Did anyone else notice the haze in the Spanish Springs area?

[trueorange]

On our way back from a delightful Valentine's Day lunch (unsweetened ice tea the only beverage), we noticed a strange smoky/hazy cloud cover. There was plenty of blue sky behind us, but smoke ahead. Did anyone else notice it and does anyone know the source?

[ThirdOfFive]

On our way back from a delightful Valentine's Day lunch (unsweetened ice tea the only beverage), we noticed a strange smoky/hazy cloud cover. There was plenty of blue sky behind us, but smoke ahead. Did anyone else notice it and does anyone know the source?
Yeah, we saw it too. Can't say what it was though, or the source.

[shut the front door]

They are doing a controlled burn in ONF.

[AZ SLIM]

I'm a retired wildland fire manager. This is the perfect time of year and weather for conducting prescribed fires in the South. Both the National Forests and State Forests use these "controlled burns" for various land management reasons. No matter the objective of the fire, the reduction in fuels is a big help in controlling wildfires should one occur in the area later on.
I come from the western states where controlled burning is mostly done in the Spring and Fall, but I have worked on details in Florida in both controlled burning and fighting wildfires in the summer.
The smoke from the prescribed fires may be a bit annoying, but the benefits are substantial.

[Bay Kid]

And the world is worried about air pollution.

[Laker14]

And the world is worried about air pollution.

but not worried enough.

I noticed the yellowish cloud to the north of me as I was riding in my golf cart towards Miona Rec Center. I figured it was a burn somewhere. Gotta do what you gotta do. Better a controlled burn than an uncontrolled burn.

I spend summers in Upstate NY (Finger Lakes Area) and we had some days, last summer, from the Quebec fires that were nauseating. Yep, gotta do what you gotta do.

[Blackbird45]

It might just have been the annual pot club chillout convention.
With all the pollution in the world a little haze over Spanish Spring is the least you should worry about.

[BrianL99]

And the world is worried about air pollution.

but not worried enough.

"Burns" have been part of the earth's evolution, since the beginning. They're not new, nor are they pollution.

The Environmentalism as a Religion folks, seem oblivious to the fact that a huge percentage of what they view as pollution, has existed since the beginning of time and have helped make the earth what it is today.

It's unfortunate that uncontrolled burns aren't as practical today, as they were a few centuries ago, but that's the world we live in and part of the earth's evolutionary cycle we've chosen to interfere with.

The earth and civilization didn't begin the day today's Environmentalists arrived, it was around for centuries and doing just fine, without the nonsense and blather we have to hear every day from the revisionists.

[crash]

"Burns" have been part of the earth's evolution, since the beginning. They're not new, nor are they pollution.

The Environmentalism as a Religion folks, seem oblivious to the fact that a huge percentage of what they view as pollution, has existed since the beginning of time and have helped make the earth what it is today.

It's unfortunate that uncontrolled burns aren't as practical today, as they were a few centuries ago, but that's the world we live in and part of the earth's evolutionary cycle we've chosen to interfere with.

The earth and civilization didn't begin the day today's Environmentalists arrived, it was around for centuries and doing just fine, without the nonsense and blather we have to hear every day from the revisionists.

Doing just fine until 8 billion people did whatever they wanted to screw it up. The solution is not dilution.

[OhioBuckeye]

I wouldn’t worry about it, we can’t do anything about it anyhow!

[Joe C.]

Don't worry about it. The earth is "self healing". Think about the volcanos that spew sulfuric gases, acids and ammonia into our atmosphere ......untold tons of it. And this has been going on since creation. Guess what? We're still here and there's still a lot of fresh air to inhale.

[Topspinmo]

On our way back from a delightful Valentine's Day lunch (unsweetened ice tea the only beverage), we noticed a strange smoky/hazy cloud cover. There was plenty of blue sky behind us, but smoke ahead. Did anyone else notice it and does anyone know the source?

Maybe if you had spiked tea the haze would have cleared up? :p. When I have brain fog nice spiced tea clears it right up.:BigApplause: I see it works on lots of villagers from 5 to 9 :thumbup:

[Topspinmo]

"Burns" have been part of the earth's evolution, since the beginning. They're not new, nor are they pollution.

The Environmentalism as a Religion folks, seem oblivious to the fact that a huge percentage of what they view as pollution, has existed since the beginning of time and have helped make the earth what it is today.

It's unfortunate that uncontrolled burns aren't as practical today, as they were a few centuries ago, but that's the world we live in and part of the earth's evolutionary cycle we've chosen to interfere with.

The earth and civilization didn't begin the day today's Environmentalists arrived, it was around for centuries and doing just fine, without the nonsense and blather we have to hear every day from the revisionists.

IMO it may have been worse before humans bulldozed the earth? :throwtomatoes:

[PurePeach]

On our way back from a delightful Valentine's Day lunch (unsweetened ice tea the only beverage), we noticed a strange smoky/hazy cloud cover. There was plenty of blue sky behind us, but smoke ahead. Did anyone else notice it and does anyone know the source?

Controlled burning was being done and the wind carried the smoke.

[PugMom]

"Burns" have been part of the earth's evolution, since the beginning. They're not new, nor are they pollution.

The Environmentalism as a Religion folks, seem oblivious to the fact that a huge percentage of what they view as pollution, has existed since the beginning of time and have helped make the earth what it is today.

It's unfortunate that uncontrolled burns aren't as practical today, as they were a few centuries ago, but that's the world we live in and part of the earth's evolutionary cycle we've chosen to interfere with.

The earth and civilization didn't begin the day today's Environmentalists arrived, it was around for centuries and doing just fine, without the nonsense and blather we have to hear every day from the revisionists.

:bigbow: Thank You

[jimjamuser]

"Burns" have been part of the earth's evolution, since the beginning. They're not new, nor are they pollution.

The Environmentalism as a Religion folks, seem oblivious to the fact that a huge percentage of what they view as pollution, has existed since the beginning of time and have helped make the earth what it is today.

It's unfortunate that uncontrolled burns aren't as practical today, as they were a few centuries ago, but that's the world we live in and part of the earth's evolutionary cycle we've chosen to interfere with.

The earth and civilization didn't begin the day today's Environmentalists arrived, it was around for centuries and doing just fine, without the nonsense and blather we have to hear every day from the revisionists.
I don't see environmentalists as terrible or stupid people. We all have large catalytic converters in our gasoline vehicles BECAUSE people in the US and elsewhere cared about air quality a long time ago. Personally, I wish that more people today would use electric vehicles and lawnmowers and small motorized tools like chain saws.
........People are living LONGER productive lives because they finally realized that smoking inside buildings causes lung cancer for all that would breathe the smoke in.
.........I see environmentalists simply as concerned citizens that would like to see human living conditions constantly improving.

[jimjamuser]

I wouldn’t worry about it, we can’t do anything about it anyhow!
I would say that almost any problem can be solved if people put enough time and energy into it. I could think of 2 possibilities very quickly if we were "BRAINSTORMING" for solutions. #1 use herds GOATS to eat the underbrush - thus converting it to goat protein that could be sold for a PROFIT. #2 Instead of burning - use electric farm tractors to cut down the underbrush and electric vehicles to haul it away. Haul it to sites or factories where it could DECOMPOSE and that heat energy be used to produce ELECTRICITY.
.......even a #3...... Study what European countries do about the problem. Do they ALL burn?

[BrianL99]

I would say that almost any problem can be solved if people put enough time and energy into it. I could think of 2 possibilities very quickly if we were "BRAINSTORMING" for solutions. #1 use herds GOATS to eat the underbrush - thus converting it to goat protein that could be sold for a PROFIT. #2 Instead of burning - use electric farm tractors to cut down the underbrush and electric vehicles to haul it away. Haul it to sites or factories where it could DECOMPOSE and that heat energy be used to produce ELECTRICITY.
.......even a #3...... Study what European countries do about the problem. Do they ALL burn?

"Burning" is generally required (by nature) for forest and other types of growth to evolve. It's called Forest Secession.

I'm not sure what this particular controlled burn was for, but fires are important in the evolution for woodlands. For example, hardwood forests, are almost always a result of a fire in an existing Pine forest.


Forest Succession – Duke Forest (https://dukeforest.duke.edu/forest-environment/forest-succession/)

[Topspinmo]

I would say that almost any problem can be solved if people put enough time and energy into it. I could think of 2 possibilities very quickly if we were "BRAINSTORMING" for solutions. #1 use herds GOATS to eat the underbrush - thus converting it to goat protein that could be sold for a PROFIT. #2 Instead of burning - use electric farm tractors to cut down the underbrush and electric vehicles to haul it away. Haul it to sites or factories where it could DECOMPOSE and that heat energy be used to produce ELECTRICITY.
.......even a #3...... Study what European countries do about the problem. Do they ALL burn?


Electric farm equipment will not be able to plow field in my life time. Now might be able to use one or two bottom plow for about 45 mins. Then recharge for hours. But couple horses would be more productive.

[Topspinmo]

I would say that almost any problem can be solved if people put enough time and energy into it. I could think of 2 possibilities very quickly if we were "BRAINSTORMING" for solutions. #1 use herds GOATS to eat the underbrush - thus converting it to goat protein that could be sold for a PROFIT. #2 Instead of burning - use electric farm tractors to cut down the underbrush and electric vehicles to haul it away. Haul it to sites or factories where it could DECOMPOSE and that heat energy be used to produce ELECTRICITY.
.......even a #3...... Study what European countries do about the problem. Do they ALL burn?


The good old college try “brainstorming” when they don’t have to solve anything. Don’t goats produce methane?

[manaboutown]

And the world is worried about air pollution.

and global warming due to combustion of carbon based fuels.

[JMintzer]

"Burning" is generally required (by nature) for forest and other types of growth to evolve. It's called Forest Secession.

I'm not sure what this particular controlled burn was for, but fires are important in the evolution for woodlands. For example, hardwood forests, are almost always a result of a fire in an existing Pine forest.


Forest Succession – Duke Forest (https://dukeforest.duke.edu/forest-environment/forest-succession/)

And the giant redwoods and pines in Yellowstone require fire for their pine cones to open up and release their seeds...

But why let facts get in the way of "goats"...

[Two Bills]

In the UK, we still have controlled burns every year to rejuvenate, and promote new growth on our heathlands.
Many types of trees need fire to germinate.
'tis how nature works.

[Laker14]

"Burns" have been part of the earth's evolution, since the beginning. They're not new, nor are they pollution.

The Environmentalism as a Religion folks, seem oblivious to the fact that a huge percentage of what they view as pollution, has existed since the beginning of time and have helped make the earth what it is today.

It's unfortunate that uncontrolled burns aren't as practical today, as they were a few centuries ago, but that's the world we live in and part of the earth's evolutionary cycle we've chosen to interfere with.

The earth and civilization didn't begin the day today's Environmentalists arrived, it was around for centuries and doing just fine, without the nonsense and blather we have to hear every day from the revisionists.

you quoted my "not worried enough" in this post you made. I think you misunderstood my intent. I don't disagree with the value of controlled burns.
That's not inconsistent with a general observation that the human race is not worried enough about air pollution, hence we don't do enough to change our behaviors to mitigate it.

[fdpaq0580]

The good old college try “brainstorming” when they don’t have to solve anything. Don’t goats produce methane?

Yes. But goat farts are likely not nearly as poluting as a gas-powered brush cutter and truck to haul it n and out plus haul the cuttings to a dump site. And the goats will be providing fertilizer as they go about their business.
No system is perfect, but some are better than others. In the pursuit of profit, mankind (generally) thinks short-term and often doesn't see the damage o himself or environment until it is too late. The "evil" tree huggers of the past and "evil" government " brought about the reforms and regulations that help keep our air, water, and environment as good as it is. Those that fought and argued against those regs and reforms are responsible for the fact the air quality, water quality, and environment aren't even better. Bashing others attempts at ideas to possibly help the situation is counter productive. Come up with ideas to help improve things, if you can. People can either be an aid to a better world, or a roadblock.

[JMintzer]

Yes. But goat farts are likely not nearly as poluting as a gas-powered brush cutter and truck to haul it n and out plus haul the cuttings to a dump site. And the goats will be providing fertilizer as they go about their business.
No system is perfect, but some are better than others. In the pursuit of profit, mankind (generally) thinks short-term and often doesn't see the damage o himself or environment until it is too late. The "evil" tree huggers of the past and "evil" government " brought about the reforms and regulations that help keep our air, water, and environment as good as it is. Those that fought and argued against those regs and reforms are responsible for the fact the air quality, water quality, and environment aren't even better. Bashing others attempts at ideas to possibly help the situation is counter productive. Come up with ideas to help improve things, if you can. People can either be an aid to a better world, or a roadblock.

Won't the goats just be a buffet for the bears, bobcats, and alligators?

[Dusty_Star]

Won't the goats just be a buffet for the bears, bobcats, and alligators?

Not to mention humans. Goats are very productive farm animals.

[fdpaq0580]

Won't the goats just be a buffet for the bears, bobcats, and alligators?

No. We have seen them used where we lived before. The herd walks from area to area by the goatherd and his dog. They travel through the community cleaning out bush and bramble that amazed me. They "mowed" lawns, cleaning up the trimmings along with the weeds.
Goats produce milk that makes great cheese. Plus, they are fun to watch. And, as far as the buffet goes, they are good eating. If I was allowed, I'd get a goat for my yard here. Dump my yard service for cutting, weed and fertilizer. Even with my good sized corner lot, I might have to get a couple of neighbors to let me do their yards, just to keep the goat fed.

[JMintzer]

No. We have seen them used where we lived before. The herd walks from area to area by the goatherd and his dog. They travel through the community cleaning out bush and bramble that amazed me. They "mowed" lawns, cleaning up the trimmings along with the weeds.
Goats produce milk that makes great cheese. Plus, they are fun to watch. And, as far as the buffet goes, they are good eating. If I was allowed, I'd get a goat for my yard here. Dump my yard service for cutting, weed and fertilizer. Even with my good sized corner lot, I might have to get a couple of neighbors to let me do their yards, just to keep the goat fed.

Was the area you used to live filled with bears, gators and bobcats, etc, like the ONF?

[Pairadocs]

They are doing a controlled burn in ONF.

I had read about the burns last week; either in a a newspaper (not the D. Sun) or was reading a regular newspaper on line. There was a listing of the impending controlled burns, and the dates.

[Pairadocs]

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2302155]No. We have seen them used where we lived before. The herd walks from area to area by the goatherd and his dog. They travel through the community cleaning out bush and bramble that amazed me. They "mowed" lawns, cleaning up the trimmings along with the weeds.
Goats produce milk that makes great cheese. Plus, they are fun to watch. And, as far as the buffet goes, they are good eating. If I was allowed, I'd get a goat for my yard here. Dump my yard service for cutting, weed and fertilizer. Even with my good sized corner lot, I might have to get a couple of neighbors to let me do their yards, just to keep the goat fed.[/QU

The copious amounts of chemicals poured on lawns around here, I can't imagine the poor goats eating poisons in those amounts... I know goats are know for eating anything... shoes, tin cans, but chemicals in such huge amounts might be a bit too much ? Just a thought. I agree with your comments, have also witnessed what a great job (in this case 6) goats can do keeping things in shape. They actually do a very neat job. Relatives in Missouri use goats, they are not on a farm, but are just outside the city limits so no legal restrictions.

[Chi-Town]

I saw and smelled it at Laurel Manor at 466 and Buena Vista.
Where did it originate?

[Dusty_Star]

I saw and smelled it at Laurel Manor at 466 and Buena Vista.
Where did it originate?

Ocala National Forest

[Chi-Town]

Ocala National Forest

Thanks for the response. Amazing that it was that far away.

[Dusty_Star]

Thanks for the response. Amazing that it was that far away.

This past summer the east coast was coated with smoke from the Canadian wildfires. This is a picture of NYC, many hundreds of miles farther than Ocala National Forest to us.

[fdpaq0580]

This past summer the east coast was coated with smoke from the Canadian wildfires. This is a picture of NYC, many hundreds of miles farther than Ocala National Forest to us.

Yeah! Can't trust those shifty, French speakers. Canadian conspiracy theories, anyone? 🙃