Villages Adjacent to Coleman

[jeffc1965]

We are looking to build around the Eastport area. Having learned recently that the Village of Well Point is likely to be the next area developed after Moultrie Creek, we are excited since it should be a reasonable golf cart ride to Brownwood/Sawgrass/Ednas/Fenney. I am not necessarily concerned about safety, but what should we be concerned about considering the area is adjacent to Coleman?

[Papa_lecki]

Nothing to worry bout , living next to a max security federal prison, housing terrorist and other high security inmates.

[Randall55]

We are looking to build around the Eastport area. Having learned recently that the Village of Well Point is likely to be the next area developed after Moultrie Creek, we are excited since it should be a reasonable golf cart ride to Brownwood/Sawgrass/Ednas/Fenney. I am not necessarily concerned about safety, but what should we be concerned about considering the area is adjacent to Coleman?If you are thinking about buying in that area, I highly recommend that you scout it out, FIRST. In the morning, there is school traffic (3 schools) that can block the roadways. The Marchiing Band practices outside and you can hear it for miles. During games or events, the stadium gets full bringing endless traffic and more noise. Downtown Middleton is just a stone's throw away. I have been told there will be nightly music like our squares. Again, this brings more traffic and noise. It is probably best to wait until other villages in the Eastport area are available. We were going to build in Moultrie Creek. After seeing the traffic and hearing the noise, we have decided to wait.

[asianthree]

For years the old HS, had games, bands, and lights from the field. Yet rarely did residents complain about the sounds, or the lights. Why because for years TV residents packed the bleachers cheering home teams. Even if they had zero grandchildren playing. Bands practiced, kids played, we have zero issues with being near schools, or downtown Middleton. It’s not like traffic is 24/7 like a big city, both our boys (St Paul, Louisville) will actually walk instead of driving the traffic). Both went to Middleton sat watching drop offs, bands, practices, enjoyed just being around normal life, and not a bunch of very unhappy grumpy retired people who want zero noise.

I am in Richmond, can still hear the train whistle and wheels couple times a day, but especially at night. Funny I could hear same noise in Caroline (could hear certain bands, Pennacamp, Fernandina.

I am amazed that so many people came from areas that didn’t have traffic, must be why many are so upset with the amount of cars that “Get in their Way”, on the way to grocery, appointments and such.

We lived in an area with farms, lots of lakes, retail and grocery was 1/2 hour away.

Yet my 6.8 mile trek to work could take 11 minutes (emergency call 3am) , or during rush hour up to 45 minutes.

We sat outside on our lot in Richmond (4 streets away from turnpike noise, prior to homes built, we can hear humming of tires, close to the same as BV, but 90% less than backing up to any street in TV.

So before you buy take couple lawn chairs and just sit, if children, music, cars, or cart noise bothers you. Pick something else. Best thing about TV, you can buy, sell, move easily, and make a profit. Average move was 2.5 times, but could be more. We are on our fourth house, have many friends who move every couple years, just to be in the new area.

As far as the Coleman, one does realize prisons are all over the country, yet people live near them, drive by them (sign “don’t pick up hitchhikers), and work at them. Again if you fear being anywhere near where people are behind bars, and a fence, look elsewhere. My guess is if they breakout they will go as fast as they can, heading far away from the fence. Then maybe travel far north TV to grab clothes, and transport. But just my thoughts

[Normal]

I would be more concerned about the cement factory view. If you buy, make sure the rear of your lot doesn’t have that view and it directly faces east.

[asianthree]

I would be more concerned about the cement factory view. If you buy, make sure the rear of your lot doesn’t have that view and it directly faces east.

Would that be the same for water towers, power lines, turnpike view, bridges, back of retail, fire stations, hospitals, free standing EDs (because they use sirens more than the prison).

We have a dying live oak behind our house, maybe we should have rotated the house :shrug: east

[Normal]

Would that be the same for water towers, power lines, turnpike view, bridges, back of retail, fire stations, hospitals, free standing EDs (because they use sirens more than the prison).

We have a dying live oak behind our house, maybe we should have rotated the house :shrug: east

Eastward facing lanais are significantly beneficial. After all, you are “living” in the home environment day in and day out.

[asianthree]

Eastward facing lanais are significantly beneficial. After all, you are “living” in the home environment day in and day out.

Sorry thought it was referring to the concrete tower.

Out of four homes in TV not one lanai faced east, one south great in the winter, not here for summer’s, one north, on the cool side, one southwest which was really good because of the view. This house is northeast, Sucks for pool in the winter, summer doesn’t matter.

[Altavia]

We are looking to build around the Eastport area. Having learned recently that the Village of Well Point is likely to be the next area developed after Moultrie Creek, we are excited since it should be a reasonable golf cart ride to Brownwood/Sawgrass/Ednas/Fenney. I am not necessarily concerned about safety, but what should we be concerned about considering the area is adjacent to Coleman?

Ignore the crybaby's. Coleman is surrounded by a forest on the east side. It's quieter and safer than a National Park.

If near Marsh Bend Trail, you may see lights over the trees at night, no different than from any parking area.

Wellpoint is just south of Monarch Grove, more than two miles away from Middleton so no issues with noise there.

This area north of Eastport is a prime location and will be in very high demand. Similar to being close to Sumter Landing. It's within two miles of Magnolia Plaza, Sawgrass, Eastport, Middleton and near multiple new golf courses.

Once Bexeley and Corbin Trail are open (soon), there will be quick, easy access to Sawgrass and the Turnpike. Most of 470 and the Eastport/Middleton area can be avoided during school traffic hour.

The maps at this link might be helpful.

William Vayens Maps (https://www.goldwingnut.com/villages-map)

[margaretmattson]

Ignore the crybaby's. Coleman is surrounded by a forest on the east side. It's quieter and safer than a National Park.

If near Marsh Bend Trail, you may see lights over the trees at night, no different than from any parking area.

Wellpoint is just south of Monarch Grove, more than two miles away from Middleton so no issues with noise there.

This area north of Eastport is a prime location and will be in very high demand. Similar to being close to Sumter Landing. It's within two miles of Magnolia Plaza, Sawgrass, Eastport, Middleton and near multiple new golf courses.

Once Bexeley and Corbin Trail are open (soon), there will be quick, easy access to Sawgrass and the Turnpike. Most of 470 and the Eastport/Middleton area can be avoided during school traffic hour.

The maps at this link might be helpful.

William Vayens Maps (https://www.goldwingnut.com/villages-map)More villages in Eastport will be built. No sense in buying RIGHT NOW if you can wait. I looked at the lots in Moultrie Creek and passed on building there. Check it out, yourself. As you have read, many are warning you that it is not a great spot to build a home. In a few months, lots in prime villages in Eastport will become available. I suggest that you wait. JMHO

[SIRE1]

And just remember, the Coleman Prison is the ultimate "Gated Community" !!!! :boxing2:

[Topspinmo]

Would that be the same for water towers, power lines, turnpike view, bridges, back of retail, fire stations, hospitals, free standing EDs (because they use sirens more than the prison).

We have a dying live oak behind our house, maybe we should have rotated the house :shrug: east

And rock quarries? :22yikes: o wait eventually the rock quarry will be water front property.:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[dhdallas]

We are looking to build around the Eastport area. Having learned recently that the Village of Well Point is likely to be the next area developed after Moultrie Creek, we are excited since it should be a reasonable golf cart ride to Brownwood/Sawgrass/Ednas/Fenney. I am not necessarily concerned about safety, but what should we be concerned about considering the area is adjacent to Coleman?

You just need to worry about all the criminals who are NOT locked up. The whole area surrounding TV seems to be a hotbed of drug abuse and all the crime that goes with it.

[Normal]

Be careful Jefc1965. If you consider buying near the cement factory off of Marshbend and 470/ Central Parkway visit the area. There are lots with their rear view facing directly north. Unbelievably, they have a price tag of about 99k. This is the same direction as Coleman prison and the cement factory. I’m not saying you can see the towers or not see them depending on the lot. Just be careful. If I was buying there, I would certainly visit the property for the full ambiance. Here is a shot off google maps. The circled area is the cement factory. Note Marshbend Trail and 470. The towers are very large and tall. IMHO quite ugly also. You can easily distinguish where the prison is.

[jacqueline larsen]

Coleman is expanding ever since Coleman Crossing was reborn!

[jrref]

What about the blasting at the quarry once a month? That alone would make me move somewhere else.

[merrymini]

I would not worry about prisoners escaping! I would be concerned with the nature of the businesses close to my home. If they blast, you will feel it. I lived near a high school field and they can be noisy, players, music, loudspeakers and cheering people. Not for me thanks.

[Justputt]

We are looking to build around the Eastport area. Having learned recently that the Village of Well Point is likely to be the next area developed after Moultrie Creek, we are excited since it should be a reasonable golf cart ride to Brownwood/Sawgrass/Ednas/Fenney. I am not necessarily concerned about safety, but what should we be concerned about considering the area is adjacent to Coleman?

I'm not big on being within eyesight of the High Security Prison. I assume the popularity of Eastport will drive prices higher, may have higher infrastructure bonds, etc. Visit in person, since we chose our location, changed floorplans, etc. after our Lifestyle visit. Seeing and experiencing in person is important. Go around the busier rec centers and assess the noise level, especially the pool and pickle ball areas. Lastly, pay attention to proximately to everything, since you may be in the center of what may become a rental area, and any peace and quiet may be lost if you are too close. Listen to those that are surrounded by renters.

[Regorp]

We are looking to build around the Eastport area. Having learned recently that the Village of Well Point is likely to be the next area developed after Moultrie Creek, we are excited since it should be a reasonable golf cart ride to Brownwood/Sawgrass/Ednas/Fenney. I am not necessarily concerned about safety, but what should we be concerned about considering the area is adjacent to Coleman?

Our son built his home in Middleton during phase 1 and has not complained about anything you are all complaining about. He loves being there and is an awesome area of TV to live.

[Bellavita]

Listening to the prison announcements.


We are looking to build around the Eastport area. Having learned recently that the Village of Well Point is likely to be the next area developed after Moultrie Creek, we are excited since it should be a reasonable golf cart ride to Brownwood/Sawgrass/Ednas/Fenney. I am not necessarily concerned about safety, but what should we be concerned about considering the area is adjacent to Coleman?

[PugMom]

For years the old HS, had games, bands, and lights from the field. Yet rarely did residents complain about the sounds, or the lights. Why because for years TV residents packed the bleachers cheering home teams. Even if they had zero grandchildren playing. Bands practiced, kids played, we have zero issues with being near schools, or downtown Middleton. It’s not like traffic is 24/7 like a big city, both our boys (St Paul, Louisville) will actually walk instead of driving the traffic). Both went to Middleton sat watching drop offs, bands, practices, enjoyed just being around normal life, and not a bunch of very unhappy grumpy retired people who want zero noise.

I am in Richmond, can still hear the train whistle and wheels couple times a day, but especially at night. Funny I could hear same noise in Caroline (could hear certain bands, Pennacamp, Fernandina.

I am amazed that so many people came from areas that didn’t have traffic, must be why many are so upset with the amount of cars that “Get in their Way”, on the way to grocery, appointments and such.

We lived in an area with farms, lots of lakes, retail and grocery was 1/2 hour away.

Yet my 6.8 mile trek to work could take 11 minutes (emergency call 3am) , or during rush hour up to 45 minutes.

We sat outside on our lot in Richmond (4 streets away from turnpike noise, prior to homes built, we can hear humming of tires, close to the same as BV, but 90% less than backing up to any street in TV.

So before you buy take couple lawn chairs and just sit, if children, music, cars, or cart noise bothers you. Pick something else. Best thing about TV, you can buy, sell, move easily, and make a profit. Average move was 2.5 times, but could be more. We are on our fourth house, have many friends who move every couple years, just to be in the new area.

As far as the Coleman, one does realize prisons are all over the country, yet people live near them, drive by them (sign “don’t pick up hitchhikers), and work at them. Again if you fear being anywhere near where people are behind bars, and a fence, look elsewhere. My guess is if they breakout they will go as fast as they can, heading far away from the fence. Then maybe travel far north TV to grab clothes, and transport. But just my thoughts

i agree-living near Coleman has neither made my life better or worse, it is what it is. what you said about escapees wanting to get as far away as possible brings to mind that george carlin skit he had. & one day maybe the inmates will get golf carts too! :pray:

[PugMom]

What about the blasting at the quarry once a month? That alone would make me move somewhere else.

it more or less sounds like firecrackers, in a series of 2 or 3, maybe twice a week

[PugMom]

I would not worry about prisoners escaping! I would be concerned with the nature of the businesses close to my home. If they blast, you will feel it. I lived near a high school field and they can be noisy, players, music, loudspeakers and cheering people. Not for me thanks.

i've never felt anything, & could only hear it when i was outside,..along with the rooster who lives on warm springs, lol

[Altavia]

Listening to the prison announcements.

How many years are left on your incarceration? ;)

[PugMom]

😁🤣🤣

[asianthree]

i've never felt anything, & could only hear it when i was outside,..along with the rooster who lives on warm springs, lol

We have a rooster too. Can’t figure out what direction it comes from but makes the day bright and early

[Pilgrim]

We were going to purchase in Moultrie Creek in early 2024 but we chose to go ahead and buy in Lake Denham (closed on 1 December). A few reasons for the change were cheaper Bond and house pricing and not wanting to live in a construction zone for several years. I agree with earlier posting that the area below Monarch Grove, the Wellpoint area will be prime and we were hoping that was where TV was going to start building but they chose to go further south. The area around Eastport and Moultrie Creek will be prime area, but not soon enough for us.

[Altavia]

We were going to purchase in Moultrie Creek in early 2024 but we chose to go ahead and buy in Lake Denham (closed on 1 December). A few reasons for the change were cheaper Bond and house pricing and not wanting to live in a construction zone for several years. I agree with earlier posting that the area below Monarch Grove, the Wellpoint area will be prime and we were hoping that was where TV was going to start building but they chose to go further south. The area around Eastport and Moultrie Creek will be prime area, but not soon enough for us.

Agree, however, Moultrie Creek would be a great location to purchase a rental property.

[Nana2Teddy]

We have a rooster too. Can’t figure out what direction it comes from but makes the day bright and early
Maybe the rooster is at that private property that’s in the middle of Richmond because the owner wouldn’t sell to the developer.

[asianthree]

We were going to purchase in Moultrie Creek in early 2024 but we chose to go ahead and buy in Lake Denham (closed on 1 December). A few reasons for the change were cheaper Bond and house pricing and not wanting to live in a construction zone for several years. I agree with earlier posting that the area below Monarch Grove, the Wellpoint area will be prime and we were hoping that was where TV was going to start building but they chose to go further south. The area around Eastport and Moultrie Creek will be prime area, but not soon enough for us.

If you are adventurous like some, one can always buy now, then enjoy for a year or two. When that special area comes into play move again. Any house in TV for us has zero attachment issues (didn’t raise kids in it and so on) so on we go.

This is #4 and while we say, it’s the last one…until something comes up that’s better.

[DrMack]

Nothing to worry bout , living next to a max security federal prison, housing terrorist and other high security inmates.

This is federal land? There was a prison that actually expanded where we used to live. We saw an electric company down in Citrus Grove that expanded on its land and made things unsightly in the area. We noticed it when we were driving in nearby Newell. The bottom line is, if someone else owns the adjacent property, expect the unexpected.

[Pilgrim]

If you are adventurous like some, one can always buy now, then enjoy for a year or two. When that special area comes into play move again. Any house in TV for us has zero attachment issues (didn’t raise kids in it and so on) so on we go.

This is #4 and while we say, it’s the last one…until something comes up that’s better.

Wow, four houses in TV! I can appreciate your rationale, but we have approached moving here a bit different. With 27.5 years active duty Army we have packed, moved and unpacked more times than I can remember, and the thought of multiple moves in TV in retirement is not appealing in the least. I'm not saying it won't happen but we have tried to sweat the details to hopefully avoid it. Glad that the adventure for you is going well but my moving adventure meter has been redlined for some time!

[Randall55]

Wow, four houses in TV! I can appreciate your rationale, but we have approached moving here a bit different. With 27.5 years active duty Army we have packed, moved and unpacked more times than I can remember, and the thought of multiple moves in TV in retirement is not appealing in the least. I'm not saying it won't happen but we have tried to sweat the details to hopefully avoid it. Glad that the adventure for you is going well but my moving adventure meter has been redlined for some time!We sold our home in the Villages. We are currently renting until we find a good lot to build. If you are in a hurry to start your Villages lifestyle, renting is a good option. You will be able to scout the area before committing to build. Take the warnings the posters have given you, seriously. Moultrie Creek is not the best place to build. Better locations will be available soon.

[nn0wheremann]

We are looking to build around the Eastport area. Having learned recently that the Village of Well Point is likely to be the next area developed after Moultrie Creek, we are excited since it should be a reasonable golf cart ride to Brownwood/Sawgrass/Ednas/Fenney. I am not necessarily concerned about safety, but what should we be concerned about considering the area is adjacent to Coleman?
Supposedly every event at the prison is announced on loudspeakers, following a klaxon-like prelude. So if you are sipping your morning Demi-tasse of expresó on the lanai and you don’t mind the occasional “AH OOO GAGH CELL BLOC B BREAKFAST NOW! announcement, move there and enjoy.

[asianthree]

Supposedly every event at the prison is announced on loudspeakers, following a klaxon-like prelude. So if you are sipping your morning Demi-tasse of expresó on the lanai and you don’t mind the occasional “AH OOO GAGH CELL BLOC B BREAKFAST NOW! announcement, move there and enjoy.

Key word is “Supposedly” unless you are holding a Sheldon sign. Those who live near have actually can give first hand knowledge. So if one is considering moving to area, listen to facts, then scope the area personally

[Altavia]

Supposedly every event at the prison is announced on loudspeakers, following a klaxon-like prelude. So if you are sipping your morning Demi-tasse of expresó on the lanai and you don’t mind the occasional “AH OOO GAGH CELL BLOC B BREAKFAST NOW! announcement, move there and enjoy.

Nonsense, we live near and have never heard a peep.

[bsloan1960]

We are looking to build around the Eastport area. Having learned recently that the Village of Well Point is likely to be the next area developed after Moultrie Creek, we are excited since it should be a reasonable golf cart ride to Brownwood/Sawgrass/Ednas/Fenney. I am not necessarily concerned about safety, but what should we be concerned about considering the area is adjacent to Coleman?
I've heard that the prison has LOUD horns and other blaring signal devices to signal times for inmates to travel about the compound, lights out, etc. I'm told you'll hear these close to the prison. Do some research. Ask some residents rather that your sales agent.

[photo1902]

I've heard that the prison has LOUD horns and other blaring signal devices to signal times for inmates to travel about the compound, lights out, etc. I'm told you'll hear these close to the prison. Do some research. Ask some residents rather that your sales agent.

"I've heard". So you are basing this on a rumor, or have you actually heard the noises you described?

[asianthree]

I've heard that the prison has LOUD horns and other blaring signal devices to signal times for inmates to travel about the compound, lights out, etc. I'm told you'll hear these close to the prison. Do some research. Ask some residents rather that your sales agent.

Read post #36, the posted at 1:13pm prior to yours, at 2:01 from an actual resident who lives there. Not what “you heard” probably while in the barber, although I am sure there are juicy tidbits you hear on a regular basis

[Marathon Man]

Supposedly every event at the prison is announced on loudspeakers, following a klaxon-like prelude. So if you are sipping your morning Demi-tasse of expresó on the lanai and you don’t mind the occasional “AH OOO GAGH CELL BLOC B BREAKFAST NOW! announcement, move there and enjoy.

Translation = I know nothing about the subject.

[Marathon Man]

I've heard that the prison has LOUD horns and other blaring signal devices to signal times for inmates to travel about the compound, lights out, etc. I'm told you'll hear these close to the prison. Do some research. Ask some residents rather that your sales agent.

Translation = Let me pass on a rumor that I heard, not having any actual knowledge.

[asianthree]

Translation = I know nothing about the subject.

Translation = Let me pass on a rumor that I heard, not having any actual knowledge.

Winner of the Best posts of the day

[Deckboat234]

Look at post #9 for good info. Wellpoint is on the east side of Marsh bend trail just south of Monarch grove. It looks like it will be a good location. You are not next to middleton or the prison. Drive down Marsh bend and you will see. There appears to be a non-village development going in across Marsh Bend on the west side. New homes but not sure of the price point. Doesn't appear to be apartments.

[jeffc1965]

I want to thank everyone for their responses. We are planning to move to the Villages by April 1, 2024 whether we find an existing home to buy or have to temporarily rent. Our preference is to build in the northern area around Eastport, thus the question about Coleman, but we are not opposed to an existing home that meets our wants/needs around Marsh Bend/St Johns/Richmond.

Thanks again. I look forward to seeing everyone there in a few months.

[MrChip72]

You can be 1000 feet from Brownwood square in the evening and barely hear the music. The Coleman prison buildings are much further away from an future homes than 1000 feet.

[bsloan1960]

"I've heard". So you are basing this on a rumor, or have you actually heard the noises you described? For some reason that I can only guess, but will not reveal to the rest of the class, you failed to see that my closing suggestion,
"Ask some residents rather that your sales agent.", was intended as, "It is best to not rely on my information alone". My reply to OP was responsible: Introduce what I'd heard in case it is true- BUT ask people in case it is not. Conversely your reply to me was misdirected and unsophisticated. Which of our offerings supplied useful information to the OP?

[Randall55]

Nonsense, we live near and have never heard a peep.As far as I know, there have been no Villages homes built close to the prison. Moultrie Creek will be the first. Your home must be further away, this is why you do not hear a peep.

[bsloan1960]

Read post #36, the posted at 1:13pm prior to yours, at 2:01 from an actual resident who lives there. Not what “you heard” probably while in the barber, although I am sure there are juicy tidbits you hear on a regular basis
I don't read all the posts before replying- and judging from the fact that the vast majority of posts contain similar answers it is safe to assume the vast majority of users here don't either. Many of the posts that do have similar answers differ in ways that will give the OPs wider information. Also. If someone in a Village says, "I don't hear it" it doesn't mean someone a mile away doesn't. We hear highway noise where we live. Not everyone here will report that they do where they live. So the short answer to your question is I will continue to do exactly what I am currently doing.

[photo1902]

Translation = Let me pass on a rumor that I heard, not having any actual knowledge.

Priceless.

[Altavia]

As far as I know, there have been no Villages homes built close to the prison. Moultrie Creek will be the first. Your home must be further away, this is why you do not hear a peep.

Parts of Monarch Grove is within a mile as the crow flies, about the same distance.

Lots of homes in Middleton that are closer than Moultrie Creek. Only complaints there have been about football games.

[Normal]

Parts of Monarch Grove is within a mile as the crow flies.

Lots of homes in Middleton that are closer than Moultrie Creek. Only complaints there have been about football games.
What about the sight line?
There should be a clear view of the prison and the cement factory if someone were to buy on Mcmurtrie Loop? But then,, wouldn’t it be less than 1/2 of a mile?

[Altavia]

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[Randall55]

Parts of Monarch Grove is within a mile as the crow flies, about the same distance.

Lots of homes in Middleton that are closer than Moultrie Creek. Only complaints there have been about football games.
Not many retirees living in Middleton. The vast majority are still working and are not home at ALL HOURS of the day. Life of a retired individual has to be taken into account. How much noise can you take 24/7? I may be wrong but Monarch Grove is much further from the prison and schools than Moultrie Creek.It also does not seem to have as much traffic. I guess the OP will have to look carefully at a map of the entire area. Isnt Monarch Grove having sinkhole issues?

[Altavia]

Not many retirees living in Middleton. The vast majority are still working and are not home at ALL HOURS of the day. Life of a retired individual has to be taken into account. How much noise can you take 24/7? I may be wrong but Monarch Grove is much further from the prison and schools than Moultrie Creek.It also does not seem to have as much traffic. I guess the OP will have to look carefully at a map of the entire area. Isnt Monarch Grove having sinkhole issues?


Google maps shows the north east corner of USP-1 Coleman is 0.658 mi from south most Monarch Grove. Southen most building is 1.3 mi, Moultrie Creek is more than 1.3mi.

The east side of the facility is behind mature trees so you don't see it from the road.

[photo1902]

For some reason that I can only guess, but will not reveal to the rest of the class, you failed to see that my closing suggestion,
"Ask some residents rather that your sales agent.", was intended as, "It is best to not rely on my information alone". My reply to OP was responsible: Introduce what I'd heard in case it is true- BUT ask people in case it is not. Conversely your reply to me was misdirected and unsophisticated. Which of our offerings supplied useful information to the OP?

Darn, and I strive for sophistication!

[bsloan1960]

Darn, and I strive for sophistication! So you ignored the larger point and zeroed in on that? May want to avoid the Debating Club.

[photo1902]

So you ignored the larger point and zeroed in on that? May want to avoid the Debating Club.

I’m not in high school, so my debate club days are over. Have fun at the prom! :)

[coffeebean]

I don't read all the posts before replying- and judging from the fact that the vast majority of posts contain similar answers it is safe to assume the vast majority of users here don't either. Many of the posts that do have similar answers differ in ways that will give the OPs wider information. Also. If someone in a Village says, "I don't hear it" it doesn't mean someone a mile away doesn't. We hear highway noise where we live. Not everyone here will report that they do where they live. So the short answer to your question is I will continue to do exactly what I am currently doing.

I'm replying to the highlighted comment........I reply to posts in a thread as I read them. Does it make any sense to read a thread with, say, 100 posts then have to go back to the posts you wish to reply to? I would need a list of the posts I had to go back to so I could reply to them.

OK.....back to the subject at hand.

[coffeebean]

Parts of Monarch Grove is within a mile as the crow flies, about the same distance.

Lots of homes in Middleton that are closer than Moultrie Creek. Only complaints there have been about football games.

Not everyone is gifted with astute hearing, especially as we get older. Sometimes that can be a good thing though especially if you live close to anything that can cause noise "pollution".

[Altavia]

Not everyone is gifted with astute hearing, especially as we get older. Sometimes that can be a good thing though especially if you live close to anything that can cause noise "pollution".

Huh? :-)

[MrChip72]

What about the sight line?
There should be a clear view of the prison and the cement factory if someone were to buy on Mcmurtrie Loop? But then,, wouldn’t it be less than 1/2 of a mile?

I've driven down Marsh bend trail and county road 470 hundreds of times. There is no clear view of the prison buildings. It's behind a wooded area, which would presumably block out the sounds even more.

[Randall55]

I've driven down Marsh bend trail and county road 470 hundreds of times. There is no clear view of the prison buildings. It's behind a wooded area, which would presumably block out the sounds even more.As another poster stated, the land is owned by the federal government. Do not expect the area "as is" will remain that way. The government is free to do what they want with their land. Even enlarge the prison. This is also true of the cement factory and quarry.

The poster went on and gave a great example. Look what the electric company did with their property near the Village of Citrus Grove. Expanded! Now, it is an unslightly view for some homes.

[NatureBoy]

What about the blasting at the quarry once a month? That alone would make me move somewhere else.

Blasting? Come join us in St. Johns on Lake Okahumpka. During duck season the shot guns start at dawn. A great alarm just as the sun comes up. Several of the $1M+ homes with pools & view lots facing the lake have gone up for sale shortly after the one year mark.

I come from a house that was near a military shooting range, and my house isn't right on the lake, so it doesn't bother me much. But some of the people in the community Facebook group have been unpleasantly surprised and disturbed.

There are many considerations when buying a house. In a place like TV with both so many options and competition for lots, you really need to decide what is important to you. And you need to do some research into things that your sales agent will never tell you about.

The people here have certainly responded with both their concerns and why others' concerns are not theirs. Take it all with grains of salt and make your own choices.

FWIW, we did all that and had our eye on a particular house in a particular place. Then another house popped up and we bought based on a cell phone video tour. We love it. But, we had done all that research so when our current house popped up, we knew it checked lots of our boxes and we were able to move.

Good luck.

[coffeebean]

Huh? :-)

Sorry I wasn't clear. I'll explain..........it may not be such a bad thing to be hearing impaired, especially if you live close to a prison or any other "venue" that ruins the quiet serenity of a person's environment with noise. Having said that, there are noises that are unavoidable such as the lawn, shrub and tree companys that keep our community looking nice and manicured. It is what it is.

[JMintzer]

I'm replying to the highlighted comment........I reply to posts in a thread as I read them. Does it make any sense to read a thread with, say, 100 posts then have to go back to the posts you wish to reply to? I would need a list of the posts I had to go back to so I could reply to them.

OK.....back to the subject at hand.

No, but it would help to read a page or two to see if your point has already been made or refuted...

[Altavia]

Sorry I wasn't clear. I'll explain..........it may not be such a bad thing to be hearing impaired, especially if you live close to a prison or any other "venue" that ruins the quiet serenity of a person's environment with noise. Having said that, there are noises that are unavoidable such as the lawn, shrub and tree companys that keep our community looking nice and manicured. It is what it is.

Very sorry, knew what you meant, that was a poor attempt at a joke.

[Altavia]

Blasting? Come join us in St. Johns on Lake Okahumpka. During duck season the shot guns start at dawn. A great alarm just as the sun comes up. Several of the $1M+ homes with pools & view lots facing the lake have gone up for sale shortly after the one year mark.

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Now that you can hear from miles away. Loud enough the dog drops his tail between his legs three miles away.

Must be really hard for some dog owners closer by or even those with some forms of PTSD.

[Jeri Harris]

Thank you for the maps. They did help

[asianthree]

We can hear the gunshots for opening day, in Richmond, then mostly on the weekend. Not a big deal up north we are surrounded by 5 lakes so gunshots echo everywhere, weekends are busy in the mornings.

Our houses up north are also surrounded by woodland. So that 5 point buck may be dinner next week. I don’t mind them coming up from the lakes with ducks, but the hauling of dead deer can be a little disturbing to the kids in the neighborhood, walking to the school bus.

Maybe all the million dollar houses in St John’s are just going up for sale because of the one year is up to make profit.

Can’t believe anyone who is near a lake in TV doesn’t have a clue…hunting is legal in Florida just like any other state.

[MrChip72]

As another poster stated, the land is owned by the federal government. Do not expect the area "as is" will remain that way. The government is free to do what they want with their land. Even enlarge the prison. This is also true of the cement factory and quarry.

The government has taken great steps in ensuring that the Coleman facility is not visible from any public roads. It wouldn't make sense for them to all of the sudden decide that they don't care about that.

[coffeebean]

No, but it would help to read a page or two to see if your point has already been made or refuted...

I have not ever navigated forums that way. Having said that, I have, at times, made a reply then have deleted that reply if that same point was made by someone else. I just don't like to have to double back to anything.

[coffeebean]

Very sorry, knew what you meant, that was a poor attempt at a joke.

Oh, my bad.

[JMintzer]

I have not ever navigated forums that way. Having said that, I have, at times, made a reply then have deleted that reply if that same point was made by someone else. I just don't like to have to double back to anything.

Well, having moderated multiple music forums (talk about herding cats!), I've found that most confusion and many arguments can be avoided by doing just that.

Of course, YMMV...

[Snakster66]

People speak of the cement factory only in the context of view. I’d be more worried about potential health hazard of living in close proximity of a cement factory (there are many studies on the subject that one can search and draw their own conclusions). For me anyway, it makes Moultrie Creek a non-starter. But again, do your own research on the subject and make your own judgements.

[Normal]

People speak of the cement factory only in the context of view. I’d be more worried about potential health hazard of living in close proximity of a cement factory (there are many studies on the subject that one can search and draw their own conclusions). For me anyway, it makes Moultrie Creek a non-starter. But again, do your own research on the subject and make your own judgements.

Te view is hideous. It isn’t covered at all by any vegetation and the lights on the factory are running 24/7. The prominent towers are more than 200 foot high. The place never seems to shut down and is almost adjacent to Central Parkway. That would definitely be my non starter.

Ash Grove Cement is the second largest cement producer in the state of Florida. They are the 6th largest in the US. Locations - ASH GROVE SOUTH (https://www.ashgrovesouth.com/locations/)
Address 4750 E COUNTY ROAD 470
SUMTERVILLE, FL 33585

[Bogie Shooter]

Te view is hideous. It isn’t covered at all by any vegetation and the lights on the factory are running 24/7. The prominent towers are more than 200 foot high. The place never seems to shut down and is almost adjacent to Central Parkway. That would definitely be my non starter.

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[asianthree]

People speak of the cement factory only in the context of view. I’d be more worried about potential health hazard of living in close proximity of a cement factory (there are many studies on the subject that one can search and draw their own conclusions). For me anyway, it makes Moultrie Creek a non-starter. But again, do your own research on the subject and make your own judgements.

Family run concrete batch plants in the Bible Belt is pretty small compared to some only have 4 locations, and 29 trucks per site. Only 20% isn’t family, those that are retired lived to their mid to late 80s. Bigger killer than any products they were surrounded by was the amount of alcohol consumed everyday after work ended

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Ignore the crybaby's. Coleman is surrounded by a forest on the east side. It's quieter and safer than a National Park.

If near Marsh Bend Trail, you may see lights over the trees at night, no different than from any parking area.

Wellpoint is just south of Monarch Grove, more than two miles away from Middleton so no issues with noise there.

This area north of Eastport is a prime location and will be in very high demand. Similar to being close to Sumter Landing. It's within two miles of Magnolia Plaza, Sawgrass, Eastport, Middleton and near multiple new golf courses.

Once Bexeley and Corbin Trail are open (soon), there will be quick, easy access to Sawgrass and the Turnpike. Most of 470 and the Eastport/Middleton area can be avoided during school traffic hour.

The maps at this link might be helpful.

William Vayens Maps (https://www.goldwingnut.com/villages-map)

Thank you so much for including this map. You have no idea how many times I’ve heard of a particular Village but no idea where it was!

[pokeefe45@aol.com]

If you are thinking about buying in that area, I highly recommend that you scout it out, FIRST. In the morning, there is school traffic (3 schools) that can block the roadways. The Marchiing Band practices outside and you can hear it for miles. During games or events, the stadium gets full bringing endless traffic and more noise. Downtown Middleton is just a stone's throw away. I have been told there will be nightly music like our squares. Again, this brings more traffic and noise. It is probably best to wait until other villages in the Eastport area are available. We were going to build in Moultrie Creek. After seeing the traffic and hearing the noise, we have decided to wait.
The Village of Well Point is nowhere near Moultrie Creek-it will be adjacent to and just south of Monarch Grove and miles from the high school.

[Dond1959]

Okay, a lot of I believe and I heard on this topic. So here are some basic facts about the specific area. I live in DeSoto south of Fenney Way so we are fairly close to the prison. We have never heard announcements or sirens or any noise. From our location we can’t see any of the lights. We do hear the turnpike in the morning when everything is quiet. We do have the occasional blast from the quarry. We don’t hear it but you can definitely feel it. In the early morning hours you can hear the cement plant and the trucks backing up (beep, beep, beep). But I do not hear the plant during the day.

For the specific area (Well Point) it is further away than we are to the cement plant and closer to the turnpike. I have driven on Marsh Bend at night and you can see the lights of the prison. It would depend on the specific location of the lot as to what you could see at night. Personally I think it is going to be one of the better new areas as it will be a lot closer to established amenities than the places south of 470. There is also the last part of Richmond that will be built that will be really popular because it is so close to Brownwood. Best of luck and make an informed decision.

[Normal]

Okay, a lot of I believe and I heard on this topic. So here are some basic facts about the specific area. I live in DeSoto south of Fenney Way so we are fairly close to the prison. We have never heard announcements or sirens or any noise. From our location we can’t see any of the lights. We do hear the turnpike in the morning when everything is quiet. We do have the occasional blast from the quarry. We don’t hear it but you can definitely feel it. In the early morning hours you can hear the cement plant and the trucks backing up (beep, beep, beep). But I do not hear the plant during the day.

For the specific area (Well Point) it is further away than we are to the cement plant and closer to the turnpike. I have driven on Marsh Bend at night and you can see the lights of the prison. It would depend on the specific location of the lot as to what you could see at night. Personally I think it is going to be one of the better new areas as it will be a lot closer to established amenities than the places south of 470. There is also the last part of Richmond that will be built that will be really popular because it is so close to Brownwood. Best of luck and make an informed decision.

Agree totally. WellPoint will be much better than Moultrie! Although very recently, the view lots in Moultrie were reduced by 40 thousand on the retention pond. Think they are now 59K. A month ago they were 99K? IMHO I would hold off.

[Dusty_Star]

I would not worry about prisoners escaping! I would be concerned with the nature of the businesses close to my home. If they blast, you will feel it. I lived near a high school field and they can be noisy, players, music, loudspeakers and cheering people. Not for me thanks.

You might not worry about escaping prisoners, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Mob hit man who killed three, escapes.

Mob hitman from upstate New York escapes from federal custody in Florida (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mob-hitman-upstate-new-york-escapes-federal-custody-florida-rcna22592)

[asianthree]

You might not worry about escaping prisoners, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Mob hit man who killed three, escapes.

Mob hitman from upstate New York escapes from federal custody in Florida (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mob-hitman-upstate-new-york-escapes-federal-custody-florida-rcna22592)

Did he run to the closest house in TV to hide, nope anyone with any common sense will go as quickly and as far away from any prison. We had a prison not far from our lake house, and never had a worry that it was there. But I guess those who worry about a prison came from that small town, that was sheltered from outsiders.

[Stu from NYC]

Did he run to the closest house in TV to hide, nope anyone with any common sense will go as quickly and as far away from any prison. We had a prison not far from our lake house, and never had a worry that it was there. But I guess those who worry about a prison came from that small town, that was sheltered from outsiders.

We did hear about this happening in a movie so it can happen:bigbow:

[coffeebean]

You can be 1000 feet from Brownwood square in the evening and barely hear the music. The Coleman prison buildings are much further away from an future homes than 1000 feet.

You may want to have your hearing checked if you can barely hear music from Brownwood 1000 feet away.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

Very sorry, knew what you meant, that was a poor attempt at a joke.

No worries.

[coffeebean]

Well, having moderated multiple music forums (talk about herding cats!), I've found that most confusion and many arguments can be avoided by doing just that.

Of course, YMMV...

"herding cats".....that is a funny expression. Made me chuckle even though I have heard it before.

[coffeebean]

People speak of the cement factory only in the context of view. I’d be more worried about potential health hazard of living in close proximity of a cement factory (there are many studies on the subject that one can search and draw their own conclusions). For me anyway, it makes Moultrie Creek a non-starter. But again, do your own research on the subject and make your own judgements.

The more I read about all these not so prime locations that are being developed, the more I wish these Morse kids would take a breather and develop ONLY prime property like north of 44. Sorry, just had to say it.

[coffeebean]

You might not worry about escaping prisoners, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Mob hit man who killed three, escapes.

Mob hitman from upstate New York escapes from federal custody in Florida (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mob-hitman-upstate-new-york-escapes-federal-custody-florida-rcna22592)

Trivia...........Whitey Bulger was a resident at Coleman Prison until he was transferred to West Virginia then got rubbed out within twelve hours of his arrival.

[asianthree]

The more I read about all these not so prime locations that are being developed, the more I wish these Morse kids would take a breather and develop ONLY prime property like north of 44. Sorry, just had to say it.

Basically you are pointing out people who are moving to what ever area you speak of aren’t making good decisions

So if it’s money out of your pocket then say it. Otherwise those who choose to move farther south are very happy spending money on where they choose to live. And are very happy with the move.

I know change is hard as some get older, but my mother in-law (94) left LSL and adapted very well south of 44. Her quote “I don’t feel like I live with the Crypt keeper’s anymore” . She says with age comes wisdom, strength to do what makes you happy.:1rotfl:

[Altavia]

You might not worry about escaping prisoners, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Mob hit man who killed three, escapes.

Mob hitman from upstate New York escapes from federal custody in Florida (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mob-hitman-upstate-new-york-escapes-federal-custody-florida-rcna22592)



"Records showed the last place he lived under BOP control was a halfway house in Wildwood, Florida."

The article mentions local law inforcement was not notified? :shrug: