South of 44

[eweissenbach]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

[Kenswing]

Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling? You’ve been around long enough to know it’ll probably turn into a bash the south fest. I’m glad you’re happy where you’re at. I’m guessing most people are happy where they’re at. They just don’t see the need to post about how they like it more than another specific area.

[oldtimes]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

Why?

[Joe V.]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

You must not feel secure where you live now. Why trash other's living choice? I sure don't care. In 2 or 3 years the south of 44 will be where it is at.

[margaretmattson]

I I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it. I have been here since the Villages was only the historic section and Spanish Springs. Not going to lie, I miss those days. Very few people knew of the Villages and it was quaint and private. And, extremely inexpensive!

Along came Legacy and Mulberry area, and we thought our world was ending. We now had to share our "private oasis" with thousands more people. We made that adjustment and happily coexisted.

Wake up one morning, read the Daily Sun and WHAAAAAT? The family is going to build another community on the other side of 466! It was a hard pill to swallow, but we knew nothing could be done. The rest is history. Smile and make the best of it. Development happens!

Like you, I am not interested in the southern area. To me, it is just more of the developer's "same ol" planning and design. But, I am happy for those who have found their little piece of heaven. Welcome everyone and enjoy! Pretty soon, you too, will be complaining about the continual growth like the 8000 homes planned south of your present south. It doesn't seem there will ever be an end.

[Stu from NYC]

We like being further north but do not understand your point.

[kansasr]

A lot of people from north of 44 seem to be enjoying the over 28 miles of walking/biking trails we have down here (with more to come) since you have none north of 44.

[margaretmattson]

A lot of people from north of 44 seem to be enjoying the over 28 miles of walking/biking trails we have down here (with more to come) since you have none north of 44. Why point out one thing? What about the squares you visit because there are none (yet) in your area? Or the restaurants? Face it, there isn't any area that has everything. Share, enjoy, and be GLAD we have so many amenities to choose from. Isn't that why most of us came here? So many options!

[tophcfa]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

We are also seasoned Villagers, owning since 2015 and visiting several times during the ten year period before that. When we bought, Brownwood was a ghost town, they were still cranking out homes north of 44, Belle Glade recently opened, and there was no Village’s south of Brownwood. I mostly agree with the above, except for the part about the area south of 44 not existing as far as we are concerned. It definitely exists, and it has effected us in both positive and negative ways. The negatives are minimal, but real for this long time northern Villager. They include the fact that there are many more homes competing for the not enough service providers in the area. Examples include our long time irrigation guy is booking over a year out and not taking new customers and swimming pool service companies that simply can’t find enough good technicians. That didn’t used to be a problem many years ago. Then there was the 25% property tax increase necessitated by the infrastructure expenses required for the newer areas. Also, the number of both Championship and Executive golf holes per rooftop has been seriously diluted since we purchased our home, diminishing the overall golfing experience. And forget about taking the Village’s Airport Van if you live in the northern parts of the Villages. Spanish Springs lost the Farmers Market to Brownwood and I can’t remember the last time the Hooligans played in SS, yet they still occasionally have a Brownwood gig. None of these negatives are the fault of residents south of 44, but they are real nonetheless. One the flip side, the positives are real as well. We very much enjoy the bike/walking trails that don’t allow golf carts, which aren’t available north of 44. Edna’s on the green is a gem, decent food in a beautiful outside setting while enjoying live entertainment in a great attraction. Last winter I made a point to swim laps at every sports pool in the Villages and play every Championship golf course. To accomplish that objective I had great days venturing to the new areas via golf cart. Played Grey Fox, swam the Fenney sports pool, then ate at the Fenney Grill. Swam at Everglades sports pool, played Lowlands, then ate at Edna’s. Swam at the Ezell sports pool, played Southern Oaks, then ate at Sawgrass (didn’t particularly like that place). Without the new area, none of those fun and memorable days would have been possible!

If we had just discovered the Villages today and bought a home in the new area, I’m sure we would love it. However, knowing the Village’s as well as we do, if we were buying a home now, we would still buy in the northern area. For us, the abundance of both Championship and real Executive (not pitch and put and putting courses), sports pools, and easy and close golf cart accessibility to multiple town squares, dining, shopping, and entertainment (The Sharon, Savannah Center, and The Tierra Del Sol Theatre) would take precedence over the attractive features of the newer areas. I know the newer areas will eventually have most of that, but at our age I’m not willing to wait for whenever eventually is. Lastly, I am very concerned about the reports I am hearing about the amount of short term rentals in the newer areas. That could be a total game changer in a very bad way. Here is hoping all Villagers, regardless of where they own a home, are having a great day in paradise : )

[Rheimer]

I am not sure of the reason for your post but I am glad that you enjoy being North of 44. We live South of 44 and enjoy it down here. We are excited about all the new things happening down here. You can tell we haven’t live here long enough to bash anything North of 44 and I hope that time never comes. We live in THE VILLAGES and enjoy the entire experience. If you don’t feel the need to come South of 44 that is great. That mean more seating at Saw Grass Grove and more seating available at the events that we support at the high school in Middleton. I really hope when Eastport is complete you feel the need to continue to stay North of 44 that will free up a parking space wether it be golf cart or motor vehicle for someone who will enjoy it. I have a wonderful idea for you but being the sensible person I am I shall not mention for you to just sell you home here and stay in Kansas City as we all live in THE VILLAGES and don’t need people posting ridiculous things to just stir up some controversy especially when you are a SNOW FLAKE. Your words not mine.

[JMintzer]

You must not feel secure where you live now. Why trash other's living choice? I sure don't care. In 2 or 3 years the south of 44 will be where it is at.

You even quoted his post which stated he WASN'T trashing the area...

You must not feel secure where you live...

That said, I feel the same way about someone of the areas waaay north.
I'm above 44 and below 466A.

Once in a blue moon, we venture to the frozen tundra of the areas north of 466 , but we spent most of our time between LSL and Brownwood. But we do play golf at some of the courses north of 466A and at Southern Oaks and some of the Exec courses around Marsh Bend... And I'm looking forward to the new courses across the new turnpike bridge...

I think most people spend most of their time within a few miles of their homes. Perfectly normal...

[Tvflguy]

[QUOTE=Kenswing;2247606]Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling?


Wow!!!! I read the OP’s posting and THIS is exactly what was in my head. The tirade post is simply garbage. Can’t we all just get along and support other’s views and wants and needs.

Some people are just irritating and want to stir things up. I for one will now be blocking this OP. Shame!

[JMintzer]

I am not sure of the reason for your post but I am glad that you enjoy being North of 44. We live South of 44 and enjoy it down here. We are excited about all the new things happening down here. You can tell we haven’t live here long enough to bash anything North of 44 and I hope that time never comes. We live in THE VILLAGES and enjoy the entire experience. If you don’t feel the need to come South of 44 that is great. That mean more seating at Saw Grass Grove and more seating available at the events that we support at the high school in Middleton. I really hope when Eastport is complete you feel the need to continue to stay North of 44 that will free up a parking space wether it be golf cart or motor vehicle for someone who will enjoy it. I have a wonderful idea for you but being the sensible person I am I shall not mention for you to just sell you home here and stay in Kansas City as we all live in THE VILLAGES and don’t need people posting ridiculous things to just stir up some controversy especially when you are a SNOW FLAKE. Your words not mine.

Do you know what a Villages SNOW FLAKE is? Not the "political definition"...

It's someone, who's not yet a Frog, but not a "Snow Bird either. Someone who comes and goes as their schedule allows...

And I agree with the OP. Nothing wrong with the areas south of St Catherines, but I have no reason to go down there. Does it mean I'm "bashing" that area? How could you come to that conclusion? Why should I drive there if there nothing there for me? A dog park? I have one close to me, off Moyer Loop. A pitch & putt? I rarely play them, and if I did, I'd go to the one by Edna's. Closer, and I can have lunch afterwards...

And you support the HS in Middleton? You mean the one that just opened last week? The one that hasn't had a single event for you to "support"?

When Middleton opens, I'll check it out. If we like it, we'll add it to the rotation of places we visit. If not, we won't. Isn't that easy?

Just like Spanish Springs. We go up the for shows at The Sharon and an occasional dinner. There's one or two stores there we like but it's a shlep to take the cart there on a regular basis. LSL and Brownwood serve our needs quite nicely... I would think that those down by you rarely go up to Spanish Springs, due to the distance. Does that mean you're "bashing" the area?

I've been over the bridge that crosses 441 ONCE. It was on a sight seeing ride, a couple of years back, when we first moved in to our home. I doubt I'll ever do it again. Not bashing the area. It's just that I have no reason to go there. Why does this always turn into a "my area is better than your area" battle?

[VApeople]

A lot of people from north of 44 seem to be enjoying the over 28 miles of walking/biking trails we have down here (with more to come) since you have none north of 44.

We live north of 44 and often come down south to enjoy your walking/biking trails, your pitch and putt golf courses, your resort pools, and the music at Edna's. We are looking forward to seeing what will be built at Eastport.

Too bad that Sawgrass is such a crummy place. I guess you can't win 'em all.

[golfing eagles]

Do you know what a Villages SNOW FLAKE is? Not the "political definition"...

It's someone, who's not yet a Frog, but not a "Snow Bird either. Someone who comes and goes as their schedule allows...

And I agree with the OP. Nothing wrong with the areas south of St Catherines, but I have no reason to go down there. Does it mean I'm "bashing" that area? How could you come to that conclusion? Why should I drive there if there nothing there for me? A dog park? I have one close to me, off Moyer Loop. A pitch & putt? I rarely play them, and if I did, I'd go to the one by Edna's. Closer, and I can have lunch afterwards...

And you support the HS in Middleton? You mean the one that just opened last week? The one that hasn't had a single event for you to "support"?

When Middleton opens, I'll check it out. If we like it, we'll add it to the rotation of places we visit. If not, we won't. Isn't that easy?

Just like Spanish Springs. We go up the for shows at The Sharon and an occasional dinner. There's one or two stores there we like but it's a shlep to take the cart there on a regular basis. LSL and Brownwood serve our needs quite nicely... I would think that those down by you rarely go up to Spanish Springs, due to the distance. Does that mean you're "bashing" the area?

I've been over the bridge that crosses 441 ONCE. It was on a sight seeing ride, a couple of years back, when we first moved in to our home. I doubt I'll ever do it again. Not bashing the area. It's just that I have no reason to go there. Why does this always turn into a "my area is better than your area" battle?

You already know the answer-----tribalism.

But you should cross 441 again and play Orange Blossom Hills at least once---not the typical Villages course.

[tophcfa]

But you should cross 441 again and play Orange Blossom Hills at least once---not the typical Villages course.

The old course, where it all began. Interesting layout, especially the back 9 and specifically 11- 16.

[JMintzer]

You already know the answer-----tribalism.

But you should cross 441 again and play Orange Blossom Hills at least once---not the typical Villages course.

I'm still working on playing every course. It's on my list... I might break down and take the car and rent a cart when I get there (I did that the first time I played Glenview...). The hour+ drive to get there by cart does not sound like fun...

Maybe in the fall, when I can start later...

P.S. I played with a guy who plays every single hole of every single course every year...

He'll play multiple exec courses per day...

[Papa_lecki]

I think most people spend most of their time within a few miles of their homes. Perfectly normal...
you know how there are sensors for your golf club to see how far you hit each club?
We need that for golf carts - I agree, bet most people travel within a 30 min radius of their house.

[dhdallas]

And your point is.....what?

[BobnBev]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

100% in agreement with you.

[PersonOfInterest]

The Villages is the most 'Territorial' place I've ever lived. I have no reason to want to go to Miami or Key West or Ft Lauderdale or Thousands of other places. SO WHAT!

[Sandy and Ed]

I’m just trying to fathom the rational for the original post. Am I supposed to rate where residents decided to live?? I’m at a loss to understand why this post even started

[Sandy and Ed]

Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling? You’ve been around long enough to know it’ll probably turn into a bash the south fest. I’m glad you’re happy where you’re at. I’m guessing most people are happy where they’re at. They just don’t see the need to post about how they like it more than another specific area.
I guess I somewhat repeated what you said before I read your post. In any case I agree

[Rwirish]

No enjoyment is actually seeing and listening to the turnpike.

Few go south for the walking paths.

[derkster]

Please delete this thread. Totally worthless.

[skippy05]

South of 44

[charlie1]

We live north of 44 and often come down south to enjoy your walking/biking trails, your pitch and putt golf courses, your resort pools, and the music at Edna's. We are looking forward to seeing what will be built at Eastport.

Too bad that Sawgrass is such a crummy place. I guess you can't win 'em all.

I love Sawgrass Market area but feel that the restaurants in the market itself have a lot of work in both menu choices and flavor before becoming a place I would frequent.

[bowlingal]

Why are there so many pre-owned home for sale south of 44?? there must be a good reason for that. Ask yourself why.

[Shellshack]

My Dad has a better job than your Dad.........

[ThirdOfFive]

Vive la difference!

TV is not "one size fits all". Nor was it ever meant to be. That slogan "Florida's friendliest hometown" gives folks the exact WRONG perception of what we are. We may be (most of the time are, in my opinion) outgoing and friendly but we are NOT citizens of one huge sprawling city that, if what I have read is true, geographically larger than the city of San Francisco. What we are, is a collection of small Villages, with some similarities village to village but with significant differences as well. We share amenities (sometimes at the end of a long drive considering how large TV is) but, if we so choose, not much beyond that.

The village where I live, only one way in or out, has no doubt looked overwhelmingly the same as it did since before Y2K, with the only change being car models. Very quiet here, which is what we like. But that most likely is not everyone's cup of tea, and if not there are villages where the residents are far more active and social-minded. The amenties that we favor are close by: Har-Tru tennis courts at Glenview (walking distance) and Lopez (short drive), several handy golf courses, etc. But tennis, especially on Har-Tru courts, just doesn't appeal to a lot of people. In which case their choice of Village-of-Residence would possibly be differents, depending on what THEY value.

Which is better? North or south? The answer is BOTH, depending on what we, as individuals, want and value.

[Oneiric]

Why?

IF you can't say something nice...

[Two Bills]

My Dad has a better job than your Dad.........

But my mum could beat your dad up. So there!:p

[MandoMan]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

I agree with you (except that I perform bluegrass at Aviary Rec Center on Morse across from thenVillage of Bradford Sunday nights at 6). However, a couple days ago I talked with a woman into a new home on a circle south of Florida’s Turnpike. She and all her neighbors moved in over a period of just a few weeks, they are more likely to be younger and around the same age, and so they all became friends. By contrast, I’ve moved into two established neighborhoods here, one complete in 1998 and one in 2012. The average age there is closer to eighty, and they. Already have their friends. That seems like a significant reason to buy in a brand new area. It takes me twenty minutes to drive from north of 466A to Aviary. It’s about the same to drive to Spanish Springs from my house. Nearly any restaurant or store I visit is ten or fifteen minutes or more. A number of those places are about the same distance from thousands of homes south of 44. Many are farther, of course.

[RcCalais]

It doesn't take much to start a civil war.

[TEXJK]

I love these type of threads the snow birds post…….The main point of a lot these post is to let everyone know they have two homes and they feel entitled because of it.
Moved into the villages this year I can see why some of the locals despise the villages.
When the entitled come to their other home and act like fools and think they own the place. Inside the villages and outside the bubble.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Do you know what a Villages SNOW FLAKE is? Not the "political definition"...

It's someone, who's not yet a Frog, but not a "Snow Bird either. Someone who comes and goes as their schedule allows...

And I agree with the OP. Nothing wrong with the areas south of St Catherines, but I have no reason to go down there. Does it mean I'm "bashing" that area? How could you come to that conclusion? Why should I drive there if there nothing there for me? A dog park? I have one close to me, off Moyer Loop. A pitch & putt? I rarely play them, and if I did, I'd go to the one by Edna's. Closer, and I can have lunch afterwards...

And you support the HS in Middleton? You mean the one that just opened last week? The one that hasn't had a single event for you to "support"?

When Middleton opens, I'll check it out. If we like it, we'll add it to the rotation of places we visit. If not, we won't. Isn't that easy?

Just like Spanish Springs. We go up the for shows at The Sharon and an occasional dinner. There's one or two stores there we like but it's a shlep to take the cart there on a regular basis. LSL and Brownwood serve our needs quite nicely... I would think that those down by you rarely go up to Spanish Springs, due to the distance. Does that mean you're "bashing" the area?

I've been over the bridge that crosses 441 ONCE. It was on a sight seeing ride, a couple of years back, when we first moved in to our home. I doubt I'll ever do it again. Not bashing the area. It's just that I have no reason to go there. Why does this always turn into a "my area is better than your area" battle?
Agree on the Middleton and seats post. The dust hasn't even settled out there yet how can that statement be accurate. Typical of T V over-crowding at varoius events, I bet it will be almost impossible for those without kids attending the H S get tickets to anything in the 800 seat (I believe T V youtube video stated) theater. That remains to be seen.

[sallyg]

Not sure what you are looking for in your post. But since we have lived in the northern part of the Villages and most recently the southern part, we have found we stick close to our area for amenities, banking, shopping etc. I suspect most Villagers do the same. Why drive 5 miles to another area to do what you can right next door?

[larbud]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.
Damn! So glad you posted this!! I probably couldn’t have survived without you doing so!😱😱🤯

[Bogie Shooter]

OP

you close your post by saying, “Let’s hear it.”
You have been on here long enough to know(or should have) that you were inviting just another bashing conversation. Most of what has been posted already is a rehash of many previous threads.
Hard to determine what your point of starting this thread?

[Altavia]

.....

However, a couple days ago I talked with a woman into a new home on a circle south of Florida’s Turnpike. She and all her neighbors moved in over a period of just a few weeks, they are more likely to be younger and around the same age, and so they all became friends.

By contrast, I’ve moved into two established neighborhoods here, one complete in 1998 and one in 2012. The average age there is closer to eighty, and they. Already have their friends. That seems like a significant reason to buy in a brand new area.

...



This is why many chose to move to the newer areas. Posts like those supporting the OP validate their decision.

[phousel]

Exactly!!!

[Darield]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

Also, ot sure of the point of the post but to offer a different opinion, I live North near the Polo field (I love our home and neighborhood) and enjoy the variety down south, especially the beautiful nature trails.

[MidWestIA]

I had a wild guess that the land below 44, water, roads, swampy areas, just didn't work well for the concentration of golf courses and other amenities as above 44. OR the developer just got cheaper and wanted to make more money from houses and didn't care about the rest. I want a short cart drive to lots of golf and to shopping-restaurants so I went preowned above 44 when I moved back from Texas although I REALLY wanted to build another sycamore.

The developer is watching this and hears all the noise about below 44 I'm curious if he responds to bring it back in line with above 44 for golf, other activities, shopping and restaurants down there.

Like I said he is watching tell him want you really want down there.

[huge-pigeons]

I had a choice of moving anywhere in the villages when we moved here and after looking at most of the areas, south of 44 is the best for many reasons. Here are a couple but I can go on for pages:
) we have gas for heat and cooking
) Spanish springs homes are very dated
) average age is 20 years younger down south
) mp paths are so much better designed in the south. We don’t share the streets with golf carts as much as you do in the north
) separate bike/walking paths from golf cart path
) no traffic. Who wants to go to 441?
) new homes, new infrastructure, new golf courses, quiet, worth more
) in a couple of years, we will be the center of the villages

That’s not to say we like both Sumter and Brownwood squares, Spanish springs not so much.

[Bpart]

We live South of 44 and been here for a year and a half now, we enjoy all of The Villages the entire place, and all its amenities that is why we decided to move here. We play golf everywhere, visit all three Town Squares and have been to a lot of the recreation centers. We bought into the entire place not just the Southern portion and plan on continuing to enjoy it all because all Villagers are invested in the entire place not just a portion. We have met a lot of good people from all over The Villages playing golf and just getting out and we plan do so until the day comes, we can no longer physically do it. We are younger than many especially from the North so plan on seeing us everywhere in our Villages for a long time to come!
Too bad everyone doesn't see the glass half full as we do.

[mfodale]

Divide, divide, divide... Smh...

[JanetH]

Glad you like the north . I think the entire villages are beautiful . And I can enjoy any area just as you can. I chose south of 44 simply because I liked the subdivision and the house . Figured everyone should just buy what they want where they want . To me there is no area better than another , just opinions .
I don’t get this post at all . Congrats on living in the north part of villages ?

[Marmaduke]

I also wish there was a thumbs down option on TOTV.

I hope our neighbors south of 44 realize that most people are just living their lives, not heck-bent on doing a comparative analysis to challenge them or to apparently boast of their imaginary superior choices, no matter what the OP said.
My heart hurts for anyone that may begin questioning what was their epic move from lands far away due to this type of post, some single folks who had it twice as hard during a move.

We ALL KNOW how fun it was to move, with mega-logistics, let alone dealing with realators, inspections, utilities, address changes.

To our stones-throw away southern neighbors, I know you certainly must feel assurred that you have made the right choice.
After all, you have a lovely, newer home and are a Villager and share our good/bad, and are breathing today. For that, we can be grateful, right♡

If I could magically STOP one thing from occurring here on this site, it would be to çurtail the "innocent" posts on the north/south topic. Worn thin.

[Cindysum90]

Such a rude post with no purpose

[oldtimes]

I also wish there was a thumbs down option on TOTV.

If I could magically STOP one thing from occurring here on this site, it would be to çurtail the "innocent" posts on the north/south topic. Worn thin.

:agree:

[Michael 61]

You’ll never hear me bashing north or south of 44 - I love it all! I’m still getting to know the north end - Friday went to Lopez Legacy for dinner for first time - very good, and then over to the Savannah to see Dreamgirls.

I’m glad to have access to all that currently is TV, and very excited about what is to come in the years ahead of us.

When I bought last December, I strategically looked into an area that I thought would be “the middle” of TV in about 10-15 years from now, in order to have golf cart access to most of what will become TV.

I think it’s great that we have many options where we want to live, so hopefully everyone gets what they want - if you are happy where you live, then I am truly happy for you. I have pledged not to get into a north vs south debate.

[Stu from NYC]

No reason to buy in one area and put down the rest.

[oldtimes]

No reason to buy in one area and put down the rest.

Honestly I wouldn't want to live in Kansas City

[tombpot]

Who cares what you think

[airstreamingypsy]

Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling? You’ve been around long enough to know it’ll probably turn into a bash the south fest. I’m glad you’re happy where you’re at. I’m guessing most people are happy where they’re at. They just don’t see the need to post about how they like it more than another specific area.

You beat me to it.... what is the purpose?

[ithos]

Every single area has its pluses and minuses. I wish people would not be so defensive because I am very interested in what the folks south of 44(actually South of the Turnpike) like most about their neighborhood since I may end up there one day.

The benefits of living south of the turnpike are many. If you commute or travel frequently it has quicker access to the turnpike. It has the best outdoor amenities(my opinion) not the least of which is the pedestrian path. The floorplans are significantly better than the older sections and the average age is younger. Of course no Town Square but that is coming.

There are probably plenty more. But the one thing that would irritate me is the lack of convenience stores with fuel. I just don't understand why the developers did not build more. If I am wrong about this please enlighten me.

[Two Bills]

But the one thing that would irritate me is the lack of convenience stores with fuel. I just don't understand why the developers did not build more. If I am wrong about this please enlighten me.

Pretty sure 'Developer' doesn't build gas stations or convenience stores.
Certainly hasn't built a Costco.

[airstreamingypsy]

Honestly I wouldn't want to live in Kansas City

Then you've never been there. In the fifteen years I lived in my Airstream, and traveled around the USA, I literally saw it all. I pulled it to every state except Alaska and Hawaii. I've been in every major city and I was blown away by Kansas City.

To me, it is the most beautiful city in the United States. It is second in the world to Paris for boulevards. Second to Rome for statues and fountains. There's a park, in the city, that's double the size of Central Park in NYC. Just driving around the city you see beautiful neighborhoods and homes. Who knew?

[bjansson]

Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling? You’ve been around long enough to know it’ll probably turn into a bash the south fest. I’m glad you’re happy where you’re at. I’m guessing most people are happy where they’re at. They just don’t see the need to post about how they like it more than another specific area.

Exactly what i was thinking. What is the purpose of this thread?

[bjansson]

Honestly I wouldn't want to live in Kansas City

One of the worst highway systems and i hate just driving through that place!

[ithos]

Pretty sure 'Developer' doesn't build gas stations or convenience stores.
Certainly hasn't built a Costco.

You are correct but they do determine when and where they are built just like the Publix stores.

[Jcicales]

I also wish there was a thumbs down option on TOTV.

I hope our neighbors south of 44 realize that most people are just living their lives, not heck-bent on doing a comparative analysis to challenge them or to apparently boast of their imaginary superior choices, no matter what the OP said.
My heart hurts for anyone that may begin questioning what was their epic move from lands far away due to this type of post, some single folks who had it twice as hard during a move.

We ALL KNOW how fun it was to move, with mega-logistics, let alone dealing with realators, inspections, utilities, address changes.

To our stones-throw away southern neighbors, I know you certainly must feel assurred that you have made the right choice.
After all, you have a lovely, newer home and are a Villager and share our good/bad, and are breathing today. For that, we can be grateful, right♡

If I could magically STOP one thing from occurring here on this site, it would be to çurtail the "innocent" posts on the north/south topic. Worn thin.
Thank you- I wish the same but it just doesn’t stop.

[ithos]

Exactly what i was thinking. What is the purpose of this thread?

Okay, then maybe someone should start a thread about why they love living south of 44. Would that be alright?

[oldtimes]

Then you've never been there. In the fifteen years I lived in my Airstream, and traveled around the USA, I literally saw it all. I pulled it to every state except Alaska and Hawaii. I've been in every major city and I was blown away by Kansas City.

To me, it is the most beautiful city in the United States. It is second in the world to Paris for boulevards. Second to Rome for statues and fountains. There's a park, in the city, that's double the size of Central Park in NYC. Just driving around the city you see beautiful neighborhoods and homes. Who knew?

But it's no where near an ocean

[golfing eagles]

But it's no where near an ocean

Yet

[Normal]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful.

Love, love, love it! Clean, new energetic. The younger demographic, proximity to Orlando and Wesley Chapel along with so many classes makes it a great place to live.

[DBChris]

This is purely hypothetical. I would never want a house with a pool that backs up to Moyer Loop, is situated next to a postal station and is roughly 2153 square ft. How's that sound? Wait, I forgot to mention that hideous squid or octopus orange wallpaper. But hey, you do you.

[Chamo]

Who cares about your opinion? There’s no reason to even post this that’s the problem with people they can’t keep your opinions to themselves.

[PJfromCincy]

I love St John's where we live! We are 7 minutes to Brownwood by golf cart. We have an up to date home that is a year old, no remodeling needed. MY ROOF IS A YEAR OLD. My neighbors are all around the same age as us, 60ish. There is a perfect neighborhood for EVERYONE and if further north is for you, glad you are in your perfect place. Just don't insult MY perfect place!

[Papa_lecki]

Such a rude post with no purpose

Actually there is a purpose.

This thread has 5 pages, as of now, almost 70 posts.

The thread was started by an account that is probably related TOTV owners/managers. It’s purpose is TOTV engagement, which leads to $$$$

Look, almost all of these posts, the TOTV hot topics are posted shortly after the middle of the month, it gives us 2 weeks to engage, and wahla, TOTV numbers increase for advertisers.

[kendi]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

Okay. And your point of posting?

[laboutj]

Do you know what a Villages SNOW FLAKE is? Not the "political definition"...

It's someone, who's not yet a Frog, but not a "Snow Bird either. Someone who comes and goes as their schedule allows...

And I agree with the OP. Nothing wrong with the areas south of St Catherines, but I have no reason to go down there. Does it mean I'm "bashing" that area? How could you come to that conclusion? Why should I drive there if there nothing there for me? A dog park? I have one close to me, off Moyer Loop. A pitch & putt? I rarely play them, and if I did, I'd go to the one by Edna's. Closer, and I can have lunch afterwards...

And you support the HS in Middleton? You mean the one that just opened last week? The one that hasn't had a single event for you to "support"?

When Middleton opens, I'll check it out. If we like it, we'll add it to the rotation of places we visit. If not, we won't. Isn't that easy?

Just like Spanish Springs. We go up the for shows at The Sharon and an occasional dinner. There's one or two stores there we like but it's a shlep to take the cart there on a regular basis. LSL and Brownwood serve our needs quite nicely... I would think that those down by you rarely go up to Spanish Springs, due to the distance. Does that mean you're "bashing" the area?

I've been over the bridge that crosses 441 ONCE. It was on a sight seeing ride, a couple of years back, when we first moved in to our home. I doubt I'll ever do it again. Not bashing the area. It's just that I have no reason to go there. Why does this always turn into a "my area is better than your area" battle?

We're just north of 44 and travel up to the four executive courses around Lopez. If those aren't in your regular rotation you are really missing out.....

As far as south of 44, I have no use for Sawgrass but Edna's and Fenney Grill are very nice. There just isn't a lot of infrastructure right now (businesses, restaurants and gas stations) to support the number of homes.

[JMintzer]

I love these type of threads the snow birds post…….The main point of a lot these post is to let everyone know they have two homes and they feel entitled because of it.
Moved into the villages this year I can see why some of the locals despise the villages.
When the entitled come to their other home and act like fools and think they own the place. Inside the villages and outside the bubble.

Well, that certainly is an opinion...

How you came to it I'll never know...

[Bogie Shooter]

Actually there is a purpose.

This thread has 5 pages, as of now, almost 70 posts.

The thread was started by an account that is probably related TOTV owners/managers. It’s purpose is TOTV engagement, which leads to $$$$

Look, almost all of these posts, the TOTV hot topics are posted shortly after the middle of the month, it gives us 2 weeks to engage, and wahla, TOTV numbers increase for advertisers.

This is probably BS!

[JMintzer]

This is why many chose to move to the newer areas. Posts like those supporting the OP validate their decision.

And maybe, just maybe, that's where the new houses are being sold...

Nah... That couldn't be the reason...

But posts like yours might just validate the decision of those who decided to purchase a resale north of 44...

See how that works?

[JMintzer]

I had a choice of moving anywhere in the villages when we moved here and after looking at most of the areas, south of 44 is the best for many reasons. Here are a couple but I can go on for pages:

The Best you say? Interesting... I thought it was those north doing the bashing, not those in the south...

) we have gas for heat and cooking

Plenty of area north have natural gas. Many people bury a propane tank for cooking gas, or to heat their pools...

) Spanish springs homes are very dated

There are just a few neighborhoods besides Spanish Springs north of 44. Some even have "updated" designs...

) average age is 20 years younger down south

So, you're saying the average age down there is 52? I kinda' doubt it, since the average age in TV is 72...

) mp paths are so much better designed in the south. We don’t share the streets with golf carts as much as you do in the north

Odd, I've read many posts complaining of the MMPs south of 44. Too many sharp turns, limited sight views when coming to intersections...

And you must have missed that stretch of Meggison, south of St Catherine's that people are complaining about having to share the road with regular traffic...

) separate bike/walking paths from golf cart path

Many of those paths are across fields, with ZERO shade. I don't get the design at all. Although I DO like the Hog Eye path...

) no traffic. Who wants to go to 441?

Have you traveled down 301 or across 470? PLENTY of traffic... Which will only get worse...

And the only time I'm on 441 up north is if I'm going up towards Ocala. Or to The Markets @ Marion...

) new homes, new infrastructure, new golf courses, quiet, worth more
) in a couple of years, we will be the center of the villages

People are complaining of the lack of golf courses, the decrease in quality of the new homes.

Quiet? Many of those homes are right on top of the Turnpike. "Quiet" is not the descriptor I'd use for them...

Worth more? Resales of the same models are going for significantly more than a brand new home...

That's not me just speculation. That's "sold homes" on Zillow and TV Homefinder saying that...

That’s not to say we like both Sumter and Brownwood squares, Spanish springs not so much.

Good to know...

And lest I repeat myself. BE HAPPY WHEREVER YOU LIVE! Just stop it with the "holier than thou, only they do it" BS...

[westernrider75]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

I have absolutely nothing against the northern areas other than there are no NEW homes there and we much preferred new. In many ways I think the northern villages with the more mature landscaping is prettier, some of it needs pulled out and updated but I do the love bigger trees.

Unless they tear down some of the old and build new, south of 44 will control grow like wildfire.

[HoosierPa]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

If you like nature, are a walker or bicyclist, South of
44 offers so much more (and safer)
When we started coming here, Sanibel was still a pile of sand and a people told us….”whatever you do, don’t go south of 466A”
We did anyway and glad we did!

[HoosierPa]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

If you like nature, are a walker or bicyclist, South of 44 offers so much more (and safer)
When we started coming here, Sanibel was still a pile of sand and a people told us….”whatever you do, don’t go south of 466A”
We did anyway and glad we did!

[ithos]

If you like nature, are a walker or bicyclist, South of 44 offers so much more (and safer)
When we started coming here, Sanibel was still a pile of sand and a people told us….”whatever you do, don’t go south of 466A”
We did anyway and glad we did!

You can say that again. :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

We're just north of 44 and travel up to the four executive courses around Lopez. If those aren't in your regular rotation you are really missing out.....

As far as south of 44, I have no use for Sawgrass but Edna's and Fenney Grill are very nice. There just isn't a lot of infrastructure right now (businesses, restaurants and gas stations) to support the number of homes.

I've played Lopez twice and Glenview twice. Great courses. Just a bit of a shlep to get there... But I'll try them all... Eventually...

And I agree. Fenney Grill is one of our favorites. I like Edna's, but the wife's not a big fan of waiting for food at food trucks...

We've been to Sawgrass a few times. McGrady's was fine, but the food court? Again, I'f I'm going out to eat, I want table service...

[Battlebasset]

Live down in Fenney. I like the less crowded/newer feel, but we are lacking in shopping options vs further north. However, more is getting built, and once the new Costco goes in in Clermont, Goggle says I'll be able to get to it in 35 minutes. Believe that once I make the run. Betting closer to 45 minutes.

We do have good access to the Super Walmart in Leesburg, about 20 minutes, but it's a bit dumpy and crowded. Bottom line, I do most of my shopping via Amazon. It's my spouse that insists on doing most of her shopping in person. To each their own.

One thing I do like is my attic antenna gets 60 stations from the Orlando market, being a bit closer and more open down here. Not sure how that would work further north. Also love our NG hookup and tankless water heater on the outside of the house vs a full sized one in the garage. And if you haven't seen the new area of Middleton, you have got to. The football stadium is nicer that what some colleges have.

I do wonder what the Villages is going to do with the oldest housing by Spanish Springs. It seems that this is getting a bit long in the tooth and doesn't fit their image anymore. I suppose they could just stay the course, but I wonder at some point would they work out a deal to move it under another management company/set up? Don't know if that's even an option under their contracts with those home owners, but it seems, and just my observation, that they really want to concentrate on development further south.

Not to worry. By the time I die, we will be in the middle of the Villages.

[HandyGrandpap]

The area S of 44 still appears to be highly desirable. Out of curiosity I did a check on Zillow search of the area. Show 20+ homes for sale, which appears low, also a $1M property for sale. Link below

Access to this page has been denied (https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5674-Brett-Way-The-Villages-FL-32163/326179173_zpid/)

[Battlebasset]

I've played Lopez twice and Glenview twice. Great courses. Just a bit of a shlep to get there... But I'll try them all... Eventually...

And I agree. Fenney Grill is one of our favorites. I like Edna's, but the wife's not a big fan of waiting for food at food trucks...

We've been to Sawgrass a few times. McGrady's was fine, but the food court? Again, I'f I'm going out to eat, I want table service...

I'm a guy who lived 12 years in Chicagoland and 15 in NJ, so I'm a bit of a pizza snob. Frenchy's Wood Fired Pizza at Sawgrass (get the meat/meat lovers style) is one of the best I've had around here. To level set, the other places I prefer are Gio's up 301 and Piesano's.

[coffeebean]

Do you know what a Villages SNOW FLAKE is? Not the "political definition"...

It's someone, who's not yet a Frog, but not a "Snow Bird either. Someone who comes and goes as their schedule allows...

And I agree with the OP. Nothing wrong with the areas south of St Catherines, but I have no reason to go down there. Does it mean I'm "bashing" that area? How could you come to that conclusion? Why should I drive there if there nothing there for me? A dog park? I have one close to me, off Moyer Loop. A pitch & putt? I rarely play them, and if I did, I'd go to the one by Edna's. Closer, and I can have lunch afterwards...

And you support the HS in Middleton? You mean the one that just opened last week? The one that hasn't had a single event for you to "support"?

When Middleton opens, I'll check it out. If we like it, we'll add it to the rotation of places we visit. If not, we won't. Isn't that easy?

Just like Spanish Springs. We go up the for shows at The Sharon and an occasional dinner. There's one or two stores there we like but it's a shlep to take the cart there on a regular basis. LSL and Brownwood serve our needs quite nicely... I would think that those down by you rarely go up to Spanish Springs, due to the distance. Does that mean you're "bashing" the area?

I've been over the bridge that crosses 441 ONCE. It was on a sight seeing ride, a couple of years back, when we first moved in to our home. I doubt I'll ever do it again. Not bashing the area. It's just that I have no reason to go there. Why does this always turn into a "my area is better than your area" battle?

I agree with your post completely. As for going over the bridge on 441, we did that once too. It was like a little roller coaster (which I love). I went weeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! and then went weeeeeeeeeee on the way back.

[coffeebean]

No enjoyment is actually seeing and listening to the turnpike.

Few go south for the walking paths.

Uh oh. This discussion is heading south. Catch what I did there? LOL.

[margaretmattson]

I do wonder what the Villages is going to do with the oldest housing by Spanish Springs. It seems that this is getting a bit long in the tooth and doesn't fit their image anymore. I suppose they could just stay the course, but I wonder at some point would they work out a deal to move it under another management company/set up? Don't know if that's even an option under their contracts with those home owners, but it seems, and just my observation, that they really want to concentrate on development further south.

Not to worry. By the time I die, we will be in the middle of the Villages. I can never understand what some people see when looking at the older sections of the villages. Most of the floor plans are identical to the ones in the newest areas. The only difference is that some floor plans have been discontinued. Other than that, All I see is same! same! same! Some owners placed up wallpaper or whatever, so what? Doesn't change the fact that the homes are identical. I wish the developer would change things up a bit. Tired of looking at the same cookie-cutter homes over and over.

Took a drive through Middleton and finally saw homes that are different than the same ol', same ol'. But, By the time the 8000 homes planned are built, they too, will probably be identical to the first ones built. Voila! Another cookie-cutter development.

You feel comfort in knowing that someday you will be located in the middle of the Villages? Do you really believe you are going to love living in a community that is going to be twice the size it is now? A population of nearly half a million? (counting developments like Beaumont, the high-rise apartments, etc. etc.) Yikes! I'm not looking forward to that, at all!

[jimjamuser]

I I have been here since the Villages was only the historic section and Spanish Springs. Not going to lie, I miss those days. Very few people knew of the Villages and it was quaint and private. And, extremely inexpensive!

Along came Legacy and Mulberry area, and we thought our world was ending. We now had to share our "private oasis" with thousands more people. We made that adjustment and happily coexisted.

Wake up one morning, read the Daily Sun and WHAAAAAT? The family is going to build another community on the other side of 466! It was a hard pill to swallow, but we knew nothing could be done. The rest is history. Smile and make the best of it. Development happens!

Like you, I am not interested in the southern area. To me, it is just more of the developer's "same ol" planning and design. But, I am happy for those who have found their little piece of heaven. Welcome everyone and enjoy! Pretty soon, you too, will be complaining about the continual growth like the 8000 homes planned south of your present south. It doesn't seem there will ever be an end.
A very interesting post. Personally, I have not traveled south of 466 since before the Pandemic (BP). At least, not within The Villages. I may have gone further south on 27 / 441. This brings up a larger question.....is population increase and the associated real estate development Good or Bad? Florida had 9 million people when I got here in 1972. Now it is about double. Scientific and medical development is obviously good. But, is there some ideal / optimal population density for any area (like Florida)? Has the quality of life increased for Floridians with ALL population increases or did it top out at 12 Million or some other number?
......For comparison, the world population in 1950 was 2.5 Billion people. It started rapidly increasing after that until today it is 8.1 Billion people.

[Debfrommaine]

I’m just trying to fathom the rational for the original post. Am I supposed to rate where residents decided to live?? I’m at a loss to understand why this post even started

Well said, why start it......makes no sense to me either. Live and let live.

[LuvNH]

OP

you close your post by saying, “Let’s hear it.”
You have been on here long enough to know(or should have) that you were inviting just another bashing conversation. Most of what has been posted already is a rehash of many previous threads.
Hard to determine what your point of starting this thread?

I have to agree, and this is so unlike the OP to post like this. He has always been a perfect gentleman in his writings. This time he got people really stirred up, and I wonder how many pages of replies this will cause.

[margaretmattson]

A very interesting post. Personally, I have not traveled south of 466 since before the Pandemic (BP). At least, not within The Villages. I may have gone further south on 27 / 441. This brings up a larger question.....is population increase and the associated real estate development Good or Bad? Florida had 9 million people when I got here in 1972. Now it is about double. Scientific and medical development is obviously good. But, is there some ideal / optimal population density for any area (like Florida)? Has the quality of life increased for Floridians with ALL population increases or did it top out at 12 Million or some other number?
......For comparison, the world population in 1950 was 2.5 Billion people. It started rapidly increasing after that until today it is 8.1 Billion people.
I do not like the increase in population in the Villages, at all! Not enough businesses and professionals to meet the demand and the cost keeps going up and up.

I wrote a different post nearly the same time you added your post. (Great minds think alike, I guess.) In it, I questioned a poster who is finding comfort in knowing that one day, his new home will be located in the middle of the Villages. Who wants to see a population of nearly one- half million? Not me!

[coffeebean]

Unless they tear down some of the old and build new, south of 44 will control grow like wildfire.

To folks who live south of 44..........just wondering; when ever you do venture north to go to the 441/27 corridor of restaurants. retail stores and medical offices, which route do you take? Do you drive north on Morse Blvd or Buena Vista or do you travel on 301 (or any other road that runs north and south) outside of The Villages and avoid all those round-a-bouts?

[asianthree]

Why point out one thing? What about the squares you visit because there are none (yet) in your area? Or the restaurants? Face it, there isn't any area that has everything. Share, enjoy, and be GLAD we have so many amenities to choose from. Isn't that why most of us came here? So many options!

Squares…really after a month or so one doesn’t go unless company stops by. Restaurants.. we can go farther south to really great restaurants, 10 minutes, out of the bubble and don’t have to settle for mediocre. But we do have walking trails that TV is trying to incorporate in the north. Bonus that a cart doesn’t try to run you over

[asianthree]

To folks who live south of 44..........just wondering; when ever you do venture north to go to the 441/27 corridor of restaurants. retail stores and medical offices, which route do you take? Do you drive north on Morse Blvd or Buena Vista or do you travel on 301 (or any other road that runs north and south) outside of The Villages and avoid all those round-a-bouts?

Non of our medical facilities are in TV, so NO. Restaurants on 441/27 nothing that interests us, so NO. We can go out of bubble with great restaurants. 301 or any road outside, roundabouts still have too people who don’t have a clue. In less than 5 minutes we can be on the turnpike or 1-75.

[skippy05]

South of 44, The developer set aside almost zero areas for shopping and restaurants, but maximized every acre to homes. Did most buyers likely assume the further development would later appear? I'm not sure. Everyone buying in that area seemed to have ignored the problem of Turn Pike noise pollution which is quite intense.

[Bogie Shooter]

Live down in Fenney. I like the less crowded/newer feel, but we are lacking in shopping options vs further north. However, more is getting built, and once the new Costco goes in in Clermont, Goggle says I'll be able to get to it in 35 minutes. Believe that once I make the run. Betting closer to 45 minutes.

We do have good access to the Super Walmart in Leesburg, about 20 minutes, but it's a bit dumpy and crowded. Bottom line, I do most of my shopping via Amazon. It's my spouse that insists on doing most of her shopping in person. To each their own.

One thing I do like is my attic antenna gets 60 stations from the Orlando market, being a bit closer and more open down here. Not sure how that would work further north. Also love our NG hookup and tankless water heater on the outside of the house vs a full sized one in the garage. And if you haven't seen the new area of Middleton, you have got to. The football stadium is nicer that what some colleges have.

I do wonder what the Villages is going to do with the oldest housing by Spanish Springs. It seems that this is getting a bit long in the tooth and doesn't fit their image anymore. I suppose they could just stay the course, but I wonder at some point would they work out a deal to move it under another management company/set up? Don't know if that's even an option under their contracts with those home owners, but it seems, and just my observation, that they really want to concentrate on development further south.

Not to worry. By the time I die, we will be in the middle of the Villages.
What would that accomplish? You are proposing that the area would be under another management company….what are you talking about? SpanishSprings area housing is part of the CDD system.
Your last sentence also doesn’t make any sense. Yep, development is south…….how could other areas (?) be developed?

Next District Orientation date can be found here.
VCDD Orientation (https://districtgov.org/school.aspx)

[ithos]

South of 44, The developer set aside almost zero areas for shopping and restaurants, but maximized every acre to homes. Did most buyers likely assume the further development would later appear? I'm not sure. Everyone buying in that area seemed to have ignored the problem of Turn Pike noise pollution which is quite intense.

I doubt anyone bought a home ignorant of turnpike noise. The developer sold homes at a discount where noise was an issue. It is a matter of what are your priorities.

I'm sure there will be more businesses but if like Brownwood, the developer will wait until there is enough homes sold to support them. But I am guessing. Does anyone have a good link which shows future plans for businesses and amenities?

[JOERILLA]

Pointless post...Sounds like you are extremely bored up there in the North

[Stu from NYC]

I do not like the increase in population in the Villages, at all! Not enough businesses and professionals to meet the demand and the cost keeps going up and up.

I wrote a different post nearly the same time you added your post. (Great minds think alike, I guess.) In it, I questioned a poster who is finding comfort in knowing that one day, his new home will be located in the middle of the Villages. Who wants to see a population of nearly one- half million? Not me!

When you moved here did you not notice that they sell about 300 homes a month? Did you not think the population would rapidly increase?

[vintageogauge]

Why are there so many pre-owned home for sale south of 44?? there must be a good reason for that. Ask yourself why.

Profit takers, south of 44 was a investors paradise. Our investment home down there realized a 70% increase in just 23 months, not bad.

[Crookedbreeze]

Come on man. Makes em feel important.

[asianthree]

South of 44, The developer set aside almost zero areas for shopping and restaurants, but maximized every acre to homes. Did most buyers likely assume the further development would later appear? I'm not sure. Everyone buying in that area seemed to have ignored the problem of Turn Pike noise pollution which is quite intense.

We find the “south” is very much younger..many in their 50s. Most are Very happy not to have the constant traffic large parking lots that are a zoo. Since it’s seems younger…everyone seems happy to drive 5-10 minutes to any area other than the peace and quiet of their neighborhood.

So your personal experience is you don’t like the turnpike noise, and you find it quite intense. Maybe you should rethink living there, that you didn’t go down to the lot you chose and sit for hours many days of the week.

We live 5 streets over, a few times we can hear the humming of the turnpike, than again we can hear the train whistle, and the wheels clacking about the same noise as you call pollution. That’s only outside, in our house we hear nothing, plus have a great view.

But my gut tells me you don’t live anywhere near the turnpike, you like many others that complain about something that one doesn’t have a clue.

We left the north (fourth house) to live in an area so we don’t have to deal with big box, and traffic. We have the ability to drive, maybe once we are in the older age bracket, of the north, we may not want all the walking paths, and retail traffic. But I doubt it

[vintageogauge]

To folks who live south of 44..........just wondering; when ever you do venture north to go to the 441/27 corridor of restaurants. retail stores and medical offices, which route do you take? Do you drive north on Morse Blvd or Buena Vista or do you travel on 301 (or any other road that runs north and south) outside of The Villages and avoid all those round-a-bouts?

I have no need to go north for any of that. Our doctors and specialists are located on 44 with new ones now on warm Springs, plenty of restaurants in Brownwood and Leesburg, the hospital in Leesburg is only a 15 minute drive and I have no desire to go to any retail store at my age, if I need something I order it on line. If I desire action it's one hour door to door from our home to the Hard Rock in Tampa, even less to Disney which I have no desire to go to again. Plenty of things down here for us and there are plenty of things up north for others, it all depends on what you want, it's quiet and peaceful where we live, only a small part of the southern villages have a turnpike noise problem and we are not part of that.

[GoneFishing]

But my mum could beat your dad up. So there!:p

But your mum wears army boots!

[paulajr]

I was just about to post the same thing! What possible reason would anyone have for posting this!!!???

Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling? You’ve been around long enough to know it’ll probably turn into a bash the south fest. I’m glad you’re happy where you’re at. I’m guessing most people are happy where they’re at. They just don’t see the need to post about how they like it more than another specific area.

[RCMill531@comcast.net]

We looked at both and I would not consider living farther north because of the age of the homes, and because our area is so much fresher looking and has a younger vibe. Also, Eastport is coming and very close to us by golf cart.

[vintageogauge]

South of 44, The developer set aside almost zero areas for shopping and restaurants, but maximized every acre to homes. Did most buyers likely assume the further development would later appear? I'm not sure. Everyone buying in that area seemed to have ignored the problem of Turn Pike noise pollution which is quite intense.

That is not true. The intersection of Meggisson Road and warm springs has 3 of 4 corners devoted to commercial building and there are a lot of acres there. Lots more devoted to commercial on 470 and 301 and in addition there are currently retail lots available having 1800 feet of frontage on 301 directly across from DeLuna, this one will be huge. There will be lots of retail coming in when the owners feel the time is right. Everyone buying down here did not ignore the Turnpike as it was a non-issue and still is for the majority of homes down here. I have never heard Turnpike noise and have been here for over 6 years, it is very quiet and peaceful in most areas of the southern villages. Those that chose to live near the pike got great deals on their homes and rarely do you hear of any complaints as they knew when the bought what they were getting. As far as restaurants go Brownwood had very few when they started building south of 44 and as more homes were sold more restaurants opened, that is the same situation down here, we have 4 or 5 that were built as it grew and many more are in the works. It has been fun watching the growth over the last 6 plus years and will continue to be for the next several years and by then we will be known as the central villages rather than the southern villages.

[Altavia]

That is not true. The intersection of Meggisson Road and warm springs has 3 of 4 corners devoted to commercial building and there are a lot of acres there. Lots more devoted to commercial on 470 and 301 and in addition there are currently retail lots available having 1800 feet of frontage on 301 directly across from DeLuna, this one will be huge. There will be lots of retail coming in when the owners feel the time is right. Everyone buying down here did not ignore the Turnpike as it was a non-issue and still is for the majority of homes down here. I have never heard Turnpike noise and have been here for over 6 years, it is very quiet and peaceful in most areas of the southern villages. Those that chose to live near the pike got great deals on their homes and rarely do you hear of any complaints as they knew when the bought what they were getting. As far as restaurants go Brownwood had very few when they started building south of 44 and as more homes were sold more restaurants opened, that is the same situation down here, we have 4 or 5 that were built as it grew and many more are in the works. It has been fun watching the growth over the last 6 plus years and will continue to be for the next several years and by then we will be known as the central villages rather than the southern villages.

Very true.

And Middleton will have a significant impact with the younger families bringing a demographic that will accelerate commercial development and is already planned in their commercial center. To be quickly followed as Eastport develops.

We are already seeing evolutionary change seeing more families and students in the local commercial establishments.

[skippy05]

You are correct there is the gas station, the Wendy's, and KFC for your needs at the Turn Pike service plaza. All conveniently located near high power transmission lines. I woke up, sold and moved north of 44.

[coffeebean]

I doubt anyone bought a home ignorant of turnpike noise. The developer sold homes at a discount where noise was an issue. It is a matter of what are your priorities.

I'm sure there will be more businesses but if like Brownwood, the developer will wait until there is enough homes sold to support them. But I am guessing. Does anyone have a good link which shows future plans for businesses and amenities?

There is Home Depot and Target coming to 466A. That is closer than 441 for those folks down south. Glad that traffic will be averted on 441.

[coffeebean]

When you moved here did you not notice that they sell about 300 homes a month? Did you not think the population would rapidly increase?

When we moved to The Villages back in 2009, we were informed that expansion would end at 466A. We realize now that was just lip service.

[Marathon Man]

Why are there so many pre-owned home for sale south of 44?? there must be a good reason for that. Ask yourself why.

Just how many times are you going to ask this????? It has been answered each of the other times you asked. Here it is again:

People buy knowing that the values are going to rise. It has happened in past new areas and will continue to happen. They sell after 1 -2 years, making a nice profit, and buy in the next new village.

[Marathon Man]

You even quoted his post which stated he WASN'T trashing the area...

You must not feel secure where you live...



Saying "I'm not bashing" does not mean that they are not actually bashing.

[Marathon Man]

We looked at both and I would not consider living farther north because of the age of the homes, and because our area is so much fresher looking and has a younger vibe. Also, Eastport is coming and very close to us by golf cart.

Well said. It is why we left the north and moved to the south.

[JMintzer]

There is Home Depot and Target coming to 466A. That is closer than 441 for those folks down south. Glad that traffic will be averted on 441.

There's already a Lowes on 466A...

[JMintzer]

When we moved to The Villages back in 2009, we were informed that expansion would end at 466A. We realize now that was just lip service.

And the people here before you were told they would stop at 466...

Same as it ever was...

[JMintzer]

Saying "I'm not bashing" does not mean that they are not actually bashing.

Please explain to me where he WAS bashing...

[margaretmattson]

When you moved here did you not notice that they sell about 300 homes a month? Did you not think the population would rapidly increase? I moved here when it was just the historic side and Spanish Springs. Never would I have imagined that the population was going to increase to nearly 1/2 a million. The Villages was unknown back then.

[Debfrommaine]

Just how many times are you going to ask this????? It has been answered each of the other times you asked. Here it is again:

People buy knowing that the values are going to rise. It has happened in past new areas and will continue to happen. They sell after 1 -2 years, making a nice profit, and buy in the next new village.

You are right. I am on my fourth home. The first three in the North paid for my home in the South. We like the newer homes in the South, it's very quiet, younger population, water view, and our taxes are lower. Life is great!

[Number 10 GI]

Complaining about the population growth in this area is hypocritical. Did you not move here from somewhere else? Various sources state that 800 to 1,000 people move to Florida every day so yeah, the area is going to grow. I went to Clairmont the other day and there are new homes and businesses everywhere in that area. I would guess it is a bedroom community for Orlando. Along the Turnpike as you get close to Orlando there are numerous apartments and new homes going up. 800 to 1,000 new people need homes to live in.
If it is getting too crowded in Florida, I hear Detroit has whole neighborhoods that are abandoned.

[margaretmattson]

You are right. I am on my fourth home. The first three in the North paid for my home in the South. We like the newer homes in the South, it's very quiet, younger population, water view, and our taxes are lower. Life is great! I have moved a few times myself in TV, my taxes went up each time because the purchase price of the home was larger than my original home. Add the higher bonds and the additional Wildwood City tax and what you are saying doesn't make sense.

I've been considering another move for six months but have stayed put. Main reason being the homes are too near the turnpike and the ghastly electric towers with NO DISCOUNT offered on the prices of the homes. I was told the homes are priced on the cost of materials and the square footage and no reason for a DISCOUNT because homes were selling out quickly.

Again, glad you love your homes and hope to be down there one day myself, but I do know it is going to be MORE EXPENSIVE than when I purchased my home in the North.

[Debfrommaine]

I have moved a few times myself in TV, my taxes went up each time because the purchase price of the home was larger than my original home. Add the higher bonds and the additional Wildwood City tax and what you are saying doesn't make sense.

I've been considering another move for six months but have stayed put. Main reason being the homes are too near the turnpike and the ghastly electric towers with NO DISCOUNT offered on the prices of the homes. I was told the homes are priced on the cost of materials and the square footage and no reason for a DISCOUNT because homes were selling out quickly.

Again, glad you love your homes and hope to be down there one day myself, but I do know it is going to be MORE EXPENSIVE than when I purchased my home in the North.

I know my truth. Hope you can make it here some day, it truly is lovely. But, it does depend on where you choose to live. I'd never live on Morse Blvd, we let a good house go a few years ago because of the traffic. Have all we need in our little piece of paradise here.

[margaretmattson]

I know my truth. Hope you can make it here some day, it truly is lovely. But, it does depend on where you choose to live. I'd never live on Morse Blvd, we let a good house go a few years ago because of the traffic. Have all we need in our little piece of paradise here. I still do not see how you escaped paying higher taxes unless you sold a home located up north at a high value then bought a cheaper one in the south. But, even if that did occur, the taxes in the south are higher because you have to pay an additional wildwood tax plus the larger bond. Your blanket statement that taxes are lower in the south is not true. Whatever the value of your home is in the south, a same value home in the north has cheaper taxes.

[RCJ61]

Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling? You’ve been around long enough to know it’ll probably turn into a bash the south fest. I’m glad you’re happy where you’re at. I’m guessing most people are happy where they’re at. They just don’t see the need to post about how they like it more than another specific area.
Kind of what I was thinking when I read the post.

[asianthree]

I have moved a few times myself in TV, my taxes went up each time because the purchase price of the home was larger than my original home. Add the higher bonds and the additional Wildwood City tax and what you are saying doesn't make sense.

I've been considering another move for six months but have stayed put. Main reason being the homes are too near the turnpike and the ghastly electric towers with NO DISCOUNT offered on the prices of the homes. I was told the homes are priced on the cost of materials and the square footage and no reason for a DISCOUNT because homes were selling out quickly.

Again, glad you love your homes and hope to be down there one day myself, but I do know it is going to be MORE EXPENSIVE than when I purchased my home in the North.

You are forgetting Lake county is higher taxes
So we are on our 4th home, 1st home 1100sf paid for second 1500sf, (with some extra,)second paid for 3rd home 1935sf, that home will be close to paying latest build 2800sf, with pool. So yes very doable, one needs to be good with money, and when to buy and sell. Yes our taxes are less than last house.

[Regorp]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

We love it south of 44. Our joy overflows when you snow flakes leave and give us more freedom. Enjoy driving to anywhere in TV, since it is awesome in any area.

[margaretmattson]

You are forgetting Lake county is higher taxes
So we are on our 4th home, 1st home 1100sf paid for second 1500sf, (with some extra,)second paid for 3rd home 1935sf, that home will be close to paying latest build 2800sf, with pool. So yes very doable, one needs to be good with money, and when to buy and sell. Yes our taxes are less than last house.

I see! It is all about where you bought and when you bought. Where I live, the taxes on my home are ridiculously cheap. No bond and bought it nearly 15 years ago. I will be paying thousands more in taxes each year if I leave. Everyone has a different case scenario.

[Kvanpera]

You must not feel secure where you live now. Why trash other's living choice? I sure don't care. In 2 or 3 years the south of 44 will be where it is at.
What a stupid post. Please stay north of 44.

[TeresaE]

Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling? You’ve been around long enough to know it’ll probably turn into a bash the south fest. I’m glad you’re happy where you’re at. I’m guessing most people are happy where they’re at. They just don’t see the need to post about how they like it more than another specific area.

Hath not a Villager south of 44 hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Northern Villager is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh?

[asianthree]

I see! It is all about where you bought and when you bought. Where I live, the taxes on my home are ridiculously cheap. No bond and bought it nearly 15 years ago. I will be paying thousands more in taxes each year if I leave. Everyone has a different case scenario.

We have owned since 2010 so few years less than you. We started buying vaca homes, bought and sold every 2 years, upgrade to larger garage and sf each time. We still have our up north home. So our age comes into view.

Since you started with NO bond, one cannot compare to those who bought with small bond. Although when buying and selling, never pay bond off, so it passes on to the next buyer. So that is how one make substantial profits. Since you are looking to move once, that wouldn’t apply to you

[merrymini]

Watch out, your biases are showing! I think this place is amazing and go to what I want to do wherever it is. I was a snowflake once and the animosity toward people who maintain their connection to their home and are only here part time is appalling. Everyone pays their share of taxes and fees which support the system here, so if you wish to come and go, it is your right, and none of my business. I almost cannot believe what I am reading, ignorant and rude.

[GizmoWhiskers]

We looked at both and I would not consider living farther north because of the age of the homes, and because our area is so much fresher looking and has a younger vibe. Also, Eastport is coming and very close to us by golf cart.
Fresher looking? Younger vibe?
That's funny.

Who do you think replaces those who leave T V? Isn't updating a thing? Bottom line, different strokes for different folks.

I prefer living up by Brownwood, the lol OLD "center" of T V. Best of all 30 miles and growing worlds of T V.

Have fun with all the YOUNG people while you drive up to where the OLD people are enjoying the big shade tree golf cart paths, not diamond lanes or treeless dust bowl paths for the next 15 years, a lakefront beautiful townsquare close in to shopping with rolling hills and lots of executive courses.

If youngness and vibe is one's marketed vision then all the power to ya. There is something for everyone and Middleton will certainly sell one that.

[Marathon Man]

Do you suppose the OP has returned to read the replies to that post? And if so, so you suppose "I wish I hadn't done that" is in play?

[Kenswing]

Do you suppose the OP has returned to read the replies to that post? And if so, so you suppose "I wish I hadn't done that" is in play?

The OP has been on this site since 2009. He knew exactly what he was doing when he started this thread. He’s probably sitting back reading all the replies with some kind of perverse pleasure.

[coffeebean]

There's already a Lowes on 466A...

Yes, I know. I have been there.

[coffeebean]

And the people here before you were told they would stop at 466...

Same as it ever was...
Seriously? Were the original TV settlers told expansion would not go south of 466? Anyone here an original settler?

[coffeebean]

I moved here when it was just the historic side and Spanish Springs. Never would I have imagined that the population was going to increase to nearly 1/2 a million. The Villages was unknown back then.
Great. You are exactly the person who can answer my question in my previous post. Were you told that there will be no expansion of The Villages beyond your intimate neighborhood?

[coffeebean]

Watch out, your biases are showing! I think this place is amazing and go to what I want to do wherever it is. I was a snowflake once and the animosity toward people who maintain their connection to their home and are only here part time is appalling. Everyone pays their share of taxes and fees which support the system here, so if you wish to come and go, it is your right, and none of my business. I almost cannot believe what I am reading, ignorant and rude.

We were once seasonal owners of a villa before hubby retired. If what you say is true, luckily we were welcomed to our villa neighborhood with open arms. Everyone was very friendly and we were included in gatherings. I was "sold" on living in the villages long before hubby retired. I love it here.

[vintageogauge]

I have moved a few times myself in TV, my taxes went up each time because the purchase price of the home was larger than my original home. Add the higher bonds and the additional Wildwood City tax and what you are saying doesn't make sense.

I've been considering another move for six months but have stayed put. Main reason being the homes are too near the turnpike and the ghastly electric towers with NO DISCOUNT offered on the prices of the homes. I was told the homes are priced on the cost of materials and the square footage and no reason for a DISCOUNT because homes were selling out quickly.

Again, glad you love your homes and hope to be down there one day myself, but I do know it is going to be MORE EXPENSIVE than when I purchased my home in the North.

And your home in the North is now MORE EXPENSIVE than when you purchased it.

[CosmicTrucker]

Believe me, I’m sure those of us who chose to explore new worlds south of 44 are pleased to hear you have zero interest in joining in on the fun.



I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

[Stu from NYC]

At one point they said the Villages would stop at 44. However when the developer realized they could buy a lot more land and sell many thousand more homes they realized they had a great thing going and continued.

Would you think other businesses would not have done the same thing?

[Two Bills]

The OP has been vilified for a simple post.
Anyone with a modicum of sense could see see it was not trolling.
Badly worded? Maybe.
OP has been around for years, a regular non controversial poster, and does not deserve the crap and innuendo being thrown at him/her.
So many these days just can't wait to be offended.
Shame on the lot of you.

[Andyhope]

Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling? You’ve been around long enough to know it’ll probably turn into a bash the south fest. I’m glad you’re happy where you’re at. I’m guessing most people are happy where they’re at. They just don’t see the need to post about how they like it more than another specific area.
Too much time on hands😀

[Fltpkr]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

So, the purpose of this post is to share your feeling that south of 44 doesn’t exist. How kind!

[daveczo]

I am sure there are many people who love their home south of hwy 44. There are more and more amenities available in those areas and some, if not most, of the area is quite beautiful. I have been coming to TV since 2010 and have owned a Villa in Sanibel from 2018-2021 and a designer home in LaBelle North since then. Who knows how long we will continue to be snowflakes, spending Five months in TV and seven months in Kansas City, but for now that works well for us. The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist. I see no reason to go down there, not that there aren’t good things there, but because everything I need or want exists above hwy 44. I am certainly not bashing that area, I realize there are great reasons that people choose to live there and many, if not most, love it. I think I represent a lot of people who would never consider moving south of 44, not out of a dislike or hate for that area, but just because we find nothing about that area that offers anything that appeals to us that we can’t access north. Please know, I’m not a hater of the new areas, just someone who is very fond of the areas north and with zero interest in the areas south. I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.

100% agree!

[Littlestone]

It seems there are so many that just
can’t control the need to bash (your words, not mine ) whatever you don’t agree with! His comments were well written & nothing was said that should offend anyone!

[Bill14564]

The OP has been vilified for a simple post.
Anyone with a modicum of sense could see see it was not trolling.
Badly worded? Maybe.
OP has been around for years, a regular non controversial poster, and does not deserve the crap and innuendo being thrown at him/her.
So many these days just can't wait to be offended.
Shame on the lot of you.

It seems there are so many that just
can’t control the need to bash (your words, not mine ) whatever you don’t agree with! His comments were well written & nothing was said that should offend anyone!

Badly worded or well written?

To me, it was possible to give the OP the benefit of a doubt until the last line:
I presume there are some who feel the same as us, just as I am sure there are others who strongly disagree. Let’s hear it.
Seems a lot like tossing out a controversial statement then challenging others to comment. Intentional and trolling.

My first thought was that I could agree that I can't think of anything south of 44 that I don't have where I am now. Then I thought of how often my wife and/or I travel south to get to events at the rec centers, meet with people, eat at the different restaurants, enjoy Edna's or Sawgrass, or simply go for a drive.

Everything I need was in my hometown that I left almost 40 years ago. Everything I need was in the town I moved from three years ago. Everything I need is between my house and Grand Traverse plaza. But it sure is nice to have the variety of the rest of the area including south of 44 and outside the bubble.

[JMintzer]

What a stupid post. Please stay north of 44.

Er... You might want to re-read that post before calling someone else's post "stupid"...

[JMintzer]

Watch out, your biases are showing! I think this place is amazing and go to what I want to do wherever it is. I was a snowflake once and the animosity toward people who maintain their connection to their home and are only here part time is appalling. Everyone pays their share of taxes and fees which support the system here, so if you wish to come and go, it is your right, and none of my business. I almost cannot believe what I am reading, ignorant and rude.

Animosity?

I haven't seen it... Our neighbors welcome us back with open arms. I slide right back into the two golf groups, as does my wife. They want to know what we've been up to while we were away... She has her Mah Jong and golf groups that call to find out when we're coming back...

It's like we never left...

We're having a big Thanksgiving dinner at our home in MD this year. We're having about a dozen "Villagers" drive up and join us...

It's going to be insane, but SWMBO lives for that!

[JMintzer]

Yes, I know. I have been there.

Been there? I have a room in the back, I'm there so often! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Seriously? Were the original TV settlers told expansion would not go south of 466? Anyone here an original settler?

It's all nonsense, since nothing was given in writing...

[Bill14564]

It's all nonsense, since nothing was given in writing...

What possible reason would a developer have for stating, in writing, that they will never expand their development?

Sure, they might tell you they currently have no plans to expand. Or, they might tell you they don't own the property south of <466, 466A, 44, xxx>. But when land becomes available, plans change.

(I know you understand this but I'm amazed at how many apparently don't.)

[JMintzer]

At one point they said the Villages would stop at 44. However when the developer realized they could buy a lot more land and sell many thousand more homes they realized they had a great thing going and continued.

Would you think other businesses would not have done the same thing?

Once they started building Brownwood, some 7-8 years ago, if anyone actually thought they were going to stop @ 44 should have had their head examined...

There was no way that Town Square was built for just the area around Buena Vista and Hillsborough...

[ithos]

The OP has been on this site since 2009. He knew exactly what he was doing when he started this thread. He’s probably sitting back reading all the replies with some kind of perverse pleasure.

Well it has reached 11 pages. I don't know how you determine if it is a successful post but I am sure the advertising agents at the TOV appreciate it.

You know, bad posts are better than no posts.

[Stu from NYC]

Once they started building Brownwood, some 7-8 years ago, if anyone actually thought they were going to stop @ 44 should have had their head examined...

There was no way that Town Square was built for just the area around Buena Vista and Hillsborough...

I seem to recall that village sales rep were spreading the word that the villages would be built out at 44. Thinking that info was to drum up resale business.

[JMintzer]

It seems there are so many that just
can’t control the need to bash (your words, not mine ) whatever you don’t agree with! His comments were well written & nothing was said that should offend anyone!

I agree... It must be that some have an inferiority complex...

I've never bashed south of 44. I travel down there quite often.

BUT... When we were looking to buy, Chitty Chatty and Bradford were all that was available (new), and SWMBO would NOT buy a home with power lines near it, or even within view. That was her red line...

We looked in Marsh bend, but nothing was available, so we found our home in Osceola Hills.

Since then, we looked in Richmond and Marsh Bend (which we both like a lot, as long as it's not too close to the turnpike), but we've not seen anything that would cause us to move...

Once we're frogs, I would like to find a place w/a pool. So, we'll see what happens...

[Bogie Shooter]

I seem to recall that village sales rep were spreading the word that the villages would be built out at 44. Thinking that info was to drum up resale business.

Was that recalled from the grapevine?

[ithos]

Once they started building Brownwood, some 7-8 years ago, if anyone actually thought they were going to stop @ 44 should have had their head examined...

There was no way that Town Square was built for just the area around Buena Vista and Hillsborough...

They had to say that. Can you imagine how much more they would have to pay for the new properties if they said " sure, we are going to expand until we run out of land to buy"

[manaboutown]

I seem to recall that village sales rep were spreading the word that the villages would be built out at 44. Thinking that info was to drum up resale business.

That was a scare tactic used to drive sales IMHO. Buy now or lose out message. It implies future scarcity. Act now!

[asianthree]

It's all nonsense, since nothing was given in writing...

In 2007 our first stay, we were told by every sales rep VLS and MLS, that this was the last homes to be built. LSL was a ghost town, it was so new.

The Minute a new home was finished it sold 30 seconds later. The “no more building” was a great sales technique. Every new and preowned home was selling in a panic, because of that rumor.

Looking back TV already had property beyond, and then some, but that wasn’t public knowledge. So they family has held true in keeping what the next move is very tight.

We waited didn’t buy into the buying frenzy, waited, new area opened and we bought a new home for $26,000 less than in “07”.

So yes there was that rumor never in writing, because the family knew exactly what they were doing, as in smart business people

[asianthree]

I agree... It must be that some have an inferiority complex...

I've never bashed south of 44. I travel down there quite often.

BUT... When we were looking to buy, Chitty Chatty and Bradford were all that was available (new), and SWMBO would NOT buy a home with power lines near it, or even within view. That was her red line...

We looked in Marsh bend, but nothing was available, so we found our home in Osceola Hills.

Since then, we looked in Richmond and Marsh Bend (which we both like a lot, as long as it's not too close to the turnpike), but we've not seen anything that would cause us to move...

Once we're frogs, I would like to find a place w/a pool. So, we'll see what happens...

We are building a pool in Richmond as are multiple homes in Richmond. In 1-2 years there will be homes with pools for sale.

[JMintzer]

They had to say that. Can you imagine how much more they would have to pay for the new properties if they said " sure, we are going to expand until we run out of land to buy"

Exactly. That is why I take all of these "We're going to stop building when we reach XYZ" with a BOULDER of salt...

[JMintzer]

In 2007 our first stay, we were told by every sales rep VLS and MLS, that this was the last homes to be built. LSL was a ghost town, it was so new.

The Minute a new home was finished it sold 30 seconds later. The “no more building” was a great sales technique. Every new and preowned home was selling in a panic, because of that rumor.

Looking back TV already had property beyond, and then some, but that wasn’t public knowledge. So they family has held true in keeping what the next move is very tight.

We waited didn’t buy into the buying frenzy, waited, new area opened and we bought a new home for $26,000 less than in “07”.

So yes there was that rumor never in writing, because the family knew exactly what they were doing, as in smart business people

So what was the "sales technique" they used that caused them to need a "lottery' for the new homes south of 44?

What was their "scare tactic"?

[JMintzer]

We are building a pool in Richmond as are multiple homes in Richmond. In 1-2 years there will be homes with pools for sale.

Plenty of places in our neighborhood and the immediate area with pools. I'd like to stay close to the friends we have now...

One thing about TV, there are always houses for sale...

[ithos]

Exactly. That is why I take all of these "We're going to stop building when we reach XYZ" with a BOULDER of salt...

Ok, then how much more can they expand? And in what direction? Looks like it is clear sailing until Center Hill.

[Bill14564]

Ok, then how much more can they expand? And in what direction? Looks like it is clear sailing until Center Hill.

I thought I remembered an article saying they had purchased something like 10 miles south of 44 but I can't find it now. If that was correct then it would bring them to Center Hill.

[Papa_lecki]

I seem to recall that village sales rep were spreading the word that the villages would be built out at 44. Thinking that info was to drum up resale business.

When they were selling between 466A and 44, the VLS sales agents would have had NO idea how far south building will stop.

But, as was said before, look at Brownwood - there are houses on 2 sides of it, not 4. Anyone could have assumed building was going to continue south.

I also think the Developer has a long term strategy (i.e. to expand south); but not the exact execution plan - (i.e. buy this plot of land, that plot of land, build here now, build here in 2033). Too many ‘what ifs’ over the next 10p 15 years.
Building speed will change dramatically if interest rates are 2.5% vs 7.5%.

[Stu from NYC]

Ok, then how much more can they expand? And in what direction? Looks like it is clear sailing until Center Hill.

East or west or lots of open land along 466 and other places, would think that somewhere along the line the owners would be more interested in selling.

[Linda Spille]

Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling? You’ve been around long enough to know it’ll probably turn into a bash the south fest. I’m glad you’re happy where you’re at. I’m guessing most people are happy where they’re at. They just don’t see the need to post about how they like it more than another specific area.

right???

[JMintzer]

Ok, then how much more can they expand? And in what direction? Looks like it is clear sailing until Center Hill.

All I know is from a video where they said they have enough land to keep them building for the next 15+ years...

But who knows for sure?

[asianthree]

So what was the "sales technique" they used that caused them to need a "lottery' for the new homes south of 44?

What was their "scare tactic"?

There was no threats, people were truly worried the line was drawn in the sand, building was done. Where the rumors started no idea, just info spewing from MLS to buy preowned, before they were gone.

Our VLS, told us trying to get new was probably out of the question, because the wait list for what ever house was up next selling sight unseen. Yes reps were in the dark then.Multiple Strangers we played golf confirmed, each was on list for a house.

Our VLS said no worries if build does stop, houses come on the market everyday here. Someone dies, tee time available and house to sell. That is true

[Escape Artist]

The homes are nicer, with “updated” styles and features south of 44 , but I liked the established flora and fauna north of 44 and the convenience of having a lot of choices for shopping and amenities nearby.

[Stu from NYC]

All I know is from a video where they said they have enough land to keep them building for the next 15+ years...

But who knows for sure?

That is 54,000 homes think they have a lot more land than that.

[JMintzer]

That is 54,000 homes think they have a lot more land than that.

Hence the "+"...

Oh, and 15 X 3000 homes/year = 75K homes...

Last year was over 4K new homes and they are on track to beat 3K new homes this year...

[JMintzer]

There was no threats, people were truly worried the line was drawn in the sand, building was done. Where the rumors started no idea, just info spewing from MLS to buy preowned, before they were gone.

Our VLS, told us trying to get new was probably out of the question, because the wait list for what ever house was up next selling sight unseen. Yes reps were in the dark then.Multiple Strangers we played golf confirmed, each was on list for a house.

Our VLS said no worries if build does stop, houses come on the market everyday here. Someone dies, tee time available and house to sell. That is true

Okay, but that didn't answer my question asking what "scare tactic" did they use that caused the need for the new "lottery" system to buy a new home?

It's obvious that they're not stopping building more homes anytime soon, right?

[Bill14564]

That is 54,000 homes think they have a lot more land than that.

Hence the "+"...

Oh, and 15 X 3000 homes/year = 75K homes...

Last year was over 4K new homes and they are on track to beat 3K new homes this year...

Can someone explain the new math to me? When I was in school 15x3000=45000

[asianthree]

Okay, but that didn't answer my question asking what "scare tactic" did they use that caused the need for the new "lottery" system to buy a new home?

It's obvious that they're not stopping building more homes anytime soon, right?

There wasn’t a scare tactic..just as there wasn’t one during the pandemic when homes were selling before they could take pics.

Supply and demand, those who wanted to live in the new LSL area, because that could be the last square. Brownwood property was already in family, but public did know that.
When we came in 07 SS retail space, was full, KBs was packed with people who spent money on good food, and a great bar, with entertainment.

LSL had was empty, developer owned retail and restaurant, movie theater, although you had to go to SS for any new movies. You didn’t have people (Goldwing nut) flying drones over land that was starting to be developed, to know building wouldn’t stop. Houses took longer in those days, it’s wasn’t the science as todays build. Home were no built in 30 days as they are now. Our first home we bought in May, July first the homes across the street were just being completed. So again less homes on the market, more people looking than available

The developer was advertising heavily on golf tournaments, and golf magazines. A lifestyle package included breakfast at what is now Panera. Dinner at KBs, Palmer, Lopez, 4 rounds of golf at champ of your choosing, tennis, 4 movie tickets, and 2 classes of your choice. All for $285 4 days 3 nights at LSL.

Once people came here, they fell in love with the “lifestyle”. Many wanted to buy while there were houses.

Not at anytime did our rep, who is now over most of all sales reps, pressure us. In fact he called us once gave us his contact number if we wanted to see homes. We choose not to look, with him, stopped at couple open houses. 2 more visits before we finally called him to look at houses. Again no scare tactics, from our rep, just people who didn’t want to miss getting a home here.

[Stu from NYC]

Can someone explain the new math to me? When I was in school 15x3000=45000

I stand by 54,000. Sell 300 homes a month that is 3600 per year. Over 15 years that is 54,000.

[GreySkies]

.... The point of this post is that, as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist.....

This month is my third time renting at TV for a 6-month period, this time I am renting in the newer area opposite the Turnpike. Last year when I rented north of 44, I cut my 6-month rental 2 months short because I felt I was simply meeting the wrong people and I was tired of getting negative vibes from a group of Villagers I kept running into that seemed to always complain about everything, specifically about part-time / rental only Villagers. I personally could not care what they think of me as a “renter”, but their rudeness and self-entitled attitude may offend others.

After reading your post you seem to possess the same rudeness and “self-entitled attitude” as the people I met last year with your comments about living south of 44, did you really have to post “as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist.” ?

Since you’re a part timer also I am beginning to wonder if some of the comments I heard from the people I met last year about part timers may be justified?

Anyway I have only been here a week and so far its been good, nice people so far so I am GLAD south of 44 does exist!

[Bill14564]

I stand by 54,000. Sell 300 homes a month that is 3600 per year. Over 15 years that is 54,000.

Thank you

[mikeycereal]

Welp, I love where I live south of 44... turnpike noise and all. I love going out on my lanai and waving at the truckers to blow their horns. Music to my ears. :duck:

[kkingston57]

When they were selling between 466A and 44, the VLS sales agents would have had NO idea how far south building will stop.

But, as was said before, look at Brownwood - there are houses on 2 sides of it, not 4. Anyone could have assumed building was going to continue south.

I also think the Developer has a long term strategy (i.e. to expand south); but not the exact execution plan - (i.e. buy this plot of land, that plot of land, build here now, build here in 2033). Too many ‘what ifs’ over the next 10p 15 years.
Building speed will change dramatically if interest rates are 2.5% vs 7.5%.

Bet most buyers in TV use cash, after they sell their northern home.

[Finchs]

A lot of people from north of 44 seem to be enjoying the over 28 miles of walking/biking trails we have down here (with more to come) since you have none north of 44.

We don't need Walking Trails on the Northside of The Villages: We have GOLF COURSES! (Eat your heart out!)
:laugh:

[Altavia]

We don't need Walking Trails on the Northside of The Villages: We have GOLF COURSES! (Eat your heart out!)
:laugh:

Non-playing walkers are allowed on golf courses?

[Normal]

Welp, I love where I live south of 44... turnpike noise and all. I love going out on my lanai and waving at the truckers to blow their horns. Music to my ears. :duck:

Where would you be able to do that at?

[JMintzer]

Can someone explain the new math to me? When I was in school 15x3000=45000

I forgot to carry the 11... :loco:

[JMintzer]

There wasn’t a scare tactic..just as there wasn’t one during the pandemic when homes were selling before they could take pics.

Supply and demand, those who wanted to live in the new LSL area, because that could be the last square. Brownwood property was already in family, but public did know that.
When we came in 07 SS retail space, was full, KBs was packed with people who spent money on good food, and a great bar, with entertainment.

LSL had was empty, developer owned retail and restaurant, movie theater, although you had to go to SS for any new movies. You didn’t have people (Goldwing nut) flying drones over land that was starting to be developed, to know building wouldn’t stop. Houses took longer in those days, it’s wasn’t the science as todays build. Home were no built in 30 days as they are now. Our first home we bought in May, July first the homes across the street were just being completed. So again less homes on the market, more people looking than available

The developer was advertising heavily on golf tournaments, and golf magazines. A lifestyle package included breakfast at what is now Panera. Dinner at KBs, Palmer, Lopez, 4 rounds of golf at champ of your choosing, tennis, 4 movie tickets, and 2 classes of your choice. All for $285 4 days 3 nights at LSL.

Once people came here, they fell in love with the “lifestyle”. Many wanted to buy while there were houses.

Not at anytime did our rep, who is now over most of all sales reps, pressure us. In fact he called us once gave us his contact number if we wanted to see homes. We choose not to look, with him, stopped at couple open houses. 2 more visits before we finally called him to look at houses. Again no scare tactics, from our rep, just people who didn’t want to miss getting a home here.

So, using your theory, there would be no reason to "scare" people by telling them that they would stop building when they reached (insert highway here)...

Or am I wrong about that?

[JMintzer]

This month is my third time renting at TV for a 6-month period, this time I am renting in the newer area opposite the Turnpike. Last year when I rented north of 44, I cut my 6-month rental 2 months short because I felt I was simply meeting the wrong people and I was tired of getting negative vibes from a group of Villagers I kept running into that seemed to always complain about everything, specifically about part-time / rental only Villagers. I personally could not care what they think of me as a “renter”, but their rudeness and self-entitled attitude may offend others.

After reading your post you seem to possess the same rudeness and “self-entitled attitude” as the people I met last year with your comments about living south of 44, did you really have to post “as far as I’m concerned, south of 44 doesn’t exist.” ?

Since you’re a part timer also I am beginning to wonder if some of the comments I heard from the people I met last year about part timers may be justified?

Anyway I have only been here a week and so far its been good, nice people so far so I am GLAD south of 44 does exist!

Funny, many of the complaints about renters are coming from those who bought in the newer sections...

And why is it "rude" and a "self-entitled attitude" to comment that a place that you have no reason to visit "doesn't exist" in one's mind?

Could it be your own inferiority complex showing?

Frankly, I have no idea, since I don't know you. Just like you don't know the person you're attacking...

I have no reason to visit several places in TV, both north and south of me. To me, they don't exist, since I doubt I'll ever go there. Is that a bad thing? Why waste my time worrying about places I'll never go?

As I've said (no countless times), be happy where you chose to live and stop worrying about what others think about it...

[JMintzer]

Bet most buyers in TV use cash, after they sell their northern home.

Yes, but when a mortgage is @ 2.5%, it may be better to keep your cash working for you...

[JMintzer]

Where would you be able to do that at?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/58/66/8a/58668a745e52ce3981b741b7d6ef2527.jpg

[coffeebean]

Welp, I love where I live south of 44... turnpike noise and all. I love going out on my lanai and waving at the truckers to blow their horns. Music to my ears. :duck:

You are joking. Right?

[Marathon Man]

We don't need Walking Trails on the Northside of The Villages: We have GOLF COURSES! (Eat your heart out!)
:laugh:

Everyone who lives in The Villages has golf courses. Travel times vary, that's all. No heart eating here.

[Charm1]

I’m just trying to fathom the rational for the original post. Am I supposed to rate where residents decided to live?? I’m at a loss to understand why this post even started

We moved from the northernmost part of the Villages all the way down to Newell. And guess what? We love it here!

I am so glad you love where you live, but why do I care that you don't want to come down here? What is the reason for your post? Just to bash those of us who decide to purchase down here?
I still plan to come to Spanish Springs and even play golf up at Orange Blossom, from time to time. Those are all part of THE VILLAGES, right? My ID is good for any of the courses, rec centers, clubs, etc. Yet, I don't feel the need to say that it is better down south.
Last I heard, there was not a competition. Why can't you just enjoy where you are, and leave it at that?:welcome:

[Sandy and Ed]

Actually there is a purpose.

This thread has 5 pages, as of now, almost 70 posts.

The thread was started by an account that is probably related TOTV owners/managers. It’s purpose is TOTV engagement, which leads to $$$$

Look, almost all of these posts, the TOTV hot topics are posted shortly after the middle of the month, it gives us 2 weeks to engage, and wahla, TOTV numbers increase for advertisers.
I tend to agree. TOTV is an excellent tool for the developer to test the pulse of the community. (survey)

[vintageogauge]

We don't need Walking Trails on the Northside of The Villages: We have GOLF COURSES! (Eat your heart out!)
:laugh:

Which are supposed to be for golfers. Also TV anounced building 3 more Champion Courses down here as well as 3 more executive and another pitch and put. Lots of golf and lots of dedicated peaceful hike and bike trails.

[vintageogauge]

You are joking. Right?

There actually are some streets over by the Pike that you can wave to the drivers LOL but people knew that when they bought them at giveaway prices and don't seem to mind. Maybe they used to live by airports or other highways, who knows.

[Djean1981]

You must be very very bored. Open the Villages app - Calendar and find some activities.

But, the south has a lot more nature trails.

[JMintzer]

Everyone who lives in The Villages has golf courses. Travel times vary, that's all. No heart eating here.

Everyone who live in TV has "walking paths", as well...

[margaretmattson]

Everyone who live in TV has "walking paths", as well... Right! There are walking paths everywhere! In the northern areas you just have to know where to find them. For instance, there is a beautiful garden path in Lake Sumter Landing near the Creekside CYV. And, another path that runs through the back of the landing complete with beautiful waterfalls. Plus many more throughout the Northern area. Few people use them because they do not know about them.

[MrChip72]

5 years from now these types of threads will have the title "South of 470"

[Michael 61]

5 years from now these types of threads will have the title "South of 470"

You’re absolutely right - and there will unfortunately be those from Middleton and Eastport (the new north end), that will bash those newbies who have bought homes south of 470.

[Michael 61]

5 years from now these types of threads will have the title "South of 470"

Or…. In 10+ years will there be a reverse, as Spanish Springs begins to “turn over” and a new generation comes in to replace older residents and “gentrifies” the area, thus becoming the new younger, hot spot?

[Altavia]

Or…. In 10+ years will there be a reverse, as Spanish Springs begins to “turn over” and a new generation comes in to replace older residents and “gentrifies” the area, thus becoming the new younger, hot spot?

Or as in other urban areas, since interneral restrictions are not enforced, aging homes and neighborhoods will start to degrade, converted to rentals and remaing residents will migrate south.

[margaretmattson]

There actually are some streets over by the Pike that you can wave to the drivers LOL but people knew that when they bought them at giveaway prices and don't seem to mind. Maybe they used to live by airports or other highways, who knows. Give away prices? I must have missed that! When I was looking for a home in that area I was told "no discounts."

[Papa_lecki]

Everyone who live in TV has "walking paths", as well...

In most cases, they are called sidewalks.

[margaretmattson]

bIn most cases, they are called sidewalks. Not true at all! People do not know where the paths are in the Northern area. I have been walking these paths daily for years, each time, it feels like my private sanctuary. The paths are beautiful and surrounded by gardens.

[Stu from NYC]

Give away prices? I must have missed that! When I was looking for a home in that area I was told "no discounts."

I have heard that homes by the turnpike do go for less due to noise issues

[Marathon Man]

Everyone who live in TV has "walking paths", as well...

Absolutely. That is why I never say "we have" or "they have" when talking about the various areas of TV. Everyone has everything. Choose the area that you like and the home you like and then travel to the things you want to do. That is what I have learned in my years here.

It is not a contest.

[Marathon Man]

Give away prices? I must have missed that! When I was looking for a home in that area I was told "no discounts."

No discounts, but they were certainly priced lower that other homes.

[MrChip72]

Or…. In 10+ years will there be a reverse, as Spanish Springs begins to “turn over” and a new generation comes in to replace older residents and “gentrifies” the area, thus becoming the new younger, hot spot?

I'm not sure that will come to fruition. The homes south of 44 are much more modern overall. You're not going to have many people fulfilling their dream of retiring in their mid 50's and getting excited living in prefab homes with oak or white MDF cupboards and featuring linoleum and parquet flooring like exists in the north end.

[MrChip72]

I have heard that homes by the turnpike do go for less due to noise issues

For sure, they were the last ones in DeLuna to sell. The developer was smart though, the neighborhoods that back onto the turnpike are all the cheapest home designs in the first place (Cottage and Patio villas), so they weren't really discounting them that much in the end. Selling for $270k or something like that.

[gobuck827]

You’re absolutely right - and there will unfortunately be those from Middleton and Eastport (the new north end), that will bash those newbies who have bought homes south of 470.

Middleton is South of 470.

[golfing eagles]

Middleton is South of 470.

Please don’t confuse these people with the facts

[Stu from NYC]

For sure, they were the last ones in DeLuna to sell. The developer was smart though, the neighborhoods that back onto the turnpike are all the cheapest home designs in the first place (Cottage and Patio villas), so they weren't really discounting them that much in the end. Selling for $270k or something like that.

Wonder how many people who moved near the turnpike would do it again.

[Marathon Man]

Wonder how many people who moved near the turnpike would do it again.

I don't see any for sell signs.

[asianthree]

Wonder how many people who moved near the turnpike would do it again.

House down the street that lanai face’s turnpike without berm or wall. Yes you can see all lanes. They are selling, to buy 5 houses down, that has room for a pool. So yes they would. We have met people who live next to 1-75, turnpikes, interstate, airports. The turnpike can be quite compared to where they moved from.

Both of our boys live in cities, they didn’t notice occasional hum from the turnpike p, when we asked them. But we are 4 streets over, and those homes have a wall, then significant distance to turnpike

[pkfavreau2]

I am not thrilled that Middleton families will have access to The Villages. At first we were told they would not have access and have their own amenities, which they do. Now they are being given access, so there will be a lot of teenagers with their permits or licenses driving around TV south of 44. Must be a sales incentive. That is one reason I am glad that I live north of 44. Nothing against children but I moved here because TV was advertised as a 55-year-old community with only 20% under 55. The sales person that sold us our home said it would be people whose children were grown, 40 and over. I know a couple people moving over to Middleton from TV due to the home prices being lower and you get so much more land and house.

[gobuck827]

I am not thrilled that Middleton families will have access to The Villages. At first we were told they would not have access and have their own amenities, which they do. Now they are being given access, so there will be a lot of teenagers with their permits or licenses driving around TV south of 44. Must be a sales incentive. That is one reason I am glad that I live north of 44. Nothing against children but I moved here because TV was advertised as a 55-year-old community with only 20% under 55. The sales person that sold us our home said it would be people whose children were grown, 40 and over. I know a couple people moving over to Middleton from TV due to the home prices being lower and you get so much more land and house.

What exactly do you mean by "access"? Are you implying that residents of Middleton will be able to use Village amenities (a false statement as far as I am aware) or that they will be able to drive on Village roadways (which anyone can do already, including North of 44)?

[Bill14564]

I am not thrilled that Middleton families will have access to The Villages. At first we were told they would not have access and have their own amenities, which they do. Now they are being given access, so there will be a lot of teenagers with their permits or licenses driving around TV south of 44. Must be a sales incentive. That is one reason I am glad that I live north of 44. Nothing against children but I moved here because TV was advertised as a 55-year-old community with only 20% under 55. The sales person that sold us our home said it would be people whose children were grown, 40 and over. I know a couple people moving over to Middleton from TV due to the home prices being lower and you get so much more land and house.

How tall did you expect the wall between Middleton and the Villages to be?

Of course they will have access to the Villages by car! Oregonians have access to the Villages by car if they choose to drive this far. Sales incentive? I think it is more likely Federal law.

Access to the Villages by golf cart? Can you imagine the outrage when Middleton is built out with businesses and restaurants if Villagers could not get to them?

[JMintzer]

Absolutely. That is why I never say "we have" or "they have" when talking about the various areas of TV. Everyone has everything. Choose the area that you like and the home you like and then travel to the things you want to do. That is what I have learned in my years here.

It is not a contest.

Thank you for getting my point...

[JMintzer]

I'm not sure that will come to fruition. The homes south of 44 are much more modern overall. You're not going to have many people fulfilling their dream of retiring in their mid 50's and getting excited living in prefab homes with oak or white MDF cupboards and featuring linoleum and parquet flooring like exists in the north end.

Interestingly enough, there's this thing people do when they don't like the current decor of a house...

I believe it's called "remodeling"... In fact, many have already done it to their homes...

And only a small percentage of the homes around SS are the "pre-fab" variety...

Look at the homes in the areas south and west of SS. Some beautiful homes. Some for sale that have been updated...

[Stu from NYC]

House down the street that lanai face’s turnpike without berm or wall. Yes you can see all lanes. They are selling, to buy 5 houses down, that has room for a pool. So yes they would. We have met people who live next to 1-75, turnpikes, interstate, airports. The turnpike can be quite compared to where they moved from.

Both of our boys live in cities, they didn’t notice occasional hum from the turnpike p, when we asked them. But we are 4 streets over, and those homes have a wall, then significant distance to turnpike

Grew up in Brooklyn along the flight path of JFK depending upon weather conditions. Very often planes (ever 2 minutes or so) come by and all talking must stop for a minute or so.

After that not about to buy property where noise is a factor. Other people are welcome to do as they wish.

[asianthree]

I am not thrilled that Middleton families will have access to The Villages. At first we were told they would not have access and have their own amenities, which they do. Now they are being given access, so there will be a lot of teenagers with their permits or licenses driving around TV south of 44. Must be a sales incentive. That is one reason I am glad that I live north of 44. Nothing against children but I moved here because TV was advertised as a 55-year-old community with only 20% under 55. The sales person that sold us our home said it would be people whose children were grown, 40 and over. I know a couple people moving over to Middleton from TV due to the home prices being lower and you get so much more land and house.

You have been here since 2014, and don’t realize there are already families living in family villages, within TV? (Sorry had to make that clear.) you are probably so far north, I am betting you will never see Middleton youth roaming your area. They will be required to have a bright purple sticky note on their forehead.:girlneener::oops: if you see them near your house there will be a 800 number to call to report them.

In “07” when we visited SS had lots of local kids roaming the town square. LSL not so much, because there were only 3 or 4 businesses open. Eyes wide open, means you are aware of surroundings

But you might get kids who live in surrounding areas. Last I looked kids don’t come with a post it notes on their forehead where they live.

[Gpsma]

Grew up in Brooklyn along the flight path of JFK depending upon weather conditions. Very often planes (ever 2 minutes or so) come by and all talking must stop for a minute or so.

After that not about to buy property where noise is a factor. Other people are welcome to do as they wish.

Depending on where u were in brooklyn…the concord sst would come over! Shake the ground!

[Altavia]

Wonder how many people who moved near the turnpike would do it again.

Not an issue for millions of buyers

There are many people living near the Turnpike, I95, I75, I4, etc. all over Florida.

Large parts of south Florida have the Turnpike on one side and I95.

[Gpsma]

Everyone north of 44 now knows the south of 44 will be the destuction of the villages.

[Randall55]

You have been here since 2014, and don’t realize there are already families living in family villages, within TV? (Sorry had to make that clear.) you are probably so far north, I am betting you will never see Middleton youth roaming your area. They will be required to have a bright purple sticky note on their forehead.:girlneener::oops: if you see them near your house there will be a 800 number to call to report them.

In “07” when we visited SS had lots of local kids roaming the town square. LSL not so much, because there were only 3 or 4 businesses open. Eyes wide open, means you are aware of surroundings

But you might get kids who live in surrounding areas. Last I looked kids don’t come with a post it notes on their forehead where they live. Not certain what the point of this post is. If you were sold a promise that you were buying into a 55+ community then that is what you should receive. Not concerned about who uses the roads or squares. Both are public! As far as I know, no children live in the Villages.

[PugMom]

We are also seasoned Villagers, owning since 2015 and visiting several times during the ten year period before that. When we bought, Brownwood was a ghost town, they were still cranking out homes north of 44, Belle Glade recently opened, and there was no Village’s south of Brownwood. I mostly agree with the above, except for the part about the area south of 44 not existing as far as we are concerned. It definitely exists, and it has effected us in both positive and negative ways. The negatives are minimal, but real for this long time northern Villager. They include the fact that there are many more homes competing for the not enough service providers in the area. Examples include our long time irrigation guy is booking over a year out and not taking new customers and swimming pool service companies that simply can’t find enough good technicians. That didn’t used to be a problem many years ago. Then there was the 25% property tax increase necessitated by the infrastructure expenses required for the newer areas. Also, the number of both Championship and Executive golf holes per rooftop has been seriously diluted since we purchased our home, diminishing the overall golfing experience. And forget about taking the Village’s Airport Van if you live in the northern parts of the Villages. Spanish Springs lost the Farmers Market to Brownwood and I can’t remember the last time the Hooligans played in SS, yet they still occasionally have a Brownwood gig. None of these negatives are the fault of residents south of 44, but they are real nonetheless. One the flip side, the positives are real as well. We very much enjoy the bike/walking trails that don’t allow golf carts, which aren’t available north of 44. Edna’s on the green is a gem, decent food in a beautiful outside setting while enjoying live entertainment in a great attraction. Last winter I made a point to swim laps at every sports pool in the Villages and play every Championship golf course. To accomplish that objective I had great days venturing to the new areas via golf cart. Played Grey Fox, swam the Fenney sports pool, then ate at the Fenney Grill. Swam at Everglades sports pool, played Lowlands, then ate at Edna’s. Swam at the Ezell sports pool, played Southern Oaks, then ate at Sawgrass (didn’t particularly like that place). Without the new area, none of those fun and memorable days would have been possible!

If we had just discovered the Villages today and bought a home in the new area, I’m sure we would love it. However, knowing the Village’s as well as we do, if we were buying a home now, we would still buy in the northern area. For us, the abundance of both Championship and real Executive (not pitch and put and putting courses), sports pools, and easy and close golf cart accessibility to multiple town squares, dining, shopping, and entertainment (The Sharon, Savannah Center, and The Tierra Del Sol Theatre) would take precedence over the attractive features of the newer areas. I know the newer areas will eventually have most of that, but at our age I’m not willing to wait for whenever eventually is. Lastly, I am very concerned about the reports I am hearing about the amount of short term rentals in the newer areas. That could be a total game changer in a very bad way. Here is hoping all Villagers, regardless of where they own a home, are having a great day in paradise : )

we tried to buy pre-owned in the North areas, but @ the time none were available

[Marathon Man]

Thank you for getting my point...

Actually, I'm glad that you got my point.

[Marathon Man]

Not an issue for millions of buyers

There are many people living near the Turnpike, I95, I75, I4, etc. all over Florida.

Large parts of south Florida have the Turnpike on one side and I95.

Yep. But for some reason, many people want to believe that it is a problem in The Villages.

[asianthree]

Not certain what the point of this post is. If you were sold a promise that you were buying into a 55+ community then that is what you should receive. Not concerned about who uses the roads or squares. Both are public! As far as I know, no children live in the Villages.

Family Villages…Bison Valley is golf cart accessible to TV, Spring Arbor off 466, Oak Meadows behind Target. And yes children live there

There is no promise of only 55, if you were given that in writing, you must be unique. Laws allow 20% can be under 55. Any 19yo can live in TV, or for that matter buy a home in TV. Which is not a child, but still young adult, not even close to the 55 you were promised. Sometimes due diligence is worth a few minutes, before one spends money.

[Randall55]

Family Villages…Bison Valley is golf cart accessible to TV, Spring Arbor off 466, Oak Meadows behind Target. And yes children live there

There is no promise of only 55, if you were given that in writing, you must be unique. Laws allow 20% can be under 55. Any 19yo can live in TV, or for that matter buy a home in TV. Which is not a child, but still young adult, not even close to the 55 you were promised. Sometimes due diligence is worth a few minutes, before spends money. The areas you mentioned are family areas just like Middleton. They do not have access to our amenities. Again, roads and squares are public. And no! I am not unique! Completely understand the 80/20 rule. However, that rule DOES NOT include children. I stand by my post. There are no children living in the Villages.

[JMintzer]

The areas you mentioned are family areas just like Middleton. They do not have access to our amenities. Again, roads and squares are public. And no! I am not unique! Completely understand the 80/20 rule. However, that rule DOES NOT include children. I stand by my post. There are no children living in the Villages.

Nor will Middleton have access to TV amenities...

I fail to see your issue...

[Randall55]

Nor will Middleton have access to TV amenities...

I fail to see your issue...Ditto. I added that post when I failed to see another poster's issue. Why were children brought into this thread??????

[Chi-Town]

Fenney was my first foray south of 44. Enjoyed the restaurant and two golf courses. Then Edna's and the Hogeye Trail. A nice blend of a pavillion and nature. Lastly visited Sawgrass Grove. It was OK but the Market was a disappointment.
Looking forward to Eastport as it seems that it is going all out like the LSL area.
But what counts is that we are all Villagers and enjoying the lifestyle from the Historic Section to South of 44.

[tophcfa]

Nor will Middleton have access to TV amenities...

I fail to see your issue...

Will they have access to the multi modal paths that connect throughout the Villages? That would be access to an important TV amenity.

[Stu from NYC]

Will they have access to the multi modal paths that connect throughout the Villages? That would be access to an important TV amenity.

How would you stop them?

[vintageogauge]

Family Villages…Bison Valley is golf cart accessible to TV, Spring Arbor off 466, Oak Meadows behind Target. And yes children live there

There is no promise of only 55, if you were given that in writing, you must be unique. Laws allow 20% can be under 55. Any 19yo can live in TV, or for that matter buy a home in TV. Which is not a child, but still young adult, not even close to the 55 you were promised. Sometimes due diligence is worth a few minutes, before one spends money.

Those areas with golf car access to TV are all north of 44. Also I think everyone knows there is no such thing as 100% 55 and older community and you are correct, 19 year olds are adults, children are prohibited with the exception of special needs.

[Whitley]

[QUOTE=Kenswing;2247606]Exactly what is the purpose of this thread? Saturday night trolling?


Wow!!!! I read the OP’s posting and THIS is exactly what was in my head. The tirade post is simply garbage. Can’t we all just get along and support other’s views and wants and needs.

Some people are just irritating and want to stir things up. I for one will now be blocking this OP. Shame!

Once again, Northern aggression against the South. Will it ever end?

[Whitley]

Actually, I'm glad that you got my point.

What point are we talking about?

[Whitley]

The areas you mentioned are family areas just like Middleton. They do not have access to our amenities. Again, roads and squares are public. And no! I am not unique! Completely understand the 80/20 rule. However, that rule DOES NOT include children. I stand by my post. There are no children living in the Villages.

If one of the homes that make up the 20% of under 55 have a baby, are they forced to leave?

[Randall55]

[QUOTE=Tvflguy;2247646]

Once again, Northern aggression against the South. Will it ever end?Only when villagers in the south stop thinking northerners are aggressive towards them. I failed to read one line in the OP that was aggressive.

[tophcfa]

If one of the homes that make up the 20% of under 55 have a baby, are they forced to leave?

Doubtful since internal deed restrictions don’t appear to be enforced.

[Bill14564]

Those areas with golf car access to TV are all north of 44. Also I think everyone knows there is no such thing as 100% 55 and older community and you are correct, 19 year olds are adults, children are prohibited with the exception of special needs.

Again, please show me the exception for special needs. I don't see it in my deed restrictions and I don't see it in the HoPA rules. If it's a law/rule/exception, where is it?

[Bill14564]

If one of the homes that make up the 20% of under 55 have a baby, are they forced to leave?

Now *that* is an interesting question.

[JMintzer]

Ditto. I added that post when I failed to see another poster's issue. Why were children brought into this thread??????

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[JMintzer]

Will they have access to the multi modal paths that connect throughout the Villages? That would be access to an important TV amenity.

Yes. And that access goes both ways...

[Bill14564]

Yes. And that access goes both ways...

Have you seen that stated somewhere?

I believe it is likely that it will be both ways but they *could* put in a gate with a card reader (and no red button) like the Paradise gate up north.

[vintageogauge]

If one of the homes that make up the 20% of under 55 have a baby, are they forced to leave?

Yes it has happened. Another example a couple lost their daughter and took in their grandchild. They too were forced to leave.

[vintageogauge]

Again, please show me the exception for special needs. I don't see it in my deed restrictions and I don't see it in the HoPA rules. If it's a law/rule/exception, where is it?

It's a federal law no need to be in your documents. I know of several families in that situation.