Future Cart Path to Kohls 441?

[Boudicca]

I do not drive a car, and currently use my golf cart From Buttonwooed to Morse to Rio Grande, then access the parking lot at Target. I park the cart and walk across Rolling Acres Rd for shopping excoursions to stores the "other" side of the Target, Pier One mall. Does anyone know if a future cart path will be established utilizing Rolling Acres and 466? Just a thought as TV folks in charge of such development seem to have covered just about everything else we might enjoy. :clap2:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

FWIW - - - A prior thread on the same topic:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32806

Bill

[jebartle]

on a street legal....Problem solved...

[Mallory]

Doubt there will ever be a cart path for non street legal carts since Kohl's, Best Buy, etc. aren't on Villages property.

[Mikitv]

Only way would be if the developer of the shopping center would put in a bridge across the road.

[chuckinca]

Makes no sense that a small child on a bike with training wheels can cross from Pier 1 to the Best Buy/Kohl's plaza but an adult in a golf cart can't.


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[Texan]

I just don't buy the "can't", or "never will happen" sort of thing. I believe that enough people wanting the same thing (us) putting enough pressure on the people apparently in control (in this case the town of Lady Lake) and supported by someone very powerful (The Villages) can get anything reasonable done or changed. It may not happen overnight and certainly won't happen if we give up. Wasn't it back in early 2007 right here in The Villages that several hundred good folks got together at Buffalo Ridge and spelled out Kohls with their golf carts??? There are lots of businesses in that strip from Five-Guys to Kohls that depend on Villager's to stay in business. Let's figure out a way to let them know how much better business would be if we could get there on our golf carts!
You can't win if you don't play!!!

[Ohiogirl]

I would also love a tunnel or bridge across Rolling Acres, but in the meantime . . . Shrandell, where exactly do you cross on foot? Is it easier right at the intersection by the light or directly across from the ingress/egress area of the parking lot on Rolling Acres (is it the pet store that is on the end by Rolling Acres)?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

I would also love a tunnel or bridge across Rolling Acres, but in the meantime . . . Shrandell, where exactly do you cross on foot? Is it easier right at the intersection by the light or directly across from the ingress/egress area of the parking lot on Rolling Acres (is it the pet store that is on the end by Rolling Acres)?

Shrandell might have a different place to cross but Sandy and I park the cart directly across Rolling Acres from where Five Guys is located.........then try our best to walk/run frantically across Rolling Acres at that parking lot access intersection. Not the easiest thing to accomplish, particularly when there's any amount of traffic.

Bill

[Redtail]

add this to the long list of good things about a lsv over a golf cart!

[Boudicca]

Wish I WERE able to drive something other than a golf cart, but with extremely limited vision remaining, I am very grateful for the ability to at least stay mobile in familiar territory driving my cart. The "mad dash" across Rolling Acres, is achievable at the parking lot area on the corner of 441 and RA near Five Guys. I don't recommend it as its a very busy intersection. I agree with the Texan's thread, if we don't ask, we won't get. Appreciate the input. Sandra

[Mallory]

I'm sure that the stores in the Crossroads shopping center would love to have golf cart access but they made the decision to locate in a non-Villages area. Kohl's had the opportunity to be in Buffalo Ridge on Villages property and didn't take it. I don't see The Villages giving easy access to a competing business entity; it's a bad business decision and I wouldn't do it either.

[njbchbum]

i wonder how much $$ a "taxi" could make doing a circular route between the stores of one center and the stores of the other center! hmmmmmmm..... ;)

[ajbrown]

i wonder how much $$ a "taxi" could make doing a circular route between the stores of one center and the stores of the other center! hmmmmmmm..... ;)

Calls for a golf cart "ferry". A way to take you AND your golf cart across waters where a non LSV golf cart cannot travel.

[Shimpy]

Calls for a golf cart "ferry". A way to take you AND your golf cart across waters where a non LSV golf cart cannot travel.

I was thinking of a simple trailer holding a couple of carts. Might be a nice small business for someone. Could also go to Home Depot.

[golfnut]

shimpy, i agree but i am afraid the operative word is small, don't think there would be enuf demand to pay wages and cost of trailer, not mention loading and unloading time........gn

[chuckinca]

Sounds like a nice job for a retired bus driver.


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[redwitch]

From what I understand, the decision was Lady Lake's, not Morse, et al. to deny golf cart access. I've also been told that even street legal golf carts aren't allowed to cross Rolling Acres and can get a ticket if an officer is so inclined and that includes going to the Lady Lake Post Office, Home Depot and that shopping center. (I'm not swearing to this, but it was a Lady Lake Deputy Sheriff who told me this.)

[Boudicca]

I also heard that story about sl cars being ticketed. No doubt its also illegal to walk across the street (Rolling Acres) as there is no official . Its quite a frustration being oh so close, yet so far away........ Thankfully I DO have a husband willing to take me in a car when I don't feel up to the golf cart challenge. Also, kind and generous friends will give me a chauffered trip to 441 when necessary. I prefer to be independant when at all possible.

[Larryandlinda]

add this to the long list of good things about a lsv over a golf cart!

We have a 'regular' cart at one of our rentals and a GEM car at another, non of which we use.

The LSV needed complete insurance coverage (which DOUBLED this year!!!) and a tag, so we assume a driver's license is required??

As far as access goes, the development company's overall master plan was very careful to make sure cart access does not connect to non Villages
properties.
Behind Walmart the speed limit increases to dis-allow carts.
The assisted living center and 'Southwestern-Style Church" in the Buffalo Ridge area struck some kind of deal to keep a gate closed for strict control.

The Synagogue on a huge outparcel on 101 has a 'secret passageway' off Talley Ridge through a deal with the Villages.

We'll ask our LSV Battery question in the Cart Forum

L and L

[Boudicca]

Thank you two, for the good information. I never say "never", and will hang onto the slim (snowball's chance in h*ll) chance that one day, shops on the Kohls side of the highway will be cart accessible.

[gvsulakerfan]

there will not be golf cart access to properties that are not part of The Villages development. The only time to my knowledge that some sort of cart access was given to a property not part of the development was at Open Bible Church north of 466 over by Wal-Mart... even then it cannot directly connect to the main parking lot.

just think about how much complaining there would be if non-villagers were able to cruise around in golf carts, accessing cart paths paid for thru the amenity/vcdd funds...

[Regor]

just think about how much complaining there would be if non-villagers were able to cruise around in golf carts, accessing cart paths paid for thru the amenity/vcdd funds...

They already do! Lots of carts come from Stonecrest. Easy 10 minute trip to Spanish Springs and beyond.

[EdV]

..... I've also been told that even street legal golf carts aren't allowed to cross Rolling Acres and can get a ticket if an officer is so inclined and that includes going to the Lady Lake Post Office, Home Depot and that shopping center. (I'm not swearing to this, but it was a Lady Lake Deputy Sheriff who told me this.)

Red, that deputy must have been a rooky to have made those erroneous statements. Florida statute 316.2122 (http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/FileStores/Web/Statutes/FS07/CH0316/Section_0316.2122.HTM) allows LSVs to cross those streets legally. In fact, because the posted speed limit on Rolling Acres Road is 35mph, an LSV can legally drive on it, not just cross it.

Of course that statue also allows a county or municipality to prohibit LSV’s from crossing or driving on certain roads for safety reasons, but if that had been done, the signs that say “No golf carts beyond this point” would have been amended to include LSVs.

[chuckinca]

They already do! Lots of carts come from Stonecrest. Easy 10 minute trip to Spanish Springs and beyond.


Those are mostly Villages folk returning from Wally World, Bealls, Lowes, Aldi, etc etc etc.

Stonecrest folk drive their cars on the public roads that they help pay for in TV.


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[Regor]

Those are mostly Villages folk returning from Wally World, Bealls, Lowes, Aldi, etc etc etc.

Stonecrest folk drive their cars on the public roads that they help pay for in TV.


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That may be true but there are also lots and lots of their carts on both squares nightly. All you have to do is look at the dirt road between 7 an 9 nightly.

[Bogie Shooter]

We must build a wall at the border.

[BBQMan]

Roflol!!!!!

[chuckinca]

That may be true but there are also lots and lots of their carts on both squares nightly. All you have to do is look at the dirt road between 7 an 9 nightly.


Those are villagers going to wally world.

[EdV]

Those are villagers going to wally world.

Indeed, and those villagers are trespassing across private property owned by Mr. Ron Brown whose lavish home is nestled deep in the woods behind Lowes. TOTV members might want to think about that before accusing others of trespassing on their cart paths.

When I come into TV as I often do, I cross 441 onto Buenos Aires Blvd. by Lowes in my LSV. And it’s not to use TV amenities, it’s to access the hundreds of public stores, retail outlets, and medical facilities that line 441.

[golfnut]

red, if LSV's are allowed to travel on any road 35MPH and under why could they get a ticket for crossing Rolling Acres where the speed limit is 35MPH? gn

[Redtail]

From what I understand, the decision was Lady Lake's, not Morse, et al. to deny golf cart access. I've also been told that even street legal golf carts aren't allowed to cross Rolling Acres and can get a ticket if an officer is so inclined and that includes going to the Lady Lake Post Office, Home Depot and that shopping center. (I'm not swearing to this, but it was a Lady Lake Deputy Sheriff who told me this.)

i know this guy. he tried to sell me some swamp land!!!!

[redwitch]

red, if LSV's are allowed to travel on any road 35MPH and under why could they get a ticket for crossing Rolling Acres where the speed limit is 35MPH? gn

Because Rolling Acres is in Lady Lake and Lady Lake has banned LSV's outside of Villages' and private property. Not sure why they're allowed to cross 441/27 and not Rolling Acres but they are. Wonder if it has something to do with the fact that 441/27 is a county/state road?

Regardless, I wouldn't cross Rolling Acres in any type of a golf cart or on foot. People who drive through that mess are insane!

[chacam]

Because Rolling Acres is in Lady Lake and Lady Lake has banned LSV's outside of Villages' and private property. Not sure why they're allowed to cross 441/27 and not Rolling Acres but they are. Wonder if it has something to do with the fact that 441/27 is a county/state road?

Florida Statute 316.2122

Operation of a low-speed vehicle or mini truck on certain roadways. A low-speed vehicle or mini truck may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle or mini truck from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour.

[logdog]

Florida Statute 316.2122

Operation of a low-speed vehicle or mini truck on certain roadways. A low-speed vehicle or mini truck may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle or mini truck from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour.

The rest of that statute states:

(5) A county or municipality may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if the governing body of the county or municipality determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.

(6) The Department of Transportation may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if it determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.

So Lake County does have the right to prohibit LSVs. Besides, I don't believe that section of Rolling Acres is technically an intersection. If it was, there would be a pedestrian crossing. Regardless, there are safety concerns... even when trying to cross in a car.

[robertj1954]

I just don't buy the "can't", or "never will happen" sort of thing. I believe that enough people wanting the same thing (us) putting enough pressure on the people apparently in control (in this case the town of Lady Lake) and supported by someone very powerful (The Villages) can get anything reasonable done or changed. It may not happen overnight and certainly won't happen if we give up. Wasn't it back in early 2007 right here in The Villages that several hundred good folks got together at Buffalo Ridge and spelled out Kohls with their golf carts??? There are lots of businesses in that strip from Five-Guys to Kohls that depend on Villager's to stay in business. Let's figure out a way to let them know how much better business would be if we could get there on our golf carts!
You can't win if you don't play!!!

:agree:

Texan is correct, but timing is always the key issue on political issues. Given today's political climate on spending, this would not be the time for making it happen. But, when the economy stabalizes, job growth occurs along with tax revenues, then we can approach local government and state officals with a proposal for crossing that street via golf cart. We have some outstanding local representation at the State and Federal level who could get it done.

The project would have to be done by a control point (Traffic Light) or bridge/tunnel. Big $dollars$, but with tax incentive breaks, Green Grants, a developer could be pursuaded to make it happen. I think it would be a great move on their part and for TV.

[JenAjd]

Last week I saw a street legal (I'm presuming) cart cross 441 from Avienda going towards the "historic" side. Had to wonder "if" that was truly legal.

[EdV]

A street legal cart can legally cross 441 at any intersection. But they cannot drive on any street that has a speed limit greater than 35mph.

[boobear51751]

There is a huge safty issue that will keep golf carts from crossing in that area. The powers to be were not thinking straight when they put the entrance going into five guys. That intersection is a death waiting to happen. One someone gets killed something will be done. Traffic is extemely heavy and going in at least 7 directions within a 500 ft area. I see in the future a closing happening. As far as a tunnel, that won't and can't happen either. It was talked about at the Lady Lake town meeting and was researched. If you want information or to make suggestion you MUST go to the Lady Lake town board meetings. The Villages has nothing to do with any of it. The Villages would rather keep you in their own plaza.

[villagegolfer]

There is a huge safty issue that will keep golf carts from crossing in that area. The powers to be were not thinking straight when they put the entrance going into five guys. That intersection is a death waiting to happen. One someone gets killed something will be done. Traffic is extemely heavy and going in at least 7 directions within a 500 ft area. I see in the future a closing happening. As far as a tunnel, that won't and can't happen either. It was talked about at the Lady Lake town meeting and was researched. If you want information or to make suggestion you MUST go to the Lady Lake town board meetings. The Villages has nothing to do with any of it. The Villages would rather keep you in their own plaza.

Boy Howdy!!! We make an effort to never leave the plaza onto Rolling Acres road.

[mrfixit]

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