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[JMintzer]

You think TV is one of the highest percentage of gun owners in the USA? You need to get out of your cocoon. If you own a gun, take it to Texas or any rural area in the USA and see how you will fare.

No idea what this post means...

[margaretmattson]

No idea what this post means... A poster stated he believes the Villages is one of the highest populations of gun owners in the USA.

I suggested drawing his gun in Texas or any rural area in the USA. I do not believe he will enjoy how many guns are quickly drawn back. You don't understand this? Try it yourself!

[JMintzer]

A poster stated he believes the Villages has one of the highest populations of gun owners in the USA.

I suggested drawing his gun in Texas or any rural area in the USA. I do not believe he will enjoy how many guns are quickly drawn back. You don't understand this? Try it yourself!

Who suggested anyone "draw their gun"?

Oh, right... That was you... Apparently...

[margaretmattson]

Who suggested anyone "draw their gun"?

Oh, right... That was you... Apparently...I was making a point that Texas and Rural areas in the USA are home to the most gun owners. By far!

[Bill14564]

I was making a point that Texas and Rural areas in the USA are home to the most gun owners. By far!

According to what set of statistics?

One statistic I've seen has per capita ownership numbers of 23 owners/1000 citizens in Florida and 28 owners/1000 citizens in Texas. Not "By far!" by any means.

With 35% more population, this puts the total number of gun owners in Texas at twice the number in Florida. Okay, that's a more significant statistic.

With 429 people/sq mi in Florida but only 112 people/sqmi in Texas, this puts the number of gun owners at about 10 owners/sq mi in Florida compared with 3 owners/sq mi in Texas. Florida wins that round.

But you didn't compare Florida with Texas, you compared the Villages with Texas. Okay, with 2,217 people/ sq mi in the Villages, that makes about 51 owners/sq mi in the Villages compared with 3 owners/sq mi in Texas. 51:3... the Villages seem to be home to the most gun owners, by a factor of 17!

[Velvet]

I was making a point that Texas and Rural areas in the USA are home to the most gun owners. By far!

The Villages has a lot of retired LEOs from what I hear - probably the least likely people to draw in an unwarranted situation.

[Velvet]

Yes, he'd be a fool not to.

The Morse's aren't fools.

If the Developer(s) supported all kinds of STRs that would be a 180 degree turn from the original vision of TV as a social friendly community of retired neighbors.

[golfing eagles]

A poster stated he believes the Villages is one of the highest populations of gun owners in the USA.

I suggested drawing his gun in Texas or any rural area in the USA. I do not believe he will enjoy how many guns are quickly drawn back. You don't understand this? Try it yourself!

Who suggested anyone "draw their gun"?

Oh, right... That was you... Apparently...

I was making a point that Texas and Rural areas in the USA are home to the most gun owners. By far!

The Villages has a lot of retired LEOs from what I hear - probably the least likely people to draw in an unwarranted situation.

So, how did we get from STRs to drawing guns??????

[margaretmattson]

The Villages has a lot of retired LEOs from what I hear - probably the least likely people to draw in an unwarranted situation. I wasn't encouraging anyone to draw a gun. I was trying to give a visual of how many registered and unregistered guns there are.in Texas and Rural America. My visual obviously failed.

[margaretmattson]

So, how did we get from STRs to drawing guns?????? I should have never responded to a poster who stated on this thread that he believes the Villages has one of the highest number of gun owners in the USA. My apologies.

[margaretmattson]

If the Developer(s) supported all kinds of STRs that would be a 180 degree turn from the original vision of TV as a social friendly community of retired neighbors.Not to mention the 80/20 rule.

[oldtimes]

So, how did we get from STRs to drawing guns??????

Obviously a rhetorical question

[Randall55]

I knew if I kept trying to explain it logically, someone would finally read and understand the genesis of the Clearwater, Orlando & NYC situations and why they're not relevant to TV. NYC is relevant. Any new laws on STRS can be used as models for our state. Our version will vary, but it may contain similarities of others.

[BrianL99]

If the Developer(s) supported all kinds of STRs that would be a 180 degree turn from the original vision of TV as a social friendly community of retired neighbors.

The "Original Vision" of The Villages, was a golf-centric retirement community.

That generation left the station a long time ago.

The Developer is now in the Commercial Real Estate Leasing business, as well as building new homes.

I can surely see a scenario where STR's are prohibited in newly developed areas of the Southern Villages, but there's no motivation whatsoever, for the Developer to be concerned with the folks who already bought homes. Those folks have already been sucked into the program.

You can bet the farm, that in the next year or 2, you'll read about new Deed Restrictions in a new Villages neighborhood, that limit STR's.

[Bill14564]

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You can bet the farm, that in the next year or 2, you'll read about new Deed Restrictions in a new Villages neighborhood, that limit STR's.

There already are a few that seem to prohibit rentals. EDIT: I just noticed that the deed restriction I had found that prohibited rentals was modified to remove that prohibition. It looks like the Developer took the time and effort to *allow* rentals in that particular area.

It would be interesting to know how many deed restrictions are written this way but there is no easy way to find that out.

[BrianL99]

NYC is relevant.

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You're right. The similarities between The Villages and NYC are remarkable.

[BrianL99]

There already are a few that seem to prohibit rentals. EDIT: I just noticed that the deed restriction I had found that prohibited rentals was modified to remove that prohibition. It looks like the Developer took the time and effort to *allow* rentals in that particular area.

It would be interesting to know how many deed restrictions are written this way but there is no easy way to find that out.

I know common sense is a rarity on TOTV, but common sense dictates that the Developer will prohibit STR's in the new, more exclusive areas.

Most every HOA in Florida's wealthier communities, prohibit rentals of less than a month. I've had a home in Trinity, FL for 15 years. The HOA prohibits all rentals (of any duration), without approval of the BoD.

Less be realistic, "renters" in general, are "less desirable". The wealthier the neighborhood, the more likely folks are to want to draw a distinction between who they are (the OWNERS) vs the plebes (renters).

[Bill14564]

I know common sense is a rarity on TOTV, but common sense dictates that the Developer will prohibit STR's in the new, more exclusive areas.

Most every HOA in Florida's wealthier communities, prohibit rentals of less than a month. I've had a home in Trinity, FL for 15 years. The HOA prohibits all rentals (of any duration), without approval of the BoD.

Less be realistic, "renters" in general, are "less desirable". The wealthier the neighborhood, the more likely folks are to want to draw a distinction between who they are (the OWNERS) vs the plebes (renters).

Probably right but you never know. Those that pay more for their homes might be more interested in retaining the rights to use those homes as they wish. I can see arguments on both sides.

What I was most surprised about was that a very clear prohibition on rentals was removed. If anyone was wondering which way the Developer might lean, this should make it clear.

[JMintzer]

I was making a point that Texas and Rural areas in the USA are home to the most gun owners. By far!

Texas didn't even make the top 10...

"The states with the highest gun ownership rates are Montana, Wyoming, West Virginia, Idaho, Alaska, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Mississippi, North Dakota, and Alabama. The state with the highest gun ownership rate is Montana, with a household firearm ownership rate of 65.7%..."

[JMintzer]

So, how did we get from STRs to drawing guns??????

Are you new here? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

I wasn't encouraging anyone to draw a gun. I was trying to give a visual of how many registered and unregistered guns there are.in Texas and Rural America. My visual obviously failed.

There are ZERO registered guns in Texas...

[tophcfa]

I’ve seen a lot of threads go astray over the years on TOTV, but this train wreck wins the all time prize.

[BrianL99]

Probably right but you never know. Those that pay more for their homes might be more interested in retaining the rights to use those homes as they wish. I can see arguments on both sides.

What I was most surprised about was that a very clear prohibition on rentals was removed. If anyone was wondering which way the Developer might lean, this should make it clear.

There are a lot of smart real estate developers in the world. Not many of them are as astute as Gary Morse. He took 1000's of acres in the middle of no where and created The Villages out of whole clothe. He took a trailer park and re-named it the Historic District and the name has last 20+ years.

"Full occupancy" is a huge advantage to the Developer. Every one who lives in TV, knows what "in season" is like. The squares, the restaurants, the golf courses, are all inundated with people. For the owner of all those properties, the more the merrier.

The South is a different animal. They don't really have Town Squares. They're much more like traditional FL subdivisions. Different market, different clientele, different business model.

I think the Developer will continue to "allow STR's" in the Deed Restrictions down South, for his bread & butter homes. It suits his purpose and helps drive property values.

I think the higher-line, upscale neighborhoods he has planned, will be a different animal. I suspect those and only those, will have short-term rental restrictions. IMO, the upscale homes don't have the same rental potential. They really don't have all that much to offer a renter. There's no ocean, no town square, no golf, not much shopping. Everything in the newer areas, is still on the "promise plan".

Any renter with the money to spend for a very upscale home, is going to want the Full Monty ... which means an upscale house, near the real center of The Villages.

Living somewhere and renting somewhere for a short vacation, are miles apart in motivation and needs.

[margaretmattson]

You're right. The similarities between The Villages and NYC are remarkable.As if you would know what is relevant or not. You kept posting over and over on this thread about Clearwater. You kept stating facts matter. Fact! You missed the boat completely. Clearwater has no relevance .

[margaretmattson]

The "Original Vision" of The Villages, was a golf-centric retirement community.

That generation left the station a long time ago.

The Developer is now in the Commercial Real Estate Leasing business, as well as building new homes.

I can surely see a scenario where STR's are prohibited in newly developed areas of the Southern Villages, but there's no motivation whatsoever, for the Developer to be concerned with the folks who already bought homes. Those folks have already been sucked into the program.

You can bet the farm, that in the next year or 2, you'll read about new Deed Restrictions in a new Villages neighborhood, that limit STR's. First you state the Developer would never stop STRS and residents will have to find 3 million dollars to fight him in court. Now you say you can see a scenario where he will prohibit STRS. You are all over the board.

[margaretmattson]

I know common sense is a rarity on TOTV, but common sense dictates that the Developer will prohibit STR's in the new, more exclusive areas.

Most every HOA in Florida's wealthier communities, prohibit rentals of less than a month. I've had a home in Trinity, FL for 15 years. The HOA prohibits all rentals (of any duration), without approval of the BoD.

Less be realistic, "renters" in general, are "less desirable". The wealthier the neighborhood, the more likely folks are to want to draw a distinction between who they are (the OWNERS) vs the plebes (renters).

You are now an authority on common sense and it is rare for others to be like you? Common sense dictates you pick a lane. You do not post the Developer WILL NEVER prohibit strs and we will need to fight him in court backed by a fund of $3 million dollars. Then, a few pages later, post it is obvious the developer WILL prohibit strs.

Common sense also dictates one does not call out others for lacking common sense when one does not use it himself.

[margaretmattson]

Has anyone seen realtors describing a preowned home as an STR ready-to-go? Fully furnished and equipped with everything you need to start renting? Is this a new way to sell homes?

[ChrisTee]

Has anyone seen realtors describing a preowned home as an STR ready-to-go? Fully furnished and equipped with everything you need to start renting? Is this a new way to sell homes?

Yes. Absolutely - STR potential is used as a selling point in some listings.

[margaretmattson]

Yes. Absolutely - STR potential is used as a selling point in some listings. Wow! Encouraging more people to get into the STR business. I've seen MLS listings stating good investment property but stating an STR ready-to-go home? That is not something I have seen until yesterday.

[ChrisTee]

Two separate couples I know have chosen not to buy homes in TV because of the STR problems in TV. They do not want to live in a TRANSIENT community w/ nightly or weekly resident turnover - that is absolutely what many villages have become - home to transients who spend a few nights there and move on while another transient moves in. Without legal protection, any homeowners in TV are at risk of having a transient rental home next door. We will move to a community that provides legal protection /recourse from STR transient occupation of homes if this continues in TV. As much as we enjoy TV we will leave TV if TV doesn't get on board with legal protections for owners and not allowing STR - transient occupation of homes in TV) No way I'll live in my beautiful retirement home surrounded by transient, ST renters.

[Randall55]

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[Randall55]

There already are a few that seem to prohibit rentals. EDIT: I just noticed that the deed restriction I had found that prohibited rentals was modified to remove that prohibition. It looks like the Developer took the time and effort to *allow* rentals in that particular area.

It would be interesting to know how many deed restrictions are written this way but there is no easy way to find that out. What area did the Developer take the time to change the deed restriction? Interesting.

[Bill14564]

What area did the Developer take the time to change the deed restriction? Interesting.

District 12, unit 20

[Normal]

Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals. The state law restricting local authority over vacation rentals was originally passed in 2011, and local short-term rental laws passed before June 1, 2011, are still valid.

Furthermore, The Villages residential neighborhoods CAN restrict AirBnBs if they are paying amenities such as an HOA. The amenity fees is key to classification as an HOA. In other words, if you pay to live there you can do something about it, but only through a vote. In such case, the District would need to vote on the issue and formalize it through minute etc and give residents a 30 day notice. Anyone wishing to appeal can do so.

[Bill14564]

Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency,but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals. [B/]The state law restricting local authority over vacation rentals was originally passed in 2011, and local short-term rental laws passed before June 1, 2011, are still valid.

Furthermore, The Villages residential neighborhoods can restrict AirBnBs if they are paying amenities such as an HOA. [B]The amenity fees is key to classification as an HOA. In such case, the District would need to vote on the issue and formalize it through minute etc and give residents a 30 day notice.

NO. Being part of an HOA is key to classification as an HOA. There is no HOA agreement for the homes in the Villages.

The Villages operates as multiple Section 190 Community Development Districts. An HOA is a section 720 entity. Completely different things.

[Randall55]

Two separate couples I know have chosen not to buy homes in TV because of the STR problems in TV. They do not want to live in a TRANSIENT community w/ nightly or weekly resident turnover - that is absolutely what many villages have become - home to transients who spend a few nights there and move on while another transient moves in. Without legal protection, any homeowners in TV are at risk of having a transient rental home next door. We will move to a community that provides legal protection /recourse from STR transient occupation of homes if this continues in TV. As much as we enjoy TV we will leave TV if TV doesn't get on board with legal protections for owners and not allowing STR - transient occupation of homes in TV) No way I'll live in my beautiful retirement home surrounded by transient, ST renters. A few have sold their homes and have left in my area because of rentals. All bought villas and found approx 25% of them were used for rental income. The owners were Villagers and asked them to keep an eye on their properties and would call and ask for favors. That did not go over well! Why would a homeowner want to keep an eye on rental homes? Why should they be responsible for the clean up? And why would a Village landlord expect them to do so? Some just packed up and moved North.

[Randall55]

District 12, unit 20I am not familiar with the Fenney/MarshBend area. Is there a reason the Developer would prohibit rentals and then change the deed restriction to allow?

[Normal]

NO. Being part of an HOA is key to classification as an HOA. There is no HOA agreement for the homes in the Villages.

The Villages operates as multiple Section 190 Community Development Districts. An HOA is a section 720 entity. Completely different things.

We shall see during litigating I’m sure.

Meanwhile, back at your ranch and mine. Also CCDs CAN regulate amenities (I.e ban non residents or set rules for amenities), CAN regulate residential requirements (ie. resident must be in home if guests are present) and CAN regulate hours for visitors.

There is no doubt on these points! They are CDDs.

[Bill14564]

I am not familiar with the Fenney/MarshBend area. Is there a reason the Developer would prohibit rentals and then change the deed restriction to allow?

I have no insight into the reasoning of the Developer.

[golfing eagles]

I have no insight into the reasoning of the Developer.

Exactly! And neither does anyone else posting on this thread.

A lot of people have posted something to the effect that "the greedy developer will never do anything to curtail STRs because it will hurt sales". I have to disagree with that reasoning, because:

There are about 70,000 homes in TV and growing, how many are rented out and how many were bought as investment property for the sole purpose of renting them out? And of them, how many are STRs? The only number I saw thrown out here is about 800 listings for rentals in TV, which would be about 1%. So, let's be generous and call it 3-4%. Do we really think that savvy businesspeople like the Morse family will cater their business to 3-4% while disgruntling the vast majority? Do they want their core business of a 55+ "friendly" retirement community to become a flop house haven? I don't think so. Besides, they have absolutely no problem selling everything they build without selling to slumlords. And why would they spend a ton of money on the new schools if they want STRs? My suspicion is that either STRs are a problem that is evolving and the developer hasn't addressed yet, or they have already had their lawyers look at it and are not ready to get involved yet.

[Randall55]

Exactly! And neither does anyone else posting on this thread.

A lot of people have posted something to the effect that "the greedy developer will never do anything to curtail STRs because it will hurt sales". I have to disagree with that reasoning, because:

There are about 70,000 homes in TV and growing, how many are rented out and how many were bought as investment property for the sole purpose of renting them out? And of them, how many are STRs? The only number I saw thrown out here is about 800 listings for rentals in TV, which would be about 1%. So, let's be generous and call it 3-4%. Do we really think that savvy businesspeople like the Morse family will cater their business to 3-4% while disgruntling the vast majority? Do they want their core business of a 55+ "friendly" retirement community to become a flop house haven? I don't think so. Besides, they have absolutely no problem selling everything they build without selling to slumlords. And why would they spend a ton of money on the new schools if they want STRs? My suspicion is that either STRs are a problem that is evolving and the developer hasn't addressed yet, or they have already had their lawyers look at it and are not ready to get involved yet. In fairness, his response was to a post in which the Developer changed the deed restrictions. In the Fenney area, the deed restrictions stated no rentals allowed. They were then crossed out, and rentals are permitted.

[golfing eagles]

In fairness, his response was to a post in which the Developer changed the deed restrictions. In the Fenney area, the deed restrictions stated no rentals allowed. They were then crossed out, and rentals are permitted.

And yet my response was in general to the whole thread. No idea what happened in Fenney. Certainly I do see a problem with 2 "neighbors"---one a snowbird who rents out for a minimum of 1 month when they are not here, and the other who bought an investment to uses as a STR-----the "no rental" restriction would have to be a lot more specific

[Randall55]

And yet my response was in general to the whole thread. No idea what happened in Fenney. Certainly I do see a problem with 2 "neighbors"---one a snowbird who rents out for a minimum of 1 month when they are not here, and the other who bought an investment to uses as a STR-----the "no rental" restriction would have to be a lot more specific But, the Developer made a decision to change a deed restriction in Fenney that prohibited rental properties. He now allows them. Either he changed the deed restriction to have consistent rules throughout the Villages or he wants and believes in rentals.

[BrianL99]

We shall see during litigating I’m sure.

Meanwhile, back at your ranch and mine. Also CCDs CAN regulate amenities (I.e ban non residents or set rules for amenities), CAN regulate residential requirements (ie. resident must be in home if guests are present) and CAN regulate hours for visitors.

There is no doubt on these points! They are CDDs.

What is a CCD?

If you're talking CDD's, you're 1/2 right. They can manage amenities and make rules regarding their use. There's a cloud of doubt hanging over your other assertions, that would rival the cloud from the Canadian forest fires.

They have no zoning power and it would be a gigantic leap for them to try to exercise any control over individual homes, other than as they relate to the infrastructure.

Folks keep confusing TV CDD's with local governments. CDD's only function as a local government, with respect to infrastructure. Lady Lake, Oxford and the towns that make up TV, still maintain jurisdiction over the homes/land within their town borders.

Community Development Districts – What you should know! | CFM Community Development District (https://www.cfmcdd.org/questions/)

Community Development Districts in Florida - Cobb & Gonzalez, P.A. (https://www.cobbgonzalez.com/community-development-districts-in-florida/)

[Randall55]

What is a CCD?

If you're talking CDD's, you're 1/2 right. They can manage amenities and make rules regarding their use. There's a cloud of doubt hanging over your other assertions, that would rival the cloud from the Canadian forest fires.

They have no zoning power and it would be a gigantic leap for them to try to exercise some control over individual homes, other than as they relate to the infrastructure.

Folks keep confusing TV CDD's with local governments. CDD's only function as a local government, with respect to infrastructure. Lady Lake, Oxford and the towns that make up TV, still maintain jurisdiction over the homes/land within their town borders.

Community Development Districts – What you should know! | CFM Community Development District (https://www.cfmcdd.org/questions/)

Community Development Districts in Florida - Cobb & Gonzalez, P.A. (https://www.cobbgonzalez.com/community-development-districts-in-florida/) Interesting to know but has nothing to do with the post you responded to.

The post said: CDD can regulate amenities, make certain homeowners are present when there are guests, and set hours for guests. What in his statement has to do with local government and zoning?

[BrianL99]

Interesting to know but has nothing to do with the post you responded to.

The post said: CDD can regulate amenities, make certain homeowners are present when there are guests, and set hours for guests. What in his statement has to do with local government and zoning?

The post said:



... CAN regulate residential requirements (ie. resident must be in home if guests are present) and CAN regulate hours for visitors.


There is no doubt on these points! They are CDDs.

I don't have a Master's Degree in Political Science like some folks on here, but I do understand Zoning and Land Use fairly well. I also know that CDD"s have no zoning powers.

Perhaps if you read Post #116 & Post #118 and then acquaint yourself with Euclid v Ambler Realty Co., you'll see the nexus.

[Randall55]

The post said:



I don't have a Master's Degree in Political Science like some folks on here, but I do understand Zoning and Land Use fairly well. I also know that CDD"s have no zoning powers.

Perhaps if you read Post #116 & Post #118 and then acquaint yourself with Euclid v Ambler Realty Co., you'll see the nexus. Not interested in reading Euclid v Amber Realty Co. Why? it has no relevance to this thread nor do your posts #116 and #118.

f you understand zoning and land use fairly well then answer the question. What does controlling use of amenities, requiring a homeowner to be present when there are guests, and setting hours for guests have to do with zoning and land use?

Let me help you out. Nothing! But, I get it! You just want to confuse the readers on this thread. Yet, AGAIN. Perhaps, you are an STR owner? Why not go back to the gun owner facts you input into this thread? At least that irrelevant information was a little more interesting.

[Bill14564]

Not interested in reading Euclid v Amber Realty Co. Why? it has no relevance to this thread nor do your posts #116 and #118.

f you understand zoning and land use fairly well then answer the question. What does controlling use of amenities, requiring a homeowner to be present when there are guests, and setting hours for guests have to do with zoning and land use?

Let me help you out. Nothing! But, I get it! You just want to confuse the readers on this thread. Yet, AGAIN. Perhaps, you are an STR owner? Why not go back to the gun owner facts you input into this thread? At least that irrelevant information was a little more interesting.

What does it mean to set hours for guests? Are you asserting that the CDD has the authority to literally roll up the streets and force non-residents out of the area?

The requirement that a homeowner be present was based on the zoning of where the home was located.

CDDs can control amenities though in our case that would be VCCDD and SLCDD rather than our numbered CDDs. CDDs do not have control over zoning or how you use your home.

The Developer *might* have some control with their ability to amend the deed restrictions. Still, there must be some limitation to what those amendments can be.

[margaretmattson]

A few have sold their homes and have left in my area because of rentals. All bought villas and found approx 25% of them were used for rental income. The owners were Villagers and asked them to keep an eye on their properties and would call and ask for favors. That did not go over well! Why would a homeowner want to keep an eye on rental homes? Why should they be responsible for the clean up? And why would a Village landlord expect them to do so? Some just packed up and moved North. In the past three years, my CYV neighborhood went from zero rentals on my street to 10. I am constantly bombarded by investors who want to purchase my villa. I live walking distance to a square and they see potential for high rent. When Eastport is built, I think investors are going to try and snatch up as many villas as they can.

[margaretmattson]

But, the Developer made a decision to change a deed restriction in Fenney that prohibited rental properties. He now allows them. Either he changed the deed restriction to have consistent rules throughout the Villages or he wants and believes in rentals. Interesting

[margaretmattson]

Exactly! And neither does anyone else posting on this thread.

A lot of people have posted something to the effect that "the greedy developer will never do anything to curtail STRs because it will hurt sales". I have to disagree with that reasoning, because:

There are about 70,000 homes in TV and growing, how many are rented out and how many were bought as investment property for the sole purpose of renting them out? And of them, how many are STRs? The only number I saw thrown out here is about 800 listings for rentals in TV, which would be about 1%. So, let's be generous and call it 3-4%. Do we really think that savvy businesspeople like the Morse family will cater their business to 3-4% while disgruntling the vast majority? Do they want their core business of a 55+ "friendly" retirement community to become a flop house haven? I don't think so. Besides, they have absolutely no problem selling everything they build without selling to slumlords. And why would they spend a ton of money on the new schools if they want STRs? My suspicion is that either STRs are a problem that is evolving and the developer hasn't addressed yet, or they have already had their lawyers look at it and are not ready to get involved yet. Cater to the 3-4 percent? Probably not. But, it is confusing why the Developer changed the deed restrictions in Fenney. At first, the deed restrictions prohibited rentals and now they are permitted.

[Bill14564]

A few have sold their homes and have left in my area because of rentals. All bought villas and found approx 25% of them were used for rental income. The owners were Villagers and asked them to keep an eye on their properties and would call and ask for favors. That did not go over well! Why would a homeowner want to keep an eye on rental homes? Why should they be responsible for the clean up? And why would a Village landlord expect them to do so? Some just packed up and moved North.

Asking the more permanent residents to let them know if the renters are causing problems for the neighbors seems like a responsible thing to do.

Asking for favors goes too far - there are management companies and handymen for things like that.

Asking neighbors to clean up? That sounds like grounds for the neighbor to file a complaint with Community Standards. Not on the grounds that the they were asked but on the grounds that the property was not being taken care of by the owner.

[Cybersprings]

Exactly! And neither does anyone else posting on this thread.

A lot of people have posted something to the effect that "the greedy developer will never do anything to curtail STRs because it will hurt sales". I have to disagree with that reasoning, because:

There are about 70,000 homes in TV and growing, how many are rented out and how many were bought as investment property for the sole purpose of renting them out? And of them, how many are STRs? The only number I saw thrown out here is about 800 listings for rentals in TV, which would be about 1%. So, let's be generous and call it 3-4%. Do we really think that savvy businesspeople like the Morse family will cater their business to 3-4% while disgruntling the vast majority? Do they want their core business of a 55+ "friendly" retirement community to become a flop house haven? I don't think so. Besides, they have absolutely no problem selling everything they build without selling to slumlords. And why would they spend a ton of money on the new schools if they want STRs? My suspicion is that either STRs are a problem that is evolving and the developer hasn't addressed yet, or they have already had their lawyers look at it and are not ready to get involved yet.

So the data shows 1%. We multiply that by 3 or 4 "to be generous," yet the claim (not necessarily by you) is that the villages is becoming overrun with STR's to the point that our lifestyle is being completely ruined. No wonder I posted that I have never personally experienced the issues with STRs. By those percentages, not many have.

[margaretmattson]

So the data shows 1%. We multiply that by 3 or 4 "to be generous," yet the claim (not necessarily by you) is that the villages is becoming overrun with STR's to the point that our lifestyle is being completely ruined. No wonder I posted that I have never personally experienced the issues with STRs. By those percentages, not many have. It seems investors are interested in patio villas and CYV. These types of homes are usually cheaper than others. Lower bonds and less property taxes. I can speak from experience that they definitely have a high interest in villas near town squares. My neighborhood is becoming the Comfort Inn. I will have to move to escape it.

[oldtimes]

So the data shows 1%. We multiply that by 3 or 4 "to be generous," yet the claim (not necessarily by you) is that the villages is becoming overrun with STR's to the point that our lifestyle is being completely ruined. No wonder I posted that I have never personally experienced the issues with STRs. By those percentages, not many have.

A google search for airbnb The Villages bring up over 1000, v r b o The Villages brings up 1179. That is only 2 sites, there are several more. More and more people are being affected but as long as it is not you it is fine.

This is from an article by Dave Ramsey:

"Maintaining an Airbnb is essentially like operating a small business, Ramsey says. Much like running a hotel, Airbnbs demand intense involvement: you’re responsible for keeping the place clean, making repairs and being available to renters for emergencies or questions.

On top of that, you’re generally dealing with new tenants every few days. And short-term tenants can be more careless with property than long-term renters.

"They'll destroy your property," Ramsey says. And while you’re stuck doing the clean up, you may have to contend with angry neighbors complaining about noise.

Finally, there’s a growing backlash in certain cities against short-term rental properties — especially in downtown cores or high-tourism areas. Some cities are starting to restrict the type of eligible dwellings, require costly licenses, impose additional taxes and only allow you to rent out your primary residence.

Even if your area doesn’t currently have restrictions on rentals, the laws could change — leaving you on the hook for a home you suddenly can’t rent out."

[BrianL99]

Not interested in reading Euclid v Amber Realty Co. Why? it has no relevance to this thread nor do your posts #116 and #118.


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To intelligently discuss and understand land use and zoning, e.g., the regulation of STR's, you need to understand the "Bundle of Rights" theory and the U.S. Supreme Court Decision in Euclid vs Ambler Realty Co.

Pontificating on zoning & land use issues, without having some knowledge and understanding of those fundamentals, is like doing brain surgery, after watching YouTube videos. The results are likely to be less than optimal.

[margaretmattson]

Asking the more permanent residents to let them know if the renters are causing problems for the neighbors seems like a responsible thing to do.

Asking for favors goes too far - there are management companies and handymen for things like that.

Asking neighbors to clean up? That sounds like grounds for the neighbor to file a complaint with Community Standards. Not on the grounds that the they were asked but on the grounds that the property was not being taken care of by the owner.Asking a permanent homeowner to keep tabs on the rental properties in their neighborhood is not the right thing to do. That is the responsibility of the investor. He/she should drive past the home to see if everything is fine. At least, 3 times a day! I don't help the investors in my neighborhood. If something happens it is their responsibility not mine.

[margaretmattson]

To intelligently discuss and understand land use and zoning, e.g., the regulation of STR's, you need to understand the "Bundle of Rights" theory and the U.S. Supreme Court Decision in Euclid vs Ambler Realty Co.

Pontificating on zoning & land use issues, without having some knowledge and understanding of those fundamentals, is like doing brain surgery, after watching YouTube videos. The results are likely to be less than optimal. And reading your many posts that are irrelevant to this thread is like putting a metal stake in my eye and hoping it doesn't bleed.

[Bill14564]

Asking a permanent homeowner to keep tabs on the rental properties in their neighborhood is not the right thing to do. That is the responsibility of the investor. He/she should drive past the home to see if everything is fine. At least, 3 times a day! I don't help the investors in my neighborhood. If something happens it is their responsibility not mine.

Please try to understand the words that I used.

Asking the neighbors to let you know if you are doing something that bothers them is neighborly and responsible.

Asking the neighbors to keep tabs on the rental properties is a bridge too far - there are management companies for that.

Driving by the property at least three times each day is ridiculous and could be considered stalking by some.

[BrianL99]

So the data shows 1%. We multiply that by 3 or 4 "to be generous," yet the claim (not necessarily by you) is that the villages is becoming overrun with STR's to the point that our lifestyle is being completely ruined. No wonder I posted that I have never personally experienced the issues with STRs. By those percentages, not many have.


So 3% or 4% of the homes in TV, might be used as an STR ?

Let's say 70% are run by slumlords who don't care about their neighbors.

So now we have 2-3 out of every 100 homes are arguably, a lousy neighbor?

Once again, The Villages turn out to be America's Friendliest Hometown. 97% of your neighbors are going to be great folks! I like the odds.

[BrianL99]

And reading your many posts that are irrelevant to this thread is like putting a metal stake in my eye and hoping it doesn't bleed.

I'd hate to see anyone go blind, from reading my nonsense.

Perhaps a more logical solution would be to simply block my posts?

That's probably a better solution, as you'd be able to maintain your eyesight and avoid those pesky warnings and suspensions from TOTV..

[golfing eagles]

A google search for airbnb The Villages bring up over 1000, v r b o The Villages brings up 1179. That is only 2 sites, there are several more. More and more people are being affected but as long as it is not you it is fine.

This is from an article by Dave Ramsey:

"Maintaining an Airbnb is essentially like operating a small business, Ramsey says. Much like running a hotel, Airbnbs demand intense involvement: you’re responsible for keeping the place clean, making repairs and being available to renters for emergencies or questions.

On top of that, you’re generally dealing with new tenants every few days. And short-term tenants can be more careless with property than long-term renters.

"They'll destroy your property," Ramsey says. And while you’re stuck doing the clean up, you may have to contend with angry neighbors complaining about noise.

Finally, there’s a growing backlash in certain cities against short-term rental properties — especially in downtown cores or high-tourism areas. Some cities are starting to restrict the type of eligible dwellings, require costly licenses, impose additional taxes and only allow you to rent out your primary residence.

Even if your area doesn’t currently have restrictions on rentals, the laws could change — leaving you on the hook for a home you suddenly can’t rent out."

One can only hope......

[Cybersprings]

A google search for airbnb The Villages bring up over 1000, v r b o The Villages brings up 1179. That is only 2 sites, there are several more. More and more people are being affected but as long as it is not you it is fine.

This is from an article by Dave Ramsey:

"Maintaining an Airbnb is essentially like operating a small business, Ramsey says. Much like running a hotel, Airbnbs demand intense involvement: you’re responsible for keeping the place clean, making repairs and being available to renters for emergencies or questions.

On top of that, you’re generally dealing with new tenants every few days. And short-term tenants can be more careless with property than long-term renters.

"They'll destroy your property," Ramsey says. And while you’re stuck doing the clean up, you may have to contend with angry neighbors complaining about noise.

Finally, there’s a growing backlash in certain cities against short-term rental properties — especially in downtown cores or high-tourism areas. Some cities are starting to restrict the type of eligible dwellings, require costly licenses, impose additional taxes and only allow you to rent out your primary residence.

Even if your area doesn’t currently have restrictions on rentals, the laws could change — leaving you on the hook for a home you suddenly can’t rent out."

1. I never said that as long as I am not affected it is fine. In fact, in a previous post in this thread, I stated that I do not want to minimize the negative impact of those who have experienced it. If you read my post with the intent to comprehend, it is very clear that I was commenting on the actual pervasiveness of the problem vs what is claimed by many posts, not the seriousness of the problem for those who do experience it.

[oldtimes]

So 3% or 4% of the homes in TV, might be used as an STR ?

Let's say 70% are run by slumlords who don't care about their neighbors.

So now we have 2-3 out of every 100 homes are arguably, a lousy neighbor?

Once again, The Villages turn out to be America's Friendliest Hometown. 97% of your neighbors are going to be great folks! I like the odds.

So you are assuming that only one person will be affected by one of these undesirable properties in a neighbor hood when in actuality the entire neighbor will be affected especially in the villa neighborhoods.

[oldtimes]

One can only hope......

My thoughts exactly.

[margaretmattson]

I'd hate to see anyone go blind, from reading my nonsense.

Perhaps a more logical solution would be to simply block my posts?

That's probably a better solution, as you'd be able to maintain your eyesight and avoid those pesky warnings and suspensions from TOTV.. You post most villagers do not have common sense. You post villagers are the most intolerant people you know. You request two posters to get off of their computers and get out and about insinuating they need help because of their internet use. You post, now I know the name of the king in the emperors new clothes. You post a giant picture of a man laughing at another poster's response,. You insult a poster who wants to sell his home FSBO. And, I can go on.

Yet, when someone throws a jab at you; you need to report them!

[margaretmattson]

A google search for airbnb The Villages bring up over 1000, v r b o The Villages brings up 1179. That is only 2 sites, there are several more. More and more people are being affected but as long as it is not you it is fine.

This is from an article by Dave Ramsey:

"Maintaining an Airbnb is essentially like operating a small business, Ramsey says. Much like running a hotel, Airbnbs demand intense involvement: you’re responsible for keeping the place clean, making repairs and being available to renters for emergencies or questions.

On top of that, you’re generally dealing with new tenants every few days. And short-term tenants can be more careless with property than long-term renters.

"They'll destroy your property," Ramsey says. And while you’re stuck doing the clean up, you may have to contend with angry neighbors complaining about noise.

Finally, there’s a growing backlash in certain cities against short-term rental properties — especially in downtown cores or high-tourism areas. Some cities are starting to restrict the type of eligible dwellings, require costly licenses, impose additional taxes and only allow you to rent out your primary residence.

Even if your area doesn’t currently have restrictions on rentals, the laws could change — leaving you on the hook for a home you suddenly can’t rent out."This is the slippery slope we are on. STRs ruining the quaint and quiet lifestyle homeowners expect. If rules are enacted, investors must sell their rental properties and now there is a flood of homes on the market.

[margaretmattson]

Please try to understand the words that I used.

Asking the neighbors to let you know if you are doing something that bothers them is neighborly and responsible.

Asking the neighbors to keep tabs on the rental properties is a bridge too far - there are management companies for that.

Driving by the property at least three times each day is ridiculous and could be considered stalking by some. Asking a neighbor to let you know if a renter is doing something to bother them is not neighborly. An investor should make certain it never happens before it gets to that point.

[Randall55]

So the data shows 1%. We multiply that by 3 or 4 "to be generous," yet the claim (not necessarily by you) is that the villages is becoming overrun with STR's to the point that our lifestyle is being completely ruined. No wonder I posted that I have never personally experienced the issues with STRs. By those percentages, not many have.But those who have are experiencing problems. If strs
are allowed to continue, it won't be long that some are in your neighborhood. Where there is smoke; there will be fire.

[Randall55]

We shall see during litigating I’m sure.

Meanwhile, back at your ranch and mine. Also CCDs CAN regulate amenities (I.e ban non residents or set rules for amenities), CAN regulate residential requirements (ie. resident must be in home if guests are present) and CAN regulate hours for visitors.

There is no doubt on these points! They are CDDs. Hopefully, we will see some action on these points soon.

[Randall55]

Please try to understand the words that I used.

Asking the neighbors to let you know if you are doing something that bothers them is neighborly and responsible.

Asking the neighbors to keep tabs on the rental properties is a bridge too far - there are management companies for that.

Driving by the property at least three times each day is ridiculous and could be considered stalking by some. How can one be accused of stalking a property they own for investment purposes? I see it as a responsibility to monitor. Asking a permanent neighbor to keep tabs is not a responsible way to conduct business. It is a way to make profit while someone else does your dirty work.

[DrMack]

We are new, but we don’t like what we hear from this thread on Short-Term-Rental control. I didn’t even know they had rentals in the villages. If they do, that isn’t good. How does a resident insure they aren’t around these type of property devaluations? Are there spots where this isn’t permitted?

[Cybersprings]

Asking a permanent homeowner to keep tabs on the rental properties in their neighborhood is not the right thing to do. That is the responsibility of the investor. He/she should drive past the home to see if everything is fine. At least, 3 times a day! I don't help the investors in my neighborhood. If something happens it is their responsibility not mine.

Pretty awesome response. State something in reponse to a post that the post did not say, then say how wrong that statement is. Sounds logical to me. Is there anything else the person didn't say that you would like to point out is wrong????
The homeowner should drive by the home 3 times per day to make sure everything is ok. Nope. Don't understand how anyone could argue with that. Or why not 2 times per hour? Or just continually drive around the block?

[Cybersprings]

We are new, but we don’t like what we hear from this thread on Short-Term-Rental control. I didn’t even know they had rentals in the villages. If they do, that isn’t good. How does a resident insure they aren’t around these type of property devaluations? Are there spots where this isn’t permitted?

Rentals in the villages is not good. You didn't even know they existed, but yet somehow they are bad. It would seem that if they were that bad you would have noticed that they existed.
Rentals in the villages cause property devaluations in the villages. Would you care to share a single iota of evidence of this "fact"

[Cybersprings]

It seems investors are interested in patio villas and CYV. These types of homes are usually cheaper than others. Lower bonds and less property taxes. I can speak from experience that they definitely have a high interest in villas near town squares. My neighborhood is becoming the Comfort Inn. I will have to move to escape it.

Maybe we should ban patio villas and CYVs? They apparently attract the undesireables, they don't pay their "fair share" in taxes and bonds, and they bring down the average property values in the villages.

[DrMack]

Rentals in the villages is not good. You didn't even know they existed, but yet somehow they are bad. It would seem that if they were that bad you would have noticed that they existed.
Rentals in the villages cause property devaluations in the villages. Would you care to share a single iota of evidence of this "fact"

We just don’t care to have some Short-Term-Rental being in a new neighborhood we are purchasing in. We can always back out and lose our deposit, it almost isn’t worth it to us. We are just now noticing as our feet are beginning to get wet. We had a home near ours in Henderson and dowish a repeat of that adventure on us, or anyone. I apologize for my awareness evolving on the issue and problem in the Villages.

[Cybersprings]

And reading your many posts that are irrelevant to this thread is like putting a metal stake in my eye and hoping it doesn't bleed.

I have been following along diligently. Could you please point to one post by Brian, not in response to someone else's irrelevant post, that was irrelevant? But leave out his post telling us to pull a gun in texas to see what happens on a thread about STRs....oh wait. My bad.

[Cybersprings]

So you are assuming that only one person will be affected by one of these undesirable properties in a neighbor hood when in actuality the entire neighbor will be affected especially in the villa neighborhoods.

Huh??? Can you show the math on that assumption please? I don't get it at all.

[Cybersprings]

Asking a neighbor to let you know if a renter is doing something to bother them is not neighborly. An investor should make certain it never happens before it gets to that point.

Can you please explain how an investor would do that? Should I re-watch the movie Minority Report? We should apply this to the government. They need to prevent people from committing crimes before they do it. Then we wouldn't have to pay for criminal prosecutions or jails, and we would have no victims of crime. I don't know why no one has suggested this before. (Ok, i think I do know why).

Asking a neighbor to let you know if something a renter is doing to bother them is ABSOLUTELY neighborly. I wish my permanent resident neighbors would ask me the same thing so that I could tell them to keep their dog from crapping in my yard or the circle in front of our house without cleaning it up.

[Cybersprings]

But those who have are experiencing problems. If strs
are allowed to continue, it won't be long that some are in your neighborhood. Where there is smoke; there will be fire.

Let's take a poll. Has anyone on this site ever had a problem with a neighbor that is permanent, seasonal/snowbird, or long term rental? If more than a few have, we must eliminate all of those types from the villages.

[Cybersprings]

How can one be accused of stalking a property they own for investment purposes? I see it as a responsibility to monitor. Asking a permanent neighbor to keep tabs is not a responsible way to conduct business. It is a way to make profit while someone else does your dirty work.

If a husband, who was separated from his wife, drove around his own house 3 times a day (while paying for 100% of it and being responsible for it) he could absolutely be convicted of stalking. If a landlord drove around a house they own 3 times a day watching it, they could absolutely get in trouble for stalking. Know why? Because reasonable people know that isn't even close to being reasonable.

Again, people are telling people they are wrong for stating something they never stated. He already said asking the neighbors to keep tabs was a bridge too far (that meant he thought it was wrong if you didn't get that). Asking a neighbor to let them know if the renter did anything that bothered them is completely different. Who else would know if the neighbor was bothered other than the neighbor?? And showing that you are open to hear and resolve issues that the neighbor has is a great thing. I wish all of my permanent neighbors were like that. When my neighbors moved in, I said, please let me know if anything I do bothers you. I want to be a good neighbor, and I may not be aware that something I do bothers you. NOT NECESSARY at all, but it sure lets the new neighbors know they shouldn't suffer in silence if something I do inadvertantly causes them a problem.

[Cybersprings]

We just don’t care to have some Short-Term-Rental being in a new neighborhood we are purchasing in. We can always back out and lose our deposit, it almost isn’t worth it to us. We are just now noticing as our feet are beginning to get wet. We had a home near ours in Henderson and dowish a repeat of that adventure on us, or anyone. I apologize for my awareness evolving on the issue and problem in the Villages.

I completely understand your feelings. I think they are obviously shared by many. And there is nothing in this post that I could come close to debating. It was the statements of "fact" that I disagreeing with. (I didn't even know they were there, but I know they are bad. They bring down property values.) Heck, if the property values dropped, I might even buy another house and rent it out. But as it is they keep rising so fast, I couldn't afford another one. Mine has doubled in price since I purchased.

[oldtimes]

Huh??? Can you show the math on that assumption please? I don't get it at all.

The “fact” is that we have had the problem and you haven’t, so you can continue to split hairs all you want but your opinion means nothing to me.

[Cybersprings]

The “fact” is that we have had the problem and you haven’t, so you can continue to split hairs all you want but your opinion means nothing to me.

Feelings are mutual, but that's ok.

I have never argued that people haven't had bad problems and that it affects them.

But when they make crazy statements that make no sense, I often point that out. And I expect no less from others when I post. You can find several times where I state, point out where I was wrong.
I have had someone point out (yesterday) where I was wrong in my assertion of fact. I didn't respond with "your opinion doesn't matter to me", I responded with, you are 100% right, I was wrong. Not that hard to do. Learning is important in life. Learning from our mistakes is a good thing. Feel free to handle people pointing out that you made no sense any way you choose.

[BrianL99]

According to what set of statistics?

One statistic I've seen has per capita ownership numbers of 23 owners/1000 citizens in Florida and 28 owners/1000 citizens in Texas. Not "By far!" by any means.

With 35% more population, this puts the total number of gun owners in Texas at twice the number in Florida. Okay, that's a more significant statistic.

With 429 people/sq mi in Florida but only 112 people/sqmi in Texas, this puts the number of gun owners at about 10 owners/sq mi in Florida compared with 3 owners/sq mi in Texas. Florida wins that round.

But you didn't compare Florida with Texas, you compared the Villages with Texas. Okay, with 2,217 people/ sq mi in the Villages, that makes about 51 owners/sq mi in the Villages compared with 3 owners/sq mi in Texas. 51:3... the Villages seem to be home to the most gun owners, by a factor of 17!

I missed this post. Thanks for doing the math.

[margaretmattson]

If a husband, who was separated from his wife, drove around his own house 3 times a day (while paying for 100% of it and being responsible for it) he could absolutely be convicted of stalking. If a landlord drove around a house they own 3 times a day watching it, they could absolutely get in trouble for stalking. Know why? Because reasonable people know that isn't even close to being reasonable.

Again, people are telling people they are wrong for stating something they never stated. He already said asking the neighbors to keep tabs was a bridge too far (that meant he thought it was wrong if you didn't get that). Asking a neighbor to let them know if the renter did anything that bothered them is completely different. Who else would know if the neighbor was bothered other than the neighbor?? And showing that you are open to hear and resolve issues that the neighbor has is a great thing. I wish all of my permanent neighbors were like that. When my neighbors moved in, I said, please let me know if anything I do bothers you. I want to be a good neighbor, and I may not be aware that something I do bothers you. NOT NECESSARY at all, but it sure lets the new neighbors know they shouldn't suffer in silence if something I do inadvertantly causes them a problem.You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!

Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.

[margaretmattson]

I missed this post. Thanks for doing the math.Not great math. The post was Texas AND RURAL AREAS in the USA have more guns by far! Most guns are not registered in these areas. But, go ahead! Be a GOOGLE FANATIC because you probably have NEVER BEEN to these places. If you are going to be a Google fanatic, then look up the correct statistic. Are RURAL AREAS home to the most guns? Does Texas have a lot of RURAL AREAS?

And please, don't kid yourself that all guns are registered. One should add a percentage for that. I've been to these places. I suggest you add a large percentage for not registered. (Think about the number of hunters.)

Go ahead! Blame me for responding to a poster who started the gun owner talk. INSTEAD of the poster who started it. He stated the Villages is among the highest population of gun owners in the USA. And, we can use those guns to shoot abusers. My response was there are more gun owners in Texas and Rural areas in the USA, we don't need to settle things on our own in the Villages. But, you know what? Join the poster's vigilante group. We have nothing better to do here in the Villages.

[Randall55]

Margaret, there are people on this forum who never read the entire thread but look at responses and sensationalize them. Some whose mission is to make others look like fools and others who post irrelevant facts and figures in an attempt to prove they are smarter than everyone. There are an abundance of fact checkers who google what they want to hear, then respond."See, my facts are right!" I suggest you use the ignore feature for these types of posters. Try as you may, you cannot change a person. Best to ignore and move on.

I googled gun ownership in rural areas and read several articles. I believe what you have stated is true. Rural areas have the highest population of gun owners.

I have been to rural areas in the USA. One can not help but notice the many guns that are hanging in the cabs of trucks, over-filled gun cabinets in homes, and a good number wearing camouflage going or returning from a hunt. My brother lives in Houston. While I am driving, he warns me to not exhibit road rage. Very quickly, I will be looking down the barrel of a gun. Only one who has been in these areas can truly understand your post.

You apologized twice for your post. This shows you are a kind and thoughtful lady. I have seen no apology from the poster who wants Villagers to shoot abusers.

[Randall55]

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me tell you what happens.
1. You wake up and trash has been put on the curb when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they are walking around naked. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only there for a few days they will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has people to do this. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility as well?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time. They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be on the property.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing your experiences of living next to rentals. It is best to hear from those who are suffering than from those who are not. It annoys me that posters, who are obviously investors, cannot see the errors of their ways.

[BrianL99]

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[BrianL99]

Thank you for sharing your experiences of living next to rentals. It is best to hear from those who are suffering than from those who are not. It annoys me that posters, who are obviously investors, cannot see the errors of their ways.


All the rest of you posters, please stop posting about your experience or preferences.

There's only room for one opinion and one conclusion.

Only people who are "suffering" are allowed. You folks who are happy and enjoying your lives, please keep your positivity to yourself, so the oppressed can wallow in their misery.

[Randall55]

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!

Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.///

[Bill14564]

Not great math. The post was Texas AND RURAL AREAS in the USA have more guns by far! Most guns are not registered in these areas. But, go ahead! Be a GOOGLE FANATIC because you probably have NEVER BEEN to these places. If you are going to be a Google fanatic, then look up the correct statistic. Are RURAL AREAS home to the most guns? Does Texas have a lot of RURAL AREAS?
Don't just emphatically assert you are right, show the statistics.

Does Texas have a lot of rural areas? Is that a joke? Have you never been to Texas, do you have no clue what Texas is like, or did you not look up the word rural? Driving across Texas is 800 miles of never ending nothingness. Almost all of Texas is a rural area.

And please, don't kid yourself that all guns are registered. One should add a percentage for that. I've been to these places. I suggest you add a large percentage for not registered. (Think about the number of hunters.)

Who mentioned registered guns? (HINT: You did, back in post 259)


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I have been to rural areas in the USA. One can not help but notice the many guns that are hanging in the cabs of trucks, over-filled gun cabinets in homes, and a good number wearing camouflage going or returning from a hunt. My brother lives in Houston. While I am driving, he warns me to not exhibit road rage. Very quickly, I will be looking down the barrel of a gun. Only one who has been in these areas can truly understand your post.
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Houston, the most populous city in Texas and in the southern US, is most definitely NOT a rural area.

You apologized twice for your post. This shows you are a kind and thoughtful lady. I have seen no apology from the poster who wants Villagers to shoot abusers.

And which Villager was that?

If you are going to make claims such as
I was making a point that Texas and Rural areas in the USA are home to the most gun owners. By far!
Then you ought to be able to back it up by something more than just repeating it over and over.

[BrianL99]

Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, ...

Furthermore, The Villages residential neighborhoods CAN restrict AirBnBs if they are paying amenities such as an HOA. The amenity fees is key to classification as an HOA. In other words, if you pay to live there you can do something about it, but only through a vote. In such case, the District would need to vote on the issue and formalize it through minute etc and give residents a 30 day notice. Anyone wishing to appeal can do so.

I urge you to learn more about HOA's and CDD's.

They are significantly different.

Paying an Amenity Fee doesn't make a CDD an HOA.

Your browser is not supported | news-press.com (https://www.news-press.com/story/marketplace/real-estate/2021/06/12/difference-between-hoa-and-cdd-explained/7587166002/)

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[margaretmattson]

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!

Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.
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[oldtimes]

All the rest of you posters, please stop posting about your experience or preferences.

There's only room for one opinion and one conclusion.

Only people who are "suffering" are allowed. You folks who are happy and enjoying your lives, please keep your positivity to yourself, so the oppressed can wallow in their misery.

Yes if you haven’t been affected yes let’s disparage those that have. People who are looking to buy here have a right to know that their neighbors may not be retirees like they might expect but small hotels/motels.

[Cybersprings]

Yes if you haven’t been affected yes let’s disparage those that have. People who are looking to buy here have a right to know that their neighbors may not be retirees like they might expect but small hotels/motels.

And this is why I post. The post did not disparage people who have been affected. The post disparaged people who have been affected who think they are the only ones who are allowed to post, and that anyone who has not should shut up (unless of course you agree with regulations proposed by those who have been affected).

[Randall55]

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!

Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.This post explains why there should be laws regarding STRS. One Villager should not profit while another Villager does his/her dirty work. It is interesting to see how investors on this forum are quickly trying to bury this post
.

[Bill14564]

This post explains why there should be laws regarding STRS. One Villager should not profit and except another Villager to do his/her dirty work. It is interesting to see how investors are quickly trying to bury this post
.

??? Bury? Who is trying to bury that post?

That post has been placed twice by MM and three times by you in less than nine hours. 30% of the recent posts (5 of 17) have been copies of that post. Bury??


EDIT: That post does make me want to drive through her neighborhood three times each day just to see the complete breakdown in civilization!

[Happydaz]

Today there are some comments from Dave Ramsey on short term rentals. He thinks they are a bad idea as STR customers may cause damage to your investment as they are on vacation and only stay a few days. He says you are in effect operating a business out of your house. They annoy the neighbors and create problems that cause more and more communities to restrict these kind of rentals. In the future these STR may be curtailed. He recommended that the caller not buy a house as a short term rental.

[Cybersprings]

Margaret, there are people on this forum who never read the entire thread but look at responses and sensationalize them. Some whose mission is to make others look like fools and others who post irrelevant facts and figures in an attempt to prove they are smarter than everyone. There are an abundance of fact checkers who google what they want to hear, then respond."See, my facts are right!" I suggest you use the ignore feature for these types of posters. Try as you may, you cannot change a person. Best to ignore and move on.

I googled gun ownership in rural areas and read several articles. I believe what you have stated is true. Rural areas have the highest population of gun owners.

I have been to rural areas in the USA. One can not help but notice the many guns that are hanging in the cabs of trucks, over-filled gun cabinets in homes, and a good number wearing camouflage going or returning from a hunt. My brother lives in Houston. While I am driving, he warns me to not exhibit road rage. Very quickly, I will be looking down the barrel of a gun. Only one who has been in these areas can truly understand your post.

You apologized twice for your post. This shows you are a kind and thoughtful lady. I have seen no apology from the poster who wants Villagers to shoot abusers.

Why would the poster apologize for wanting to shoot convicted child molesters???? I am more worried about you if you don't WANT to (or do you want to just send them to time out?). Wanting to do something and actually doing something are completely different things. But what he said is,

"If we're not allowed to simply shoot them, they have to live somewhere.
I'd rather they were in TV, than in a neighborhood of children."

"You stated There are an abundance of fact checkers who google what they want to hear, then respond."See, my facts are right!" You then follow that up a few sentences later with
"I googled gun ownership in rural areas and read several articles. I believe what you have stated is true. Rural areas have the highest population of gun owners."

Pot meet kettle. Do you not see the hypocrisy, which compels people who are reading the entire thread to respond?

[Bill14564]

Today there are some comments from Dave Ramsey on short term rentals. He thinks they are a bad idea as STR customers may cause damage to your investment as they are on vacation and only stay a few days. He says you are in effect operating a business out of your house. They annoy the neighbors and create problems that cause more and more communities to restrict these kind of rentals. In the future these STR may be curtailed. He recommended that the caller not buy a house as a short term rental.

See posts 305, 312, 313, and 317.

[Normal]

Rules can be made per Florida statute’s and laws…

“Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals.”

Note: local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals

Licenses are required for any short term rentals. It is illegal to operate and AirBnB without one. This leaves the door wide open for changes. You can’t ban, but can control the situation.

Governments can require a landlord for short term rentals to have the landlord present while guests occupy their building.

Governments can issue maximum occupancy rules.

Governments can issue fines and liens for collection.

[Cybersprings]

This post explains why there should be laws regarding STRS. One Villager should not profit and except another Villager to do his/her dirty work. It is interesting to see how investors on this forum are quickly trying to bury this post
.

There is one sentence that you wrote in this thread that I can agree with (with a corrected typo for expect). I would bet Brian and anyone else who is not simply jumping on the bandwagon would agree with it 100%. But who on here has said made the assertion that we think the Villager should have to do any work at all in support of their neighbor's STRs?

[Cybersprings]

??? Bury? Who is trying to bury that post?

That post has been placed twice by MM and three times by you in less than nine hours. 30% of the recent posts (5 of 17) have been copies of that post. Bury??


EDIT: That post does make me want to drive through her neighborhood three times each day just to see the complete breakdown in civilization!

Excellent point in your edit. My money is that it would take lots of days of doing that to see it. Not that it does not occur, but that the way it is described is slightly exaggerated.

[Randall55]

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!

Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.How many rentals are on your street?

[BrianL99]

Rules can be made per Florida statute’s and laws…

“Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals.”

Note: local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals

Licenses are required for any short term rentals. It is illegal to operate and AirBnB without one. This leaves the door wide open for changes. You can’t ban, but can control the situation.

Governments can require a landlord for short term rentals to have the landlord present while guests occupy their building.

Governments can issue maximum occupancy rules.

Governments can issue fines and liens for collection.


Why would the city of Lake Lake or Lake County or any other city/town/county that make up The Villages, get involved with the unreasonable complaints of a few Villagers?

STR owners pay taxes like everyone else and pay business taxes. STR owners in Lake County and Marion, pay an additional 4% Tourist Development Tax. (Sumter County does not have a Tourist Development Tax.)

[Normal]

Why would the city of Lake Lake or Lake County or any other city/town/county that make up The Villages, get involved with the unreasonable complaints of a few Villagers?

STR owners pay taxes like everyone else and pay business taxes. STR owners in Lake County and Marion, pay an additional 4% Tourist Development Tax. (Sumter County does not have a Tourist Development Tax.)

Just the sheer numbers and adverse headlines. They also destroy the total concept of retirement in The Villages. Great point for Sumter county too. They could write a rule that would include huge rewards when passing what they need. More than half of Sumter County is The Villages (for now, but Wildwood is starting to really boom).

You have to realize, this will balance the wheel of rentals which this is all about.

[BrianL99]

Today there are some comments from Dave Ramsey on short term rentals. He thinks they are a bad idea as STR customers may cause damage to your investment as they are on vacation and only stay a few days. He says you are in effect operating a business out of your house. They annoy the neighbors and create problems that cause more and more communities to restrict these kind of rentals. In the future these STR may be curtailed. He recommended that the caller not buy a house as a short term rental.

I'm not a Dave Ramsey fan, but he's correct on these points ... at least for the type of people who listen to his show.

STR's can be a pain in the butt to manage and the business model is self-limiting.

The biggest problem for STR "investors", is many of them are taking mortgages to buy rental property in an extremely volatile market (hospitality/vacation). They need to rent to pay the mortgage and the dynamics of that rental market are dependent on a myriad of uncontrollable factors.

Those who are buying with cash, are usually in a different financial situation (or at least were, before the recent interest rate hikes).

If you can only get 1% return on your money in the bank, why not put it into real estate that generates income + appreciation? With CD Rates now edging over 5%, the real estate market doesn't seem like such a great investment strategy this year.

[Cybersprings]

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!
Are you claiming this is your typical day? Or that all of these things have happened in any one day? Or are you taking all of the things that have occurred over the years and trying to convey that as your typical day?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want any of those things to occur, but to convey that as your typical day I assert is not accurate. But I could be wrong. Tell me if I am and let me know the STR address and I will drive by 3 times a day for a few days just to observe what you are having to endure.


So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

Uhhhh, No. Did anyone say it was? Who is that question to? Who on here do you think feels it is?

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Are you saying that the owner, who told you to F off had previously come to you and said, please let me know if renters cause you any problem so I can take care of it, then when you did, he told you to F off? I bet not. So which of the people on here that you are debating with has suggested that you have to call the owner or that it will work? (post number of that post would be great). No one is saying that we support that STR owner, that we think any of that behavior is acceptable, or that we don't think issues with STRs need to be addressed, and it shouldn't have to fall on the shoulders of the neighbor. In fact, please provide a single post number where anyone has posted in favor of STRs. I think the closest you would find is I am ambivalent, or it is against state law to forbid them (a fact not a position), or I don't know if I want more regualations on what I can do with my property.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called.
I found something I can agree with. Yes, you have every right to make those demands, just like a toddler has every right to demand a candy bar for dinner. And probably the same odds of getting your demands met (maybe less because some parents give in to their kids).


If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. So can Full time Residents.People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner.
The closest post you could find to supporting STR owners is that we think asking your neighbors to let you know if a renter is bothering you so that they can take care of it is neighborly.You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!
Are you stating that since you live next door to a bad situation, no statement or demand you could ever make is unreasonable? Or because you are living next to that, we should excuse all of your unreasonableness?


Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.
Your admonition should actually be to the people who agree with you. Every one of those things posted were to refute a ridiculous or incorrect statement by people who are against STRs. Tell your cronies to stop posting lies and incorrect statements, and people won't have to use facts to prove they are wrong. BTW, do you own this thread? Were we supposed to request permission from you to post? If so, I did not realize that and I apologize. Are you renting it out to other's who agree with you only?

[Cybersprings]

Thank you for sharing your experiences of living next to rentals. It is best to hear from those who are suffering than from those who are not. It annoys me that posters, who are obviously investors, cannot see the errors of their ways.

Please point out the obvious investors to me. It is not obvious to me.

And I appreciate your position. It is best to hear only one perspective. Is that learned in the BS level of Political Science or is that in the Master's Program where they teach it is best to only hear one perspective?

[BrianL99]

I found something I can agree with. Yes, you have every right to make those demands, just like a toddler has every right to demand a candy bar for dinner. And probably the same odds of getting your demands met (maybe less because some parents give in to their kids).



Great line, I'm going to save that one to use some time. I will of course, provide proper attribution.

[Cybersprings]

Great line, I'm going to save that one to use some time. I will of course, provide proper attribution.

Sorry, not renting it out. Renting only attracts riff raff :laugh:

[Michael 61]

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

[Cybersprings]

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

Again I ask you to provide the number of a post where the person states that they supports STRs.
And as far as those passionate supporters who are obvious STR owners, is it obvious that I am a STR owner?

[Cybersprings]

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

As far as "there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted", would you be including me? I am really curious and answering that would in no way be a personal attack, just your observation /opinion from my posts.

[Michael 61]

Again I ask you to provide the number of a post where the person states that they supports STRs.
And as far as those passionate supporters who are obvious STR owners, is it obvious that I am a STR owner?

I thought the rules of TOTV is that you don’t directly address another poster -

[Cybersprings]

I thought the rules of TOTV is that you don’t directly address another poster -

I know what you are saying. I actually typed
ADMIN -PLEASE PLEASE do not penalize him for answering my question, but then deleted it thinking it unnecessary, but I completely get your concern.

If you think I am a STR owner, just enter a quick reply (not a reply which references my post) with Yes to 1. If you think yes to my followon post asking a similar question, put Yes to 2.

[Bill14564]

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

Quite a few assumptions, accusations, and generalizations there.

I would guess that since I am one of the top five posters on this thread and I am not calling for a ban on rentals that I must be one of the STR landlords that have not come clean and admitted it. After all, that is the only reason for being "passionate" in defense of STRs, right? For that, I would refer you to post #166.

[oldtimes]

I thought the rules of TOTV is that you don’t directly address another poster -

Yes blocking works much better

[Velvet]

I believe after reading 370 posts on the topic, there are one or two people here who are either landlord owners or “hired guns” to speak up for those individuals. They want to discredit your experience, outright deny there is a problem, try to obfuscate with “statistics”, even tell you that residents benefit from their business activities. I think the solution will have to come in the typical “American way”.

[margaretmattson]

Rules can be made per Florida statute’s and laws…

“Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals.”

Note: local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals

Licenses are required for any short term rentals. It is illegal to operate and AirBnB without one. This leaves the door wide open for changes. You can’t ban, but can control the situation.

Governments can require a landlord for short term rentals to have the landlord present while guests occupy their building.

Governments can issue maximum occupancy rules.

Governments can issue fines and liens for collection.Thanks to those who responded to my post in an understanding way. For those of you who question the troubles I have experienced, look for flaws in my sentences, and try to lessen my experiences, I will, again, try to explain. I know some will respond in the negative and have the right to do so. This is America. We all have the right to speak our minds. It is ridiculous that anyone would believe otherwise.

There are 10 rentals on my street. One next door to me, 3 on the same side, 4 across, and 2 further down. During the winter months, these homes are usually rented for 3 months. Some of the renters are friendly. They see knocking on my door as an opportunity to ask me questions, give recommendations, provide them with directions, and even ask to borrow things. When I am on my driveway or walking my dog, they come up beside me asking question after question. I am not the Village information Center! These renters slow me down from my schedule. They are trying to act friendly but what they really want is information.

These long term renters are prone to have guests staying with them for one, two, or three weeks. Some stay for the entire 3 months. Why not? They have an extra 2 bedrooms. Let's take the opportunity to invite family and friends! These extra cars block the streets and driveways. More trash is on the street and instead of one pet, the home now has two.

They leave the home and go to Disney or the beach and leave their pets barking. And, some are not aware that their voices are loud. I can hear every single word they say when they are on the lanai. Some of their discussions are meant to be private. But, they have no problem airing out their dirty laundry.

When the owner of the property is not available, they want me to fix their problem. I tell them to call the owner, but they say they have tried with no response.

I can go on, but my previous posts explain more of their antics. For those of you who believe I am overvexaggersting, how many days would you find this behavior acceptable? Yeah! I thought so!

During the summer months, the rentals are often occupied by families, younger people, and those who want to have a good time. Children are left unattended on the streets, whine and cry, and are prone to run around the yard, screaming at the top of their lungs. There are more parties, and there are more drunks. Singing on the lanai, howling at the moon, peeing on my lawn, screaming, arguing, nudity etc. You read about these people in the news. Why then, would you think I am exxagerating? But, I get it! Not my neighborhood; not my problem.

An investor coming up to a permanent resident and asking to let him know if there are problems, is not being neighborly. He only wants affirmation that what he is doing is not a problem. In my experience, they never take care of the issue when you tell them of one. They are only interested in their profits!

Again, I understand some of you will respond in the negative. Your responses affirm what I already know. There are greedy people in this world who could care less about the problems they are causing. And, people who cannot believe these things are happening so close to them. Why would I believe anything less? I am not surprised to find some of these people on this forum.

[Velvet]

Oh, I forgot to add, and when they obviously can’t win an indefensible argument, they pick on your grammar. Hoping to intimidate you into silence.

[Bill14564]

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There are 10 rentals on my street. One next door to me, 3 on the same side, 4 across, and 2 further down. During the winter months, these homes are usually rented for 3 months. Some of the renters are friendly. They see knocking on my door as an opportunity to ask me questions, give recommendations, provide them with directions, and even ask to borrow things. When I am on my driveway or walking my dog, they come up beside me asking question after question. I am not the Village information Center! These renters slow me down from my schedule. They are trying to act friendly but what they really want is information.

These long term renters are prone to have guests staying with them for one, two, or three weeks. Some stay for the entire 3 months. Why not? They have an extra 2 bedrooms. Let's take the opportunity to invite family and friends! These extra cars block the streets and driveways. More trash is on the street and instead of one pet, the home now has two.

They leave the home and go to Disney or the beach and leave their pets barking. And, some are not aware that their voices are loud. I can hear every single word they say when they are on the lanai. Some of their discussions are meant to be private. But, they have no problem airing out their dirty laundry.

When the owner of the property is not available, they want me to fix their problem. I tell them to call the owner, but they say they have tried with no response.

I can go on, but my previous posts explain more of their antics. For those of you who believe I am overvexaggersting, how many days would you find this behavior acceptable? Yeah! I thought so!

During the summer months, the rentals are often occupied by families, younger people, and those who want to have a good time. Children are left unattended on the streets, whine and cry, and are prone to run around the yard, screaming at the top of their lungs. There are more parties, and there are more drunks. Singing on the lanai, howling at the moon, peeing on my lawn, screaming, arguing, nudity etc. You read about these people in the news. Why then, would you think I am exxagerating? But, I get it! Not my neighborhood; not my problem.

An investor coming up to a permanent resident and asking to let him know if there are problems, is not being neighborly. He only wants affirmation that what he is doing is not a problem. In my experience, they never take care of the issue when you tell them of one. They are only interested in their profits!

Again, I understand some of you will respond in the negative. Your responses affirm what I already know. There are greedy people in this world who could care less about the problems they are causing. And, people who cannot believe these things are happening so close to them. Why would I believe anything less? I am not surprised to find some of these people on this forum.

So you are against any rental at all including longer-term (3 month) rentals. Fair enough, that is your choice, but recognize that a 3 month rental is not what most on here are discussing and would not be affected by "AirBnB" regulations.

The homeowner asking you to let him know if the people in his house are causing problems just might be sincerely asking. Maybe you should take him at his word rather than prejudging him. And yes, some might not be sincere or some might get weary of hearing that everything is a problem.

[margaretmattson]

So you are against any rental at all including longer-term (3 month) rentals. Fair enough, that is your choice, but recognize that a 3 month rental is not what most on here are discussing and would not be affected by "AirBnB" regulations.

The homeowner asking you to let him know if the people in his house are causing problems just might be sincerely asking. Maybe you should take him at his word rather than prejudging him. And yes, some might not be sincere or some might get weary of hearing that everything is a problem. Again, it has been my experience that the owners of the rentals never fix any issues when brought to their attention. They do not want to address his/her renters in fear of losing their rental income. It is obvious they care more about money and not the problems they are creating. Do you think they care about extra cars? Do you think they care what happens while they are enjoying a good nights sleep? Do you think they will oust renters who continually are a problem? The answer is obvious. No!

I understand that this is a thread on STRS. Some posters have lessened my experiences by saying, I doubt it is that bad. Instead of posting what my experiences with STRS are in the summer months, I decided to post what an entire year is like beside rentals. If some people still believe I am exxagerating, I cannot and do not wish to change their opinions. I am only posting my experiences. People are free to believe whatever they want.

[Cybersprings]

I believe after reading 370 posts on the topic, there are one or two people here who are either landlord owners or “hired guns” to speak up for those individuals. They want to discredit your experience, outright deny there is a problem, try to obfuscate with “statistics”, even tell you that residents benefit from their business activities. I think the solution will have to come in the typical “American way”.


Since I have posted many times, I will assume (possibly incorrectly) that I am one of the 1 or 2. And since I have owned one and only one house in the villages for over 8 years and have never rented my home out for as much as 1 minute, I will assume I am a "hired gun". Can someone please tell me who I can contact for my money. I have yet to see a penny, and I have put a lot of time in.

The arrogance of "knowing" that anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is a bad person or has bad intentions is apparent in many of the posts in this thread. I wonder if I should post that I have come to the conclusion that based upon this thread the villages is populated primarily by whiners and people who want nothing more than to control what other people do with their property. I would be wrong with my conclusion, and so is the conclusion in your post.

[oldtimes]

Oh, I forgot to add, and when they obviously can’t win an indefensible argument, they pick on your grammar. Hoping to intimidate you into silence.

Some are just antagonistic bullies and are better left ignored.

[Cybersprings]

Some are just antagonistic bullies and are better left ignored.

If you define bullies as someone who disagrees with you and uses facts to do so, I guess I am a bully. But I will accept the mantle of sarcastic. I do use sarcasm to respond to posts that attack rather than debate.

[Randall55]

Thanks to those who responded to my post in an understanding way. For those of you who question the troubles I have experienced, look for flaws in my sentences, and try to lessen my experiences, I will, again, try to explain. I know some will respond in the negative and have the right to do so. This is America. We all have the right to speak our minds. It is ridiculous that anyone would believe otherwise.

There are 10 rentals on my street. One next door to me, 3 on the same side, 4 across, and 2 further down. During the winter months, these homes are usually rented for 3 months. Some of the renters are friendly. They see knocking on my door as an opportunity to ask me questions, give recommendations, provide them with directions, and even ask to borrow things. When I am on my driveway or walking my dog, they come up beside me asking question after question. I am not the Village information Center! These renters slow me down from my schedule. They are trying to act friendly but what they really want is information.

These long term renters are prone to have guests staying with them for one, two, or three weeks. Some stay for the entire 3 months. Why not? They have an extra 2 bedrooms. Let's take the opportunity to invite family and friends! These extra cars block the streets and driveways. More trash is on the street and instead of one pet, the home now has two.

They leave the home and go to Disney or the beach and leave their pets barking. And, some are not aware that their voices are loud. I can hear every single word they say when they are on the lanai. Some of their discussions are meant to be private. But, they have no problem airing out their dirty laundry.

When the owner of the property is not available, they want me to fix their problem. I tell them to call the owner, but they say they have tried with no response.

I can go on, but my previous posts explain more of their antics. For those of you who believe I am overvexaggersting, how many days would you find this behavior acceptable? Yeah! I thought so!

During the summer months, the rentals are often occupied by families, younger people, and those who want to have a good time. Children are left unattended on the streets, whine and cry, and are prone to run around the yard, screaming at the top of their lungs. There are more parties, and there are more drunks. Singing on the lanai, howling at the moon, peeing on my lawn, screaming, arguing, nudity etc. You read about these people in the news. Why then, would you think I am exxagerating? But, I get it! Not my neighborhood; not my problem.

An investor coming up to a permanent resident and asking to let him know if there are problems, is not being neighborly. He only wants affirmation that what he is doing is not a problem. In my experience, they never take care of the issue when you tell them of one. They are only interested in their profits!

Again, I understand some of you will respond in the negative. Your responses affirm what I already know. There are greedy people in this world who could care less about the problems they are causing. And, people who cannot believe these things are happening so close to them. Why would I believe anything less? I am not surprised to find some of these people on this forum.I am not trying to lessen your experiences. But, have you considered moving? I sent you a PM on an area I know that is free from rentals. (so far) I hope this information can help you find a better neighborhood to enjoy your retirement.

[Cybersprings]

Oh, I forgot to add, and when they obviously can’t win an indefensible argument, they pick on your grammar. Hoping to intimidate you into silence.

Possible to provide an example of that? asking for a friend

[Cybersprings]

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

Since I am one of the few on here who has not jumped on the bandwagon with both feet, and you are not comfortable stating that you believe I am an STR owner and I am one who passionately supports STRs, I will just assume it was directed at me and a couple of others.

1. I am not nor have I ever been a STR owner.
2. I am not passionately or to any lesser degree a supporter of short term rentals. This issue is not really even on my radar for important things in my life. I have stated in one of my posts that I am ambivalent on STRs. I recognized that people are having issues with them and I think that those things are wrong and I sympathize them, but I listed that my sister has been an STR renter once a year and is as conscientious as any owner, and I would hate for her to lose that opportunity.
3. If you look at my posts across multipe threads [I know, why would anyone even take the time to do that when there are so many more worthwhile things to do with your time, but if you (general you, not you specifically) are going to impugn people with the title of bully, STR owner, or anything else, you should probably base it on reality], you will see a common theme:

1. I am (passionately) against blanket statements that malign or undermine an entire profession based upon a small body of personal experience
2. I am (passionately) against people stating that because they are a supposed or actual expert on a topic, no on should question them on any remotely related topic
3. I am (extremely passionately in some cases, but not at all with STRs) against preventing anyone from owning/possessing things especially those protected by the constitution or using them in certain ways, because some other people use them illegally or extremely inconsiderately.
4. I am against people stating as fact that which is not fact
5. I am against people advocating a position by greatly exaggerating the frequency of the problem.
6. I am against people attributing statements, positions, feeling, etc to someone without any actual basis, and then attacking or criticizing them for that made up attribution.
7. I don't pick on spelling or grammar.

I am open to listen to anyone who is for any of those things that I am against. I willingly admit when I am wrong, but that doesn't happen often because I try to state as opinion that which is opinion, I try not to exaggerate the truth, I actually read the post to which I am responding and do not attribute things that weren't stated or clearly implied.

So, I don't take any offense to posts that impugn me because I know that it is not based on me being wrong, me being "mean", or whatever accusation. And I do not apologise for being against any of the things I listed. Please "come clean" if you are for any of them. And feel free to find any post that something I said was not correct (and haven't already admitted to that). I am more than willing to take what I dish out.

[Randall55]

I believe after reading 370 posts on the topic, there are one or two people here who are either landlord owners or “hired guns” to speak up for those individuals. They want to discredit your experience, outright deny there is a problem, try to obfuscate with “statistics”, even tell you that residents benefit from their business activities. I think the solution will have to come in the typical “American way”.I reread this entire thread. Can anyone tell me who owns Talk of the Villages? I looked for information but I could only find that it is private, for profit, and the owner(s) are located in Florida and New York.

[margaretmattson]

Since I am one of the few on here who has not jumped on the bandwagon with both feet, and you are not comfortable stating that you believe I am an STR owner and I am one who passionately supports STRs, I will just assume it was directed at me and a couple of others.

1. I am not nor have I ever been a STR owner.
2. I am not passionately or to any lesser degree a supporter of short term rentals. This issue is not really even on my radar for important things in my life. I have stated in one of my posts that I am ambivalent on STRs. I recognized that people are having issues with them and I think that those things are wrong and I sympathize them, but I listed that my sister has been an STR renter once a year and is as conscientious as any owner, and I would hate for her to lose that opportunity.
3. If you look at my posts across multipe threads [I know, why would anyone even take the time to do that when there are so many more worthwhile things to do with your time, but if you (general you, not you specifically) are going to impugn people with the title of bully, STR owner, or anything else, you should probably base it on reality], you will see a common theme:

1. I am (passionately) against blanket statements that malign or undermine an entire profession based upon a small body of personal experience
2. I am (passionately) against people stating that because they are a supposed or actual expert on a topic, no on should question them on any remotely related topic
3. I am (extremely passionately in some cases, but not at all with STRs) against preventing anyone from owning/possessing things especially those protected by the constitution or using them in certain ways, because some other people use them illegally or extremely inconsiderately.
4. I am against people stating as fact that which is not fact
5. I am against people advocating a position by greatly exaggerating the frequency of the problem.
6. I am against people attributing statements, positions, feeling, etc to someone without any actual basis, and then attacking or criticizing them for that made up attribution.
7. I don't pick on spelling or grammar.

I am open to listen to anyone who is for any of those things that I am against. I willingly admit when I am wrong, but that doesn't happen often because I try to state as opinion that which is opinion, I try not to exaggerate the truth, I actually read the post to which I am responding and do not attribute things that weren't stated or clearly implied.

So, I don't take any offense to posts that impugn me because I know that it is not based on me being wrong, me being "mean", or whatever accusation. And I do not apologise for being against any of the things I listed. Please "come clean" if you are for any of them. And feel free to find any post that something I said was not correct (and haven't already admitted to that). I am more than willing to take what I dish out. Thank you for explaining in detail your beliefs, things that you stand for, and things you are against. Quick question. What does your post have to do with STRS?

[margaretmattson]

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.it has also been my experience that the Vast majority of Villagers are against STRS. A tiny few on this thread are opposed. They are entitled to their opinion. For all of you who are against STRS, keep posting. It will help readers understand the problems we are having in our areas. Many will be intelligent enough to recognize the problem can come to their areas. No one wants the Villages to become a Motel Shantytown.

[Normal]

it has also been my experience that the Vast majority of Villagers are against STRS. A tiny few on this thread are opposed. They are entitled to their opinion. For all of you who are against STRS, keep posting. It will help readers understand the problems we are having in our areas. Many will be intelligent enough to recognize the problem can come to their areas. No one wants the Villages to become a Motel Shantytown.

I live in a designer home and we have problems with the STRs. Everyone should be concerned.

[Cybersprings]

Thank you for explaining in detail your beliefs, things that you stand for, and things you are against. Quick question. What does your post have to do with STRS?

Did you bother to read the post to which I was responding or any of the other posts full of accusations of the intent or background of the people who are supposedly posting in favor of STRs?

I was responding to the baseless accusations against, assumptions about, and portrayal of the people who haven't jumped on board with the masses. I was responding to the assumption that I was passionately in favor of STRs and more passionate about that topic than any other.

But the fact that you couldn't see that is a good indication of why I have posted so many times. Should I have posted about guns in Texas and rural areas instead???

[margaretmattson]

Thanks to those who responded to my post in an understanding way. For those of you who question the troubles I have experienced, look for flaws in my sentences, and try to lessen my experiences, I will, again, try to explain. I know some will respond in the negative and have the right to do so. This is America. We all have the right to speak our minds. It is ridiculous that anyone would believe otherwise.

There are 10 rentals on my street. One next door to me, 3 on the same side, 4 across, and 2 further down. During the winter months, these homes are usually rented for 3 months. Some of the renters are friendly. They see knocking on my door as an opportunity to ask me questions, give recommendations, provide them with directions, and even ask to borrow things. When I am on my driveway or walking my dog, they come up beside me asking question after question. I am not the Village information Center! These renters slow me down from my schedule. They are trying to act friendly but what they really want is information.

These long term renters are prone to have guests staying with them for one, two, or three weeks. Some stay for the entire 3 months. Why not? They have an extra 2 bedrooms. Let's take the opportunity to invite family and friends! These extra cars block the streets and driveways. More trash is on the street and instead of one pet, the home now has two.

They leave the home and go to Disney or the beach and leave their pets barking. And, some are not aware that their voices are loud. I can hear every single word they say when they are on the lanai. Some of their discussions are meant to be private. But, they have no problem airing out their dirty laundry.

When the owner of the property is not available, they want me to fix their problem. I tell them to call the owner, but they say they have tried with no response.

I can go on, but my previous posts explain more of their antics. For those of you who believe I am overvexaggersting, how many days would you find this behavior acceptable? Yeah! I thought so!

During the summer months, the rentals are often occupied by families, younger people, and those who want to have a good time. Children are left unattended on the streets, whine and cry, and are prone to run around the yard, screaming at the top of their lungs. There are more parties, and there are more drunks. Singing on the lanai, howling at the moon, peeing on my lawn, screaming, arguing, nudity etc. You read about these people in the news. Why then, would you think I am exxagerating? But, I get it! Not my neighborhood; not my problem.

An investor coming up to a permanent resident and asking to let him know if there are problems, is not being neighborly. He only wants affirmation that what he is doing is not a problem. In my experience, they never take care of the issue when you tell them of one. They are only interested in their profits!

Again, I understand some of you will respond in the negative. Your responses affirm what I already know. There are greedy people in this world who could care less about the problems they are causing. And, people who cannot believe these things are happening so close to them. Why would I believe anything less? I am not surprised to find some of these people on this forum. I forgot to mention some STR owners are corporate and some live out of state.They rarely visit their rentals and run their business online. They are not available to help their renters or to fix problems they may have. They have no idea what the renters are doing in the rental property and could care less. They have received payment and that is their only concern.

[Cybersprings]

it has also been my experience that the Vast majority of Villagers are against STRS. A tiny few on this thread are opposed. They are entitled to their opinion. For all of you who are against STRS, keep posting. It will help readers understand the problems we are having in our areas. Many will be intelligent enough to recognize the problem can come to their areas. No one wants the Villages to become a Motel Shantytown.

I agree with 90% of what you just wrote. If, as I assume, you typo'd and meant a tiny few are in support of STRs (you wrote opposed), then I would disagree with that statement. I am not saying that there are many rather than a few. I will ask for a third time. Please provide the numbers of the posts where there is a statement in support of STRs. there are 386 and counting posts. Surely you can find one post where someone stated that they support STRs and maybe even would like more of them. You will find many who said they have not had any problem with them - that is a statement of fact about their experience, not support. You will find many that question (the proverbial) you about the accuracy of a statement you made, and some that offered facts to dispute assertions people made. But surely, all of you who are against STRs can as a group find a single post in over 300 where someone said I support STRs or words to that effect.

[Velvet]

Since I am one of the few on here who has not jumped on the bandwagon with both feet, and you are not comfortable stating that you believe I am an STR owner and I am one who passionately supports STRs, I will just assume it was directed at me and a couple of others.

1. I am not nor have I ever been a STR owner.
2. I am not passionately or to any lesser degree a supporter of short term rentals. This issue is not really even on my radar for important things in my life. I have stated in one of my posts that I am ambivalent on STRs. I recognized that people are having issues with them and I think that those things are wrong and I sympathize them, but I listed that my sister has been an STR renter once a year and is as conscientious as any owner, and I would hate for her to lose that opportunity.
3. If you look at my posts across multipe threads [I know, why would anyone even take the time to do that when there are so many more worthwhile things to do with your time, but if you (general you, not you specifically) are going to impugn people with the title of bully, STR owner, or anything else, you should probably base it on reality], you will see a common theme:

1. I am (passionately) against blanket statements that malign or undermine an entire profession based upon a small body of personal experience
2. I am (passionately) against people stating that because they are a supposed or actual expert on a topic, no on should question them on any remotely related topic
3. I am (extremely passionately in some cases, but not at all with STRs) against preventing anyone from owning/possessing things especially those protected by the constitution or using them in certain ways, because some other people use them illegally or extremely inconsiderately.
4. I am against people stating as fact that which is not fact
5. I am against people advocating a position by greatly exaggerating the frequency of the problem.
6. I am against people attributing statements, positions, feeling, etc to someone without any actual basis, and then attacking or criticizing them for that made up attribution.
7. I don't pick on spelling or grammar.

I am open to listen to anyone who is for any of those things that I am against. I willingly admit when I am wrong, but that doesn't happen often because I try to state as opinion that which is opinion, I try not to exaggerate the truth, I actually read the post to which I am responding and do not attribute things that weren't stated or clearly implied.

So, I don't take any offense to posts that impugn me because I know that it is not based on me being wrong, me being "mean", or whatever accusation. And I do not apologise for being against any of the things I listed. Please "come clean" if you are for any of them. And feel free to find any post that something I said was not correct (and haven't already admitted to that). I am more than willing to take what I dish out.

So, if I am reading your post correctly, in order that your sister can rent once a year, you advocate that every resident in TV potentially suffer the STR problems they have so ONE person (your sister) may not be inconvenienced?

If you are not an owner, not a resident, not event a renter, than all your arguments are hypothetical based on ideals much like the concept of communism sounds good in theory but Communism in real practice is more than a nightmare.

[Cybersprings]

I forgot to mention some STR owners are corporate and some live out of state.They rarely visit their rentals and run their business online. They are not available to help their renters or to fix problems they may have. They have no idea what the renters are doing in the rental property and could care less. They have received payment and that is their only concern.

I don't like those people either.

[Cybersprings]

So, if I am reading your post correctly, in order that your sister can rent once a year, you advocate that every resident in TV potentially suffer the STR problems they have so ONE person (your sister) may not be inconvenienced?

If you are not an owner, not a resident, not event a renter, than all your arguments are hypothetical based on ideals much like the concept of communism sound good in writing but Communism in real practice is more than a nightmare.

All I can say is you weren't even close to reading correctly. I am an owner. I am a resident. I have never rented out my home for one minute. I have only owned that one home in the villages for 8 years.
Please try again on reading my posts. I have made all of this very clear. MM take a look at this post to which I am responding and see why I posted I am against people attributing things to people that are false and then arguing with them on that premise, and how it can relate to a thread on STRs or any other topic.

[Velvet]

All I can say is you weren't even close to reading correctly. I am an owner. I am a resident. I have never rented out my home for one minute. I have only owned that one home in the villages for 8 years.
Please try again on reading my posts. I have made all of this very clear. MM take a look at this post to which I am responding and see why I posted I am against people attributing things to people that are false and then arguing with them on that premise, and how it can relate to a thread on STRs or any other topic.

I must have missed where you noted you were an owner and a resident. I appreciate you clarifying.

However, I think you can hear the pain and suffering many residents have expressed and most of them are not even on this forum. I hope you chose not to ignore it.

[Cybersprings]

Thank you for explaining in detail your beliefs, things that you stand for, and things you are against. Quick question. What does your post have to do with STRS?

Can I ask why, when R55 posts right before you letting us know that he reread 370 posts and wants to know who the owner of the TOTV is, you didn't ask him the same question? is it because he tells you how kind and thoughtful you are?

[margaretmattson]

Can I ask why, when R55 posts right before you letting us know that he reread 370 posts and wants to know who the owner of the TOTV is, you didn't ask him the same question? is it because he tells you how kind and thoughtful you are?I read that post. It was in response to hired guns. Perhaps he thinks they work for TOTV? Anyways, you have your wish. I now posted a question for R55.

[Cybersprings]

I must have missed where you noted you were an owner and a resident. I appreciate you clarifying.

However, I think you can hear the pain and suffering many residents have expressed and most of them are not even on this forum. I hope you chose not to ignore it.

Excellent post. SERIOUSLY, I mean it.

I do hear the pain and suffering many residents have expressed.
I do realize there are many others who have experienced this and possibly worse.
That is why I said I am ambivalent. My only personal direct knowledge/experience is positive with them. But I hear and sympathize with the posts in this thread and others. That is why, with only (very limited) positive experience with them, I am conflicted rather than in support.
I would like to say that I won't choose to ignore it, but it is unlikely that I will take action on either side, and I think that could easily be construed as ignoring it.

I think what colors my responses to this topic is really strong feelings/reactions on another topic (which is waaayy off topic) where I also think people are overestimating the scale and recomending banning rather than addressing the true problem.

I do strongly support the bill that died this year where the owners are penalized (not like jail, but other things) for the transgressions of their renters. That, in my mind addresses (or at least targets) the real issue. I don't think renters are a problem, I think problem renters and problem landlords are the problem, and THAT is what should be fixed. I would also support not allowing renting to people under a certain age, or they must at least have one of us old folks with them, since I think that is what the Villages is advertised to be and many bought into. I know many hotels won't rent to adults under a certain age.

[Cybersprings]

I read that post. It was in response to hired guns. Perhaps he thinks they work for TOTV? Anyways, you have your wish. I now posted a question for R55.

lol. It was really a rhetorical question. Thanks for paying the least bit of attention to that post. I wouldn't have if I were you.

[JMintzer]

Not great math. The post was Texas AND RURAL AREAS in the USA have more guns by far! Most guns are not registered in these areas. But, go ahead! Be a GOOGLE FANATIC because you probably have NEVER BEEN to these places. If you are going to be a Google fanatic, then look up the correct statistic. Are RURAL AREAS home to the most guns? Does Texas have a lot of RURAL AREAS?

And please, don't kid yourself that all guns are registered. One should add a percentage for that. I've been to these places. I suggest you add a large percentage for not registered. (Think about the number of hunters.)

Go ahead! Blame me for responding to a poster who started the gun owner talk. INSTEAD of the poster who started it. He stated the Villages is among the highest population of gun owners in the USA. And, we can use those guns to shoot abusers. My response was there are more gun owners in Texas and Rural areas in the USA, we don't need to settle things on our own in the Villages. But, you know what? Join the poster's vigilante group. We have nothing better to do here in the Villages.

Once again, not a single gun in Texas (rural or otherwise) is registered. Texas does not have a gun registry...

[BrianL99]

People on this thread don't seem to want to deal with the facts.

The land in The Villages is subject to the underlying zoning of the town/county it's located in. The CDD's don't have zoning power, nor can the CDD's ban STR's, pursuant to Florida Law.

The only possible way to significantly change the STR situation in TV that I can think of, is to get a Judge to rule that either the underlying zoning prohibits them and did prior to 2011, or the "business use" language in the Deed Restrictions prohibits them.


Nearly 400 posts and I'm still waiting for someone to suggest a solution.

"They should do something about it". Who's they?

"Regulations should be adopted". By whom? Under what authority?

"The State will step in and fix it". Oh really? The "state" (as in Legislature) has proven year after year, they are in favor of allowing STR's.

"I'm not going to vote for a County Commissioner, unless he agrees to stop STR's". Well, unfortunately, the County is prohibited by state law, from outlawing STR's or even implementing a law that requires rentals to be any specific length.

"The CDD has to protect us". How? CDD's have NO Zoning Power, nor do they have any power to regulate occupancy of a home. They control Infrastructure & amenities.

"The Developer has to prohibit STR's". Even if he did prohibit STR's in newer sections of TV, how does that help anyone who already owns a home?

"The Developer should ban STR's in all The Villages". How? Why would he? What's he have to gain by trying to do that? The Developer doesn't care if existing homeowners are unhappy, it doesn't hurt him.

I'm hearing a whole lot of railing against STR's, but no substantive suggestions how to change anything ... just a lot of wishful thinking and nonsensical statements.

If anyone really wants to do something about STR's, I doubt complaining on TOTV is going to be productive. Put your big boy pants on and put your money when your keyboard is ... file a lawsuit, it's the American way.

I'll wait ....

[Normal]

[/I]

Nearly 400 posts and I'm still waiting for someone to suggest a solution.

"They should do something about it". Who's they?

"Regulations should be adopted". By whom? Under what authority?

"I'm not going to vote for a County Commissioner, unless he agrees to stop STR's".
..

Local authorities have legal authority to write regulations for rentals. Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals.

They certainly pass laws for taxes, require landlords to be present when guests occupy their premises and restrict uses of amenities.

[Kelevision]

All Florida beachfront properties too! No rentals under 30 days.

[Bill14564]

All Florida beachfront properties too! No rentals under 30 days.

Easy to check. Weekly rentals for next week in Indian Rocks Beach, Florida are available through airbnb.

[BrianL99]

Local authorities have legal authority to write regulations for rentals. Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals.

They certainly pass laws for taxes, require landlords to be present when guests occupy their premises and restrict uses of amenities.


There you go, with the amorphous "they". Who?

The CDD's control amenities. What are "they" going to do? Say people who are renting for less than 30 days can't go to the pool? That'll work well.

"They" who pass laws for taxes? "They" being the County? They don't have any involvement with the amenities.

"They" being the State of Florida? They've already emphatically demonstrated where they stand on STR's.

"They" can require a landlord be present? Show me just ONE city/town/county in Florida who has done that, other than one of the 75 "Grandfathered" jurisdictions. If it's been done in Florida, I certainly haven't been able to find any evidence of it.

& I can't wait to hear what possibly motivation "they" may have, to jump into this quagmire, which so far, seems to be nothing more than a few Villages complaining about transient neighbors they don't like.

Have you called "they" and asked them when they're going to fix this issue for you?

[Normal]

There you go, with the amorphous "they". Who?

The CDD's control amenities. What are "they" going to do? Say people who are renting for less than 30 days can't go to the pool? That'll work well.

"They" who pass laws for taxes? "They" being the County? They don't have any involvement with the amenities.

"They" being the State of Florida? They've already emphatically demonstrated where they stand on STR's.

"They" can require a landlord be present? Show me just ONE city/town/county in Florida who has done that, other than one of the 75 "Grandfathered" jurisdictions. If it's been done in Florida, I certainly haven't been able to find any evidence of it.

You conflated everything and seem non cognizant of the overall view. Yes, the pronoun usage of “they” is overdone. The application of the law can be addressed.

Anyone who says nothing can be done is a flat out liar.

A lot can be done at different levels of government.

Sumter county can administer taxes and fines as it pleases.

CDDs can restrict usage of amenities whenever they want if a guest isn’t paying those fees.

And do note, the 2011 law says terms can’t be regulated, but it does go on to approve local governing bodies to regulate for the public good. Maybe people believe landlords should be present if they have “guests” for the good of public safety and control.

“Hosted rentals” are becoming an obvious fix for many. Rent till your heart’s content, but be responsible for the guests you invite in.

In 2011, cities were banned from adopting new short-term rental regulations. Due to strong opposition, however, a revision passed in 2014 placing the power back in the hands of local lawmakers so long as there was no attempt to completely ban vacation rental properties or impose limits on how often they could be rented out to guests or for how long.

Some continue to cite the 2011 law and omit the newer 2014 law that gave communities some power again.

[BrianL99]

You conflated everything and seem non cognizant of the overall view. Yes, the pronoun usage of “they” is overdone. The application of the law can be addressed.

Anyone who says nothing can be done is a flat out liar.

A lot can be done at different levels of government.

Sumter county can administer taxes and fines as it pleases.

CDDs can restrict usage of amenities whenever they want if a guest isn’t paying those fees.

And do note, the 2011 law says terms can’t be regulated, but it does go on to approve local governing bodies to regulate for the public good. Maybe people believe landlords should be present if they have “guests” for the good of public safety and control.


"Administer taxes and fines"? Sumter County gets paid all their taxes, I'm sure. Fines? What are the going to assess "fines" for? Because someone put their trash out, a day early? Because they were playing loud music or dressed improperly? What regulations are they going to adopt & then fine folks, for violating?

Sure. the CDD can restrict access ... but who's not paying their fees? You pay your fees, you get to play.

I'm sure a lot of folks would like to see a regulation that says "landlords must be present". Everyone thinks that's a cute, back door approach to eliminating STR's. There is at least 1/2 BILLION dollars worth of STR's in TV. Presumably, all those STR owners are making profits from those 1000 rentals. If each STR owner (to protect their investment) contributes $500, that's 1/2 million dollars to fight the little ol' Sumter County. Do you think the STR owners are going to sit still and accept ridiculous regulations?

Do you really think Sumter County cares about a few disgruntled owners in TV? With the amount of tax revenue Sumter gets from TV, they're not going to rock the boat, what do they have to gain?

I get the general premise. As I've said before, I don't think STR's should be allowed in a Residential Zoning District, but that horse has left the barn.

The town I live in NH, is going through this exact issue and I've been heavily involved in trying to prevent the proliferation of STR's. Like the grandfathered counties in FL, our local zoning would appear to prohibit STR's in the Residential District. Despite the town's apparently ability to stop STR's, they have chosen to "regulate" them. By making that choice, they have acquiesced to the real estate & business lobby and the community will become 30% "investor owned rental properties", within the next 10 years. I can tell you, it's great for real estate values, but the community will never be the same.

[golfing eagles]

"Administer taxes and fines"? Sumter County gets paid all their taxes, I'm sure. Fines? What are the going to assess "fines" for? Because someone put their trash out, a day early? Because they were playing loud music or dressed improperly? What regulations are they going to adopt & then fine folks, for violating?

Sure. the CDD can restrict access ... but who's not paying their fees? You pay your fees, you get to play.

I'm sure a lot of folks would like to see a regulation that says "landlords must be present". Everyone thinks that's a cute, back door approach to eliminating STR's. There is at least 1/2 BILLION dollars worth of STR's in TV. Presumably, all those STR owners are making profits from those 1000 rentals. If each STR owner (to protect their investment) contributes $500, that's 1/2 million dollars to fight the little ol' Sumter County. Do you think the STR owners are going to sit still and accept ridiculous regulations?

Do you really think Sumter County cares about a few disgruntled owners in TV? With the amount of tax revenue Sumter gets from TV, they're not going to rock the boat, what do they have to gain?

I get the general premise. As I've said before, I don't think STR's should be allowed in a Residential Zoning District, but that horse has left the barn.

The town I live in NH, is going through this exact issue and I've been heavily involved in trying to prevent the proliferation of STR's. Like the grandfathered counties in FL, our local zoning would appear to prohibit STR's in the Residential District. Despite the town's apparently ability to stop STR's, they have chosen to "regulate" them. By making that choice, they have acquiesced to the real estate & business lobby and the community will become 30% "investor owned rental properties", within the next 10 years. I can tell you, it's great for real estate values, but the community will never be the same.

The regulation is only "ridiculous" if you are an owner of a STR. If you are a neighbor, not so much.

[BrianL99]

The regulation is only "ridiculous" if you are an owner of a STR. If you are a neighbor, not so much.

So it's ok to turn your home in a "Rooming House", with 3 separate and distinct, un-related people, renting bedrooms by the night ... but you can't rent out your entire home?

I'm not sure that's an improvement on the situation that so many seem to be complaining about.

I know exactly how I'd handle that one. I'd buy the house in the name of a Corporation or Trust, pay someone with "free lodging" to "manage" things ... & make more money, because (3) single rooms will bring in more revenue than renting the house as a whole. & of course, all occupants will have cars or golf carts and a place to park them.

How does that solution work for you? Are you about to call your local Rep & Senator, to put that bill forth, in the Legislature's next session?

Next potential solution, please ?

[BrianL99]

From a post on another thread:

You still don't get it. You are under the same delusion as many----that somehow "googling" something is the equivalent of 11 years of medical education and 40 years of experience. Heck, why bother having doctors at all---everyone can just "google" their problem.

Let's try this another way: I want to know about string theory so I google it. I could read several theoretical physics journals on the subject, but I probably wouldn't understand a word they were writing. So I have to go to a site or a journal that "dumbs it down" for me, but of course a lot gets lost in the translation. So now I know they postulate 27 spatial and 2 temporal dimensions on a "string" the length of Planck's constant. So now I have an understanding equal to Stephen Hawkins? And worse, I think I can get in a debate with Hawkins with my new found "knowledge"

Why is my "opinion" more correct----first of all, it is not "an opinion" it is a factual knowledge base and an understanding of how things work---and you don't understand those things from a google search. And my experience is not better than "everyone" else's, there are physicians who know more than I do. But there are few if any amateurs that qualify.

You seem fairly intelligent, so why are you being so obtuse when you have to know I'm right?

I love this post!! I've only been here a couple of years, but I think it's my all time favorite!

All that medical experience, I'm sure you know a 1000 times more than me about medicine. I'd never even consider commenting on a legitimate medical question. I'm not qualified and as you say, what I could learn from Google, would be just enough to mke me dangerous.

All that experience you have with Medicine? I have with Land Use, Zoning, and real estate in general.

... but you can keep on using Google to debate and question things I've posted on this subject.

[golfing eagles]

So it's ok to turn your home in a "Rooming House", with 3 separate and distinct, un-related people, renting bedrooms by the night ... but you can't rent out your entire home?

I'm not sure that's an improvement on the situation that so many seem to be complaining about.

I know exactly how I'd handle that one. I'd buy the house in the name of a Corporation or Trust, pay someone with "free lodging" to "manage" things ... & make more money, because (3) single rooms will bring in more revenue than renting the house as a whole. & of course, all occupants will have cars or golf carts and a place to park them.

How does that solution work for you? Are you about to call your local Rep & Senator, to put that bill forth, in the Legislature's next session?

Next potential solution, please ?

That would be just fine because if it were up to me, I'd introduce criminal charges for those who try to circumvent this law. So feel free to set up your shell game and dummy corporations, so you can try to make a profit at the expense of a peaceful neighborhood.

[BrianL99]

That would be just fine because if it were up to me, I'd introduce criminal charges for those who try to circumvent this law. So feel free to set up your shell game and dummy corporations, so you can try to make a profit at the expense of a peaceful neighborhood.

Thank you for proving my point. I appreciate it.

[golfing eagles]

Thank you for proving my point. I appreciate it.

I'm sorry , I seem to be missing your point.

Have I misinterpreted those posts to suggest you are in favor of STRs when you are not?

Am I wrong in suggesting that it is just possible you own STRs?

Did I wrongly infer that you would attempt to circumvent restrictions on STRs

Please, elucidate us, what is your point?

[manaboutown]

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[tophcfa]

So it's ok to turn your home in a "Rooming House", with 3 separate and distinct, un-related people, renting bedrooms by the night ... but you can't rent out your entire home?

I'm not sure that's an improvement on the situation that so many seem to be complaining about.

I know exactly how I'd handle that one. I'd buy the house in the name of a Corporation or Trust, pay someone with "free lodging" to "manage" things ... & make more money, because (3) single rooms will bring in more revenue than renting the house as a whole. & of course, all occupants will have cars or golf carts and a place to park them.

How does that solution work for you? Are you about to call your local Rep & Senator, to put that bill forth, in the Legislature's next session?

Next potential solution, please ?

Most people are suggesting solutions to a very real and significant problem. A small few are searching long and hard for reasons to shoot down every possible solution. A reasonable person can easily draw the obvious conclusion that those people ARE THE PROBLEM.

[BrianL99]

I'm sorry , I seem to be missing your point.

Have I misinterpreted those posts to suggest you are in favor of STRs when you are not?

Am I wrong in suggesting that it is just possible you own STRs?

Did I wrongly infer that you would attempt to circumvent restrictions on STRs

Please, elucidate us, what is your point?

I do not own any STR's. I do not support STR's. I believe they de-stabilize neighborhoods and should be prohibited in Residentially zoned areas.

What I personally like and believe, if irrelevant to the discussion. They are in fact a reality in TV and elsewhere. Legislatures and Courts all over the United States, have supported STR's and have almost universally ruled in favor of them. That's the reality. Not what I'd like to see, but it is what it is.

Personally, I think the problem in TV is vastly over-stated. Not only do I believe it's over-stated, I think it was naive of anyone to buy a home in TV and not anticipate it would become a haven for Investors (I can understand not anticipating STR's, as they essentially didn't exist 10 years ago.)

From what I've learned on this thread, there are apparently only about 1000 TV homes, in STR service? That's not a "general problem", it's a localized problem for the folks who live near the poorly managed ones.

If there are 1000 STR's in TV, at least 1/2 of them must be reasonably well managed. In theory, most investors are professionals.

STR's in TV probably average about 50% occupancy. Higher in the winter, lower in the summer.

So now we have 500 "poorly managed STR's", that are vacant 50% of the time. At worst, we have 6-8 homes effected by each "poorly managed" STR ... & only 1/2 the time.

About 3% of the population of TV, has the possibility of being effected ... and only once in a while.

If you're one of the 3%, it's a pain. A lot like having a bad neighbor, but now you get to use a label and have a target.

I just don't see it as a huge problem. The #'s don't support that conclusion.

If 10% of TV was in STR usage, that might be a different story from a livability point of view, but still the same regulatory problem ... there's not much that can done about it.

[BrianL99]

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Personally, I think the problem in TV is vastly over-stated.
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From what I've learned on this thread, there are apparently only about 1000 TV homes, in STR service? That's not a "general problem", it's a localized problem for the folks who live near the poorly managed ones.

If there are 1000 STR's in TV, at least 1/2 of them must be reasonably well managed. In theory, most investors are professionals.


I just don't see it as a huge problem. The #'s don't support that conclusion.

If 10% of TV was in STR usage, that might be a different story from a livability point of view, but still the same regulatory problem ... there's not much that can done about it.

This place is turning into AIRBNB Village.
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Here are ALL the homes available for Short Term Rental on AirBnB, for the dates indicated.

I guess the #'s posted in this thread, weren't very accurate. The most units available, in a myriad of random dates, was 102 out of how many? About 70,000 homes in TV?

Obvioiusly, this doesn't show rentals that are already booked, but the dates are random and always in the "middle of a week" (no weekends).

AirBnB represents about 30% of ALL vacation rentals across the USA (including hotels, motels, etc.). In the "rent a home" portion of that market, AirBnb represents somewhere around 60%-70%.

[Marathon Man]

Lots of strong opinions here. How many of you are willing to turn those opinions into some kind of action?

[BrianL99]

Lots of strong opinions here. How many of you are willing to turn those opinions into some kind of action?

I've said this repeatedly. If someone would like to start a GoFundMe page or the like, to raise money to launch a credible challenge to STR's in TV, I'll be the first to write a check.

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I've said this repeatedly. If someone would like to start a GoFundMe page or the like, to raise money to launch a credible challenge to STR's in TV, I'll be the first to write a check.

Fort Pierce Florida in 2021 saw a growing problem with STRs. They passed their first law curtailing the problem and addressing community needs by mandating “hosted” rentals. Since it’s passage, they have permitted someone other than the owner host if they were at the rental premises full time.

[BrianL99]

Fort Pierce Florida in 2021 saw a growing problem with STRs. They passed their first law curtailing the problem and addressing community needs by mandating “hosted” rentals. Since it’s passage, they have permitted someone other than the owner host if they were at the rental premises full time.

See my post here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2257563-post199.html

I believe that may be incorrect.

I believe the requirement is the "Host" must live in the COUNTY, not necessarily at the rented property, nor be present at the property. (I haven't yet taken the time to re-read the ordinance to see if I missed something.)

Also, the St. Pierce ordinance only addresses rentals for 30 days or more. Again, I haven't read St. Pierce Zoning Regulations in their entirety, but it appears that Ft. Pierce may have been grandfathered, as the newest Ordinance does not address true short term rentals (under 30 days).

Here is the Ordinance: https://stlucievillagefl.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Fort-Pierce-21-019.pdf

[BrianL99]

See my post here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2257563-post199.html

I believe that may be incorrect.

I believe the requirement is the "Host" must live in the COUNTY, not necessarily at the rented property, nor be present at the property. (I haven't yet taken the time to re-read the ordinance to see if I missed something.)

Also, the St. Pierce ordinance only addresses rentals for 1 month or more. Again, I haven't read St. Pierce Zoning Regulations in their entirety, but it appears that Ft. Pierce may have been grandfathered, as the newest Ordinance does not address true short term rentals (under 30 days). It appears from first glance, that rentals of less than 1 month, have already been prohibited by Ft. Pierce (which would mean they were grandfathered).

Here is the Ordinance: https://stlucievillagefl.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Fort-Pierce-21-019.pdf. Note that it defines "Short Term Rentals" as rental for a period of 1 month or more.

[Bill14564]

Fort Pierce Florida in 2021 saw a growing problem with STRs. They passed their first law curtailing the problem and addressing community needs by mandating “hosted” rentals. Since it’s passage, they have permitted someone other than the owner host if they were at the rental premises full time.

See my post here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2257563-post199.html

I believe that may be incorrect.

I believe the requirement is the "Host" must live in the COUNTY, not necessarily at the rented property, nor be present at the property. (I haven't yet taken the time to re-read the ordinance to see if I missed something.)

Also, the St. Pierce ordinance only addresses rentals for 30 days or more. Again, I haven't read St. Pierce Zoning Regulations in their entirety, but it appears that Ft. Pierce may have been grandfathered, as the newest Ordinance does not address true short term rentals (under 30 days).

Here is the Ordinance: https://stlucievillagefl.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Fort-Pierce-21-019.pdf

This regulation does not require hosting. The requirement is in Section 22-509.2 that the responsible person shall officially reside in dwelling unit located within St. Lucie County.

The ordinance defines Vacation Rentals as any unit that is also a transient public lodging establishment but is not a timeshare and defines Short Term Rentals as greater than on month but less than six months.

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This regulation does not require hosting. The requirement is in Section 22-509.2 that the responsible person shall officially reside in dwelling unit located within St. Lucie County.

The ordinance defines Vacation Rentals as any unit that is also a transient public lodging establishment but is not a timeshare and defines Short Term Rentals as greater than on month but less than six months.

The 2002 amendment changed things up.

But still true is the fact these were all made without grandfathering

[Bill14564]

The 2002 amendment changed things up.

But still true is the fact these were all made without grandfathering

I assume you mean the 2022 amendment. The only information I can find from 2022 clarifies the 2021 ordinance and still does not require hosting.

These do not prohibit vacation rentals or dictate the duration or frequency of those rentals so they do not require grandfathering.