater bond price. It also depends on how the land was developed. For example, water retention ponds, bridges, and golf courses cost more to develop. A bond has nothing to do with a price of the home.

When purchasing a home consider the bond. As many people who own homes in the northern area have stated, the bonds are significantly smaller or have been paid in the area they live. However, if paying an average of a few hundred dollars extra a month doesn't bother you, then no sense in worrying.
We have about 66 homes in our veranda neighborhood, so I’m aware that’s how the bond is calculated. I was just unaware some new designer homes, especially in a very new village like Richmond had such low bond amounts. We knew exactly what ours would be, and that we had an annual City of Wildwood tax too. We were okay with it because we came to TV with a nice chunk of equity from the sale of our Calif home last year, so we bought our home with cash. The bond is our only monthly “mortgage” payment, and it’s only $170/month. I was just surprised by the low bond amount on a custom built designer home in a new village. It’s all good though with us. Love our new home and location!