Grocery Store plastic bags

[jimjamuser]

Don't get banned. I and many others value your input. As for guns, I am exmilitary and a former gun owner, I know a bit about guns. If it is only target practice, a BB gun can serve. Just not the same thrill as a semiautomatic 9mm or 44mag.
The Village has a nice pellet pistol and rifle target range. I went there several years ago. Pointed pellets and BBs are not allowed because they are more likely to bounce back.

[jimjamuser]

"Out of sight, out of mind." Up until recently trash was hidden. Dumped in the ocean, lakes, ravines, mountain valleys, landfills and buried. We couldn't see it, so it didn't exist. But, like a bear in the forest that disappeared behind a tree, it is still there, and just because you don't see it doest mean the danger doesn't exist. Plastic has made our lives easier and more convenient. But the long-term cost is rearing its ugly head. We can't hide it forever.
I basically agree. And as far as "mountains of trash" go - Around the 1950s when the population of the US was around 200 million people - there were more remote areas to dump trash and fewer people PRODUCING trash. People would throw stuff like banana peels out of the window of their car and it was NOT the disaster that it is today. Today cities are bigger and denser to accommodate the LARGER population. The wall-to-wall concrete in the city makes the summer HEAT more intense.
...........Today very few people spend a lot of time communicating with nature by tent camping in a remote area or hiking mountainous areas. For many people the closest time they spend with nature is when they play 18 holes of golf. And more power to them!

[jimjamuser]

Your obvious political shot at Biden is inaccurate. We already pay taxes on things we use. The more you use, the more you pay.
As for plastic bottles, jars, etc, milk, ketchup, sauces and more came in glass. Butter came in paper and cardboard. Same for bacon. Spaghetti still comes in a cardboard box, thank goodness. There are many things plastic does very well, but it is not always the best option.
I wonder if Amish people have micro-plastic particles floating around their blood systems. Or if their produce has the same contamination as ours does? If their carrot roots are covered with it?

[fdpaq0580]

It saddens me, but MA as well but only in certain communities by ordinance. My own personal protest is to just patronize stores in towns that still offer the choice. Which is all I want. I dont like mandates

Nobody likes mandates that don't support their own preferences. But, sometimes, its in the the best interests of us all.

[tophcfa]

The problem with plastic bags is not just "a few grams of plastic". The problem is that the lightweight plastic bags get blown around into our local lakes and even the Gulf of Mexico - where they cause problems (even death) for birds, fish, and mammals.

Easy solution, fill them with dog poop and throw them out with the trash and they won’t get blown away. If you don’t have a dog, give them to a neighbor with one and make a new friend. Problem solved! Otherwise, responsible dog owners would be using another type of plastic bag that isn’t being repurposed, creating even more plastic waste.

[jimjamuser]

I am more concerned with plastic bottles that shed into liquids that are ingested. What was wrong with the old glass bottles?
I believe that glass bottles ARE better than plastic. I believe that glass goes back to nature (deteriorates) faster than plastic containers. Another advantage crushed glass can be used in concrete. Also we would have less of this micro-particle problem that we have been discussing.

[fdpaq0580]

I wonder if Amish people have micro-plastic particles floating around their blood systems. Or if their produce has the same contamination as ours does? If their carrot roots are covered with it?

If it is in the environment, they are not immune.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Nobody likes mandates that don't support their own preferences. But, sometimes, its in the the best interests of us all.

To address the point and not the poster ;)

I found this interesting and I know it’s Wiki but very topical....

Mandate (politics) - Wikipedia (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjZ9KHF2ZSFAxUjmIkEHYl3AIsQmhN6BAgHEA4&usg=AOvVaw0C3sqCl5IpMQHmZ0M_NVUe)

[fdpaq0580]

How sad that so many just don't care and have no concern for the world. It's so easy to bring your own bags to the store, and reuse them.....

But that requires planning ahead! OMG! 😦

[jimjamuser]

To produce a battery for your environmentally friendly Tesla the process of extracting lithium consumes significant amounts of water and energy, and lithium mining can pollute the air and water with chemicals and heavy metals. In addition, mining lithium can disrupt wildlife habitats and cause soil erosion, leading to long-term ecological damage. All the earth moving mining equipment runs on diesel fuel . Feb 24, 2023 and after driving your environmentally friendly Tesla until the battery needs replacement, then there is this ;
Disposal. Lithium-ion batteries contain metals such as cobalt, nickel, and manganese, which are toxic and can contaminate water supplies and ecosystems if they leach out of landfills. Additionally, fires in landfills or battery-recycling facilities have been attributed to inappropriate disposal of lithium-ion batteries ..
If you look at cradle to grave with these so called environmentally friendly Tesla’s , not so friendly.
Where do you think the electricity from your charging stations come from ? Research it .
I am sure that the facts stated are CURRENTLY correct. However, E-Vehicles are in their infancy and will improve with development - as will battery technology. And it is easier to control pollution from a non-moving central generation plant than the thousands of IC vehicles moving around.
......As far as power generation goes, there is GREAT promise in environmentally friendly electrical generation like from tides, windmills, nuclear power, and etc. Even the burning of TV Land waste as has been previously discussed.

[fdpaq0580]

To address the point and not the poster ;)

I found this interesting and I know it’s Wiki but very topical....

Mandate (politics) - Wikipedia (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjZ9KHF2ZSFAxUjmIkEHYl3AIsQmhN6BAgHEA4&usg=AOvVaw0C3sqCl5IpMQHmZ0M_NVUe)

Thanks! Agree with "topical" and " interesting " read.

[jimjamuser]

It saddens me, but MA as well but only in certain communities by ordinance. My own personal protest is to just patronize stores in towns that still offer the choice. Which is all I want. I dont like mandates
Interesting about "mandates". People in 1960 did NOT like the government MANDATE to put seat belts in cars and to USE them. That has saved many lives. Some of us may be alive today because our parents "buckled up". A mandate to disallow plastic grocery bags that was passed today would be COMPLETELY forgotten by 2030. Everything that the government does is not necessarily "BAD". Sometimes it takes years to be proven CORRECT.

[Shipping up to Boston]

To address the point and not the poster ;)

I found this interesting and I know it’s Wiki but very topical....

Mandate (politics) - Wikipedia (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjZ9KHF2ZSFAxUjmIkEHYl3AIsQmhN6BAgHEA4&usg=AOvVaw0C3sqCl5IpMQHmZ0M_NVUe)

I guess my point is if the country, which it is, split 50/50 politically, then this link as written and as it relates to mandates....to the victor goes the spoils!

[bgalasso]

Plastic bags are bad at the grocery store…Hummmm
Isn’t milk in a plastic container, plastic bags for produce, plastic bottles for juice, plastic bottles for salad dressings, plastic containers for spring mix lettuce.
Deodorant, shampoo, conditioner…plastic containers, napkins, paper dishes, paper towels, toilet tissue, all in plastic wrappings. All the meats are on Styrofoam and wrapped in plastic wrap. The Medicines and vitamins we all take, plastic bottles….

[LeRoySmith]

I believe that glass bottles ARE better than plastic. I believe that glass goes back to nature (deteriorates) faster than plastic containers. Another advantage crushed glass can be used in concrete. Also we would have less of this micro-particle problem that we have been discussing.

They've made it very difficult to recycle glass containers in east Tennessee. I guess the cost of recycling was higher than the worth of the end product would support. You can still take them to a few recycle centers and pay to drop them off, this has had the affect of less products at the local stores being sold in glass. stinks

[Shipping up to Boston]

They've made it very difficult to recycle glass containers in east Tennessee. I guess the cost of recycling was higher than the worth of the end product would support. You can still take them to a few recycle centers and pay to drop them off, this has had the affect of less products at the local stores being sold in glass. stinks

Which to that specific lobby, is their ultimate goal.

[fdpaq0580]

Interesting about "mandates". People in 1960 did NOT like the government MANDATE to put seat belts in cars and to USE them. That has saved many lives. Some of us may be alive today because our parents "buckled up". A mandate to disallow plastic grocery bags that was passed today would be COMPLETELY forgotten by 2030. Everything that the government does is not necessarily "BAD". Sometimes it takes years to be proven CORRECT.

Very true. At the time people were screaming about their freedom being taken away. Same when lines were drawn in roads and you had to stay on your own side. Same for stop signs and traffic lights. And drivers licenses. And,,, the list is endless.

[fdpaq0580]

I guess my point is if the country, which it is, split 50/50 politically, then this link as written and as it relates to mandates....to the victor goes the spoils!

In any difference of opinion, political, sports, etc. Where or when there is any type of competition.

[Stu from NYC]

Plastic bags are bad at the grocery store…Hummmm
Isn’t milk in a plastic container, plastic bags for produce, plastic bottles for juice, plastic bottles for salad dressings, plastic containers for spring mix lettuce.
Deodorant, shampoo, conditioner…plastic containers, napkins, paper dishes, paper towels, toilet tissue, all in plastic wrappings. All the meats are on Styrofoam and wrapped in plastic wrap. The Medicines and vitamins we all take, plastic bottles….

Some people think all of those uses for plastics are ok, it is the plastic bags that are evil.

Still shaking my head over this.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Very true. At the time people were screaming about their freedom being taken away. Same when lines were drawn in roads and you had to stay on your own side. Same for stop signs and traffic lights. And drivers licenses. And,,, the list is endless.

Yup....and Prohibition (how’d that one work out?!) Some work, some don’t. And some people never forget and push back. Love democracy!

[Lea N]

I already wrote a comment but had to add my 2 cents again for what it's worth. Bottom line for stores is profit. I don't believe they give a hoot about consumers using plastic bags just the savings to them if customers supply their own bags, or better yet purchase reusable ones from them.

[firefighter4u]

I'm amazed that "other states" ban them. And by "other states" I assume it's California (no surprise there). Thank God Florida has some rational lawmakers. The Graduate, 1967, "I want to say one word to you, Benjamin. Just one word.---Plastics"
Or more germane to that post, "Chicken Little, the sky is falling" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Nobody likes mandates that don't support their own preferences. But, sometimes, its in the the best interests of us all.

we have bigger plastic problem that just plastic bags.

[coffeebean]

Got a link to that?

This is one of many videos on the subject of cleaning up the oceans and waterways of plastics.

https://youtu.be/Pv1Otdg4fok?si=j0hhtXP1pBwREF31

[Shipping up to Boston]

If it were a vote-able question on a Fl. ballot , I would vote to ban plastic grocery bags.

You know a ballot initiative/referendum on a plastic bag ban....in FL, would be defeated soundly. You know that.

On the flip side, in MD and MA, it would pass comfortably.

[coffeebean]

I second that sir!

I raise my hand to that too.

[Djean1981]

We reuse our plastic bags from the store to double bag food, bones, etc. Biodegradable plastic grocery bags have been available for a while. Sometimes, there's a small charge for them. I'm surprised they're not available around here..

[Shipping up to Boston]

We reuse our plastic bags from the store to double bag food, bones, etc. Biodegradable plastic grocery bags have been available for a while. Sometimes, there's a small charge for them. I'm surprised they're not available around here..

My point exactly several days ago on this. The larger issue is whatever we’re given or charged for should be strong enough to support the items we purchased. The bonus with the bags you’ve referenced is that they have a multitude of uses after the fact

[coffeebean]

But would this actually work? Rather than a deli case full of see-through packages of cheeses and meats you would prefer a case full of opaque, white wrappers? Or are you truly going back to old school and doing away with all prepackaged deli items in favor of a longer line at the deli counter?

The deli counter could absolutely use paper rather than plastic to wrap your freshly-sliced items but I don't see how this could work for the bulk of the prepackaged items in the deli case.

I really appreciate the "zip lock" plastic bags the deli uses to package my freshly cut cold cuts meats and cheese. You can not lock out the air with paper wrapping. Those "zip lock" bags keep our food fresher longer. Paper will not do that.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I really appreciate the "zip lock" plastic bags the deli uses to package my freshly cut cold cuts meats and cheese. You can not lock out the air with paper wrapping. Those "zip lock" bags keep our food fresher longer. Paper will not do that.

Shhhhhh.... ;)

[cjrjck]

Funny how people who do not worship at the alter of "Science" tology want their doctors to have studied the science of medicine, and their engineers to use science in designing safer cars, jets, roads, buildings and bridges. Apparently science is your enemy when it conflicts with your political or religious or ethnic or other ingrained or learned opinions.

The beauty of science is it does not depend on faith, it depends on evidence and admits that such evidence should always be open to challenge, reinterpretation, revision and even replacement. So not even scientists worship science. They respect its process and admire its evidence based conclusions.

What science once was and what it had become are two different things. Today it is a cult. You appear to be part of that cult. I support your right to your religious beliefs. They are not mine, and I believe in the end they will lead to your doom, but that is my belief and yet I support your decision and your right. We can live in harmony for the little time we have left until our eternal destiny is decided.

[JMintzer]

I didn't know for certain it's from Asia, I wish I had your level of confidence in that.

From our resident Climate Change Chicken Little...

"Scientific evidence points to Asia as being the main contributor of rubbish to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch..."

Plastic Island in the Pacific Ocean, the Seventh Continent - Iberdrola (https://www.iberdrola.com/sustainability/plastic-island-in-pacific-eighth-continent#:~:text=Lying%20between%20California%20a nd%20Hawaii,of%20marine%20animals%20each%20year)

[JMintzer]

She can tell what state you are from due to your dialect and pronounciation.

Nonsense...

[JMintzer]

The way to stop mass murders is require all guns for civilians to be single shot. Police then confiscate all multiple magazine guns and buy some back until there is mostly single shot. Then the mass murders will decrease. Australia did something along those lines with GREAT SUCCESS!

More nonsense...

A single shot gun is useless in personal defense...

Australia did nothing like that... And their violent crime actually went up after their gun confiscation.

Yes, they didn't have many mass shooting after their confiscations. BUT, they also didn't have many BEFORE their confiscation...

[JMintzer]

Note to self.......paper condoms! That will work.

Is that what they mean when they call someone a "two b a g g e r"? :D


Edit to add: You can't type "******"? Really?

[JMintzer]

Too late. In the interest of transparency, I’ve been ‘warned’ by the moderator. I don’t agree with the action but like most forums I suspect, there is little one can do about it. I have seen some ‘interesting’ posts on TOTV by multiple authors who have truly gone out of their way to ‘insult’ the individual(s) whom they have disagreements with......I don’t believe that is the case here. In fact, I pride myself on being creative, original and self deprecating at times.....always without any malice. I guess it’s just one of those things like the lady said “methinks doth protest too much”

Too late, you now have a "target" on your back...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Dfv3uVkAobezh.jpg

[jump4]

Are there more microplastics in the food chain or have we gotten better at detecting them and picked this as the next focus for our hysteria?

In either case, isn't this still a reason for concern?

[Bill14564]

In either case, isn't this still a reason for concern?

If we are just better at detecting and the microplastics have been there for decades then are they really a growing problem?

[jimjamuser]

You know a ballot initiative/referendum on a plastic bag ban....in FL, would be defeated soundly. You know that.

On the flip side, in MD and MA, it would pass comfortably.
Yes, that is likely true. I form my opinions and utmost confidence that I am right.........at least 90% of the time.

[jimjamuser]

We reuse our plastic bags from the store to double bag food, bones, etc. Biodegradable plastic grocery bags have been available for a while. Sometimes, there's a small charge for them. I'm surprised they're not available around here..
I am NOT very surprised. YOU are living in a somewhat backward leaning area. You can prove that by the preponderance of gasoline golf carts vs E-golf carts. And the LOUD, howling gasoline vs Electric lawnmowers here.

[jimjamuser]

In either case, isn't this still a reason for concern?
That is a BIG, FAT YES !

[Shipping up to Boston]

Too late, you now have a "target" on your back...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Dfv3uVkAobezh.jpg

Are those MD deer...a couple of chunkasaurus'!

[Dusty_Star]

To get back on topic, my only point about this thread is that Florida doesn't need a state law banning plastic grocery bags.

Whoo hoo! Your are 100% correct. Florida does not need a state law banning certain grocery bags. Anyone concerned can bring their own bags. I see many people doing just that & frequently do so myself. Though admittedly more in my case for the thermal properties of my bags to keep my shopping fresh & cool.

[Stu from NYC]

I am NOT very surprised. YOU are living in a somewhat backward leaning area. You can prove that by the preponderance of gasoline golf carts vs E-golf carts. And the LOUD, howling gasoline vs Electric lawnmowers here.

Interesting comment. You have previously indicated you do not drive an EV.

Are you driving an E cart?

Or is this another case of do as I say not as I do. Asking for a friend.

[rsimpson]

I am amazed that Florida still allows the use of plastic bags in grocery stores. So many other states have banned it. We now have microplastics (very small plastic particles) in our agriculture soil, ocean and just about anywhere you can think of. There are so many studies that verify the dangers of plastics and I cringe every time I go to the grocery store and see 10-20-30 plastic bags per cart. Just one Publics said they can go through thousands of plastic bags in a day. Here is one link that talks about how serious this problem has gotten. It's our new DDT.How microplastics are infiltrating the food you eat (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230103-how-plastic-is-getting-into-our-food) . There are now studies beiing done of earthworms ingesting micro-plastics. ScienceDirect (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969721061003)


India and China put more plastic (bags,straws,etc.) into the Ocean than all other nations COMBINED. When you get them to STOP, I will worry about by grocery transport methods.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

One of the biggest sources of microplastics is the washing of synthetic fabrics. Plastic bags are chump change.

[mickey100]

If we are just better at detecting and the microplastics have been there for decades then are they really a growing problem?

Well they could very well be a growing problem. One thing that is happening is that the rate of cancer in younger people is rising dramatically. The global incidence of early-onset cancer increased by 79.1% and early-onset cancer deaths rose by 27.7% from 1990 to 2019, a 2023 study in the journal BMJ Oncology found. Plastics in our food? Exposure to pesticides in our environment and our food? Ultraprocessed foods? Sugary drinks? Lack of physical activity? Researchers don't know at this point. If I was in that age group, I wouldn't be burying my head in the sand, I would try to eat safely, with common sense, trying to avoid where possible, things that could certainly be carcinogenic. Plastics and pesticides certainly come to mind. Researchers have found that microplastics damage human cells, decrease reproductive health and disrupt the endocrine system. A couple of obvious things to avoid - bottled water; microwaving food in plastic containers; use organic foods whenever available.

[thelegges]

Gotta chuckle they want to control plastic bags that carry home your plastic butter tubs, ketchup bottles, spaghetti sauce, mustard, milk bottles, pill bottles, bacon wrappers, self-service meat items, and hundreds of other products in plastic containers. Sounds like another opportunity for a Biden tax based on usage!

Political posts are not allowed.

Maybe older gen buy plastic tubs of generic junk, Then again eating processed food plastic is the least of problems. Well not at most ages here way too late to bother changing habits. At this late in the game nothing is going to improve lifeline.

Our family
Butter in wax paper, sauce, mustard, milk in glass,
All meat is wrapped in butcher paper, from the farm
Laundry soap comes in sheets or bar in box

Plastic in our house is less than 17%. It not about change our whole life we raised, can, or froze food. Mt guess is 80% of residents in TV have eaten processed food their whole life, so plastic is just a norm for many

[fdpaq0580]

we have bigger plastic problem that just plastic bags.

Agree! But you have to start somewhere. If plastic bags is the first step, the impact on society will be no big deal. Can't get much simpler change to adapt to. One small change for a man or woman. One large benefit for mankind!

[fdpaq0580]

You know a ballot initiative/referendum on a plastic bag ban....in FL, would be defeated soundly. You know that.

On the flip side, in MD and MA, it would pass comfortably.

Actually, no one knows it until it has been tried. You might be surprised. Or not. But until it is actually tried, it is still unknown.

[fdpaq0580]

From our resident Climate Change Chicken Little...


Tsk, tsk. Name calling makes one appear, well, you know.

[fdpaq0580]

Nonsense...

Sense. Most certainly.

[retiredguy123]

Actually, no one knows it until it has been tried. You might be surprised. Or not. But until it is actually tried, it is still unknown.
No one is stopping anyone from bringing reusable bags into a grocery store. So, what is the problem?

[Caymus]

Actually, no one knows it until it has been tried. You might be surprised. Or not. But until it is actually tried, it is still unknown.

The states that people are fleeing have eliminated the bags.

[Bill14564]

No one is stopping anyone from bringing reusable bags into a grocery store. So, what is the problem?

There is still a choice. As long as there is a choice, someone is going to make the wrong choice and do the wrong thing. We can't have people doing the wrong thing. We can't allow choices. (Gross generalization, not my personal feelings)

[fdpaq0580]

No one is stopping anyone from bringing reusable bags into a grocery store. So, what is the problem?

For some, no problem. Others want plastic bags provided. There in lies the concern. That the ubiquitous plastic grocery bag may go the way of the dodo In a move to help clean up the environment. Pick a side and join the discussion.

[jimjamuser]

One of the biggest sources of microplastics is the washing of synthetic fabrics. Plastic bags are chump change.
I believe that the LINK we read said otherwise - basically that plastic bags were a big part of the islands of plastic in the Gulf and the Pacific Ocean.

[jimjamuser]

The states that people are fleeing have eliminated the bags.
When new arriving Floridians that want to be all year residents - feel the summer HEAT and humidity and the reality of hurricanes - they will be "fleeing back up north". Also, many people are NOT aware that hurricanes in the vicinity of TV Land then SPAWN out tornadoes, which are more dangerous than the hurricanes.

[LeRoySmith]

Here's another interesting article about the trash island in the Pacific (1 of 5 around the world).

10 interesting facts about the Great Pacific Garbage Patch (https://eradicateplastic.com/10-interesting-facts-about-the-great-pacific-garbage-patch/)

There's a close up picture of the floating plastic and it's mostly chunks, not bags, but it sounds like the fragile plastic breaks down into small pieces quickly. They say 74% of the diet of sea turtles within the GPGP consists of plastic debris and 46% of the island is fishing nets. They also say they are going to have 90% of the floating stuff cleaned up in the next 15 to 20 years but most of it isn't floating.

I can't guess to the accuracy as it is written by Eradicate Plastic, they may be biased.

[ThirdOfFive]

There is still a choice. As long as there is a choice, someone is going to make the wrong choice and do the wrong thing. We can't have people doing the wrong thing. We can't allow choices. (Gross generalization, not my personal feelings)
One word.

Legislature.

If people feel strongly enough about something, then approach your legislator and make your feelings known. If enough people who feel as strongly approach THEIR legislators and make their like feelings known, then in time legislative action may be taken with possibly a law passed that reflects those strong feelings. And, of course, if the governor of the state under discussion agrees, he or she will sign it into law. Otherwise, my condolences on their passionate, albeit fruitless, efforts.

It is the way things work in America. Of the people, by the people, and for the people. No minority, no matter how strongly they feel about something, gets to thwart the will of the majority.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Actually, no one knows it until it has been tried. You might be surprised. Or not. But until it is actually tried, it is still unknown.

True
Except you had a recent 'mandate' that was widely rejected by the majority of Floridians, TV no exception.....as a sample. You're in the wrong state for this type of governance.

[Bill14564]

One word.

Legislature.

If people feel strongly enough about something, then approach your legislator and make your feelings known. If enough people who feel as strongly approach THEIR legislators and make their like feelings known, then in time legislative action may be taken with possibly a law passed that reflects those strong feelings. And, of course, if the governor of the state under discussion agrees, he or she will sign it into law. Otherwise, my condolences on their passionate, albeit fruitless, efforts.

It is the way things work in America. Of the people, by the people, and for the people. No minority, no matter how strongly they feel about something, gets to thwart the will of the majority.

That discussion makes my point.

I'm thinking of two phrases, one is "tyranny of the majority" and the other gets a little to close to the line to mention in this post.

[retiredguy123]

For some, no problem. Others want plastic bags provided. There in lies the concern. That the ubiquitous plastic grocery bag may go the way of the dodo In a move to help clean up the environment. Pick a side and join the discussion.
Plastic grocery bags may eventually become obsolete. But, there are about 10 Publix stores in The Villages area and I shop at one at least 4 times per week. Publix is the most successful grocery store in the area, if not in the state. My unscientific estimate is that at least 80 percent of customers rely on the free plastic bags to transport their groceries. I don't think it is anywhere near time to force those shoppers to change their habits just because a minority has an environmental agenda.

[Velvet]

There is still a choice. As long as there is a choice, someone is going to make the wrong choice and do the wrong thing. We can't have people doing the wrong thing. We can't allow choices. (Gross generalization, not my personal feelings)

Lol exactly Communist thinking. And who decided what is the wrong choice? The dictator/head party member.

[MrFlorida]

Why do people who come to Florida want to make it like the state they just fled from ?

[Shipping up to Boston]

Why do people who come to Florida want to make it like the state they just fled from ?

You forgot other countries too. Just sayin'

[thelegges]

When new arriving Floridians that want to be all year residents - feel the summer HEAT and humidity and the reality of hurricanes - they will be "fleeing back up north". Also, many people are NOT aware that hurricanes in the vicinity of TV Land then SPAWN out tornadoes, which are more dangerous than the hurricanes.

So your thoughts are everyone (MANY) who ups a house anywhere in Florida, has never researched, visited, watched or read news. Or has been living underground for all of their lives, until breaking out of their hole to immediately drive to Florida buy a house, then live in fear.

Where does one get such information, or are you on the committee that counts those who are fleeing.

Or the committee who feels many who have experienced tornadoes in other states need to fear Florida tornadoes because that cause more destruction :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Velvet]

You forgot other countries too. Just sayin'

Yes, people now and historically came to this country for their freedom. That doesn’t mean they are not part of a community but it means they expect respect for the individual.
(Generally, people don’t like others to do the thinking for them.)

[jimjamuser]

So your thoughts are everyone (MANY) who ups a house anywhere in Florida, has never researched, visited, watched or read news. Or has been living underground for all of their lives, until breaking out of their hole to immediately drive to Florida buy a house, then live in fear.

Where does one get such information, or are you on the committee that counts those who are fleeing.

Or the committee who feels many who have experienced tornadoes in other states need to fear Florida tornadoes because that cause more destruction :1rotfl::1rotfl:
I stand by my opinions. I think that Florida will disappoint a lot of people after they have been here for awhile and spent summers here. i can imagine many bought homes here and have NEVER been bitten by a fire ant. That is an interesting, NEW experience for them! And then when the wife in the family goes to start her car in her garage and steps on a snake (maybe poisonous). That's an experience that most people living in Florida for ten years have had. And walking their dog near a lake and meeting Florida's famous mascot - the GATOR.......won't that be a nice 1st time thrill?
......And the sink holes in the streets are getting bigger as the air is hotter and holds more water vapor - and thus more rain (like TODAY). Also more traffic on 441 and other highways as the Florida population increases. And the insurance increases.
......And I won't even mention that in 5 to 10 years people in Miami and both coasts will be relocating northward due to ocean rise and MORE insurance cost increases.
..........I hope that people see that ALL Florida problems (of which the inadvertent polluting of lakes and the Gulf with plastic grocery bags and styrafoam) is just ONE of many caused by too much population pressure. And the mistaken idea that MORE is better. It is NOT the MORE of everything that should be SOUGHT, but rather that point of MAXIMUM PROSPERITY and happiness for the average person.

[biker1]

Being bitten by a fire ant is now an issue? It is probably best you stay inside glued to your keyboard with the caps lock key engaged.

I stand by my opinions. I think that Florida will disappoint a lot of people after they have been here for awhile and spent summers here. i can imagine many bought homes here and have NEVER been bitten by a fire ant. That is an interesting, NEW experience for them! And then when the wife in the family goes to start her car in her garage and steps on a snake (maybe poisonous). That's an experience that most people living in Florida for ten years have had. And walking their dog near a lake and meeting Florida's famous mascot - the GATOR.......won't that be a nice 1st time thrill?
......And the sink holes in the streets are getting bigger as the air is hotter and holds more water vapor - and thus more rain (like TODAY). Also more traffic on 441 and other highways as the Florida population increases. And the insurance increases.
......And I won't even mention that in 5 to 10 years people in Miami and both coasts will be relocating northward due to ocean rise and MORE insurance cost increases.
..........I hope that people see that ALL Florida problems (of which the inadvertent polluting of lakes and the Gulf with plastic grocery bags and styrafoam) is just ONE of many caused by too much population pressure. And the mistaken idea that MORE is better. It is NOT the MORE of everything that should be SOUGHT, but rather that point of MAXIMUM PROSPERITY and happiness for the average person.

[jimjamuser]

Lol exactly Communist thinking. And who decided what is the wrong choice? The dictator/head party member.
I wonder if communism DECIDED that seat belts in cars saved lives and that should be a law. Seems like everyone likes that idea NOW. They did NOT when it was 1st proposed. There are MANY other similar examples. Such as should plastic bags be allowed in grocery stores?

[jimjamuser]

You forgot other countries too. Just sayin'
That IS the BIGGER problem because it increases the population of Florida and the US and will undermine middle class recent gains. Now on a more GRANULAR level, more people in Florida means more plastic pollution of the grocery bag kind or ANY other plastic ending up in our lake, Gulf, or Ocean.

[LeRoySmith]

I stand by my opinions. I think that Florida will disappoint a lot of people after they have been here for awhile and spent summers here. i can imagine many bought homes here and have NEVER been bitten by a fire ant. That is an interesting, NEW experience for them! And then when the wife in the family goes to start her car in her garage and steps on a snake (maybe poisonous). That's an experience that most people living in Florida for ten years have had. And walking their dog near a lake and meeting Florida's famous mascot - the GATOR.......won't that be a nice 1st time thrill?
......And the sink holes in the streets are getting bigger as the air is hotter and holds more water vapor - and thus more rain (like TODAY). Also more traffic on 441 and other highways as the Florida population increases. And the insurance increases.
......And I won't even mention that in 5 to 10 years people in Miami and both coasts will be relocating northward due to ocean rise and MORE insurance cost increases.
..........I hope that people see that ALL Florida problems (of which the inadvertent polluting of lakes and the Gulf with plastic grocery bags and styrafoam) is just ONE of many caused by too much population pressure. And the mistaken idea that MORE is better. It is NOT the MORE of everything that should be SOUGHT, but rather that point of MAXIMUM PROSPERITY and happiness for the average person.

Stanley North Dakota: cool summers, no alligators, no Gulf of Mexico, no sink holes, no fire ants, no gators, very few venomous snakes, 2000 people so little population pressure, no TOTV so no one to aggravate anyone, no grocery stores so fewer plastic bags, low housing and insurance rates.....

[retiredguy123]

I wonder if communism DECIDED that seat belts in cars saved lives and that should be a law. Seems like everyone likes that idea NOW. They did NOT when it was 1st proposed. There are MANY other similar examples. Such as should plastic bags be allowed in grocery stores?
Huge difference between seat belts and plastic bags. If a vehicle was made without seat belts, there wasn't much choice to use one. But, no one is being forced to use or to not use plastic bags. Everyone has a choice.

[margaretmattson]

Political posts are not allowed.

Maybe older gen buy plastic tubs of generic junk, Then again eating processed food plastic is the least of problems. Well not at most ages here way too late to bother changing habits. At this late in the game nothing is going to improve lifeline.

Our family
Butter in wax paper, sauce, mustard, milk in glass,
All meat is wrapped in butcher paper, from the farm
Laundry soap comes in sheets or bar in box

Plastic in our house is less than 17%. It not about change our whole life we raised, can, or froze food. Mt guess is 80% of residents in TV have eaten processed food their whole life, so plastic is just a norm for manyWhere do you buy your medicine? What type of car do you drive? I can go on... Plastic is everywhere! No sense in blaming eating habits. Have you gone home to home counting how much processed food is in our cabinets and refrigerators? Most of us are old enough to understand it is bad for us. Instead, we eat an abundance of fresh food. Don't believe it? You can start your processed food count at my house.

Please share where in the Villages you buy butter in waxed paper and which local farm you go to for meat wrapped in butcher paper.

[Bwanajim]

I am amazed that Florida still allows the use of plastic bags in grocery stores. So many other states have banned it. We now have microplastics (very small plastic particles) in our agriculture soil, ocean and just about anywhere you can think of. There are so many studies that verify the dangers of plastics and I cringe every time I go to the grocery store and see 10-20-30 plastic bags per cart. Just one Publics said they can go through thousands of plastic bags in a day. Here is one link that talks about how serious this problem has gotten. It's our new DDT.How microplastics are infiltrating the food you eat (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230103-how-plastic-is-getting-into-our-food) . There are now studies beiing done of earthworms ingesting micro-plastics. ScienceDirect (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969721061003)

I USE them all. I use them for garbage cans in the bathroom & bedroom. Pick up dog poop. And other uses.

[mickey100]

Tsk, tsk. Name calling makes one appear, well, you know.
Yup, we know who they are, and they make themselves look foolish every time.

[JMintzer]

Tsk, tsk. Name calling makes one appear, well, you know.

I didn't specify anyone... You really shouldn't assume things...

[JMintzer]

Sense. Most certainly.

Brilliant retort...

[Velvet]

I wonder if communism DECIDED that seat belts in cars saved lives and that should be a law. Seems like everyone likes that idea NOW. They did NOT when it was 1st proposed. There are MANY other similar examples. Such as should plastic bags be allowed in grocery stores?

There is a difference between what a dictator mandates and what a majority supports. Notice I always write Communism with a capital because I am referring to their actual practices in life as compared to the ideology. In practice Communism is a dictatorship (by the party or the head of the party).

[JMintzer]

I stand by my opinions. I think that Florida will disappoint a lot of people after they have been here for awhile and spent summers here. i can imagine many bought homes here and have NEVER been bitten by a fire ant. That is an interesting, NEW experience for them! And then when the wife in the family goes to start her car in her garage and steps on a snake (maybe poisonous). That's an experience that most people living in Florida for ten years have had. And walking their dog near a lake and meeting Florida's famous mascot - the GATOR.......won't that be a nice 1st time thrill?
......And the sink holes in the streets are getting bigger as the air is hotter and holds more water vapor - and thus more rain (like TODAY). Also more traffic on 441 and other highways as the Florida population increases. And the insurance increases.
......And I won't even mention that in 5 to 10 years people in Miami and both coasts will be relocating northward due to ocean rise and MORE insurance cost increases.
..........I hope that people see that ALL Florida problems (of which the inadvertent polluting of lakes and the Gulf with plastic grocery bags and styrafoam) is just ONE of many caused by too much population pressure. And the mistaken idea that MORE is better. It is NOT the MORE of everything that should be SOUGHT, but rather that point of MAXIMUM PROSPERITY and happiness for the average person.

Yet you're still here...

[Shipping up to Boston]

There is a difference between what a dictator mandates and what a majority supports. Notice I always write Communism with a capital because I am referring to their actual practices in life as compared to the ideology.

Just for reference....where is the mandate you speak of? This TOTV topic is a discussion...a very small sample size and unless I'm mistaken, I've not seen any ballot initiative on this issue in FL.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Yet you're still here...

I see what you did there! A little cross thread work. Golf clap!

[fdpaq0580]

Stanley North Dakota: cool summers, no alligators, no Gulf of Mexico, no sink holes, no fire ants, no gators, very few venomous snakes, 2000 people so little population pressure, no TOTV so no one to aggravate anyone, no grocery stores so fewer plastic bags, low housing and insurance rates.....

Stanley, huh? Your own little slice of Heaven? Or are you a developer with lots to sell?

No grocery stores? Really? How is that working out for the folks that live there? We are not farmers. Nor are we hunter/gatherers. But we still like to eat once in a while.

[fdpaq0580]

I didn't specify anyone... You really shouldn't assume things...

Good thing you didn't. The moderator might have got ya.
And I know I shouldn't ass-u-me, but sometimes I just can't help myself.

[fdpaq0580]

The states that people are fleeing have eliminated the bags.

To run away from your home just because of lack of plastic bags seems rather silly to me. Maybe, deep down, they really didn't like where they lived all that much.

[Velvet]

Just for reference....where is the mandate you speak of? This TOTV topic is a discussion...a very small sample size and unless I'm mistaken, I've not seen any ballot initiative on this issue in FL.

I was thinking theoretically (since politics are not allowed).

[LeRoySmith]

Stanley, huh? Your own little slice of Heaven? Or are you a developer with lots to sell?

No grocery stores? Really? How is that working out for the folks that live there? We are not farmers. Nor are we hunter/gatherers. But we still like to eat once in a while.

I've got no knowledge of Stanley ND. Just trying to be a smarta$$ to Jim. And you're raining on my way blanket.

[fdpaq0580]

There is still a choice. As long as there is a choice, someone is going to make the wrong choice and do the wrong thing. We can't have people doing the wrong thing. We can't allow choices. (Gross generalization, not my personal feelings)

Oh! Yeah! I see what you mean. (Wink,wink. Nudge, nudge). No wrong choices, yeah! 😉😉🤭

[Shipping up to Boston]

To run away from your home just because of lack of plastic bags seems rather silly to me. Maybe, deep down, they really didn't like where they lived all that much.

Or where they live now....is this a confession?

[fdpaq0580]

Plastic grocery bags may eventually become obsolete. But, there are about 10 Publix stores in The Villages area and I shop at one at least 4 times per week. Publix is the most successful grocery store in the area, if not in the state. My unscientific estimate is that at least 80 percent of customers rely on the free plastic bags to transport their groceries. I don't think it is anywhere near time to force those shoppers to change their habits just because a minority has an environmental agenda.

I understand your point of view because for many years We used them and reused them till they broke or got "funky" or gunky. So, I say, let them fight it out!
Ladies and gentlemen and the billions around the world!
On my right, sporting the old, holey, faded boxer shorts and spotted undershirt and fighting to continue using plastic bags is The Hell with the planet, I don't wanna have to change!
On my left, sporting newly recycled cotton yoga pants and bamboo t-shirt, hoping to upset the old mindset and reset it to CleanUpTheTrash is the challenger, A Healthier and Cleaner World for All.
"LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE,"

Odds makers show that in the short run, The Hell with the planet, I don't wanna have to change will start off deflecting the growing strength and youth of A Healthier and Cleaner world for all. But, as the contest goes into the next few rounds "Don't wanna have to change" will be warn down by ever growing concern for Mother Earth and ultimately plastics will be seen for the problems and risks they pose. Ultimately, the victory will go to a Healthier and Cleaner World For All.

I didn't go into the bloody details ( concern for the impressionable child minds that might be watching).
"Eco-warriers", people who actually care about the health and longevity of our planet have always been taunted, called names like "tree hugger",chicken Little, and though abused and made fun of, eventually the truth about the dark side of everything they challenge ends up in the light. New laws are created and most everyone a generation along understands the foolishness and lack of vision and refusal take responsibility for their errors of the past. Eco-warriers lose some battles, but, ultimately they win the war. What is in the best interest of our planet is also in the long term best interest of humans. Plastic is here. Plastic provides many good things. But plastic has a dark side. A deadly and dangerous side. Beware, if you care.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I understand your point of view because for many years We used them and reused them till they broke or got "funky" or gunky. So, I say, let them fight it out!
Ladies and gentlemen and the billions around the world!
On my right, sporting the old, holey, faded boxer shorts and spotted undershirt and fighting to continue using plastic bags is The Hell with the planet, I don't wanna have to change!
On my left, sporting newly recycled cotton yoga pants and bamboo t-shirt, hoping to upset the old mindset and reset it to CleanUpTheTrash is the challenger, A Healthier and Cleaner World for All.
"LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE,"

Odds makers show that in the short run, The Hell with the planet, I don't wanna have to change will start off deflecting the growing strength and youth of A Healthier and Cleaner world for all. But, as the contest goes into the next few rounds "Don't wanna have to change" will be warn down by ever growing concern for Mother Earth and ultimately plastics will be seen for the problems and risks they pose. Ultimately, the victory will go to a Healthier and Cleaner World For All.

I didn't go into the bloody details ( concern for the impressionable child minds that might be watching).
"Eco-warriers", people who actually care about the health and longevity of our planet have always been taunted, called names like "tree hugger",chicken Little, and though abused and made fun of, eventually the truth about the dark side of everything they challenge ends up in the light. New laws are created and most everyone a generation along understands the foolishness and lack of vision and refusal take responsibility for their errors of the past. Eco-warriers lose some battles, but, ultimately they win the war. What is in the best interest of our planet is also in the long term best interest of humans. Plastic is here. Plastic provides many good things. But plastic has a dark side. A deadly and dangerous side. Beware, if you care.

Somebody need a hug!

[jimjamuser]

I understand your point of view because for many years We used them and reused them till they broke or got "funky" or gunky. So, I say, let them fight it out!
Ladies and gentlemen and the billions around the world!
On my right, sporting the old, holey, faded boxer shorts and spotted undershirt and fighting to continue using plastic bags is The Hell with the planet, I don't wanna have to change!
On my left, sporting newly recycled cotton yoga pants and bamboo t-shirt, hoping to upset the old mindset and reset it to CleanUpTheTrash is the challenger, A Healthier and Cleaner World for All.
"LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE,"

Odds makers show that in the short run, The Hell with the planet, I don't wanna have to change will start off deflecting the growing strength and youth of A Healthier and Cleaner world for all. But, as the contest goes into the next few rounds "Don't wanna have to change" will be warn down by ever growing concern for Mother Earth and ultimately plastics will be seen for the problems and risks they pose. Ultimately, the victory will go to a Healthier and Cleaner World For All.

I didn't go into the bloody details ( concern for the impressionable child minds that might be watching).
"Eco-warriers", people who actually care about the health and longevity of our planet have always been taunted, called names like "tree hugger",chicken Little, and though abused and made fun of, eventually the truth about the dark side of everything they challenge ends up in the light. New laws are created and most everyone a generation along understands the foolishness and lack of vision and refusal take responsibility for their errors of the past. Eco-warriers lose some battles, but, ultimately they win the war. What is in the best interest of our planet is also in the long term best interest of humans. Plastic is here. Plastic provides many good things. But plastic has a dark side. A deadly and dangerous side. Beware, if you care.
That was interesting and clever.

[fdpaq0580]

somebody need a hug!

yes! Please! 😶🙄🤕

[fdpaq0580]

That was interesting and clever.

Thank you! Does that qualify as a rant? Or just extemporaneous rambling of a crazy old man that loves his home planet and only remembers (maybe a bit hazily) better times?

[Shipping up to Boston]

yes! Please! 😶🙄🤕

I actually enjoy your posts. Definitely don't agree a lot but except for our 'West Side Story' posts (which got me a slap on the wrist by feelings police....yet still remains for posterity)....you at least make an acceptable (not convincing) argument