Costco

[rhood]

Todays Daily Sun

[Stu from NYC]

Saw that earlier today, looking forward to finally have a close Costco but traffic might be a nightmare

[tophcfa]

Todays Daily Sun

Just curious, is it mentioned anywhere in the rest of the article what the estimated opening date will be?

[asianthree]

Just curious, is it mentioned anywhere in the rest of the article what the estimated opening date will be?

Our Costcos (7) up north took 8 months from the time permits were approved. One at the time was toted as the Largest Costco was 9 months to grand opening. Then again if developer is building hopefully we can be shopping by August.

Once it hits Costco site, it’s usually 8 months to open.

[Nell57]

We were new homeowners in 2009.
Our realtor drove us past that plot of land and told us they were building a shopping center there.
Who knew it would be one mega store. ….16 years later.

[UpNorth]

Best news of the day. Or maybe the year!

[Rocksnap]

A deal has been inked by TV commercial development. Final permits were approved. The site is off Wedgwood Lane, just north of CR466 & Buffalo Glen Softball Complex, south of CR466. Progress!

[Velvet]

“Conversations took place throughout the years, whenever Renick or Jarquin would see Costco representatives at the industry conferences.

‘’’Every time we heard ‘No’ we approached it like ‘Not right now,”’ Renick said. Now proved to be the right time.” - Daily Sun

Congratulations for the absolute perseverance!

[UpNorth]

I would guess that the number of Costco members in our area arrived to the point where they saw it advantageous to build. Thankfully, it will reduce the logjams at Clermont, Wesley Chapel and Altamone Springs, which are about an hour drive away for most of us.

[Mrprez]

Too bad it won’t be more centrally located. In the extreme north with lots of traffic already.

[Bill14564]

Too bad it won’t be more centrally located. In the extreme north with lots of traffic already.

Probably chosen for available space and proximity to Ocala. Those in the south and in the east are somewhat close to Clermont already. Not much empty space in the middle. And it looks like there is nothing to the north between here and Jacksonville.

[Topspinmo]

Great more traffic in my nick of woods. You would thought they would have built it further south?

[ElDiabloJoe]

“Conversations took place throughout the years, whenever Renick or Jarquin would see Costco representatives at the industry conferences.

‘’’Every time we heard ‘No’ we approached it like ‘Not right now,”’ Renick said. Now proved to be the right time.” - Daily Sun

Congratulations for the absolute perseverance!
Yup. Now to win over Trader Joe's and The Village's will be complete!

[JoMar]

Great more traffic in my nick of woods. You would thought they would have built it further south?

Time to move south lol

[Mrprez]

I’ll never understand the attraction to Trader Joe’s. Been in several, walked out empty handed. Please explain.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Yup. Now to win over Trader Joe's and The Village's will be complete!

A “Habit” would put it over the top!

[Sandy and Ed]

Saw that earlier today, looking forward to finally have a close Costco but traffic might be a nightmare
Might?? That is an understatement. That store will draw traffic from many miles away. That road (466) is not designed to handle that much volume a big box store like that will draw. Gonna be a nightmare.

[Angelhug52]

Might?? That is an understatement. That store will draw traffic from many miles away. That road (466) is not designed to handle that much volume a big box store like that will draw. Gonna be a nightmare.
Coming from most directions it will be 301 that carries the brunt of the traffic since the location of Costco is closer to 301. But Walmart is not thrilled? It will be a stones throw from their doors. Will be interesting to see how much impact it will have on the house values of those of us who live in that area.

[gbs317]

I’ll never understand the attraction to Trader Joe’s. Been in several, walked out empty handed. Please explain.
I have also been to a Trader Joe’s and nothing thrilled me about the store except for the dehydrated sweet pineapple chunks. Maybe one down here will be better but who knows….to each his own.

[coffeebean]

Our Costcos (7) up north took 8 months from the time permits were approved. One at the time was toted as the Largest Costco was 9 months to grand opening. Then again if developer is building hopefully we can be shopping by August.

Once it hits Costco site, it’s usually 8 months to open.

Just in time for Christmas shopping 2025.

[coffeebean]

Too bad it won’t be more centrally located. In the extreme north with lots of traffic already.

I'm in Mallory Square. IMHO, Costco's new location is just PERFECT!!!!!! I'm so glad I will be close again to a Costco. Ever since I became a member 35 years ago, I've always had a Costco within ten minutes of my home with the exception of our Villages home. Now that will happen again. Hooray!!!!!!!!

[asianthree]

Coming from most directions it will be 301 that carries the brunt of the traffic since the location of Costco is closer to 301. But Walmart is not thrilled? It will be a stones throw from their doors. Will be interesting to see how much impact it will have on the house values of those of us who live in that area.

In Michigan our 7 Costco’s have a Sam’s and, Sometimes the Walmart is in the same complex as Sam’s, Costco at the other end. Parking is a crap shoot anywhere near Costco, Sam’s is not nearly as busy, but Walmart parking is few and far between. Weekends wait for parking and gas can be 20 minute wait, at Costco.

My guess is about 30-40% of TV residents were Costco shoppers in their prior life, most dedicated to driving 30-60 minutes from TV. Add the residents who have Sam’s or BJs only, who are curious to try their one day shop, and 700 parking spaces will be tight. Clermont Costco on a Wednesday @ 1pm is a zoo, with only parking far far away. As for traffic it’s a 4 lane which for us was the norm to any Costco for us, and usually in a retail plaza with homes surrounding the area.

As far as home value, did that change when, any commercial area started building at Any Village? Because before anyone bought a house you knew that property was Commercial. Wise saying in TV “Never buy a house next to a farm or empty property”

Topic since 2007 on TOTV “where to live” because you need medical facilities, groceries and shopping within minutes from doorstep. Driving more than 15 minutes is ridiculous . Never buy south of 44 because retail (golf) isn’t going to be built for 10 years.

I hoped Costco would be out of the Bubble, not so convenient to jump in the cart to grab a frozen mocha, and a chicken for dinner. At least with WAWAs it curbs my visits because I have to drive there for my Christmas Cookie smoothie.

[coffeebean]

Time to move south lol

Hell no! Love it here in the northern part with the close proximity to all the restaurants and shopping. Costco in my neck of the woods is icing on the cake.

[coffeebean]

Might?? That is an understatement. That store will draw traffic from many miles away. That road (466) is not designed to handle that much volume a big box store like that will draw. Gonna be a nightmare.

Nah.....you want to see traffic? Drive around Long Island and get on the Belt Parkway to Brooklyn. Drive on University Drive in South Florida. Now THAT'S traffic.

[Bilyclub]

Good. I guess those hay rolls will be hauled away,

[asianthree]

Good. I guess those hay rolls will be hauled away,

Probably already sold.

[merrymini]

Too much traffic up there now but probably would switch from sams to costco. Just do not buy all the bulk I use to and locating it there makes it more available to younger people who may utilize it more. Where would you out all that stuff anyway?

[airstreamingypsy]

I would guess that the number of Costco members in our area arrived to the point where they saw it advantageous to build. Thankfully, it will reduce the logjams at Clermont, Wesley Chapel and Altamone Springs, which are about an hour drive away for most of us.

It will create log jams from Ocala, Leesburg, and towns within an hour.

[Justputt]

For those of us in the South, Clarmont is only 27 mins away (38 mins if avoiding tolls, GPS est.) and the new Buffalo Plaza store will be 23 mins away (32 mins if avoiding tolls, GPS est.). Especially in snowbird season, I'm willing to bet the estimate for getting to the new store will be significantly longer.... The mostly Hwy 27 drive south will no doubt be faster than going north.

[Altavia]

Long range road planning includes expanding 466A to 4 lanes from 301 to I 75 and adding an interchange at I 75. Probably at least five years away though..

[talonip]

It’s almost quicker from some points in the villages south of 44 to go to Clermont. Sick of everything being built up north. Even the villages admin is moving to Brownwood to be closer to the center.

[Switter]

For those of us in the South, Clarmont is only 27 mins away (38 mins if avoiding tolls, GPS est.) and the new Buffalo Plaza store will be 23 mins away (32 mins if avoiding tolls, GPS est.). Especially in snowbird season, I'm willing to bet the estimate for getting to the new store will be significantly longer.... The mostly Hwy 27 drive south will no doubt be faster than going north.

I agree.I live in the far north, about a mile south of 42. It takes me about 50 minutes to get to the Claremont store and I'll bet close to half of that is just driving down 301 to get to the turnpike.

[Shadowrider]

I agree. A location on 466A would have been a better choice. The southern part of TV needs more shopping choices.

[Switter]

Might?? That is an understatement. That store will draw traffic from many miles away. That road (466) is not designed to handle that much volume a big box store like that will draw. Gonna be a nightmare.

Traffic will likely increase but I don't think it'll be a nightmare. I think for most people, Costco isn't a place that you go to multiple times a week like a Walmart or Publix. Most of the people I know go there like twice a month or something. I'm also pretty sure Costco has done traffic studies.

The biggest caveat might be the gas station, if it is significantly cheaper than the surrounding gas stations. Hopefully they put it somewhere where it doesn't impede traffic going in and out of store itself. They are usually pretty good about having multiple entrances though, so you can avoid the gas station area.

I guess we'll finally find out now!

[ElDiabloJoe]

A “Habit” would put it over the top!

Oooooooh, Habit Burger? I am a big In-N-Out fan of course, but the Habit's fries are much better than INO's!

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The biggest caveat might be the gas station, if it is significantly cheaper than the surrounding gas stations. Hopefully they put it somewhere where it doesn't impede traffic going in and out of store itself. ...

Gas is usually about a dime a gallon cheaper than surrounding areas. Significant if you fill up often or with big tanks (RVs, Trucks, etc.). However, I would say that Buc-ee's tends to beat Costco by a nickel in my casual observational experience. If you're frugal or still working and commuting, it can be significant over time. In my working life I was filling up 2x/week. Costco represented a $150/month savings. That was nearly $2000 a year! Well worth the cost of membership before I even walked in the door.

[Driller703]

Neck

[kendi]

I’ll never understand the attraction to Trader Joe’s. Been in several, walked out empty handed. Please explain.

All I can say is that I liked their little tins of dark chocolate which are no longer available.

[UpNorth]

Nice to have a Costco in an area accessible by golf carts. Maybe the first in their chain? Are there trailers available for golf carts? ;)

[MrLonzo]

Probably chosen for available space and proximity to Ocala. Those in the south and in the east are somewhat close to Clermont already. Not much empty space in the middle. And it looks like there is nothing to the north between here and Jacksonville.

I predict the next Costco (after this one) will be in Ocala. Then maybe one in Gainesville. With the Walmart super center and Sam's club, Villages North already has lots of shopping. We do need something here south of 466A at some point!!

[Ken D.]

I’ll never understand the attraction to Trader Joe’s. Been in several, walked out empty handed. Please explain.
I totally agree!

[Bill14564]

I predict the next Costco (after this one) will be in Ocala. Then maybe one in Gainesville. With the Walmart super center and Sam's club, Villages North already has lots of shopping. We do need something here south of 466A at some point!!

If you build it, they will come works in the movies but is not a great business model.

If you build it where they are, you are likely to have customers is better for business.

I don't have any idea how long Villages homes existed north of 466A before 466 began building out. Given that the large lot the Costco is getting was still vacant, it had not already been built out yet. 466A is still being developed. All of Trailwinds Village, the new Home Depot, and the upcoming Dollar Tree came about since the time I purchased near Brownwood. Once the customers were there, the businesses began filling in.

Looking at a map, I wouldn't be surprised if the area near Coleman, South of 470, or particularly where 470 meets the Turnpike isn't reserved for commercial development. But, it will be a little while, and a few thousand more homes, before that development really takes off.

[harby]

Who care? Bj s and Sam s will do. We, senior citizens don t buy bulks of food, etc. Walmart, Aldi, WD, and Px (on sale) usually cost cheaper.

[Bill14564]

Who care? Bj s and Sam s will do. We, senior citizens don t buy bulks of food, etc. Walmart, Aldi, WD, and Px (on sale) usually cost cheaper.

I buy bulk foods, etc. Does this mean I am not a senior???

[Topspinmo]

Time to move south lol

Or further north :cold:

[asianthree]

If you build it, they will come works in the movies but is not a great business model.

If you build it where they are, you are likely to have customers is better for business.

I don't have any idea how long Villages homes existed north of 466A before 466 began building out. Given that the large lot the Costco is getting was still vacant, it had not already been built out yet. 466A is still being developed. All of Trailwinds Village, the new Home Depot, and the upcoming Dollar Tree came about since the time I purchased near Brownwood. Once the customers were there, the businesses began filling in.

Looking at a map, I wouldn't be surprised if the area near Coleman, South of 470, or particularly where 470 meets the Turnpike isn't reserved for commercial development. But, it will be a little while, and a few thousand more homes, before that development really takes off.

Goldwing last video, had all of the newest properties of TV on a map. His estimate, in the next 5 years, 25,000 more homes for the next villages.

[Bill14564]

Goldwing last video, had all of the newest properties of TV on a map. His estimate, in the next 5 years, 25,000 more homes for the next villages.

Perhaps he is right. For the last 10 years the area has grown by a little more than 3,000 homes per year for all of Sumter County. Maybe that will increase to 5,000 homes per year in the Villages alone.

But either way, 15,000 homes or 25,000 homes, that ought to be enough to entice business to invest in the area south of 44.

[asianthree]

Perhaps he is right. For the last 10 years the area has grown by a little more than 3,000 homes per year for all of Sumter County. Maybe that will increase to 5,000 homes per year in the Villages alone.

But either way, 15,000 homes or 25,000 homes, that ought to be enough to entice business to invest in the area south of 44.

Our first year 2007 was in Carolina, then Pennacamp, Fernandina, Duval, then south of 44. Slower pace very little retail which makes us happy. After all my groceries have come to my front door since 2018, haven’t the need for brick and mortar for 15 years. If we want a Great restaurant, 4 minutes to the turnpike, north or south great food experience awaits. My hope is all big box stays north for a very long time.

[HORNET]

Notice that it isn’t on The Villages property!

[Bill14564]

Notice that it isn’t on The Villages property!

Not on the Villages property as of last Thursday when the Villages sold the property to Costco (according to the article). Seems like a true statement with a big asterisk.

[dewilson58]

Eggs

[Kenswing]

Notice that it isn’t on The Villages property!

It's right next to Hobby Lobby. Well within The Villages footprint and is golf cart accessible.

[kkingston57]

I predict the next Costco (after this one) will be in Ocala. Then maybe one in Gainesville. With the Walmart super center and Sam's club, Villages North already has lots of shopping. We do need something here south of 466A at some point!!

One of the biggest reasons we did buy near 466A.

[SoCalGal]

Goldwing last video, had all of the newest properties of TV on a map. His estimate, in the next 5 years, 25,000 more homes for the next villages.

Our TV realtor told us when we came for a lifestyle tour that TV developers plan to build a new development every ten years for the next 30 years.

<< Goldwing's last video >> Can you post a link for this, please? Thanks.

[Bill14564]

Our TV realtor told us when we came for a lifestyle tour that TV developers plan to build a new development every ten years for the next 30 years.

<< Goldwing's last video >> Can you post a link for this, please? Thanks.

Take that with a great grain of salt. Many heard the Villages was done at 44 and would never develop south. Things change and the info from the salespeople seems to be a guess at best.

[Altavia]

Our TV realtor told us when we came for a lifestyle tour that TV developers plan to build a new development every ten years for the next 30 years.

<< Goldwing's last video >> Can you post a link for this, please? Thanks.

Take input from Villages Sales Reps (not realtors) with a grain of salt…


https://youtu.be/Ru-CQSMXti8?si=ieUEDrY3JnL5jCGj

[Switter]

Who care? Bj s and Sam s will do. We, senior citizens don t buy bulks of food, etc. Walmart, Aldi, WD, and Px (on sale) usually cost cheaper.

It's actually not just buying bulk stuff. Costco's bakery, meat department, and return policy are second to none. And their Kirkland generic brand is excellent, by far the best generic brand I have ever bought.

I had a membership at Sam's for a year and I let it lapse after the Costco in Claremont opened. For me, I'd rather drive 50 minutes and pay toll fees to shop at Costco than shop at sam's or BJ's.

[Bogie Shooter]

Our TV realtor told us when we came for a lifestyle tour that TV developers plan to build a new development every ten years for the next 30 years.

<< Goldwing's last video >> Can you post a link for this, please? Thanks.

How did you understand what “new development “ meant?

[FloridaGuy66]

I predict the next Costco (after this one) will be in Ocala. Then maybe one in Gainesville. With the Walmart super center and Sam's club, Villages North already has lots of shopping. We do need something here south of 466A at some point!!

The average income in Ocala is far too low compared to the range where Costco opens new locations.

Gainesville already has a Sam's and barely the population to support both, not to mention that the population is very young being a college town, so probably won't happen very soon.

For context, places like Buffalo with 1.1 million metro population are more often the location for new Costco's recently. They just got their first one in the past year. Opening one in Ocala with low income and under 70k people doesn't make much sense.

[HoosierPa]

Super Walmart going in at Morse & 44

[bp243]

Yup. Now to win over Trader Joe's and The Village's will be complete!

Would love that! Any way to convince TJ to find a spot in The Villages? Have one near our place in Illinois and it’s always packed.

[mntlblok]

I’ll never understand the attraction to Trader Joe’s. Been in several, walked out empty handed. Please explain.
My only experience was stopping in and looking for snacks for our rental car loop through the middle of California - after having taken the California Zephyr from Chicago. Also walked out empty handed - and shell shocked. Still don't know if it was a TJ thing or a Berkeley thing. :-)

[UpNorth]

A year from now, the real estate agents will be listing resale properties as "easy access by cart to Costco"... ;)

[Velvet]

A year from now, the real estate agents will be listing resale properties as "easy access by cart to Costco"... ;)

Yes, now that will actually be a selling point.

[fdpaq0580]

Yup. Now to win over Trader Joe's and The Village's will be complete!

The Villages will never be complete. It's like the Blob! Ever expanding. Ever absorbing. 😵*💫🤯😯😧

[coffeebean]

Take that with a great grain of salt. Many heard the Villages was done at 44 and would never develop south. Things change and the info from the salespeople seems to be a guess at best.

True statement. When we bought in Mallory Square we were told built out would be done at 466A which would have been in two years.

[coffeebean]

My only experience was stopping in and looking for snacks for our rental car loop through the middle of California - after having taken the California Zephyr from Chicago. Also walked out empty handed - and shell shocked. Still don't know if it was a TJ thing or a Berkeley thing. :-)

What kind of snacks were you looking for? TJ has snacks galore, especially in the section with the nuts and candies and such. I've not seen a larger array of those types of snacks anywhere. Mind you, I'm not a big TJ fan and am not a cheerleader for them but I was always impressed with this offering of theirs.

[mntlblok]

What kind of snacks were you looking for? TJ has snacks galore, especially in the section with the nuts and candies and such. I've not seen a larger array of those types of snacks anywhere. Mind you, I'm not a big TJ fan and am not a cheerleader for them but I was always impressed with this offering of theirs.
Again, I don't know if it was a TJ thing or a Berkeley thing, but there were no brand name snacks nor soft drinks that I recognized. I think I'd bet that there was nothing carbonated anywhere in that store. I did find a little bag of weird little Cheetos-looking knock-offs. The bag even kind of gave the sense of being homemade. (BTW, have been relatively recently informed that Cheetos can be thought of as vacation carrots). This now takes me back a couple of decades to when I tried to buy a six pack of beer during a trip to Philly for the national 50's grass courts. Further culture shock.

[Stu from NYC]

True statement. When we bought in Mallory Square we were told built out would be done at 466A which would have been in two years.

Why should the developer stop developing? They have a great thing going.

[Bill14564]

Why should the developer stop developing? They have a great thing going.

Not the point; they will continue developing until they get tired of it.

The point was that "the realtor said the Developer said..." isn't worth much. The realtors have said numerous things about the Developer's plans that ultimately were not quite the way things worked out.

[Stu from NYC]

Not the point; they will continue developing until they get tired of it.

The point was that "the realtor said the Developer said..." isn't worth much. The realtors have said numerous things about the Developer's plans that ultimately were not quite the way things worked out.

Very often we have noticed that we know more about what is going on here than the developers sales reps. They seem to tell their reps only what they want them to know.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Costco announced a new Costco. In Stuart, FL about halfway between Palm and Vero Beaches. Another month or two (maybe three?) and ours will be listed on the site also. They list them when they are about 4 months away from opening.

https://www.costco.com/new-locations.html

[asianthree]

Take that with a great grain of salt. Many heard the Villages was done at 44 and would never develop south. Things change and the info from the salespeople seems to be a guess at best.

True statement. When we bought in Mallory Square we were told built out would be done at 466A which would have been in two years.

2007 LSL was just taking shape while we were here.. returning In 2008 houses were sold in minutes because there would be no more houses built.

[fdpaq0580]

2007 LSL was just taking shape while we were here.. returning In 2008 houses were sold in minutes because there would be no more houses built.

Just a sales gimmick (lie). Like ads on TV that say, "get yours before they are all gone". They are trying to pressure the buyer. And it works very well.

[asianthree]

Just a sales gimmick (lie). Like ads on TV that say, "get yours before they are all gone". They are trying to pressure the buyer. And it works very well.


Actually it was only working for the houses that were near completion or built. There were only so many then it was done. Since it was such a frenzy some homes had 30 plus people per house on the list. That was before the computer lottery in use today. Most of the homes were PVs, and many chose to not buy, end of 2007 early 2008. Plus homes were $20,000 higher than those who waited for the same house 6-8 months later.
By the end of 08, houses were in abundance and discounted homes were everywhere. So nope didn’t really work as well as thought.

[JoMar]

Not the point; they will continue developing until they get tired of it.

The point was that "the realtor said the Developer said..." isn't worth much. The realtors have said numerous things about the Developer's plans that ultimately were not quite the way things worked out.

There is a back story on why the the stop at 44 didn't happen. Has to do with Wildwoods change of position and the original developer for Fenney. Not as simple as many try to make it but the narrative is always easier when you blame our developer.

[Bill14564]

There is a back story on why the the stop at 44 didn't happen. Has to do with Wildwoods change of position and the original developer for Fenney. Not as simple as many try to make it but the narrative is always easier when you blame our developer.

What backstory, the Fenney development that was not going to be part of the Villages until the second developer backed out? Wildwood being reluctant to approve more Villages development and then changing their minds?

How does that change the point that what one hears from the sales agents quite often does not come to pass?

No "blame" for the developer doing what developers do.

[JoelJohnson]

We visited a COSTCO while up in MA. I was not impressed. Mostly the same things (and prices) as Sam's Club. Yes, you will be able to get to COSTCO by golf cart, but that's about it. I know people love it, and that's OK. We also went into a Buc-ees on the same trip for the first time. Not a place I would bother with again, but, like COSTCO, people love it.

[Number 10 GI]

Retal businesses want to be in a location that has high traffic flow. No smart businessman is going to build a retail facility on the outer edge of a town on a dead end street that no one knows where it is. A lot of people going out for a meal might see the Costco store and decide to stop in to get a few items. If it was on that dead end street on the outer edge of town, they wouldn't think about taking the time to drive there. Visibility! If you aren't seen, you don't get as much business. The Costco in Clermont is located on a busy main street among a lot of other businesses.

[Stu from NYC]

We visited a COSTCO while up in MA. I was not impressed. Mostly the same things (and prices) as Sam's Club. Yes, you will be able to get to COSTCO by golf cart, but that's about it. I know people love it, and that's OK. We also went into a Buc-ees on the same trip for the first time. Not a place I would bother with again, but, like COSTCO, people love it.

How does someone not be impressed with Bucc ees?

[JMintzer]

Actually it was only working for the houses that were near completion or built. There were only so many then it was done. Since it was such a frenzy some homes had 30 plus people per house on the list. That was before the computer lottery in use today. Most of the homes were PVs, and many chose to not buy, end of 2007 early 2008. Plus homes were $20,000 higher than those who waited for the same house 6-8 months later.
By the end of 08, houses were in abundance and discounted homes were everywhere. So nope didn’t really work as well as thought.

In '08, the real estate market tanked nation wide, not just in TV...

[JMintzer]

How does someone not be impressed with Bucc ees?

I know! It's an enigma, wrapped in a conundrum...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsImFkLdE4A

[asianthree]

How does someone not be impressed with Bucc ees?

I don’t understand either. Someone who spent less than 5 minutes? Thanks to the perfectly spaced out buccee’s we can leave TV, get our gas and snacks all the way to our northern home. Win win

[rustyp]

We visited a COSTCO while up in MA. I was not impressed. Mostly the same things (and prices) as Sam's Club. Yes, you will be able to get to COSTCO by golf cart, but that's about it. I know people love it, and that's OK. We also went into a Buc-ees on the same trip for the first time. Not a place I would bother with again, but, like COSTCO, people love it.

How does someone not be impressed with Bucc ees?

Did you go into the restrooms?

[JoMar]

What backstory, the Fenney development that was not going to be part of the Villages until the second developer backed out? Wildwood being reluctant to approve more Villages development and then changing their minds?

How does that change the point that what one hears from the sales agents quite often does not come to pass?

No "blame" for the developer doing what developers do.

There is no large business that gives their sales people information before the right time. They didn't share with the construction teams either. In most cases until the sales agents are given the new strategy they will continue to use the tools they have...and which will be perceived as sharing information that does not come to pass.
Wildwood was fearful that approving Villages expansion would change their political makeup and no longer have locals run for and occupy offices. They weighed that possibility against the increased revenue.....the revenue finally won though they are now trying to play catch up and non locals are running for office....so far not successfully but that will change.

Since the sales agents work for the Developer the posters are blaming the Developer. And I agree, Developers do what Developers do, ours just does it better than most.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Did you go into the restrooms?
Hard to tap your toe in a Buc-ee's restroom, the walls go down to the floor.

[Stu from NYC]

Did you go into the restrooms?

Very often on our travels and always very clean